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Speaker 1: It is Draft week in the NFL, Big week on

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Speaker 1: the NFL schedule. Thank you for joining me in the

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Speaker 1: twenty Minue the Huddle Podcast. I got a great show

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Speaker 1: in store for you, guys. Dad got Daniel Jeremiah of

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Speaker 1: the NFL Network. He's gonna break down everything NFL draft.

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Speaker 1: Kirby Joseph, the talented rookie last year for the Lions.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna stop by. He's gonna talk about his draft experience.

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Speaker 1: We might get into a few Illinois guys in this

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Speaker 1: And NBC's Connor Rogers is going to join me to

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Speaker 1: Day two and Day three guys. Rogers does a good

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle Podcast presented

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Speaker 1: by Microsoft, and I am really excited to welcome in

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah of the NFL Network, one of the best

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Speaker 4: DJ, thank you so much for joining me. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be with you again. How's it going.

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Speaker 4: It's good, It's good.

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Speaker 1: This is a fun time, right, I mean, we're what

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Speaker 5: It's finally here.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the combine sneaks up on me every year,

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Speaker 5: It's an annual tradition.

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Speaker 1: It's an annual tradition, and you're gonna be a big

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Speaker 4: And let's let's start with Detroit at number six.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at this draft and obviously you

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Speaker 2: Will provide for an interesting decision for Detroit to make

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Speaker 5: It was nothing like that.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite prospects in this draft is Bijon Robinson,

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Speaker 4: Out of Texas.

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Speaker 1: You just watched the film and the one hundred and

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Speaker 4: We talked about the combine.

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Speaker 2: Two parter, right, So what do I think of him?

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Speaker 2: I think he's literally one of the best players. He's

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Speaker 5: You assign a coach to him, you know.

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Speaker 2: But he has got huge variants of not only where

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Speaker 5: It's anybody's guests.

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Speaker 4: Well, DJ, great stuff. Really appreciate your perspective.

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Speaker 1: You are one of the best in the business, and

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Speaker 4: Connor, welcome, buddy. How you doing.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing great, Tim, Thanks so much for having me again.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a fun week, right, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: how real do you think the talk is about Houston

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Speaker 6: or Demiko Ryans would rather get that in his first draft.

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Speaker 6: But then you have everybody else that's saying, at some point,

443
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Speaker 6: we can't kick this quarterback can down the road. And

444
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Speaker 6: that's why it leads me to believe as we sit here,

445
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Speaker 6: they're still not even fully decided.

446
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Speaker 1: I think you make a good point about Demiko Ryans too,

447
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 1: in that defensive minded head coach and what he needs

448
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 1: to be successful. Obviously got to that point where he

449
00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 1: accepted that job in Houston because of what he did defensively.

450
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: And if you can get a cornerstone piece that you

451
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Speaker 1: have on your board ahead grade wise of a quarterback,

452
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Speaker 1: that's just how you do good business in the draft, right.

453
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,680
Speaker 1: You don't reach for a position, You trust your board

454
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Speaker 1: and take the best players available. So I think you

455
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Speaker 1: make a great point there, and Connor, I know you're

456
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Speaker 1: going to be doing your mock draft, your final one

457
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Speaker 1: kind of leading in when you start to piece that together,

458
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Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks do you see going in the top five,

459
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Speaker 1: because that will obviously affect what Detroit does at number six.

460
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Speaker 6: Ultimately, I feel like the number is three and you

461
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Speaker 6: go through a lot of different scenarios to get there.

462
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Speaker 6: You know one is going first overall, you know Houston

463
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Speaker 6: is still at least an option on the table, and

464
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Speaker 6: then it feels like why you go at three is well,

465
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Speaker 6: if Houston doesn't take one, doesn't that make Arizona's pick

466
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Speaker 6: a little bit more valuable because they'd love to trade it.

467
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Speaker 6: Everybody knows it's the worst kept secret. They don't even

468
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Speaker 6: care of it. They don't need it to be a secret.

469
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Speaker 6: Arizona wants to trade that pick. And if we don't

470
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Speaker 6: have the draft start off with two quarterbacks, well, maybe

471
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Speaker 6: a team values a CJ. Stroud or that kind of

472
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Speaker 6: player to go up to number three to get him,

473
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Speaker 6: and then Indy at four, who could be forced to

474
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Speaker 6: swap in that situation. But say Indy stays at four,

475
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Speaker 6: well they have to take a quarterback. And everybody knows

476
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Speaker 6: that Indy can't mess around anymore. They're going to be

477
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Speaker 6: drafting a quarterback, and you have a wild card in Seattle.

478
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Speaker 6: Does Seattle like one of these guys. They've had visits

479
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Speaker 6: with most of them. They structured the Geno Smith deal

480
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Speaker 6: in capacity that you can get out of it after

481
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Speaker 6: one year so they could have their next guy up

482
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Speaker 6: as much as Gino was great last year. So I

483
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Speaker 6: kind of land on three, and then you wonder who's

484
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Speaker 6: going to be the wild card to fall out of

485
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Speaker 6: the top five and how does that ultimately affect the

486
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Speaker 6: rest of the draft.

487
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Speaker 1: So you've got Detroit sitting at six, and that's kind

488
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Speaker 1: of an interesting spot with like you talk about three

489
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks sitting there, Well, somebody maybe fall in love with

490
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Speaker 1: that fourth guy.

491
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Speaker 4: Will will Detroit be a trade back option just at six?

492
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Speaker 4: It really is an interesting spot.

493
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Speaker 1: Well, how do you see this shaking out with Detroit

494
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Speaker 1: six if they stay there?

495
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Speaker 6: Connor, Yeah, I haven't really moved off this one too much.

496
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Speaker 6: It just seems like the perfect landing spot for Devin Witherspoon.

497
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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, you look at Detroit. They said they

498
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Speaker 6: move on from Jeff Acuda. They did a really good

499
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Speaker 6: job in free agency getting some answers at corner. But

500
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Speaker 6: you look at the deal of at least the Moseley structure.

501
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 6: I mean, they still need a dude that is a

502
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Speaker 6: number one corner I think for a long.

503
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Speaker 7: Time, and that's Witherspoon.

504
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Speaker 6: It kind of shocks me that we don't talk about

505
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Speaker 6: Witherspoon or at least engage in the conversation that he

506
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 6: could be the best defensive player in this draft. I

507
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 6: know how good Jalen Carter is, I know how good

508
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 6: Will Anderson and Tyree Wilson are as well, But when

509
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Speaker 6: you turn on Witherspoon's twenty twenty two tape, it stacks

510
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Speaker 6: up against any prospect and I think a lot of teams,

511
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Speaker 6: I know a lot of teams feel that way in

512
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Speaker 6: the top eight of this draft. So Detroit might be

513
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Speaker 6: sitting there and going, well, if we pass on him,

514
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Speaker 6: we know he's probably going at seven or eight. And

515
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Speaker 6: then yes, we do pick again in the first round,

516
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Speaker 6: and there are really good corners. But if Tyre Wilson

517
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Speaker 6: and Will Anderson are gone, and I think they will be,

518
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Speaker 6: Witherspoon feels like that Detroit kind of guy could be

519
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 6: your long term number one corner. He brings so much

520
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 6: bark and snarl to his secondary that really meshes what

521
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Speaker 6: Campbell is looking for, I think.

522
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Speaker 7: And that's a unit that maybe needs it.

523
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Speaker 6: Maybe they need a little bit more bite and bark,

524
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Speaker 6: and Witherspoon would bring that. So the conversation is in, oh, well,

525
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Speaker 6: they're just doing that because they need a corner. No,

526
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Speaker 6: they're also doing that or should do that because Witherspoon

527
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Speaker 6: is one of the best overall players in this draft.

528
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Speaker 1: It's funny, Connor, You're gonna love staying too. And for

529
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Speaker 1: one of my guests on the podcast here joining us,

530
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: got Daniel Jeremiah, but I also got Kirby Joseph, who

531
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: obviously was a third round pick out of Illinois. We

532
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: went through and we talked about some of these guys.

533
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Speaker 1: He is in love with Witherspoon and he said the

534
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: same thing as you, that he's the best corner in

535
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Speaker 1: this draft by far, a guy that played with him

536
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: knows him really well. He also said he might be

537
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: the best defensive player too, So he's a fan as well.

538
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Speaker 1: So that's an interesting one. I know, Lions fans, will

539
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: you say, corner at six, is that the value spot

540
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: they'll be? You know, obviously with what happened a few

541
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: years ago with Jeff Akuda three pick. There's gonna be

542
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: some hesitation there, but I agree with you. When you

543
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: watch his film, you see a kid who's five to eleven,

544
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty one pounds, but if you watch him,

545
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: you think he's six foot two, two hundred and twenty pounds.

546
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's how he plays.

547
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Speaker 1: And ball production is something that Brad Holmes and Dan

548
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: Campbell talked about this offseason. Seventeen passes defended, four interceptions, right,

549
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Speaker 1: So he plays tough, he's physical, and he's got ball

550
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Speaker 1: protect ball production. That's a Dan Campbell Brad Holmes type

551
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Speaker 1: guy that you talked about. So I can certainly see

552
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Speaker 1: that as a fit. All right, kind of let me

553
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Speaker 1: ask you this. Let's say Dan Campbell Brad Holmes are

554
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Speaker 1: in love with a guy and they know if they

555
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: if they're gonna get him, they've got to move up.

556
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Speaker 1: Let's say the Lions maybe have their eye on a

557
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Speaker 1: Will Anderson, a Tyree Wilson, one of those guys. If

558
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Speaker 1: you're gonna move up from three, who's a guy in

559
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: this draft you would move up for? Is it one

560
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: of those two guys? Is Will Anderson a guy in

561
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Speaker 1: your opinion? Watching him that if you're the Lions and

562
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Speaker 1: you really like him, you'd make that move to go

563
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Speaker 1: up to three to really maybe walk away with the

564
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Speaker 1: two best pass rushers and consecutive drafts.

565
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it would. That's who it would be for in

566
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Speaker 7: my eyes.

567
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 6: Listen, you could fall in love with the traits and

568
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 6: the length that Tyree Wilson has, or you know, all

569
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 6: of the upside if he really dials in on Jalen Carter.

570
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, you look at

571
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 6: Will Anderson and you just don't have to check as

572
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 6: many boxes that you have to do with other prospects.

573
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Speaker 6: And that's how I landed with Will Anderson as my

574
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Speaker 6: top player in this draft.

575
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Speaker 7: I just look at the power.

576
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 6: I look at the hand usage, the motor, the ability

577
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Speaker 6: to make explosive plays against the run. A productive pass

578
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 6: rusher for two years, really three years in the SEC.

579
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Speaker 7: I mean, it checks all the boxes.

580
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Speaker 6: And if you have an edge pass rush that is

581
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Speaker 6: Aiden Hutchinson and Will Anderson screaming off the edge. And

582
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Speaker 6: then you want to get into passing down situations on

583
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Speaker 6: third and lungs and you bring on James Houston and

584
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Speaker 6: you start to mess around with different alignments with Hutchinson

585
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Speaker 6: and Will Anderson.

586
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Speaker 7: I don't know how you block that.

587
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Speaker 6: That is a competitive advantage that completely alters your course

588
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Speaker 6: of winning the division, especially when you look at the

589
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 6: young quarterbacks that are going to be playing in this

590
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 6: division against the Lions. Packers move into the Jordan Love era.

591
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 6: Justin Fields is trying to figure it out with the Bears.

592
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 6: The Vikings only have we think one more year of

593
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 6: Kirk Cousins. That is going to be a very young

594
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 6: division in terms of passers. How do you impact passers?

595
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 6: Is getting after them off the edge with the pass rush.

596
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 6: The Lions would be able to do that unlike anybody

597
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 6: else in that division. It would be awesome to watch.

598
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Speaker 6: So that's a package where you look at it and go, man,

599
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Speaker 6: I mean, you got two second round picks. What does

600
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 6: it cost to go from six to three? That's the

601
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 6: golden question. If Arizona just doesn't want to make the pick,

602
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 6: and they're saying, we don't care who wants to come up,

603
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 6: we an'll have to go back to six. We'll still

604
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 6: get a really good player. I mean, what if Detroit

605
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Speaker 6: gives up fifty five to go up from six to

606
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Speaker 6: three and you're still picking at eighteen and forty eight.

607
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 6: I mean, that's an incredible situation to lamb Will Anderson.

608
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Speaker 7: So I would applaud that creativity.

609
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Speaker 6: If the Lions could pull something off like that for

610
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Speaker 6: the top player in the draft.

611
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Speaker 1: Well, and then what you could do also, Connor is

612
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Speaker 1: with what they did in free agency with adding you know,

613
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Speaker 1: Emmanuel Mosey, with CJ. Gardner, Johnson and Ham Sutton. Your

614
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: second year got so much better now you you know

615
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: that that pass defense is a marriage of rushing cover

616
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: right well, you handled the cover part in free agency

617
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: pretty darn well with some veteran guys that you know

618
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: can do that. Now you add a guy like a

619
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Speaker 1: will Anderson along with Hutchinson like you talked about, and

620
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 1: be young and athletic and be able to throw you know,

621
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: rushers at ad teams.

622
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Speaker 4: I love it.

623
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I know Lions fans would love it too. I think

624
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: if you're Brad Holmes and you come out of two

625
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: straight drafts with the best pass rusher, you can't say

626
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: a lot of bad things about that. You mentioned it

627
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: a little bit with the Day two picks. Detroit has

628
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: two second round picks and a third round pick. Who

629
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: are maybe some of those guys Day two, guys that

630
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe fringe first round guys, Day two

631
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: guys that in your evaluation when you were watching films

632
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: starting to study this draft, guys maybe that are in

633
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: that mold that that kind of jump out to you. Yeah.

634
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Speaker 6: I think when you look at it for the Lions,

635
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: I like the idea of tight end for them on

636
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 6: Day two rather than with that second first round pick,

637
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 6: because I think that's where the value really lies in

638
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,719
Speaker 6: this draft, where you can still still go get an

639
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 6: effective pass catching tight end that they would value, where

640
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 6: the guys that are lower on their depth chart can

641
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 6: handle a lot of the blocking duties.

642
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 7: Right. We think Michael Mayer and.

643
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 6: Darnel Washington and Dalton Kincaid will go in front of

644
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 6: their second round picks. But when you look at Tucker Kraft,

645
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 6: Sam Laporta, even a Luke Muskray kind of player, those

646
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 6: are guys that can be in play you get a

647
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 6: true seam runner. You look at depth at wide receiver, right,

648
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 6: if you want that third wide receiver. I look at

649
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 6: the pick that's in the top fifty and think, man,

650
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 6: can I walk away with a sliding Jalen Hyatt or

651
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 6: Tyler Scott kind of a player that can really stretch

652
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 6: the field along with Jamison Williams, and we're going to

653
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 6: be a team that you have to defend us to

654
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 6: eat because we have so much speed. But you know,

655
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 6: we can run the heck out of the football with

656
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 6: DeAndre Swift and David Montgomery downhill or east and west.

657
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 6: So the Lions that the power is kind of theirs

658
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 6: in terms of how they capitalize on the pass catcher

659
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Speaker 6: class on Day two, and I really really think they will.

660
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 6: And then if they want to look at the defensive line,

661
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 6: it maybe more of a two gapping interior presence to

662
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 6: kind of free up space for everybody around them. You

663
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Speaker 6: have somebody like Keanu Benton from Wisconsin that's played nose

664
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Speaker 6: tackle in three tech. He's also not a nothing as

665
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 6: a pass rusher. Just because he's a big, ugly doesn't

666
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Speaker 6: mean he can't get after it as a pass rusher.

667
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 7: So you love that about him, and then.

668
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: You look him at the Senior Bowl too. It was

669
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: terrific at the Seaming Bowl. I thought he really showed out.

670
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 7: He was unblockable.

671
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 6: And then also maybe still in the middle of the field,

672
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 6: you want a different kind of linebacker if it's not

673
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 6: a Jack Campbell, more of a big, heavier hitting presence,

674
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 6: you can look to get a little bit more athletic

675
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 6: with a Trenton Simpson or Drew Sanders or you know,

676
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 6: Dion Henley kind of a player that has sidelined a

677
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 6: sideline range. So these top sixty picks are really valuable

678
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 6: in this draft because you look at it and you

679
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 6: feel like there's a certain value, maybe till about pick

680
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Speaker 6: ten in the draft, and then it kind of levels

681
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Speaker 6: off for a while where some of the players that

682
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 6: are going in the middle of the second round are

683
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 6: just as good as the back end of Round one

684
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 6: players on a grading scale.

685
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Speaker 1: I'm curious what your philosophy is, or what your philosophy

686
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: would be at eighteen, because I've always said I've been

687
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: very consistent in the pre draft process. At six or

688
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: if I stay at six, to me, it's the best

689
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: defensive player available with my first pick. I think that's

690
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: just a way that you improve this football team. Take

691
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: that step forward, the quickest way is to help that

692
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Speaker 1: side of the ball. And then at eighteen, I trust

693
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Speaker 1: my board and it's best player available, whether that's a

694
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: running back, a tight end, a wide receiver and offensive lineman,

695
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: a linebacker, whoever that is. I trust my board after

696
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: I take the best defensive player available. I'm just curious,

697
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: what would your philosophy be at eighteen or right around

698
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Speaker 1: that area if you're the Detroit Lions.

699
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Speaker 6: Well, that's why you gotta love how active they were

700
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 6: in free agency, that they've opened the door to your

701
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 6: philosophy that they can't afford to take the best player

702
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 6: available where they're not stuck going for need, where they

703
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 6: have a quarterback under center that can operate in this offense,

704
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 6: where they don't necessarily have to search for that next

705
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 6: guy right now if they don't want to. So I

706
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 6: agree with you about the defensive player in the top ten.

707
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 7: That's the move.

708
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Speaker 6: That's what the Lions are going to do, and justifiably

709
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 6: so you can get one of the blue chip defensive townolence.

710
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 6: Then at eighteen the door does become a little bit open.

711
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 6: And what does Ben Johnson value right? Does he want

712
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 6: the field stretching tight end. Does Dalton Kincaid come into

713
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 6: mine at eighteen and they say, we're gonna spread everybody out,

714
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 6: And now we got a big pass catcher, we got

715
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 6: a speedy guy in Jamison Williams. We got a middle

716
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 6: of the field monster and a monroth Sam Brown, or

717
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 6: do they want to just sit there and go? And

718
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 6: this one is a little bit more tricky. Bjon Robinson's

719
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Speaker 6: at the board at eighteen. He's a top five player

720
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Speaker 6: in the draft. We know DeAndre Swift is not far

721
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 6: away from free agency. We got our North and South

722
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: power guy in David Montgomery. But I can't emphasize this

723
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 6: enough when we have the discourse about B John Robinson.

724
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 6: He is not just a running back. You can motion

725
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 6: him out to the slot, You could use him in

726
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 6: the screen game. You could motion him out wide if

727
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 6: you need to. This guy can run a legitimate post

728
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 6: route down the field. So if the Lions want to

729
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 6: sit there with the mad scientist that is Ben Johnson

730
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 6: and go speed weapons, create miss tackles, then take Bjon

731
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Speaker 6: Robinson at eighteen and say, try to beat us, try

732
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Speaker 6: to outscore us.

733
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Speaker 7: We don't think you can.

734
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Speaker 6: So it's fun to be a lines fan when you're

735
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 6: picking twice in the top twenty and you don't have

736
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 6: eight million needs.

737
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you that.

738
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure Ben Johnson pops his head into that

739
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: draft room and says, hey, guys, remember me too.

740
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Speaker 5: Don't forget about me.

741
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Speaker 1: I exist, all right, your three hundred player, your top

742
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: three hundred players comes out again, like I mentioned next week.

743
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 4: I think you do a great job with that.

744
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: And when you start to look at maybe back in

745
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, one fifty two hundred those the fourth round,

746
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: fifth round, sixth round, Day three graded guys. I'm just

747
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: curious name a few guys who maybe jumped out to

748
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: you and your evaluation. Obviously, when you're talking about Day

749
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: three guys, there's some flaws there, right, just whether it's physical,

750
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: game tape didn't match what they did at the combine,

751
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: or some of those things you just have to do

752
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: some extra work on. But when you watch their film,

753
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: guys that maybe jumped out to you a little bit

754
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: that might be able to come in and have impact

755
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Speaker 1: as Day three.

756
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Speaker 7: Guys, Yeah, absolutely.

757
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 6: I mean you start with somebody like Jayden Reid, the

758
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 6: wide receiver from Michigan that's also an excellent return man.

759
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: He understands how to get open, he could play inside,

760
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 6: he could play outside, he could bring a kicker a

761
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 6: punt to the house in a pinch. I mean, that's

762
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 6: somebody to me that just because he's not a prototypical

763
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 6: number one, number two, or maybe even number three wide receiver.

764
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Speaker 6: He can give you a lot of depth on the

765
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 6: back end, and the special team's ability is phenomenal. You

766
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 6: look at another guy, how about a safety in the

767
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 6: mold of Jason Taylor from Oklahoma State six interceptions this year.

768
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 7: It's all about how you want to use these guys.

769
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Speaker 6: When you watch Jason Taylor, you look at him playing

770
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Speaker 6: as a roaming free safety on the back end.

771
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Speaker 7: He looks great.

772
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 6: He has range, he has ball skills. The takeaways were there,

773
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 6: he broke up passes, and he's not afraid to come

774
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 6: downhill and hit. But his tackling angles need a lot

775
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 6: of work. That you don't like him as that box

776
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 6: safety or that true strong safety, and he was asked

777
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 6: to do a lot of that in college. And this

778
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 6: is somebody that I think has played over five hundred

779
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 6: snaps on special teams.

780
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 7: He's blocked a field goal in big moments.

781
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 6: I mean, those are the kind of guys that I

782
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 6: like on the back end of the roster because while

783
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 6: I can work with their deficiencies, they are going to

784
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 6: be key special teams players for me.

785
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 7: Out of the gate. Because they've already shown that in college.

786
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 6: I have a defined role for them, like a guy

787
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 6: like Taylor, a third safety with ball skills on the

788
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 6: back end, and maybe we do clean up some of

789
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 6: their shortcomings and they turn into a full time starter

790
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: for us down the road.

791
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Speaker 7: So one more here for you too.

792
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 6: Brandon Daniels, the offensive tackle from Utah that is an

793
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 6: undersized tackle. He's a great mover, he's a leader. I

794
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 6: think he could play center or guard at the next level.

795
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 6: He moves so well. I don't think he'll be a

796
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 6: starter at that size. Some technique things that could be

797
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 6: cleaned up with this hand usage. But a guy like

798
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 6: that that can maybe play all five spots on the

799
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 6: offensive line, that's played a million snaps of college at

800
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 6: a high level. Those are the kind of guys you

801
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 6: want for the backups when you get hit with injuries

802
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 6: in the trenches.

803
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah again with Jalen Reed too. That the Senior Bowl.

804
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: We talked about it again. A guy who was really,

805
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: really good. I think he made my list of the

806
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: top ten players at the Senior Bowl. Guys that really

807
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: impressed me. It's why I love that event in particular,

808
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: because it's not like the underwear Olympics where you're running

809
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: around running forties, you're actually playing football. Oh yeah, And

810
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: so you can glean a lot from some of those guys.

811
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: And I think there are guys that are Day three

812
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: guys that you can really get an eye, get an

813
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: eye for what they can do in football setting at

814
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl.

815
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 4: So I know I love that event. I know you

816
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: do too, Connor Great Stuff.

817
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Will be on the lookout for you three hundred players

818
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: your final mock draft. You do a great job with NBC.

819
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Appreciate you taking the time, and we'll have you on

820
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: during the year.

821
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Thanks so much. Tim.

822
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle podcast presented

823
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: by Microsoft, and I'm excited to welcome in Kirby Joseph,

824
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: the Athletic All Rookie Team. Kirby Joseph the only man

825
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: in NFL history to intercept Hall of Famer Aaron Rodgers

826
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: three times in the same season.

827
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Speaker 4: Kirby Joseph, kurb, How you doing.

828
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: Man, I'm going great, man, I'm doing great.

829
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: How was the off season? It was great?

830
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: It was It was definitely an experience for show. You

831
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I never had that much time

832
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: on my hands, you know what I'm saying, So it

833
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: was kind of great to see what I did with it.

834
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: You obviously, going into your second season, the first off

835
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: season was all about training, right, it was all about

836
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: getting ready for the Combine and the official visits and

837
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: the workouts and all that. Just how different has this

838
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: off season been for you?

839
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: Now?

840
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: Having a chance to really have an off season you

841
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: can tailor your workouts to you know your film and

842
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: what you want to work on and get better. How

843
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: has the experience changed for you this offseason?

844
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 3: I feel like this off season is different because, like

845
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: I made it to the NFL, I feel like last

846
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: season it was just a whole bunch of like anxiety,

847
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. I ain't know what team

848
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: I was going to, where I was going to be,

849
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: so I'm trying to prepare for everything, you know what

850
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But once this season, I'm already on a team.

851
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: I know what I need to work on, So I

852
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 3: went into the off season just working on those things.

853
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 4: Oh, let's get into it a little bit.

854
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: What was you have your your end of the season

855
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: exit interview, right, and obviously the coaches give you stuff

856
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: to work on. You see the film, you know, things

857
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: that you want to improve upon.

858
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: What was that? What was the focus for you this

859
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: off season?

860
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: Maybe what are one or two things you really wanted

861
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: to maybe find you and work on with your game.

862
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: I definitely had a couple of weaknesses that I wanted

863
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: to point out. One of my main weaknesses was, like,

864
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I just finishing at the

865
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: point of tackle. You know what I'm saying. I just

866
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: want That's something I wanted to work on. That's something

867
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: I continue to work on it, and I got better

868
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: at it throughout the season. But that's something I just

869
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: always work on no matter what. I ain't gonna give

870
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: you all too much sauce, you know what I'm saying.

871
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna give you all that a little nugget

872
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: right there.

873
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: What about obviously an exciting off season in terms of

874
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: the secondary and some of the pieces that that Brad

875
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: and Dan have added their c J. Gardner, Johnson, the Manual,

876
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: mostly Cam Sutton. Just your initial thoughts of getting some

877
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: veteran guys and how much do you think you guys

878
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: have improved that that secondary with that kind of veteran

879
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: presence they brought in.

880
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 3: I definitely feel like we improved the secondary a lot.

881
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: I felt like it's gonna be a great season, great

882
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: year of being around these guys. I felt like it's

883
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff I can learn from these guys,

884
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: knowledge wise, play wise, tape wise, technique wise. It's so much.

885
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: It's just so much out there, you know, saying, I

886
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 3: just can't wait to see it.

887
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 4: Have you started. It's the first week you guys are

888
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 4: back in the building. Obviously work it out. It's more

889
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 4: lifting and running stuff like that.

890
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: But if you started to maybe see kind of the

891
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: veteran presence, oh some of those guys, and as.

892
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 4: A young player, do you attach yourself to some of

893
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 4: those guys?

894
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for so, I like to take I like

895
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: to take pieces from everybody, you know what I'm saying,

896
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: Because feel like you coun learn something from everybody. So

897
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: I see I peak game, and once I peak game,

898
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 3: and I just move how I moved.

899
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: Free agency is over, The draft is obviously next. What

900
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: was the pre draft experience?

901
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: Like for you, that's your draft was crazy because nobody,

902
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying, Like nobody really knew

903
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: about me. So, like I said, with anxiety, and I

904
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: was anxious and stuff like I didn't know where I

905
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: was gonna go. I have people telling me I'll go

906
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: second round or around six round and saying around. So

907
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: it was literally for that, yeah, the whole you know

908
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And like as it came down to

909
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: the wire, you know what I'm saying. Now we have

910
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: certain like you know, a certain region where I would

911
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 3: go like first to fourth round.

912
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: But yeah, obviously it was a perfect fit here. You know,

913
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: with the production that you had as a rookie, how

914
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: much conversations did you have with the Lions Lions leading

915
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: up because essentially sometimes you hear stories where you came

916
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: in on a visit, a team talk to you a bunch.

917
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: But we talked to aman Ra yesterday. We talked to

918
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: a leam and they were like, I had one conversation

919
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: with a Lion and that was it and then I

920
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: was a Detroit Lion. And what was your experience like

921
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: just with with the Lions in the pre draft process.

922
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: Was there a lot of communication or no?

923
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely was. But you know, I'm in the

924
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: draft and they studied telling me like, oh, like you

925
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 3: don't know who draft few stuff like that and know

926
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So like I know, I'm talking to

927
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: the Lions a lot when I'm trying to worry about

928
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: the ones I barely talked to, like the Broncos, I

929
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: want to talk to them that one time. What I'm saying,

930
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: like teez bill, I want to talk on to a time.

931
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: But the Lions I taught like full times. I think

932
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: I was like the singer bow because it was right,

933
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: but there was on the other team, but I was.

934
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: You guys change for a day, right or don't they

935
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: They just do the meetings for a day or get

936
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: to know both teams.

937
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: And that's when I was with Arvey Pleasant's when I'm

938
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: at Aubrey Pleasant. Yeah, but I was always over there

939
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: because I got lost when I was at the Singing Bowl,

940
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So I was wandering around

941
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 3: and I just met them and I was on their side.

942
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: I put me on the Jets side, by what they side,

943
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: and they told me to go over there, So.

944
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 4: You got lost.

945
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 3: I was over there talking to people, you know what

946
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And then that's I think that's when I

947
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: met Sean. I think that's when I met Shan too.

948
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, it worked out for you. Yeah, a

949
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: good situation, A real good situation.

950
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: Two are you, because that's when players usually take their

951
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: biggest step right in production. From the year you want

952
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: year two? Just where's your comfort level at now? Having

953
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: gone through it? You know, you know the NFL, the

954
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: game slows down, they say, are you starting to experience

955
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: some of that stuff?

956
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 3: Dude?

957
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: Just where's your comfort level going into year two?

958
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: I felt like I got real comfortable last season when

959
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: the season went on. I feel like this season, how

960
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm gona take it? Just like you know what I'm saying,

961
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take it on. And the mental aspect that

962
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 3: saying that I know stuff, but it's still stuff out

963
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 3: that I haven't seen. You know what I'm saying. Take

964
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: that into account and understand the game.

965
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: All right, I want you to put your scouting hat

966
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: on a little bit.

967
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 4: We're gonna ask you about some Illinois guys there is

968
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: all right, let's start.

969
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: Let's start with Devin Witherspoon, obviously a guy who is

970
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: some considered the best cornerback in the draft. Just I

971
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: want the Kirby Joseph scouting report on Devin Witherspoon, just

972
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: what type of player he is?

973
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: He not the best corner in the draft? He not,

974
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: he is the best corner.

975
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 4: Oh I like it.

976
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, My boy.

977
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 5: Now, I feel like.

978
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: Devon Witherspoon, Like I feel like he uh, he's just

979
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 3: a baller, you know what I'm saying. Like, you know

980
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like he.

981
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 4: Tackles physical, but you throw the film on him.

982
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: For a guy who's five eleven eighty one pounds, you'd

983
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: never guess it watching him play ball.

984
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: I mean, he plays bigger.

985
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: And that's the show is like how much heart, how

986
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: much love he got for the game, because it's the

987
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: f That show is bro Like on this tape, you'll

988
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: see like a lot of people take players all but him,

989
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: not him.

990
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 4: So I take it. Youn't mind him being a teammate.

991
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: Nay, let's stop playing.

992
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 4: All right, let's go, let's go.

993
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Let's stay at safety obviously position you know, uh, Geertavius

994
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Martin scouting report on him.

995
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: Most versatile dude. I know he could play nickel, he

996
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: playing the slide he played back then, and he could

997
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: play on the on the island on the outside. So

998
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: I feel like that's somebody that's real, durable. You know

999
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You can put in any position and

1000
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: he's not dumb either, you know what I'm saying, Real

1001
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 3: real smart players. So you could tell him stuff and

1002
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: he'll be able to pick it up on the fly.

1003
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 3: Sidney Brown, Sidney Brown's my Canadian bacon. You know what

1004
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Sidney Sidney. Sidney Sidney is somebody that's that's

1005
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: like you don't have to tell to go. You know

1006
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 3: what I'm saying That that's just effort all the way.

1007
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: Like when I first met Sidney, all he knew was go.

1008
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, like Sidney, Sidney's a ball and

1009
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: he gonna make players, you know what I'm saying. Like

1010
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: down there in the box, you don't see a lot

1011
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 3: of players being made, but Sydney gonna make those players.

1012
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: Well he I think he beating like no questionn like

1013
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: fourteen to two by himself, something like something like that,

1014
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: like he he got a pick six or the Pumber recovery.

1015
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 3: So he gonna make players down there in that box.

1016
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. He's gonna always flow around

1017
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: to the ball and then beat them players. The players

1018
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: that will always run to the ball. That's Sydney Brown,

1019
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: right though.

1020
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 4: All right, let's stay with that Canadian connection there.

1021
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 3: His brother Chase, Chase, Hey, Chase, I'm gonna tell you

1022
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 3: all story real quick. Chase was on scout team against

1023
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 3: the one defense going crazy when we was at Illinois.

1024
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 3: That's because when he transferred he couldn't play right because.

1025
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: He was at Western first and then went to Illinois

1026
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: and then they had tea.

1027
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah right, he was going crazy. Bro So yeah, Chase Brown,

1028
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: they should have gave him the highest man, bro Ain'.

1029
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: That's how I feel about Like Chase Brown does everything

1030
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: like he's tough. You know what I'm saying. It's gonna

1031
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 3: take more than one person to bring him down. You

1032
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. He not slow. He probably like

1033
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: the fastest running back in the drive one of them.

1034
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: I feel like, who faster.

1035
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: The kid from Peach, Alabama? They had the kid from Alabama?

1036
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1037
00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 4: Four three?

1038
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 3: But but my boss sliding stop playing on with dog

1039
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: Canadian bacon two times.

1040
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: Say about Illinois though that we're talking about all these guys.

1041
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 4: We're talking about first round pick, second round picks.

1042
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: Obviously yourself coming out of there, and some of the

1043
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 1: corners and safeties that are coming out now too, seems

1044
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: like a program that that's building up a little.

1045
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: Bit mm hmm. For so I feel like, oh, no,

1046
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: we've been forgotten, you know what I'm saying the past years.

1047
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: You know we haven't had the best record, but you

1048
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, that shape that shaped my class,

1049
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: that shape Spoon, that shape quand that shape Sydney shape

1050
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: Chase like all that. We know what we've been through

1051
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: and say like we've been through the bottom on the

1052
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 3: way up. You know what I'm saying.

1053
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: So let's talk about that as it relates to the

1054
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: detory lines in last year to one and six? How

1055
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: does that shape you guys? And how much did you

1056
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: learn from one and six to then turn that around?

1057
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: Stay together? I know you guys had the defensive meeting, you.

1058
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: Talked it out and then boom eight and two, and

1059
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: now people are talking about you guys being the favorites

1060
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: in the NFC North Does that did that one in

1061
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: six shape you guys to allow you to do the

1062
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: eight and two and and and just how So.

1063
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: It's not even about the record for real, but what

1064
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: I want earn from when we started to change the

1065
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 3: process from Illinois when we was losing a lot. One

1066
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: thing that I found out was the team chemistry. You

1067
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, The more together your team is,

1068
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 3: the more better y'all play on the field is because

1069
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 3: you understand what your brother going through. You know what

1070
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like off the field, so you understand on

1071
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: the field, like what he's thinking, what he about to do.

1072
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. So you're right field better

1073
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: you go right for you And then that's how that went.

1074
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Cur If you're into a lot of different things, I

1075
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: know you're big on social media.

1076
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 4: What was something you got into this.

1077
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: This offseason on social media? Just?

1078
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was some fun anything?

1079
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: I tried to I started to get out my comfort

1080
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 3: my comfort zone and travel more. I went to Vegas,

1081
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 3: met up with Tracy, just traveling a lot. I didn't

1082
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: make it out of the country this year, but probably

1083
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: next year I get to go out. I just been

1084
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: training and staying down, you know what I'm saying, Just

1085
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: vibing and ain't been trying to do too much with

1086
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: covering my body and stuff.

1087
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: Good to be back in the building.

1088
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, great, you know I say, I've been here

1089
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: before everybody else. I just been here, but I had

1090
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 3: nothing else to do. Football all I got.

1091
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: I love it.

1092
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: I know fans are excited that you guys are back

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Speaker 1: in the building, that this is starting out. The draft

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Speaker 1: is going to be a fun time and then it's

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Speaker 1: back to business. Appreciate you joining the podcast. Good luck

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Speaker 1: with everything that's up.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you off of having me man three one three one,

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Speaker 3: let's get it.

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Speaker 1: That was great stuff there by Daniel, Jeremiah, Kirby, Joseph

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Speaker 1: and Connor Rogers. I hope you guys are as excited

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Speaker 1: about the draft as I am. We will obviously have

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Speaker 1: everything broken down for you on Detroit Lions dot Com

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Speaker 1: before and after the draft. I'll hit you guys up

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Speaker 1: with another twenty minute The Huddle podcast post draft. We'll

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Speaker 1: get all the reaction to the Lions draft picks, whether

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Speaker 1: they moved up, they stayed at six eighteen, who they got,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna break it all down. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: check out to Troit Lions dot Com ahead of the draft.

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Speaker 1: I've got the breakdown of the NFC North ten prospects

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Speaker 1: I would love the Lions to draft. We've got all

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Speaker 1: the coverage and obviously, we'll handle the draft day on Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 1: Saturday live with coverage on Detroit Lions dot com, So

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Speaker 1: stick with us. We got it all broken down for you.