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Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 2: But you're a guest in my home.

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Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty, And I said, no guests,

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Speaker 1: you're presences presents enough and I already had too much stuff.

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Speaker 3: So how did you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. You're here,

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Speaker 2: I'm here, We're in the backyard. Had a full morning.

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Speaker 2: I went to the coffee shop. They gave me a

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Speaker 2: sam of a lemon bar mystery flavor. I guess the

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Speaker 2: flavor wrong. I went to Target. Some children laughed at me,

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Speaker 2: And here we are. I'm very, very excited about today's guest,

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Speaker 2: so let's just get into it. It's Liz Stokes from

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Speaker 2: the Baths. Liz. Welcome to. I said, no gifts, Thank you,

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Speaker 2: thank you for having me. You've been doing show is

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Speaker 2: basically non stop since Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Tonight we'll be our seventh seventh in a row.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what were the three prior to Thursday?

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Speaker 3: We played three shows at the Greek Theater up in Berkeley.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, this is I'm supporting death cab for CUTI

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Speaker 3: in the postal service.

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Speaker 2: Right, and one of these Was it Friday that you

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Speaker 2: were doing that show with the Hollywood Ball?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, was that your first time playing there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What was that experience?

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Speaker 3: It's wild, Like I had been to one show there

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Speaker 3: and back in twenty nineteen I saw I saw diskcap there. Oh,

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Speaker 3: so it was it's wild, like it's it's such an

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Speaker 3: amazing structure, and yeah, I don't know, it's I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on in the back rooms of the

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Speaker 3: Like it's pretty classic like backroom venue, Like there's just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a circus. That's crazy. As an opening band,

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Speaker 2: is it scary? I feel like that would be horrifying.

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Speaker 3: It's always scary going in because like being an opening

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Speaker 3: I'm we're going to make ourselves kind of like small,

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Speaker 3: like try and have some nice chats with people and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But we've been lucky in the supporter tos that we've

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Speaker 3: done where the both the crew who you interact with

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Speaker 3: the most and the bands have been super lovely.

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Speaker 2: No one's been horrible to you.

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Speaker 3: No, No, they've like treated us like people and like

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Speaker 2: Have you had past experiences where you were not treated

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Speaker 3: Um? I think so. Like it's because we've done a

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Speaker 3: But generally the bands that we've played with are pretty

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Speaker 2: So oh interesting, it's just so cold. Yeah, please explain

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you don't like flying, it's there's not really

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Speaker 2: And Yeah, I honestly, if they had like anesthesia at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they still play you like a few movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, have movies going in case you come out of

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Speaker 3: I usually watch a movie, Okay, Like I find like

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Speaker 2: A good plane movie is like a good like middle

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Speaker 2: so you'll I've cried at movies on planes that are

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Speaker 3: Ah, that's so, that's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what did you watch on the way before

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched the New Spider Verse movie. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: Really really interesting popping out. How long have you been

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Speaker 3: This run? We're about what three weeks? And I guess

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Speaker 2: And how many shows total?

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Speaker 3: Is that? Oh? Good question? Let me quickly cut them

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Speaker 3: Then you reveal, I don't know, like seventeen twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: But have any cities been highlights for you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Seattle shows with Death Gad, we're

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Speaker 3: pretty we're pretty awesome. Like them playing this like twenty

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Speaker 2: I feel like keeping the ice there is not a

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Speaker 2: giant disaster. Oh, but somebody's got to pull that off

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Speaker 3: Hanging out. Yeah, having ice on stage sounds great if

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Speaker 2: Stepping on a guitar pedal in an ice skate, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: It's a great way to slice it in half.

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Speaker 2: You guys put on like a show show you have

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Speaker 3: So Lily Paris West. She did all the design for

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Speaker 2: Good for you relinquishing control.

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Speaker 2: Is it made out of like balloon material? What's happening there?

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Speaker 3: It's like fabric, but it's like it operates kind of

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Speaker 2: Some point or something would happen. When was the last

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Speaker 2: time you were in a bouncy house.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, too long, it's been It's been years for sure.

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Speaker 3: What was last same you're in a bounty house.

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Speaker 2: That was an unfair question to ask you because I

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Speaker 3: That really happened, right, and happened like it's terrified, no joke.

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Speaker 3: The real shit. I just I don't remember being that

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Speaker 2: You're a bouncy house snob. Yeah, you don't have me.

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Speaker 2: What are the are The new ones have like that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the springs are like not at the side,

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Speaker 3: Just like I don't know. Kids they got to jump.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't you rather they do it in the house?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why there's on these adult jumping that.

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Speaker 2: And do you I know you bungee jump in a video?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they didn't jump suspiciously.

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Speaker 3: And they were like, okay, let's do it, and we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was all hypothetical at first, and until

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Speaker 2: And then do they push you. You're responsible for making

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Speaker 3: They never push you.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that. Like, and I think I've probably

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like I would get to the

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like with skydiving, I would like attack

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's kind of what me and Tristan did,

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Speaker 2: That is mortifying to me. Yeah, there needs to be

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I need a company that I that at

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Speaker 2: you jumping. No, it's that that I should look into

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Speaker 2: the horror stories. And recently I've looked into Lasik eye

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like a viewing room and they have like

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Speaker 3: I filmed it because I was like, yeah, you have

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Speaker 3: It was kind of fun, Like I'm not too squamish

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Speaker 3: But there's like two kinds of laser, one where you

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Speaker 2: Oh so there is a safer option.

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Speaker 3: Well, it just I guess it's just like less risk

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Speaker 2: So people were telling me it's great and just sending

441
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Speaker 2: me in with no their tips.

442
00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,359
Speaker 3: Ah, I think. I don't know, it feels like this.

443
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,520
Speaker 3: It's weather right, Like, I don't know. How bad is

444
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:06,040
Speaker 3: your eyesight?

445
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,800
Speaker 2: It's pretty bad. Oh yeah, but we're in contact, isn't that.

446
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,960
Speaker 2: I mean, starting around eleven o'clock every night, my eyes

447
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 2: are completely dry and that's a pain. But other than that,

448
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 2: it's better than having my eyes poked out by lasers.

449
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's very fun, but I don't know.

450
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 3: I've hash hashtag places I've I've got good vision, thus fine.

451
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,159
Speaker 3: And the thing is that, you know, I take for

452
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 3: granted talking to it my glass friends.

453
00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,600
Speaker 2: People with good vision. I mean, I just I've had

454
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 2: bad vision since like eighth grade. I just went out

455
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 2: on me immediately.

456
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,119
Speaker 3: Do you go out into the ocean? Do you like

457
00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,320
Speaker 3: swimming at the beach?

458
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 2: Oh? This is something I'm kind of debating with myself currently.

459
00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 2: Do I like the beach? Do I like the ocean?

460
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 2: It's up in the air for me, I need to

461
00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 2: go a couple more times. I think I like the ocean.

462
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 2: I like the beach. I don't like the drive back,

463
00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 2: And that was excruciating.

464
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,679
Speaker 3: What about it?

465
00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 2: You're like salt water's drying you out, You've got sand

466
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 2: all over your body. You're tired. The sun has been

467
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 2: beating down on you all day. I am clearly not

468
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 2: prepared for sun in any form. You've swallowed some amount

469
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 2: of salt water, so that part of it's not ideal.

470
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,720
Speaker 2: But kind of getting pushed about by the waves, that's

471
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: very fun.

472
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,640
Speaker 3: It's nice. Yeah.

473
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 2: Do you like doing it the beach?

474
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? I Like I didn't growing up like in New Zealand,

475
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,479
Speaker 3: like everything is water, Like everything's surrounded by water. Oakland

476
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: is an isthmus, it's like more water than land. And

477
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 3: the rag break bread it's like yeah, yeah, bramer bread, Hey,

478
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: this is a this is a beach straight then it's

479
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 3: just a mere hour drive, but yeah, it's I didn't like. Yeah,

480
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 3: when you grow up with it and you're like and

481
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't like the beach. I didn't

482
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 3: get it, and I think I don't. I don't think

483
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 3: I got it until I was about twenty four and

484
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 3: I had my first like a big breakup, and I

485
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 3: started just like going to the beach every day and

486
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: like swimming at night, and just like there was something

487
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: about it that was just like I don't know, it

488
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: just it flipped a switch for me. Somehow, and suddenly

489
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: I was like, I like the beach.

490
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 2: Well, it's a great place for dramatic moments of your life,

491
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: I would say, I think so.

492
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just it's like it's so vast and like,

493
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, just like completely engulfing yourself in this

494
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 3: like big giant thing. Were you fair really helpless? Maybe

495
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 3: that's just just was just the ticket.

496
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 2: It's just kind of this wet void. You can kind

497
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 2: of just release things too, The wet void, The wet void.

498
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 2: That's a that's the title for something. I don't know

499
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: what exactly. Yeah, maybe my problem is I need to

500
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: go to the beach at night. Maybe I had be

501
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: a nocturnal beacher.

502
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that is the beach. If it's like

503
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: a nice calm beach, I guess. I like, I don't.

504
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 3: I don't want to be the reason that you disappear, but.

505
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 2: We need someone to blame when I finally disappear. Yeah,

506
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 2: I think up the publicity for you.

507
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's through the relief. Yeah, let me suggest

508
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: this beach with really big waves.

509
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 2: And you don't need any safety, don't go alone. Yep,

510
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm into this. I'm into this. I wouldn't mind, like

511
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: a bonfire by the beach, and then it would probably

512
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: be cold. The Pacific's very cold.

513
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: We have the Pacific two, but it's right on the

514
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 3: other side.

515
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 2: Right, and it's probably cold over there as well. I

516
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 2: assume it's pretty chilly.

517
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. It's not like a I've swum at

518
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: the Mediterranean. I was very confused. I was like, it's

519
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: so warm. I don't know, it just it's suspicious.

520
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that's the sort of thing where it's just like,

521
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: where is the what's the source of warmth in any water?

522
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: Unless it's really hot, you're like something gross might be making.

523
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does feel like a little bit gross.

524
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly where were you swimming in the Mediterranean.

525
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: It was in Spain on the east coast, which is

526
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 3: where we've spent a little bit of time sometimes when

527
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 3: we've been on tours, like even just like super budget once,

528
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: because flying home to New Zealand, like I say, we

529
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: have like of six weeks or a month between tours

530
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: in the Northern Hemisphere is very expensive. Oh my god.

531
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: And we've managed to find a spot in Spain where

532
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 3: we can find like a little place to stay. That's like,

533
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, two hundred and fifty year is like

534
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: the whole time.

535
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: Reveal that to me off podcast, you're going to go there?

536
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: That sounds wonderful.

537
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,479
Speaker 3: It's pretty great. And I get to practice my Spanish,

538
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: which I lunched high school and then never used because

539
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 3: you don't really use it in New Zealand.

540
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned French, or I mean learned, you know.

541
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: I can say my name, I mean tell you what

542
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: my name is, and maybe ask what for the menu

543
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 2: when I can say the beach. But these are all

544
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 2: things I absolutely have no use for. You took Spanish, yeah, absolutely,

545
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: nowhere near Spain. Yeah, nowhere near Spanish speaking country in.

546
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: South America either. I'm closest to South America, not close

547
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: across the Pacific. Again. But yeah, I don't know why

548
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: I liked the language.

549
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: I guess it's a good language. They're all pretty good.

550
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 2: I suppose is there a best language. I don't know

551
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: that there is. Everybody's got their feelings. Yeah, I probably

552
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: whatever one, everyone, whatever one you speak.

553
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: Really, I'm real learning Bahasa Indonesian because it's that's where

554
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 3: my mum's from and it's born so like have Donesian,

555
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: but like grew up in New Zealands are very like

556
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 3: New Zealand ized, I guess. But we're going on like

557
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: a family trip soon for the first time in a

558
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 3: long long time, and so I was like, well, I

559
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: want to carry my weight. I'm kind of like getting

560
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,719
Speaker 3: Bahasa lessens. That's a that's a fun language to learn,

561
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: an interesting language that's like kind of simple. But because

562
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 3: it's simple, it's probably just got all these layers that

563
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: you you you kind of like of context that you

564
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: can't see, right. It's like no tenses, so everything is

565
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 3: just like there's no past, tense, future, chance, whatever. Everything's

566
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 3: just pretty simple. There's like like you barely conjugate anything.

567
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 3: Everything's like very uh, I don't know straight ahead you can.

568
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: The words basic elements of like yeah.

569
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: But because of that, I think, yeah, there's all these

570
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: it's maybe easy to learn to a simple level, but

571
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 3: then like much more difficult to kind of write.

572
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: Can you say the sentence like my name is Liz.

573
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: Let's still practicing.

574
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: Oh no, uh sayah number Lizzy. Like I didn't even

575
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: know how to say that, right, But I think the

576
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: thing is in casual Indonesia, it's it's so I love

577
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 3: how context based it is, like You don't say, like,

578
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: my name is Lizzly. You just be like name Lizzie,

579
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: like or like like you wouldn't even say that, You

580
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: just be like Lizzy.

581
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, you know, good for them?

582
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we say a lot in English.

583
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: What cities you're going to visit while you're there.

584
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 3: I'm going to visit Manado, which is where my mum's

585
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: family's from and where my mum's mum is married. So

586
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 3: she wants us to go there, and then some and

587
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: Bali as well.

588
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: What we have family too, wonderful. I've been to Malaysia,

589
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: which I feel like is as close as all properly

590
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: because of that flight ever get to Indonesia?

591
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: That was that must have been cool though? How is it?

592
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: Uh? It was? I was on a Mormon mission. I'm

593
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: ex Mormon. Wow, And so it was a beautiful place

594
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: and wonderful food and lovely people, but a not good experience.

595
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: It's pretty negative experience overall, but I would recommend it

596
00:25:59,400 --> 00:25:59,959
Speaker 2: as a vacation.

597
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 3: All right.

598
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 2: The food's unbelievable.

599
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: Did it did you? Did it work?

600
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What did it work?

601
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: Did it? Did I assume missions there about converting.

602
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: About converting other people? Yeah? Somebody asked me that recently,

603
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: and I don't know that I personally. I hope I didn't.

604
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: I don't. I wasn't there for the full time. I

605
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: had a meltdown and went back home because what I've

606
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: just said. But I hope in that time I didn't

607
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: convert anybody. Okay, but who knows. It's in my distant past.

608
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: We're just moving forward, and I apologize to anybody's life

609
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: who I've thrown off course. Hopefully that reach out to

610
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: the podcast. I hope they're listening well, I mean, speaking

611
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: of throwing people's lives off course. I was very excited

612
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: to have you today on the podcast. I was thrilled.

613
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: I love your band. I saw you Thursday night. It

614
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: was so wonderful. It felt kind of creepy seeing you live.

615
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 2: Knowing I was going to talk to you today, I

616
00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 2: was like spying, essentially. But I was a little prize

617
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: when you pulled up today holding a bag. The podcast

618
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: is clearly called. I said no gifts, and you've brought

619
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: what's obviously a gift for me.

620
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, you know, I just don't tell me what

621
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: to do.

622
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: You know, you're too far into the tour. If you're

623
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: listening to directions at this point. No exhausted. Okay, that's

624
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: fair enough. Well should I open it here on the podcast? Yeah?

625
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: I guess so.

626
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in this lovely little bag. This is Istanbul. Anna.

627
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: Did you get this in Istanbul?

628
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: Nope, I got an op shop and like Birmingham was.

629
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, I mean it's gorgeous. I assume you're

630
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: taking this after the podcast, so I'm gonna.

631
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: Be very careful.

632
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: Well, negotiat, we'll get in a fight, that's what we do.

633
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna unzip here hopefully we've got a little of

634
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 2: that on the mic. I'm reaching in pulling out. Oh,

635
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: this is lovely. This is a little what I assume

636
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: a bracelet or if your neck is small enough, a choker.

637
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.

638
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: It's got like a little alien charm and like a

639
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: little pineapple charm and some letters. But what did the letters?

640
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 2: Did they spell something?

641
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm trying to say.

642
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: Was the podcast n GF as well? No? No? Oh no?

643
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: Wait does it say no gifts?

644
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: Impress? No gifts?

645
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Did you make this?

646
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: Uh?

647
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I googled small bracelet, alien charm, no gifts and

648
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: nothing came up, so I had to I had to

649
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: go ahead, and.

650
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that was a huge fad in the

651
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: early thousands, So all those businesses are gone, the bubble bursts,

652
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: and now you've got to make them yourself. Are you

653
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 2: a crafty person?

654
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: A little? Yeah?

655
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: What sort of crafts are you getting into?

656
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: I do a bit of sewing, and like, I guess

657
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: I've been making small bracelets. That's just a recent thing

658
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: because people have been making them for us and I've

659
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: been like, ah, I think you're into trade.

660
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Then oh that's very sweet.

661
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: And so it's been. It's been nice, very soothing, and

662
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: you can really see your progress. My friend got me

663
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: into into beating and making bracelets. But yeah, I'm super casual.

664
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, and where you're getting all the little beads

665
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: and charms.

666
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: Just from I don't know, the internet. It's all plastic.

667
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: It's terrible. That's yeah, I'm sorry.

668
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going to have an island made

669
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: of plastic, it would be nice if it looked like this,

670
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: very cute.

671
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: I agree.

672
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're going to destroy the planet, we

673
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: might as well have it be adorable. Yeah, yeah, okay,

674
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: so you're making other people are making these for you

675
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: as well.

676
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, like people. I guess I don't know if the

677
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: started with Tail Swift, but I mean its people have

678
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: been coming to shows and they kind of like throw

679
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: little brace or stage that they've made or something, and

680
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: I was yeah, and I think I was kind of

681
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 3: self conscious. I was like, Oh, we should have some

682
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: kind of making them and then.

683
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: And are you throwing them back into the audience? Yeah,

684
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: like fight after them.

685
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: It's like not like occasionally, but mostly it's I feel

686
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 3: like it's like a trade, right.

687
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this is a pretty nice thing.

688
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: No one's like getting into fist fights over that sort

689
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: of thing.

690
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I mean not that I've seen, but maybe.

691
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: Probably at Taylor Swift shows, I feel like there's the

692
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: tension is probably a little high. Everyone's energy is very

693
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: high there.

694
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I can imagine she's not allowed to throw anything

695
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: into the audience. That's I think there will be death.

696
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: There would be blood everywhere. How many of these have

697
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: you collected from fans at this point?

698
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: A few, like maybe ten. I like, I'm ready for

699
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: you now. This one says b l j T, which

700
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: is the initials for of the band. Remember John Tristan

701
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: and this one says death CAFFCUTI because it was at

702
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: the Death Cafcutie show.

703
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: Oh very nice. And then the other brace that you're

704
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: wearing is just something you're purchased.

705
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Nope, this was also someone gave it to us, but

706
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: it doesn't say anything.

707
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, where did the third one come from?

708
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember the shows and icon This.

709
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 2: Van is bawling right now.

710
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: I'm where I get right every day. Yeah, it's Do

711
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: you do any any crafting?

712
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: I'm very bad at crafts My mom and my sister

713
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: are excellent. They both like quilt, they sow, they do

714
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think within Mormonism that's a big pastime

715
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 2: and like I feel like Mormons are just naturally crafty people.

716
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: But my sister makes beautiful quilts. My mom watercolors and

717
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: quilts and will sew things. And I the one craft

718
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: I ever tried, well I was forced to make, was

719
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: in middle school. They wanted me to make a wind sock.

720
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 2: Do you know what that is? One of those fabric

721
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: tubes that hangs in the wind.

722
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can tell which way the wind is

723
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: blowing by which direction the sock is pointing.

724
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: Right, I assume that must be the practical purpose. Yeah,

725
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: but I was so bad at it. It was one

726
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: of those things where like I was so bad that

727
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: the teacher genuinely felt bad for me, was like, Oh,

728
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: he's just not capable. This is not in his skill set,

729
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: this he can't learn. So I think there was a

730
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: lot of just doing it for me, and that may

731
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: have been the end of my craft career. Oh no,

732
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: I did ceramics in high school as well. Cool, those

733
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: were hideous. All of mine ended up very ugly.

734
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: I feel like ugly pots all the rage.

735
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: That's true. I feel like that is kind of the

736
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: trend right now. May kind of a unshapely like something that's.

737
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: Very clearly homemade, you know. It's like that's like it

738
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: was almost like a status symbol. It's like this bowl

739
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: wasn't made by a sheet. It was made by terrible human.

740
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Hands, someone who was paid fairly.

741
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, and they really phoned it. I'm just kidding,

742
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: but I pay people feeling. But I feel like I

743
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: got a little bit more because I did it a

744
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: bit of sewing in high school, but and done it since.

745
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 3: But I've bought a sewing machine during the pandemic. I

746
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: was a bit self conscious because of all the other

747
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: members of my band. I've just like got all these skills,

748
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 3: like Ben does like hand woodworking stuff, like and he's

749
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: super into making things with wood, and he's built out

750
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: this little workshop of the years, and Tristan like works

751
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: on as has got this little Pugio car that he

752
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: that he works on and like wow. And then Jonathan

753
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: is really good at like I don't know, like fixing

754
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: microphones and electronics stuff and things like that. And I

755
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: was just like, Okay, well, when the apocalypse comes, I'm

756
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: gonna need to like I need to earn my what

757
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: can you provide place? And I'm like I could be

758
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: a bard, I guess, but I should have another skill.

759
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, I'll do some sewing.

760
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, after the apocalypse, you still need to be at

761
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: least a double threat, I think.

762
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like put that on my Apocalypse TV.

763
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: So have you gotten better at sewing?

764
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

765
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: What sort of stuff are you sewing?

766
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: I've like made a couple of shirts I've made I've

767
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: made three shirts and then it was all the same shirt,

768
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: but just like they I got slightly better each time.

769
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you should make band uniforms. Yeah, now the

770
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: pressure's on, so, yeah, you have no choice.

771
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to not mix the thing of turning turning

772
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 3: my hobby into my into my job, which I've already

773
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: die a nightmare.

774
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: That's a true nightmare for anyone in entertainment.

775
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's more useful for being able

777
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: to like alter stuff and like it kind of opens

778
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: up op shopping. Sorry you guys call it thrift thrifting, Yeah, thrifting. Yeah,

779
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 3: or yeah, before it's like you know, if it's a

780
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: if it's like nearly good, but you know you can

781
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 3: change it a little bit to make it for bitter.

782
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 2: Right, Oh that's a dream.

783
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: You can shutten things.

784
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Or because I'll take my like I'll buy something at

785
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: the thrift shop and take it to the tailor and

786
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: then it like quadruples and price because the tailor's not cheap.

787
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: But so I could bring that skill set into my

788
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: own life. By a sewing machine. I love pushing the pedal. Yeah,

789
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: I love the thrill of your fingers right next to

790
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: that dangerous needle.

791
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a real thrill. Dangerous every year, Like

792
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, at the school, it was like Oh, you know,

793
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: there's always one person who gets their nail, you know,

794
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 3: obliterated by the sewing needle. In one year, it was

795
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: my younger sister, so she still got little shots of

796
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: metal in her finger. It just like it went in

797
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: broke and then went out and then went back in

798
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: because it goes quick.

799
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're bringing a lot of horrible images to the

800
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: podcast today. The eye being grinded into your sister's finger.

801
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I didn't see this as a pattern, but

802
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: it clearly is.

803
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: Does she have full use of her finger?

804
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: Yep, she's all good.

805
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: Yep.

806
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 3: Shout out to my younger sister.

807
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: Wow, does she have a full nail there?

808
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the whole thing obviously it came off,

809
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: but it regrew from from scratch. She's a kid. I

810
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: guess it's pretty malleable.

811
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: That feels like what's that movie series called Final Destination

812
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: Find where everybody dies a crazy way. They should bring

813
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: a sewing machine into that, right.

814
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 3: I feel like you'd have to be doing something pretty

815
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: unsafe for it to fully kill you. It's one of

816
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: those like pulled into the sewing it sucked.

817
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: Into the Yeah, maybe you're operating like the world's largest

818
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: sewing machine and like kind of as a stunt, and

819
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: it sucks you into the giant which is clearly at

820
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: this point like a steak jamming into the ground. The

821
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: whole audience watches you get pounded to death.

822
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: Yea, they make those, They make them full like a

823
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: Jens sow through Jans You need a really big hole.

824
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: Stories told, it's like one of those What are those

825
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: things that get oil or are those called Derek's? I

826
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: want to say they're called Derek's, And if I'm right,

827
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so impressed with myself. Analyst, is the

828
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: thing that gets oiled called a Derek? Anas doesn't look hopeful?

829
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 2: I feel like a Derek is involved in oil somehow.

830
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: Maybe I just know someone named Derek that it.

831
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: Looked like that kind of go. This is the audio medium.

832
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: It says that Derek is a support structure that holds

833
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: the drilling apparatus. So I think it's kind of like

834
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: good for you, Derek. Yeah right, I.

835
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: Think it's kind of like the bird that gets the water. Right, Yeah, Okay,

836
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: that's what I was trying to called.

837
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.

838
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: Are those is that a perpetual motion machine or an

839
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: example one.

840
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: That's it.

841
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: I'm bringing up a lot of knowledge that i'm or

842
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: a lot of words that I do not know.

843
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: There's a lot of mission to have a lot of

844
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: questions that we can't answer on this podcast.

845
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: This is why I brought you here. Okay, So I've

846
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: got this little thing and it's got an alien on it.

847
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 2: What's your feeling on aliens.

848
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of feelings for aliens. I

849
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: guess have you.

850
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: Been following any of the I feel like at the

851
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 2: beginning of this year, I said something's gonna happen in

852
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: space this year, and then something's kind of happened in space,

853
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: or at least like there were like hearings on aliens,

854
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: and then there was this guy in Mexico who said

855
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: he found an alien body, and then everyone was like, no,

856
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: you didn't, that's clearly not. So maybe we're still waiting

857
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: for the big space thing to happen.

858
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm a casual

859
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: so I'll just I'll wait until it's front page news

860
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: and they'll be like click click on the article and

861
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: be like, oh, oh aliens, Ah, look at that.

862
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: I kind of I never want us to find aliens,

863
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: because I think it'll probably be an hour until they're boring.

864
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: That's the thing. Like, I feel like that's why when

865
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: you were like, oh with aliens, and I was like

866
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: I was cussed my bay back. I was like, oh, yeah,

867
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: did we find extraterrestrial life? I feel like there was

868
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: something to do with like Venus. We found like potential

869
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 3: for water on Venus or something like that, and then

870
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: just like and then I immediately forgot. So it's like

871
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 3: it clearly is not as less important to me than right.

872
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if they were discovered, it would

873
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: probably be like, realistically, thirty six hours of people tweeting

874
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: about it, and then we would move on.

875
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, and then.

876
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: The mystery is dead. We've learned nothing. Yeah, and there's

877
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: this another kind of animal on the planet. I don't know.

878
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, if aliens are listening, stop by, Yeah,

879
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: what is that? I don't want to send you back

880
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: home thinking that we're going to be disappointed, But uh,

881
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: I do you know, anytime a new species or something discovered,

882
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: I look at one, pick sure of it, then I'm

883
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: moving on. Maybe it's just the way I think. Maybe

884
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: if I was in fourth grade I would be more

885
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: excited about these sorts of things.

886
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's nice to have a new friend, I guess. Yeah.

887
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: Is there much alien culture in New Zealand? Are there

888
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 2: people like saying and we saw aliens?

889
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: Not really? No, I know it's part of the culture here.

890
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's everywhere. I mean, maybe it's just

891
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: the size of the country and the amount of open

892
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: space we have for people to just be kind of

893
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 2: alone and thinking they saw something.

894
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure they could do You do you

895
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 3: get alien jollies? I don't know. There's a lat of

896
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 3: stuff in America that I guess we don't really have.

897
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: Like on the way here, we passed so many giant

898
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 3: skeletons in people's front yards.

899
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: Oh, the twelve foot ones. Yeah, I just met one

900
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: yesterday for the first time.

901
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: Wow, that's that was a big person before they, I guess,

902
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: became a skeleton.

903
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone just living their life, doing their thing, and

904
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: now they're a decoration in someone's yard.

905
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: Yeah. I wasn't. I haven't been here I think in

906
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 3: a while while around like the lead up to Halloween,

907
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 3: and it really ship surprised me the amount of swag,

908
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 3: Like I've walked into like an enterprise car Intol and

909
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 3: there was just like all this, all this like a

910
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: fully decorated office, and I was like, this is really

911
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: this is kind of nice. Like people like who get

912
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: in costume. They weren't, unfortunately, so I did leave them

913
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: one star, of.

914
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: Course, and you've got the manager. You're now trying to

915
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: get them out of business. Yeah, and at least get

916
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: someone fired put them in.

917
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: A hot dog costume, or I will never utilize your

918
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 3: business again.

919
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: I have I think I have a Ketchup costume in

920
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: the back of my car from last Halloween when I

921
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: didn't have a costume and I asked a friend to

922
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: borrow it. Now it appears to just be mine a

923
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Ketchup costume. Ketchup. It's like a bag of a packet

924
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: of Ketchup. You can just slide over your body like

925
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: a sash. Oh, that's a very nice way to call

926
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: our trashy little things of Ketchup packet. I think it

927
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: is what we would call it. Yeah, and they're I mean,

928
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: extremely wasteful. It's about two inches long and has maybe

929
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, a hundredth of an ounce of Ketchup

930
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: in there. You have to open fifty of them to

931
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: have enough single serving.

932
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: But it's good for when you're on the go and

933
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: you just need a quickly blastom ketchup into your mouth,

934
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: like a cyclist.

935
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: To de France. Yeah, yeah, every ten miles taking your

936
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: little ketchups back? Is ketch a big in New Zealand?

937
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: Is that part of newsance?

938
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: But we call it tomato sauce.

939
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: It's confusing here because then we're thinking about the Italians.

940
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's different.

941
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: What do you call an Italian red sauce?

942
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: I don't really know. Yeah, like pomado or I don't know.

943
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: We've got we've got bollic naise.

944
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: That's delicious with meat.

945
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's not probably not a real thing,

946
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 3: but it's a it was big. It was a big

947
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: grown up.

948
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: That's a delicious sauce. I feel like it's a real thing.

949
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: It's just like mince and tomato sauce and like some

950
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: sprinkles from the.

951
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: Cabinet oregano or something. Yeah, basil lick, that's a recipe

952
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: olive oil. So you're calling it tomato sauce, which is

953
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: a waste of time so quick. Yeah, but we have

954
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: two different spellings ketchup, for sure, you call it sauce,

955
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: do you really?

956
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

957
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: Wow. So if you go to a place that you

958
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: just want sauce and they know what you're talking about,

959
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 2: well yeah.

960
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: If you ordered, say like a cup of hot chips

961
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: from from the local hotship place, and they were like,

962
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: do you want sauce, you'd say yes, and then they

963
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: would just blast it with like a they had a

964
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: big bottle sauce and they just blust all over the

965
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 3: top of the chips. So you'd have like a really

966
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 3: goody top of the chips covenant sauce and the bottom

967
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: of the chips would be completely dry. But that's all

968
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: part of the experience.

969
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: See, that's I would have a huge problem with the

970
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: sagi part. Leave it off, let me control have sagi.

971
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: This is in America. It's like you will apply your

972
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: own dressings to your meals and yeah, and you it's

973
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: like sometimes you do. Sometimes you just take what they

974
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 3: have poured over the top.

975
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 2: And say thank you. And if someone said the place

976
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 2: do you want sauce with that, the amount of things

977
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: that would go through my mind before I would get

978
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: to ketch up would it would probably be fifteen things

979
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 2: before I thought, oh, they're talking about ketchup ah, I

980
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: would think about gravy so.

981
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: Much of its context, right, like yes, like, yeah, I

982
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 3: guess it's like if I if I gave you a

983
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: play of meat loaf, it was like, do you want sauce?

984
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Now that I would be like, but what the meat

985
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: loaf sauce? What sort of sauce to be putting on

986
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: your meat loaf?

987
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: I've never really had meat loaft, but like, doesn't mean

988
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: life have tomato sauce in it?

989
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 2: Maybe what only? Maybe I'm not familiar with meat loaf

990
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: enough as ketchup being sauce in it.

991
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 3: And the Zealand loafs I'm usually bread.

992
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course bread. I feel like the only

993
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: thing that should be a loaf is bread. The media,

994
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: the moment meat becomes a loaf, I'm leaving, Yeah, it

995
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: shouldn't be.

996
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 3: The form that it came in was not good enough, right,

997
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: it needs to be able to be sliced, and but do.

998
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: Not compress any meat for me? That's oh, I guess

999
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: I eat sausage. But it's the word loaf just doesn't

1000
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: sound right to me when when like meat is involved,

1001
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: it's disgusting. We're on the same page there, Absolutely meat loaf,

1002
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: compressed meat, all the things we can talk about. What

1003
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: a life, What a life we're both living. I feel

1004
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: like we should play a game.

1005
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: Okay, we would like to play a game. Love games.

1006
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I need a number between one and ten from you.

1007
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 3: Nine.

1008
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: Okay. I have to do some light calculating to get

1009
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: our game pieces. Okay, so right now, you have the microphone.

1010
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: You can promote something, you can recommend something, you can

1011
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: say whatever you want. I'll be right back.

1012
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: Okay. Wow, it's amazing that you've gotten this far into

1013
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 3: this podcast that I'm on. My name is Liz, and

1014
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: I play in a band called The Beths, and we

1015
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 3: play kind of like guitar pop music. I guess yeah.

1016
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: We put out an album last year called Expert in

1017
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: a Dying Field, and we have been on tour this

1018
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 3: year a lot, and last year pretty constantly.

1019
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:55,479
Speaker 2: And yep, beautiful. I think that's great and the listener

1020
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: should go listen to the band. That's my recommendation for

1021
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: the week. I don't even need to recommend anything else.

1022
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: You're not familiar with The Beths. What a pleasant surprise

1023
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: for the listener. Wow, they're going to be freaking out

1024
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 2: everybody loves the baths and if you're not already on board,

1025
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't want to call you a loser,

1026
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: but that may be one of the words on my list. Okay,

1027
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: this is how we play gift. This the gamer plane

1028
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: is called gift or a Curse. So I'm gonna name

1029
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: three things. You're going to tell me if they're a

1030
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: gift or a curse and why, and then I'll tell

1031
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: you if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers.

1032
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 3: You can lose the game, okay, shameful, what do you win?

1033
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: Moment of pride?

1034
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 3: I love moment of pride.

1035
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. So the first one is from a listener

1036
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: named Karen. Karen suggested gift or a curse passengers in

1037
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: the window seat who keep the window shade closed the

1038
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: entire trip.

1039
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 3: Ah. I guess, man, I've never been so ambivalent about

1040
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: anything in my entire life. I really have to choose

1041
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: the entire flight. I guess gift Why Because if you

1042
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: have no choice about anything else about what this flight

1043
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: is and why you're there, where you're going, there's a

1044
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: chance that it might be that you want to sleep. Mmm. Interesting,

1045
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: and I'd rather have it close the whole time than

1046
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: blasting you with light the whole time.

1047
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right.

1048
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh that's so closely.

1049
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: For that reason, of course, because and also for the

1050
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: reason if I'm in the middle seat, I want to peak,

1051
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 2: but I'm not peaking. That's uncomfortable to peek over the person.

1052
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: I don't want the temptation there. I don't want the

1053
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: sun blasting in on me. Why not just have a

1054
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: quiet moment with the window closed. There's nothing interesting enough

1055
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: for me to see out the window that I need

1056
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: it open exactly. Yeah, just let me be in a calm, dark,

1057
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: quiet place for a minute.

1058
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like I feel like, most likely you just

1059
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: want to figure where you are.

1060
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: Yes, just do not remind me. I'm on an airplane,

1061
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: keep it close. If I'm at the window seat, I'm

1062
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: kind of doing everything, which is I don't know if

1063
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: people appreciate that, because if you're asleep and then the

1064
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: person opens the window, suddenly you're being blast. But that

1065
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: is the power you hold.

1066
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: That's the thing you have, that power, And like I

1067
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: feel like the middle of the day and everyone was

1068
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: sleeping and someone blasted up in the windowshed I might

1069
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 3: say something, but I still probably wouldn't.

1070
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I would promise it. I would just sit

1071
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: in silence.

1072
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1073
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: I was on a plane recently with a man whose

1074
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 2: elbow was just in my body the entire time, and

1075
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: there was nothing I could do about it. And if

1076
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: you say something, then they're mad at you, so you

1077
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: just suffer.

1078
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it's the right thing

1079
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,879
Speaker 3: to do, but it is the thing that I most

1080
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 3: consistently do.

1081
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 2: Likewise, absolutely Likewise were kindred spirits there. Okay, you've gotten

1082
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: one so far. This next one is from someone named Andy,

1083
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: and Andy suggested gift to a curse restaurant menus that

1084
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: call sandwiches hand helds.

1085
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 3: Oh curse. Why, I've never heard of that in my life,

1086
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: And it feels like sandwiches have quite a good name.

1087
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: And do tell me how to eat my sandwich. Maybe

1088
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: I want to eat it with a knife and fork

1089
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: or chopsticks or just like directly with like taking bites

1090
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: from the plate with my face. I don't know. I

1091
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: have to hold it with my hands, have.

1092
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: Your hands tied behind your back, eating it off the plate?

1093
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't usually get mad about

1094
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: calling sandwiches other things because I think that that's fine,

1095
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: But in this case, I'm furious, of.

1096
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: Course, I mean, how annoying? Why are we it's so cute,

1097
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: it's so irritating. Everyone knows what a sandwich is. Why

1098
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: are you calling it a handheld?

1099
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 3: I get, Yeah, there's a thing here right where would

1100
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: you include Burger's on that menu?

1101
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: This is the big confusion for everybody.

1102
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think put.

1103
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: A hamburger under a sandwich. I'm not gonna fight with you.

1104
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 2: That was the original name. Is that how you feel?

1105
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a cultural loaded.

1106
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 2: Question, so I oh, then let's hear it.

1107
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 3: I feel like the word burger means a different thing here,

1108
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: like it means the meat, does it?

1109
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Well, if I ordered a burger, it's a sand or

1110
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: a burger sandwich.

1111
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 3: That's true, But like no one orders a chicken burger here,

1112
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: and you.

1113
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: Can actually weirdly okay, but that's rare because it ends

1114
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: up being like ground chicken turned into a paddy.

1115
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. And it's like I feel like

1116
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: a burger is like that style of like hot sandwich

1117
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: with a hot meat, So like a chicken burger would

1118
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: just be what you call a chicken sandwich.

1119
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: It's and even if it was like a like a

1120
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 2: piece of chicken, you would call that a chicken burger.

1121
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, just be a chicken burger or like a veggie

1122
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: burger or like a you know, a lamburger or something,

1123
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: or a steak burger. Like.

1124
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, so we do have like turkey burger, we

1125
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: have lamburger, but it's always grounds.

1126
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the I think the difference everything. Yeah, and interesting,

1127
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: it's just like if it's between a burger, if it's

1128
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: on a burger bun, it's a burger.

1129
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: You've got to get into more detail there. That gets

1130
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: confused saying if I order a lamb sandwich, I'm assuming

1131
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: it's gonna be oh now, oh no, I would have

1132
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: to order a lamb sandwich, not a lamburger.

1133
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: That's the thing. If you go to McDonald's, everything is

1134
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: a burger in New Zealand. Wow, it's like the mc

1135
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: chicken burger and like the file of fish burger. It's

1136
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 3: everything there would be a burger because it's like burger shaped, right,

1137
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: It's like a yeah, maybe that's what it is. Like,

1138
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: it's like the Platonic idea of a burger looks a

1139
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 3: certain way, and if it resembles that.

1140
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: Your picture in your mind.

1141
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like round on top ish you know if

1142
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: it's square not a burger.

1143
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: Well, now that's that. There's a chain of restaurants in

1144
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: America called Wendy's that serves square hamburgers.

1145
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the bunner's round, and that's a burger.

1146
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: Then it's hanging off the edge. I don't know what

1147
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: their logic is. I wonder if it's cheaper or.

1148
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: I hope that they're putting the cheese, the square cheese

1149
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: directly on top of the square.

1150
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: Ooh, interesting, but.

1151
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: I don't think they are. We have Windys too, or

1152
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 3: you do have Wendy's. Yeah, yeah, I know Wendy Okay.

1153
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: Wendy's is. I haven't been there in a while. I

1154
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: don't mind a Wendy's, be totally honest with you.

1155
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 3: I used to enjoy it.

1156
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: They have a spicy chicken sandwich there. There you go

1157
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: pretty good. Not it's an underrated sandwich.

1158
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 3: All right.

1159
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: What do you order at Wendy's.

1160
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: Uh, A frosty and fry.

1161
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: Oh, of course everybody loves that.

1162
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: Do you dip? Do you are you like a soft serve?

1163
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: Or I will, but not the entire time. I'll eat

1164
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: most of my French fries kind of as the savory thing,

1165
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 2: and then towards the end, we're getting into dessert and

1166
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: I'm dipping. I'm enjoying. Are you the whole time?

1167
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: I'm the whole time? Like that's the whole event. Like

1168
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: that's like the meal is like if I could, like

1169
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: I would, I would have it, play it and I

1170
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 3: would pull fries on it and then like spaghetti ball

1171
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: and as the frosty will go on top and I'll

1172
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: just be ating that with the fuck is there?

1173
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, is there a like proportionally

1174
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 2: is there enough fry to frosty where like you finish

1175
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: and they're both gone, or you like there's still frosty

1176
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: left over.

1177
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 3: I don't know. This is the balance. This is the

1178
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 3: game that you play with anything. I guess it's like

1179
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: trying to get the ratio exactly right. Oh, the last

1180
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: doing this, the last bite is the correct right.

1181
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: Works takes over every meal where I'm like, well, I

1182
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: want to have a little bit of everything.

1183
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, don't talk to me working on something.

1184
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 2: Well, ultimately, what we have to do is just agree

1185
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: on Handheld's being a bad idea. Okay, this is your

1186
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: final one. You've gotten two out of three so far,

1187
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 2: so be very careful here because you could win the game,

1188
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: and very few people have won the game. Oh, Rachel.

1189
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: Listener Rachel has suggested when doctors say you're doing great

1190
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: during a procedure, gift a curse. Gift or a curse?

1191
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, gift why? Because I love praise, I

1192
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: just wouldn't mean to tell that I'm doing a good

1193
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: job in my life.

1194
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: Oh, Liz, as much as I'd love to tell you

1195
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: you're doing a great job, You've absolutely flopped here. It's

1196
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: a curse because the moment we're in the middle of

1197
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: this procedure, they're telling me I'm doing great, and now

1198
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: I have to do better. I have to at least

1199
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: maintain the greatness or better. The pressure is on, and

1200
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: I'm probably going to cause an injury or something. Make

1201
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: me think I'm doing a bad job the entire time,

1202
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: so I perform best. Okay, This is how maybe how

1203
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: I operate my entire life, where I'm just constantly wondering

1204
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: am I doing a good job? The moment you're someone

1205
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: says you're doing a job. Now, I'm confused.

1206
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: Do you like? When do you so you do? When

1207
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 3: do you want the feedback before when you put it

1208
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: on my tombstone?

1209
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: Just like report card, Bridgerie did a great job. Until then,

1210
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: I can't have praise, at least directly. It gets a

1211
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: little the stakes become way too high, and I want

1212
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to let anybody, anybody down because I

1213
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: didn't know I was making anyone happy.

1214
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm getting it now.

1215
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 2: Who knows? But uh, you've got two out of three,

1216
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: which is not bad.

1217
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 3: Famously, two o three an't bad, need bad.

1218
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: It's a good sixty six percent, which you get to

1219
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: take home with you. Okay, this is the final segment

1220
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: of the podcast. It's called I said no emails. People

1221
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: are writing in too, I said no gifts at gmail

1222
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: dot com. They're in a panic, they're freaking out. They

1223
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: need answers. The only person they can turned to his

1224
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: may of course, and you, of course, so call you

1225
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: help me answer a question. Okay, let's look at this.

1226
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: We're getting into the duck. Okay, here we go. High

1227
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: Bridger an incredibly attractive guest. That's very nice. What an assumption.

1228
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 3: Wow.

1229
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 2: I started a new job four months ago and The

1230
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: business is doing a Secret Santa gift exchange for Christmas?

1231
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Secret Santa? Names were randomly drawn

1232
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: and I got my manager. We have had a good

1233
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: relationship since he is the one that hired me, and

1234
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 2: I believe he has my best professional interests at heart.

1235
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: But I don't know too much about him personally. I

1236
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: want to gift him something that will cement my place

1237
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: as his favorite person on the sales team. Oh boy,

1238
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: about him. He's gay and married. He has a dog.

1239
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: He wakes up at four am to exercise and goes

1240
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: to bed at seven thirty pm. Okay, we're getting red flags.

1241
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: He loves candy and desserts. He's in de fancy skincare treatments.

1242
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: The budget is twenty five dollars, Thank you so much,

1243
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: and that's from Bay.

1244
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 3: Twenty five dollars. Oh man, that's hard.

1245
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: Do you think that's too little?

1246
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess it's probably good. It's good

1247
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 3: to have limitations.

1248
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: What would you say is a good Secret Santa number?

1249
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess it's like for a work

1250
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 3: thing where it's for someone you potentially don't know. I

1251
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: don't know. Yeah, forty bucks maybe forty bucks or twenty

1252
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: five bucks is worth more here?

1253
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: Sorry?

1254
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what's the exchange current?

1255
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: That is about forty bucks?

1256
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 2: Oh so it is about for him? There you go,

1257
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: thank you.

1258
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: What's on unique number?

1259
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay? So forty dollars New Zealand?

1260
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, man, that's really hard. I don't know if

1261
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: managers should be in the in the secret setting.

1262
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: Right, because this person's playing a game with their employees

1263
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 2: that I am not comfortable with. Yeah, there's a power

1264
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: dynamic of play.

1265
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 3: And the expectation with Secret Center is that you reveal yourself, right.

1266
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're revealing a little bit about yourself and what

1267
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: you think of the person.

1268
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, because could you just like remain a secret?

1269
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, But I guess.

1270
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: This person wants to make a good impression, so they

1271
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 3: want to write. They want them to know who sit

1272
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: in the gift.

1273
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: Although with Secret Sanda, you watch the person open the gift,

1274
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 2: You watch their face very carefully. If they seem disappointed,

1275
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: you just never well yeah, you just never reveal yourself.

1276
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: Let that remain a mystery forever, kind of like the

1277
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: zodiac or something. Decades later, they're still looking into it.

1278
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 2: No one ever knows, but if it's if they're happy,

1279
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: even if they weren't your person, you claim it.

1280
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: Ah, that's a great idea.

1281
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 2: And then the other employee that says no, it was me,

1282
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: you call them a liar.

1283
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 3: Hmmm.

1284
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: And now there's you know, no one knows what's going on.

1285
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: Maybe you get them two prisons. Have you got two ideas?

1286
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: And then they open both and you just whichever one

1287
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 3: they're like more. You're like, oh, that's the one I

1288
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 3: got you. I don't know who got you there, that

1289
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 3: shitty one that's so bad that other prison, or.

1290
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: You have the good one, like as a backup in

1291
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: your office, and if they seem disappointed, you say, oh,

1292
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: that one was a joke.

1293
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. The begain persons is so hard,

1294
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: even when you've listened all these interests that this person

1295
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: has and that they have like kids and they like

1296
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: to sleep at crazy hours. Like it's man and a

1297
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: dog a dog, you'd think, like I think would be

1298
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: like easy to go for the dog. It's like if

1299
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: they clearly like the dog, right, then you know you

1300
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: get a little treat for the dog. I don't know,

1301
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: little hat.

1302
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: The dog is such an easy target. Yeah, because everyone

1303
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 2: loves a little yeah sweater for the dog, or you

1304
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 2: have somebody paint a picture of it on Etsy. Yeah. Yeah,

1305
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: you covertly go to their house and take photos of it,

1306
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: and then they're terrified.

1307
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 3: Everybody wants a T shirt with a dog on it.

1308
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh, that's not a bad idea print, right, And then

1309
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: fancy skincare treatments not a possibility with twenty five dollars.

1310
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 2: Those are all fifty dollars or more candy and desserts.

1311
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 2: That's kind of a downer. It's like, who cares?

1312
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: You could maybe do something with the skin, because there

1313
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: are things that like, uh, should be two dollars that

1314
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: you could probably get a twenty five dollars version. I

1315
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 3: don't know, like how much is like a face mask

1316
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: or something like a very nice lip bomb?

1317
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: Oh, lip bomb? There we go. That feels like if

1318
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: you're paying twenty five dollars for a lip bomb, it's

1319
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: got everything you need. Yeah, it's got supplements, it's plumping

1320
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: your lip, this kind of thing. It's got an SPF

1321
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: of sixty. Although giving somebody a lip treat, your boss

1322
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: a lip care thing, I don't know if that's.

1323
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: Sign I've been thinking about your mouth.

1324
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: Right, that's what you're right in the card. I can't

1325
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: stop thinking about your mouth, and then your the job

1326
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: will just be nothing but roses from then on. Yeah,

1327
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 2: perfect workplace dynamic.

1328
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really hot. This is all the questions

1329
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: that come in about gifts.

1330
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: Most of them, although I'm encouraging recently just asking anything.

1331
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: You know, why not. If you're so desperate, you should

1332
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: ask whatever you want, get in here and ask. But

1333
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: then we give such perfect answers that I think people

1334
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: are tempted, Oh I need this gift advice, like I

1335
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: should give flip care to my boss. Uh.

1336
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no way that could go wrong. That's perfect.

1337
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: You should be rubbing their shoulders while they open the gift.

1338
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: That's probably the one thing you should be doing, just

1339
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: to make sure they're comfortable.

1340
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: Heavy breathing.

1341
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we answered it perfectly. Okay, good, and no

1342
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 2: one can complain. The manager is going to be thrilled.

1343
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: Saying that I did a good I'm doing great.

1344
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: You did an excellent job. I would say, just think

1345
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 2: that's fantastic. And now I've got this little gift, which

1346
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: is so sweet, and I'll wear it and think of

1347
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: you and the band, which is so incredible, and you

1348
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 2: guys are going to vanish for a while. I assume

1349
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: you're going to go probably make new music.

1350
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to just like you just have to

1351
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 3: keep doing that, don't you. It's like you make something

1352
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: good and you're like, is this enough? Yeah, I still

1353
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: have to continue to work for the rest of my life.

1354
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 2: You should have to do one project and then you

1355
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 2: get to That's how everything should be. It's like I think,

1356
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: like working out, you should go to work out for

1357
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 2: twelve hours one day and then you should be done

1358
00:59:58,800 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 2: with it.

1359
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: So annoying that you have to keep doing it forever.

1360
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 2: It's terrifying, absolutely terrifying. When you guys start a new album,

1361
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: is it right after you finish the last or do

1362
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: you give yourself a break?

1363
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: I have, uh, let's call it given myself a break.

1364
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 3: I have not really managed to write a song in

1365
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 3: like every year.

1366
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: So say the pressure and it builds and builds and builds,

1367
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: builds and builds.

1368
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 3: It's and I just need to let myself write a

1369
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 3: real bad song. Just to write a bad one. It's

1370
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 3: okay to write a bad one. I have to be

1371
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: allowed to write a bad one so that I can

1372
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: I can break the seal.

1373
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: And then it can become like a novelty or a

1374
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: B side or something.

1375
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1376
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me pitch you an idea that I think

1377
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: if I were in a band, I would do. Okay,

1378
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: every time I released a new album, I would include

1379
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: a song from the last album kind of in the

1380
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: production style of the new album. It's like a bridge

1381
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: to the new album.

1382
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 3: That's interesting.

1383
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just throwing that up for every band.

1384
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: Or maybe that sound like the B side to the single. Yeah,

1385
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I'm constantly thinking of ways bands

1386
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: can do things, even though I don't play.

1387
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 3: Music really really and ideas I just post.

1388
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: I'm an ideas person first. Yeah, everything else is like

1389
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 2: a distant ten thousand. All my other skills fall far

1390
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: away from think my ideas. But I'm throwing that out

1391
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: for you. Could be you could innovate. That's all I'm saying.

1392
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: It's a great thought.

1393
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being here. You've got one final

1394
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 2: show tonight. I hope you enjoy the rest of your

1395
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: time in Los Angeles. Thank you, and I'll put this

1396
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: on and go about my life. Listener, the podcast is over.

1397
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: As you've just heard from my conversation with Liz. You

1398
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: can move on, you cannot move on, and you know

1399
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: blame me. You can do whatever you want. I have

1400
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a lot of controls. Sometimes I have

1401
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: very little. Today I'm giving you control. I love you, goodbye.

1402
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: I said, no Gifts is an exactly right production. It's

1403
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: produced by our dear friend Analise Nilson and beutifully mixed

1404
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: by Ben Holliday. And we couldn't do it without our

1405
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: guest booker Patrick Cottner. The theme song, of course, could

1406
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: only come from miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow

1407
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: the show on Instagram at I said no gifts. I

1408
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get

1409
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.

1410
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?

1411
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 2: He lie invit?

1412
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 3: Did you hear?

1413
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: Thunna made myself perfectly clear.

1414
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: But you're a guest to.

1415
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: You gotta come to me empty And I said, no guests.

1416
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: Your presences presents enough. I'm already too much stuff.

1417
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 3: So how do you dad to survey me