1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Yo Boulet keV show Man. We got a special guest 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: in here. Eighteen year NBA veteran Damn Trevor Rees is 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: a legend all right, man, Look I'm a Suns fan 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: if you could tell by the signed Devin Booker Jersey 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: behind you. 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: Okay, but books in the building, I have to ask 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: you about this. 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Just to kick the interview off, you will have a 9 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: random cup of tea in Phoenix for a year. 10 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Yep. 11 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: And this was the year we drafted DeAndre Aiden's. 12 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: A couple of months. 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was quick because I think did you end 14 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: up in the Kings after that? 15 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 16 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I've been in a lot of places, so 17 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: I think I did end up in Sack after that, So. 18 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: This was like, uh No, I didn't. I was in 19 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: DC after that. Yeah. 20 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: This was like a weird year because the Sons drafted 21 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: DeAndre Aiden passed on Lukadankic despite having Igor as the coach. 22 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: Igor didn't last very long. But you come in to 23 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: kind of be the veteran hypothetically like all these young brothers. 24 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: I think Josh Jackson's on the team. Was there any 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: like blowback in the building or how do people feel 26 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: about them picking Da over Luca, considering they had Luca's 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: national coach as the coach of the Sons. 28 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: When I was there, I didn't really I didn't really 29 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: hear none of that, you know, because I wasn't there 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: before they drafted, you know, so after they drafted, they 31 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: I believe they just I don't even know. Honestly, I 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 3: can't tell you about if there was blowback or anything, 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: but ship if Luca would have been there, I probably 34 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: would have been there. So you know, you know, thank you. 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: How was How was? 36 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Because that's kind of like the beginning of like Alpha book. 37 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I felt. 38 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Like the bubble year comes and then you know, we 39 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: go undefeated, Like what was your just limited time around 40 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: Booker as a teammate. 41 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: I watched book work his ass off. I watched him, 42 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: you know, continue to try to find ways to be 43 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: as good as he can. I saw him out work everybody, 44 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: and you know, he just that want to take his 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: take the next step in his career at that time 46 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: was very very like he was pressing for that, like 47 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 3: he wanted that and not pressing in a bad way, 48 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: but he wanted every moment. He wanted to be in 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: every moment where it all fell on his shoulders. 50 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's dope. Man. 51 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: Now you got this event happening back home. Yeah, Turks 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: July thirty first, that's next weekend. This is dope, man. 53 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even know you were from Turks. 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know that. I don't really 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 3: talk that much, so you know, a lot of people 56 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: wouldn't know that unless they knew me. 57 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were the first guy to like, I know, 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: your dad was like a really popping basketball player there, right, 59 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: but like you're the first guy to make it to 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: like one of the major leagues. 61 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: First, and so far the only one, right, So we're 62 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: trying to change that narrative. 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: Now. 64 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: Well, I always wonder when you're coming up in a 65 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: place like that, like you were talking about the ads 66 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: from the Bahamas, I would like, like there's probably the 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: uphill battle to get into just the world of like 68 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: professional basketball has to be so much greater because you're 69 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: so you're far away, like like what was that journey like? 70 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: So for me, Well, I was born in Miami. 71 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: You know, both of my parents, my whole family's from 72 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: Turks and Keekos, but usually around I guess my time 73 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: even now a lot of a lot of the parents 74 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: try to have their kids be born in the States 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: or the UK. 76 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 2: That makes sense. 77 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: Just more opportunities and and you know, a bigger world 78 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: for lack of better words, and more opportunities to be 79 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: able to to go into whatever field that there is 80 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: out there for you. 81 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: That's dope, man. 82 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: What is the breakdown this weekend though, Like, yeah, I'm 83 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: obviously gonna be a lot of a lot of your 84 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: homies go. 85 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So this weekend, it's going to be a 86 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: lot of athletes. They're golfing with me for that for 87 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: that initiative. They like to golf a lot of them. 88 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: But we're doing like different activations. We're trying to combine 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: the community with a lot of the local business leaders 90 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: and also do activations in sports and basketball. That's something 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 3: that got me. The platform that I do, got got 92 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: me the notoriety that I do have. And I always 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 3: just thought that if I was able to be able 94 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: to make it to where I made it to, there 95 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 3: has to be more people from where I'm from that 96 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: could do the same thing or even take it further. 97 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 3: So you know, being able to come back and show 98 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: them just things that I learned over my way over 99 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 3: my journey. 100 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: Is more than important. 101 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Is it also like important to try to get the 102 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: resources out there for up and coming athletes have a pipeline. 103 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 104 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: I feel like the AAU world makes. 105 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 2: It like. 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: It's expensive. 107 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 108 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: I know your son is he goes to Orgon. 109 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. I have a son that goes to Oregon here. 110 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I got a son who does 111 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: AAU tournaments. We just went to Vegas for a tournament 112 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: and that shit, Like I was like, bro, we spent 113 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 1: like three thousands. 114 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's just one tournament. That's for the whole summer. 115 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 3: You could be spending twenty twenty five thousand. 116 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 117 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: You know. 118 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: So for kids that don't have that ability or is 119 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: not can afford that, where do they go? 120 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: What do they do? 121 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 3: And being from a small island like Turce and Kekos 122 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: where the resources are limited in that way given trying 123 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: to find ways to bring more resources and give them 124 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: the opportunity the same way as we had here or 125 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 3: the same way that I was afforded. I feel like 126 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 3: that's a duty of mine. 127 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. I am the biggest 128 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: Warriors hater and in the twenty eighteen season, or the playoffs. 129 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: I finally thought they were done. I was like, Chris 130 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: Paul gets injured. You as the Rockets are having this crazy, 131 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: just crazy run, CP goes down obviously heartbreaking, man. I 132 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: think if he would have gotten injured, things probably would 133 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: have gone different. 134 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: When you agree with that absolutely. 135 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: You go zero for nine from the three, Yeah, I 136 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: think you guys missed thirty seven three pointers in Game seven. 137 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 2: That shit is crazy. 138 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: It was what I was sitting in a pool in Scottsdale, Arizona, 139 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: and I was just like, what is if y'all would 140 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: have made five more than formal s man? 141 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: To be honest with you, that shit was like. So 142 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: they have like this like. 143 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: Sometimes when you train in when you shoot, they have 144 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 3: like this thing that you put on the rim that 145 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 3: makes the rim a little bit smaller. So in order 146 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: for the ball for you to make the shot, it 147 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: got to be it gotta be perfect. I feel like 148 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: one of those Liz was on that on the second 149 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: half of the game. 150 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know what's so crazy is I feel 151 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: like Darryl Moury and Mike D'Antoni were right, like they 152 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: built the team. Like Darryl Morriy always said he was 153 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: like building the team to beat the Warriors. 154 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: It's just the Yeah, we had opportunities to beat them, 155 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: but again, you know the basketball guys, wasn't they wasn't 156 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: they wasn't feeling us at that point in time. It 157 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: was something that we must have did wrong in the 158 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 3: beginning of the season to prepare for that. 159 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: So when you. 160 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: Look back at him, because obviously you've had some incredible 161 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: teams you've been a part of, obviously two thousand and 162 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: nine one in the ship with the Lakers, But do 163 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: you feel like that Rockets team was the best team 164 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: you were on. 165 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: Man, it's probably one of the best teams, like, but 166 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: statistically probably the best team. 167 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: Because you had hard and MVP season right yeah, yeah, 168 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: CP cooking yeah, and just. 169 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: Just shooters Pat Wait, Pat wasn't there. 170 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: We had the PJ Tucker center year. 171 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: Tuck was there Loop yep, myself. Those are three pieces 172 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 3: that you could just you could just move around. Then 173 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: you had Clint back there, young Clint Capella, who could guard, 174 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: you know, a live threat protect the rim. Then you 175 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: had nine coming in. He switched who switched it up, 176 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: switched up styles when he came in a game, very 177 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: aggressive on defense, very smart, able to you know, uh 178 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: kind of quarterback the defense. And then we had Jeff Bisdelick, 179 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't really know who was 180 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: one of the defensive coaches. Who was he coached with 181 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: with what's his name George Carl for a long time, right, 182 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 3: and he just was brilliant and he brought in, you know, 183 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: our schemes with with our personnel and the combination of 184 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: what we had him and coach D'Antoni for the offense, 185 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: it was like we had all the tools necessary to 186 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: win a championship. We just again fucked around and went cole. 187 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: Did you because it always felt like there was a 188 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: real disdain between the Rockets and Warriors for like two 189 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: or three seasons. Did you guys really feel some type 190 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: of way about the Warriors? 191 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: I feel like you would feel the way if somebody 192 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: kicked your ass every day, right, you know. And we 193 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: were a team that we are confident, We had a 194 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 3: good time. We we cared for each other, and we 195 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: covered for each other on the court, and you know, 196 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: we weren't a bad team as well, so we felt 197 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 3: like we could beat them. 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Man, Thank me later. Is 237 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: there something, because like I feel like CP gets Depending 238 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: on who you ask, he is a very He's a 239 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: polarizing guy in the league. Like some people who play 240 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: with him, they like they have negative things. But then 241 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: there's other people who play with him that are like, yo, 242 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: he was, but it always felt like when he was 243 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: with the Suns on our championship run. Yeah, that in 244 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: the final two or three minutes of the game, there 245 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: was a calmness because he had the ball. 246 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 247 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: I mean you for his game and what he's done. 248 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 3: I mean, when is the last time that Phoenix went 249 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 3: to out. 250 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: The play well, yeah, before that it was two thousand 251 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, I think it was twenty eleven. 252 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 253 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: And then he gets there and they go to the 254 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: finals when it's the last time they've been to the 255 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: finals probably only once too, right, ninety three or. 256 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: Something free with the Bulls against the Bulls. 257 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So if one player can come in and change 258 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: your organization and help get to those in those moments, 259 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: I mean, can you argue with. 260 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, how can you argue with that? 261 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: I always told people, like the Thunder year, when you 262 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: went to the Thunder and it was supposed to be 263 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: a throwaway year and he got him like the four 264 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: or five seed. 265 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: And look and look what that turned into. That get 266 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: a cornerstone franchise superstar player to shape them. Same thing 267 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: that I feel like happened with Book, but got around him, 268 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: learned the ways that he was able to teach and 269 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 3: book was able to be the player that he needed 270 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 3: to be as far as that that killer to go 271 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: out there and score and play his game, you know, 272 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: the way that he needs to be for that franchise 273 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: to be as good as they were at that time. 274 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: You know, he changes a lot of careers. 275 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: You have played for some of the greatest coaches of 276 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: all time. I always wonder you get traded midway well, 277 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: the next season, your second year in the league, you 278 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: get traded, did you how how much did you actually 279 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: get to be around Larry Brown? 280 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: I was around Larry Brown from when he started in 281 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: the Knicks for the Knicks until I was out of there. 282 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: Because when did you get traded? 283 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: Was it mid February? 284 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: So February so it was kind of midway through the 285 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: season break. Yeah, so round the trade deadline was Because 286 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: I always wonder the contrast of like a guy like 287 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Phil Jackson who always is like woos and then you 288 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: got Larry Brown, who's like just angry, but they're both incredible, 289 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: like both all time great coaches. 290 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 3: In the In the moment, PJ is like he knows 291 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: how to I believe he does a really good job 292 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: of managing personalities because there's a system that's already in place. 293 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 3: The only thing you gotta do is continue to learn 294 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: the system and work so being able to manage like 295 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: big egos and superstar players and make them mesh well 296 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 3: with role players or players that don't play that much. 297 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 3: To get to get the most out of everybody, I 298 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 3: feel like you got to be a great like manipulator 299 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: of man how to. 300 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: Deal with people's egos. And he obviously dealt with all 301 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: kinds of big threes and Rodman and let Rodman go 302 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: to Vegas for a night. 303 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: You gotta know your you gotta know what how you're 304 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: gonna get the best out of your players. And if 305 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 3: that's what it takes, then that's what it takes. At 306 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's about the results, right, 307 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: no matter how you get there, it's just a results. 308 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: And I feel like Coach Brown. Coach Brown was like 309 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: he's going to every day, He's going to pound on 310 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: what you need to do or how we need to 311 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: get it done. And you don't realize how good of 312 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 3: a of a mote evader he is until you go 313 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: somewhere else. You know, you don't even understand how important 314 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: he is until you're you're now in his position or 315 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 3: you're trying to teach other younger players. Yeah, exactly. 316 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: Damn that's what the was talking about, because. 317 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: That had that had to be a wild locker room. 318 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: It was like Steph Marbury, Steady Curry like, Yeah, it 319 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: was like it was like a lot of it was. 320 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: That was one of those Nix seasons that I'm sure 321 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Knicks fans would like to forget about. So tell me. Okay, 322 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: so you end up you're with the Magic and stan 323 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: Van Gundy and then you get traded to the Lakers 324 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: and then you help the Lakers beat the Magic in 325 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: the finals. 326 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: That was a good moment for me personally. 327 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,239 Speaker 1: I can imagine you have a chip on your shoulder. 328 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 329 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: I've always had a chip on my shoulder though, right 330 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: from the beginning of my career. I've always had like 331 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: these people just don't understand like what I can do, right, 332 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 3: So being able to play the team that didn't believe that, Yeah, 333 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 3: and maybe even they maybe it wasn't the fact that 334 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: they didn't believe that I could help their team, it's 335 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 3: just the fact that maybe the players that were that 336 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: were there at the time just fit what he liked 337 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: better than what I could do at that point in time. 338 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you end up having these two clutch steals 339 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: in the game, and like being such an integral part 340 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: of that team. You were damn near like the Scottie 341 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Pippen of that team, like if you will, like it 342 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: was a bit it was it was like I feel 343 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: like that was like you're coming out party too right now? 344 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: Like now that turned you into like a household name. 345 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 346 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: Well, I mean playing for the Lakers, you're pretty you know, 347 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: and getting You're on a big stage. So if you 348 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: if you play well and you know you you play 349 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: hard and you receive you're received well around the world 350 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: because the Lakers is such a high profile organization. 351 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: I saw you say that Kobe's won a Lebron's one 352 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: b all time. 353 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: Is that is that when you don't count Jordan's okay, when. 354 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: You don't count Jordan, so you think Jordan, we're putting 355 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: Jordan number one. 356 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan is not even he don't count. 357 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: He doesn't count. 358 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: He's like, Jordan doesn't count. 359 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, what is the okay? Because Lebron's going to he 360 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: just went to Philly, right, which I don't think a 361 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: lot of people expected, But what would Lebron have to 362 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: do because he is on this unprecedented stretch of I 363 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: think it's year twenty two now. 364 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: Twenty four, which is fucking that is nuts. That's cool, though, 365 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 3: I want to see him get to twenty five. No, 366 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: nobody ain't gonna never Cach. 367 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm just curious, like for you, as somebody who went 368 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: up against him and somebody who played with Kobe, what 369 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: more does he have to do for people to be like, Nah, 370 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: he's the goat. 371 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: I don't. 372 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 3: I just I think everybody has their own like personal 373 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: preference on what they like. It ain't about who's who 374 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: because they all are different. The most comparable players, I 375 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: guess would be Kobe, Kobe and Jordan because their. 376 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: Game was similar. 377 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but bron game is completely different things their games. 378 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: We haven't really seen anybody at that level of greatness 379 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: be able to do so much at such a high level. 380 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a lot of different things, and he 381 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: does all the small things too that maybe your eighth 382 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 3: or nine man would do, and he still makes the 383 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 3: spectacular plays that your superstar would do. 384 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on him choosing Philly and 385 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: how do you think that's gonna pan. 386 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: Out, Well, I got like I have interest like different 387 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 3: type of views. For a number of reasons. I think 388 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 3: their team is going to be really good because again 389 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 3: Bron is still Lebron James. He does a lot of 390 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: different things, just had a great season, and he doesn't 391 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: have to be like your main Yeah, he doesn't score, 392 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: he don't got to be your main anything with the 393 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: guys you got, But the way he drives the game 394 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: and like the business parts of it, I feel. 395 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: Like he was cheated a little bit. 396 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: Why and because he's a huge draw to the game, 397 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: Like how much money do you feel like he's created 398 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 3: for the game for the. 399 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: NBA billions and billions and billions of dollars. 400 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: And probably still going to create billions. 401 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: And it's always said the right things. 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Shout to them, man, 422 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: all right, salute to the family. Follow them on Instagram. 423 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: Harding Underscore Las Vegas. Sorry, let's get back to the podcast. 424 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: So why do you feel like Lebron was cheated with this? 425 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: Okay, So there's there's two parts to this, right. There's 426 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 3: the player, the competitor, and then there's the business man. Right, 427 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: So as players like emotionally we be like into the game, 428 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 3: into the players that you play with. But then like 429 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: there's a business side to it right and understanding, like 430 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: worse than what you are and what you bring. There's 431 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 3: a value on that, right, regardless of how old you are, 432 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: how long you've been doing something, there's a value for that. 433 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: Yeah too, you know from me just personally, him planning 434 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: for whatever for me they publicized. I'm not sure if 435 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: that's the right one. 436 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: So so you think, because you know you, I think 437 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: he said he was going to sacrifice a payday. 438 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: For he fucking did. That's huge. 439 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. You get him on essentially a minimum. 440 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: It's not quite the minimum, but it's it's right there. Yeah, 441 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy. 442 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: That's crazy. 443 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: But again, and then then you look at the Lakers 444 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: and you're like, what what happened there? Where he could 445 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: like he because if he had tooken a pay cut 446 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: with the Lakers, they probably could have still had the Kessler. 447 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: Bro Like, nah, it wasn't it was. It probably was 448 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 3: time for him to to move on. 449 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could kind of tell they're like just full 450 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: Luka mode. Whatever you want, man, they would have got 451 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: a center. 452 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, it was just probably time 453 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: for him to move on. It just it's kind of 454 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 3: crazy to see like someone like that playing or taking 455 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: a business, like the business part of it kind of 456 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 3: feiling like that. And I'm not even saying that it's 457 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: a fail, but it's just it just don't add up 458 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: for what he is and what he does. 459 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the other thing that sucks is we're 460 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: in this second apron like salary cap era where like 461 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: players really like a guy like Lou Dort gets traded 462 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: for four second round picks and he was on first NBA. 463 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: Defense last year. 464 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what is but they can't afford to 465 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: keep everybody? 466 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: I know, that's crazy. 467 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: Do you feel like the new salary cap rules are 468 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: squeezing out vets? 469 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 2: I've been doing it for a long time. 470 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: Because a guy like Russell Westbrook is still not on 471 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: a team. And it happened last year too. 472 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 2: That's my point, Like wait. 473 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: A minute, yeah, like what he's done for the league, 474 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: nobody has done production wise too. Nobody has done that, 475 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 3: Like he. 476 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: Was looking nice on the Kings last year. 477 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 3: Like nobody is doing what he's doing, and like the 478 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 3: narrative that's being put and he's not even a bad dude, 479 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. He's always giving back, he's 480 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 3: always helping his teammates. He's always trying to find ways 481 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 3: to make his teammates better, regardless of you know, things 482 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 3: that people highlight about what may be a deficiency, but 483 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 3: still every player has a deficiency. Look at his production, 484 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: look at what he's doing. 485 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: What do you think Because you were on the Russell 486 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: Westbrook Laker team. 487 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: That was your final year, yep, that was my last year? 488 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: What went wrong there? 489 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: I mean everything went wrong. Everybody's old at ship on 490 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: the team. It was it's just putting together a bunch 491 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: of players that you know, were really really good at 492 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 3: a point in time when you. 493 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: Got hell coming off the bench. It was just like 494 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: a in theory. It felt like it was supposed to 495 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: be like an expandable What was what's the name of 496 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: that movie with like Sylvester Stallone and yeah, expandables. 497 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I mean. 498 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: Just looked miserable though. I was like, oh man, this 499 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: is just just not working. It was like a basketball 500 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: fit thing. 501 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 3: Everybody play inside the paint, So when there's no space 502 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: inside the paint, how do you You can't really, you 503 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: can't tell Russ who is the point guard, to go 504 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 3: stand in the corner and expect them to shoot forty percent. 505 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: He don't got no rhythm to the game. 506 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: He's crazy too, because they got Malik Monk that you're 507 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: on the on the minimum and then after that Malik 508 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: left him went crazy. 509 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: Malik's a really good player. 510 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: He's really good. Yeah, what if you had to tell 511 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: me what what? Because you like we talked about the coaches. 512 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: Thing you've played for Mike d'An TONI, you've played for 513 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: Spoe for a second. 514 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Spo Phil. 515 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: What is your I'm sure for different reasons, but but 516 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: but which coach was your favorite? Not necessarily your best 517 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: coach that you ever had, but your favorite. 518 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: I got two favorites. 519 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 3: Rick Adaman was one, Okay, he was really good my 520 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: first time in Houston, yep. And my second favorite is Money. 521 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: Williams money Man. 522 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Money is really good, a great person, a great guy. 523 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: And his exit. I don't think there's anybody, even the 524 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: best coaches who x'es and O's was as like on 525 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 3: point as his. 526 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Money thing is like worked in Phoenix until 527 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: it didn't. You you you guys had you were there, 528 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: like what with the Pelicans? 529 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 2: Yea, the Hornets. 530 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: So it was his first year we went the three, 531 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: we went to the playoffs second round, first or second round. 532 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: We played the Lakers. Jared Jack Jared Jack was on 533 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 3: that team, No p J. 534 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: Brown. 535 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 3: So the second year, the team is in the middle 536 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: of getting so so the CP ends up leaving. 537 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Are you there? When the trade gets vetoed. 538 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 3: D West ends up leaving and then the league owns 539 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: the team. So we got like I guess they call 540 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 3: him two way players now, but back then it was 541 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 3: like G League. So we had like like seven G 542 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: League players on our team, and the team was trying 543 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: to figure out how to like what to do? So 544 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 3: what I so then I started looking at it from 545 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 3: a business perspective, all right, we want to have a 546 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: low salary cap, right, possibly see if what we can 547 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 3: do to get like, you know, a really hot pick, 548 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 3: which they ended up getting a number one pick, being 549 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:32,959 Speaker 3: Anthony Davies, right, and then like you know, whoever purchases 550 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: the team, they have this great asset with this young. 551 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: Cornerstone number one pick. 552 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, so they got pieces to trade and 553 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 3: you got the number one pick and who was Anthony Davis? 554 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: What is it like being on a team that's tanking? 555 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: It is because you've been on some taking ass teams like. 556 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 3: As a competitor, and at that point in my career, 557 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: it's like miserable because I've won pretty much like all 558 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 3: the places that I've been from high school to you know, 559 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: all the way. 560 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 2: So you know when you are. 561 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 3: When you like to compete, when you like to to 562 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: win more than you like when you hate losing more 563 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 3: than you like to win. You know, that's being on 564 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 3: a team that's tanking is like miserable. 565 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: What do you think the record wise? Do you remember 566 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: the worst team you played on in the NBA, like 567 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: the worst like where it was just like. 568 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 3: Jesus, that had to probably be it the Hornets. Yeah, yeah, 569 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: I think that probably was it. 570 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: Talk to me, man, because when we think about you've 571 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: talked about Kobe a lot in a lot of podcasts, 572 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: But I want to know, what is a random Phil 573 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: Jackson story you could share. 574 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: Phil Jackson he used to say some off the wall 575 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 3: things like crazy stuff like he used to just tell 576 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: us about places that he was from and some of 577 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: the things that they would say or do where he's from. 578 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: And it was just like it's not really you can't 579 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,959 Speaker 3: really talk about that, not enough bad way. 580 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 2: It's just some crazy. 581 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: Shit, he's off the wall, dude. Is the like what 582 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: do you make y'all do yoga? 583 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: And shit? 584 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: Is that like a real thing? 585 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: Where I think when when I played for the Lakers, 586 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 3: we used to do a lot of meditating before you 587 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 3: watch film. So and in the playoffs, they were there 588 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: were themes to each series and like each series was 589 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 3: its shaped differently, right, So they used to pick out 590 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 3: movies that was similar to the opponent. 591 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like Phil would be like, hey, everyone watched 592 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: this movie. 593 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: No. 594 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: In our film sessions, he would put clips of different 595 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 3: parts of the movie, like so it'll be like a 596 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: ten minute clip to get you locked in right to 597 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 3: the movie. And then he'll just will go into like 598 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 3: a quarter of what we need to work on and 599 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: then he'll, you know, move on. 600 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: And what was the movie he was using against the 601 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: Magic Like, what was the do you remember. 602 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: The I don't remember. 603 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: But the movie that I do remember is when we 604 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 3: were playing against Denver and it was the movie was 605 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: called best of Show, Best in Show. 606 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: It was like a dog. They had Ai and Mellow right, 607 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: they he probably felt like they were the best team. 608 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and they also were like the two flashiest dudes. 609 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, it was. It was. That was pretty cool. 610 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: When you first get into the league, who's the first 611 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: guy you defend? That really makes you realize like, ah fuck, I'm. 612 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 3: Here, Ah man, who was the first dude that I 613 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: have to guard that you were just like obviously Kobe, 614 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 3: Kobe was probably the first dude that I was like, 615 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: oh man, this is crazy. 616 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the hardest guy you had to defend? 617 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: That? 618 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: Or a guy who you just had just so many 619 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: battles with over the years where you were just like 620 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: you had to make sure you got up for him. 621 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: Like the toughest player for me to guard was probably Mellow. 622 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. Mellow was just extremely extremely physic cool and relentless physical. 623 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: So like he'll foil you too. 624 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he just fouls you on the at the free 625 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: throw line, you know what I mean. He was pushing, 626 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: he's grabbing, he's elbow and he's doing all the physical 627 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 3: things like to just wear you down over the course 628 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: of a game. And he's he's going to shoot the 629 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 3: ball as many times as you know, he. 630 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: Feels like you got it, you got it. There's a 631 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: lot of jumping. 632 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: Twenty nine. 633 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: So it's it's like somebody that like locked in and 634 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: that that physical is it wears on you. 635 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 636 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: I can imagine when you guys end up on the 637 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: expendables Lakers and you're playing with a guy who you 638 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: guys beat in the finals, like Dwight. Dwight's on that team, right, 639 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah, and then you got Mellows on the team. 640 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: What is is the locker room? 641 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 2: Like? 642 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: Is I feel like that locker room, had everyone been 643 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: getting along, which I don't know if they were or not, 644 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: should have been like the coolest like old head NBA 645 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: shooting the ship combos of all time. 646 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I mean we've all been playing, we're all 647 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: in the former MVP. 648 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: We're all in the same like generation, so we've been 649 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 3: playing against each other since high school, all of us. 650 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: So it was like a real cool like locker room. 651 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: It's just we couldn't. Everybody was kind of older past 652 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: their primes. And sometimes when you have like a lot 653 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: of players like that, there are small parts about the 654 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 3: game that you know people or fans don't really know 655 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 3: about that the players just can't do or they won't 656 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,719 Speaker 3: do because they never had to do it. Yeah, and 657 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: you need players that are chasing fifty to fifty balls 658 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: diving on the floor. You need players that gonna get 659 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 3: deflections and stuff like that make the game muddy sometimes 660 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 3: because those are the parts of the game. 661 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: That's crazy. All right, So let's take Kobe out of 662 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: the conversation. You played with Lebron, Damian Lillard, Jimmy Butler, 663 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: James Harden, Devin Booker CP. Who's the craziest killer you 664 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: ever play with? Who just had. 665 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 2: That that dog in him? 666 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: That was just he If it's at the end of 667 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: the game, I feel good when he has the ball. 668 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 3: Kobe aside, So they're different. Chris's Floyd General Dame is 669 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 3: probably the one that's probably gonna like at the end 670 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: of the game if he got the rock, everybody is 671 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 3: going to be like, oh shit, like he's gonna do 672 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: something crazy, and he could. His range is just so far. 673 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think about that shot against the the Thunder. 674 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 3: We send a lot of people on packing. Yeah, Dame 675 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: is probably the one that that out of the guys 676 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: that you named that has like he he'll he'll send 677 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: you home. 678 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. 679 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: Shout out to Raffi Law Group our family. Yes, it's 680 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: been so dope to partner with, you know, such a 681 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: name and brand and somebody who actually am a customer 682 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: of shot to Raffi Law Group, man Arizona's premier personal 683 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: injury law firm. 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Look shout out to Brandon Raffi. 703 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: Don't forget Raffi Law Group. The only calling you to 704 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: make if you're an az and you get into an 705 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: accident or you get into any sort of injury situation, 706 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: they'll take care you immediately call Raffi. 707 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: Baby. Let's get back to the podcast for. 708 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: You man to watch. Turks kind of turn into like 709 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: the Rappers playground. Yeah, Drake be out there. Everybody goes 710 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: to Turks, now, is it right? Do you? I mean 711 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: it's probably good for the local. 712 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 2: Economy, right, it's great for the time. 713 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: Great, Like it feels like it's grown a lot, Like 714 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on? Just like kind of Turks 715 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: turning into kind of like the new to Loom if 716 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: you everyone's going. 717 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 3: There, like, uh, well that's in this social media era, right. 718 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 3: Turks has always been a place that has been extremely I. 719 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,800 Speaker 1: Feel like it was always a family place. 720 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: It's always been expensive. Yes, so it's never been a 721 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,280 Speaker 3: place where you know, you go scrape up a couple 722 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 3: of a couple of you know, go have a great time. 723 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 724 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 3: It's it's it's very very like as far as that's concerned, 725 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 3: like the vacation or the tourism part, is has always 726 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: been a destination. 727 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 2: It's just that the. 728 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 3: Our hip hop culture didn't really know until you know, 729 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: people start rapping about it, like yeah, but it definitely 730 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: boosts the economy. Everybody want to want to go there 731 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 3: now and vacationary see how beautiful it is. But the 732 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 3: thing that is the most important to me is that 733 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 3: people understand about the people, right are there not just 734 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 3: the beauty. 735 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: Of not just the resorts clubs? And how is are 736 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: you like a solid golfer? 737 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,280 Speaker 3: Is this Am I a solid golfer? I'm a getting 738 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 3: better golfer. I'm a competitive golfer, meaning like I can compete. 739 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: If you had to, Like, like, is there an NBA 740 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: play player that just brings the a game on the 741 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: course that you're like this guy's sick, Like he's too good? 742 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 3: Like so Jr. Is really good? Yeah, I've seen that 743 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 3: Boydrel is real good. Chris is real good from I've 744 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: never got to be on a course with or seen 745 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 3: him play, but I hear Steph is really good. 746 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: I heard it's like Lebron's like dialed in on golf. 747 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: At of it, it seemed like, yep, can you I 748 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: feel like you played with James? I think James is 749 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: you know, however, way you cut at the top five 750 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: shooting guard of all time. Yeah, probably higher. But he 751 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: has this reputation of not being able to get over 752 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: the umph or disappearing in the. 753 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: Big games or whatever. 754 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: What do you think is the biggest misconception about James 755 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: Harden as somebody who was in those wars with him 756 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: and was a part of some of those teams that 757 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: maybe kind of fell short. 758 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 3: I think that the probably the misconception. Again, I don't 759 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 3: I don't really know what people think. I can only assume. 760 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 3: So my assumption would be that he's he doesn't care 761 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 3: as much as he does, right, That would be something 762 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 3: that I probably would think that people wouldn't wouldn't think 763 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 3: he did. 764 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because he works his ass off. 765 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 3: He works hard, you know, he he works on this 766 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 3: game all the time. 767 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean he I mean, how do you feel about 768 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: how he plays? He did change the game. They had 769 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: to change rules. 770 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 3: For him, for sure. He definitely changed the game the 771 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 3: way it's viewed. The way it's played. He gave different 772 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 3: a different style, which gave a whole bunch of other 773 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 3: people opportunity to create what they have. I feel like, 774 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 3: if we don't get James, you don't get Luca, you 775 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's like you gotta kind 776 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: of like like applaud pioneers when they're doing things that 777 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 3: they're doing. 778 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: That step back bro the double steps when you had 779 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: to defend that in practice, did you ever tell me traveled. 780 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 2: In practice? I was liking it. 781 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: I was like, his up, that's crazy, all right? So listen, 782 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: you have the event coming up next well, by the 783 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: time this drops, it'll be this coming week. Do you 784 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: have anything else? Because obviously, man, I want to ask 785 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: you because you have very successful as a father. I 786 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: have a kid who's doing AAU he's twelve. What is 787 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: the key to kind of dialing in that world and 788 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: being a basketball dad at a high level? 789 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 3: So I got another son who just finished up eighth 790 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: grade going into high. 791 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: School and he's playing. 792 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's pretty good too. 793 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 3: The thing that I believe helps kids, and from my 794 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 3: perspective and only mine, is when they listen, when they 795 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: are able to take instructive criticism positively and they understand 796 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: what it means. And when you just have kids that 797 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: just love to love to work. 798 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: Is it? 799 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 2: Is it? 800 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,879 Speaker 1: I feel like the three pointer has kind of like 801 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: some You'll see a lot of these kids, bro and 802 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: they stick their tray young or mellow, and they'll they'll 803 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: be just launching like those. 804 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 3: Are fans of the game instead of people that actually 805 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 3: know the game. So if if if you have kids 806 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 3: that's just out here like just shooting truck, those are 807 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 3: people that are being taught by fans. I think that 808 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 3: makes my personal opinion, that makes sense instead of people 809 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 3: that's teaching the thing that you should be teaching the 810 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 3: kids from. Again, just my humble opinion is how to communicate. 811 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:51,959 Speaker 2: On the court. 812 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 3: On the court, rebounding right, and just being able just 813 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 3: to play hard every single time you're. 814 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 2: On the court, both sides of the ball, on both sides. 815 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: Learn how to affect the game and more ways, those. 816 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 3: Are the most important things to the game to me. 817 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 3: I mean, scoring is obviously important, of course, but like. 818 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: You want to, you want to, you want your coach, 819 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 1: you feel good about you being out there, if your shots, 820 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: if you're doing everything else. 821 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 3: Right, if you're not gonna I if because again, like 822 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 3: if you're shooting from far out, your percentages go down. 823 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 3: So the closer you get to the basket, the higher 824 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 3: your percentage is. Right, So running for layups is important, 825 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 3: but that takes effort for sure, Right, Getting deflections or 826 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 3: getting stills on defense, those are fast breakpoints, Yep, those 827 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 3: are important to the to winning. So if you're not 828 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 3: really being taught those things. Right, and we fall in 829 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 3: love with watching Trey or Steph who is unbelievable, they 830 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 3: unbelievable shooters, you're gonna like, you know, you're missing all 831 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 3: the stuff that got him to the point that he 832 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 3: got to because Steph leads the league and most threes made, right, 833 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 3: but he also scores a lot of layups, which nobody 834 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 3: pays attention to. 835 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,280 Speaker 2: This is a fellon. 836 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: You played against a lot of the guys in the 837 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 1: league right now. Who do you think is the most 838 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: underrated player in the NBA right now? 839 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 2: Man, Damn, I gotta think about that. 840 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: Just don't get enough flowers, or maybe don't don't get 841 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: mentioned as much. 842 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 3: Who plays in the league right now that doesn't get 843 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 3: enough attention? Uh, well, I'm gonna go with somebody that 844 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 3: plays like me McDaniels. 845 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: For McDaniels, Yeah. 846 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love him. I love his game. 847 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: I thought if Lebron wanted to a ring that was 848 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: the most Minnesota. I just thought, because he's got them, 849 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: he's got him and go bear to you got that 850 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 1: back line on defense man? 851 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, there they are scary. 852 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 3: And now that they have a point guard, like a really, 853 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 3: really really good point guard, I think that it allows. 854 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: It's an open everything for Anthony Edwards. 855 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 3: It's kind of like when CP got to Houston, when 856 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 3: he got the Phoenix. 857 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 2: I mean that's what I mean. When he got the Phoenix. 858 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 2: You know, now we're to play point guard. 859 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 3: It'll allow for him to to be more of a 860 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 3: score because he's you can't really stop him getting to 861 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 3: the can. 862 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: Do you feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown? 863 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 2: Do I feel like the Celtics fucked up trading Jalen Brown. 864 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: One of the more unexpected wild exchanges of players in 865 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,239 Speaker 1: a while. I think since we had the Luca trade, you. 866 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 3: Know, I feel like every organization have the right to 867 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 3: do what they want to do. You just have to 868 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 3: give like better reasons for that, because when you're dealing 869 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 3: with like like fan base and like public perception. What 870 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 3: is the reason you trade him for because he has 871 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 3: an opinion or whatever the case may be, for what 872 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 3: the media says, like, who. 873 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,680 Speaker 1: Cares someone's given you one hundred thousand dollars. You have 874 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: to be at it. Who's coming out of the east, 875 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: who's coming out. 876 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: Of the west. Somebody give me one hundred thousand. 877 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: No, you can't keep it. You have to bet it. 878 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: You gotta bet it. So just like burnt money, right, yes. 879 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,160 Speaker 1: Listen, you gott who's coming out the east? Who's coming 880 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: out the west this year? As the cards have fallen 881 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 1: so far? 882 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 2: Okay, let me see tell me what the cars look like. 883 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, right now we know obviously the thunder of 884 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: the thunder, the spurs of the spurs. Luca's got the 885 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: Great Whites, Celtics looking like the Celtics in the eighties, 886 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: and l. 887 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 3: Minister Minnesota probably like third right now to me, Oklahoma 888 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 3: and San Antonio. 889 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 2: That's that's the hierarchy of the West, and. 890 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 3: Philly is lig New York is still going to be 891 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 3: that and Miami is you mean when you got Bam 892 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 3: and then you got fucking the Greek freak. Yeah, it's 893 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 3: hard to like, it's hard to like overlook it. 894 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hard the pain is gonna be 895 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: hard to score. 896 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,239 Speaker 2: It will be probably it will be hard to score. 897 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,360 Speaker 3: But I feel like even on offense too, because you 898 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 3: know Bam is starting. 899 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,760 Speaker 2: To you know, expand his range here. 900 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,799 Speaker 3: And fucking Gianness is all downhill for real, Like he 901 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,800 Speaker 3: stays at the free throw line. So but again, Miami's 902 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,080 Speaker 3: coaching staff and their system, they're so good at what 903 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 3: they do. 904 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,359 Speaker 1: You always hear everyone says Spo is like when it 905 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: comes to this ship, for real, he might be the 906 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 1: best coach like of the last you know, however many 907 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 1: years you played with him for a season. 908 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 3: Right, Their whole, their whole organization from top to bottom, 909 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 3: is like that. So like everybody is on the same page. 910 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,399 Speaker 3: It's nobody off off. Like if you step out of that, 911 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 3: you are the sore thumb and you stick out and 912 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,720 Speaker 3: you probably won't last. 913 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 2: Fall in line with the heat coaching. 914 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 3: It's not even the falling line, it's that you want 915 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 3: to be a part of that line because it's so 916 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,759 Speaker 3: it's beautiful. You know, it's a great thing if you 917 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 3: if you're disciplined and you love the game, and you 918 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 3: love with what you know they're about. 919 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 2: It works. 920 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 1: And they're so good at drafting from like fifteen to 921 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: like thirty one. That's the only time they can pick players. 922 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 2: That's how good they their scouts the end. Yeah, that's 923 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 2: how good they are. 924 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: Well listen, Trevor, I appreciate you pulling up man. Make 925 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: sure you guys, you is there is there a way 926 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: to support this event without necessarily pulling up. 927 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, just going to my page whatever and 928 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 3: going to buy you and look. But I you know 929 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 3: again the people. I got to thank some people, yeah know, 930 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 3: Loui Beach House Windward in South Bank for contributed in 931 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 3: helping us put this event on and and supporting us 932 00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 3: the way that they have been. Without them, you know, 933 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,359 Speaker 3: we wouldn't be able to to be here talking about this. 934 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: You got Booker pulling up the golf but yeah, the 935 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: books coming, Yeah, pulling up a secp's coming. You gotta 936 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: tell book Man, tell them to trade Jalen Green so 937 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: we can fucking make him a shooting guard again. For 938 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: fuck's sake, we need a point guard. For love of Christ. 939 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: What's what's the owner's name? This guy's playing, he's playing 940 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: NBA two K Matt Matt Ishbia. 941 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 2: Oh't know. I'm just I'm sorry. 942 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,880 Speaker 1: I'm an NBA fanos breaking into the interview here. But listen, man, 943 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate you pulling up. Go support Trevor. You're a legend. 944 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,160 Speaker 1: Do a podcast, man. 945 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 2: Do a podcast. 946 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,880 Speaker 1: You should do a podcast. You gotta do a podcast 947 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: with like another og, like from the Lakers, maybe that 948 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 1: Laker team. 949 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,120 Speaker 3: If I do a podcast, it's gonna be with Banger 950 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 3: DJ Banger. 951 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, why not. That's my guy. There it is. 952 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean or you and Chris, I mean 953 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,000 Speaker 1: Chris do a podcast. He's coaching. 954 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris has done so much for the game, and 955 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,879 Speaker 3: he's one of those guys who always looking the way 956 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 3: to share information. 957 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,320 Speaker 1: So there it is. Man, Well, listen, I appreciate you 958 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: pulling up Trevor. Reason my gosh, love Yes, sir, fire. 959 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 2: What up? 960 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: Y'all were here at ease? You already know if you're 961 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: in La Southern cal Man, tap in. Go to the 962 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: website right now, use that promo code Bootlegger, and to 963 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: get thirty percent off Flower Concentrates. Whatever you're into, they 964 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: got it, thirty percent off. Go to ease dot com 965 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: right now. It'll get delivered right to your door. 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