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Speaker 1: And welcome in episode number one of the best podcast available.

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Speaker 1: Never mind the fact we had a couple postseason podcasts

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Speaker 1: that was part of the season. This is and gribbled

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Speaker 1: ten weeks from today. It is the NFL Draft. Hard

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Speaker 1: to believe it is coming fast. Normally we start this

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Speaker 1: get a couple of weeks to to get reconfigured, get

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Speaker 1: as we start to break down this offseason, look ahead

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Speaker 1: to the off season, but also look ahead to a

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Speaker 1: draft that's gonna happen here in Cleveland, we think, and

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Speaker 1: a draft where the Browns aren't picking in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: not even in the top twenty pick number twenty six. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: This off sea and is all sorts of different. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first off, the fact that the draft is only ten

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're playing after New Year's Day for the

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Speaker 1: got a shorter off season calendar. The difference, though, is

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little bit more about no NFL combined

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Speaker 1: later on in the program. Coming up on this edition

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Speaker 1: of the Best Podcast Available UH, our third round pick

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Speaker 1: from last year. One of our third round picks from

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Speaker 1: last year, linebacker Jacob Phillips, no longer a rookie, now

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Speaker 1: a seasoned veteran heading into year number two. He will

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Speaker 1: talk about his draft process advice to this year's class

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Speaker 1: getting ready for that day that comes up ten weeks

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Speaker 1: with a with a three round mock that UH is

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Speaker 1: a little different as usual here on the best podcast available,

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Speaker 1: Gribbs UH pick number twenty six for us, which means

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Speaker 1: you're picking towards the back in every round UH nine

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Speaker 1: Because that's that's part of the draft where you see

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can say enough, not just for

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Speaker 1: you combine or pro day? What was the what was

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Speaker 1: the bigger emphasis for you in twenty wanted? Yeah, I

431
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Speaker 1: feel like the combined is always more important, just because

432
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Speaker 1: you know, you're there with everybody in the whole nation

433
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Speaker 1: instead of you know, just people at your school. You

434
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Speaker 1: can be the old linebacker in your class at your school,

435
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Speaker 1: but there, you know, you're competing with uh, everybody else

436
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Speaker 1: in the class. And uh, you know you I think that,

437
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Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that the NFL likes to better,

438
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Speaker 1: you know, being able to you know, have an interview

439
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Speaker 1: with you and then the next person come in who

440
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Speaker 1: you know, it's a toss up and have an interview

441
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Speaker 1: with them, and you know, kind of make a decision

442
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Speaker 1: upon that. And Jake, when you're going through the process

443
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Speaker 1: and it's getting your draft day, how much information are

444
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Speaker 1: you taking in? Are you paying attention to to mock drafts?

445
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Speaker 1: Are you hearing where you might be going? How much

446
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Speaker 1: are you plugged into that? And if you could do

447
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Speaker 1: it over again, would you pay more attention to it

448
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Speaker 1: or pay less attention to it? No? I don't pay

449
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Speaker 1: attention to it, you know, really like I would. I

450
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say that they know, you know where people are

451
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Speaker 1: gonna get drafted a win, but your agent actually you know, uh,

452
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Speaker 1: they got the closest heir to the ground. You know,

453
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Speaker 1: they have a relationship with the front office, and you

454
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Speaker 1: know they're getting real feedback. And just because you know,

455
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Speaker 1: if you're give them fos feedback when they got another

456
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Speaker 1: guy in contract negotiations, you know, uh, they might not

457
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Speaker 1: take it so easy on the team. So and I

458
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Speaker 1: feel like relying on your agent is the best way

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Speaker 1: to go. Uh. You know, I went to rosa house

460
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Speaker 1: and you know, he has a really relationship with all

461
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Speaker 1: the teams in the NFL. So you know, I was

462
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: just relying on him, and uh, I didn't really look

463
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Speaker 1: into and too much on the box and all that.

464
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Speaker 1: What would be the best piece of advice that you

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Speaker 1: would give to, uh say just a linebacker in general

466
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Speaker 1: that's coming out in this year's draft. What what would

467
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Speaker 1: be the best piece of advice? What's the best piece

468
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Speaker 1: of advice you got? And what would you tell this

469
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Speaker 1: year's clients as they prepare here? Uh, you know that

470
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Speaker 1: it's more than just athletics, you know, make sure that

471
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Speaker 1: uh you know, as you're preparing, you're looking at your

472
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Speaker 1: old place because you know it's all gonna come up.

473
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Speaker 1: They're gonna ask you a random play and uh, the

474
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Speaker 1: fourth game of the season, a random play in the

475
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Speaker 1: third quarter. They know, actually what what defense you're running?

476
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Speaker 1: And uh, you know they're gonna they're gonna expect that

477
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Speaker 1: you know what defense you are in, and they're gonna

478
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Speaker 1: actually teammates the same thing. And you know, to to

479
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Speaker 1: kind of see if if you if your answer was

480
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Speaker 1: the correct answer. So I would definitely say that, you know,

481
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Speaker 1: go back watch your games, uh, you know, watch the

482
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Speaker 1: film be be real, you know, studios into you know

483
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Speaker 1: the schemes that you all ran. You know, what was

484
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Speaker 1: your favorite player and cover four? What was your favorite

485
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Speaker 1: player and cover three because you know all those questions

486
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Speaker 1: are gonna come up, and uh, if you don't know,

487
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Speaker 1: then you just don't know. So you know, I would

488
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Speaker 1: say go back and do those things and for to

489
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Speaker 1: talk in the future. Players. When when you get in

490
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Speaker 1: an NFL locker room and when you start going through

491
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Speaker 1: NFL meetings, when when do you stop feeling like a rookie?

492
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: When when do you when when do you stop feeling

493
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Speaker 1: like you're getting treated like a rookie by by the coaches? Uh? Really,

494
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Speaker 1: just uh, I say, I say it just comes with

495
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Speaker 1: just reps. Really, you know, obviously you want to accept

496
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Speaker 1: coaching and uh, you know, accept criticism, accept you know,

497
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Speaker 1: the different ways you can get better a little small techniques,

498
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Speaker 1: and you know, actually encouraged that. You know, I want,

499
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Speaker 1: I want my coach to, you know, tell me all

500
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Speaker 1: the little small things that I can do to get better.

501
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's it is different. You know,

502
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Speaker 1: you might hear one thing from coach and then somebody

503
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Speaker 1: else in the room, you know who's who's a vet

504
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Speaker 1: has a lot of years under their belt, you know,

505
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Speaker 1: might not hear anything. So you know, honestly, I would

506
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Speaker 1: rather hear something but you know, I understand some players,

507
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Speaker 1: you know, they you know, they kind of feel like

508
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Speaker 1: they would maybe feel like, you know, you're getting picked

509
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: on in that way. But now, you know, I accept

510
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Speaker 1: coaching and I like it. But uh, I mean, you're

511
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: gonna get that all season. But with the players, you're

512
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: not gonna get it all season. Players, they're gonna ease

513
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Speaker 1: up on you, probably around camp, like once you get

514
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Speaker 1: to the to the thick of the season and like

515
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Speaker 1: you're actually getting into playing. You know, it's just you're

516
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Speaker 1: you're another dude on the team who can help us win. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: pretty impressive. All right, before we let you go. One

518
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Speaker 1: of the final thing, what's the number one thing you're

519
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Speaker 1: working on this offseason in preparation for year number two?

520
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: Mr Battery. Uh, you know, just there's really everything. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of things in my notes,

522
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Speaker 1: uh my phone, things that I want to get better at.

523
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Speaker 1: Maybe some things that I excelled that this year and

524
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Speaker 1: they're good at, but you know, I still want to

525
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: still want to you know, fix those up and and

526
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Speaker 1: do it at a even higher level. You know, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: I know capacity of player that I can be, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to put the preparation in this

529
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Speaker 1: off season to you know, get to that get to

530
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Speaker 1: that point and next year and you know, help my

531
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Speaker 1: defense as much as I can, and you know, just

532
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,239
Speaker 1: be a rock for us. So you know, I'm very

533
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Speaker 1: fortunate to be to have been drafted to Cleveland and

534
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Speaker 1: being his organization and you know, be on two year two.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of things that you know,

536
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Speaker 1: myself personally, I want to get better at it and uh,

537
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Speaker 1: you know, I can't wait to get grounded on. Well,

538
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: let's hope the weather improves down in Nashville so you

539
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Speaker 1: can actually get outside and do that. Jacob Phillips Brown,

540
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Speaker 1: second year linebacker, Appreciate the time, wish you all the

541
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Speaker 1: best in the off season, get a little R and

542
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Speaker 1: R and then before you know, we'll be back here

543
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: and getting ready for the season. Thanks for your time

544
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: and continued success. Thanks again the linebacker Jacob Phillips for

545
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Speaker 1: his time. A kid with a lot of upside and

546
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Speaker 1: Gribbs one of those kids, one of those gentlemen that

547
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Speaker 1: it had some injury issues at the start of the

548
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Speaker 1: year and in a non pandemic year can set you back,

549
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and in the pandemic year, Obviously he was a delay

550
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Speaker 1: in terms of getting going, but once he got going,

551
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: he really flashed and showed some things, and you know,

552
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Speaker 1: there's definitely gonna be an important role for him to

553
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Speaker 1: play here in Yeah, I think he gets you really

554
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Speaker 1: excited about He's one of those guys that you look

555
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Speaker 1: at the linebacking group, there's a lot of question marks

556
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Speaker 1: going into next year. I think he's maybe one of

557
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Speaker 1: your only certainties at that position where you think he's

558
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Speaker 1: probably gonna have a significant role as as as a

559
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Speaker 1: main guy. I mean, Mack Wilson, Sni Taki Taki, they'll

560
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: be back as well. But we'll see what the team

561
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Speaker 1: does in the off season. But you gotta imagine Jacob

562
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Speaker 1: Phillips is at the center of those plans. I mean,

563
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: he's someone that got better as the season went on

564
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Speaker 1: while overcoming those injuries, and I just think that I'm

565
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Speaker 1: excited about what he can do, and I think that

566
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: the Browns are excited as well. I think that that's

567
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: why they gave him that opportunity later season. Yeah, it's

568
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: definitely a player worth watching here in the coming years,

569
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Speaker 1: and especially in one on Jason Gibbs alongside Andrew Gribble,

570
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Speaker 1: This is the best podcast available. Ten weeks to go

571
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Speaker 1: until Draft Day one from right here in downtown Cleveland, Ohio.

572
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: NFL Combine should have been next week, Gribbs, and you

573
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Speaker 1: mentioned it in the open, said it is sad we

574
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Speaker 1: are not going to be in Indianapolis. No one's going

575
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Speaker 1: to be in Indianapolis. All the Pro days and have

576
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Speaker 1: become essentially mini combines for most of these kids that

577
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Speaker 1: are coming out. What is the one thing you will

578
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: miss the most about the NFL Combine? Andrew Gribble, Oh,

579
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Speaker 1: I just think it's one of those It's just a checkpoint,

580
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Speaker 1: and I feel like we're just missing that this offseason.

581
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Speaker 1: I think we'll have some media availabilities here and there,

582
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Speaker 1: but and then you could kind of keep the I

583
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Speaker 1: always like to keep the Pro Days on, like in

584
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Speaker 1: the TV in the corner, like as you're going through

585
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Speaker 1: work and you kind glance up at it and you

586
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: see it, and you know, we I felt like we

587
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Speaker 1: had arrived in the year kind of understanding that Pro

588
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Speaker 1: Days we shouldn't take very seriously, you know, we we

589
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't hand ring over who's there, how someone's doing it.

590
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: We were told these are all staged workouts. I mean,

591
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: they're set up to succeed, and now we have to

592
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Speaker 1: go back to caring about them because they're really that.

593
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Speaker 1: That's about it that you have. But as far as

594
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Speaker 1: like Indianapolis, I think it goes out saying like it's

595
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Speaker 1: just a great event for the NFL. It's truly I

596
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Speaker 1: guess the super Bowl in normal years, but we're not

597
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Speaker 1: a group that has gone and done the Super Bowl

598
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Speaker 1: radio row thing very often. So for me, it's like

599
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Speaker 1: the one event of the year where the entire NFL

600
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Speaker 1: world is basically in one place, and in Indianapolis is

601
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Speaker 1: set up great for it. You run into people all

602
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: over the place, you eat some good food, you you

603
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: you get plenty of stuff to to write about and

604
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: report on. And that it's usually the unofficial start to

605
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: free agency, so you hear some rumors and rumblings about

606
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Speaker 1: what's going on in that direction, and now it's just

607
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: it's gone on. And I think it's it's crazy to

608
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: look back on last year's combine and really that was

609
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: the last time everything was normal. I mean that a

610
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: lot of crowded restaurants, a lot of crowded bars, no

611
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: one was wearing masks, and that was you come back

612
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: and within a week, I think everywhere everything was starting

613
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: to get shut down. And I think that's where it's

614
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: it's crazy that we're now one year basically removed from that,

615
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: but here's two and we'll we'll hopefully, well we should

616
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Speaker 1: be back. Whether it's Indianapolis. I don't know if that

617
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: they're looking at the locations, but I think it will

618
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Speaker 1: be Indianapolis. We keep putting everything else in Indiapolis, like

619
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Speaker 1: the tournaments going there. I mean, it's just a good hub,

620
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: so I think we'll be back there. They know how

621
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Speaker 1: to handle big events, and I know that there's scuttle

622
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: but because of what they're building out in Los Angeles

623
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Speaker 1: about you know, eventually everything moving out there. But you

624
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: can walk everywhere in Indianapolis. You can get to everywhere

625
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: you need to get to within ten minutes. And you

626
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: mentioned it like just finding out little things. I mean

627
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: there's everything. Everybody from coaches to assistant coaches, to gm

628
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: s two owners to every NFL media person is in

629
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Speaker 1: Indianapolis for those and you just learn a lot. You

630
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: learned and then it's I need to keep my eye

631
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: on this. I need to I heard this and you

632
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: hear from people that you know, know what they're what

633
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: they're doing, and what they're talking about, and it just

634
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: it helps you. It's that bridge into the NFL offseason,

635
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: and and I think not having that is just I

636
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: feel bad for the people in Indianapolis and all the

637
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: restaurants and bars and hotels and and all of them.

638
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: And but it affects all of us in terms of

639
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: really trying to get a read on some of these

640
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: players and trying to figure out who who's in play

641
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: for who as we get into free agency and the draft. Yeah,

642
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: and it's really it's evolved into more of a NFL

643
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: news event as opposed to an NFL draft event, because

644
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Speaker 1: I think we no one really says anything of interest

645
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Speaker 1: from the coach and GM side in terms of like

646
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: prospects and and all that stuff. I mean, it really

647
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Speaker 1: is those first couple of days especially, I mean it's

648
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Speaker 1: just a big event of newsmaking on the NFL calendar.

649
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: I mean, we think about it now if we're going

650
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Speaker 1: there next week, especially in Indianapolis, we might if the

651
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: trade hasn't happened yet, we'll be talking about like Carson

652
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Wentz and where he's going or some of these are quarterbacks,

653
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. I mean that would be that all this

654
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Speaker 1: stuff would be kind of coming to a head where

655
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: all these gms and coaches have to talk to media

656
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Speaker 1: members about it for extended period times. I think it's

657
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Speaker 1: I know we'll hear from Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski

658
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: and in the next few weeks or so, but they

659
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: do roughly a combined two hours worth of interviews when

660
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: they're in Indianapolis, and there's a lot of stuff to

661
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: glean from those interviews that just I know they're gonna

662
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Speaker 1: happen via zoom, but it's just not gonna be the same.

663
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Speaker 1: I think all these teams are doing it on different days.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers have already that build their media

665
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Speaker 1: obligations this week, and we'll see when the Browns do it.

666
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: But we've already heard from a lot of other teams,

667
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: and it's different when it's all on the same day.

668
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Speaker 1: There's just kind of the chaotic, like just event feeling

669
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: to it that is just not there anymore. Yeah, no,

670
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: no question. And you mentioned the quarterbacks on the move

671
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: and potentially all over the league. Don't forget two years

672
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: ago to where the O B J. Scuttle butt started. Yeah,

673
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: and look at he ended up being a member of

674
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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns just a few weeks later. Senior Bowl

675
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: was a couple of weeks ago. Hard to believe, but

676
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: we were I think we were seven days removed from

677
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: from our our loss, eliminating us from the season, and

678
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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the Senior Bowl was there.

679
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: And I know that you and your crew have done

680
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: a great job at Cleveland Browns dot com talking about

681
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: some of the players that people could watch going into

682
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Speaker 1: that Bowl game. Uh, are there is there a name

683
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: or there are a couple of names that we should

684
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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for post Senior Bowl as we

685
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Speaker 1: There's a couple that I've kind of identified, And I

686
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: gotta admit it feels weird that I've now not gone

687
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl for two straight years, which is

688
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: just a remarkable streak, uh considering I used to basically

689
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: live down there for for every single year. But two

690
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: names that I would think obviously there were some bigger

691
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: name players there that are not in the Browns world,

692
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Speaker 1: probably with their pick and their lack of need for

693
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Speaker 1: a quarterback and other positions. But two that maybe to

694
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Speaker 1: perk the Ears up a little bit one and you've

695
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: got a pardon, pardon me with pronunciation here, But the

696
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: defensive tackle Levi on Wozoique from Washington. He did not

697
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: play in he opted out of the season, but he

698
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: practiced one day at the Senior Bowl and apparently wowed

699
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people there and it has raised the

700
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: discussion if he is potentially one of the best interior

701
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: defensive linemen in this year's draft class. He had a

702
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: very good previous year at Washington, uh so, and I

703
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: think the Browns obviously have some questions about their interior,

704
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: their defensive line going into the off season. Does Larry

705
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: Ogan Joe become back? He is a free agent and

706
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: your Billings is coming back? What are you getting in

707
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: him after he opted out from the season. What is

708
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: Jordan Elliott going to become for this defensive line? So

709
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: interior defensive line certainly a position that could be addressed

710
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: in the draft. And this is someone who is being

711
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: mocked to the Browns by many people out there in

712
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: the mock drafting world at this moment. And he had

713
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: a good senior role. So that's that's someone that I

714
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: can say makes sense for the Browns who had a

715
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: very good senior role, albeit one day of practice and

716
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: then he bounced. So this, yeah, smart move. That's usually

717
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: if you're if you're one of those players that's able

718
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: to practice and not playing the game, you're probably going

719
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: in the first round, so you don't need that game.

720
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Speaker 1: Second player i'll single out is Western Michigan wide receiver

721
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: Dwayne Eskridge, who apparently he had a he impressed with speed, agility,

722
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: ability to get open. He's only five ft nine, which

723
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: is a not not very big, but the Browns can

724
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: use potentially a guy that in the inside at the

725
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: slot receiver position. He had a fantastic year at Western

726
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: Michian eight touchdowns in just six games. He's someone to watch.

727
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: He was one of the best wide receivers at the game.

728
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: And I think with the Browns, uh, you've got O'Dell

729
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: and Jarvis back. What Shard Higgins is uh going into

730
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: free agency, We'll see if he'll be back. You've got

731
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: down on people's jones. I think there's room for a

732
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: couple more players in that room potentially in the draft,

733
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Speaker 1: and Eskridge is maybe someone you could get Day two

734
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: because this is again a loaded wide receiver class in

735
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: the draft where one of the best wide receivers seasons

736
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: ever the Heisman Trophe were Davanta Smith. I'm seeing bock

737
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: drafts with him slipping into to below the top ten.

738
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Speaker 1: So a good year for wide receivers. Cold you can

739
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: potentially get one on Day two or day three. And

740
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Eskridge could be someone uh in the mix for the Browns.

741
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Two names to watch for sure now the Senior Bowls

742
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: in the rearview mirror really the only, the only post

743
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: championship game of consequence this year, uh, in this crazy,

744
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: crazy offseason, all right, before we get out of here

745
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: on this Thursday, chat Reuter from NFL dot com with

746
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: his the first of a couple. I know that he

747
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: will put out three round mock drafts now this year.

748
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: The Browns with four picks in the in the top

749
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: three rounds their number one pick at six, their pick

750
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: at fifty nine, and then their own pick at eighty

751
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: nine and the Saints pick at one if I've got

752
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: that correct, Mr Gribble. Uh. In the draft they focused

753
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: on the following a linebacker in the first round, edge

754
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: rusher in the second, corner in the third, with the

755
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: first pick wide receiver in the third with the second

756
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: pick in the first round, though he has us trading

757
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: up five picks with India number twenty one, giving up

758
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: twenty six plus a fourth and sixth. Your takeaways on

759
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: this three round mock draft, Well, I think it would

760
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: be a surprise to many people who think that they

761
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: have figured out where the Browns value positions and draft

762
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: picks for the Browns to trade up to take a linebacker.

763
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm among those people, but I

764
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people with preset opinions about

765
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: where linebacker stacks up on kind of your position values.

766
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: But Nick Bolton, I think, is the player that he

767
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: has the Browns trading up to get. He's one of

768
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: the best linebackers and the draft had a great season

769
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: in Missouri. Uh, we'll see. The trade up is not

770
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: something you're hearing talked up very much that I would

771
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: say this, this is where this where Chad is kind

772
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: of on an island here. I just that for from

773
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: the past behavior of this, of what of this front

774
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: office and what you could expect, would I be surprised

775
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: by a trade up? Maybe not, but I would be.

776
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: I would I would just imagine if you're trading up.

777
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: I would think maybe a pass rusher or a corner,

778
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 1: guys like that who we've seen. Those are the money

779
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: making positions, the ones that that that truly kind of

780
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: can make an impact. But again, there's some good linebackers.

781
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Speaker 1: And if there's a guy that fits this system well

782
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: and you you might have to go up a few

783
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: spots to get him. I don't think. I don't think

784
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Speaker 1: this group hesitate to do it because I think that

785
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: that there are specific traits and skills they're looking for.

786
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Speaker 1: And I don't think the price to move up from

787
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: one is all that much. Considering you've got nine picks

788
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: in the draft after the weirdest college football season ever,

789
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind parton with a few of those picks. Well,

790
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: and you might have to get ahead of the Steelers. Yes, yeah,

791
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: I might be picking on the defensive side of the

792
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: football as well. Something to play. Yeah, it was interesting

793
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Speaker 1: that I had someone asked me about the linebacker out

794
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: of Tulsa, Zavon Collins, who's getting mocked to the Browns

795
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: a lot at twenty six. It's and then all the

796
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: drafts that don't have them going to the Browns, it's

797
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: because the Steelers are taking. But so well, a little

798
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: little rivalry is gonna be going on because there's a

799
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: lot of similar, similar needs, I would say for for

800
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: the Browns and Steelers on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah, well,

801
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: again it's early. We're starting to see the mocks start

802
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: to roll in. Daniel Jeremiah just put one out. And

803
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: as we get to know again, as we get to

804
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: know these players and these names and these faces and

805
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: uh start to delve a little bit deeper into their background,

806
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: then we'll be able to kind of start putting names

807
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: out there. I thought it was just interesting from a

808
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: position standpoint, real quick in the final minute that we have,

809
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: would you be surprised if they went defense and three

810
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: of the first four picks? It would not surprise me.

811
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: But it just it seems too easy, Like I mean,

812
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: there's always a curveball through on un draft. I mean,

813
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: I just think that we look at what the Brons

814
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: have and you gotta think, wow, you gotta load up

815
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: on defense. I've had people right to me saying they

816
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: should use every single pick on defense, which I don't

817
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: think that will happen. We've seen teams do that. I

818
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: think the Panthers did it last year. If I'm not mistaken,

819
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: the drafted all defensive players. So maybe that happens, But

820
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: it just seems too easy to do three or four

821
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: defensive players that first day. Maybe maybe two and two

822
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go that far because I just think

823
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: there's still still some areas you can get better on offense.

824
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: I think you can add a wide receiver. I think

825
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: an area that might need to be addressed is if

826
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: you don't address it in free agency. I think you

827
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: need another tackle on this offensive line for for depth purposes.

828
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: I just think you've got to plan plan for for

829
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: those kind of situations. So could there be two offensive

830
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: players in these first four picks. It wouldn't surprise me,

831
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't find it particularly offensive either. Yeah, definitely

832
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 1: something worth watching alright. Episode one officially in the books.

833
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Speaker 1: We're back with you next week, one week closer to

834
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Make sure you log out of Cleveland

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Speaker 1: Browns dot com or wherever you get your podcasts, like

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839
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Speaker 1: Andrew Gribble and I are back with you next week.

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