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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, a familiar theme resurfaced

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Speaker 1: with the Sonny and a running back James Connor. We

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Speaker 1: know everyone likes lists, so we've got one for you,

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Speaker 1: the list of MVP candidates for twenty twenty one, and yes,

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Speaker 1: Kyla Murray's name is on the list. Plus, Mike Direcky

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Speaker 1: continues to count down his top fifty draft prospects. Well

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Speaker 1: Spotlight numbers twenty one to thirty, a group that may

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Speaker 1: be in play if the decision is made to trade

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Speaker 1: down from number sixteen. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode four fourteen,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with

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Speaker 1: Craig griga Low and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is

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Speaker 1: He's into the ends after the touchdown, here's Craig Griolu

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Speaker 1: and Mike you'recking well. Let's pick up where we left

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Speaker 1: off the conversation the last time we talked, MJ and

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Speaker 1: that's Continuing the discussion about running back James Conner. The

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Speaker 1: reported visit ended in a contract, signing a one year deal.

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Speaker 1: And I know this is a move that you really

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Speaker 1: really like. The fact is that, you know in the

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Speaker 1: offseason when we got the impression that they were going

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Speaker 1: to go with Chase Evans as the bellcout. Now he's

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Speaker 1: never really carried the load, and he's been a change

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Speaker 1: of pace back. But I think if you're going to

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Speaker 1: compliment Chase Emans, who I believe will be the starter,

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Speaker 1: he's the perfect back. Looking for a guy that can

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Speaker 1: get that third and two, fourth and one, the short

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Speaker 1: lead and learn how to finish games, you want to

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Speaker 1: be at the line of run the football to keep

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Speaker 1: defense on the sideline. So I think it's nice one

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Speaker 1: two punch. And you know, clearly he's had some injuries,

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Speaker 1: he's plays physical. I think he's been good in past

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Speaker 1: he did say that really didn't sit down and tell

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Speaker 1: and if something happens a chase, you got a guy

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Speaker 1: with some experience. I like the age. He's twenty five,

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Speaker 1: You get a new opportunity, a veteran back talking about

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Speaker 1: if Sean Cougo has a saying and the offensive line

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Speaker 1: and Craig I think we can agree here. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to speak for you, but every guy that We've

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Speaker 1: talked about Butler Green, you're throwing Connor, You're throwing Hudson.

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Speaker 1: I think they've upgraded those positions on paper. Yes, keyword

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Speaker 1: on paper. But that's what the front office is charged

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Speaker 1: to do, is improve this team, and now it's on

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Speaker 1: the players and coaches to make sure that improvement shows

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Speaker 1: up On Sundays. Bird Gang really excited about this market.

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Speaker 1: Down on your calendar Thursday April twenty second, one week

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Speaker 1: from today, seven pm via the Cardinals YouTube channel. Season

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Speaker 1: four of the Emmy Award winning series Cardinals Flight Plan,

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Speaker 1: Episode number one will take you behind the scenes of

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Speaker 1: the action. This is something I look forward to every offseason,

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Speaker 1: and episode number one, titled Power Surge drops as they

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Speaker 1: like to say, on Thursday April twenty seconds. All right,

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Speaker 1: you teased it before we get into your top fifty

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Speaker 1: draft prospects, and we're highlighting numbers twenty one to thirty

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Speaker 1: the most valuable player the odds for the upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: Courtesy bets Online. Everyone loves lists, so we thought we

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Speaker 1: would play along as well. And I think you know

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Speaker 1: there are certain names that you can always count on

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Speaker 1: when you look at a most Valuable Player list ahead

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Speaker 1: of a season. Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers. You're looking at quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and I think there are a lot of quarterbacks to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to. The question is that the Bird Gang

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Speaker 1: wants to know? MJ Kyle the Murray. Does he show

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Speaker 1: up on this list? He does? Now you mentioned Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: number one Rogers, Josh Allen, Lamar Jacks to Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 1: coming to a new team, Kyler Murray. In between Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford and Tom Brady. He's ahead of Dak Prescott, who

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Speaker 1: I think is going to have a bounce back here,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson. We'll see you about the availability there, justin Herbert,

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Speaker 1: even Russell Wilson, Baker Mayfield. Now, listen last year, the

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Speaker 1: way he started and the way the team was, the

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Speaker 1: number one offense yardage wise, he was in the conversation

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Speaker 1: just like Russell Wilson. Now, I'd rather have him win

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Speaker 1: ten or eleven games than worry about the MVP. I

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Speaker 1: think he would now, Craig I didn't know this stat

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Speaker 1: but there are six franchises that have never had an MVP,

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Speaker 1: including the Arizona Cardinals, Saint Louis Cardinals, Chicago car When

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Speaker 1: I got some going back just to win, the AFL

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Speaker 1: merged with the NFL, Jacksonville, Tampa, the Saints. You would

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Speaker 1: have thought Drew Brees would have won an MVP during

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Speaker 1: the regular season, the Jets and the Texans. So I

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Speaker 1: look at the list, it would be great to see

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Speaker 1: him win that, but right now it's about him making

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Speaker 1: progress and just getting better week to week and you know,

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Speaker 1: really hitting that playbook and studying film and working out

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Speaker 1: as players. Again, I like the fact that Vegas thinks

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Speaker 1: he's going to have a better year than Russell Wilson

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Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield. You know, a couple of teams are

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Speaker 1: gonna play and you know we don't face Brady in them.

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Speaker 1: But Matthew Stafford's interested to me because I think he's

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Speaker 1: got the weapons, and I think Sean mcvay's been salivating

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Speaker 1: to unleash him. Well, we talk about Kyler Murray and

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Speaker 1: that ascension, year one Offensive Rookie of the Year, Year

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Speaker 1: two Pro bowler, and again it's not a guarantee that

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Speaker 1: year three is an MVP type season. But I think

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Speaker 1: that is the expectation to a certain extent, because, as

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Speaker 1: you mentioned, halfway through last season, there was Kyler Murray

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Speaker 1: in the midst of the conversation of MVP. He was

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Speaker 1: on track for four thousand passing yards one thousand rushing yards,

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Speaker 1: never been done before in the history of the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. And here he is the latest odds tied

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Speaker 1: for the sixth best as far as winning MVP this

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Speaker 1: coming season, tied with Tom Brady and ahead of a

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson within the NFC West. So it's a good

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Speaker 1: list when your quarterback is on it, and this certainly

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Speaker 1: bodes well for the future. Does it mean anything outside

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Speaker 1: of that. I'm kind of like you, MJ. Just give

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Speaker 1: me ten twelve wins and with those wins comes the

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Speaker 1: conversation about postseason honors. Yeah, teams with the most MVPs

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Speaker 1: per season. You look at the Packers and Colts, they

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Speaker 1: have nine, and that would be Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre,

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, probably Bart Starr possibly. Yeah, must be nice. Anyways, Hey,

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Speaker 1: it'd be great if Kyle, whether it's this year, next year,

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Speaker 1: or the year after. It would be the first person

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Speaker 1: because we know that the Cardinals have had Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame players, They've had Player of the Year honors and

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Speaker 1: Kwon Bolden and Kyler Murray and you know, defensive players

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Speaker 1: of the Week and of the month. But this this

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Speaker 1: will go a long way. But I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: that's more. That's a team award when you're winning, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about winning the award while wearing the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals uniform. Yes, Kurt Warner is a former MVP, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't do it while wearing a Cardinals uniform. That's

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Speaker 1: an important distinction. By the way, Murray not the only

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's name on this list. DeAndre Hopkins one of nine

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Speaker 1: players with one hundred to one odds to win MVP.

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Speaker 1: DeVante Adams, Travis Kelsey in that group as well, so

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, DeAndre Hopkins. I certainly could see it if

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Speaker 1: Hopkins has fifteen sixteen hundred yards and maybe fifteen sixteen

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Speaker 1: seventeen touchdowns, and of course that all bodes well. It

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Speaker 1: means the offense is moving the ball up and down

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Speaker 1: the field and scoring points. Yeah, and I think that

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Speaker 1: some of those guys should be in the Offensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year award because usually it goes to a

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Speaker 1: quarterback the MVP and less of running back runs for

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Speaker 1: two thousand yards and then you've got really good running

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Speaker 1: backs Alvin Kamara, Delvin Cook, you know. So they're gonna

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Speaker 1: put up numbers. But if hop can get more touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna put them on an All Pro team,

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Speaker 1: you know, all NFC team. So yeah, it's just hard.

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Speaker 1: But I think when it comes to the Offensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year award, it should go to a running

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Speaker 1: back or a wide receiver just based on the numbers.

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Speaker 1: And that's been the case. You just don't see a

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Speaker 1: lot of piece coming from the wide receiver running back position.

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Speaker 1: Let's move on to our next topic here on Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and that is the NFL Draft. We are two weeks

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Speaker 1: away Bird Gang from the Cardinals being on the clock

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Speaker 1: number sixteen. Overall, they have six total draft picks, and

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Speaker 1: as I referenced earlier on in the show, Drew Grigson,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals director of player Personnel, on this week's Big

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Speaker 1: Red Rage. If you missed it, go to asy cardinals

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Speaker 1: but a great interview, And according to Grigson MJ quote,

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Speaker 1: the board is up, meaning the Cardinals know where they

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Speaker 1: ranked their players, although, as Grigson added some quote, minor

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Speaker 1: massaging might be needed between now and April twenty nine,

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Speaker 1: But for the most part, it certainly sounds like a

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Speaker 1: lot of the work, a lot of the discussion has

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Speaker 1: already been done. Yeah, now you go in that draft

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Speaker 1: room and they continue, you have their draft meetings and

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Speaker 1: you start looking around, and I mean, I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: when they look with a guy maybe they have a

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Speaker 1: higher grade than the guy below that they go back

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Speaker 1: and watch the film. But the good news is the

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Speaker 1: heavy liftings done and they're confident that they put the

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Speaker 1: work in in the offseason. You know, between Quentin Harris

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Speaker 1: and Drew Grigson and a lot of the area scouts,

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Speaker 1: they've done a good job. And now now you just

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Speaker 1: got to watch things unfold. I'm sure they like a

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Speaker 1: lot of players, but at this point in time, they

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Speaker 1: just don't have a ton of picks, so they got

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Speaker 1: to head out of the picks they have. Well, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about some of those options. That the Cardinals might

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Speaker 1: have with their six draft picks. We've been counting down

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Speaker 1: Mike Directi's top fifty draft prospects. If you've missed any

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Speaker 1: of those shows, you can catch them in the archives.

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Speaker 1: But we are now on numbers twenty one to thirty,

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Speaker 1: So let's count it down, beginning with number thirty, and

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Speaker 1: that would be Landon Dickerson, the center out of Alabama

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Speaker 1: by all accounts, the number one center in this draft,

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Speaker 1: also with some experience at guard, but a unanimous All

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Speaker 1: American First team All SEC. Landon Dickerson your thirtieth best

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Speaker 1: prospect when looking at the twenty twenty one list, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to be a first

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Speaker 1: round pick, but he will be the first center. We're

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Speaker 1: going to see a couple of tackles come off the

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Speaker 1: board and then probably Vertecer Tucker off the board. But

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Speaker 1: he's he's definitely the best center obviously going to Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Great size, six six, three hundred and thirty three pounds,

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Speaker 1: arm length thirty three two five, got hands are close

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Speaker 1: to ten five. You know, he's he's the guy. As

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that, he landed on the Remington Trophy as

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Speaker 1: a nation's best center as well known as the Associated

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Speaker 1: Press All American Team. Now, according to lanzer Line, he

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Speaker 1: compares in the Frank RAGU He's an ascending interior, a

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Speaker 1: lignement with outstanding play. He's really good, wide and rugged,

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Speaker 1: with broad shoulders, waist and arms. Plays NFL caliber football

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Speaker 1: at both guard and center. Vocal leader on the practice field,

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Speaker 1: history of injuries, including an ACL Tara suffered in December,

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Speaker 1: shorter arms, and desire leaves his feet behind a dry blocker.

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Speaker 1: So according to a scout or executive for an NFL team,

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Speaker 1: I love him. I know some people around the league

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Speaker 1: think he's still under the raider, but I doubt that.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me of the Mountain from the Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 1: Just big and strong and tough. Executive from ANC team,

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Speaker 1: And it was a great moment at the end of

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Speaker 1: that National championship game. He was on the field for

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Speaker 1: that final snap. So props to head coach Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: to allow Landon Dickerson to experience that moment. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the injury certainly devastating, especially late and the season on

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Speaker 1: the way to a National championship. All right, let's go

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Speaker 1: to number twenty nine and we go to the defense.

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Speaker 1: Free safety Trayvon mullrig a six two ballhawk, the best

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Speaker 1: defensive back in all of college football according to those

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Speaker 1: who vote. He was the Jim Thorpe Award winner and

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Speaker 1: a two time first team All Big Twelve selection out

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Speaker 1: of TCU. You know, we talked about Richie Grant, and

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Speaker 1: I do think when you look at Trevin Treyvon, he

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be probably the only safety

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Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. He's got good size six

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Speaker 1: six feet two o two, his arms about thirty one

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Speaker 1: thirty and a half, A very talented height weight speed

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Speaker 1: prospect with the range and ball skills to become an

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Speaker 1: impact defender at the next level. Good size desires set

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Speaker 1: the tone on stopping stepping down the downhill to tackle

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Speaker 1: smooth hips and drives with depth. You know, I guess

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Speaker 1: the only negatives as weaknesses played with better overall coverage

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Speaker 1: awareness in twenty nineteen could be a little nonchalant finding

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Speaker 1: a post position, meaning where he's lined up and how

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Speaker 1: do you get there? According to u NFL NFL National Scout,

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Speaker 1: I thought he was better than both of our safeties

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Speaker 1: when I study even this summer on the tape of

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Gary Patterson asked a lot of his safety,

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Speaker 1: so I know the kids are very smart football players,

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Speaker 1: so I do think if there's one safety to go

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Speaker 1: off the board, it will be him. The comp is

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Speaker 1: Jesse Bates. Again, good size and plays with alpha qualities,

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Speaker 1: so he's not afraid to tackle. Yeah, he's a little

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Speaker 1: bit bigger than Richie Grant, the safety out of Central Florida.

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Speaker 1: We stay with defense at number twenty eights linebackers Avan

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Speaker 1: Collins out of Tulsa. Good size, six foot five, two

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pound and the best defensive player period,

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Speaker 1: I mean Lombardi, Bronco, Nagurski, Chuck bed Nerrik Award winner.

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Speaker 1: He cleaned house. As far as postseason honors are concerned,

642
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: six five, two fifty nine. He's got arms thirty three

643
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: six hands about ninety three. He's stuffed the statue. Were

644
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: always talking about filling up the statue. Fifty three tackles,

645
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: a team high eleven point five for losses, four sacks,

646
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: four interceptions, two pass breakups. He did not play in

647
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: the team's bowl game. The comp is lighton Vanderish Place

648
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. Kind of a similar big guy though,

649
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: But I think he's going to be your first round pick. Again,

650
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: teams are looking for pass rushers, but you know, we

651
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: know that you've got to have some inside linebackers. But

652
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: he's a guy that probably is better suited for four

653
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: to three. But he's a football player. The other thing

654
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: is three years start. As you said, winner of the

655
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: Bronco the Gurski Award, doesn't always his instincts and diagnosis

656
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: are just average at times, so he needs to deep

657
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: fill the leverage against the run. But he can prove.

658
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: He proves from eight point eight to point b. So

659
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: I do think he's going to be a guy that's

660
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: going to have a long career. I'm not comparing on

661
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: the guys like Devin White or even a guy like

662
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons. He's a little bit heavier two fifty nine,

663
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: but again six foot five. Yeah, he can play, as

664
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: I read some reports, sideline to sideline, but as far

665
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: as an inside linebacker, maybe too big for that. That's

666
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: why you mentioned being more a linebacker. And a four

667
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: three is compared to what the Cardinals run a three four,

668
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: But we'll see. You can always figure things out, especially

669
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: when you have the talent and certainly the productivity of

670
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: his Avan Collins another defensive player as we counted down,

671
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: number twenty seven in edge rusher out of Texas, Joseph

672
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: Ossai consensus First Team All American, First Team All Big twelve.

673
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: Born in Nigeria, so a great behind the scenes story

674
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: but very productive for Texas. Yeah, they were born in

675
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: Nigeria's family moved to the United States when he was

676
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: ten years old. He worked on his game during high

677
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: school to become a finalist for the Houston Touchdown Defensive

678
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: Player of the Year club. You know, you look at

679
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: his great story as you pointed out the fact that

680
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: he opted out his team's bowl games, so we didn't

681
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: get a chance to see him. But I think he's

682
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: one of those guys you can just plug in there

683
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: and six four two fifty six. The compass Tariq m McKinley,

684
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: according to Zerline, former inside linebacker who had saw the

685
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: stock rise after moving to his natural edge position, uses

686
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: long arms to his advantage. Motor stays have wrapped up

687
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: all the time. Little thing is only one year full

688
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: season as an edge rusher, allows blockers into his frame

689
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: in the run game that could be difficult. According to

690
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: a source told land Zerline AFC scout, they will tell

691
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: you in the building that this kid is just NonStop

692
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: in practice and he is in the game. There is

693
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: no front here. He loves the ball and he's going

694
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: to get better quickly. So it looks like he's the

695
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: guy that appreciates where he's at, obviously coming from Nigeria,

696
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: getting a chance to play and possibly make an advancement

697
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL. We continue to count it down thirty

698
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: to twenty one, the top fifty prospects, and we go

699
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: back to the offensive side of the ball. Here at

700
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: number twenty six, a wide receiver out of Minnesota, Rashad

701
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Bateman hasn't gotten a lot of press, but you look

702
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: at his measurables MJ and he's certainly someone that might

703
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: be allah Justin Jefferson a year ago, not talked a

704
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: lot about during the pre draft process, but once the

705
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: season begins, might be one of those guys that roally

706
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: surprises a team out there as far as being maybe

707
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: the best productive wide receiver as opposed to maybe not

708
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: the highest drafted wide receiver. Yeah, and I think once

709
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you look after the top three we talk about it,

710
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, you look at you know Jr. I'm scary

711
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: Jamar's chase, and then you look at Jalen Wettell and

712
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: then Davante Smith. He's in that sex next way. But

713
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: six feet one ninety hands are about ninety five now.

714
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: He initially opted out of the twenty twenty season due

715
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: to COVID, but decided to opt back in when the

716
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: Big Ten announced it would be playing fall football instead

717
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: of playing in the spring. He let his team in

718
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: receiving yards, but opted out. The remainder of the rest

719
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: of the season with Wisconsin was canceled due to COVID

720
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: was later rescheduled, so leagues, you know, when he plays,

721
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: he's got a chance to, you know, make some opportunities

722
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 1: and get to the ball. But for the most part,

723
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: I do think he's a guy that can be a

724
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: second round pick, and he can come in here and

725
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: help you. You know, if Cardinals arn't able to get

726
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: Jaylen Waddle, I would think that some of these options

727
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: could be second or third round. He was very productive

728
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen or thirteam All American, first team All

729
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Big twelve selection. Though the question is is you know

730
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: you brought up his weight? Minnesota listed him at two

731
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: ten yet he weighed in at one nineties. So that's

732
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: a big difference when you're talking about, you know, did

733
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: you lose twenty pounds or did you gain twenty pounds

734
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: as far as when you're playing and college. So that

735
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: is something that why the combine is so important to

736
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: teens because then you can actually get the exact measurement

737
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: on these guys as far as height and waiting. That's

738
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: a huge discrepancy when the college lists you at two

739
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: ten and you weigh in at one ninety five. I

740
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: don't know if it's a red flag MJ, but it

741
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: certainly leaves a lot to the imagination. Certainly, probably a

742
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: discussion or two with Rashad as far as how did

743
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: this happen? Yeah, you just you hope it's not water weight? Yeah,

744
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: all right, the picks thirty to twenty six, let's do

745
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: a quick recap Landon Dickerson, Trayvon Morig, Zaven Collins, Joseph Asai,

746
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: and Rashad Bateman. Let's move into our top twenty five

747
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: and at number twenty five. Certainly, in recent days, probably

748
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: the most talked about draft prospect, especially when it comes

749
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: to the Arizona Cardinals. Talking about Virginia Tech corner Caleb Farley. Yes,

750
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: he is the number one corner on mel Kiper's big board,

751
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: though he is slipping by all accounts because of the

752
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: medical concerns. He's had back surgery. What do we make

753
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: of Caleb Farley, who you m j peg as the

754
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: twenty fifth best prospect here in twenty twenty one. Well,

755
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: if you would ask me this, maybe you know, a

756
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: couple of months ago, I think I would have said, definitely,

757
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: probably one of the top three corners, you know, between

758
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: Patrick Certain and you're throwing horn J C. Horn. I

759
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: would put him in that category. Now. The thing is

760
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: he's big, long, could run, and that's what the Cardinals need.

761
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: I like the six two one ninety seven. You know

762
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: Fairly's mother, Robin passed away in January of twenty and

763
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 1: eighteen after battling breast cancer, and you pointed out, so

764
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: he's been through a lot and then he had the

765
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: back procedure which kept him working out in Virginia Tech.

766
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: He's got really good size. I mean the compass Shaun Smith.

767
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: You know the size. John Smith is tall and lean.

768
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people think he can play inside or outside.

769
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I just think it's too risky, and again there'll be teams.

770
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll go top fifteen, top twenty,

771
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: but you want to get that fifty year option, so

772
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: I can see a team taking a flyer on him.

773
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: He did say he's expected to be ready for training camp,

774
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: so or does somebody try to take a second round

775
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: pick and move up to get him for that fifty

776
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: year option. You're not drafting him for one year. You're

777
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: drafting for the next four or five years. And the

778
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: tape back set up. It's just that some team's medical

779
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: staff will say he's a red flag, wouldn't take him

780
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: in the first round, but you could take him later on.

781
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: He has been very vocal Caleb Farley has as far

782
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: as speaking out about his health and making sure that

783
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: people know that he feels that he is going to

784
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: be one hundred percent and no issues. What's the however,

785
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: former wide receiver in fact entered college as a wide

786
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: receiver and then converted to corner so he has that

787
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: ability to know what the guys that he's going to

788
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: be asked to cover, what their tricks are as far

789
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: as running routes, so that should help him as well.

790
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: But Caleb Farley an interesting name out there, especially when

791
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: it comes to corner. We know the Cardinals need for

792
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: another corner, several corners, not just here in the draft,

793
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: all right. Number twenty four running back Naji Harris out

794
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: of Alabama, the top running back last season, won the

795
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 1: dok Walker Award, a unanimous All American First team All SEC.

796
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: He is the number one running back on your board, MJ.

797
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: So as we talk about Naji Harris, also bring up

798
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Travis Etn because these two there's I wouldn't say a

799
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: difference of opinion, but some scouts out there like Harris

800
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: over Etn. Others prefer the opposite. They like at n

801
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: over Harris, and that's because they're they're different runners. They're

802
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: different size. You look at Harris six one, two thirty two.

803
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: You look at Travis Etn. He's a little bit smaller.

804
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: So you know, if the Cardinals didn't sign Connor, and again,

805
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't draft a running back at sixteen. But if

806
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: you move down. The thing is when you're drafting a

807
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: guy in the first round, you want to make sure

808
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: that you develop them over a five year period. So

809
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: you want to make sure you extend the running backs.

810
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: You're probably not going to extend. So it's a luxury pick,

811
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: but you got to make sure. But I think you

812
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: know you can get a running back in the second

813
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: or third round kind of. Now he's compared to Steven Jackson.

814
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: We know Stephen Jackson was a load, great size, with

815
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 1: the demeanor for the game, runs decisively with urgency, rarely fumbles,

816
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: able to gather and cut on short notice, downhill wiggle.

817
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: He's a downhill runner, runs with you know, the shorthands

818
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: and ability to catch the ball in the backfield. I

819
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: do think he's one of the better backs. And of

820
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: course we know that when you play at all Obama,

821
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: they you know, they produced a lot of running backs. Now,

822
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: the first couple of years he was kind of backup,

823
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: so usually the report, you know, the stigma on Nick

824
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: Saban as he runs these guys in the ground. Well

825
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: to that point, he carried the ball two hundred plus

826
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: times his last two seasons, two fifty one this past year.

827
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: So again, you know, if you're the running if you're

828
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: if you're Nick Saban, you're doing what's best for the

829
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: team at that point. But there is that you know,

830
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: how many more carries do you have if you're going

831
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: for five hundred. You're last two seasons in college. I

832
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: can tell you a story when when Mark Ingram was

833
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: coming out, he was going on back in the day

834
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: you can go on team visits. He still wasn't healthy

835
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: from the season. Now teams knew that he's gonna be fine,

836
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: but I mean, he was playing Layton, he was playing

837
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: probably early in January, but his body hadn't recovered yet

838
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: from the bruising. And again, the whole idea is, there's

839
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: a character. We want you to get to the NFL,

840
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: so we're going to take care of your But they

841
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: got so many running backs that it takes you two

842
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: years to kind of even get in the mix. So

843
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: not surprising, but I mean, this guy was electric in college. Oh,

844
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: there was no question about it. Very very fun to

845
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: watch Naji Harris, especially behind that Alabama offensive line. And

846
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: that also kind of inflates some numbers when people look

847
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: at Alabama draft prospects because the entire team is made

848
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: up of first round draft picks. It seems let's continue here.

849
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Top fifty draft prospects as Mike drek He sees it,

850
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: and number twenty three offensive tackle out of Michigan, Jalen

851
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: Mayfield six foot five, three hundred twenty pounds did have

852
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: an ankle injury this past season, but someone who has

853
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: experienced at both left and right tackle, you're talking about

854
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: an athletic tackle six five, three twenty six with just

855
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: over a thousand college snaps to his name. He plays

856
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: with alert eyes and well balanced pass sets, with an

857
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: excessive punch, wind up, wind up in lack of anchor

858
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: will make it tough for him to slow down NFL

859
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: pass rushers, but for the most part he had. He's

860
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: got the size. I think after you look at the

861
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: two top tackles, then you look at Verteca Tucker, he's

862
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: probably the next best offensive tackle. Again, when you take

863
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: a guy that played at Michigan, we know that you're

864
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: tough players. He grew up in Grand Rapids. You know

865
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: his comp his trade Pipkins. I'm not familiar with him

866
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: for the most part, but recognize his pre snap pressures,

867
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,439
Speaker 1: could kick out, slide his and steady move. So once again,

868
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: the fact that he could play both left and right

869
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: tackle now the only knock on him. Craig, He's only

870
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: he only has fifteen career starts, so the experience is

871
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: something that you'd have to sit there and figure out

872
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: and maybe it's one of those players that I could

873
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: Humphreys your red shirt that first season. May Field's teammate

874
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Quitty Pay comes in at number twenty two the defensive

875
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: and out of Michigan two time second team All Big

876
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: Ten selection. The knock on him though as a defensive end,

877
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: only had two sacks this past season. But a great

878
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 1: story born in a refugee camp in Guinea. So this

879
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: is someone that has been through a lot, a lot

880
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: of hardships, but has put himself in position to hear

881
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: his name called on Day one the twenty twenty one

882
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Yeah, great story. Sixty three two sixty one

883
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: thirty three inch arms. As you pointed out, you know

884
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: he's he had an opportunity to come here. And now

885
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,280
Speaker 1: the comp is Emanuel Ogba, who obviously plays in the NFL.

886
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: You know he's bounced around a little bit, but the

887
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: explosive testing will surely get teams of value where he's excited.

888
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: It may be hard to bang the table for this

889
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: guy based on the tape, but his traits and potential

890
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: should not be discounted. He'll continue to be a skilled

891
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: up tech in fundamentals. So great story here. As you said,

892
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't very productive. Now when you start looking at

893
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: he only has nineteen collegiance starts, so once again, very

894
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: similar to some other guys. And that's the reason why

895
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: you're not drafting in what they did in college. You're

896
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: projecting what they're going to do in the NFL. So

897
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: he was a team cap and got a great work

898
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: at the determined effort, leverage and leg drive to work

899
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: across the block. But once again it's just lack of experience.

900
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: But you're not drafting for one year. You're drafting for

901
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: the future. And that's what makes the draft one so

902
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: much fun and two so much nerve racking, because you're

903
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: banking on what you hope that these players can develop into.

904
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: So as they say in any exact science, in every

905
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: measure of the word. So we count it down at

906
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: thirty to twenty one and at twenty one. Another defensive

907
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: player and edge rusher out of Miami, Jalen Phillips, loved

908
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: the size six five, two sixty five very product at

909
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: last season eight sacks, fifteen and a half tackles for loss.

910
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: It made him a second team All American. A lot

911
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: of people like Jalen Phillips. When you talk about rushing

912
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: from the edge and getting after quarterbacks. Yeah, according to

913
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: reports and you know videos and photos, Steve Kind was

914
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: there along with Adrian Wilson. They were checking out the

915
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: other pass rusher, Russo Russo. Yeah, Greg Russo. So they're

916
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: they're looking at that. He can never have enough pass rushers.

917
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: But the comp is Max Crosby, as you mentioned, six

918
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: six two sixty edge defender with plus physical attributes, motor

919
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: that keeps working and attacking throughout the REP. He did

920
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: not play in Miami's Bowl game. You start looking at

921
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: some of his other strengths of former five star recruit,

922
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: has shown flexibility with weight, he can carry. Heated up

923
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: over his final four games with eleven tackle for losses

924
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: six and a half sacks. He missed due time due

925
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: to ankle and wrist injuries and can hushions. So obviously

926
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: going to make sure you do joel inngs there. But

927
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 1: I do think when you start looking at some of

928
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: that second wave of pass rushers or in this case,

929
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: first wave, he is going to be one of the

930
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: guys you're going to hear his name. So I don't

931
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: know how much interests the Cardinals have in him. I

932
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: think they have other needs, but we won't have to

933
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: wait and see. It's interesting when we talk about edge

934
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: rushers and I know there it's been the knock that

935
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: there is not a lot of guys that can get

936
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: after the quarterback. Yet I'll reference to it again, bird Gang.

937
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: Drew Grigson, the Cardinals director of player personnel, this week

938
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: on The Big Red Rage, liked the pass rush depth

939
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: when he was asked where this draft was deep in

940
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: and he didn't mention that, you know, top heavy, but

941
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: somewhere that you could find talents on day two and

942
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: day three. So you might not have that edge rusher

943
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: that typically you see drafted in the top five or

944
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 1: top ten. But there is depth and we know that

945
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. When you look at edge rushers, Chandler Jones

946
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: last year of his contract, what did the Cardinal due

947
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden, Okay, he's getting a little bit older, Devon Kennard.

948
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: You need to get younger at certain positions, and I

949
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: would put outside linebacker edge rusher is one of those

950
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: positions that the Cardinals should look to. It's just that

951
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: we get focused on first round, first round, Yet here

952
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: we have a Cardinals personnel director, whether you believe him

953
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: or not. And this time of year sometimes things get

954
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 1: said just to get said. But it's the first time

955
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: that I've heard anyone mentioned pass rush depth when when

956
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: looking at draft prospects. Well, again, just like corners can

957
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: never have enough pass rushers. And the fact is, you

958
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: know Dennis carducks on the shelf, you know Canard's on

959
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: the contract and got Golden. You do have Kylie Kylie

960
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: fits out there, so I mean, he got some rotation,

961
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: but you like to add in that young stud because

962
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: you're right, Chandler Jones is going to be thirty two

963
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: next year. He's in the final year of his contract.

964
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: So again, teams always start to plan a hat in

965
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: the drafts a great way of doing that. Now, the

966
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: question is you've got to develop them and you got

967
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: to coach him up because you don't want to say,

968
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: four years from now, we should have drafted somebody else.

969
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: Recapping the last five draft prospects, Caleb Farley, Nag Harris,

970
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Mayfield, Quitty Pay and Jalen Phillips. That rounds off

971
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: this group of ten prospects is now we've got our

972
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: top twenty, which we'll get into our next couple of shows.

973
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: Here on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday proud partner

974
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Mike Jarecki. Again, he has done

975
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: the homework, he has looked at the film and counting

976
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: down his top fifty draft prospects. We have reached the

977
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: top twenty and a lot of familiar names out there

978
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: and specifically names that have been linked to the Cardinals

979
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: with that sixteenth overall pick one. Last note here before

980
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: we put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two,

981
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: it certainly sounds like MJ that we will see these

982
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: draft prospects on the field this offseason. The league released

983
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 1: a memo. The offseason program Phase one will begin next

984
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: week April nineteenth to May fourteenth, virtual meetings, no on

985
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: field work. Second phase though you'll have on field drills

986
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: with coaches, and in that third phase is what we

987
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: get the OTAs the mandatory Mini camp, and there will

988
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: be a rookie football development program and post draft mini

989
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: camp that to me is huge. Last year's draft class,

990
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons and company did not get that opportunity. So

991
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: the first time that they are around teammates from around

992
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: the facility was after training camp, and I just think

993
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: that these guys need to get their feet wet, if

994
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: you will. So I'm happy to hear that. And now

995
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: we'll just have to kind of wait and see what

996
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: teams and the NFLPA decides to do or come to

997
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: an agreement as far as what this offseason program looks

998
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: like voluntary. Yet we're certainly been a lot of discussion

999
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: out there as far as what to do or what

1000
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: voluntary means, and some suggestions from the NFLPA to maybe

1001
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: not attend these sessions. Furthermore, I mean a guy like

1002
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, including this entire rookie class for all thirty

1003
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: two clubs, they need a couple preseason games. I mean,

1004
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: I would try to bring back guys they're going in

1005
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 1: the year two. So the good news hopefully in due

1006
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: time will have more information. But the fact is that

1007
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: the rookies will will have their time together when the

1008
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: veterans aren't around to make the mistakes and hopefully they'll

1009
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: learn something. But just to get these young guys in

1010
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: the field, I don't think veteran players they'll be ready

1011
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: to go. You hope they're in shape going into training camp.

1012
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: Knock the rust off in a couple preseason games, but

1013
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: it's really for guys that are three years or haven't

1014
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: been in the league three years or more. And Christian

1015
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: Kirk can always use more reps. They all could. That's

1016
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 1: the only way you're gonna get better. So I'm encouraged

1017
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: when I'm hearing based on what happened last year. It

1018
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 1: was an ideal for anybody, but all thirty two teams

1019
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: had to deal with it. Yeah, certainly for those young

1020
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: players to get some kind of reps. Yes, it's against

1021
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: air and there's no hitting, but you just want to get,

1022
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: as I say, get your feet wet so you're not

1023
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: in over your heads if you will once training camp

1024
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: begins and the regular season starts. Quick note, the Cardinals

1025
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: have made it official. They announced that both restrictive free

1026
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: agent linebacker Dennis Gardeck and exclusive rights linebacker Kylie Fitz

1027
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: have signed their one year tenders. So that is good news.

1028
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: Those two players are officially signed, and not that they

1029
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 1: were going anywhere, but that's always something that you have

1030
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: to pay attention to. But the Cardinals earlier today announcing

1031
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: that those two players have signed their one year tenders,

1032
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: so welcome back Guardeck and fits even though they weren't

1033
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: going anywhere or in twenty twenty one, more of a formality.

1034
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: And the good news is both of those guys you

1035
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: mentioned they really good special teams players, and I think

1036
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: they showed that really given the opportunities they can play

1037
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: on defense. And so you can never have enough debt.

1038
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: And the fact that they're familiar with each other from

1039
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: the organization standpoint to the coaching standpoint, and I think

1040
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: both guys fit in the locker room. So again, you

1041
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: can never have enough debt. All right, Craig, Before we

1042
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: get to the weekend, So Larry Fitzgerald is going to

1043
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: be in Tampa another golf tournament. He's just playing golf,

1044
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: that's all it is. Just golf must be nice. I mean,

1045
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: So he's going to be down there and Bruce Arians

1046
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: and you know, supposedly Tom Brady. I think he had

1047
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: knee surgery. So maybe he'll just ride around the golf cart.

1048
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: But you know, we'll see they're gonna put the recruiting

1049
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: process on him. I just going on. Let Cardinal fans

1050
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: know right now, he's going there to golf. He obviously

1051
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: has a lot of respect and they raise a lot

1052
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: of money and just me thinking out loud here, you're

1053
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: not going to hear anything for a while, and you're

1054
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: thinking it's already been a while. Well, this is a

1055
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: big decision for Larry does he play, because when you

1056
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: make your mind up, you got to be all in.

1057
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: You can't be thinking, oh, we don't have no offseason

1058
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: work out, I'll just go to training camp. Note it's

1059
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: mind over matters. So again, don't have a lot of

1060
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: insight there, but you can enjoy your weekend mid April.

1061
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: Still no decision, but we do know this, Larry Fitzgerald

1062
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: loves his golf and he'll be playing golf this weekend

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Speaker 1: with some familiar names and faces. And on that note,

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Speaker 1: let's put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: presented by Unday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Molmandro for Mike Jarecki,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig Riel Loup. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two.