Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.
Speaker 2: But you're a guest in my home.
Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no guests,
Speaker 1: you're presences presents enough and I already had too much stuff.
Speaker 3: So how did you dare to surbey me?
Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. You're here,
Speaker 2: I'm here, We're in the backyard. Had a full morning.
Speaker 2: I went to the coffee shop. They gave me a
Speaker 2: sam of a lemon bar mystery flavor. I guess the
Speaker 2: flavor wrong. I went to Target. Some children laughed at me,
Speaker 2: And here we are. I'm very, very excited about today's guest,
Speaker 2: so let's just get into it. It's Liz Stokes from
Speaker 2: the Baths. Liz. Welcome to. I said, no gifts, Thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you for having me. You've been doing show is
Speaker 2: basically non stop since Thursday.
Speaker 3: Tonight we'll be our seventh seventh in a row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what were the three prior to Thursday?
Speaker 3: We played three shows at the Greek Theater up in Berkeley.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is I'm supporting death cab for CUTI
Speaker 3: in the postal service.
Speaker 2: Right, and one of these Was it Friday that you
Speaker 2: were doing that show with the Hollywood Ball?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, was that your first time playing there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What was that experience?
Speaker 3: It's wild, Like I had been to one show there
Speaker 3: and back in twenty nineteen I saw I saw diskcap there. Oh,
Speaker 3: so it was it's wild, like it's it's such an
Speaker 3: amazing structure, and yeah, I don't know, it's I think
Speaker 3: one of the fun things about being a musician is
Speaker 3: being able to go like into the back rooms of
Speaker 3: all these like kind of crazy places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on in the back rooms of the
Speaker 2: Hollywood Ball.
Speaker 3: Like it's pretty classic like backroom venue, Like there's just
Speaker 3: dressing rooms. It's just kind of a big car park
Speaker 3: out there, I guess because it's it's mainly like you know,
Speaker 3: it's an outdoor bowl, right right, So watching the pack
Speaker 3: out is always very exciting at these menus of all
Speaker 3: the lights and production and stuff and how it's like
Speaker 3: this ballet of all the lighting people and everything getting
Speaker 3: everything off stage and rolling it into these trucks, you know,
Speaker 3: and they do it all in like an hour, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a circus. That's crazy. As an opening band,
Speaker 2: is it scary? I feel like that would be horrifying.
Speaker 3: It's always scary going in because like being an opening
Speaker 3: band on like a big tour is like you are
Speaker 3: the bottom of the hierarchy. You are. I think I
Speaker 3: always go in and this is probably also just my
Speaker 3: own like anxiety is talking. It's like you feel like
Speaker 3: you go in and you're like cool, I have low expectations.
Speaker 3: I'm we're going to make ourselves kind of like small,
Speaker 3: try and have a really good time, you know, and
Speaker 3: like try and have some nice chats with people and stuff.
Speaker 3: But we've been lucky in the supporter tos that we've
Speaker 3: done where the both the crew who you interact with
Speaker 3: the most and the bands have been super lovely.
Speaker 2: No one's been horrible to you.
Speaker 3: No, No, they've like treated us like people and like
Speaker 3: peers actually, which is like very very generous.
Speaker 2: Have you had past experiences where you were not treated
Speaker 2: like a human?
Speaker 3: Um? I think so. Like it's because we've done a
Speaker 3: lot of support tours in New Zealand, because when bands
Speaker 3: come to New Zealand, like big bands, they don't they
Speaker 3: don't usually bring someone with them because it's so far away.
Speaker 3: So we've like managed to kind of snag some good ones.
Speaker 3: But generally the bands that we've played with are pretty
Speaker 3: nice or like the alternative is that you just don't
Speaker 3: interact them at all.
Speaker 2: So oh interesting, it's just so cold. Yeah, please explain
Speaker 2: to me how long it takes to get from New
Speaker 2: Zealand to the United States. This is the one big
Speaker 2: thing for me that's keeping me back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you don't like flying, it's there's not really
Speaker 3: another way to fly, say, from Auckland to the to
Speaker 3: the West Coast, it's like twelve or thirteen hours if
Speaker 3: you go direct. If you don't go direct, so I
Speaker 3: don't know, sometimes you'll fly via like whole WI or
Speaker 3: like Australia or something. Right, but if you yeah, on
Speaker 3: this run, we this is o last show in LA
Speaker 3: and then we're going to fly over to New York
Speaker 3: to do four shows over there, and then we will
Speaker 3: fly home on this like kind of quite new flight
Speaker 3: that and New Zealand's got which is New York to Auckland,
Speaker 3: which is I think about seventeen hours and forty minutes
Speaker 3: or something like that, just like one flight.
Speaker 2: Oh, how are you as a flyer?
Speaker 3: I'm not like a nervous flyer. I just hate it,
Speaker 3: like it's yeah, So it's just I feel like you
Speaker 3: just have to like forget that you're a person for
Speaker 3: a while and kind of like go into your little
Speaker 3: economy seat and take whatever drugs you can legally get
Speaker 3: on the plane.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, I honestly, if they had like anesthesia at
Speaker 2: the that should be an option at the beginning of
Speaker 2: a flight for they just put you out completely.
Speaker 3: Just general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels like a very doable thing for airlines.
Speaker 2: Just everyone completely blacked out. Yeah, and then you wake
Speaker 2: up at your destination.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they still play you like a few movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have movies going in case you come out of
Speaker 2: a tour in case, Yeah, what are you doing to
Speaker 2: entertain yourself on a flight?
Speaker 3: I usually watch a movie, Okay, Like I find like
Speaker 3: a I don't know what's what's like a good plane movie.
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I feel like.
Speaker 2: A good plane movie is like a good like middle
Speaker 2: of the road movie that has kind of an emotional element,
Speaker 2: because I believe you actually are more emotional in the
Speaker 2: air for some reason, like your body is weak. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you'll I've cried at movies on planes that are
Speaker 2: not great movies. But I think you're just in the
Speaker 2: perfect place to be manipulated on a plane.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's so, that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what did you watch on the way before
Speaker 2: your tour? Do you remember?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the New Spider Verse movie. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: Yeah it was cool.
Speaker 2: And were you Did you feel emotional during it?
Speaker 3: I didn't, but like I'm I'm a bit medicated at
Speaker 3: the moment, so I'm not feel like super emotional all
Speaker 3: the time. Otherwise I think I'd be crying constantly during
Speaker 3: the during this tour. But and I guess on planes.
Speaker 3: But I really liked it. I thought the the beautiful really.
Speaker 2: Really really interesting popping out. How long have you been
Speaker 2: on tour for this tour?
Speaker 3: This run? We're about what three weeks? And I guess
Speaker 3: it's just just over. This is a this is a
Speaker 3: short run for us. We'll be home in under a month,
Speaker 3: as in the whole things under a month.
Speaker 2: And how many shows total?
Speaker 3: Is that? Oh? Good question? Let me quickly cut them
Speaker 3: in my head.
Speaker 2: I'm going to try to estimate it.
Speaker 3: Then you reveal, I don't know, like seventeen twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: maybe that's a lot of that we've ticked over. Our
Speaker 3: hundredth show, of the year. I think, oh my god,
Speaker 3: on this run, I can't remember which one it was.
Speaker 2: But have any cities been highlights for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Seattle shows with Death Gad, we're
Speaker 3: pretty we're pretty awesome. Like them playing this like twenty
Speaker 3: year anniversary of two of their records. Sorry, we're in
Speaker 3: one postal service record. And it's just like them playing
Speaker 3: like two full arena sized shows. I don't think I've
Speaker 3: played like an arena like that big. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of people in an indoor space. Yes, over the top
Speaker 3: of like the hockey ice was out, so they just
Speaker 3: like they cover it with like kind of like foam
Speaker 3: to keep it, to keep it icy.
Speaker 2: I feel like keeping the ice there is not a
Speaker 2: bad idea. Ice skatering out's probably a hassle, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would be wonderful. Actually, I feel like Frank Ocean
Speaker 2: tried that at Coachella and there was a giant problem.
Speaker 2: I feel like he had like ice on the stage
Speaker 2: and trained like ice skaters.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Can't maybe they couldn't keep the ice cold or now
Speaker 2: I'm now I'm just making things up because I don't
Speaker 2: know the rest of the story. But it was a
Speaker 2: giant disaster. Oh, but somebody's got to pull that off
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 3: Hanging out. Yeah, having ice on stage sounds great if
Speaker 3: you don't have to step on any guitar peddles or
Speaker 3: move if you're not one of the ice skaters.
Speaker 2: Stepping on a guitar pedal in an ice skate, Yeah,
Speaker 2: skating experience.
Speaker 3: It's a great way to slice it in half.
Speaker 2: You guys put on like a show show you have
Speaker 2: a giant fish on the stage. Who was responsible for
Speaker 2: the giant fish?
Speaker 3: So Lily Paris West. She did all the design for
Speaker 3: our album and when I like sent her an early
Speaker 3: vision of the album, and I was like, because I'm not,
Speaker 3: I don't this is stupid. I don't really consider like
Speaker 3: I don't have much of like a visual like you.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, I feel like when it comes
Speaker 3: to artwork and stuff like that, I tend to like
Speaker 3: try and work with people that are really like what
Speaker 3: they do because I feel like I don't know what
Speaker 3: I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Good for you relinquishing control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love relinquishing control. But it's amazing. And she's
Speaker 3: done lots of lots of records and much more like
Speaker 3: fashion stuff, and so she just like sent us like
Speaker 3: a bunch of like mockups of like potential album cover
Speaker 3: of things, and one of them just had this really
Speaker 3: sad fish and it just I don't know stuff with
Speaker 3: faces like, I just can't. It's I find very hard
Speaker 3: to not have an album cover with a face on
Speaker 3: it because it's so all like a human element something
Speaker 3: to connect to. Yeah, it just looks so they just
Speaker 3: look so sad fish. And so we were getting ready
Speaker 3: for this tour at the start of the year, I'm like,
Speaker 3: we should have something on stage because just to kind
Speaker 3: of like bring people into into into the world of
Speaker 3: whatever you're doing. And and a giant inflatable fish seemed
Speaker 3: like just the thing.
Speaker 2: Is it made out of like balloon material? What's happening there?
Speaker 3: It's like fabric, but it's like it operates kind of
Speaker 3: like a bouncy house, Like it's got a fan that
Speaker 3: keeps going through the whole time, or it will or
Speaker 3: it will. It's not like fully air tight, which I
Speaker 3: feel it would be. If it depended on being one
Speaker 3: hundred percent air tight, it would be a disaster at.
Speaker 2: Some point or something would happen. When was the last
Speaker 2: time you were in a bouncy house.
Speaker 3: Oh man, too long, it's been It's been years for sure.
Speaker 3: What was last same you're in a bounty house.
Speaker 2: That was an unfair question to ask you because I
Speaker 2: can't remember. I'm going to assume it's probably been decades.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine the last I mean a scenario that
Speaker 2: I would have been in a bouncy house. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: probably as a kid, but my mom wouldn't allow us
Speaker 2: into them because there was some news story where a
Speaker 2: kid was in one and it flew away.
Speaker 3: That really happened, right, and happened like it's terrified, no joke.
Speaker 3: Does psa strap down your bouncy house?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that must be legally required at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it makes sense tied down.
Speaker 2: To watch someone just be carried away in one of
Speaker 2: those Yeah, agony of watching your child just fly away
Speaker 2: in a bouncy and it's like nothing to grab onto
Speaker 2: you just fallah the inside, there's no grip or anything,
Speaker 2: so you're.
Speaker 3: Just Yeah, I think what I remember about bouncy houses.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that this has come up, because.
Speaker 2: Well, this was I wanted to ask it first, but
Speaker 2: I thought, well, warm up, then I'll get into bouncy,
Speaker 2: the real.
Speaker 3: The real shit. I just I don't remember being that
Speaker 3: them being that bouncy. I mainly remember them being slippery
Speaker 3: and kind of like a fun place to fall down.
Speaker 2: You're a bouncy house snob. Yeah, you don't have me.
Speaker 2: Did you like a trampoline?
Speaker 3: I much prefer a trampoline. Okay, And the old style ones, Wait,
Speaker 3: you're much closer to death.
Speaker 2: What are the are The new ones have like that
Speaker 2: cage around them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the springs are like not at the side,
Speaker 3: the springs are like underneath so that you can't put
Speaker 3: your leg.
Speaker 2: Through those springs.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Were death traps, Oh, death traps? Yeah, they were like metal.
Speaker 2: They had hooks on them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've gone flying off a trampoline and landed on like,
Speaker 3: oh my head and been alive somehow as a child.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That was another thing that I had to kind
Speaker 2: of sneak as a kid because my mom was just
Speaker 2: paranoid about every injury. So it was often like I
Speaker 2: went to a friend's house and then didn't reveal that
Speaker 2: I was on the trampoline, and then they started putting
Speaker 2: them in the ground. Yeah, like that was fittis inherently dangerous.
Speaker 3: Thing.
Speaker 2: Just don't buy one.
Speaker 3: Just like I don't know. Kids they got to jump.
Speaker 3: They got to jump, and if you don't give them
Speaker 3: the opportunity to jump at home, they'll got I was
Speaker 3: to jump when.
Speaker 2: Don't see them jumping at home?
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you rather they do it in the house?
Speaker 2: That and drugs just have them doing it at home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that we're talking about jumping, I really feel
Speaker 2: like bouncing. I feel like there's probably more bouncing I
Speaker 2: want to do than I actually get to do.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why there's on these adult jumping that.
Speaker 3: There's probably a better name than for them than jump
Speaker 3: house adult trampoline emporiums.
Speaker 2: Oh like the warehouses with the trampolines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't. There's one in Auckland called m Nope,
Speaker 3: I can't remember. I'm gonna call it jump house, but it's.
Speaker 2: Well, you should start one. It's your jump house.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they make it safer, but they look like
Speaker 3: they're serious trampolines, like with with good bounce. Oh, they
Speaker 3: really get you to the ceiling. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like New Zealand loves to jump and bounce
Speaker 2: because isn't bungee jumping. It's like a national pastime.
Speaker 3: It kind of I guess it kind of is like
Speaker 3: it's I don't want to say it was invented there
Speaker 3: because I think it was probably just co opted by
Speaker 3: from like like some kind of indigenous culture, but it's
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I guess A. J. Hackett's like the New
Speaker 3: Zealand guy who like jumps off stuff just anything popularized it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he likes. He's like bungee jumping the business now and
Speaker 3: like owns all the all the jumping off points.
Speaker 2: And do you I know you bungee jump in a video?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Had you been bungee jumping prior to that?
Speaker 3: I had bungee jumped when I was like thirteen or something,
Speaker 3: because I guess it's New Zealand. It was like, oh,
Speaker 3: we're going on a family holiday to Lake Top or
Speaker 3: should we should we bungee jump? And it was I
Speaker 3: went by myself and then my older sister and younger
Speaker 3: sister went like tandem like you know, like uh koala
Speaker 3: on the back kind of vibes and it's this, this
Speaker 3: is so great. It's like it was one of those
Speaker 3: ones where you're going over water, so you bounce and
Speaker 3: they like wigh you to figure out how tense to
Speaker 3: make the string, to make it so you can touch
Speaker 3: the water but not oh my die. And so I
Speaker 3: did that and then like when in the they kind
Speaker 3: of like lower you down into this boat. Someone's at
Speaker 3: the bottom and you grab they hold up a kind
Speaker 3: of a stick and you kind of like grab the
Speaker 3: stick so they can guide you into the boat. And
Speaker 3: my older sister and young sister, two people I guess
Speaker 3: just said a bit more weight than they I guess anticipated,
Speaker 3: and so they're still bouncing and the person is down
Speaker 3: in the boat like holding up the stick, and they
Speaker 3: grabbed the stick and they just pull them out of
Speaker 3: the boat and it's like freezing. Like middle went to
Speaker 3: like you know, New Zealand, beautiful scenic river, but he
Speaker 3: had to get like kind of saved and then he
Speaker 3: had to go home because he was very cold.
Speaker 2: This feels like your parents were just trying to get
Speaker 2: rid of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they didn't jump suspiciously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you've only been maybe twice then.
Speaker 3: I yeah, yeah, And like as a kid, I was
Speaker 3: like really scared, but like afterwards I think I was like,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, this is this was a thrilling. And then
Speaker 3: we made a music video and we had like a
Speaker 3: different plan for a music video, but then the director
Speaker 3: got COVID of course the day before the shoot, and
Speaker 3: so we just were like, okay, we have this shoot day.
Speaker 3: We're leaving on tour in a week. We need to
Speaker 3: make our music video for the song. And we caught
Speaker 3: our friends Callum and Annabel from Sports Team, who just
Speaker 3: makes a lot of videos for us, and I just
Speaker 3: like all about these crazy beautiful ideas and I was like,
Speaker 3: here are some suggestions, and one of them was just
Speaker 3: the best go bungee jumping. There's no other concept beyond that.
Speaker 3: And they were like, okay, let's do it, and we
Speaker 3: boochered end and we like we jumped like the next day,
Speaker 3: and they came up with this whole storyline and.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that's incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was all hypothetical at first, and until
Speaker 3: you're actually like walking out and looking over the edge
Speaker 3: and your brain is like I know that this, I
Speaker 3: chose this, and that this is safe, safe in quotation marks,
Speaker 3: and then your body is just like absolutely not. I
Speaker 3: don't believe that for a second. I am going to
Speaker 3: die and here we go, let's here we go, We're
Speaker 3: gonna die.
Speaker 2: And then do they push you. You're responsible for making
Speaker 2: the final move.
Speaker 3: They never push you.
Speaker 2: I don't think that. Like, and I think I've probably
Speaker 2: talked about on this podcast before as far as skydiving,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's some primal thing in me that
Speaker 2: would overtake and refuse.
Speaker 3: That's the thing I think that's hard to overcome. Right,
Speaker 3: Do you have to honestly like jump off or fall
Speaker 3: like there's no other way around, otherwise you just won't
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like I would get to the
Speaker 2: point of like convincing my body, but not enough where
Speaker 2: it would just become dangerous and then I would injure myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like with skydiving, I would like attack
Speaker 2: the person that's responsible for me, and then we'd get
Speaker 2: caught in the propellers or something. And then in the
Speaker 2: bungee jumping, I would like half jump and then I
Speaker 2: would like slam against the side. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: that I'm capable.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's kind of what me and Tristan did,
Speaker 3: because they tell you, like if you fall nice and
Speaker 3: strong and you fall like straight down with your head
Speaker 3: facing down, you like bounce, you know, with the rope
Speaker 3: and be fine, but if you kind of like let
Speaker 3: your body fall off, like me interested that you kind
Speaker 3: of you're going down like horizontal, and then at the
Speaker 3: bottom when the rope kind of like reaches its its
Speaker 3: tenshile end, you kind of like snap down. And I like,
Speaker 3: I think it's not talked enough about. I was googling
Speaker 3: for days. I was like, what's wrong with me? I
Speaker 3: think it's there's a little you get a little bit
Speaker 3: of whiplash from bunge jump or bunch of jumping.
Speaker 2: That is mortifying to me. Yeah, there needs to be
Speaker 2: more stories out there that things can happen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: sort are there any like what are the really bad
Speaker 2: things that have happened during bungee jumping? Do rope snap?
Speaker 2: Do these sort of things happen?
Speaker 3: I looked it up before, because of course of course
Speaker 3: I did. I was like, you know, like there's a
Speaker 3: bunch jumping staffe, like what are the dangers of it?
Speaker 3: And yeah, it does. The dangerous stuff happens when people
Speaker 3: are like, it's not what it's like businesses jumping off
Speaker 3: of a forty meter bridge. It's like it's like people
Speaker 3: doing I don't know what to call it, like gerrilla
Speaker 3: bunch jumping, like the og where you're just like you
Speaker 3: tie the rope at the top and you jump.
Speaker 2: Right like amateurs just showing up at a bridge or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that feels like, of course you're going to die.
Speaker 3: It feels that way, But I guess they didn't think.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I need a company that I that at
Speaker 2: least my family can sue afterwards. Oh it's not me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not letting a friend time me up for bunch
Speaker 2: you jumping. No, it's that that I should look into
Speaker 2: the horror stories. And recently I've looked into Lasik eye
Speaker 2: surgery because everyone raves and goes crazy about it. You
Speaker 2: have to do it. I don't think I'm going to
Speaker 2: do it. Do you wear contacts or anything?
Speaker 3: I don't. But I have watched a LASiS surgery because
Speaker 3: my partner had it.
Speaker 2: You watched it live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like a viewing room and they have like
Speaker 3: a big TV that is like what the thing is
Speaker 3: looking at and I just like watched, I got it.
Speaker 3: I filmed it because I was like, yeah, you have
Speaker 3: to watch your ie being like destroyed.
Speaker 2: Good. How was the experience for you?
Speaker 3: It was kind of fun, Like I'm not too squamish
Speaker 3: about eye stuff. Some people really don't like it, I know.
Speaker 3: But there's like two kinds of laser, one where you
Speaker 3: like kind of peel back the top layer of the
Speaker 3: eye and the blast it with the laser, and the
Speaker 3: other one where which Jonathan had to get because his
Speaker 3: his brow ridge was a little bit too pronounced so
Speaker 3: that they couldn't get the machine down, so they had
Speaker 3: to like instead like just grind down that top layer,
Speaker 3: and so it takes a little bit longer to hell,
Speaker 3: normally takes like a heels in a day and you'd
Speaker 3: be kind of pretty good. So his one took us
Speaker 3: slightly longer. But it's a bit that's but the one
Speaker 3: that pilots getting stuff because it's like a bit safer
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 2: Oh so there is a safer option.
Speaker 3: Well, it just I guess it's just like less risk
Speaker 3: or something, well safer, that's you. Well, yes, that is
Speaker 3: exactly the same, meaning, yeah, are you going to are
Speaker 3: you thinking about getting it?
Speaker 2: Well? No, because I mean now I'm finding like no
Speaker 2: one told me there was a mildly less risky option,
Speaker 2: So people were telling me it's great and just sending
Speaker 2: me in with no their tips.
Speaker 3: Ah, I think. I don't know, it feels like this.
Speaker 3: It's weather right, Like, I don't know. How bad is
Speaker 3: your eyesight?
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad. Oh yeah, but we're in contact, isn't that.
Speaker 2: I mean, starting around eleven o'clock every night, my eyes
Speaker 2: are completely dry and that's a pain. But other than that,
Speaker 2: it's better than having my eyes poked out by lasers.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's very fun, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've hash hashtag places I've I've got good vision, thus fine.
Speaker 3: And the thing is that, you know, I take for
Speaker 3: granted talking to it my glass friends.
Speaker 2: People with good vision. I mean, I just I've had
Speaker 2: bad vision since like eighth grade. I just went out
Speaker 2: on me immediately.
Speaker 3: Do you go out into the ocean? Do you like
Speaker 3: swimming at the beach?
Speaker 2: Oh? This is something I'm kind of debating with myself currently.
Speaker 2: Do I like the beach? Do I like the ocean?
Speaker 2: It's up in the air for me, I need to
Speaker 2: go a couple more times. I think I like the ocean.
Speaker 2: I like the beach. I don't like the drive back,
Speaker 2: And that was excruciating.
Speaker 3: What about it?
Speaker 2: You're like salt water's drying you out, You've got sand
Speaker 2: all over your body. You're tired. The sun has been
Speaker 2: beating down on you all day. I am clearly not
Speaker 2: prepared for sun in any form. You've swallowed some amount
Speaker 2: of salt water, so that part of it's not ideal.
Speaker 2: But kind of getting pushed about by the waves, that's
Speaker 2: very fun.
Speaker 3: It's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you like doing it the beach?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I Like I didn't growing up like in New Zealand,
Speaker 3: like everything is water, Like everything's surrounded by water. Oakland
Speaker 3: is an isthmus, it's like more water than land. And
Speaker 3: the rag break bread it's like yeah, yeah, bramer bread, Hey,
Speaker 3: this is a this is a beach straight then it's
Speaker 3: just a mere hour drive, but yeah, it's I didn't like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: when you grow up with it and you're like and
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't like the beach. I didn't
Speaker 3: get it, and I think I don't. I don't think
Speaker 3: I got it until I was about twenty four and
Speaker 3: I had my first like a big breakup, and I
Speaker 3: started just like going to the beach every day and
Speaker 3: like swimming at night, and just like there was something
Speaker 3: about it that was just like I don't know, it
Speaker 3: just it flipped a switch for me. Somehow, and suddenly
Speaker 3: I was like, I like the beach.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a great place for dramatic moments of your life,
Speaker 2: I would say, I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just it's like it's so vast and like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, just like completely engulfing yourself in this
Speaker 3: like big giant thing. Were you fair really helpless? Maybe
Speaker 3: that's just just was just the ticket.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of this wet void. You can kind
Speaker 2: of just release things too, The wet void, The wet void.
Speaker 2: That's a that's the title for something. I don't know
Speaker 2: what exactly. Yeah, maybe my problem is I need to
Speaker 2: go to the beach at night. Maybe I had be
Speaker 2: a nocturnal beacher.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that is the beach. If it's like
Speaker 3: a nice calm beach, I guess. I like, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the reason that you disappear, but.
Speaker 2: We need someone to blame when I finally disappear. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think up the publicity for you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's through the relief. Yeah, let me suggest
Speaker 3: this beach with really big waves.
Speaker 2: And you don't need any safety, don't go alone. Yep,
Speaker 2: I'm into this. I'm into this. I wouldn't mind, like
Speaker 2: a bonfire by the beach, and then it would probably
Speaker 2: be cold. The Pacific's very cold.
Speaker 3: We have the Pacific two, but it's right on the
Speaker 3: other side.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's probably cold over there as well. I
Speaker 2: assume it's pretty chilly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. It's not like a I've swum at
Speaker 3: the Mediterranean. I was very confused. I was like, it's
Speaker 3: so warm. I don't know, it just it's suspicious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that's the sort of thing where it's just like,
Speaker 2: where is the what's the source of warmth in any water?
Speaker 2: Unless it's really hot, you're like something gross might be making.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like a little bit gross.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly where were you swimming in the Mediterranean.
Speaker 3: It was in Spain on the east coast, which is
Speaker 3: where we've spent a little bit of time sometimes when
Speaker 3: we've been on tours, like even just like super budget once,
Speaker 3: because flying home to New Zealand, like I say, we
Speaker 3: have like of six weeks or a month between tours
Speaker 3: in the Northern Hemisphere is very expensive. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And we've managed to find a spot in Spain where
Speaker 3: we can find like a little place to stay. That's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, two hundred and fifty year is like
Speaker 3: the whole time.
Speaker 2: Reveal that to me off podcast, you're going to go there?
Speaker 2: That sounds wonderful.
Speaker 3: It's pretty great. And I get to practice my Spanish,
Speaker 3: which I lunched high school and then never used because
Speaker 3: you don't really use it in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned French, or I mean learned, you know.
Speaker 2: I can say my name, I mean tell you what
Speaker 2: my name is, and maybe ask what for the menu
Speaker 2: when I can say the beach. But these are all
Speaker 2: things I absolutely have no use for. You took Spanish, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: nowhere near Spain. Yeah, nowhere near Spanish speaking country in.
Speaker 3: South America either. I'm closest to South America, not close
Speaker 3: across the Pacific. Again. But yeah, I don't know why
Speaker 3: I liked the language.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a good language. They're all pretty good.
Speaker 2: I suppose is there a best language. I don't know
Speaker 2: that there is. Everybody's got their feelings. Yeah, I probably
Speaker 2: whatever one, everyone, whatever one you speak.
Speaker 3: Really, I'm real learning Bahasa Indonesian because it's that's where
Speaker 3: my mum's from and it's born so like have Donesian,
Speaker 3: but like grew up in New Zealands are very like
Speaker 3: New Zealand ized, I guess. But we're going on like
Speaker 3: a family trip soon for the first time in a
Speaker 3: long long time, and so I was like, well, I
Speaker 3: want to carry my weight. I'm kind of like getting
Speaker 3: Bahasa lessens. That's a that's a fun language to learn,
Speaker 3: an interesting language that's like kind of simple. But because
Speaker 3: it's simple, it's probably just got all these layers that
Speaker 3: you you you kind of like of context that you
Speaker 3: can't see, right. It's like no tenses, so everything is
Speaker 3: just like there's no past, tense, future, chance, whatever. Everything's
Speaker 3: just pretty simple. There's like like you barely conjugate anything.
Speaker 3: Everything's like very uh, I don't know straight ahead you can.
Speaker 2: The words basic elements of like yeah.
Speaker 3: But because of that, I think, yeah, there's all these
Speaker 3: it's maybe easy to learn to a simple level, but
Speaker 3: then like much more difficult to kind of write.
Speaker 2: Can you say the sentence like my name is Liz.
Speaker 2: Let's still practicing.
Speaker 3: Oh no, uh sayah number Lizzy. Like I didn't even
Speaker 3: know how to say that, right, But I think the
Speaker 3: thing is in casual Indonesia, it's it's so I love
Speaker 3: how context based it is, like You don't say, like,
Speaker 3: my name is Lizzly. You just be like name Lizzie,
Speaker 3: like or like like you wouldn't even say that, You
Speaker 3: just be like Lizzy.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, you know, good for them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we say a lot in English.
Speaker 2: What cities you're going to visit while you're there.
Speaker 3: I'm going to visit Manado, which is where my mum's
Speaker 3: family's from and where my mum's mum is married. So
Speaker 3: she wants us to go there, and then some and
Speaker 3: Bali as well.
Speaker 2: What we have family too, wonderful. I've been to Malaysia,
Speaker 2: which I feel like is as close as all properly
Speaker 2: because of that flight ever get to Indonesia?
Speaker 3: That was that must have been cool though? How is it?
Speaker 2: Uh? It was? I was on a Mormon mission. I'm
Speaker 2: ex Mormon. Wow, And so it was a beautiful place
Speaker 2: and wonderful food and lovely people, but a not good experience.
Speaker 2: It's pretty negative experience overall, but I would recommend it
Speaker 2: as a vacation.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: The food's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Did it did you? Did it work?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What did it work?
Speaker 3: Did it? Did I assume missions there about converting.
Speaker 2: About converting other people? Yeah? Somebody asked me that recently,
Speaker 2: and I don't know that I personally. I hope I didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I wasn't there for the full time. I
Speaker 2: had a meltdown and went back home because what I've
Speaker 2: just said. But I hope in that time I didn't
Speaker 2: convert anybody. Okay, but who knows. It's in my distant past.
Speaker 2: We're just moving forward, and I apologize to anybody's life
Speaker 2: who I've thrown off course. Hopefully that reach out to
Speaker 2: the podcast. I hope they're listening well, I mean, speaking
Speaker 2: of throwing people's lives off course. I was very excited
Speaker 2: to have you today on the podcast. I was thrilled.
Speaker 2: I love your band. I saw you Thursday night. It
Speaker 2: was so wonderful. It felt kind of creepy seeing you live.
Speaker 2: Knowing I was going to talk to you today, I
Speaker 2: was like spying, essentially. But I was a little prize
Speaker 2: when you pulled up today holding a bag. The podcast
Speaker 2: is clearly called. I said no gifts, and you've brought
Speaker 2: what's obviously a gift for me.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, you know, I just don't tell me what
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: You know, you're too far into the tour. If you're
Speaker 2: listening to directions at this point. No exhausted. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: fair enough. Well should I open it here on the podcast? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I guess so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in this lovely little bag. This is Istanbul. Anna.
Speaker 2: Did you get this in Istanbul?
Speaker 3: Nope, I got an op shop and like Birmingham was.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, I mean it's gorgeous. I assume you're
Speaker 2: taking this after the podcast, so I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Be very careful.
Speaker 2: Well, negotiat, we'll get in a fight, that's what we do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna unzip here hopefully we've got a little of
Speaker 2: that on the mic. I'm reaching in pulling out. Oh,
Speaker 2: this is lovely. This is a little what I assume
Speaker 2: a bracelet or if your neck is small enough, a choker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 2: It's got like a little alien charm and like a
Speaker 2: little pineapple charm and some letters. But what did the letters?
Speaker 2: Did they spell something?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: Was the podcast n GF as well? No? No? Oh no?
Speaker 2: Wait does it say no gifts?
Speaker 3: Impress? No gifts?
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Did you make this?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I googled small bracelet, alien charm, no gifts and
Speaker 3: nothing came up, so I had to I had to
Speaker 3: go ahead, and.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that was a huge fad in the
Speaker 2: early thousands, So all those businesses are gone, the bubble bursts,
Speaker 2: and now you've got to make them yourself. Are you
Speaker 2: a crafty person?
Speaker 3: A little? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What sort of crafts are you getting into?
Speaker 3: I do a bit of sewing, and like, I guess
Speaker 3: I've been making small bracelets. That's just a recent thing
Speaker 3: because people have been making them for us and I've
Speaker 3: been like, ah, I think you're into trade.
Speaker 2: Then oh that's very sweet.
Speaker 3: And so it's been. It's been nice, very soothing, and
Speaker 3: you can really see your progress. My friend got me
Speaker 3: into into beating and making bracelets. But yeah, I'm super casual.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and where you're getting all the little beads
Speaker 2: and charms.
Speaker 3: Just from I don't know, the internet. It's all plastic.
Speaker 3: It's terrible. That's yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going to have an island made
Speaker 2: of plastic, it would be nice if it looked like this,
Speaker 2: very cute.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going to destroy the planet, we
Speaker 2: might as well have it be adorable. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so you're making other people are making these for you
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like people. I guess I don't know if the
Speaker 3: started with Tail Swift, but I mean its people have
Speaker 3: been coming to shows and they kind of like throw
Speaker 3: little brace or stage that they've made or something, and
Speaker 3: I was yeah, and I think I was kind of
Speaker 3: self conscious. I was like, Oh, we should have some
Speaker 3: kind of making them and then.
Speaker 2: And are you throwing them back into the audience? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like fight after them.
Speaker 3: It's like not like occasionally, but mostly it's I feel
Speaker 3: like it's like a trade, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this is a pretty nice thing.
Speaker 2: No one's like getting into fist fights over that sort
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I mean not that I've seen, but maybe.
Speaker 2: Probably at Taylor Swift shows, I feel like there's the
Speaker 2: tension is probably a little high. Everyone's energy is very
Speaker 2: high there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I can imagine she's not allowed to throw anything
Speaker 3: into the audience. That's I think there will be death.
Speaker 2: There would be blood everywhere. How many of these have
Speaker 2: you collected from fans at this point?
Speaker 3: A few, like maybe ten. I like, I'm ready for
Speaker 3: you now. This one says b l j T, which
Speaker 3: is the initials for of the band. Remember John Tristan
Speaker 3: and this one says death CAFFCUTI because it was at
Speaker 3: the Death Cafcutie show.
Speaker 2: Oh very nice. And then the other brace that you're
Speaker 2: wearing is just something you're purchased.
Speaker 3: Nope, this was also someone gave it to us, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't say anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, where did the third one come from?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember the shows and icon This.
Speaker 2: Van is bawling right now.
Speaker 3: I'm where I get right every day. Yeah, it's Do
Speaker 3: you do any any crafting?
Speaker 2: I'm very bad at crafts My mom and my sister
Speaker 2: are excellent. They both like quilt, they sow, they do
Speaker 2: I mean, I think within Mormonism that's a big pastime
Speaker 2: and like I feel like Mormons are just naturally crafty people.
Speaker 2: But my sister makes beautiful quilts. My mom watercolors and
Speaker 2: quilts and will sew things. And I the one craft
Speaker 2: I ever tried, well I was forced to make, was
Speaker 2: in middle school. They wanted me to make a wind sock.
Speaker 2: Do you know what that is? One of those fabric
Speaker 2: tubes that hangs in the wind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can tell which way the wind is
Speaker 3: blowing by which direction the sock is pointing.
Speaker 2: Right, I assume that must be the practical purpose. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I was so bad at it. It was one
Speaker 2: of those things where like I was so bad that
Speaker 2: the teacher genuinely felt bad for me, was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's just not capable. This is not in his skill set,
Speaker 2: this he can't learn. So I think there was a
Speaker 2: lot of just doing it for me, and that may
Speaker 2: have been the end of my craft career. Oh no,
Speaker 2: I did ceramics in high school as well. Cool, those
Speaker 2: were hideous. All of mine ended up very ugly.
Speaker 3: I feel like ugly pots all the rage.
Speaker 2: That's true. I feel like that is kind of the
Speaker 2: trend right now. May kind of a unshapely like something that's.
Speaker 3: Very clearly homemade, you know. It's like that's like it
Speaker 3: was almost like a status symbol. It's like this bowl
Speaker 3: wasn't made by a sheet. It was made by terrible human.
Speaker 2: Hands, someone who was paid fairly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, and they really phoned it. I'm just kidding,
Speaker 3: but I pay people feeling. But I feel like I
Speaker 3: got a little bit more because I did it a
Speaker 3: bit of sewing in high school, but and done it since.
Speaker 3: But I've bought a sewing machine during the pandemic. I
Speaker 3: was a bit self conscious because of all the other
Speaker 3: members of my band. I've just like got all these skills,
Speaker 3: like Ben does like hand woodworking stuff, like and he's
Speaker 3: super into making things with wood, and he's built out
Speaker 3: this little workshop of the years, and Tristan like works
Speaker 3: on as has got this little Pugio car that he
Speaker 3: that he works on and like wow. And then Jonathan
Speaker 3: is really good at like I don't know, like fixing
Speaker 3: microphones and electronics stuff and things like that. And I
Speaker 3: was just like, Okay, well, when the apocalypse comes, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna need to like I need to earn my what
Speaker 3: can you provide place? And I'm like I could be
Speaker 3: a bard, I guess, but I should have another skill.
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, I'll do some sewing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after the apocalypse, you still need to be at
Speaker 2: least a double threat, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like put that on my Apocalypse TV.
Speaker 2: So have you gotten better at sewing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What sort of stuff are you sewing?
Speaker 3: I've like made a couple of shirts I've made I've
Speaker 3: made three shirts and then it was all the same shirt,
Speaker 3: but just like they I got slightly better each time.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you should make band uniforms. Yeah, now the
Speaker 2: pressure's on, so, yeah, you have no choice.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to not mix the thing of turning turning
Speaker 3: my hobby into my into my job, which I've already
Speaker 3: die a nightmare.
Speaker 2: That's a true nightmare for anyone in entertainment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's more useful for being able
Speaker 3: to like alter stuff and like it kind of opens
Speaker 3: up op shopping. Sorry you guys call it thrift thrifting, Yeah, thrifting. Yeah,
Speaker 3: or yeah, before it's like you know, if it's a
Speaker 3: if it's like nearly good, but you know you can
Speaker 3: change it a little bit to make it for bitter.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh that's a dream.
Speaker 3: You can shutten things.
Speaker 2: Or because I'll take my like I'll buy something at
Speaker 2: the thrift shop and take it to the tailor and
Speaker 2: then it like quadruples and price because the tailor's not cheap.
Speaker 2: But so I could bring that skill set into my
Speaker 2: own life. By a sewing machine. I love pushing the pedal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love the thrill of your fingers right next to
Speaker 2: that dangerous needle.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a real thrill. Dangerous every year, Like
Speaker 3: you know, at the school, it was like Oh, you know,
Speaker 3: there's always one person who gets their nail, you know,
Speaker 3: obliterated by the sewing needle. In one year, it was
Speaker 3: my younger sister, so she still got little shots of
Speaker 3: metal in her finger. It just like it went in
Speaker 3: broke and then went out and then went back in
Speaker 3: because it goes quick.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're bringing a lot of horrible images to the
Speaker 2: podcast today. The eye being grinded into your sister's finger.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't see this as a pattern, but
Speaker 3: it clearly is.
Speaker 2: Does she have full use of her finger?
Speaker 3: Yep, she's all good.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Shout out to my younger sister.
Speaker 2: Wow, does she have a full nail there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the whole thing obviously it came off,
Speaker 3: but it regrew from from scratch. She's a kid. I
Speaker 3: guess it's pretty malleable.
Speaker 2: That feels like what's that movie series called Final Destination
Speaker 2: Find where everybody dies a crazy way. They should bring
Speaker 2: a sewing machine into that, right.
Speaker 3: I feel like you'd have to be doing something pretty
Speaker 3: unsafe for it to fully kill you. It's one of
Speaker 3: those like pulled into the sewing it sucked.
Speaker 2: Into the Yeah, maybe you're operating like the world's largest
Speaker 2: sewing machine and like kind of as a stunt, and
Speaker 2: it sucks you into the giant which is clearly at
Speaker 2: this point like a steak jamming into the ground. The
Speaker 2: whole audience watches you get pounded to death.
Speaker 3: Yea, they make those, They make them full like a
Speaker 3: Jens sow through Jans You need a really big hole.
Speaker 2: Stories told, it's like one of those What are those
Speaker 2: things that get oil or are those called Derek's? I
Speaker 2: want to say they're called Derek's, And if I'm right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so impressed with myself. Analyst, is the
Speaker 2: thing that gets oiled called a Derek? Anas doesn't look hopeful?
Speaker 2: I feel like a Derek is involved in oil somehow.
Speaker 2: Maybe I just know someone named Derek that it.
Speaker 3: Looked like that kind of go. This is the audio medium.
Speaker 3: It says that Derek is a support structure that holds
Speaker 3: the drilling apparatus. So I think it's kind of like
Speaker 3: good for you, Derek. Yeah right, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's kind of like the bird that gets the water. Right, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to called.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: Are those is that a perpetual motion machine or an
Speaker 2: example one.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: I'm bringing up a lot of knowledge that i'm or
Speaker 2: a lot of words that I do not know.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of mission to have a lot of
Speaker 3: questions that we can't answer on this podcast.
Speaker 2: This is why I brought you here. Okay, So I've
Speaker 2: got this little thing and it's got an alien on it.
Speaker 2: What's your feeling on aliens.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of feelings for aliens. I
Speaker 3: guess have you.
Speaker 2: Been following any of the I feel like at the
Speaker 2: beginning of this year, I said something's gonna happen in
Speaker 2: space this year, and then something's kind of happened in space,
Speaker 2: or at least like there were like hearings on aliens,
Speaker 2: and then there was this guy in Mexico who said
Speaker 2: he found an alien body, and then everyone was like, no,
Speaker 2: you didn't, that's clearly not. So maybe we're still waiting
Speaker 2: for the big space thing to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm a casual
Speaker 3: so I'll just I'll wait until it's front page news
Speaker 3: and they'll be like click click on the article and
Speaker 3: be like, oh, oh aliens, Ah, look at that.
Speaker 2: I kind of I never want us to find aliens,
Speaker 2: because I think it'll probably be an hour until they're boring.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like, I feel like that's why when
Speaker 3: you were like, oh with aliens, and I was like
Speaker 3: I was cussed my bay back. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: did we find extraterrestrial life? I feel like there was
Speaker 3: something to do with like Venus. We found like potential
Speaker 3: for water on Venus or something like that, and then
Speaker 3: just like and then I immediately forgot. So it's like
Speaker 3: it clearly is not as less important to me than right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if they were discovered, it would
Speaker 2: probably be like, realistically, thirty six hours of people tweeting
Speaker 2: about it, and then we would move on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, and then.
Speaker 2: The mystery is dead. We've learned nothing. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 2: this another kind of animal on the planet. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, if aliens are listening, stop by, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what is that? I don't want to send you back
Speaker 2: home thinking that we're going to be disappointed, But uh,
Speaker 2: I do you know, anytime a new species or something discovered,
Speaker 2: I look at one, pick sure of it, then I'm
Speaker 2: moving on. Maybe it's just the way I think. Maybe
Speaker 2: if I was in fourth grade I would be more
Speaker 2: excited about these sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's nice to have a new friend, I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Is there much alien culture in New Zealand? Are there
Speaker 2: people like saying and we saw aliens?
Speaker 3: Not really? No, I know it's part of the culture here.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's everywhere. I mean, maybe it's just
Speaker 2: the size of the country and the amount of open
Speaker 2: space we have for people to just be kind of
Speaker 2: alone and thinking they saw something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure they could do You do you
Speaker 3: get alien jollies? I don't know. There's a lat of
Speaker 3: stuff in America that I guess we don't really have.
Speaker 3: Like on the way here, we passed so many giant
Speaker 3: skeletons in people's front yards.
Speaker 2: Oh, the twelve foot ones. Yeah, I just met one
Speaker 2: yesterday for the first time.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that was a big person before they, I guess,
Speaker 3: became a skeleton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone just living their life, doing their thing, and
Speaker 2: now they're a decoration in someone's yard.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't. I haven't been here I think in
Speaker 3: a while while around like the lead up to Halloween,
Speaker 3: and it really ship surprised me the amount of swag,
Speaker 3: Like I've walked into like an enterprise car Intol and
Speaker 3: there was just like all this, all this like a
Speaker 3: fully decorated office, and I was like, this is really
Speaker 3: this is kind of nice. Like people like who get
Speaker 3: in costume. They weren't, unfortunately, so I did leave them
Speaker 3: one star, of.
Speaker 2: Course, and you've got the manager. You're now trying to
Speaker 2: get them out of business. Yeah, and at least get
Speaker 2: someone fired put them in.
Speaker 3: A hot dog costume, or I will never utilize your
Speaker 3: business again.
Speaker 2: I have I think I have a Ketchup costume in
Speaker 2: the back of my car from last Halloween when I
Speaker 2: didn't have a costume and I asked a friend to
Speaker 2: borrow it. Now it appears to just be mine a
Speaker 2: Ketchup costume. Ketchup. It's like a bag of a packet
Speaker 2: of Ketchup. You can just slide over your body like
Speaker 2: a sash. Oh, that's a very nice way to call
Speaker 2: our trashy little things of Ketchup packet. I think it
Speaker 2: is what we would call it. Yeah, and they're I mean,
Speaker 2: extremely wasteful. It's about two inches long and has maybe
Speaker 2: I don't know, a hundredth of an ounce of Ketchup
Speaker 2: in there. You have to open fifty of them to
Speaker 2: have enough single serving.
Speaker 3: But it's good for when you're on the go and
Speaker 3: you just need a quickly blastom ketchup into your mouth,
Speaker 3: like a cyclist.
Speaker 2: To de France. Yeah, yeah, every ten miles taking your
Speaker 2: little ketchups back? Is ketch a big in New Zealand?
Speaker 2: Is that part of newsance?
Speaker 3: But we call it tomato sauce.
Speaker 2: It's confusing here because then we're thinking about the Italians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's different.
Speaker 2: What do you call an Italian red sauce?
Speaker 3: I don't really know. Yeah, like pomado or I don't know.
Speaker 3: We've got we've got bollic naise.
Speaker 2: That's delicious with meat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's not probably not a real thing,
Speaker 3: but it's a it was big. It was a big
Speaker 3: grown up.
Speaker 2: That's a delicious sauce. I feel like it's a real thing.
Speaker 3: It's just like mince and tomato sauce and like some
Speaker 3: sprinkles from the.
Speaker 2: Cabinet oregano or something. Yeah, basil lick, that's a recipe
Speaker 2: olive oil. So you're calling it tomato sauce, which is
Speaker 2: a waste of time so quick. Yeah, but we have
Speaker 2: two different spellings ketchup, for sure, you call it sauce,
Speaker 2: do you really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow. So if you go to a place that you
Speaker 2: just want sauce and they know what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: well yeah.
Speaker 3: If you ordered, say like a cup of hot chips
Speaker 3: from from the local hotship place, and they were like,
Speaker 3: do you want sauce, you'd say yes, and then they
Speaker 3: would just blast it with like a they had a
Speaker 3: big bottle sauce and they just blust all over the
Speaker 3: top of the chips. So you'd have like a really
Speaker 3: goody top of the chips covenant sauce and the bottom
Speaker 3: of the chips would be completely dry. But that's all
Speaker 3: part of the experience.
Speaker 2: See, that's I would have a huge problem with the
Speaker 2: sagi part. Leave it off, let me control have sagi.
Speaker 3: This is in America. It's like you will apply your
Speaker 3: own dressings to your meals and yeah, and you it's
Speaker 3: like sometimes you do. Sometimes you just take what they
Speaker 3: have poured over the top.
Speaker 2: And say thank you. And if someone said the place
Speaker 2: do you want sauce with that, the amount of things
Speaker 2: that would go through my mind before I would get
Speaker 2: to ketch up would it would probably be fifteen things
Speaker 2: before I thought, oh, they're talking about ketchup ah, I
Speaker 2: would think about gravy so.
Speaker 3: Much of its context, right, like yes, like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess it's like if I if I gave you a
Speaker 3: play of meat loaf, it was like, do you want sauce?
Speaker 2: Now that I would be like, but what the meat
Speaker 2: loaf sauce? What sort of sauce to be putting on
Speaker 2: your meat loaf?
Speaker 3: I've never really had meat loaft, but like, doesn't mean
Speaker 3: life have tomato sauce in it?
Speaker 2: Maybe what only? Maybe I'm not familiar with meat loaf
Speaker 2: enough as ketchup being sauce in it.
Speaker 3: And the Zealand loafs I'm usually bread.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course bread. I feel like the only
Speaker 2: thing that should be a loaf is bread. The media,
Speaker 2: the moment meat becomes a loaf, I'm leaving, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: The form that it came in was not good enough, right,
Speaker 3: it needs to be able to be sliced, and but do.
Speaker 2: Not compress any meat for me? That's oh, I guess
Speaker 2: I eat sausage. But it's the word loaf just doesn't
Speaker 2: sound right to me when when like meat is involved,
Speaker 2: it's disgusting. We're on the same page there, Absolutely meat loaf,
Speaker 2: compressed meat, all the things we can talk about. What
Speaker 2: a life, What a life we're both living. I feel
Speaker 2: like we should play a game.
Speaker 3: Okay, we would like to play a game. Love games.
Speaker 2: Okay, I need a number between one and ten from you.
Speaker 3: Nine.
Speaker 2: Okay. I have to do some light calculating to get
Speaker 2: our game pieces. Okay, so right now, you have the microphone.
Speaker 2: You can promote something, you can recommend something, you can
Speaker 2: say whatever you want. I'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Okay. Wow, it's amazing that you've gotten this far into
Speaker 3: this podcast that I'm on. My name is Liz, and
Speaker 3: I play in a band called The Beths, and we
Speaker 3: play kind of like guitar pop music. I guess yeah.
Speaker 3: We put out an album last year called Expert in
Speaker 3: a Dying Field, and we have been on tour this
Speaker 3: year a lot, and last year pretty constantly.
Speaker 2: And yep, beautiful. I think that's great and the listener
Speaker 2: should go listen to the band. That's my recommendation for
Speaker 2: the week. I don't even need to recommend anything else.
Speaker 2: You're not familiar with The Beths. What a pleasant surprise
Speaker 2: for the listener. Wow, they're going to be freaking out
Speaker 2: everybody loves the baths and if you're not already on board,
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to call you a loser,
Speaker 2: but that may be one of the words on my list. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is how we play gift. This the gamer plane
Speaker 2: is called gift or a Curse. So I'm gonna name
Speaker 2: three things. You're going to tell me if they're a
Speaker 2: gift or a curse and why, and then I'll tell
Speaker 2: you if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers.
Speaker 3: You can lose the game, okay, shameful, what do you win?
Speaker 2: Moment of pride?
Speaker 3: I love moment of pride.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. So the first one is from a listener
Speaker 2: named Karen. Karen suggested gift or a curse passengers in
Speaker 2: the window seat who keep the window shade closed the
Speaker 2: entire trip.
Speaker 3: Ah. I guess, man, I've never been so ambivalent about
Speaker 3: anything in my entire life. I really have to choose
Speaker 3: the entire flight. I guess gift Why Because if you
Speaker 3: have no choice about anything else about what this flight
Speaker 3: is and why you're there, where you're going, there's a
Speaker 3: chance that it might be that you want to sleep. Mmm. Interesting,
Speaker 3: and I'd rather have it close the whole time than
Speaker 3: blasting you with light the whole time.
Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so closely.
Speaker 2: For that reason, of course, because and also for the
Speaker 2: reason if I'm in the middle seat, I want to peak,
Speaker 2: but I'm not peaking. That's uncomfortable to peek over the person.
Speaker 2: I don't want the temptation there. I don't want the
Speaker 2: sun blasting in on me. Why not just have a
Speaker 2: quiet moment with the window closed. There's nothing interesting enough
Speaker 2: for me to see out the window that I need
Speaker 2: it open exactly. Yeah, just let me be in a calm, dark,
Speaker 2: quiet place for a minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I feel like, most likely you just
Speaker 3: want to figure where you are.
Speaker 2: Yes, just do not remind me. I'm on an airplane,
Speaker 2: keep it close. If I'm at the window seat, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of doing everything, which is I don't know if
Speaker 2: people appreciate that, because if you're asleep and then the
Speaker 2: person opens the window, suddenly you're being blast. But that
Speaker 2: is the power you hold.
Speaker 3: That's the thing you have, that power, And like I
Speaker 3: feel like the middle of the day and everyone was
Speaker 3: sleeping and someone blasted up in the windowshed I might
Speaker 3: say something, but I still probably wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I would promise it. I would just sit
Speaker 2: in silence.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was on a plane recently with a man whose
Speaker 2: elbow was just in my body the entire time, and
Speaker 2: there was nothing I could do about it. And if
Speaker 2: you say something, then they're mad at you, so you
Speaker 2: just suffer.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's the right thing
Speaker 3: to do, but it is the thing that I most
Speaker 3: consistently do.
Speaker 2: Likewise, absolutely Likewise were kindred spirits there. Okay, you've gotten
Speaker 2: one so far. This next one is from someone named Andy,
Speaker 2: and Andy suggested gift to a curse restaurant menus that
Speaker 2: call sandwiches hand helds.
Speaker 3: Oh curse. Why, I've never heard of that in my life,
Speaker 3: And it feels like sandwiches have quite a good name.
Speaker 3: And do tell me how to eat my sandwich. Maybe
Speaker 3: I want to eat it with a knife and fork
Speaker 3: or chopsticks or just like directly with like taking bites
Speaker 3: from the plate with my face. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: have to hold it with my hands, have.
Speaker 2: Your hands tied behind your back, eating it off the plate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't usually get mad about
Speaker 3: calling sandwiches other things because I think that that's fine,
Speaker 3: But in this case, I'm furious, of.
Speaker 2: Course, I mean, how annoying? Why are we it's so cute,
Speaker 2: it's so irritating. Everyone knows what a sandwich is. Why
Speaker 2: are you calling it a handheld?
Speaker 3: I get, Yeah, there's a thing here right where would
Speaker 3: you include Burger's on that menu?
Speaker 2: This is the big confusion for everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think put.
Speaker 2: A hamburger under a sandwich. I'm not gonna fight with you.
Speaker 2: That was the original name. Is that how you feel?
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a cultural loaded.
Speaker 2: Question, so I oh, then let's hear it.
Speaker 3: I feel like the word burger means a different thing here,
Speaker 3: like it means the meat, does it?
Speaker 2: Well, if I ordered a burger, it's a sand or
Speaker 2: a burger sandwich.
Speaker 3: That's true, But like no one orders a chicken burger here,
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 2: Can actually weirdly okay, but that's rare because it ends
Speaker 2: up being like ground chicken turned into a paddy.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. And it's like I feel like
Speaker 3: a burger is like that style of like hot sandwich
Speaker 3: with a hot meat, So like a chicken burger would
Speaker 3: just be what you call a chicken sandwich.
Speaker 2: It's and even if it was like a like a
Speaker 2: piece of chicken, you would call that a chicken burger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just be a chicken burger or like a veggie
Speaker 3: burger or like a you know, a lamburger or something,
Speaker 3: or a steak burger. Like.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so we do have like turkey burger, we
Speaker 2: have lamburger, but it's always grounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the I think the difference everything. Yeah, and interesting,
Speaker 3: it's just like if it's between a burger, if it's
Speaker 3: on a burger bun, it's a burger.
Speaker 2: You've got to get into more detail there. That gets
Speaker 2: confused saying if I order a lamb sandwich, I'm assuming
Speaker 2: it's gonna be oh now, oh no, I would have
Speaker 2: to order a lamb sandwich, not a lamburger.
Speaker 3: That's the thing. If you go to McDonald's, everything is
Speaker 3: a burger in New Zealand. Wow, it's like the mc
Speaker 3: chicken burger and like the file of fish burger. It's
Speaker 3: everything there would be a burger because it's like burger shaped, right,
Speaker 3: It's like a yeah, maybe that's what it is. Like,
Speaker 3: it's like the Platonic idea of a burger looks a
Speaker 3: certain way, and if it resembles that.
Speaker 2: Your picture in your mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like round on top ish you know if
Speaker 3: it's square not a burger.
Speaker 2: Well, now that's that. There's a chain of restaurants in
Speaker 2: America called Wendy's that serves square hamburgers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the bunner's round, and that's a burger.
Speaker 2: Then it's hanging off the edge. I don't know what
Speaker 2: their logic is. I wonder if it's cheaper or.
Speaker 3: I hope that they're putting the cheese, the square cheese
Speaker 3: directly on top of the square.
Speaker 2: Ooh, interesting, but.
Speaker 3: I don't think they are. We have Windys too, or
Speaker 3: you do have Wendy's. Yeah, yeah, I know Wendy Okay.
Speaker 2: Wendy's is. I haven't been there in a while. I
Speaker 2: don't mind a Wendy's, be totally honest with you.
Speaker 3: I used to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: They have a spicy chicken sandwich there. There you go
Speaker 2: pretty good. Not it's an underrated sandwich.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: What do you order at Wendy's.
Speaker 3: Uh, A frosty and fry.
Speaker 2: Oh, of course everybody loves that.
Speaker 3: Do you dip? Do you are you like a soft serve?
Speaker 2: Or I will, but not the entire time. I'll eat
Speaker 2: most of my French fries kind of as the savory thing,
Speaker 2: and then towards the end, we're getting into dessert and
Speaker 2: I'm dipping. I'm enjoying. Are you the whole time?
Speaker 3: I'm the whole time? Like that's the whole event. Like
Speaker 3: that's like the meal is like if I could, like
Speaker 3: I would, I would have it, play it and I
Speaker 3: would pull fries on it and then like spaghetti ball
Speaker 3: and as the frosty will go on top and I'll
Speaker 3: just be ating that with the fuck is there?
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, is there a like proportionally
Speaker 2: is there enough fry to frosty where like you finish
Speaker 2: and they're both gone, or you like there's still frosty
Speaker 2: left over.
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is the balance. This is the
Speaker 3: game that you play with anything. I guess it's like
Speaker 3: trying to get the ratio exactly right. Oh, the last
Speaker 3: doing this, the last bite is the correct right.
Speaker 2: Works takes over every meal where I'm like, well, I
Speaker 2: want to have a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, don't talk to me working on something.
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, what we have to do is just agree
Speaker 2: on Handheld's being a bad idea. Okay, this is your
Speaker 2: final one. You've gotten two out of three so far,
Speaker 2: so be very careful here because you could win the game,
Speaker 2: and very few people have won the game. Oh, Rachel.
Speaker 2: Listener Rachel has suggested when doctors say you're doing great
Speaker 2: during a procedure, gift a curse. Gift or a curse?
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, gift why? Because I love praise, I
Speaker 3: just wouldn't mean to tell that I'm doing a good
Speaker 3: job in my life.
Speaker 2: Oh, Liz, as much as I'd love to tell you
Speaker 2: you're doing a great job, You've absolutely flopped here. It's
Speaker 2: a curse because the moment we're in the middle of
Speaker 2: this procedure, they're telling me I'm doing great, and now
Speaker 2: I have to do better. I have to at least
Speaker 2: maintain the greatness or better. The pressure is on, and
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to cause an injury or something. Make
Speaker 2: me think I'm doing a bad job the entire time,
Speaker 2: so I perform best. Okay, This is how maybe how
Speaker 2: I operate my entire life, where I'm just constantly wondering
Speaker 2: am I doing a good job? The moment you're someone
Speaker 2: says you're doing a job. Now, I'm confused.
Speaker 3: Do you like? When do you so you do? When
Speaker 3: do you want the feedback before when you put it
Speaker 3: on my tombstone?
Speaker 2: Just like report card, Bridgerie did a great job. Until then,
Speaker 2: I can't have praise, at least directly. It gets a
Speaker 2: little the stakes become way too high, and I want
Speaker 2: I don't want to let anybody, anybody down because I
Speaker 2: didn't know I was making anyone happy.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm getting it now.
Speaker 2: Who knows? But uh, you've got two out of three,
Speaker 2: which is not bad.
Speaker 3: Famously, two o three an't bad, need bad.
Speaker 2: It's a good sixty six percent, which you get to
Speaker 2: take home with you. Okay, this is the final segment
Speaker 2: of the podcast. It's called I said no emails. People
Speaker 2: are writing in too, I said no gifts at gmail
Speaker 2: dot com. They're in a panic, they're freaking out. They
Speaker 2: need answers. The only person they can turned to his
Speaker 2: may of course, and you, of course, so call you
Speaker 2: help me answer a question. Okay, let's look at this.
Speaker 2: We're getting into the duck. Okay, here we go. High
Speaker 2: Bridger an incredibly attractive guest. That's very nice. What an assumption.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: I started a new job four months ago and The
Speaker 2: business is doing a Secret Santa gift exchange for Christmas?
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Secret Santa? Names were randomly drawn
Speaker 2: and I got my manager. We have had a good
Speaker 2: relationship since he is the one that hired me, and
Speaker 2: I believe he has my best professional interests at heart.
Speaker 2: But I don't know too much about him personally. I
Speaker 2: want to gift him something that will cement my place
Speaker 2: as his favorite person on the sales team. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: about him. He's gay and married. He has a dog.
Speaker 2: He wakes up at four am to exercise and goes
Speaker 2: to bed at seven thirty pm. Okay, we're getting red flags.
Speaker 2: He loves candy and desserts. He's in de fancy skincare treatments.
Speaker 2: The budget is twenty five dollars, Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: and that's from Bay.
Speaker 3: Twenty five dollars. Oh man, that's hard.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's too little?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess it's probably good. It's good
Speaker 3: to have limitations.
Speaker 2: What would you say is a good Secret Santa number?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess it's like for a work
Speaker 3: thing where it's for someone you potentially don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, forty bucks maybe forty bucks or twenty
Speaker 3: five bucks is worth more here?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's the exchange current?
Speaker 3: That is about forty bucks?
Speaker 2: Oh so it is about for him? There you go,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 3: What's on unique number?
Speaker 2: Okay? So forty dollars New Zealand?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, man, that's really hard. I don't know if
Speaker 3: managers should be in the in the secret setting.
Speaker 2: Right, because this person's playing a game with their employees
Speaker 2: that I am not comfortable with. Yeah, there's a power
Speaker 2: dynamic of play.
Speaker 3: And the expectation with Secret Center is that you reveal yourself, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're revealing a little bit about yourself and what
Speaker 2: you think of the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because could you just like remain a secret?
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, But I guess.
Speaker 3: This person wants to make a good impression, so they
Speaker 3: want to write. They want them to know who sit
Speaker 3: in the gift.
Speaker 2: Although with Secret Sanda, you watch the person open the gift,
Speaker 2: You watch their face very carefully. If they seem disappointed,
Speaker 2: you just never well yeah, you just never reveal yourself.
Speaker 2: Let that remain a mystery forever, kind of like the
Speaker 2: zodiac or something. Decades later, they're still looking into it.
Speaker 2: No one ever knows, but if it's if they're happy,
Speaker 2: even if they weren't your person, you claim it.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: And then the other employee that says no, it was me,
Speaker 2: you call them a liar.
Speaker 3: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: And now there's you know, no one knows what's going on.
Speaker 3: Maybe you get them two prisons. Have you got two ideas?
Speaker 3: And then they open both and you just whichever one
Speaker 3: they're like more. You're like, oh, that's the one I
Speaker 3: got you. I don't know who got you there, that
Speaker 3: shitty one that's so bad that other prison, or.
Speaker 2: You have the good one, like as a backup in
Speaker 2: your office, and if they seem disappointed, you say, oh,
Speaker 2: that one was a joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. The begain persons is so hard,
Speaker 3: even when you've listened all these interests that this person
Speaker 3: has and that they have like kids and they like
Speaker 3: to sleep at crazy hours. Like it's man and a
Speaker 3: dog a dog, you'd think, like I think would be
Speaker 3: like easy to go for the dog. It's like if
Speaker 3: they clearly like the dog, right, then you know you
Speaker 3: get a little treat for the dog. I don't know,
Speaker 3: little hat.
Speaker 2: The dog is such an easy target. Yeah, because everyone
Speaker 2: loves a little yeah sweater for the dog, or you
Speaker 2: have somebody paint a picture of it on Etsy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you covertly go to their house and take photos of it,
Speaker 2: and then they're terrified.
Speaker 3: Everybody wants a T shirt with a dog on it.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's not a bad idea print, right, And then
Speaker 2: fancy skincare treatments not a possibility with twenty five dollars.
Speaker 2: Those are all fifty dollars or more candy and desserts.
Speaker 2: That's kind of a downer. It's like, who cares?
Speaker 3: You could maybe do something with the skin, because there
Speaker 3: are things that like, uh, should be two dollars that
Speaker 3: you could probably get a twenty five dollars version. I
Speaker 3: don't know, like how much is like a face mask
Speaker 3: or something like a very nice lip bomb?
Speaker 2: Oh, lip bomb? There we go. That feels like if
Speaker 2: you're paying twenty five dollars for a lip bomb, it's
Speaker 2: got everything you need. Yeah, it's got supplements, it's plumping
Speaker 2: your lip, this kind of thing. It's got an SPF
Speaker 2: of sixty. Although giving somebody a lip treat, your boss
Speaker 2: a lip care thing, I don't know if that's.
Speaker 3: Sign I've been thinking about your mouth.
Speaker 2: Right, that's what you're right in the card. I can't
Speaker 2: stop thinking about your mouth, and then your the job
Speaker 2: will just be nothing but roses from then on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: perfect workplace dynamic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really hot. This is all the questions
Speaker 3: that come in about gifts.
Speaker 2: Most of them, although I'm encouraging recently just asking anything.
Speaker 2: You know, why not. If you're so desperate, you should
Speaker 2: ask whatever you want, get in here and ask. But
Speaker 2: then we give such perfect answers that I think people
Speaker 2: are tempted, Oh I need this gift advice, like I
Speaker 2: should give flip care to my boss. Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way that could go wrong. That's perfect.
Speaker 2: You should be rubbing their shoulders while they open the gift.
Speaker 2: That's probably the one thing you should be doing, just
Speaker 2: to make sure they're comfortable.
Speaker 3: Heavy breathing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we answered it perfectly. Okay, good, and no
Speaker 2: one can complain. The manager is going to be thrilled.
Speaker 3: Saying that I did a good I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: You did an excellent job. I would say, just think
Speaker 2: that's fantastic. And now I've got this little gift, which
Speaker 2: is so sweet, and I'll wear it and think of
Speaker 2: you and the band, which is so incredible, and you
Speaker 2: guys are going to vanish for a while. I assume
Speaker 2: you're going to go probably make new music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to just like you just have to
Speaker 3: keep doing that, don't you. It's like you make something
Speaker 3: good and you're like, is this enough? Yeah, I still
Speaker 3: have to continue to work for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: You should have to do one project and then you
Speaker 2: get to That's how everything should be. It's like I think,
Speaker 2: like working out, you should go to work out for
Speaker 2: twelve hours one day and then you should be done
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: So annoying that you have to keep doing it forever.
Speaker 2: It's terrifying, absolutely terrifying. When you guys start a new album,
Speaker 2: is it right after you finish the last or do
Speaker 2: you give yourself a break?
Speaker 3: I have, uh, let's call it given myself a break.
Speaker 3: I have not really managed to write a song in
Speaker 3: like every year.
Speaker 2: So say the pressure and it builds and builds and builds,
Speaker 2: builds and builds.
Speaker 3: It's and I just need to let myself write a
Speaker 3: real bad song. Just to write a bad one. It's
Speaker 3: okay to write a bad one. I have to be
Speaker 3: allowed to write a bad one so that I can
Speaker 3: I can break the seal.
Speaker 2: And then it can become like a novelty or a
Speaker 2: B side or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me pitch you an idea that I think
Speaker 2: if I were in a band, I would do. Okay,
Speaker 2: every time I released a new album, I would include
Speaker 2: a song from the last album kind of in the
Speaker 2: production style of the new album. It's like a bridge
Speaker 2: to the new album.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just throwing that up for every band.
Speaker 2: Or maybe that sound like the B side to the single. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I'm constantly thinking of ways bands
Speaker 2: can do things, even though I don't play.
Speaker 3: Music really really and ideas I just post.
Speaker 2: I'm an ideas person first. Yeah, everything else is like
Speaker 2: a distant ten thousand. All my other skills fall far
Speaker 2: away from think my ideas. But I'm throwing that out
Speaker 2: for you. Could be you could innovate. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's a great thought.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being here. You've got one final
Speaker 2: show tonight. I hope you enjoy the rest of your
Speaker 2: time in Los Angeles. Thank you, and I'll put this
Speaker 2: on and go about my life. Listener, the podcast is over.
Speaker 2: As you've just heard from my conversation with Liz. You
Speaker 2: can move on, you cannot move on, and you know
Speaker 2: blame me. You can do whatever you want. I have
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a lot of controls. Sometimes I have
Speaker 2: very little. Today I'm giving you control. I love you, goodbye.
Speaker 2: I said, no Gifts is an exactly right production. It's
Speaker 2: produced by our dear friend Analise Nilson and beutifully mixed
Speaker 2: by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't do it without our
Speaker 2: guest booker Patrick Cottner. The theme song, of course, could
Speaker 2: only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow
Speaker 2: the show on Instagram at I said no gifts. I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get
Speaker 2: to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.
Speaker 2: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?
Speaker 2: He lie invit?
Speaker 3: Did you hear?
Speaker 1: Thunna made myself perfectly clear.
Speaker 3: But you're a guest to.
Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty And I said, no guests.
Speaker 1: Your presences presents enough. I'm already too much stuff.
Speaker 3: So how do you dad to survey me