1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: The Birds are sorrying Katie and Bernie back with you. 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinal Territory, where all of a sudden, the 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: tone of this podcast has become a lot more positive. 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: The Cardinals played their fourth doubleheader of the season, which 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: is crazy, but they did some nice work splitting double header, 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: losing two to one in Game one and fourteen seven 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: in Game two, with I think their most commanding and 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: most impressive win of the season. 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: I loved both games that doubleheader. I loved all. 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: Three of those games from a series standpoint. To go 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: into Citizens Bank Park and defeat a playoff caliber team 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: like the Phillies and play three really competitive, compelling baseball games. 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: I think we continue to learn more and more about 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: the Cardinals. 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: And my question for you, Bernie is when are you 16 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: buying into this ball club? 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm buying into them now because they're 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: winning games in a variety of ways. I know last 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: year's team had that thirty three and eight team run. 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 3: I get that, and so part of me always wants 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 3: to be it's like pragmatic. It's like, well wait a minute, 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: you know they they kind of petered out after that. 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: So but there's something about this team I don't know 24 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: whether it's the youth or the energy, or just maybe 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: the culture has been really refined in a way where 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: everybody's in this thing together. There's these clearly there's a 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of baseball brotherhood going on. These guys 28 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: love playing for each other, they love playing ball. They're intense, 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: they're competitive, but they also know how to have fun, 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: which I think helps them through the hard times. But 31 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: I just I just like the way they have responded 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: to so many challenges during this stretch. You know, they 33 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 3: had a bullpen on fire and Ali Marmel and you know, 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: Dusty Blake fixed it like in a hurry. I mean, 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: you just don't see that very often where you retool 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: the whole thing in like five minutes, you know. And 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: they haven't gotten much from Walker or Gorman and Herrera 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: miss thirty games, and yet you mentioned, you know, they've 39 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: they've had to play three double headers since April thirtieth, 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: and two of the doubleheaders were against really good teams. 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: And the Cardinals won five of the six games of 42 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: those three double headers. And they couldn't win on the road. 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: Now they're winning on the road. They couldn't win one 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: run games oh, okay, we can't do that. Well, now 45 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: we're doing it, you know. And it's like so every 46 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: challenge that is kind of put in front of them, 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: they've kind of knocked it down and they've gotten past it. 48 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: That's just a really good sign. But the old saying 49 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: it's a long season, But I this is a very 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: entertaining team, much more entertaining than last year because the 51 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,559 Speaker 3: offense is good among other things. 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with you, and I'm going to 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: read you this quote from Philly's manager Rob Thompson yesterday 54 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: who told the Athletics Matt Gelb has thoughts about the 55 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals now. 56 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: Looking at the series. 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: The Cardinals went four out of six games against Philadelphia 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: that Rob Thompson had to say, he said, they got 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: a good club. You see today they swung the bats 60 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: and they can match up against you too. They have 61 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: enough left handed bats to match up with your right 62 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: handed pitching and vice versa really good defense. I think 63 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: the shortstop is a really good player. He makes that 64 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: defense solid and they're pitching well right now. They can 65 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: beat you in a lot of different ways. They can run, 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: they can steal bases, they can play some small ball 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: when they need to. 68 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: They're a great ball club. Now raise your hand as 69 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: we record this on Thursday, May fifteenth, if you had 70 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: Saint Louis Cardinals and great ball club in the same sentence. 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: I did not. 72 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: But when I was watching, first of all, my first 73 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: time at Citizens Bank Park, and I was excited to 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: go because I'd never been there and I'd heard great 75 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: things about the environment. When I was watching those two games, 76 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: I missed the second one be writer travel had to 77 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: miss the night game, I felt like I was watching 78 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: a playoff like atmosphere, the intensity, the how every single 79 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: pitch I felt like I was on my seat for 80 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: and I realized just how much I missed watching baseball 81 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: games like this, and how much fun it is to 82 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: cover good winning baseball. I personally haven't experienced that in 83 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: about two years, and this series is when I really. 84 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: Started to turn the corner. 85 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: As in, Okay, instead of being skeptic, let's try to 86 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: look at this as what if this is who they are? 87 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: And I don't think we're going to fully be able 88 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: to buy in, or I think most people will push 89 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: back a little bit. So I'm saying, let's compromise, Let's 90 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: get them through the end. 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: Of the month. Let's get through the end of May 92 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: and reevaluate and see where the Cardinals are, because you'll 93 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: have two full months in the season. But right now 94 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 2: April to May completely different team results wise, but not 95 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: style of play wise. 96 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: And that encourages me because they've played a consistent brand 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: of baseball since opening day and now things have been 98 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: going their way the last couple of weeks, and you 99 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: can feel the momentum, you can feel the energy. 100 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: It just feels like the season could go in. 101 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: A way that maybe we weren't thinking and when when 102 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: spring training broke. 103 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: But it's been really fun to watch, no. 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Doubt about it. And there's so many other things. And 105 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 3: I'll try to be quick through this and not to 106 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: just you know, just talking talk and talk and talk, 107 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: you know, too long. But they you know, I was 108 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: looking at, you know, since the April twenty fifth, which 109 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: I think is sort of when the season restarted, because 110 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: they had they had they fixed the bullpen. That was 111 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: the first day. And they have the best record in 112 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 3: the National League since, and they have the best record 113 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: of the Major since April thirtieth, So April twenty fifth 114 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: is when it started. So you think about everything they 115 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: had to do. You know, I had to play the 116 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: three doubleheaders, right, they were still competing without her era, 117 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 3: they still weren't get anything from Gorman and Walker. They 118 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: had a tougher schedule too, you know, the Mets were 119 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: coming to town. They had had to go on the 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: road to play the Phillies. I mean the you know 121 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: there there was some good opponents, some winning teams, some 122 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: real challenges, and they got knocked down a few times. 123 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 3: They got knocked down yesterday. With that, to your point, 124 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: that really tough loss in the first game. It's a 125 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: great baseball game, You're right, but it was a really 126 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 3: tough loss. And then I'm sitting home and I'm watching 127 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: it and I'm like, you know, I'm really curious to 128 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: see because I want to trust these guys, and I'm like, 129 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: I want to see how they respond to this. It's 130 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: a really tough loss. But oh my gosh, now they're 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 3: down five to one at the end of the first 132 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: hitting and it's like, you know, I gotta admit, I 133 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 3: can't sit here and be a phony. I was thinking, well, 134 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 3: probably gonna get swept. 135 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: I was thinking, oh, if I had a list it, 136 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad I chose to keep my flight. 137 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like boom, you know, and they just 138 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 3: they outscored the Phillies thirteen to two the rest of 139 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 3: the game. I mean, they were just going crazy. It 140 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: was like a feeding frenzy. That was like a perfect response. 141 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I wanted to see. And 142 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, I was thinking about this too. This will 143 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 3: be my last thing on it. You know, they're winning. 144 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 3: They're winning every style of game. Like during this fourteen 145 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 3: and five stretch that I've obsessed over, they've had six 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: one run wins, right, They've also had six wins where 147 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: they won the game by five runs or more. So 148 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: they like, if you want to you know, you want 149 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: to play you know, you want to play the tight game. 150 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: You want to turn into a bullpen game, low scoring, 151 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: to come down to one player or two, Well, we 152 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 3: can do that. The Cardinals think we can do that. 153 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: We like that. It's like, well, Bernie and Katie, that's great. 154 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: But do they blow teams out? Yeah, they actually blow 155 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: teams out a lot, you know, because the offense is 156 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: so much better than it was last year. You know, 157 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: the Cardinals are now like seventh in the majors. Like 158 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: runs per game and they're in the top nine in 159 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: every other category. This is like a top nine offense 160 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: as we record this today. The starting pitching is gotten 161 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: really good, the bullpen's been remarkable, They're base running is 162 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: a little the defense is fantastic, and there are some 163 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: stars merging as well. So yeah, this has been a 164 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: really good time to kind of you know, I hate 165 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: to use the cliche, sorry, where it's kind of like, 166 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: all right, show us what you got. They've showed out 167 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: pretty well. 168 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: And that is a perfect segue to the theme of 169 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: this episode, which is the order mark check in. 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I can't believe that they 197 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: are a quarterway through the season. 198 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: I feel like spring training was both a week ago 199 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: and maybe four years ago. But it's crazy for me 200 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: to phrase it this way. I thought you were spot 201 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: on with your analysis, Bernie. I mean, the offense has 202 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: been consistently good, even with von Herrera gone for thirty games. 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: Jordan Walker struggling, Nolan Gorman struggling. You're seeing guys step 204 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: up like Brendan Donovan, Victor Scott, the second, Wilson Contreras, 205 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Mason win starting to swinging a little bit more. I 206 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: like what we're seeing out of the bullpen, and I 207 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: do think that we deserve to give some credit to 208 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: Dusty Blake and Ollie Marmel for how they addressed it. 209 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: I know there was some frustration over Ryan Fernandez is April, 210 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: but I did understand where they were coming from that 211 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: early in the season, when it became clear that this 212 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: was no longer beneficial for him, made that change. I 213 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: like what we're seeing out of Grisepo pumping ninety eight. 214 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: That's super fun. Steven Mattz has been great. The rotation, 215 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: it's been good. It's kept them in ballgames. I think 216 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: we can fairly wonder about the sustainability of this and 217 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: that beyond the athletic tomorrow. I wrote about that for 218 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: Friday morning, But for right now, they've done a very 219 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: nice job of pitching to their strengths, keeping the ball 220 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: in the ballpark, and utilizing what I think has been 221 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: the most underrated aspect of the team. But the biggest 222 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: reason why they've been so successful their defense. The Cardinals 223 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: defense is stellar across the board. And when you look 224 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: at the names, you think of Nolan Arnatto, Mason Win, 225 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: Victor Scott the Second and you're like, yeah, of course 226 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: it's good. But let me just put into perspective how 227 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: good the defense is. The Cardinals have registered an MLB 228 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: high twenty four out above average as a team. That's 229 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: six more than the next highest team, which is the 230 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: Astros at eighteen. They've also prevented the most runs nineteen 231 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: and they're in a four way tie with the Astros, Bhillies, 232 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: and Royals for the best team fielding percentage at nine 233 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: to ninety. Victor Scott the Second he's got six outs 234 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: above average, that's the third best in baseball. Mason went 235 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: right behind him with five, same with Lolnarnado. And I'm 236 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: going to give you one guess. If you're looking at 237 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: first baseman in baseball, where do you think Wilson Contrera's 238 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: ranks and outs above average? 239 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: Oh? I know that answer. He was, well, he was 240 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: either I'm trying to remember my notes in my head. 241 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: He was like, I think he was tied for third 242 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: and outs of above average fielding run value. I think 243 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: he was tied for third defensive run saved. I think 244 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: he was sixth. And I may throw this in too, 245 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: And this is not a shot at the great Paul Goldschmidt, 246 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: but a lot of Cardinals fans were convetching. It's like, 247 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, you know, Goldie's so good defensively and 248 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: Contrereus I don't know about this. Take a look at 249 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: the same numbers, yeah, take right. Take take a look 250 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: at the same numbers that we just talked about, and 251 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: see where Goldie ran. I mean, if Contreras has been 252 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 3: better than Goldie defensively this season, I was I've watched 253 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 3: some of these games recently where it's like, whoa, Like 254 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 3: he just keeps making play after play after play. And 255 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: how about the way he stretches out and like Diggs 256 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: Arrant throws out. It's like, it looks like the guy 257 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: can stretch. It looks like he's, you know, stretches like 258 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know an analogy, but it's it's, 259 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: you know, it's like a gymnast or something, and he's 260 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: this big guy. I mean, he's really good down there. 261 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 2: So he is really good down there. 262 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the pleasant things about 263 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: the season, you know. So, yeah, their whole, their whole 264 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 3: infield is really good. And Wilson Cardres has not a liability. 265 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 3: He's the opposite of that. So I I totally agree 266 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 3: Newt Bar's good, Victor Scott's good. Walker's so much improved. 267 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 3: They say, See, they provide so much cover for that 268 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: starting rotation, which doesn't have the high strikeout punch. Maybe 269 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 3: maybe Sonny Gray does, and you know, maybe Livy does, 270 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 3: but by and large it's groundball staff. They got to 271 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: rely on their defense, and this defense, it's like you 272 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: almost have to have this kind of defense for this 273 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: starting pitching to put up some of the numbers we've 274 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: seen them put up. 275 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's why I think this defense is so 276 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: critical to the Cardinals' success and why it's fair to 277 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 1: question the sustainability of the rotation. We've known for a 278 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: very long time. Swing and miss and chase. It is 279 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: what plays in this game. And the Cardinals rather outdated 280 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: approach of pitching a contact weak ground balls and hoping 281 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: a defense makes a play doesn't really work until this 282 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: season where it's worked, and I again don't. 283 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Know how sustainable it is. 284 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: But the defense alone has been so so stellar, and 285 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if we're talking about Contrarasts enough in 286 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: first base. I know over the last week or so, 287 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: several of his teammates have pointed out in their post 288 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: media or post game scrums that, hey, Wilson Contraras is 289 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: doing a heck of a job. Eric Fetti yesterday said, 290 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: we're probably not talking about Wilson Contraras enough at first base, 291 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: and I think you're right. There was a lot of 292 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: comparisons to Paul Goldschmid and if the Cardinals would you know, 293 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 1: if Coras would be able to make up for that, 294 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: if he could fill the shoes of Goldie, because those 295 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: were were some very big shoes and he's done an 296 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: incredible job. I'm encouraged to see what the defense looks 297 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: like and how they keep going because it will be 298 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: pivotal for this rotation going forward. 299 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: There are some things the Cardinals are doing. 300 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: There has been a big emphasis on getting more swing 301 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: and miss pitching to the favorable counts, right like attacking 302 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: the zone early going to one, two and then you're 303 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: purposely missing the zone to get some chase and swing 304 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: and miss, Like there's a concentrated effort there but that 305 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean the Cardinals are going to go away fully 306 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: from what they're doing well, which is putting the ball 307 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: in play and letting their league best defense do the work. 308 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: That's been the story of the season for me. But 309 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, when you focus on the offense and 310 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: the pitching, I always feel like, no matter what club 311 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: it is, defense is on the back burner. This Cardinals 312 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: defense we're not talking about enough in general, and I 313 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: think Contreras is an individual example of that, right And. 314 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: We saw the disaster that was twenty twenty three and 315 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: one of the reasons they let their defense laps. There 316 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: was a terrible defense, never cleaned it up, and Oli, 317 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 3: do his credit, did clean it up for twenty twenty four. 318 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 3: And they were good last year, but they're great this year. 319 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: So no, I'm with you one hundred percent on that 320 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: and the other thing. The other thing in this I 321 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: think fits into the quarter mark check in like in 322 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: other words, I'm not training. I'm not trying to change 323 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: the subject because I think this fit. No, I think 324 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: this fits. I was thinking about this today and I'm 325 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: not overreacting. You know, I've been around a long time. 326 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: I try not to overreact. I sort of have that perspective, 327 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: but this team has got so much more star power. 328 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: I think in the position player. You know, if you 329 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: think about it, you know, yeah, Goldie's gone okay, but 330 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: Wilson Contreras once he started hitting April twentieth or so, 331 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 3: I mean, this dude is a star. Mason Winn is 332 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: a star. Victor Scott is a rising star. I mean Donovan, 333 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: I don't know how much run he gets nationally, but 334 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 3: this guy does every thing well. And he's also the 335 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: kind of ballplayer that I think most longtime baseball fans 336 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: just love to watch this guy play. And you know, 337 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: Newt bar has got that pizazz. You know, he's got 338 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: that charisma. This team has got so much more charisma 339 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: than any point since twenty twenty two, when it was 340 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 3: just all kinds of charisma and a lot of it 341 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: because pool Holes and Molina their final year together, plus Goldie, 342 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 3: the MVP hour and out of third, I think from 343 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: a position player standpoint, this this team's got swag. They 344 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 3: think like stars, they play like stars. They love pressure, 345 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: they love big moments, they don't get down, they continue 346 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: to believe in themselves, they respond to challenges. I mean 347 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: there's just something about them that is very, very appealing. 348 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: Esthetically appealing, but also if you love good baseball, this 349 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: team's very appealing. So I want to That's why I 350 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: wanted to throw that in. Let's keep an eye on 351 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: this kind of rising star power of this team. They've 352 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: just got more sizzled than they've had in quite a while. 353 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: I think they're they're chrismas off the charts in terms 354 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: of what we've seen in twenty three and twenty four, 355 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: where they're playing to win games. They're not playing to 356 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: lose like they're not. They're other going to like trying 357 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: to win instead of trying not to lose. I think 358 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: is when I watched the Cardinals, and that's what I 359 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: see this year. And it's super fun because some of 360 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: these young players are supposed to fail, right, They're supposed 361 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: to go through the struggle and the trials and tribulations 362 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: of a baseball season. But what I've really enjoyed, my thing, 363 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: if I had to pick one thing that I've really 364 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: enjoyed the most about watching the Cardinals so far is 365 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: that they are very rarely out of a ball game. Yesterday, 366 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: for example, you're coming off a brutal to to one loss. 367 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: And to be honest, I didn't have a problem with 368 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: how they lost that game. Now, going on baseball games, 369 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: you lose them in that style, I think you're going 370 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: to be okay, that was a competitive one. Pitch really 371 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: is going to dictate whether you want to lose that game. 372 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: That's the kind of style of baseball you want to 373 00:17:58,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: be playing. But then when you go out there and 374 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: you're aces on the mound for the night cap, you're dragon, 375 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: you're tired, it's travel day, You've already been on the 376 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: road for a week. He gives up a five spot 377 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: in the first Most teams are like, okay, deflated balloon. 378 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: This sucks. We're gonna get our butts kicked and you know, 379 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 2: lose the series. 380 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: Right, And when I was woke up from my flight, 381 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: I saw it was nine to seven, and I said, why, 382 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: am I surprised? 383 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: Why? 384 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: Am I surprised to see that they erased that deficit 385 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: and came all the way back and are leading because 386 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: it's shown that tenacity and their ability to fight all 387 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: season long. In April, they weren't coming out on the 388 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: winning ends of it. 389 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: Right, we know this, We know how many close knit 390 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: ball games one run two run leads they were not 391 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: able to overcome, but they were always in it. In May, 392 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: they're finding out ways to not only be in it. 393 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: But win those games. And when you are a team that. 394 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: Can erase a five run deficit or four run deficit, 395 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: excuse me the first, and can go out there and say, okay, 396 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: so we got smacked around, but we have eight Inm's 397 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: to chip away. Is not the first time we've seen 398 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: the Cardinals do that. That to me is the sign 399 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: of a lineup that and more importantly, the sign of 400 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: a clubhouse that has trust each other and is convicted 401 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: that they're never really fully out of a game. 402 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: Right And especially that now that this bullpen is whole, 403 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: and this bullpen's really really good, that even emboldens the 404 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: offensive players on this team even more because they know, 405 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 3: wait a minute, you know, all due respect to what 406 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: was gone on, you know that stuff's not happening anymore. 407 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 3: We got a really good pen. So not that they 408 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: were going to give up on games, but now they 409 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: have an extra extra motivation to fight. And one other 410 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: thing I want to throw in because I mean, I'm 411 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: sort of like the unofficial chairman of the von Herrera 412 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: Fan Club, and I left him out of the rising 413 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 3: Star category. You know, you know me with numbers. I 414 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 3: was looking looking up something today. First of all, since 415 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 3: he's been back, it's like, what, oh, you missed thirty games. 416 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 3: You come back and it's like, oh, no problem, I'm 417 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 3: going to hit four hundred and just hit line drives 418 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: all over the place. Oh, I'll draw. I'll also draw walks, 419 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: you know, I'll just I mean, the guy's just sick, 420 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 3: all right. Since the start of last season, among major 421 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 3: league hitters that have three hundred plate appearances of more, 422 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: whether you want to use WRC plus waiter runs Greade plus, 423 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: or you want to use OPS plus, he's the second 424 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: best hitter in the major leagues. Wow, seriously, based on 425 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: the number. Just based on those two metrics, the only 426 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 3: guy that's been better over that time again minimum three 427 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 3: hundred plate appearances, has been Marcelo Zuna. Herrera is like, 428 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: it's scary to think how great a hitter this guy's 429 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 3: going to because he's pretty great now. And I hate 430 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: to say this, shame on me, but I was telling 431 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: a friend that just in terms of a like physical presence, 432 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 3: body type, kind of like an attitude, a good attitude, 433 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: just a persona. I hate myself for saying this, but 434 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 3: I haven't seen a young player of that size and persona. 435 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 3: He reminds me of a guy I saw for the 436 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 3: first time in two thousand and one. Now that guy, 437 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say his name. People have to figure 438 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 3: that out. Yeah, you know, but I'm not saying that 439 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 3: her era is gonna have that kind of career. I'm 440 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 3: not saying it, but just in terms of the persona, 441 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: the physical power, the confidence, you know, smart play, knows 442 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 3: how to take walks, not afraid to take walks. He's 443 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: not swinging and everything. He's just a smart, smart guy. 444 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: He reminds me of a young guy I saw twenty 445 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 3: five years ago. Basically, yeah, he does. I won't say 446 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 3: his name because that's too much. I don't want to 447 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 3: put that on him. Like when the old man here says, 448 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: you know, his kid reminds me of somebody that's and 449 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: I don't say that lightly. I don't say that lightly. Again, 450 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 3: not gonna. I'm not saying he's gonna have that kind 451 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: of career because nobody is. But anyways, go ahead, I'm sorry. 452 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: It's a big comparison. To make. 453 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: But I think when you're looking at when the Cardinals 454 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: are just how they've developed hitters in general, it's been 455 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 1: a long time since they've had a homegrown talent look 456 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: like von Herrera does right now, and that's what's encouraging. 457 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 2: Now. 458 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully he can stay healthy and they got to figure 459 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: out what this catching DH split is going to be. 460 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: They don't necessarily have the luxury of having another DH, 461 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: but for right now it's working. They're facing a ton 462 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: of lefties, So run him out there as DH as 463 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: much as you can. And when you have to make 464 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: a decision about your catching, just like playing time, we 465 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: go back to that. But right now he's he's transformed 466 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: the lineup with his bat. 467 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 3: Now he has also for a big man, he runs 468 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 3: very well and see see my thing real quick. I 469 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: don't want to see him catch, you know, because I 470 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: don't want to see him get beat up. What's the 471 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: point of that. You're really gonna need as bad, especially 472 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: Walker and Gorman, don't you know pick it up like 473 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: he's going to be a guy, an X factor who 474 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 3: can really fill in a lot of that offense. I 475 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: don't want to see him getting beat up behind the plate. 476 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: You know, he's just a natural born hitter. He's great 477 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: at it. Which is it to say that, Yeah, they're 478 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 3: crazy to not give up on him a catcher, But 479 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you know, given they have to me, 480 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: they have you optimize your offence by making him the DH. 481 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 3: You optimize your defense by having not not just pies 482 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 3: but also poso as catchers. So both areas are stronger 483 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: if you primarily use of her ADH. 484 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: And I think we might see that just depending on 485 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: how the trajuctory is over the next few weeks of 486 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: Nolan Gorman and Jordan Walker. Look, but that is a 487 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: conversation for another time. 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Varies by plant. 511 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: All right, so as we look ahead through the rest 512 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: of May, Cardinals are in Kansas City right now on 513 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: off day here across the interstate. 514 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 2: Three against the Royals. 515 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: They'll come back for a home stand three against Detroit, 516 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: three against the Diamondbacks, and then they'll finish the month 517 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: with four against the Orioles and three against the Rangers. 518 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 2: That is off the top of my head. Please clap 519 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: for me. 520 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 3: Good job. Okay, yeah, great job. 521 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: And I think that's a good mix of different kind 522 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: of teams at different kind of levels. And I think 523 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: over the next two weeks, if the what do you 524 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: have to see from the Cardinals to convince yourself that 525 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: this is real? Bernie, you are a little more optimistic 526 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: than I am, but go ahead. 527 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: Well no, I well, listen, I think it's unfair to 528 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 3: expect the bullpen to perform exactly the way they have 529 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 3: since April the twenty fifth, when the remodel kicked in. 530 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: Right, they didn't allow run forever. 531 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: Basically, Yeah, I mean, they're just sick. But I think, 532 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 3: but I think, I still think they can be a 533 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: high level bullpen. They have depth there. We've seen guys 534 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 3: come up from the minor leagues and do really well, 535 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 3: so I mean, I think they have a pretty good depth. 536 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 3: I'm kind of I'm with you. I'm with you. In 537 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 3: terms of the rotation. I like the rotation. I think 538 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 3: it's it's good, it's solid, but there's not a lot 539 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: of depth. And I know that Michael McGreevey is down 540 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:46,959 Speaker 3: at triple A. I get it. But Quinn, you know, 541 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 3: Quinn Matthews isn't ready, not that they were counting on 542 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 3: you know, Tank Cancer or Cooper Europe or Sam Robbers 543 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 3: say I say all their names wrong. You know those 544 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: guys are hurt. They're just complete non factor. Oh Matthews 545 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: might be a factor late in the season. There's just 546 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 3: not a lot. There's not a lot to lean on 547 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 3: if there's a problem. Although you know they could fool 548 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 3: around with some stuff. But again, I do worry about 549 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 3: the starting pitching depth. With all due respect to McGreevy, 550 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 3: he's just one guy. Suppose they have a couple of things. 551 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 3: They have a couple guys and there's somebody I don't 552 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 3: I really never want to see anybody get injured. But 553 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: suppose that happens, you know, then all of a sudden, 554 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 3: you're pretty vulnerable. Can Can as much as we all 555 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: love the libatory pitching, you know, what's he going to 556 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: look like in after the All Star break? You know 557 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: he hasn't had innings like this in a long time. 558 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 3: Polante's kind of been up and down. I just don't know. 559 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: Sonny Gray way too many home runs again, dude, I 560 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 3: mean it's like, you know, Michael is really good, but again, 561 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: can you count on him like to have a two 562 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: five sixths or whatever it is era over six starts 563 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 3: over and over again the way he's done, and maybe 564 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: it was a two eighty ninety or a you know 565 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 3: that you're sort of you're sort of getting house money 566 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 3: stuff from him right now. But again, I just don't know. 567 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: I just don't know if that'll hold up. Eric Fetti's 568 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: been up and down. If he pitches the way he 569 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: did on this road trip, so far outstanding, but I'm 570 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 3: not sure you know how much you can take that 571 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: to the bank. So yeah, that's the one thing, and 572 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought it up, and I really look 573 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 3: forward to reading your story, all your stories at the 574 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: athletic about the rotation still being a little bit of like, 575 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 3: I don't know, so I agree with that as much 576 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 3: as I like the way they play. 577 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they deserve a lot of credit for 578 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: being able to pitch to their strengths and being able 579 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: to post and keep this team in ball games, because 580 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: I think coming into the season, the rotation was projected 581 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: to be probably the team's biggest weakness and it's actually 582 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: been an underrated strength. And I think it's fair again 583 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: the question can they keep it up. You want to 584 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: see better numbers from Sunny Gray. 585 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: Overall, I'm big. 586 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: On Matthew Libertorre of the inning thing as a concern, 587 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: it's been a very long time since he performed as 588 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: a starting pick for an entire season. But honestly, if 589 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: there's one picture that I could choose to where I 590 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: think think they'd be okay, I think. 591 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 2: It would be Libby. 592 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: I just think he's got something really special going on 593 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: this season, and I enjoy every Libby start day. 594 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 2: Polante is progressing, It's getting there, you know, a little bit. 595 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: You'd like to see a little bit more swing and 596 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: miss from him, but he's never been that type of picture. 597 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: So to come out here and expect him to be 598 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: that and completely change his arsenal, that's not going to 599 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: happen overnight, and. 600 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: The Cardinals aren't expecting that too. Might's done a nice job. 601 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: You wonder if that's sustainable and Fetti, you know, just 602 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: cut down the walks and he's been serviceable. So if 603 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: you have a rotation of mostly serviceable guys most teams 604 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: in baseball around you know what the Cardinals are trying 605 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: to do, which was play consistent balld If he's staying 606 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: in their division. 607 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: They don't have that, of course the powerhouses do. 608 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: But even when they do, look at the Dodgers, who 609 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: had like every single picture no man and are still 610 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: scrambling for depth. 611 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: It just goes to show. 612 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Like how intentional Ollie Marvel and Dusty Blake were with 613 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: this six man hybrid schedule, six six game schedule. Intentional 614 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: they were in April was for a reason because it's 615 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: led to some really good success from the starting pitching. 616 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: If they can keep that up through the month of May, 617 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: you might be able to label me a Cardinals believer. 618 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: But we will see. 619 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to tie up a loose end. 620 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: You know, if they would have some injury issues, Matts 621 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 3: could Matts could also you know, obviously pivot to the rotation, 622 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: so you would have Matts mcgrievy. So it's probably not 623 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 3: as bad as I then. 624 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: Having back the bullpen because what Matt's is valuable and 625 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: invaluable as well. 626 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 3: I know that that would that would eat up some 627 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: of your depth there. But I'm really encouraged by, you know, 628 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: a lot of what we've seen and I did. I 629 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 3: do think that Dusty Blake fixed Romero pretty good with 630 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: finding a tweaking his flaw and his delivery. You know, 631 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: he's throwing harder, he looks better. So yeah, I think 632 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: their run prevention because of this defense. And I think 633 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: all their pitchers are pretty smart too, they're starting pitchers, 634 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 3: So I think that defense is kind of what we 635 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 3: talked about already. I think they have their back and 636 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: that's a reassuring thing. I yeah, this could get this 637 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 3: with this voitation, unless it's one of Sonny Gray's, you know, 638 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: nine to ten strikeout games or Libby's rowing them down. 639 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 3: I can't. I mean, I cringe to think of what 640 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 3: a bad defense with this pitching staff the eras would be. 641 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 3: With a really bad defense like twenty twenty three, it 642 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 3: would be pretty ugly. 643 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: Well, thankfully we haven't had to see that yet. Before 644 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: we go, I would like to admit that I severely 645 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: overestimated my cheesteak eating ability. I had just two and 646 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: a half. 647 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: But the. 648 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: Reputation of the Visiting Clubhouse at Citizens Bank Park having 649 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: the best cheese steaks in Philadelphia, I can attest to 650 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: that that was. Here's how good it was. I posted 651 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 2: just a photo of Chip. 652 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Mark Sweeney and I holding our cheese steaks on my 653 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Instagram story and why did that picture get more likes 654 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: than my last selfie? So if the goodness is we 655 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: need to talk about that, let's be better Instagram followers. 656 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: If the goodness transcends the screen, that's how you know 657 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: it's a good cheese steak. But shout out to Chris 658 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: Roycroft who eight eight and a half cheese steaks and 659 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: they're like a foot long eight and half cheese steaks 660 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: in two days because they were not at the ballpark 661 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, and we probably. 662 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 3: He probably went down there anyway. Yeah, go to one up. 663 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: He won a thousand dollars. There was a running vet 664 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 2: in the clubhouse. 665 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: Whoever ate the most cheese steaks during the series won 666 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: a grand and Chris Roycroft the winner, and from what 667 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: I heard, no one was even close, So congrats he. 668 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: I wonder I wonder if he lost any of that 669 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 3: in the Red Beard there. I have no idea, but 670 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: I like cheese cheese steak droppings. Yeah, I don't know. 671 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: First game, so that must have helped, right because at 672 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: the second game, we don't have anything like what you're 673 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: not pitching, so you could just go out and hammer 674 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: cheese steaks. 675 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: What a life. I want to be a reliever so bad, 676 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 2: you know. 677 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: If the one one thing before we go, because I 678 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: know you're in a tight fit, you know, I do 679 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: want to say this next time, you know, maybe we 680 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 3: can leave some room, especially if the Cardinals are winning. 681 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: But it's not like I'm going to turn on Ali 682 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: Marble if they have a bad series too. I don't 683 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: think he's getting enough. And I've been critical of Oli, 684 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. I don't have to state I 685 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: don't think he's getting enough credit for the job he's 686 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: done so far. I think he and the whole coaching 687 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 3: staff too. But you can't talk about Ali and act 688 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 3: like the coaching staff. They're propping him up. Ali. Those 689 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 3: guys wanted to work for Ali. Ali went out and 690 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: recruited those guys, and he gave him autonomy, He gave 691 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 3: him power, He welcomes dissenting opinions. They work great together. 692 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: I don't think they're enough enough. Praise is gone his way, 693 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: and if they continue to win, my question, the Cardinals 694 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: fans would be the one the ones that still like 695 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: just don't like him or think he's bad. It's like, well, 696 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 3: what you know, what what is it? Going to take 697 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: for you to actually say, yeah, he's done a good 698 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 3: job or is this something personal You'll never forgive him. 699 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: Answer that, Bernie. You know, if you have nobody cares 700 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: about the manager. If you're losing balls, everyone hates the manager. 701 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: That's just what you said up for it when you're amazing, 702 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: fair or not. But it's a great topic for next episode. Uh, 703 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: because I actually do tend to agree with you, But 704 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: if I say that too loudly, I'm just kidding. 705 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think he deserves. 706 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: Some credit here too, and we'll see how the series 707 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: goes against the Royals. Worlds are playing some good baseball. 708 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: Cardinals are playing some good baseball as well. So another 709 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: good weekend of good ball in the I seventy series. 710 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: We'll be back with you to preview it or to 711 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: summarize it after the weekend. Stephen mattch jumping on the 712 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: show in the near future, so that's super exciting. He'll 713 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: be our next player interview, and we have some fun 714 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: things in the works as well. But I got to 715 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: run because I am rapidly running out of time to 716 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: hit my deadline story right for Bernie, I'm Katie. Thanks 717 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: for mutching cardinal territory. We will see you next week.