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Speaker 1: Then welcome in Lakes Live.

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Speaker 2: It is Thursday night, November tenth. Hear a Laura twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, the very rare beginning of the.

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Speaker 1: Show of paper Pop.

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Speaker 2: It's only right that you should play off the way

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Speaker 2: you feel. To listen carefully to the sil Most of

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Speaker 2: you knew what that means. We are jam packed. We

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Speaker 2: are high a top an anxious downtown Nashville, Tennessee. Anxious

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Speaker 2: because a lot of us don't know what's in store

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Speaker 2: in the next forty eight hours, much less in the

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Speaker 2: next four to eight years of our sport. But we

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Speaker 2: do know that on Thursday, on this program we do

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Speaker 2: upset alert meter scale of one to ten. How nervous

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Speaker 2: should your local favorite bee? We will share that momentarily

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Speaker 2: booster culture. Sometimes it's rumored, sometimes it's factual. To have

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Speaker 2: just run amok in your program. I've got a question

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Speaker 2: about that tonight. College football and the playoff and the

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Speaker 2: expansion down the road. Just a brilliant piece written by

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Speaker 2: friend of the program Ari Wasserman over on the athletic brilliance,

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Speaker 2: and I will dive headfirst into it tonight and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: In the process. We're going deep in the mailbag really

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Speaker 2: deep tonight. We got a lot of stuff to get to.

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Speaker 1: Harrisburg, PA is tuned in.

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Speaker 2: A lot of Jesse's fan base resides in and around Harrisburg, Grove, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: Wake Forest, North Carolina, Carrollton, Georgia. As of this moment,

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Speaker 2: the YouTube channel. Remember I'm old enough to remember three

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, Colin, when our goal was to get to

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Speaker 1: Upset alerts. Look to your left, look to your right.

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Speaker 1: Is everyone comfortable?

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Speaker 2: A lot of your favored by double digits this week,

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Speaker 2: A lot of false senses of security as I see them.

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Speaker 2: So let's dive into this tonight. We're going to put

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Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten a concern level for.

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Speaker 1: Me at least.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Missouri at Tennessee a lot. If you

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Speaker 2: don't know who Tennessee plays this week, you just know

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Speaker 2: that they play this week, Well, they play Missouri. Now,

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Speaker 2: speaking of what we know, we know pretty certainly that

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's not going to the SEC championship game. There's some

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Speaker 2: weird one in a million mathematical chants, but that's not happening.

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Speaker 2: We think, I think most of us think that Tennessee

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Speaker 2: can still very much make the college football playoff, and

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Speaker 2: the odds backed that up right now, as long as

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Speaker 2: they take care of business on their end.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we know, that's what we think now

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Speaker 1: here is the total mystery.

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Speaker 2: The total mystery is how Tennessee's going to respond coming

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Speaker 2: off a loss this week. I think I have found

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Speaker 2: a comparable data point in the college football world in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two to combat, or at least to compare

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Speaker 2: to what Tennessee did last week. So Tennessee goes to

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Speaker 2: Georgia last week, they lose twenty seven to thirteen. There's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of really ridiculous arguing about that game.

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Speaker 2: Games in the past, it happened.

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Speaker 1: Move on.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember a few weeks ago we actually took

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Speaker 2: the Every Given Saturday tour out to Eugene, Oregon. We

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Speaker 2: and I find myself wondering afterwards, Ooh, I wonder what

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Speaker 2: UCLA is going to do from here. Well, they went

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Speaker 2: West Coast's version of Missouri, respectfully, and they dusted them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they never messed around, they took care of business.

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Speaker 2: They won thirty eight to thirteen. They hadn't lost a

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Speaker 2: Tennessee's gonna do. So if you want my expectation level

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Speaker 1: They lost a game.

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Speaker 2: They still got everything to play for, and it could

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Speaker 2: be that the net result of all this is they

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Speaker 2: so all that's still there. They're sold out. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Neland's been incredible this whole year. They get yet another

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna put a two on this. I don't

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Speaker 2: think Missouri's got much of a shot here. I think

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Speaker 2: good enough version of Tennessee to take care of business there.

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Speaker 2: The line I think is twenty and a half.

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Speaker 1: Next up.

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Speaker 2: I have a ton of concern about this next game.

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Speaker 2: I was driving, so I came in early this morning,

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Speaker 2: came back to the office and as I you did

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Speaker 2: not need to know all that. But my point is,

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Speaker 2: down and someone said, if I don't talk about Louisville

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Speaker 2: Clemson tonight, I am making a big mistake.

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Speaker 1: Friends.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Louisville versus Clemson. The last time you

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Speaker 2: saw the Tigers, they were getting run out of South Bend, Indiana.

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Speaker 2: There is no nice way to put that. And they

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Speaker 2: no nice way to put that.

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Speaker 3: It hurt.

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Speaker 2: I know you, guys, it was painful if you're a

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Speaker 2: Clemson Tiger fan to watch that. Well, now you're coming

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Speaker 2: home and you're playing Louisville. What are you favored by?

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Speaker 2: Seventeen twenty one, twenty eight. This is a seven point

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Speaker 2: spread on this game. Louisville's hot right now. This is

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Speaker 2: the least desirable time to be playing Scott Saderfield's team.

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Speaker 2: They're four to zero against the spread and straight up

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Speaker 2: Louisville Cardinal football games, but we do. They have thirty

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Speaker 2: four sacks on the season. They have twenty four takeaways

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Speaker 2: on the season. That's tied for first in FBS. Jesse,

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Speaker 2: could you please check that for me? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The number just feels a little weird to me. Check

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Speaker 2: the thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Sacks for me, please. I don't expect you to be

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Speaker 1: able to tell me immediately it is correct. Yeah, that's correct. Okay,

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Speaker 1: good to hear from you, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: Look, Louisville can take the ball away from you, and

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Speaker 2: Louisville can really disrupt you defensively. Now, since twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: we did not have a big sample size to look

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Speaker 2: at Clemson at home since twenty sixteen as a single

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Speaker 2: digit favorite, there were only three of those instances. Of course,

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Speaker 2: they're three and oh straight up in single digit spread

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Speaker 2: home games. That's a pretty fine filter there. And this

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Speaker 2: is the fourth one. What do you think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get from them this week? There's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: the Clemson football program? I've got concerns here. I gotta

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Speaker 2: be real with you. I did not see last week coming.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be fooled again. As to who

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Speaker 2: would say I'm gonna put an eight on this, I

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Speaker 2: am deeply concerned about Clemson this week.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any money on this game. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna make it a best bet.

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Speaker 2: The model likes Clemson actually, but me and the model,

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Speaker 2: as you know, have been at odds as of late.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even talking to the model right now, to

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, I can't even look at it direction.

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Speaker 2: But let's move on, so be careful Clemson is my message.

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Speaker 2: Georgia at Mississippi State, now we chose we made an

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Speaker 2: executive decision. By we, I mean me not to do

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Speaker 2: a game breakdown on this particular matchup.

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Speaker 1: Will we live to regret that? Well?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, because I don't think Mississippi State's

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Speaker 2: gonna win the game.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be within single digits. I

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Speaker 2: But Mississippi State averaging the fourth most points per game

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Speaker 2: in the SEC, that's respectable. Of course, Georgia allows the

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Speaker 2: second fewest. Now Here is the wild stat like a

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Speaker 2: This is popworthy.

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Speaker 1: This is not a typo.

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Speaker 2: Georgia has allowed seventeen touchdowns in their last twenty one

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Speaker 2: regular season games.

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Speaker 1: I'll repeat it, Georgia Bulldogs there in Athens.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one touchdowns allowed in their last or seventeen touchdowns

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Speaker 1: Do you know who number two is? Let me spoil

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Speaker 1: it for you. Number two is Iowa. Georgia's given up

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Speaker 1: seventeen in their last twenty one regular season games. The

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Speaker 1: second closest team is Iowa, and they've given up thirty six.

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Speaker 1: That's more than twice as many as Georgia has given up.

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Speaker 1: Gross So that's what you got on your plate this weekend.

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Speaker 1: If you're Mississippi State, it's great that at home against

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Speaker 1: SEC competition, Mississippi States hanging forty a game. That's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It will not happen this week, nor will thirty happen

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Speaker 2: in all likely hood. But let's see what Will Rogers

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Speaker 2: had now or has. Because I do have this one

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Speaker 2: I could not get it out.

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Speaker 1: Of my memory. It was from two years ago.

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Speaker 2: You will recall Mississippi State comes into Athens. They had

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Speaker 2: like fourteen scholarship players or something ridiculous like that, and

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Speaker 2: they took Georgia to the absolute wire. And that is

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Speaker 2: the last time that I've seen these two teams play.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be that close. I'm

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Speaker 2: putting a three on this game because you have the

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Speaker 2: standard letdown spot here. The last time we saw Georgia

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Speaker 2: go on the road to Missouri, it was a close game.

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Speaker 2: I just think Kirby Smart's got that team's full attention.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I do not think we will see it, but I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna put a three.

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Speaker 1: Just in case.

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Speaker 2: What about Washington at Oregon, we already broke this game down.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I just posted the preview video for those

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Speaker 2: of you who want to see the individual preview from

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Speaker 2: the show Tuesday night on the Channel in the last

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Speaker 2: few hours. Oregon's got a leaky secondary the number back

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Speaker 2: that up.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: Oregon's linebacker unit, for whatever reason, very it's talented, but

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Speaker 2: they can be had in pass pro. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you are able to work in the middle and such

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Speaker 2: an effective fashion as Michael Pennock's in this Washington passing

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Speaker 2: collateral damage done in the process.

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Speaker 1: You don't just.

441
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 2: Get get get without giving something up. So the entire

442
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 2: question has always been, and should have always been, is

443
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: what we're giving up worth what we're getting If you

444
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 2: support expansion, this is where we differ. Your answer to

445
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 2: that is yes, it's worth it, And where I differ

446
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 2: is my answer has been, no, what we give up

447
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 2: is more than what we get that's really where our opinions,

448
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:43,159
Speaker 2: I guess diverge. But Ari Wasserman made the point and

449
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 2: it was a brilliant quote. It was so brilliant that

450
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 2: I actually want to pull it up. Last week was

451
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 2: an incredible week, and it fascinated me as we were

452
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: going through it different people's perspectives because I had a

453
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: lot of folks glued to Tennessee George, I had a

454
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: lot of folks lou to Alabama, LSU. And these are

455
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: the same people who tell me that they've longed for

456
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 2: a postseason model that keeps some of these big boys out,

457
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: keep the same teams away from the table. And yet

458
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 2: they're watching a regular season game where Bama's playoff life

459
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 2: is on the line, and they lose, and you're going

460
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 2: crazy all over the country with excitement, and they storm

461
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 2: the field.

462
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: In Baton Rouge.

463
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: And yet the expansionists for watching a playoff game happen

464
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,439
Speaker 2: and they don't even realize or acknowledge it as a

465
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: playoff game. And Ari he wrote the following, there were

466
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: no college football playoff logos on the field in Baton

467
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,680
Speaker 2: Rouge on Saturday, but we all got a playoff.

468
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,919
Speaker 1: Game in November. You sure did. You absolutely got a

469
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 1: playoff game in November.

470
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,120
Speaker 2: You're probably going to get a playoff game when Ohio

471
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: State plays Michigan. You got a playoff game when Ohio

472
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 2: State went up there and played Penn State. The beauty

473
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 2: of the the current structure of this sport is you

474
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 2: don't have four playoff teams. You got a bunch of

475
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 2: teams that are playoff worthy and then they filter themselves

476
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: down to a finite final few. But there are playoff

477
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: games all throughout October and November in this sport always

478
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 2: has been that way, ever since they expanded it.

479
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 1: The regular season urgency.

480
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: Is something that you cannot duplicate, you cannot manufacture it.

481
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 2: There are a lot of different folks that there were

482
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: different opinions on what kind of detrimental impact playoff expansion

483
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: will have on the regular season. If you're like me,

484
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 2: you're in these environments and you understand the way Tennessee,

485
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: Georgia felt last weekend will not be felt in the

486
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: expanded playoff era. Now, those of you who support expansion,

487
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: you say it's worth it. I simply say it's not

488
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: worth it, because there is nothing else like that on Earth,

489
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: or at least in the continental United States.

490
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: There is no other sporting environment like that. I was

491
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: there last week. There's nothing.

492
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 2: And what you cannot do is you cannot expand the playoff,

493
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: but put seeding on the line or maybe a first

494
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: round by on the line, and expect folks to treat

495
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: that game the same way, and expect the college football

496
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: public to feel the same way about that game won't happen.

497
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: It simply will not happen.

498
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: The urgency that this sport has, the no safety net

499
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: effect that this sport has, is its most precious commodity,

500
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: the integrity of the regular season, the most precious commodity. Anyway,

501
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: you've heard me talk about that. But here's what I

502
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: want to draw your attention to for a second. So,

503
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 2: for the longest time, the convenient argument, it was a

504
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: dishonest argument, and I knew it at the time, But

505
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: for a long time, some of the more dishonest casuals

506
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 2: amongst the campfire started telling you, we've got to expand

507
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: the playoff, And you said, why do we have to?

508
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: That's pretty forceful language.

509
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: Well, don't you see what Alabama's doing, don't you see

510
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: what Clemson's doing. Don't you see that they're using the

511
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: current playoff model to distance themselves because it is a vicious,

512
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: self serving cycle.

513
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: The precious few.

514
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 2: Make it in and then they profit off of it figuratively,

515
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: of course, and literally, and then they further distance themselves

516
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: and separate themselves. And we're just gonna have superpower programs,

517
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 2: And how will we ever rain Alabama and Clemson back

518
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: in if we don't make these changes. You notice how

519
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: no one said that this year. You notice how you

520
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 2: haven't really heard that said the last few weeks amongst

521
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: the expansionists. We need expansion to keep Bama out and

522
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: keep clemsing out. Yeah, it's because it was always a

523
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: dishonest argument, because that was never what was needed. What

524
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: you needed to do sit around and wait, and that's

525
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: really all you needed to do, because that's the way

526
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: this sport works, even in the modern day. And here's

527
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: the other thing. It's kind of a harsh realization. If

528
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: you've been peddling that garbage for four or five years,

529
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: you have to face the fact now that the only

530
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: hope that Alabama and Clemson would have this year is

531
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: your model. Mine is the one that would keep them out,

532
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: which you say you've wanted for so long yours is

533
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: the one that would have two loss. Nick Saban and

534
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: Alabama saying, guys, look, season hasn't gone the way we want,

535
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: but as we all know, we've got to lose at

536
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: least a quarter of our games before we're out of

537
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: the playoff. Like, how lame is that? Do you imagine

538
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: Alabama having more wiggle room? Can you imagine Clemson having

539
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: more wiggle room? That's what you guys are.

540
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: Signing up for. Now, let me tell you what happens there.

541
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: What happens there is you got folks say, well, remember, Josh,

542
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: remember now, it was never about crowning a different champion.

543
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: We're realists. We all know the same champions will largely

544
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: be crowned. But it's about the journey. We want to

545
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: make the journey.

546
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 2: More meaningful for more people. We've got to make November

547
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: matter for more teams. No, you need to go sit

548
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 2: by the garbage for a little while, because you're the

549
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: one who made November meaningless when you convince folks that

550
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: if they're not playing for a play else spot, their

551
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: games don't mean anything. See in two thousand and seven,

552
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: no one said meaningless November game. No one said that

553
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 2: that phrase had not even been born yet in two

554
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, no one talked about meaningless Bowl games.

555
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: It was the expansionists that came along and decided to

556
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: worship at the altar of the CFP and worship at

557
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: the altar of a lot of folks who wear suits

558
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: worth more than their wardrobe that they'll never meet, looking

559
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 2: to line their pockets, and fool you in the process

560
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: into supporting the process that will line their pockets.

561
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: And you fell for it, hook line and sinker, and.

562
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: You got convinced that if you're not playing for the playoff,

563
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: what is this eight win team playing in November mean nothing?

564
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: It's meaningless, So you don't get to make the mess.

565
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 2: But then instruct me on how to clean up the mess. Now,

566
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: if you made the mess, you go sit in time

567
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: out and you let folks who aren't responsible for it

568
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: clean it up. I'm not gonna trust you to clean

569
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: up your own mess. You're the one who made it.

570
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: Go sit over there. So I am respectfully, but forced

571
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: not really interested in the people who made the mess,

572
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 2: the people who created this false notion that there are

573
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 2: meaningless games in November. I'm not interested in their solution

574
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 2: for how we make those games mean more.

575
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: Never been interested in that.

576
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: And the other thing that Ari Wasserman hit in this

577
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: piece on the athletic that was brutal. But to the

578
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: point is the everyone deserves a path argument. Everyone's got

579
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: a path, Well, let me rephrase, because everyone doesn't have

580
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: a path.

581
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: Everyone who needs.

582
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: To have a path to a national championship in major

583
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: college football has a path because, as he says in

584
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: this piece, and as is the case, there is no

585
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: Power five college football team that begins the season with

586
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: no path. Because there's no Power five college football team

587
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: in a four team playoff format that's going to go

588
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: undefeated and not have.

589
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: A spot in the playoff.

590
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: It won't happen from today moving forward, it will not happen.

591
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: Your counterpoint is, well, there's more to college football at

592
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: the major level than just the Power five and that's.

593
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: Where the cold hard truth has to be swallowed. There

594
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't be if.

595
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: We're truly worried about crowning a national champion in major

596
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: college football. The cold hard truth is acknowledging the University

597
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: of Georgia and Georgia Southern do not play the same sport.

598
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: And it's always been foolish to pretend they do. LSU

599
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: and Tulane, respectfully, do not play the same sport at

600
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: the same level. The letters FBS pretending that there's this

601
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: umbrella under which one hundred and thirty or one hundred

602
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: and thirty one equal teams reside is nonsense. I was

603
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: in Athens last Friday night and I toured that facility.

604
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: They've got stuff there you would not have in Statesboro, Georgia.

605
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: If you ran that program at peak efficiency for another

606
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: century and they just stood still in Athens, you're existing

607
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: on different planets. That's not a knock on Georgia, Southern.

608
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: It's a great program in states Broo, It's just a

609
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: different world. We all understand that, even the most ardent

610
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: of expansionists in the room understand that. Yet, why in

611
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: the world do we believe the answer is lowering the bar,

612
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: which should be excellence to include you in a tournament

613
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: to crown a champion. Why is it that we are

614
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: concerned about lowering the bar to just be very good

615
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: instead of excellent for the sake of inclusion and including teams.

616
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: To make people feel good.

617
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: I guess from these pools here that have no comparison

618
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: to the oceans over.

619
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: Here makes no sense. It never has.

620
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: What I've always been a supporter of is a separate

621
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: playoff for the G five. You want to call it that,

622
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: I've always been a supporter of that because there's logic

623
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: behind that. There's no logic in pretending that Miami of

624
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: Ohio and the University of Miami play.

625
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: The same sport. They don't. One has access to things

626
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: the other will never have access to. It's not the NFL.

627
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: First off, there are thirty TI teams in the NFL.

628
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: So when you tell me, well, everyone's got a shot

629
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: at their postseason, the NFL stands for National Football League.

630
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: First off, it is an entity that solely exists for

631
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: football to be played within. Colleges were not built with

632
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: football or athletics in mind.

633
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: They came along, in some cases decades later, in some

634
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: cases over a century later, and everyone's got different stuff,

635
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: and everyone's got different rules, and everyone's got different geographical limitations.

636
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: It's not it's not perfectly congruently built. It's never been

637
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: that way.

638
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 2: And so you know, we've tried to kind of shoehorn

639
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: it in to a model that most readily duplicates what

640
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: the pro models do. It's never been it's never been

641
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: meant for that. And so Ari, look, I would encourage

642
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: you guys to go read this. I could go all

643
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: day on this. I would just leave you with this

644
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: and ask yourself this, Are you complicit in supporting the

645
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: devaluing of our most precious commodity simply to line the

646
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: pocket of people you've never met? And you'll never know,

647
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: because a lot of you are. And I don't want

648
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: to tell you how to think, but I'm gonna tell.

649
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: You how to think.

650
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: There's gonna come a day down the road where we

651
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: get this. We're not fighting against it anymore. It's going

652
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: to happen.

653
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: We all know that. I get that.

654
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: I am telling you unequivocally, there's going to come a

655
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: day down the road where we're there and you look

656
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: around and it looks so good on the outside, and

657
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: then you get inside of it and you realize.

658
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Is this? It? Is? This?

659
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Speaker 3: It?

660
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: Because just as sure as a lot of us, myself included,

661
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: who cursed the BCS up and down and longed for

662
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: the four team playoff look back with regret now, so

663
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: too will you. A lot of you will look back

664
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: with regret at this four team model that you curse

665
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: up and down, and you want more meaningful games, and

666
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: you know the talking points.

667
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't need to repeat them, and you're gonna get

668
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: there and you're gonna realize what you had and what

669
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: you lost.

670
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: It's that lyric that I stole from Stevie Nicks and

671
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: Fleet Mack at the beginning of the show. It's only

672
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: right that you should play off the way you feel.

673
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: But listen carefully to the sound number nine on the

674
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: Greatest Hits album.

675
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: Let's get to the next question, shall we? Sidelines?

676
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: BBAMA hit us up today and they said, I'm curious

677
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: to see what I had to say about the recent

678
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: opinions by the media on if Nick Saban has changed

679
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: his stance on the Alabama Standards. Saw a few articles

680
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: referencing Saban's recent comments on players being focused on a championship.

681
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: I've seen what they're talking about. If you haven't.

682
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: Saban actually did an interview with ESPN within the last

683
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: couple of hours. I think it was Mark Schlabaugh who

684
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: released it, and he was talking about how he feels

685
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: like this year's Alabama team has been a little more

686
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: result oriented, goal oriented. And what's funny is if you're

687
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: like me and you grew up listening to various motivational

688
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: speakers or whatnot. You were taught. That's a good thing.

689
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: You were taught. You need to define your goals. You

690
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: need to be goal oriented, and if you listen to

691
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 2: folks like Nick Saban talk, it's the antithesis of what

692
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: they preach.

693
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: They do preach goal setting.

694
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: They do preach that, but then their entire process consists

695
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: of taking the goal, putting it to the side, and

696
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 2: instead of focusing on the goal, instead of focusing on the.

697
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Mountaintop, you focus on the process. You focus on the climb.

698
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 2: You focus on putting one foot in front of the

699
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: next foot in front of the next foot, because that's

700
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 2: the only way a mountain actually gets climbed, that's the

701
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: only way that the goal actually ever gets accomplished. You

702
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: can stare at the mountaintop all day, you can really

703
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: want to get to that mountaintop, but at the end

704
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: of the day, you've gotten no closer to the mountaintop,

705
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: cause why well, you're focused on the goal instead of

706
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: the process. No, nothing about that has changed. Nothing about

707
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: how Nick Saban feels at age seventy one about the

708
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: Alabama standard and the process that they've clearly defined around

709
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: there has changed what he is saying and what I

710
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: think he'll admit more as the season comes to a

711
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: close and he does a lot of reflection publicly and

712
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: in some cases on this year is we had a

713
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 2: results oriented team a little bit more this year. And

714
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: then he's going to have to dive into why is

715
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: it just a unique confluence of events? Is it just

716
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: a specific group of kids that for whatever reason, they

717
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: couldn't wire the right way, like they've virtually developed a

718
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: patent to be able to do there? Maybe so, or

719
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: maybe he finds that there are other elements that have

720
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: seeped into his program. That's for him to know. None

721
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: of us have that view, only he has that view.

722
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: But no, I don't think there's been anything that's changed

723
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 2: there now. I think what you're also hearing from him

724
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: right now, And if you read that feature on ESPN

725
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: dot com and you listen to his press conferences, he's

726
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: really quick to defend his coordinators, and he's really quick

727
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: to say, no, I'm not putting blame on anyone but me,

728
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: because I'm the one that sees the game plan, I'm

729
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: the one that approves the game plan. I hear every

730
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: play that's called in the game. I've got the power

731
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: to veto any play, and I don't do it. He's

732
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: getting rid of those coordinators. It's exactly what he want.

733
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: I would say right now if he planned on eventually

734
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: getting rid of those coordinators. So I said the other day,

735
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 2: I think both of them will be gone at the

736
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: end of the year. I still think both of them

737
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 2: will be gone at the end of the year. What

738
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm curious about is his theory on the transfer portal

739
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: and if it's changed at all, because they went into

740
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: the portal and you know a lot of people are

741
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: saying they shouldn't have done it. Well, Jamier Gibbs is

742
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: one of the best players on their team right now.

743
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't know where in the world they'd be without him.

744
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: But there were some other examples, famously with Jermaine Burton,

745
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 2: for example, where it hasn't been fruitful at all. Now,

746
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: is that a Jermaine Burton problem? Is that a wide

747
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 2: receiver coach? Is that an offensive coordinator? Again, I don't know.

748
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: I'm not the one qualified to diagnose that he is.

749
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: But as you go and you zoom out and you

750
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: look at Bama from fifty thousand feet. No, nothing about

751
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: that process has changed, and I can also confidently tell

752
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 2: you Nick Saban is not going to bend an inch

753
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: on redefining that process for the more modernized player. Players

754
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: haven't changed over two years. They just want a title

755
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: two years ago. People haven't changed that much over a

756
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: twenty four month stretch. So there's something that's not exactly

757
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 2: right with this year's team. He probably already knows what

758
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: it is. We will have theories and whether he wants

759
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: to confirm him down the road or not, that's on him.

760
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: But no, I don't think he has redefined the Alabama

761
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: standard whatsoever. Next question, please, I have not taken a

762
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: single sip out of the chalice of Choice Liquids.

763
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: This looks really red tonight.

764
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: By the way, maybe read maybe Maroon, I don't know, Crimson.

765
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Colin also wants me to remind you please

766
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: like the video and subscribe to the.

767
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: Channel we have. Well I don't have internet right now,

768
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: Actually I do. Yeah, we can do better than this.

769
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: We got five hundred and forty three. So yeah, thumbs

770
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: up button when I say click the like button, that's

771
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: what I mean that little thumbs up there. The next

772
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: question from Zach. Zach asks, is there any validity to

773
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: the idea that one of them important purposes of bowl

774
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: games is serving as a measuring stick for conference comparison

775
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: from Aurora, Colorado.

776
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: No, Zach, to me, there is not.

777
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: What Zach is asking is you know, as sure as

778
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: the day is long, when we get to December, bowl

779
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: season is gonna come around. The casuals will call some

780
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: of meaningless. The rest of us will say, Okay.

781
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: Robert Dunder, get out of here.

782
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: We are going to watch bowl season because we like

783
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: watching college football games, and we're gonna watch and we're

784
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: just gonna watch them for what they are. Then there's

785
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: gonna be another group out there, you know it's coming

786
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: that starts comparing conference bowl record and the ACC, which

787
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: has been hot trash this year, could randomly get off

788
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: to a four and one start, and someone somewhere is

789
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: gonna try and convince you, Oh, the ACC it turns

790
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: out they were good this year.

791
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: No, it turns out.

792
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: Their four to one in bowl season. That's all that means.

793
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: That is all it means. I have seen some of

794
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: the most randomized bowl results conference wise, year over year

795
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: than in no shape, form or fashion reflects what the

796
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: regular season showed us. Now what would help is if

797
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: we had more out of conference matchups. I mean, it's

798
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: true that there are a critical few number of data

799
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 2: points wherein we can really measure conference against conference, but

800
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: ball season doesn't do it. Think about what we're asking

801
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: and think about what.

802
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: It would take.

803
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: There is a way you could structure ball season to

804
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: where it would measure conference strength. But what it would

805
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: take is it would take number one, removing the playoffs

806
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: so that you could have every team capable of being

807
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: placed in a normal bowl.

808
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: And from that point you would have to seed the bulls.

809
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: I would have to be watching the ACC's number two

810
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: team against the Big Tens number two team. I'd have

811
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: to be watching Big twelve number four against SEC number four.

812
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: Then and only then would we really be measuring relative

813
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: conference strength, because then and only then would we have

814
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: the conferences perfectly aligned. As it stands, now, what happens

815
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: is you'll have like the Big Tens number two team

816
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: against the Pac twelve's number four team. I'm just using examples.

817
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how they match up, but you

818
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: have uneven.

819
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 1: Bowl matchups, and so I don't learn anything.

820
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: If the ACC's number two team beats the SEC's number

821
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: six team by four points. That doesn't tell me anything

822
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: about how much stronger the ACC is. What would tell

823
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: me a little something is if I saw ACC number

824
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: six beat SEC number six, and also ACC number three

825
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: beat SEC number three.

826
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: That stuff would tell me a little more.

827
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: But no, Zach, I don't watch bowl season and use

828
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: it to measure conference strength at all. Now, even if

829
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: you used to think about how much more irrelevant that

830
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: point is, even than it used to be. You didn't

831
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: used to have to worry about bowl opt outs. You

832
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: may have worried about disproportionate motivation levels, but that's bowl season.

833
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: But nowadays, unfortunately, you've got to worry about opt outs too.

834
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: So ironically, the higher the bowl seed, the higher that

835
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: team's pre says and expectations may have been, and therefore

836
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: maybe they underachieved, and they've gotten multiple guys who could

837
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: be NFL bounds sitting out, so they're more vulnerable. And

838
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: so you got a team that goes ten and two

839
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: and they get beat thirty eight to thirteen in a

840
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: bowl game where they overrated all year, or did that

841
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: bowl game exist in a different galaxy than the regular

842
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: season existed, So no, Zach, I don't take bullseason to

843
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: mean that at all for me. Next up, we've got

844
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: a good flow going all of a sudden. I don't

845
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: like the way the mic is situated on the shirt though.

846
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: We're gonna make some mic changes in twenty twenty three

847
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: around here.

848
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: That's my resolution already.

849
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Trip up, next, he said, out of the major candidates

850
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: we've all heard being mentioned for the Auburn job, which candidate,

851
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: if any, can stand up to and when necessary pushed

852
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: back against the.

853
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: Strong booster culture on the planes, and.

854
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: He threw some names in Rain and Louder. That would

855
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 2: be Jimmy Rain and Bobby Louder from Columbus, Georgia.

856
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: Trip is okay.

857
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: There are a lot of stereotypes in college football, and

858
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: one of the stereotypes around Auburn football is that they

859
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: have a very, very toxic booster culture.

860
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: I will admit to you, having.

861
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: Also come from just north of Columbus, Georgia, having grown

862
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: up near the program, having now multiple friends within the program,

863
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 2: there are elements of that stereotype that have validity to them.

864
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: Auburn's not the only program in America, by the way,

865
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: that's had some booster issues from time to time. Fact is,

866
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 2: you've got to have them find me the program out

867
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 2: there that's operating with the kind of budget that these

868
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: sorts of programs operate with, which requires deep pockets, which

869
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: requires generous people to come forward and dig into those

870
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: pockets and want nothing in return.

871
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: It's not possible, it's not fee.

872
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: If people are writing you seven figure checks, they're gonna

873
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: want a little say.

874
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: The fine balance is how do you give them a say? Like,

875
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 1: how do you decide?

876
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Okay, are you gonna be happy with a box seat

877
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: and a couple of bricks out here outside the stadium

878
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: with your kids' names on them, and we'll name a

879
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: gate after you and we'll give you in five of

880
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: your friends sideline access pregame for a couple of conference

881
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: games this year.

882
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: Is that good enough in exchange for your donation?

883
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: Or do you want to meet with the defensive coordinator

884
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: on Thursday to go over the game plan? Because one

885
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: of those things is okay, the other is not. Do

886
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: you want to say so in who we hire as

887
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: the AD?

888
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: One of those is okay? One is not. At Auburn.

889
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 2: Yes, it is true that there are some big names

890
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: around there that in some cases in the past have

891
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: probably stepped over the line a step of three or five.

892
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: But here's what I always do, and this is not

893
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: aimed at trip or anyone specifically. I just want to

894
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: ask generically, think about your opinion of the Auburn football program.

895
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: Just do me a favor.

896
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 2: If you're driving around listening, or if you're watching on YouTube,

897
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you like five seconds think in your

898
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: mind when I ask you, what is your opinion of

899
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: Auburn football? In other words, what has been the biggest

900
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 2: problem maybe around Auburn football. Jeopardy music, Jeopardy music, Okay,

901
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: don't don't?

902
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: What is your answer? And chances are a lot of

903
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: you were saying, oh dude, they're boosters.

904
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: Man, those boosters are out of control. Here's a little

905
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: exercise for you. Name me the booster and give me

906
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: the specific details. I would love specific examples that you're

907
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: aware of. Because you, guys answered this question really quickly.

908
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 2: I heard you, what are the specific examples, who are

909
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 2: the specific people and what did they do specifically? Most

910
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: of you don't have an answer for that. Now stop

911
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: to think why did you so quickly.

912
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: Give me a generic answer but can't give me the

913
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: specific because if you ask me what is.

914
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: Your favorite food, and I say cheesecake, and you ask

915
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: me why, I'm gonna talk for ten minutes and tell

916
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 2: you exactly why. But I ask you what's Auburn's problem?

917
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: And you guys say boosters, and I say, oooh, what

918
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: did they do? And a lot of you, not all

919
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: of you, some of you may have specifics, but a

920
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: lot of you say, oh.

921
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know, just they're out of control. Yeah, what

922
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: does that mean? Well, they just you know, they're too toxic.

923
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, you can't win? Would those folks?

924
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: You're not giving me specifics.

925
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to nail you to the wall, and you're

926
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: the square of jello that keeps falling down. A lot

927
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: of the stuff gets overblown. It's what I'm trying to

928
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: tell you. Auburn does not have a program full of angels.

929
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: Auburn does not have a booster class full of angels.

930
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: Nor does Alabama, nor does Georgia, nordes Florida. They all

931
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 2: got these problems. Auburn has won a national championship in

932
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: the last fifteen years with those problems. Now, I know

933
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: a lot of you could team up and write a

934
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: book by six am tomorrow describing how they won that

935
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: championship in your mind and would probably go down some

936
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: of the same roads we just went down a second ago.

937
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: My point is is, sometimes, and this is going to

938
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: be a bold claim, but I'm just going to ask

939
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: you to follow me. What if I told you sometimes

940
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 2: things get said on Twitter, on message boards, on talk radio,

941
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 2: and what you heard someone else say kind of catches

942
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: your ear the way you want it to catch and

943
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: you say, hmm, I don't like Auburn. Sounds like they're

944
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: toxic on the inside. I'm gonna roll with that, is

945
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: my opinion. Now, you don't.

946
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: Necessarily have fact to back it up. You don't have details.

947
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: If I were to take you in for questioning and

948
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: hook you up to a polygraph machine, you wouldn't be

949
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: able to pass with any specifics.

950
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: You just want to believe it.

951
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: A lot of you want to believe Auburn's corrupt, and

952
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: sometimes Auburn does a lot to help you out. But

953
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: in this specific case, they just hired a new ad.

954
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: The question was who is the right candidate to lead

955
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: the Auburn program and deal with the booster culture.

956
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, the very generic fence writing answer is whoever John

957
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: Cohen decides it is, he's the new athletic director there. Now,

958
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm intentionally not getting specific is because

959
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: I don't know John Cohen. Now, if you want to

960
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: know whether some of these coaches are interested, yeah, I

961
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: think Lane Kiffin's interested in the job. Yeah, I think

962
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: Hugh Freeze is interested in the job. In fact, I

963
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: have zero doubt about both of those statements. I don't

964
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: know whether John Cohen is interested in them, is my point.

965
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: But if he's truly being allowed to make this higher independently.

966
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: Well let's go back to the question what about those boosters?

967
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: Now this is an if. This is an if.

968
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: We can't know what's going on behind the scenes there.

969
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: But if he's being able and allowed to have autonomy

970
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: in this higher, haven't we already made progress there? And certainly,

971
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: as I've told you before, like I think this job

972
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: is sort of a sleeping giant. Right now, it's been

973
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: a mess, But what it could be in the future,

974
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: with the Nil reservoir they've got built up there, with

975
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: the facilities they're about to open, with the fact that

976
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: Nick Saban's not going to be Bama forever, with the

977
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: fact that that schedule when they restructure this conference could

978
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: lighten up, or at least someone else's schedule could get

979
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: as hard as Auburn's could be very attractive in the

980
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: transfer portal with the right coach, like Auburn's going to

981
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: be a really good job if you hire the right candidate,

982
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: if your boosters are out of the way. I'm just saying,

983
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 2: sometimes you hear things about Auburn's boosters that's a little

984
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: more fairy tale than reality. Now here's the other side

985
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: of that coin. Sometimes things go on inside that program

986
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 2: that never see the light of day that would probably

987
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: make these stories sound like fairy tales that you were able.

988
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: To tell your child. I understand all of that.

989
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, if it truly is a new day,

990
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: there a lot of this could be in the past.

991
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: It's strictly up to Auburn.

992
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: It's strictly up to them, and that that's how the

993
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: story has to end. Right now, next question, This one's

994
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: going to be good. Let me let me hydrate right

995
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: quick again. Devin come to us, and Devin asked, why

996
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: do I keep saying this transfer portal cycle is going

997
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: to be so wild? Do I have any hints from Odessa, Texas. Yes,

998
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: I've got you some hints. Every coach I've spoken to

999
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: swears this transfer portal cycle is going to be the

1000
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: wildest thing that you've seen in college football in a

1001
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: long time. Now, when I press them on it, they've

1002
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: got a couple of reasons. The first is you'll just

1003
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: have the usual exodus or what will come to be

1004
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 2: known as the usual amount. So there's a certain operating guidance,

1005
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: there's a certain expected normal if you will, like, if

1006
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: you move to Odessa, Texas, it's going to be one

1007
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: hundred degrees in August. We're just trying to figure out

1008
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: if it's going to be one hundred and thirty five degrees.

1009
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: If it's one hundred, that's normal. If it's one thirty five,

1010
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: we got to figure out why in the world I

1011
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: can fry an egg on my driveway at ten am. Well,

1012
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: with the transfer portal, I think we're going to hit

1013
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 2: that one hundred and thirty five degree equivalent. And one

1014
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: of the reasons is you're going to have normal. But

1015
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: then you've also got waves of kids, remember that are

1016
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,919
Speaker 2: enrolled somewhere that they never visited. Now this is two

1017
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: cycles old, but you still got some kids at Kansas

1018
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: State or North Carolina or cal or wherever that committed

1019
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: and signed during COVID and may have never taken visits,

1020
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: and maybe they didn't take the first opportunity to hit

1021
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 2: the portal last year. But there are still going to

1022
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 2: be waves of kids this year and even next year

1023
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: that want to live out that process that they didn't

1024
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: get to live out.

1025
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 1: You've got that factor in play.

1026
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: Then there's another factor that is going to become the

1027
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: new normal, and hardly anyone's talking about it yet. And

1028
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: they are called portal samplers. This is going to be

1029
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: a phenomenon. There's going to be one or two high

1030
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: profile examples of it, and then there'll be twenty, and

1031
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: then there'll be five hundred of them, and it'll happen

1032
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: really really quick. A portal sampler is a kid that

1033
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: is enrolled at Pate State Universe and really has no

1034
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 2: intention of transferring, but he wants more NIL money in

1035
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 2: a sense, he wants to renegotiate his nil in a sense,

1036
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: he wants to test the open market. And so my

1037
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: middle linebacker here at Payt State walks into my office

1038
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 2: and says, Coach, I'm entering the portal, and then he

1039
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: enters the portal.

1040
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 1: What's he going to do in the portal? He could

1041
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: be negotiating with me or can't negotiate with me, wink wink.

1042
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: He could negotiate with poopstever around pat State runs our collective,

1043
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: the freight's collective. He could be talking to folks at Georgia.

1044
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: He could be talking to folks at.

1045
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: Tennessee, at Ohio State. He also could really want to leave.

1046
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: And this is where the wildest speculation.

1047
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: Is going to happen.

1048
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: This is where coaches are going to pull their absolute

1049
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: hair out.

1050
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: You got a kid that goes into the portal.

1051
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 2: Now you've got to figure out whether he's a portal sampler,

1052
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: is he hanging out in the portal, or is he

1053
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: really going in the portal. So not only do we

1054
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: have to worry about kids going to the portal, we

1055
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: gotta worry about whether they're serious about it or not.

1056
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: Like do I go to him and he tells me,

1057
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: don't worry, don't worry, I'll be back. I'm just gonna

1058
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: get some more money or coach, it's been real, but

1059
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: I gotta go. They got something for me down here.

1060
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: You don't have I want to go closer to home,

1061
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: could be for any of a number of reasons.

1062
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: When you can buin in all those factors, and.

1063
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 2: Especially with the portal sampler crowd, understand what kind of

1064
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: chain reaction that's going to have when part of your

1065
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: roster sees the other part of your roster go into

1066
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 2: the portal or let's just say a few kids do

1067
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: it this cycle, but it's high profile, and the rest

1068
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: of the sport sees that those kids ended up getting

1069
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty percent more than otherwise they would

1070
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: have had just because of the threat of leaving.

1071
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: Do you understand what happens to the other rosters? Do

1072
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: you understand quickly what happens in the mind of anybody.

1073
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't care how old you are.

1074
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: You could be twenty, you could be two hundred, when

1075
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 2: you know that you've got an opportunity to make more money.

1076
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: And some of these guys are going pro in something

1077
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 2: other than sports, as the NCAA come Mershall.

1078
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: Say this is the biggest earnings window in a lot

1079
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: of their lifetimes.

1080
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: Eighteen to twenty two is gonna be it for a

1081
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: lot of them. You think they're gonna sit there knowing

1082
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: this option is on the table and not at least

1083
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: consider the portal. That's what coaches are talking about right now,

1084
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: that's what everyone's expecting.

1085
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: So if you don't like this, if.

1086
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 2: You're kind of queasy when you listen to me talk

1087
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: about this, my suggestion to you, Fred is, check out

1088
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: our National Signing Day show, the early Signing Day show,

1089
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Speaker 2: check out our National Signing Day show in.

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00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: February, and then take a break. Now.

1091
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 2: I want you to watch the show, but do not

1092
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 2: check Twitter. Do not check your normal college football news

1093
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 2: watering holes. It's gonna be, it's gonna be a little ugly.

1094
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be for the faint.

1095
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: Of heart for quite a while. You're gonna have.

1096
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: In some cases, I had a head coach tell me

1097
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 2: the other day, we think forty percent of our roster

1098
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: could overturn this cycle with a combination of kids who

1099
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: are gonna leave the draft, kids who are going to

1100
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: transfer out, kids that we're going to bring in in

1101
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 2: the transfer portal, kids we're going to bring in in recruiting.

1102
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: Think about that forty percent of a roster. Now, in

1103
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: some of your cases, that may mean your team that's

1104
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: struggling to make a bowl right now, could win ten

1105
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: games next year, who knows. But with everyone that finishes

1106
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: on the plus side, someone's got to lose games. So

1107
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: someone's gonna fall off a cliff, multiple someones I think

1108
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 2: will fall off a cliff.

1109
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: A transfer portal is no joke.

1110
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna vict It will make victims of you

1111
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: all eventually, so no one is going to be immune

1112
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: to the shrapnel there. Next up, this is from five

1113
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: to six to one, Michael, he said, should I be

1114
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: worried about the way the season has gone for Mario Christobaul? Well,

1115
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: if you are banking on a good season for this

1116
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: Miami football team, yeah, in Boyton Beach down there in Florida,

1117
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: you need to be very worried.

1118
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: Michael. Now that was sarcastic, because if.

1119
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: You're asking me about the long term perspective of Miami

1120
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: Hurricane football, I've told you once, twice, five times.

1121
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you again.

1122
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 2: I've still got total confidence that Mario is gonna get

1123
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: it right down there, have very little doubt about that.

1124
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: And I it's gonna be a lot of hard work.

1125
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna take as long because of

1126
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: what I just spoke about earlier in the show as

1127
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: a lot of people do.

1128
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: You've got the.

1129
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 2: Ability now if you really want to to buy recruiting

1130
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 2: classes legally, you've also got the ability to buy through

1131
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: the portal.

1132
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: Legally.

1133
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 2: You can't speak about it like that, but we all understand.

1134
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: We can put two and two together. We know how

1135
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 2: things work. You don't have to apologize for it. You

1136
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: can talk about it openly. You can do these things now,

1137
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: and you can also weed out through very creative methodology,

1138
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: thirty or forty percent of your roster. We just talked

1139
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: about it. You can flip that big a chunk of

1140
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 2: your roster over the span of a few months. He's

1141
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: about to do that. It may not be limited to

1142
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 2: his player roster. It may be coaching that also gets flipped,

1143
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: not through the try as for a portal, at least officially.

1144
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: But I was listening to the Joe Rose Show with

1145
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: Zach Krantz and they had a really good interview with

1146
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 2: Mario the other day, and I think that if you

1147
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: don't listen to him a lot, but you just watch

1148
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: the games, you think, ooh, Miami's bad man. I bet

1149
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: Mario Cristaball is now and They're crawled up inside the

1150
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: nearest shell he can find.

1151
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: Not quite. This was Mario Christobal on that show earlier this.

1152
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 4: Week for anybody, But I appreciate you getting up with

1153
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 4: us this morning, and and and for your fan base

1154
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 4: to hear, you know, with all these questions and everything,

1155
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 4: and what's Mario thinking, and and so we appreciate you

1156
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 4: coming on.

1157
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: Mario is pissed off, That's what I'm thinking. I'm upset.

1158
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: You know.

1159
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 3: I've been fortunate enough to be around some good teams

1160
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: for a long time and played on some good teams

1161
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 3: and built some good teams, and now we've got to

1162
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 3: build this one. And early on it's tough ass letting

1163
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: and I hate every bit of a loss that comes

1164
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: with it. But I also get up more and thus

1165
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: than ever to go to work.

1166
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: And that's where we're at.

1167
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 3: And it's that simple, and it's truthful. Brother. There ain't

1168
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: no other fluff to it.

1169
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 4: Mario, Thanks man. We'd appreciate the time, Mario.

1170
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not gonna back down down there.

1171
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: There's also not an ounce or a second's worth of hesitation,

1172
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: though they don't doubt their process like he doesn't doubt

1173
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: their plan, and nothing about a result, even against Middle

1174
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: Tennessee State. Nothing about turning the ball over eight times

1175
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: in a game is gonna make him walk in his

1176
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: office and dust himself on Saturday or dust himself off

1177
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: Saturday night and say.

1178
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: No, maybe I don't know what I'm doing. You know what,

1179
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: maybe this thing's not gonna work out down here. It's

1180
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 1: just not the way guys like that are wired.

1181
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 2: Now, just because you're wired competitively does not automatically guarantee

1182
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: that you're ever gonna win anything. But he has and

1183
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 2: at the very least, he understands how to build a team.

1184
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: He understands how to build a roster. And I'm not

1185
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: just talking about players now. I want to make sure

1186
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: that what I'm saying is crystal clear. I don't think

1187
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: the coaching staff that he's gonna have three years from

1188
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,760
Speaker 2: now we will look very similar to the coaching staff

1189
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: he has.

1190
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: Now.

1191
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 2: That's all part of a rebuild. Some of the greatest

1192
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 2: to ever do it have had to go through this.

1193
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: So I go back to the question, and the question

1194
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: was should I be concerned, Yeah, if you want to,

1195
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 2: if you want to do big things this year, now

1196
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: it's out the window.

1197
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: He just kind of admitted that's out the window. You've

1198
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: seen the games. That's out the window. But that doesn't

1199
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: mean the future is out the window.

1200
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: And in fact, I don't think any differently about Miami's

1201
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: future than I did.

1202
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: Quite the opposite.

1203
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: What I think is happening down there is a lot

1204
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: of people administratively, and the coaching staff side, and the

1205
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: football operation side, and the player personnel side, and the

1206
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: quality control side and the recruiting side. They're going through

1207
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: this right now, and they're taking it. They're just taking

1208
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: it right there on the chest. And anybody who comes

1209
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: in that building who gets hired three or four years

1210
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 2: down the road and didn't have to go through this,

1211
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: they will see it.

1212
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: There'll be a different look in.

1213
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: The eyes of someone who went through twenty twenty two

1214
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: at Miami than someone who just on board once things

1215
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: are good, and those will be the alphas in the building,

1216
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: not just players, the coaches and the administration. Those will

1217
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 2: be the ones that when they talk, everyone else shuts

1218
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: up because there's an understanding around the building.

1219
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: I just got here. Things are good now. That dude

1220
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: was here when it sucked.

1221
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 2: That dude was here when folks were trucking Miami when

1222
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,439
Speaker 2: Middle Tennessee was coming in here, walking all over them

1223
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: and then laughing on the way out.

1224
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: It's not that way anymore, is it Now? This is

1225
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, twenty twenty four. Maybe this is not

1226
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: that way anymore. There are a lot of people who

1227
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: are going to be better off for experiencing this right now.

1228
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: But like he said, it's just tough right now. You know,

1229
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: if people have gone through worse, it could be worse.

1230
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 2: You know, you could be having to work a real

1231
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 2: job instead of being able to work in football for

1232
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: a living. They're watching us in Illinois City, Tennessee. They're

1233
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 2: watching us in San Marcos, Texas and Jacksonville, Florida. Do

1234
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: we have another question about my weekend coming up here?

1235
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: I think we do, Matt. I think you're coming at

1236
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: me with this, but I'm going to pretend like you

1237
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: ask this in a friendly manner. Matt. Here's what he said.

1238
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: Why are you going to UCF two lane over a

1239
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: match up like TCU versus Texas. Yes, I've got a

1240
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: flight in a little under twelve hours down to New Orleans,

1241
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: the first time we've been to Louisiana all year, and shockingly,

1242
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: it's not for an LSU game. That's an upset, by

1243
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: the way, But I've never been to a game at

1244
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: TWU Lane. But how in the world am I going

1245
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 2: to be G five Josh if I don't go check

1246
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: out a G five game for a long time, Matt.

1247
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: If you've watched the program for any length of time,

1248
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,439
Speaker 2: you know Number one, I've already been to Austin this year,

1249
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 2: and that's not an automatic. I'm never going to come back,

1250
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 2: but it is. We're trying to see as many places

1251
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: as possible. But if you've watched this show for a

1252
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: long time, or if you've even just watched it this year,

1253
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: you know there were some pretty harsh allegations Lob Darway,

1254
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: claims of Homerism, claims of dare I say bias to

1255
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: the SEC now?

1256
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: I laughed every time we spoke about it on the show.

1257
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: I had the.

1258
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: Same grin on my face then that I do now,

1259
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: because I told you these allegations won't last forever. I've

1260
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: seen the future. I know what our road trip map

1261
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: is going to end up looking like by November.

1262
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: Well, voila.

1263
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: When is the last time that anyone accused the every

1264
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: given Saturday tour of SEC homersm not lately, not since

1265
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: a trip to Eugene, Oregon, not since trips to Manhattan, Kansas.

1266
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: We're going to New Orleans this week for this game.

1267
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: We go where the action is. This weekend, the AAC

1268
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: Championship could be decided. Now Cincinnati's gonna have something to

1269
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 2: say about this, But this is going to be a

1270
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: really good game. And keep in mind you've got Central

1271
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: Florida coming in here. They're about to go to the

1272
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: Big twelve. Like Gus Malson. Whoever ends up writing the

1273
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: book about Gus Malson, Think about the story you're gonna tell.

1274
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: This guy is in twenty seventeen, halfway through the year,

1275
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: ready to be run out of town on a rail.

1276
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: Then he beats Georgia, the number one team in the country.

1277
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: Then two weeks later he beats Bama, the number one

1278
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: team in the country. Then Jimmy Sexton, his agent, and

1279
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 2: Gus Malson end up telling Auburn the week of the

1280
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: SEC Championship game, you're about to give us a new

1281
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: deal or he's going to Arkansas. Brilliant tactical move, perfect

1282
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: leverage play. Auburn could not see through it. To call

1283
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: the bluff if it was a bluff, and Gus Malson

1284
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: gets a monster extension with a monster buyout a couple

1285
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: of years later, because it's what Auburn does. He's out,

1286
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 2: he gets fired, and he gets fired and removed from

1287
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 2: what I thought at the time as the toughest job

1288
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: in America. Then Central Florida opens up and he gets

1289
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: to go live in Central Florida.

1290
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: First off.

1291
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: Secondly, he gets to coach at what has long thought

1292
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 2: to have been one of the biggest sleeping giant programs

1293
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: in the country in Central Florida.

1294
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: Also, he gets the full buyout from Auburn. And then no.

1295
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: Sooner has he walked in the door than someone says, Gus,

1296
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: welcome to Orlando. Oh, by the way, you're going to

1297
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 2: the Big twelve in a couple of years, so you'll

1298
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: still be a Power five coach anyway.

1299
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: Gus Maleson looks around and says, is this a dream?

1300
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: What has happened here?

1301
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 2: So Gus Maleson just keeps if you want to call

1302
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: it failure, you can call it failure. That dude has

1303
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: failed upwards better than anybody in the history of this sport.

1304
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 2: It is, quite honestly, if you've ever been around him.

1305
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: He's a good dude. You know how beautiful.

1306
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: It is to watch him just continue to look around

1307
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: and wake up one day better off than the day beforehand.

1308
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: And it took the folks at Arbourn a while to

1309
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: get used to him. Some of them never did. He's

1310
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: just he's different. But I'm different, You're different, everyone's different.

1311
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: Who cares. He's a good dude.

1312
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to seeing them down there, and

1313
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 2: it's going to be a good game. The line opened

1314
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: to pick him and it's gone. I think to Central Florida.

1315
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: Jesse minus two and a half.

1316
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: I want to say it was the last number I

1317
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: saw on that. He said, stand by, these are two

1318
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: good teams.

1319
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: And also, for those of you who are in the

1320
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: expansionist crowd, when you get your twelve team playoff, if

1321
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 2: you pretended it was this year, one of these teams

1322
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: could be headed to the playoff.

1323
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: If you're putting your six.

1324
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: Highest ranked conference champs in the playoff, one of these

1325
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: is going to end up being the favorite to win

1326
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: the conference title, maybe after this weekend.

1327
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: If it's too Lane, if it's Central Florida.

1328
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: The point is, you guys are asking for a world

1329
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: very near future where you could have that little two

1330
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: lane angry Wave there. It's one of my biggest goals

1331
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: of the weekend is to get one of those blue

1332
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: shirts with the angry Wave logo. You could be looking

1333
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: at a future very very soon where they're in the

1334
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: playoff two lane minus one and a half. Interesting, Jesse,

1335
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: how much money did you bet on that?

1336
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: My goodness? Speaking of which, we.

1337
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: Got a question about the JP pole here. I'm going

1338
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: to get you a best bet after this, and we

1339
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 2: got to get out of here because I got a

1340
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: bedtime tonight. Dylan asked me if I'm sick of explaining

1341
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: the JP pole on Twitter to casuals or do I

1342
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 2: just find it comical at this point from blufton, South

1343
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 2: Carolina believe that's where Doug Funny is from, and Skeeter won't,

1344
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: I'm not tired of it at all, not tired of

1345
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 2: it at all, because it is become the most entertaining

1346
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: portion of many of your weeks. I know a lot

1347
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 2: of you when I put that JP poll out because

1348
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: when I do it on the show, simultaneously I tweeted out,

1349
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 2: I put it on Instagram, and inevitably it's like a

1350
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: bug zapper for casuals. As soon as I click that

1351
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 2: thing on, you sit there and wait. It doesn't take

1352
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 2: more than a couple of minutes. Here come the first

1353
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: casuals flying on in, and they have no clue what

1354
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 2: the show's about. And they have no idea the difference

1355
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: between a power rating and a ranking, and they don't

1356
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 2: know anything about the fact that I base that on

1357
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: odds making. It doesn't matter what your record is. It's

1358
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: not merit based at all. And sure enough, here they come.

1359
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: How could you have Alabama above filling the blank? How

1360
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: could you have TCU.

1361
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: Below filling the blank? Here's the fun part for me.

1362
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes I start typing and by by the time I've

1363
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: got my response typed out, fourteen of you have already

1364
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: kind of veered in front of me, and you've raised

1365
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 2: your shields, and you've thrown your figurative arrows, and you've

1366
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: kind of taken care of it a casual casualty, if

1367
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 2: you will.

1368
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: In the comment section. It happens all the time. And

1369
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: then I just I.

1370
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: Hit backspace and I'm like Homer Simpson, I disappear back

1371
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: into the bush, never to be seen again. You guys

1372
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 2: have taken care of business for me on this is

1373
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: my point. I look and I see basically myself responding

1374
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: vicariously through you guys. So what's fun about it is

1375
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: I put it out and then it is like chum

1376
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: in the water and here come the casuals.

1377
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: But instead of saying.

1378
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: We're going to need a bigger boat, we got a

1379
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: big enough show, like we needed a big show. Well,

1380
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: now we got a big show and we got a

1381
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 2: big audience, and you guys take care of it for me. However,

1382
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: I was doing a radio hit with Lance Zerline out

1383
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: in Houston earlier this morning and we got into this

1384
01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 2: free flowing conversation about the difference between Vegas and kind

1385
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 2: of odds making and power ratings and the ranking system

1386
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 2: for the playoff, and he started down a road that

1387
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: I just grabbed the wheel from him on and I.

1388
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Said, hit the gas.

1389
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: The question was should we include Las Vegas in the

1390
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 2: college football playoff process?

1391
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: The rankings process.

1392
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: Now, I've had many of you ask me this, and

1393
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 2: sometimes the way it works is this, you come to

1394
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 2: me and you.

1395
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 1: Say, Josh, I got an idea.

1396
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 2: I think Vegas should be included in the rankings process.

1397
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: And my eyes light up and I say continue because

1398
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: I love where it's going.

1399
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: But then you say, shouldn't your record against the spread

1400
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: count for something? And then I say no, no, no, no, no, no, friend, Fred,

1401
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: You're going down the right road, but you just veered

1402
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: off in the ditch for no reason. It's like Michael

1403
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: trusting the GPS and Dwight's over there in the passenger's

1404
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: seat say this is a lake. It can't possibly mean

1405
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: that this is.

1406
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: A lake, but you drive into the lake anyway. No, nope,

1407
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 2: let's hit the brakes, bag it on up.

1408
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: Don't have to go in the lake. We can continue

1409
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: down the proper road. Vegas absolutely has a role, or

1410
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: should have a role in the college football playoff rankings process,

1411
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: but it has nothing to.

1412
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 2: Do with the spread they put on you and your

1413
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 2: record against the spread. I could be zero to twelve

1414
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: against the spread and be twelve and oh straight up no,

1415
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 2: that shouldn't factor.

1416
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: In at all.

1417
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: Strength the schedule is where it should be factored in,

1418
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: because right now I've got a group of folks out

1419
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: there who are telling me that TCU's resume is suffering

1420
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: because the once upon a time ranked teams that they beat,

1421
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: those wins aren't worth so much anymore, because some of

1422
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 2: those teams have incurred more losses.

1423
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there.

1424
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: Looking and I'm saying, there is nothing about those teams

1425
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 2: losing future games after I've played them that devalues the

1426
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 2: struggle I had that day. That takes away at all

1427
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,120
Speaker 2: from the resistance they put up that day. So it

1428
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they win every game from hero on

1429
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: out or lose every game from here on out.

1430
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: What I faced that day is what I faced that day.

1431
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 2: It's like right now, people trying to tell you, oh

1432
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: TCU man, their resume is not you go to anymore

1433
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,719
Speaker 2: till some of those teams have lost. They play around

1434
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 2: robin conference schedule in the Big Twelve. It's impossible for

1435
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: those teams not to lose. Every one of them plays

1436
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: each other. And so I'm listening to that, and I'm

1437
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, it can't be that these are the

1438
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: best minds we could find to put in this room.

1439
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 2: It can't be that way. So here's the role Vegas

1440
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 2: should play. Vegas should be able to come in. Odds

1441
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: makers pick five of them, I don't care, get a

1442
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: group of men a room.

1443
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: And say give us your power ratings. So that we

1444
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: can define strength of schedule because right now, if I

1445
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 1: played Texas in the regular season and Texas in the playoff,

1446
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: rankings is wherever they are. That's one thing.

1447
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: But if I look at Vegas numbers, they would have

1448
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: Texas top ten because power ratings wise, the difficulty you

1449
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: have when you play Texas is a top ten difficulty level,

1450
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: is a top ten caliber struggle according to odds makers.

1451
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: I'd a whole lot rather get that kind of credit

1452
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 2: for a team after they play against and beat Texas

1453
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 2: than play in Texas like TCU does this week, and

1454
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 2: if TCU beats them, some fool somewhere says it's just

1455
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: a four loss team. Never mind the fact you put

1456
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 2: one of the losses on them, and never mind the

1457
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: other fact that another one of the losses is against

1458
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 2: Bama and the loss against Texas text with the backup

1459
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: quarterback in overtime, Like, no one thinks this critically, and

1460
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: you don't have any other job.

1461
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: You're on the committee. That's your only job is to

1462
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: understand how to do this.

1463
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 2: So yes, Vegas belongs in that room, and their roles

1464
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: should be one thing and one thing only give us

1465
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 2: a proper strength of schedule based on power ratings, not

1466
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: based on wins and losses, not based on how many

1467
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 2: ranked wins you have, which shift every week, so it's

1468
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 2: not fluid at all. Yeah, I want Vegas in the

1469
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: room and I want them filling that role.

1470
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of Vegas, we've got a new best bet

1471
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: to hand out. Before I hand it out to you, remember,

1472
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 1: I'll be in New Orleans tomorrow night. And what do

1473
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: you do in New Orleans on a Friday night.

1474
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: I think you know you go to your hotel room

1475
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: early check in so that you can do Friday night lines. Absolutely,

1476
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 2: that's that's what all the party crowd does when they

1477
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: go to New Orleans Friday night lines Tomorrow night at

1478
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 2: a time to be disclosed. Make sure you're following me

1479
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 2: at late kick, Josh, make sure you tune into that

1480
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna have several more best bets tomorrow night.

1481
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 2: As for tonight the games, we've already handed out Penn

1482
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 2: State minus twelve, PIT minus four. We're going Texas minus

1483
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: four in the first half against TCU, we're taking votech

1484
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: plus ten, FSU minus six and a half. And tonight

1485
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: we are adding because it finally moved up where I

1486
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: want it. Nebraska plus thirty one. They play against Michigan.

1487
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 2: I think Michigan's gonna win. I just don't think they're

1488
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: winning my thirty one.

1489
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: So that is that. Good week of shows this week.

1490
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: And I have no clue how many of you I'm

1491
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 2: going to interact with Saturday, but I look forward to it,

1492
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: and we are sure to have a loaded show Sunday night.

1493
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: So before you leave, just two requests like the video

1494
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 1: on the way out so we can get over a

1495
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: thousand as me and the live show.

1496
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: And make sure you grab ten of your friends this

1497
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 2: weekend and have them subscribe to the channel and have

1498
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: them follow the Late Kid podcast.

1499
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: And that's it.

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01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,640
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for direct to Colin. Pro you

1501
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 2: sir Jesse, I'm Josh Bate. Take care, enjoy the games

1502
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: this weekend. Every given Saturday acounts. We'll be back your

1503
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 2: Sunday night. Until then, Double Us