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Speaker 1: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: you made it to Friday. You're about to be able

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Speaker 1: to roll into the weekend and we are going to

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Speaker 1: have some fun with all of you. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you a little bit of an idea where we're headed.

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Speaker 1: Marty McCarey, who is now the head of the FDA,

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Speaker 1: He has obviously been doing a ton of things and

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Speaker 1: was right on everything COVID, one of the few doctors

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Speaker 1: bit under the radar given all the other appointments, but

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Speaker 1: the Trump team has been zealous when it comes to

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Speaker 1: promoting people who did not favor lockdowns in all of

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Speaker 1: the COVID related insanity that took over our country about

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Speaker 1: five years ago. So doctor Martin McCay, ahead of the FDA,

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Speaker 1: will be with us top the next hour. Top of

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Speaker 1: the third hour, that is the final hour of the week,

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Speaker 1: we will talk with Nicole Parker, former FBI agent. She

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Speaker 1: was listening to the show and she was reacting to

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Epstein revelation. She was working in

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Speaker 1: South Florida when really I think Buck and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: with this some about her, but she was texting us

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Speaker 1: the initial investigation that took place with Acosta and led

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Speaker 1: to a sweetheart prosecution deal and resolution of the charges

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Speaker 1: the Epstein story that still deserves to be the most examined.

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Speaker 1: So we will talk with her about that in the

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Speaker 1: third hour. But I wanted to open and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the ice ray that happened in California and the

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Speaker 1: discovery of underage children that were being used to work there,

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Speaker 1: and some of the dark, seedy underbelly of the illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrant experience. But I wanted to begin with this because

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Speaker 1: on Sunday will be officially the one year anniversary of

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Speaker 1: the near assassination of Donald Trump and Butler, Pennsylvania. And

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Speaker 1: they came out with news yesterday. I believe that six

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Speaker 1: different Secret Service officers had been disciplined for the failures.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, basically all systems failure

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Speaker 1: that occurred in Butler, Pennsylvania, almost one year ago. Today

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Speaker 1: it was a Saturday, for those of you who remember,

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Speaker 1: and Monday was the first day of the Republican National

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Speaker 1: Convention from Milwaukee, and Trump came within a quarter inch

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Speaker 1: of having his head blown off on live television. And

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Speaker 1: we talked with Selena Selena Zito, who's got her book

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Speaker 1: out about Butler Pennsylvania. I've been reading about that. We

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Speaker 1: talked with her earlier this week. And the extent to

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Speaker 1: which that is an historic event, I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to continue to echo and reverberate. But Trump is talking

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Speaker 1: about that with special interviews that he is doing, including

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Speaker 1: with his daughter in law, Laura Trump, And we have

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Speaker 1: a cut from that that we would like to play

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Speaker 1: for all of you because it is only by the

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Speaker 1: grace of God if you think about where we were

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Speaker 1: one year ago today and how different this country would

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Speaker 1: look if that assassination attempt had been successful. Here is

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Speaker 1: Trump talking about that with Laura cut.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was unforgettable and no exactly what was going on.

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Speaker 2: I got whack, There's no question about that, and fortunately

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Speaker 2: got down quickly and people were screaming, and I got

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Speaker 2: down quickly for chunly because I think they shod eight

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Speaker 2: bullets and one got me, and one got another one,

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Speaker 2: and one got another one and one killed Corey the firefighter,

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Speaker 2: great guy. And we had a tremendous, massive crown. Tens

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Speaker 2: of thousands of people were there, and the hour sniper,

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Speaker 2: within less than five seconds, was able to get him

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Speaker 2: from a long distance with one shot. If he didn't

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Speaker 2: do that, you would have had an even worse situation.

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Speaker 1: And I do think Buck, sometimes you get lost. All

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Speaker 1: of us do in the day to day, twenty four

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Speaker 1: hour news cycle, and the question is what is this

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Speaker 1: to still matter in two days? A prediction this day

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Speaker 1: July thirteenth, and what happened on that day in President

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Speaker 1: Trump's response on that day. I think one in the election,

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Speaker 1: people forget that Elon Musk voted against Trump in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: he voted for Hillary Clinton, he voted for Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. It wasn't until July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and I saw one of your tweets about this when

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk got off the bench and suddenly said, for

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Speaker 1: listening to us right now. Some of you voted Trump

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Speaker 3: Four almost all of them play almost all of them

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Speaker 1: But yes, I'm not even in the primary in sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Like people came on the Trump train talk in general election, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say, opposed to Trump quite quite honestly, saw

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Speaker 1: For American men, I think that way. I know a

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Speaker 1: that was such a badass moment that it fundamentally altered

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Speaker 3: Do well think about. If you were to do a

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Speaker 3: historical what if and a list of the biggest historical

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Speaker 3: what ifs, I think it was a long time ago

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Speaker 3: Winston Churchill did a whole what if this would be

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Speaker 3: right your Alley Clay Historically speaking, what if General Lee

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Speaker 3: world have looked like had the South actually won that war?

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Speaker 3: Now that's a very big what if. In so far

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Speaker 3: as it would have been a whole battle going in

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Speaker 3: a different trajectory. This is a historical what if what

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Speaker 3: happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. That was truly a matter of

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Speaker 3: you could just say an inch one inch different in

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Speaker 3: that projectile, and we're living in a different America right now,

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Speaker 3: one inch different in that five five, six rounds trajectory,

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Speaker 3: and you would have had I can't I can't recall

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Speaker 3: has there ever been and sorry, this is just something

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Speaker 3: I haven't thought about. So there might be an obvious answer.

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Speaker 3: A presidential assassination of a sorry, a presidential assassination in

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Speaker 3: this country during the campaign. I know there have been

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Speaker 3: assassinations obviously in McKinley or FK R RFK RF nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixty eight. But to your point, RFK had not yet

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Speaker 3: become the Democrat nominee. It looked like he.

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Speaker 1: Was going to be the nominee. Well, so he wasn't

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Speaker 1: actually the nominee necessary Trump? Yeah, right, Trump had the

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Speaker 3: And uh, well, this is what I mean about, because

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Speaker 3: now you're now you're talking about a historical situation where

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Speaker 3: God forbid and as we know, Trump is fine, and

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Speaker 3: it was all he was. Okay, it was a terrible day,

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Speaker 3: not just for the country politically and psychologically. But you know, Corey,

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Speaker 3: uh contemporarily pardon me in the last name, I'm not

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Speaker 3: different things would have been, because you would have had

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Speaker 3: a country that wouldn't have accepted the eventual result based

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Speaker 3: from us by a bullet, you know, And it's even

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Speaker 3: it's that would have been even more of a psychic

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Speaker 3: a primary. But was he going to be the candidate

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Speaker 3: or not? Obviously a terrible situation, a political assassination. And

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Speaker 3: Trump isn't just wasn't just the candidate. Trump is a

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Speaker 3: is a political movement unto himself, was reshape the Republican

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Speaker 3: probably of our lifetime. You'd certainly have to go back

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Speaker 3: to Reagan, or maybe you could say Obama's consequential and

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Speaker 3: destroying the country. But that would have been an enormous

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Speaker 3: the RNC. There was a feeling of surrealism with so

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Speaker 3: we're just gonna have this RNC now, and yeah, process

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Speaker 3: the fact that we almost lost our guy, we almost

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Speaker 1: I think they are both short and long term implications

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Speaker 1: important to go back and think how fortunate we all

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Speaker 1: are with the way that turned out. A couple of

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Speaker 1: it's not only just that he would have been killed.

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Speaker 1: They would have the RNC chair said they would have

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Speaker 1: a lot of glee, sadly on the left that somebody

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Speaker 1: killed terrifically. Yes, yeah, there There would have then had

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Speaker 1: to be a new individual selected as the nominee. And remember,

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Speaker 1: point in time, And honestly, one reason jd Vance got picked,

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Speaker 1: I think was because Trump wanted somebody who was stiff

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Speaker 1: the other thing, Buck, we still know nothing about the assassin.

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Speaker 3: I know the shooter.

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Speaker 1: I know nobody would be assassin. Nobody would have ever

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Speaker 1: listening's life and for the next two hundred years, much

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Speaker 1: like with JFK's assassination, people would have said, this wasn't

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Speaker 1: a lone gunman. There's no way this ended up happening.

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Speaker 1: The fix was in. The government killed Trump. Here's the

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Speaker 1: other question. Does Biden still run? Do they elevate Kamala?

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Speaker 1: getting his head blown off on live television? And the

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Speaker 3: You couldn't have had a fair election afterwards. Correct, There's

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Speaker 3: there's no there's no way that you would be able

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Speaker 3: to convince Trump voters in the event that that terrible

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Speaker 3: an assassination, that this election is legit. And then what

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Speaker 3: does that do to the country? Right? How do you

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Speaker 3: go forward when there's a very real sense that a

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Speaker 3: fair election was completely stolen from the country but through violence,

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Speaker 3: mind you, through through yeah, the worst kind of of

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Speaker 3: I want to give I think it was Fisher King,

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Speaker 3: who is a Twitter account? Do you follow Fisher King?

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Speaker 3: I don't even know this guy is. He's very He's

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Speaker 3: got a very interesting account on x very. You know

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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, I'm not endorsing everything he's

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Speaker 3: and all this people have been so upset about. Epstein

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Speaker 1: Okay, welcome back in Clay, Ravis buck Sexton show breaking

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Speaker 1: my way or the highway dispute that has accelerated because

433
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Speaker 1: people are really angry about them taking the blame for

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Speaker 1: something that they feel like they didn't.

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Speaker 3: Well, look you up, let's just say this, Dan. Who

436
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Speaker 3: we know? Dan Bongino. I've known Dan. I'm trying to

437
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Speaker 3: even remember. He's one of these guys I've known so

438
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Speaker 3: long that I can't remember the first time I met him,

439
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Speaker 3: but it was at least over a decade ago. I

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Speaker 3: mean I've known Dan certainly since twenty thirteen or something

441
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Speaker 3: like that probably, and when he first when he first

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Speaker 3: filled in for Hannity on radio, and I mean I

443
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Speaker 3: was filling in for Rush around that time, so that's

444
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Speaker 3: how we knew each other. He has been calling for

445
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Speaker 3: accountability on this issue and has put a lot out

446
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Speaker 3: there and a lot on the line for this. And

447
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Speaker 3: I know his character, I know his temperament. He's a

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Speaker 3: fighter and no one's going to push him into a

449
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Speaker 3: corner and make him do something or say something that's

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Speaker 3: against his ethics or morals on this right. So that's

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Speaker 3: so people say, how do you know Bongino's no flipped

452
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Speaker 3: or something. That's how I know, because I know the god,

453
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Speaker 3: I know how we offer. I don't know cash as well.

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Speaker 3: I don't I've never even spoken to ag Bondi, to

455
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Speaker 3: be fair, and we haven't had her on the show.

456
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Speaker 3: I have no personal knowledge of her whatsoever. So I'm

457
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Speaker 3: laying this out just to be this is like full disclosure, right, yep.

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Speaker 3: You know there are people whose character I think I

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Speaker 3: know at some level, and I've had long talks with

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Speaker 3: Dan in the past about all kinds of things. Right,

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Speaker 3: So I know Dan a bit. I know you do too,

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Speaker 3: ag BONDI I don't know it all, and so I

463
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Speaker 3: have nothing personally for or against her other than you know,

464
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Speaker 3: people like her in Florida and she's Trump's attorney general pick.

465
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Speaker 3: There have been clear mistakes made here, Okay, clear mistakes,

466
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Speaker 3: and I'm just talking on the messaging side. We can

467
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Speaker 3: go even beyond the messaging side too. If you think

468
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Speaker 3: there's still cover up going on, which is now you

469
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Speaker 3: get into well, okay, let's can I play the dirst clip.

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Speaker 3: Let's play someone.

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Speaker 1: Let let me before we play a whole Let's just

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Speaker 1: say this full disclosure. It would actually benefit us professionally

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Speaker 1: to rip Bongino and say negative things about him, because

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Speaker 1: he he did he We are on competing, he has

475
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Speaker 1: a big show, he's on daytime, he's a big ghost.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we're not going to play that game because

477
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Speaker 1: I the guy is I'm just being honest with you all.

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Speaker 1: I believe one hundred percent that Dan Bongino is a patriot.

479
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Speaker 1: He gave up a seat talking daily like we do

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Speaker 1: to go because he wanted to help make America great

481
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Speaker 1: and he wanted to work for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So I actually one of one of my one of

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Speaker 3: my hesitations, even having spoken to the President, and the

484
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Speaker 3: President Trump spoke about this in front of Clay and

485
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Speaker 3: the team, so they know when we were talking about

486
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Speaker 3: maybe me going to work with him and and the

487
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Speaker 3: D and I you, Tulsey knows that this was all up. Look,

488
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Speaker 3: if called to serve, the President asked you go do it.

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Speaker 3: But I will say that I'm not somebody who would

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Speaker 3: want to get into this kind of a bureaucratic knife fight.

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Speaker 3: And I know that this stuff happens, and this is

492
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Speaker 3: just the nature of DC unfortunately, and Dan, even having

493
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Speaker 3: the role he did, making the money he was making,

494
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Speaker 3: said I'll do it. That's right. So I respect that.

495
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Speaker 3: I respect that.

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Speaker 1: And look, I mean from our perspective, I can't say

497
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Speaker 1: we're gonna get everything right. But part of what you

498
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Speaker 1: do in life is you assess the trustworthiness of people.

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Speaker 1: And I would say I would stand behind Dan on

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Speaker 1: him being an honest person, which is what people got

501
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: mad about me saying earlier, like this guy's not going

502
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Speaker 1: to cover up child porn crimes.

503
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Speaker 3: He's just not.

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Speaker 1: And so look, there is now a knife fight, to

505
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Speaker 1: use Buck's term, a bureaucratic knife fight over who's responsible

506
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Speaker 1: for messaging errors which have created a cluster and I

507
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Speaker 1: think have deeply frustrated many people inside of the Trump administration,

508
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: potentially including Trump himself, Like he's going to Texas right

509
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Speaker 1: now to go visit the the flood victims and everything

510
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Speaker 1: else there I separate out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a difference between what you say when

512
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Speaker 3: you you are somebody on the outside working in media

513
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Speaker 3: about issues like I don't have access. You don't have access.

514
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Speaker 3: We have not seen classified we have not you know,

515
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Speaker 3: I haven't in over a decade now, We don't have

516
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Speaker 3: access to the government's internal But once you're in that

517
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Speaker 3: position of power to have the access, you have to

518
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Speaker 3: be a little more cautious about what you say. I

519
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Speaker 3: bring this up because what, for example, Dan and Cash

520
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: were saying about this when they were private citizens and

521
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Speaker 3: had been for a while at least certainly the I

522
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Speaker 3: mean Cash had been the government more recently, but Dan

523
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Speaker 3: had been out for a long time. That's different than Okay,

524
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Speaker 3: now I see this stuff, and I have an obligation

525
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Speaker 3: to speak a certain way about this information, bringing the

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Speaker 3: power of my office to it. Ag BONDI. While AG

527
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Speaker 3: has said some things that while Attorney General that were

528
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: not as squared away or as tightly as I think,

529
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: clearly over promised and underdelivered. And all of you out

530
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Speaker 3: there that heard those quot to maybe we need to

531
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Speaker 3: pull them again and play them just to be full context.

532
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Speaker 3: All of you who heard those quotes are rightly saying,

533
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: wait a minute, she told us X, and now she's

534
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: telling us why those don't add up. And I think

535
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Speaker 3: that's a fair analysis of the commentary. And even if

536
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Speaker 3: you give the most charitable, favorable version of events for

537
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: the Attorney General here, that you could messaging mistakes or

538
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Speaker 3: mistakes too. Right, even if even if she had said

539
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Speaker 3: things that you know she's not she's not trying to

540
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Speaker 3: hide the hide the football, so to speak, or anything,

541
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: there's still the way that public views it. I do.

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00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: I think this is important that the play it quote,

543
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Speaker 3: play it. Let's play this. This is Alan Dershowitz on

544
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Speaker 3: whether there's more information that has been held back Play eighteen.

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Speaker 4: I have seen. Remember, I was accused falsely, and and

546
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Speaker 4: ultimately I was completely cleared. The woman admitted that she

547
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Speaker 4: may have mistook me for somebody else and withdrew oll.

548
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Speaker 3: Of her lawsuits. And so from day one, from the

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Speaker 3: day I.

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Speaker 4: Was accused, I said, I want every document out because

551
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Speaker 4: I knew every document would prove I was innocent.

552
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Speaker 3: So let me tell you.

553
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Speaker 4: I know for fact, documents are being suppressed, and they're

554
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Speaker 4: being suppressed to protect individuals.

555
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: I know the names of the individuals. I know why

556
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Speaker 3: they're being suppressed. I know who's suppressing them.

557
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Speaker 4: But I'm bound by confidentiality from a judge and cases,

558
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Speaker 4: and I can't disclose what I know. But I can't

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Speaker 4: to god, I know, I know the names of people

560
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Speaker 4: whose files are being.

561
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Speaker 3: Suppressed in order to protect them. And that's wrong. That

562
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: is a huge, huge, mushroom cloud level problem. Everybody if

563
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Speaker 3: and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we also, I don't know Alan

565
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: Dershowitz personally, but we've had him on the show a bunch.

566
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that he as an attorney. Again, speaking

567
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: in the larger context, now, It is very convenient to say, Hey,

568
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I know a lot, but I'm bound by confidentiality, so

569
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you many of them. He is an

570
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: attorney though, right it's not like he's just it's not

571
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Speaker 1: like he's scorn on a decoder ring or something. That's

572
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He doesn't look if I don't. He's

573
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Speaker 1: like eighty now. But Alan Dershowitz for much of the

574
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Speaker 1: last twenty years. If you had told me, hey, you're

575
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Speaker 1: gonna face serious criminal charges, who do you want to

576
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Speaker 1: rep you? I mean Trump had Dershowitz repping.

577
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Speaker 3: Him, I wouldn't. I mean, even at eighty or whatever

578
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: he is. Well, here's here's what I would say, because

579
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Speaker 3: defense attorney. Here's what I would say as we try.

580
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Why would he lie? I think motivations are one of

581
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: the most important ways to evaluate anyone's actions, criminally non criminally.

582
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 3: You know what's the motivation here? Why would he lie

583
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Speaker 3: about that right now? Because he just needs more attend

584
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: He's already very famous, and he's got more money he's

585
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 3: gonna spend like well at this stage, so I don't

586
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Speaker 3: believe he's lying, It's my point. So then what does

587
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: that mean? Where does that leave us. I it's a mess.

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Speaker 1: And again I think this is why this mushroom cloud

589
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Speaker 1: is not going away. And when Alan Dershowitz comes out

590
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Speaker 1: and says this, when Axios is reporting, Hey, the FBI

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Speaker 1: and the Attorney General's offices are not happy with each

592
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Speaker 1: other and they're having yelling matches over communication, I mean

593
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Speaker 1: it's a mess. And ultimately, you know who's gonna have

594
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: to make the decision on how to clean him the mess,

595
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: President Trump, because it's gonna end up on his desk

596
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be, to your point, apprentice style looking

597
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: at this and saying, Okay, which side of the equation

598
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Speaker 1: of the ledger?

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Speaker 3: And I waylay if you if you were the president,

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Speaker 3: all right and I was, well, I guess now we're

601
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Speaker 3: getting away from the mafia constantly everything. If you were

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603
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Speaker 3: I feel like somebody's got to go? I would I

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606
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607
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Speaker 1: I would also say release every frickin thing and just

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610
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Speaker 3: we go the Epstein stuff. It's it's flying right now.

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Speaker 3: Podcast listener Keegan, this is DD hit it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're upset because we want you guys to hold

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Speaker 5: pedophiles accountable and stop sweeping this topic under the rug.

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Speaker 5: There's a cover up and there's no way a pedophile

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Speaker 5: could walk this earth a free man, and they all

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Speaker 5: need to be arrested.

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Speaker 3: So take it seriously.

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Speaker 5: It's not a laughing matter.

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Speaker 3: We're excuse me, I'm getting upset. We're taking it seriously.

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Speaker 3: What do you want. I'm not in the FBI, I

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Speaker 3: don't have the list. I can't arrest anybody. We're just

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Speaker 3: telling you about the information that's out there. Yes, there's

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Speaker 3: stuff that we need to know that we still don't know.

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Speaker 3: Have said that. The first thing I tweeted about this

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Speaker 3: is that it is not credible that he was not

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Speaker 3: involved in blackmail. My head is going to explode. I'm

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Speaker 3: not there, you know the chief inspector here, No, what

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Speaker 3: is pro pedophile?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: The only people who are pro.

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Speaker 1: Pedophiles are actual pedophiles? Like this is like saying, oh,

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Speaker 1: stop being in favor of cancer. Like, yes, if people

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Speaker 1: commit crimes, they should be arrested. Here is the problem.

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Speaker 1: So far as I understand it, there isn't evidence that

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Speaker 1: can get people convicted of victims.

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Speaker 3: Right, And I want to remind people of this as well.

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Speaker 3: It is incredibly reckless, immoral, and legally problematic to insind,

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Speaker 3: you know, to say that someone did a sex crime

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Speaker 3: of any kind, especially with a minor, when you're just guessing,

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Speaker 3: you cannot do that. You can ruin lives. So we

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Speaker 3: can't there anything worse to be accused of. No, in life,

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Speaker 3: I don't think there is.

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Speaker 1: And so much like take it outside of this, how

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Speaker 1: often do you hear guy gets accused of sexual assault,

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Speaker 1: goes one hundred percent public, everybody covers it. Then the

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Speaker 1: evidence comes out and they're like, oh, it wasn't that.

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Speaker 1: You can't unring the bell. So the idea of hey

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Speaker 1: let's just throw everybody in jail, it's a mess. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about this. We got Marty McCay next he scheduled.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about mom.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about the FBA and drugs and cures and

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Speaker 3: saving lives and circum back. I promise thanks for hanging

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Speaker 3: with his Friday edition and play a buck