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Speaker 1: I really don't want to anymore. Five six, seven eight.

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Speaker 1: You want fame, will fame costs? And right here's where

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Speaker 1: you start paying in sweat, Debbie Allen, fame the TV

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Speaker 1: show Thank you. Here's some stories about show we made

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Speaker 1: about a bunch of dots and nurses. And I said,

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Speaker 1: Around here? All right? Listen, we have m Donald. We

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Speaker 1: He's the reason that this show happened, that so many

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Speaker 1: his brain. He's the reason why I'm in my why

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Speaker 1: he's the reason I have at this show. He's the

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Speaker 1: this water bottle. I always say that to our next guest,

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Speaker 1: because of you, ladies and gentlemen. The creator of Scrubs,

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Speaker 1: mister Bill Lawrence. Yeah, I pretended to not even be

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Speaker 1: How did it the seed come to you in the

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00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 1: of the sincere or dramatic moments because he's an insane person.

428
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: And U and I'm like, no, no, no, you can

429
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: that's me. That's me. And they never do this. But

430
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: I had luckily been through the process before in a

431
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: different show, and so I went out to Donald and

432
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,479
Speaker 1: tried to make it very grave because I wanted him

433
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: to come in then and just play the drama of everything,

434
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm like, I told all of them,

435
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, that's my note. And if he comes

436
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: back and does it the other way, you'll see you

437
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 1: can do whatever we want. It's a single camera show,

438
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 1: you know. And I went back to Donald and I'm like,

439
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 1: I think I said something like, all right, they thought

440
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: you suck shit. Yeah, those I thought you would come

441
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: to tell me, all right, you got the part. You

442
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: were like, so I'm walking. I remember skipping into the

443
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 1: room like here we go, here we fucking go, and

444
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: you were like So that really was horrible for them.

445
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: For them, that was too much. I think much is

446
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: the word um now, but the uh but then I

447
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: just we talked for a while and I'm just like,

448
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: just dial it down and now play it like it's

449
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: not a comedy and play the drama of it. Donald

450
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: came back in, and there's a compliment to his acting ability.

451
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: He came back in and then he did it as

452
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: if he wasn't looking for any laughs or energy, and

453
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: he walked out. I'm sure shook by doing it again.

454
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: And the second he walked out, the head of NBC

455
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: casting and got named Mark Hurstfeld was like, oh, I

456
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: see it totally. He's got it. Yeah, thank yeah, well,

457
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: thank you. Well. First of all, thank you very much

458
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: for being a hero and ste I'm not here. I

459
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: don't have the best bedside manner. You guys know that,

460
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter though. Man, you got the point across.

461
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: And look, dude, twenty something years later, I owe you

462
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: a lot. Bro. Well, I remember it's so intimidating. I

463
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: almost I think that may have been the first time

464
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: I ever made it to a network test and it

465
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: was down to four of us and literally everyone there

466
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: must have been thirty people crammed into a small office.

467
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,959
Speaker 1: It was the most awkward environment to ever try and

468
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: do a good job. What was this for? This was

469
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: for Scrubs? Really? It was that guy Mark, wasn't it

470
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: Bill Mark? H Yeah. Everyone was crammed into his office

471
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: and I was very nervous, and Sarah was there to

472
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: read with me for her scenes. But I remember feeling

473
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: my adrenaline come up, like I was almost going to

474
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 1: have a panic attack, and I was like, not today. Well,

475
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I cheated. Everybody cheats. I cheated

476
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 1: for the people I wanted to get the part. So

477
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: you guys both had extra lines and jokes and moments

478
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: that we had all come up with and found together

479
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: that other actors weren't doing right. And then when I

480
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: at the beginning, when I go in and talk to everybody,

481
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, I'm really into everybody bringing their own flavor.

482
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 1: And so some of these actors and actresses have stuff

483
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: that they've brought on their own and I let him

484
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: do it. But it's not true, you know what I mean.

485
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: It's just you two and Sarah had stuff that you

486
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: brought on your own that we let you do. Well,

487
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: I didn't. I remember the time, thinking that's so awesome.

488
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: He feels like he's rooting for me, but is he

489
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: doing that with everyone? Like I didn't you know that?

490
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: You know, I knew. I knew since then you've told

491
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: me that. But at the time I'm thinking, like I think,

492
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: I think, I think I might be his favorite, Like

493
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting extra jokes the you know, the only one

494
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: that it's great trivia, the only one that we didn't

495
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: know what was going to happen, and we shifted gears

496
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of like what are we gonna do

497
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: if this doesn't happen? It's fascinating and I'll when you

498
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: have them on the gut as a guest, I'll tell

499
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: you I wrote in the script like we were looking

500
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: for a John c McGinley type for doctor Cox. And

501
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: John came in and read it and was fucking he

502
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: was amazing. And then at the student he did something

503
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: completely different and high energy John and his intensity dial

504
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: had been dialed up like ten notches, and the reaction

505
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: of the studio was like, whoa, that is way too

506
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: And unlike with you guys, I wasn't even confident enough

507
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: to bring John back in and go, hey, you did

508
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: that wrong, because I feel like what would follow would

509
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: be a hard blow to the face, you know, Oh

510
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: my god, get off my neck, Get off my neck.

511
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: Um and uh. And so we had this giant level.

512
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: Me and the casting directors, you know, Brett and Debbie

513
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: were like, uh, oh man, who's it going to be

514
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 1: if it? Because for us it was John McGinley, And

515
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: we went into the network and just said just cross

516
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: your fingers. And he came into the network and did

517
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: it completely different without anybody having spoken to him. And

518
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: this the Johnny C dialed down ten notches and literally

519
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: walked out of there as if he with the thought

520
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: he almost said I got this as he left. It

521
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: was just so Johnny C. He was older. He did it,

522
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: and then I'm like you feel good? He's like cash,

523
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: see you? So was Johnny had so many expressions that

524
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: he would always say, we're talking about five good ones

525
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: and and cash and how he'd better now, how are

526
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: you doing better? Now? Better now? How are you doing

527
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: there's five good ones for you. How are you doing

528
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: better now? And then how he'd say to the editor.

529
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: We'd finish the scene and our editor's name was John Michelle,

530
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: and he go, well, we gave John Michelle some mamo,

531
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: some amo, I love that dude. Man, that's funny speaking

532
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: that you went out for like a Johnny C type

533
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: and everything like that. I find it so funny that

534
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: when that's almost like a gift and a curse when

535
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: they when they say that we talked about this in

536
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: the last podcast, you know what I mean when they

537
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: say we're looking for a Zach Braft type, they're not

538
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: looking for Zach Braft though, they're looking for a Zach

539
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: Braff They want they want Zach braff ish. You know what,

540
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Although I think I thought it's different if like and

541
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: this is a compliment, like right now, both you guys,

542
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: you say Zach Bradford, Donald fays On, they're going TV star.

543
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: When I said John c mcginwiy type at the time,

544
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: it just meant a character actor, you know, with kind

545
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: of an intensity thing. It wasn't like he was a

546
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: household name, you know what I mean. So I don't

547
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: think it cursed him as much because there's no insult

548
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: to him. Seven out of ten people that read the

549
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: script or like, no, no, no, cool, who's John c mcginway,

550
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so he didn't have

551
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: this yes, guy, you mean office space, But that's a

552
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: different guy. No, it's the same guy. No, that's not

553
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: the same guy. So uh now if you say John

554
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: c mcginway type, people are like, oh yeah, arms crossed,

555
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: super intense, you know, but that kind of didn't scary intimidating,

556
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: Oh scary, you know what I mean. And then we

557
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: were we were afraid of Bill in the beginning. But

558
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: then when we got like more, I never said that. Well,

559
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, I did say one thing. I did say

560
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: one thing, and because of it, because of it, it

561
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: stuck with me for the rest of the fucking show.

562
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: And I said one time, I was like, you know,

563
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: Bill said to everybody. He was like, look, I'm gonna

564
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: write for all of you, whatever you do, just don't

565
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: come in my fucking office and say, how come I'm

566
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: not in the show this week. And so as a joke,

567
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: I went into his office. I was like, dude, I'm

568
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: fucking barely in the show this week. And he was like, oh, yeah,

569
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: you got phase on and that's stuck with me. But

570
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: do you remember phase Oh my goodness, I totally forgot

571
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: about that. So Donald did that and then for the

572
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: rest of the show, when you were when you were light,

573
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: when you barely had anything to do in the episode.

574
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: People are like, oh, man, I got phase on, I

575
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: got phase I remember the only two things I remember

576
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: like that, I remember phase and I remember even saying

577
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 1: to guest actors, um see if you guys remember this.

578
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: A guest actor would be like, I still don't think

579
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: I nailed that line. I'm like, dude, I don't have

580
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: time pet to Sarah one Morsey because Sarah she wants

581
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: one more when she's had seven five. Because Sarah, no

582
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: matter how many takes she did, like, she'd be like

583
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: the director would always be like, Okay, Sarah, you good.

584
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: Can we move on one more? One more? We'll be

585
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: like something so good about it. Confused guest actor's face

586
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: when I'm like, dude, I don't have time to Sarah

587
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 1: one Morsey right now, they thought I was speaking like

588
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: kling On. It is gibberish that that song had like

589
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: a nice hook to it. She wants one more when

590
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: she's had five. S Hey, you know what's interesting? I

591
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: can I remember something donald about someone choosing a take

592
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: in this episode. I wish I could remember who said.

593
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: It might have been um Neil Goldman because he was

594
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: up on set. But it's in the cut, and I

595
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: didn't have it in the initial cut, and he said

596
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: there's one take where Donald comes in and says, uh,

597
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: does as anybody seen my keys? How about my wallet?

598
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: And he says, how about my wallet? Like Chris Rock

599
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: my wallet? I literally went back to the cut and

600
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: I went back to the cut. Watch that, master, and

601
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: you're like, how about my wallet? Donald? Was that Chris

602
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: Rock inspired? I wanted to ask you, Now, it's probably

603
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy inspired, obviously, yeah, but it was how about there? Well,

604
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: there's there's that one. And the one that we used

605
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: to laugh at all the time from this episode is

606
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: I try to discover a Little Man. I remember we

607
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: laughed for days about that. You're really funny in this episode.

608
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to say, yes, you are. Now that we're

609
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: talking about the episode, I was gonna say that we

610
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: can segue to the This is episode three My Best

611
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Friend's Mistake, and first of all, as a show called

612
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Our Stride, I feel like in this episode, now, the

613
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: next episode that's after this is My Old Lady, and

614
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the third episode we shot, but this

615
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: episode aired before My Old Flip. I'm correct. Why Why

616
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: were Donald and I? You'll have the answer to this.

617
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: Both Donald and I forever have always said, oh, one

618
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: h three was the episode where we lose three patients,

619
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: and it was kind of like a good hitting our

620
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: stride moment. And then both of us this morning went

621
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: to go rewatch the show and we're like, oh, one

622
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: h three is not that? Did they twitch around? I'm

623
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: almost positive, but I gotta go look. The pilot and

624
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: the next one or two were directed by Adam Bernstein. Yeah,

625
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: I can help you out because Joel, our amazing producer,

626
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: made a note here that she said, I read this

627
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: was originally supposed to be episode two, this one. It

628
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: wasn't that as much is because we fixed that in

629
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: scripting stage. They wanted me to repilot and I wrote

630
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: episode two that you guys talked about. And then Adam

631
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: didn't want to go away for a week and come back,

632
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: so he was directing two episodes in a row. I

633
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: think we crossboarded even a little bit. I can't remember,

634
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: off to check. And then Mark Buckland directed The Mild Lady.

635
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: After this, even though it was the third episode. We're

636
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: going to split him out because Adam wasn't coming from

637
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: New York and even though we were gonna go you're

638
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: going to direct the first episode. In the third episode,

639
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I'm not flying home and coming back.

640
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: I'll do all the prep before and do him, you know,

641
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: because he's a quirky character. So then we say, so

642
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: this day, I've tried to get him to come do

643
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: with other things in the years since, and he's like,

644
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: I don't really like to leave New York. Donald smart

645
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: because we did catch our stride with two things. And

646
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: I'll see if you guys that we used to have

647
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: this big wall of things that we were trying to

648
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: establish his motifs for the show, and this one was

649
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: we had a super long discussion. The reason we did

650
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: that runner about how important music was going to be

651
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: in this show. And so we're like, we're even going

652
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: to make a song travel around this show like a virus,

653
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: and you know that'll be the start of how queuing

654
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: people in that music isn't just background on this show.

655
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: It has huge importance. You know. The song that we chose,

656
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm So in love with you, you know, just give

657
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: me able to it was it was specifically about what

658
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: was going on in those scenes. It wasn't just a

659
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: viral song. And we were trying to train people to go, oh,

660
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to listen to the words of the song too,

661
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: because they're about what we're actually doing. And then the

662
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: second thing, this is why it was important that Bernstein

663
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: was there, was when we first discussed that the camera

664
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: is a character. And it's the first time we did

665
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: a cowboy switch. When Zach's running to meet Elliott, that

666
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: a stunt man dives and takes a face plant, and

667
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: the camera doesn't just cut It goes around looking for

668
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: him like it's like it's an actual character, you know,

669
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: and then Zach cuts up like this. Yeah, And so

670
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: there was a thought bubble you could have almost looped

671
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: in the camera, going where'd you go? And and so

672
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: those two things kind of set a creation, of course

673
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: for the show in ways that you know, we kind

674
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: of ran with after this. Yeah, I didn't remember this

675
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: one so much. And then as I was watching and

676
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: I was going, wow, there was there's a lot in

677
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: this episode that are little moments that stuck with me forever,

678
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: like the friend zone and and the timer and the

679
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: creative timer clock thing every time I see Sarah and

680
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: and Donald. Uh. You know, there's a lot of things

681
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: that were that were used throughout the show too, that

682
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: that are established here, like it's the first time we

683
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: see Donald playing basketball, and and you look very good

684
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: down you look very fit. I wish I could get

685
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: back into that shape. You can eat too much shit. Well,

686
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: twenty six years old body compared to a forty six

687
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: year old body is a big, big, big, big difference. Man. Well,

688
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: I I really I took notice that you looked fire. Well.

689
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: I accept and received that, and so did Rob Mashio,

690
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: like Rob ye any black hair? Uh the uh the

691
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man. So this is one of

692
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: the things I get mocked for. Why this episode stuck

693
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: in my head was we all have those things, like

694
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: remember when you share something with friends that you wish

695
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: you hadn't or or you're drunk and you say something

696
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: to it's a shiver story. When you think back, you're like, oh, yeah,

697
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: so Donald was getting a nuggie to Jeff Zucker. Yes,

698
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: so one of mine, And in writer's rooms you tell

699
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: personal stories. Was in a fraternity Really I was in

700
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: a fraternity. Yeah no, I was, And uh you were

701
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: in a fraternity? Yeah no, I swear Okay. In college

702
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: we were all drinking and hanging out and I was

703
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: a little buzzy, and I had a hometown girlfriend, and um,

704
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: you really think you can go and you care that

705
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: much about her? And I said, and it haunted me

706
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. They tortured me. I said, dude,

707
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: I miss you so much it hurts sometimes. And that

708
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: became one of the memes from this show because the

709
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: mental I gotta tell you of all the memes and

710
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: and anything I get, gifts I get sent um, I

711
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: miss you so much it hurts sometimes, is one of

712
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: the most common. And it's also, by the way, the

713
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: core of how to use you know, I said, Look,

714
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: voiceover can be a crutch comedically because it's so easy.

715
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: And when I teach, like the Writers Guild, they're like,

716
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: what do you mean how, I'm like, well, the easiest

717
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: way is to state a premise in your voiceover and

718
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: then do the opposite. An example is just tell Turk

719
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: how you feel without sounding like you know a girl

720
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: for once. I miss you so much it hurts sometimes.

721
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: Another one was when Elliott had the voice over or

722
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: uh is when Kelso spilled stuff on his face. Whatever

723
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: you do, do not say the word splotchy. And I

724
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: think Jade, I think you just said good splotchy, doctor

725
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: splotch instead of why would you even say good spot

726
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: That's not even a word good anyways, all right, so

727
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to say at forty nine seconds in as

728
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: my first Muppet exit that I ever did in the

729
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: show scrolls, which which I always thought of, was when

730
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: I when I would just turn my head. I always

731
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: always laughed at how Kermit the Frog and all the

732
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: Muppets with Sesame Street characters would always turn and then

733
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: and then walk out. Yeah, so I U when I

734
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: when I leave the viewing room here, I sort of

735
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 1: do a side turn and I just kind of laughed.

736
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: I think that was the first time I tried out

737
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: my successful Muppet exit. Also ever, yeah became well it was.

738
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: It was a go to bill. At one to eleven,

739
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: there's an exterior shot of the hospital that has never

740
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: ever seen again, I don't think, And I noticed that

741
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: it says something about women's on the top of it. Yeah,

742
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: paint it out. We didn't have the budget at the

743
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: time to be painting or to be painting things out.

744
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: But it's funny watching the early episodes, there's like it

745
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: looks like you guys were it looks like someone was like,

746
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: do we have an exterior shot at the hospital? Nah?

747
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: How about that one? All right? Well we went and

748
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: shot a bunch of stuff that we used in the pilot,

749
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: and then once we ran out of that stuff, we

750
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: just started shooting it to their own building, right. But

751
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: this one was this, This was not because it says

752
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: women's something at the top. Yeah, No, it was particularly bad.

753
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of bad stuff in here, guys. Mate.

754
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, I always get shipped for that because I'm

755
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: always like, you, guys, remember my favorite thing to say

756
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: when we're so busy is I'll take all I'll take

757
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: all the mail on that. Okay, So someone like an

758
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: editor would come up and go, that says women's and

759
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, when the letters come and there are thousands

760
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: of them are going to come, Dear Scrubs used to

761
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: be a huge fan, But that hospital exterior said women's

762
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: on it. You can send all those letters to me.

763
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: I'll take all the mail. And it was such an arrogant,

764
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: dicky thing to say, but I just never got caught up. No,

765
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: but it's true because if they're looking at stuff like that,

766
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: they're not really watching the show, you know. What I mean. Yeah,

767
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: Bill would always said that when we when we were

768
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: like when we were all holding up for something like

769
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: you're you're in the wrong, you're wearing the wrong watch.

770
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: Bill would be like, guys, I'll take all the mail

771
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: on the wrong watch. Let's say that. And then the

772
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: meanest thing that you could say is to say to

773
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: John Inwood all the time was he would make you, guys,

774
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: wait while he went and fixed a light, you know,

775
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: a way in the background. Take it ten minutes. And

776
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: when he finally got back to camera, I always go,

777
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: show Saber, you know, we were in real trouble and

778
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: you fixed it with that light that's one hundred yards

779
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: in the background. Yeah. Well, the man was passionate. He

780
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: wanted to get it just perfect exact. That was also

781
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: the episode was also not only your first Muppet exit.

782
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: I wish I had a wider frame, but the first

783
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: time that when you got up from following that you

784
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: shook out your shoulders. Oh really that ocame. Thanks, I'm

785
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: frozen in a frame here at two minutes of me

786
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: in a threesome fantasy with Sarah Shaw and another beautiful

787
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: model and we're all sweaty, and the first thing that

788
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: came in my head, was could you even do that

789
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: today on a half hour single camera network comedy. Not

790
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: that because it was pretty suggestive and graphic risque. Sure,

791
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: that was so awesome by way, like host of My

792
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: job right right. Well, first of all, it was so

793
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: awesome because that's everybody's fantasy to get married and for

794
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: your wife to be like, yeah, we could do this,

795
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's also it's one of the best

796
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: outtakes ever. Do you remember that one outtake where Zach

797
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I keep kissing when they don't stop.

798
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: Remember that. I remember something being like I was like,

799
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: I know, I think I was like keep rolling. Yeah. Look,

800
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: I've had this discussion a lot. There's tons of things

801
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: on our show you couldn't do now, correctly or incorrectly,

802
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: Like the Todd is an interesting one, you know, and

803
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: we used to say, uh, like the Todd started in

804
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: a way. I don't know if you remember he was

805
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: always in a banana hammock because I said, if we're

806
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna do a young man's fantasies and see women's scantily clad, um,

807
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: I think we have to see as much, if not more,

808
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: ridiculous male nudity and so Todd would just always be

809
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: in a banana hammock um uh. And he was representative

810
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: of somebody intentionally, so crass are so ludicrous that he's

811
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: to be laughed at and not with, But unfortunately I

812
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: think he was laughed with a lot. Um So I

813
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: don't know if you could do him now. The one

814
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: things I always get busted on or two storylines. One

815
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: is when the janitor turned j D into a racist,

816
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: and one is when I put Donald's picture on the

817
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: cover of his college magazine twice. Do you remember when

818
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: I said, like, your college was so happy to have

819
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: an accomplished, great black guy that you know in their

820
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: lily white school that on their brochure, your your pictures

821
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: there twice. That yeah, they photoshopped you in twice just

822
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: to look like a PC college. You know. Well, I

823
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: noticed that. I noticed that. There are a lot of

824
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: things and this is just how how time has gone.

825
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: First of all, the show's about sexual harassment, which is

826
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: very uh. This episode is yeah, because I was so dominant.

827
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: Right now, one of Hollywood's biggest movie makers is now

828
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: in jail for doing horrible, horrible, horrible things. Right, but

829
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: we're touching things like that that are kind of untouched,

830
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: like you can't touch these things now, these things that

831
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: we were doing in the show back in the day,

832
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: some of these things, networks would be like no, no no, no, no, no, no,

833
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: let's stay away from that, Let's stay away. They'd be

834
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: so careful. I think, as Bill said, for some for better,

835
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: we've we've evolved and we probably wouldn't make some of

836
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: those jokes today, and in some I wonder if and

837
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: this example, with the sort of sexual, sweaty threesome fantasy,

838
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised Bill that you got it. I mean,

839
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: I knew you wanted to push the envelope of what

840
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: the show could be. I'm just I just wondered, like,

841
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: even in now in twenty and twenty if a in

842
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: a primetime network comedy, if you could do a sweaty

843
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: sex threesome joke. No. Look, I want to answer two things,

844
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: because what Donald was saying, you know, it is interesting.

845
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: We talked about it a lot because I don't know

846
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: if you remember in this episode the resolve is that

847
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: would have been a completely different story if doctor Cox

848
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: or younger male was calling Sarah sweetheart and the boy's

849
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: sport but we were kind of anticipating stuffing. We talked

850
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: about it. Kelso was of a different generation. He was

851
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: older than all you guys he called. He was definitely

852
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: an old school dude. You can never say these things

853
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: are innocuous, but it was a time in which at

854
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: the end John c McGinley talks to Sarah and goes,

855
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to get mad about some quasi term

856
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: of endearment, you know from an old out of touch dude,

857
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: you know your life here is going to be a

858
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: lot more complicated than it has to be. And she

859
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: took the lesson of picking my battles, you know. So

860
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: to Donald's answer, I think it's a story you can

861
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: maybe still do if you're talking. Although we've now moved

862
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: twenty years away from that. At that time we were

863
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: going like, hey, here's a guy in his mid to

864
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: late sixties. You know that is without a doubt, of

865
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: a generation. I got so much trouble when he Kelso

866
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: said to a male nurse, you know, oh, you're wondering

867
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: why you don't get respected, It's because you're doing a

868
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: woman's job. And our intent was that Kelso is so

869
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: out of touch that he would say that you know

870
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: what I mean. And then the complaints I got from

871
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: Nurse's Association, got letters and stuff true, were how could

872
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: you have a character saying that when it's such a

873
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: problem that characters that people out there, especially from that generation,

874
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: believe that and say that. I'm like, right, it's real.

875
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: He's the bad guy on the show. And there's a

876
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: nursing shortage like don't discourage people. Yeah, he's the bad

877
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: guy on the show. He has those thoughts, and in

878
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: a good way. I think Kelso evolved and into Zach's question.

879
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: It comes all under the heading and it's not just

880
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: with those two girls, which was a joke and obviously

881
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: a joke about some you know, young male fantasy, but

882
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: this is for both of you, and for Sarah and

883
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: for Judy. When I said the show has to be

884
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: real beyond the goofiness. What we fought about more than

885
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: jokes was about when we would have sex scenes, you know,

886
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: and it was really important to me, not in no

887
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: as sibious way that they seemed. They didn't seem like

888
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: a TV sitcom kiss where everybody goes whoo. And some

889
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: of the romance scenes between Zach and Sarah and Donald

890
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: and Judy and even Johnny C and my wife, which

891
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: still turns my stomach a little bit because I had

892
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: to see it. Did I had to kiss Christa so

893
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: early and I was still in the terrified of Bill

894
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: Phays and um it was an early episode I don't know,

895
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: which was probably five or something, and I had to

896
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: make out with Krista, and I remember being like, this

897
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: is the craziest job. I'm about to make out with

898
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: my boss's wife for him. I still had that on

899
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: a loop at my house. It's awesome soon. No, yeah,

900
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: it means super sexy. I'm really grateful. Oh my gosh, no,

901
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: but it is. Did you did you guys think you

902
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: were doing fairly racy sex scenes? The two absolutely throughout

903
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: the whole joke. I mean, I can't remember that big

904
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: famous one that Sarah and I did with the pizza.

905
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: I remember that being like, I can't believe they're gonna

906
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: put even put this on TV. This is gonna be censored,

907
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: and all my stuff with Amy Smart, I remember being like,

908
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna air this, like I was really excited about

909
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: and not in that way, but like when Judy and

910
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: I would do scenes together, I was it really felt

911
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: like we were a couple when watched when I watched it,

912
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because that's how I don't

913
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: know that there was just something that was really uh uh.

914
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: She and I had great chemistry, I feel like and

915
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: because of that, and because of that, I uh, you

916
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: know when I watched her stuff. That's that's what everybody

917
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: hopes for when they do romantic stuff, that the audience

918
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: believes it. And if the audience doesn't believe it, well

919
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: hopefully I believe it, you know what I mean. And

920
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I liked you guys. I like you guys. Is no

921
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: offense because I love Zach and Sarah. But my favorite

922
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: couple on the show, Donald and Judy because as a

923
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: writer's room on a glasshem the writer's room. One of

924
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: the things we put on those boards in the first

925
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: couple of weeks was we're gonna get Turk and Carla

926
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 1: together and never break them up and never threatened them

927
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, because we're gonna do will they

928
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: or won't they with the other characters and how cool

929
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: is it to see a couple that finds each other

930
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: and works right And the only reason we ever even

931
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: had you guys have a little dip here there as

932
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: a couple was because we never expected the show to

933
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: last nine years, and we had to be like, we

934
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: should probably throw a couple of curveballs there a way, man,

935
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: you know we need them. Looking back at it now,

936
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: it's the it's perfect as a young man doing you

937
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: know who's on a television show? Like I used to

938
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: be like and were gonna have Holly Berry on the

939
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: show as my love interest? And those things could never

940
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: ever happened. Were you bummed out? Not that it was

941
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: Judy because she's a knockout, but were you all my

942
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: love I know? But where you like where all my

943
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: love interests? Yeah? Absolutely, man, But when you look back

944
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: at the storytelling, when you look back at at at

945
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: the relationship that those two have, Like I can't post

946
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: pictures of my wife and I because people are like,

947
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: that's not Carla. Yeah. I get hit by the way

948
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: most pictures of me hugging anyone because they're like, why

949
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: aren't you hugging turk? Right? That's that's the other one

950
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: that comes up. I'll be like, here's a lovely picture

951
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: of me and my family and they're like, that's not

952
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: where's j D? Where's that? Braf? People? People hit me

953
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: all the time too with how and we tried to

954
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: do it you and Judy reacted. You know, TV is

955
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: a world in which a wife has her hands on

956
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: her hips and is frustrated with a husband or the

957
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: husband's like, you know, you're crazy. And even when we

958
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: sent you guys in crazy stories. One of my favorite

959
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: scenes was in a later episode, but when you guys

960
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: find out Judy's pregnant before she does, and you're gonna

961
00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: tell her and everybody knows her and know the cool

962
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: thing about your characters is that you when when it

963
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: comes to a comedic peak, and we did this a lot,

964
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: you admit fault and then she, instead of punishing you

965
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: for it, says, I, who gives a shit? We're having

966
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: a baby, you know what I mean. And that's not

967
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: often how real couples work. So it was a couple

968
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: to aspire to, right, I thought, looking back at it now,

969
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: I love it, like just the even the courtship, even

970
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: how the show starts and how these guys start offs.

971
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: You know they're not together, but if you didn't watch

972
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: the show from the beginning, you would imagine that when

973
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: the show was introduced, these characters started off to you

974
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you watch Family Guy and

975
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: you and you say, okay, so Peter's married to and

976
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: this is his family and this is and you accept

977
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: that the whole way through. There's no need for an

978
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: origin story or anything like that. And that's why I

979
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: feel it is with Carla and Turk, there's no need

980
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: for an origin story. They're just a TV couple that works,

981
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I was. I

982
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: was thinking about this because get taken it back to

983
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: the episode, like the way Zach was doing cool things

984
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: in freezing frames. I was trying to remember Minusia for

985
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: you guys, and the only the Turk and Carlo Minusha

986
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: I remember was the scene in which you two are

987
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: going to hang out and watch Fletch and then Donald leaves.

988
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: It was very subtle. We added, It's one of those

989
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: discussions you have in the writer's room. It's like Donald's

990
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: psyched to watch Fletch and Carlo says, do you want

991
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: to go hang out in your room? We don't want

992
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 1: just Carla to go do you want to go? Fuck?

993
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: Because that makes her seem like a bimbo, And we

994
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: don't want Turk to just you know, be like I'll

995
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: drop j D in an instant. So like the dumb

996
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: things you argue about in writer's room, you won't even

997
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: notice unless you watch it again. Did you see that

998
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: Carlo was holding two beers? So like when she goes

999
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: to you go look at again, she goes, you're watching Fletch,

1000
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, And it's funny when we do all the lines,

1001
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: she goes, hey, you want to go hang out in

1002
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: your room? And she's got So it's not with the

1003
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: women in the writing staff very right. We wanted to

1004
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: make it. Oh, we're not just gonna go fuck. I

1005
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: mean we will eventually, but she's got two beers. So

1006
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: it's like, do you want to go out your room,

1007
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: we both have a beer, we'll shoot the shit and

1008
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: then we'll hook up. And that fine line I think people,

1009
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: as me being a nerd, I think people, even if

1010
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 1: they don't notice that it's subtext, that they if you

1011
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: do a ton of it, they gradually notice that it's

1012
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: more than just physical. That's seen also, Zach d And

1013
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: you can hand it back to you, but you had.

1014
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: One of our other first arguments was we constantly fought

1015
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: in the writer's room, and I made huge mistakes as

1016
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: we went along about things that should be a fantasy

1017
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: and shouldn't. And this was one of the first arguments

1018
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: because when Carlos is, do you want to go hang

1019
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: out in my room? We look to you and when

1020
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: we look back, the remote control is still hovering in

1021
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: the air. Yeah, and it drops and it's very bugs bunny.

1022
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: And it was not done as a fantasy, you know

1023
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? And you already did you always this

1024
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: early have the sort of white flash to a fantasy? Always? Yeah,

1025
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: we were. We were making the rules still, but we

1026
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: hadn't done the sound effects because we were just starting

1027
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: to obsess about the difference between fantasies and flashbacks. Well,

1028
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, one of the funniest things I think in

1029
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: throughout nine years of Scrubs is that Bill was always

1030
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: dancing around what is so broad that's that it's a

1031
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 1: fantasy or what could exist in this world? And there's

1032
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: a There's two that come to mind is my favorites

1033
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: that he put in the real world, but we're probably

1034
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: supposed to be fantasies. One one is when when Donald

1035
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: packs me into the bag, it was literally, it was

1036
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: literally the size of a fucking bowling back. Sorry, it

1037
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: was a backpack, and I was like, and if you remember,

1038
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: my arm and leg were sticking up like my body

1039
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: never had I had a fake foot by your head.

1040
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: And then so when he scratched your nose, that was

1041
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: real and in the real world. And the other one

1042
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: is that the janitor builds a full size house out

1043
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: of sand in the barking lot, and that was in

1044
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: the real world. That the all right, the sand castle

1045
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: is not my fault because the sand castle, the gag,

1046
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, it was written like it was real in

1047
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: the script, and we thought it would be a sand

1048
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: castle like the size of like you ever see a

1049
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: kid's playhouse like outside, something you could actually build and

1050
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: are When I showed up, I drove, I tried to

1051
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: drive to my parking spot that morning, and the parking

1052
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: lot was closed. I remember gone, oh, rounded the part

1053
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: and there was like a final tap there was a

1054
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: sand castle as big as my home. I'm like, oh, no, well,

1055
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: that's we can't say it's a fantasy, because I think

1056
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: he lived there. For most of the episode. He kept

1057
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: yelling at people. Those are the two that always stuck

1058
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: out in my mind as one, and I'm sure as

1059
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: we go through the series we'll find other ones, but

1060
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, like, oh my god, that one in

1061
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: the bag was in the sand castle. Ye mistake. So

1062
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: listen to twenty five. We were talking about how you

1063
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: phased out In this episode you were you went nuts

1064
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 1: with sound effects and there's there's literally a horn noise

1065
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: when Johnny for fucking when you and Jady eventually do Yeah,

1066
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean this episode, this, this might have been your

1067
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: peak sound effects moment as you're figuring out, oh no,

1068
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: there's another one coming. I know there's another one coming,

1069
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: but this one has this one has the ear flick

1070
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: noise and also pretty much like any time Johnny c moves.

1071
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: You guys did the trivia question of Jeff's you know

1072
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: the Powers that Be And you know it's hard to

1073
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: screen rough cuts some single camera shows because they wouldn't

1074
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: hear the laughs of all their friends and Will and Grace.

1075
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: Is this funny? And I thought it was funny. I

1076
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: hated those sound effects so much. Did you guys do

1077
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: the trivia question of the one sound effect that stayed

1078
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: all nine years? It's got to be the wish to

1079
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: go away into fantasy? Yeah, no, wish to fantasies, though,

1080
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: is not a sign effect with an actor. There's an actor,

1081
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: Oh Todd high five? Who there you go, Todd's high

1082
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: five being amplified times nine thousand. I think it's I

1083
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: think that's the sound of like a rubber matt being

1084
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: slapped on the ground, which you know, and we kept

1085
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 1: that one forever. That's funny. They really hurt, by the way.

1086
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, John, I'm not being a whimp.

1087
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: They genuinely hurt. No one's calling you a whimp. But

1088
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: come on. He still passes out fives, you know on

1089
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: a line to people. I know you can. You can

1090
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: go on Cameo. By the way, we'll give robo shout out.

1091
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: You can go on Cameo and Rob Maschio will send

1092
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: you a message and high five you virtually. And uh go,

1093
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: go hire a rob to give your friends a virtual

1094
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: high five. On count I kind of want to get

1095
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: one for Donald. I'll accept and receive it, thank you

1096
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: very much. Three twenty six, The janitor says, one of

1097
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: my favorite lines of the first season. You see him unhappy.

1098
00:55:53,880 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: I like that I had forgotten that you lock you

1099
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 1: outside and was talking about Neil for a second bill

1100
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: because we told we shared with the with the listeners.

1101
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: The story about how you know he wasn't intended to

1102
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: be in your mind as big a role as he

1103
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: was or and and of course everyone always discusses that

1104
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: he may have been a figment of my imagination if

1105
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: if the show only went one season, but just talk

1106
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: about Neil and how you kept expanding his part because

1107
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,760
Speaker 1: he was just so freaking funny. I have a question,

1108
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: did he have to audition? Also, that's the other question.

1109
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: He did not have to here here's here's what happened

1110
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: is Neil does a stand up bit when he's interviewed

1111
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: because he's a really good actor. I don't know if

1112
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 1: you guys have ever seen him any of his dramatic stuff.

1113
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: In the middle, he was the theater and he's so good. Yeah,

1114
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: and he came in and read for John mc for

1115
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: doctor Cox and um, he was really good. But literally

1116
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 1: there because we were old buddies, I'm like, you're gonna

1117
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: be the janitor and uh. And so when he talks

1118
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: about it, he's like, so I really prepared and I

1119
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: came in and then build it. I'm gonna be the Jane.

1120
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: And when Neil does the bit, Neil's like, well, I

1121
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: still carry around like a clipboard and a stuff mop

1122
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: carry around a mop. He well, I get to wear

1123
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: one of those cool lab jumpsuit. Gray jumpsuit. Oh, he

1124
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: would get so mad. Neil would that it wasn't a jumpsuit.

1125
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: He goes, it's it's a gray shirt and pants. It's

1126
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: not a jumpsuit. I'm sorry. I always thought that his

1127
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: character was like the worst janitor in the world, But

1128
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: when you watched the show, he's always working and he's

1129
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: always doing his job. He was never lazy, you know

1130
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. He was drunk most of the time.

1131
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: As one of my favorite lines ever, have you been drinking?

1132
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm not drunk. Nah. So look, JD, the real j

1133
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: D told me often when he was talking about it,

1134
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: there would always be somebody as there's any group dynamic.

1135
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: When he was a resident, we just plague him, you know,

1136
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't always a janitor or whatever. So I wanted

1137
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: to come up with that character for you, and I

1138
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: thought it would be a line here or there. But

1139
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: Neil was so funny man and such a gift just

1140
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: to have around. And he's you know me, whenever I

1141
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 1: think someone's funny in their buddy yet put him or

1142
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: hurrying as much as I possibly can, so he became

1143
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: more and more of a character in ways I never thought.

1144
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: And part of the joy for me of going back

1145
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: and look at these episodes not only seeing moments like

1146
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: that Zach that I know Neil made up. You know,

1147
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: like even in this episode, you're screaming and the line

1148
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: in the script is la la la, I can't hear you.

1149
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: But then I kept it in because like, that's one

1150
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: of the first times that I looked in editing. And

1151
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: then there was Neil going, what you love who you know?

1152
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean, just playing around with you, you know what

1153
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember the scenes with Neil would always

1154
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: be so fun because you know, we'd all riffer around,

1155
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: but Neil was the best at it, and and you

1156
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: just never knew what he was going to say. And

1157
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: I just remember I always knew I was going to

1158
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: laugh extra hard because he would just come up with

1159
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: the craziest shit ever. I was randomly down the wormhole

1160
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: of getting ready to talk to you. To you guy,

1161
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: by the way, the end of my other sentence was

1162
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: one of the gifts for me. The show go on

1163
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: and evolved, some stuff got worse as a writer, you know,

1164
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: like when you say, I torture myself when I got

1165
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: too broad and stuff like that. But then some stuff

1166
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: got better, characters got richer, And last night, randomly, I

1167
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: was watching Neil interact with Donald, you know, I mean,

1168
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember when he had a

1169
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: sock puppet. He's like, he pretended to hit you with these,

1170
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: and your dynamic with him was so funny as well.

1171
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, it was cool to see him start to

1172
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: interact with other characters. But the wormhole I ended up

1173
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: with last night and everybody should go look for it.

1174
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: There's a scene with Sam Lloyd who plays Ted, and

1175
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: Zach and Neil and you guys are trying to help

1176
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: Neil with a girlfriend. You know, he's trying to the

1177
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: girl that played the ukulele Kate mccochie cooch. You're trying

1178
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: to get him to go for it with her. And

1179
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: I told Neil, I'm like, you gotta make up something

1180
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: of what you did with your girlfriend. And Neil, Zach,

1181
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: we used your real reactions. He made up a monologue

1182
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: about killing a d for her. It's not in the script,

1183
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: and I watched it last night. He goes, he starts,

1184
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: and he goes, he goes, look, you should give her

1185
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: a present, um, like, something personal, something you made. Like

1186
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: when I first started dating lady, I gave her a

1187
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: duck that I killed already already a weird premise, right,

1188
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: And then he said, uh, I know what you're asking.

1189
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: Wouldn't have been more personal to kill her in front

1190
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,959
Speaker 1: of her? And yes it would have, which is also

1191
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: made up. And then he goes, but the duck and

1192
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: I were driving over and uh and he goes, he goes,

1193
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: maybe I was having a bad day, maybe he was.

1194
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. But next thing you know, we're pulled

1195
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: over on the side of the road, shirts off, which

1196
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: meant the duck was wearing her shirt. He goes, next

1197
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: thing you know, we're pulled over on the side of

1198
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: the road, shirts off, you know, seeing what's what? So

1199
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Neil described a scene that he beat a duck to

1200
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: death on the side of the freeway. Yes, and I'm like,

1201
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: that's why that guy's in the show so much. Man.

1202
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: I said, hey, come up with something that you did

1203
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: for your girlfriend, and he's like, what he's probably looking

1204
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: for is that I beat a duck to death for

1205
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: her and then brought it over so she could cook it.

1206
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: See it also he would also just come up with

1207
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: the craziest ship and to the point where in later episodes,

1208
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: in later seasons, Bill sometimes it would just say in

1209
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 1: the script, it just and then Neil makes up something. Yeah, Neil,

1210
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: please say something funny. So late I guess it was

1211
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: one script. I guess it was late night in the

1212
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: writer's room, Bill, and you're like, we're not going to

1213
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: do that, just putting Neil said something funny. Yeah, dude,

1214
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: I wrote that in the script at the first time.

1215
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, Neil, it's two in the morning, just say

1216
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: something funny. And the next day he did. Of course.

1217
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, I liked it the most when I got

1218
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: to see him with you guys or with Sarah actually

1219
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: having a real moment, you know, because it's so cool

1220
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: that he could actually deliver, you know, absolutely. That's the

1221
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: interesting thing as we you know, as a show goes on,

1222
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: you start to see people's first one on one scenes together,

1223
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: and so in this episode, John c McGinley and Sarah

1224
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: have their first real one on one scene where she's

1225
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: asking him for advice. And at this point, we as

1226
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: an as an audience member, we think that JD and

1227
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: John C McGinley are the only ones that you know,

1228
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: that's the only dad son relationship, but he was actually

1229
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: a dad to all of us in this show as

1230
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: far as you know what I mean. And this was

1231
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: the first episode where we see Sarah and him and

1232
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: actually him mess with Sarah in a way that could

1233
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: have gotten her fired, you know what I mean. I

1234
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: just thought that's I thought that was very interesting because

1235
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: eventually you have to introduce everybody, even though it took,

1236
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: you know, a whole season for everybody to meet the janitor,

1237
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: for the janitor to do other scenes with, for Neil

1238
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: to do other scenes with everyone other than Zach. It

1239
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: was just it's just interesting because when the show starts off,

1240
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: it seems like the bubble is so small, you know

1241
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it starts with JD's relationship with everybody,

1242
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: but then as it goes on, the bubble just kept

1243
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: getting bigger and bigger and bigger. It's a great metaphor

1244
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: and by the end of it, we're all in the

1245
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: same universe together. And this is also the first episode

1246
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: where the hospital gets really wacky all of a sudden,

1247
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we weren't whacky before that.

1248
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: Before this, we were you know, even though it's episode three,

1249
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: we started. This is where we're starting to do things

1250
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: that later on I think, you know, I love it

1251
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: when you jump from episode one or two and you

1252
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: jump all the way to episode you know, season three,

1253
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: episode five, because the growth of the show is so different,

1254
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think about it in

1255
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: terms of characters, Like, What's one of the things that's

1256
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: hard for me to watch about the early episodes is

1257
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: Ken Jenkins is such a good actor, and he was

1258
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 1: the bad guy on this show, and I had not

1259
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: yet realized how deliciously silly and funny that guy could be.

1260
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: You know, that guy is a comedy assassin. But he

1261
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: was so good at being a guy that you just hated,

1262
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And we leaned into that

1263
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: and he didn't have any other levels. So it's so

1264
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: cool when he expands, you know what I mean, to

1265
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: see that you know that he's silly and funny, that uh,

1266
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Speaker 1: Johnny c can be kind here there, that Donald and

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01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: the janitor can go back and forth at each other,

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Speaker 1: but beyond different playing fields because Donald's not threatened. Brian,

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Speaker 1: It's it's weird to see you guys all at the

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Speaker 1: beginning because I did like the rich characters that you

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Speaker 1: all became very much. You know, I love it. Bill.

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Speaker 1: We take a caller here on our show and it

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Speaker 1: looks like side by the way, I just thought it

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: was a super villain because it is us as a

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Speaker 1: as a gentleman. That is, he's got a cat for

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01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: you guys listening at home. His picture came up on

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Speaker 1: zoom and he's petting a cat, like like the evil

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Speaker 1: genius you all are enjoying talking about your show. Well,

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Speaker 1: I have bad news, that's what um. All right, well,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and introduce him. Yes, Hi, Mark, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us. Hi everyone, how are you? Can

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Speaker 1: you hear me? Yes? We can? You just fine? Margin

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01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: my first ever zoom meeting. I've never done this. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad it's working. I'm glad you're here. Well, Mark, you

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01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: picked a good episode to beyond because you have the

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Speaker 1: creator of the whole show, Bill Lawrence. So if you

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Speaker 1: have a question for any of us, go ahead. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: hello Bill Lawrence, and hello all of you. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: It's so glad to be. Where do you live, by

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Speaker 1: the way, I live in Chicago, on the northwest side

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Speaker 1: of Chicago. Up in Avondale, old urban Park area. Shout town,

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01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: stand up. We're just talking about Neil Flynn. That's where

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Speaker 1: that's the area of the world that he is from.

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Speaker 1: My friend really Oh, but not your specific area. But

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Speaker 1: he's from Chicago. No, but he was like downstairs right now.

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Speaker 1: No no no, no, no, I mean you could be all right,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Mark, all right. Even from the earliest episodes,

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01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: Scrubs wasn't afraid to raise social issues and took a

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: clear stance that I thought prioritized like well being of

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01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: people over the economics and insurance bureaucracy. I felt like

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01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: this helped a lot of young people, myself included, start

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01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: thinking about the human side of healthcare and healthcare like

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01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: as a human right for the first time, and sort

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 1: of some of those more serious issues. So I was

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01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: just wondering if you guys were called any specific moments

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01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: from production episodes or moments on set that might have

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01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: changed or influence the way you guys have you the

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01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,959
Speaker 1: sort of work done by your characters, or just sort

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01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: of the healthcare system as a whole. All that's Donald

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: and Zach answer this for the show. I will tell

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01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: you I've been thinking about this a lot lately, Mark,

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01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: because the real j D and my pal we were

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01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: both kind of screw ups with a lot with very

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01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: little direction as young guys. And I remember asking him

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01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: what the hell he was doing going back to pre

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01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: med and he talked about wanting to be of service,

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, and his viewpoint right now, you know, not

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01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: to make this two point. Yet I face time with

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: him every night when he gets off work because he's

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Speaker 1: run of the COVID command centers on the whole ICU

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: for those hospital as we spoke about, and it helps

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01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: him decompress and not take that stuff into his family.

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01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: And he as a caregiver cares so much more about

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01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: the humanistic side than any of this other bullshit. And

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: he instilled that upon me, and he said we could

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01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: steal all of his stories, but we could never have

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01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: a callousness. He said, he was only interested in me

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01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: stealing his stories and his life and his name. If

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: the undercurrent of the show was that it was about

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of people flaws and all that cared most

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01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: about helping and taking care of other people. So that

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01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: was part of the series. And I'll we have the

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Speaker 1: rest to Donald and Zach. That's cool. That you asked that,

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01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: because I think about him every day. He's out there

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01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: doing stuff much more important of courts and and and

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Speaker 1: it's the perfect question for this era, Mark because these

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01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: these medical professionals and everyone who's working in the industry,

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01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: whether you're a doctor, a nurse, or a janitor, a medic,

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01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: everyone who in this environment is as as the world

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01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: is finally seeing in the spotlight how heroic these people are.

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01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: And I think I always felt when we were making

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01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: this show that Bill was really shining a light on

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01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: how dedicated these folks were and how they had to

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01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: deal with life and death every single day. One thing

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01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: that really stood out for me when you when you

1346
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: asked your question was the I remember learning that the

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01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: nurses really run the show. I hadn't spent much time

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01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: in a hospital when we started making Scrubs, and I

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01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: learned that the doctors can't do it without the nurses,

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,240
Speaker 1: and the nurses are the ones who are on the

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: front lines, and the doctors have to be rotating, and

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01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: they can't do anything without the help of amazing nurses.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until I spent more time in hospitals with

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Speaker 1: both my father and my sister, getting sick that I

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: really this was after Scrubs, but I remember being like, wow,

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01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: this is everything we were doing is so real. I'm

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01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: witnessing it on the front lines that we see that

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Speaker 1: doctor like every now and then, but man, these nurses

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01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 1: and when we have a good one, it is such

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: a difference and puts a smile on my sick father's face.

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01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: And when we have one that's a little bit aloof

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: it just drives you crazy. And I just really it

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01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 1: really came home to me everything we had been doing

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01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: on the show, how crucial and how important of the

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01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: people on the front lines, particularly in this anecdote I'm

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01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: telling the nursing staff of hospitals were to me. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that really sticks out for me is to

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01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: piggyback on what Bill said, is you know, for some hospitals,

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Speaker 1: if you don't have insurance, you can't get treated. And

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Speaker 1: the one thing that Scrubs did which I thought was

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01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: amazing was we had a bunch of the doctors on

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Speaker 1: the show were a bunch of rule breakers, venders, especially

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: when it came to something like that, you know what

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean. That was always special for me because you know,

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01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have great insurance, especially right now,

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01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have it and or any

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01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: insurance at all, and tests any insurance at all, thank you, Zach.

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01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: And test costs a lot of money, you know what

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01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And if there are rule breakers and rule

1380
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: benders out there that can save lives in that way,

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm all for that, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 1: I love that we had people on the show, like

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01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: doctor Cox. When Kelso's trying to get this person out

1384
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,799
Speaker 1: of the hospital, Cox comes up with so many different

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01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: ways to get this guy a bed, and I thought

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01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: that was just amazing. Hey, Mark, we obsessed so much

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Speaker 1: about your question. All in terms of the character doctor Kelso.

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Speaker 1: There's an episode you guys might remember. I remember the

1389
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: song and the scenes that because the real j D

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: he runs a hospital now and he's like, and you're

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01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: forced with having to make these decisions for the greater good.

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Speaker 1: And there's an episode in which doctor Kelso, you know,

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 1: it has to punt a guy, you know, from treatment

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01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: that they don't have in churs to have money in

1395
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: an effort to still build other stuff and to have

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01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: money to save other people. And we made this joke

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: about how every time doctor Kels so's foot hits the

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01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: bottom of the stairs. When he leaves the hospital, he

1399
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: starts whistling as if the day doesn't even affect him.

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01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: And at the end of that episode, even he because

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: he knew he was directly responsible for his guy not

1402
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: getting care. His foot hits and he has a moment

1403
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: you can see it's really hard for him to start

1404
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: whistling again. There's a Citizen Cope song called Sideways playing,

1405
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: and so we just wanted to make sure that the

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: people weren't the villains and that the system was So yeah,

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm really grateful that you noticed that and asked about it. Awesome.

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01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for giving such detailed, great responses. I

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01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: think it just speaks to how much you guys feel

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01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: for this show and put into this show. It really

1411
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: comes across and I think that's why I've been such

1412
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: a big fan for so long. So thank you, Thank you, Mark,

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01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: thanks so much for asking your question. Did you want

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 1: to ask another question? Oh? Sure, all right, you get

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01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: one more? All right? So, this episode, episode three, and

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01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: the show as a whole, I think has a lot

1417
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: of moments that exemplify really healthy, often sensitive male relationships.

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01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: Both your guys's Turk and j D and j D

1419
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: and doctor Cox and other ones, and I was just

1420
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: wondering if you guys could maybe talk a little bit

1421
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: about what was important to you guys to have positive

1422
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: sort of emotional moments between rows and how that might

1423
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: have affected your real life friendship. I think that's a

1424
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: great question. I'm glad you asked it with Bill on

1425
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: the show because for me, I really felt in a

1426
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: positive way. Granted we joked about it a lot, but

1427
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: I thought in a positive way we were showing, you know,

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: when we were growing up. I mean when Donald Bills

1429
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: a smidgeon older than us, but when Donald and I

1430
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: were growing up, you know, anything you did that was

1431
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: a motive towards the guy you were called gay and

1432
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: it was derogatory and it was negative, and it was

1433
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: just an adjective in high school and junior high and

1434
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: middle school and everything was And I always as someone

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01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 1: who was it's not no surprise I'm similar in a

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01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: lot of ways to j D. I always felt like,

1437
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: but this is who I am. I am a guy

1438
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: who is a hugger and who's emotional and where's his

1439
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: heart in his sleeve and loves musicals, who happens to

1440
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: be a heterosexual. And I felt like Bill wrote a

1441
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: character a friendship that was like, well, we're gonna show

1442
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: that that's okay to men in a way, because I've

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01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: noticed it in my life, you know the fact that

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: Donald and I would hug and stuff. You know, I

1445
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 1: did a Broadway show and Scrubs fans would come to

1446
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: the stage door and they'd be like, JD, can I

1447
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: have a hug? And I would always kind of laugh.

1448
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,839
Speaker 1: It was almost like the show was giving a certain

1449
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 1: community of men telling them that it was okay to

1450
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: You're not gonna no matter what your sexuality is, who cares,

1451
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: It's not going to be threatened by being like JD,

1452
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: just being who you truly are. And I always thought

1453
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 1: that that was a really positive thing that Bill put

1454
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, I love I love the fact that

1455
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: the two of them were so comfortable around each other

1456
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: that they could be like brothers and lie in the

1457
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: same bed in their underwear and it not be a

1458
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: thing for them, you know what I mean. I like that,

1459
01:13:56,040 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 1: And I think that storyline definitely transfer into my real

1460
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: life with Zach, you know what I mean, Like, I

1461
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: feel like my comfortability about being around other men and

1462
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: not being afraid to be who I am and except

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01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: who they are. Is all because of scrubs, you know

1464
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. I've played best friends in other projects,

1465
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: and you know, you played the tough guy, et cetera,

1466
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: et cetera. But with these guys, none of that stuff mattered.

1467
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 1: What mattered was that they loved each other at the

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01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: end of the day. And I cherished the fact that

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01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 1: I can have friendships with men and I can say

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: to them I love you and it not be looked

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: at as a bad thing. It's a weird topic for

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01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 1: me because you know, JD was based on real JD.

1473
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: Donald's based on Doctor with The truth is with these

1474
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: two characters. Anyways, I always joked around and I was

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01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: kind of wrestling with both sides of myself because I

1476
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: am I played sports and was the high school jockey

1477
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: type guy that I was afraid of this stuff. And

1478
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: on the other side, I do. Zach and I share

1479
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: a love of Broadway musicals, French Bill, Kievoi Pu Condom,

1480
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: poor servitude, all right, whatever, and uh watch that's a digression.

1481
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,719
Speaker 1: Well single is in later episodes. Yeah, I was always

1482
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: wrestling as a young man with you know, which which

1483
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: lane I fit in, and wishing that it would be

1484
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 1: easier just to not have to pick a lane. And

1485
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: then these guys, look, the truth is, whenever you create

1486
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: a relationship as a writer, it's yours for a second.

1487
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: And then the actors, if they're great, they wrestle ownership

1488
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: from you. And what starts out is eighty twenty years,

1489
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, quickly, and this show became fifty fifty mine

1490
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: in theirs and then became all theirs in a way

1491
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: that I would write moments that weren't supposed to be

1492
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: romance moments, you know, like whether it was them wanting

1493
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: to hug each other, you know, at the end, and

1494
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: then when I look in the dailies, they're rubbing their

1495
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 1: faces and heads against That's my favorite gift is My

1496
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: favorite gift is and whatever people are always like you

1497
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: using gifts of yourself. I'm like, yeah, that one I

1498
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: do because it looks like we're trying to smell each other. Dude,

1499
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: that really looks like I think one of you ad

1500
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: lived in that you smell like an athlete in a

1501
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,599
Speaker 1: way that you're just so happy. And so my point

1502
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: is I was doing it as an intellectual exercise and

1503
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: these guys made it something more and it's all about

1504
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: their You get lucky on a TV show when what

1505
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: you're watching feels even more real because the undercurrent of it,

1506
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: their intense friendship is reel. You know. I also like

1507
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: that when we meet people nowadays, they're so eager to

1508
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: talk about their best friend and how much they love

1509
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: their best friend, you know what I mean, and that

1510
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: that that makes me feel great. You know, he's the

1511
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: brown bear to my vanilla bear, or you know what

1512
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: I mean. I honestly think it gave us a certain

1513
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: community of men who watched the show and we're open

1514
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: to it, a sort of permission to to to be

1515
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: more true to who they were as Mark. If you

1516
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: want to, if you want to indulge my version of

1517
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 1: googling my own name is all occasionally go looking at

1518
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: all these wedding videos where the best man sings guy

1519
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: love to the groom. They're fantastic. There's like a thousand

1520
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: of them out there, and it always starts with a

1521
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: fake set up. He's like, you know, I was trying

1522
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 1: to think of what to toast and what to blah

1523
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: blah that I thought it's probably better to do in

1524
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: song then it days the facts, and then the groom.

1525
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: The groom always stands up with a microphone too, because

1526
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: they've rehearsed it twenty times. And I'm at home by myself,

1527
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: just going like this, lauding. I love it. All right, Mark,

1528
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: thank you for two awesome questions. Yes, thanks man, all right,

1529
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: says Mark. Hey stay safe, buddy, be healthy, Bill. Why

1530
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: does nurse Roberts have so many bowling shoes for sale? Look,

1531
01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 1: one of the things that we embraced on Scrubs early

1532
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: on was surreal jokes just for us, okay, and we

1533
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: are trying to think, I remember this, and we wanted

1534
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: this to be a runner, and we dropped it. We

1535
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: shouldn't have dropped it, but you know, you get too busy.

1536
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 1: When you were fantasizing about talking to Turk, we started

1537
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: going down path of going. What he doesn't realize is

1538
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: he's in a topic with Nurse Roberts and she's got

1539
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: a side hustle. Yeah, and we were like, what's your

1540
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: side hustle? It's selling her dead husband's bowling shoes but

1541
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: he didn't even bowl. She's just got like twenty pairs

1542
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: of bowling shoes and she tries to unload to people.

1543
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: I thought that was I thought that was so funny,

1544
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: and I forgot that joke, and then that when Donald

1545
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 1: showed up wearing them, I just laughed out loud. I

1546
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: thought that was so funny, and then I and then

1547
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: I thought, I gotta ask Bill just the logic behind it?

1548
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: What is Nurse rob Why is Nurse Robert's side hustle

1549
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: selling her her husband's bull She's just always looking to

1550
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: get a step ahead, man. The um. I just love

1551
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 1: that joke because the same way I told you that

1552
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 1: Neil's joke meant that he and the duck were both

1553
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 1: wearing shirts, even though that wasn't said aloud, that choke

1554
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: means that while you were fantasizing about turk apropoem nothing.

1555
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: Nurse Robert said, Hey, is there a chance you ever

1556
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: be interested in buying some used bowling shoes? Is that

1557
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 1: something that you would want? Because then you snap out

1558
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: of it, You're like, I do, I would really want

1559
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 1: that when I come out of the when I come

1560
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: out of the fantasy. She said something like, so the

1561
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 1: checks in your locker or something? No, because I got

1562
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: them in my locker. Oh yeah, you want to write

1563
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: me a check? You want to write me a check

1564
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: because I got them in my locker, so I figured

1565
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:53,479
Speaker 1: her locker, it's just stacked bulling shoes. Every couple of

1566
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: days she saw someone a pair of bowling shoes. It's

1567
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: just a little side hustle. Bill touched on this at

1568
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven. There's the very first thing we did

1569
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: a lot with stunts on Scrubs called the Cowboy Switch.

1570
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 1: And just if you go back and watch it, what

1571
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 1: happens is the camera never cuts, but I'm running down

1572
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: the hall, and then the camera without cutting, goes behind

1573
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: a cart, which switches to the stuntman, who then goes

1574
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 1: and does a really hard fall on the ground. The

1575
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: camera can't find me and comes back and like a

1576
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: magic trick, I've switched back to where I was. This

1577
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 1: is a really clever thing that we used to do

1578
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: a bunch of times on the show in order to

1579
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: do a really harder fall that that needed to be

1580
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: a stuntman. And I wonder, Bill, is that something Adam brought,

1581
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: or something a stuntman brought, or or you knew about

1582
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,480
Speaker 1: how how did those start coming into the show. Adam

1583
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: pitched very hard the thing we already spoke about is

1584
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: on this show. The camera is a character because it's

1585
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: almost an extension of Jad's head. You know, he's narrating

1586
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: for this camera that doesn't exist. So that was Adam.

1587
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: It's why he directed it. I remember him even saying

1588
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: just so you know, I think he shot one without it,

1589
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: but he's like, just so you know, when we do

1590
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: the cowboy switch to buy time, the cameras are going

1591
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: to look around for Jading and I remember going, like

1592
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: what it's like, it's gonna go like that, it's gonna

1593
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 1: try and find it's gonna try and find its owner.

1594
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: It's like a dog when you disappear, you know what

1595
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean. And so that was Adam and that dude

1596
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: Noon was all about the cowboy switches because he and

1597
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: Ernie the two stuntman always, by the way, it's our

1598
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: favorite jokes at Ernie a great stuntman, but it's like,

1599
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 1: always be wary of a stuntman who no longer has

1600
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 1: any of his own teeth. He had a big set.

1601
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: He had a big set of a great white teeth.

1602
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened to your real teeth? So yeah,

1603
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: the end is they said the stunts on this show

1604
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,040
Speaker 1: you want this stuff to all look real and not silly.

1605
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: Let's have our thespians and you guys both did some

1606
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: do them as much as we can, whether it's driving

1607
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 1: a scooter into the water or sliding under the cart

1608
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: or cowboy switches, and it helped sell the reality of

1609
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: that clumsiness. I thought it was awesome. And when we

1610
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: get to the Wizard of Oz episode, there's the most

1611
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 1: epic cowboy switch that we'll talk about where the scooter

1612
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: goes to the puddle, but stay tuned for that. The

1613
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,440
Speaker 1: friend Zone bill that is one of the funniest articulations

1614
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:08,679
Speaker 1: of the friend Zone. I noticed this time that everything

1615
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: everybody's dressed in beige. That's my first favorite. That's my

1616
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: first favorite and one of my all time favorite fantasies ever.

1617
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: And it just was It's such a smart, smart way

1618
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: to describe the fact. I would have done that fantasy

1619
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: in a world of streaming where you don't have time

1620
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: limits for ten minutes, I would have wanted to hear

1621
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 1: where everybody cross pass with her. I loved My favorite

1622
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,479
Speaker 1: was it even Becky being in there. And my favorite

1623
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: was the guy we worked together at Penguins, Because in

1624
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: my head, I'm like that guy and Elliott barely had

1625
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 1: shifts together. They just occasionally overlapped at Penguins yogurt and

1626
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: he was just like your shifts. I just love the

1627
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 1: cleverness of in Elliot's mind. None of those people stood out.

1628
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: So they're everybody's dressed in a shade of beige. Yeah,

1629
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: they're all blending in. They're all just people that drifted

1630
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 1: through her life. You know. Um. The last thing, I

1631
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: don't know if Donald you have anything else, but the

1632
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: last thing from the show that I wrote down that

1633
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny. I don't know if

1634
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: we ever did it again, is that you're using rowdy

1635
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: mouth to open up the beauties. That was That was

1636
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: the last thing I had to I was gonna ask you.

1637
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: I thought rowdy. I thought Rowdy should have always should

1638
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: have always been a bottle opener. But I think that's

1639
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: the first time we introduced your dead dog without I

1640
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: don't think we had any lines referencing it, did we

1641
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: zero lounge draft? No? No? No? Oh? You mean was

1642
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 1: he an episode two? Yeah? He had an episode two.

1643
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,879
Speaker 1: That's when we introduced him. That's when we enter Yeah, yeah, okay,

1644
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: I loved you know, Rowdy is That's I think something

1645
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,719
Speaker 1: more than shocking me, more than anything that people would

1646
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: go now, is is there a dead dog that's a

1647
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 1: character in this show? A real stuff dead dog would

1648
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: be a huge issue. Bill. I don't know if the

1649
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,080
Speaker 1: urban legend is true, and I really don't want you

1650
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: to correct it if it's not. But Donald and I

1651
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: were discussing in an earlier episode of the podcast that

1652
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 1: when the one the prop men was let go, he

1653
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 1: hid Rowdy in the ceiling tiles of the prop room.

1654
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. That is true. I told you,

1655
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: I told you it's true. Yeah, he we had to

1656
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: let someone go for different reasons, and he knew that

1657
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: that was a prop that he had that was a

1658
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,920
Speaker 1: character on the show, so he tried to get us

1659
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: back by hiding it in the above the tiles. He

1660
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: locked himself in there and hid that poor dead dog

1661
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 1: above the tiles. And by the way, we found it

1662
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: right away. So when we got an extra one, we

1663
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: were only getting an extra one in case something ever

1664
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: happened to the real one. But part of the laura

1665
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: became that we got an extra dead dog to you know,

1666
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: replace the one that was lost. But it's not it's

1667
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: just to generate. It's just in a weird way. That's

1668
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: what generated that story of what would we do? And

1669
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: then Bill that gave birth to a beautiful, very moving

1670
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: storyline of introducing Stephen m the other I was already

1671
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: laughing in the end. Did you get Rowdy or did

1672
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: you get Stephen? I got nothing neither. They're all I

1673
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 1: told you this story. No, I don't mean that. I

1674
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: mean when we break so we don't live together anymore.

1675
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: At one point, who gets who gets who? Oh? I

1676
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 1: forgot who got Rowdy and who got Steven? I don't remember.

1677
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 1: But Bill, I was laughing with Donald about how someone

1678
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: can't tell the difference, and I feel where their old

1679
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:22,560
Speaker 1: taxidermy balls are, and I go, no, that's Stephen. You

1680
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: knew one of them was fixed, so Rowdy hit that.

1681
01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: I think that's Donald's line to open. Yeah, I don't see.

1682
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if today you could do taxidermy dead

1683
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Speaker 1: dogs humping someone's leg. Yeah, I don't know a whole

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Speaker 1: new Let everybody not to make this an end line.

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Speaker 1: But this was such a fun exercise for me because

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Speaker 1: everybody always asks me what my favorite episode of Scrubs is,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how you guys feel. I always

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01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: say the pilot because it remember reminds me of first

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01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: meeting you all, and of the experience and the people

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01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: so much more than any specific episodes. When I watched these,

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01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: like the first one, two or three episodes, that's what

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01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: I remember is seeing you two idiots become friends and

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Speaker 1: having to deal with the pluses and minuses of that

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01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: when you came in crazy hungover to work, but also

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Speaker 1: when I would see your friendship on screen, you know,

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01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: and seeing how people were afraid of Johnny c and

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Speaker 1: how that translated, and seeing Donald's chemistry with Judy and

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01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: Zach and Sarah's puppydog love for each I mean, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So that's what this stuff takes me back to, you know,

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01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: is how cool it is that not only that you

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01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: two are still friends, but that we all still spend

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01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 1: time together and talk. You know, I say, I love

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01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: a lot I've noticed, but I truly do love that

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01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: about what we've done together. You know, we didn't just

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01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: build a television show together. You know, it wasn't just

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01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, you created a show, We acted in it,

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01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 1: see you later. We become like a family and when

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01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 1: we see each other, it's so amazing. And you know,

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01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't see everybody as much as I see the

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01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 1: two of you, but it's always it's always dope, you

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01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I I enjoy. I know I'm

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01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: gonna laugh. I know I'm gonna you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna feel good. It's always great to

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Speaker 1: be around Joe. Thank you so much, Bill for coming on.

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Speaker 1: And I hope that you'll do this. I mean, it

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01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,599
Speaker 1: makes sense of all people for you to come on

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01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: a bunch to this because I hope. I hope you will,

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01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: because you know, people seem to be really liking it

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01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: and which makes a smile, and it makes so much

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: sense to have you on whenever you're willing to come on.

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01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: You know what, I thought you could do that. Uh,

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01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: you can either use this cut it, or take this

1723
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 1: pitch and do it from now on on any podcast

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01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: that I'm not on. If you guys running too a

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01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: question with the guest or with each other, why did

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01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: this happen? Or is this true? You can fire it

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01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: off to me. I will voice memo record a one

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01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,599
Speaker 1: line response that you can edit in. And that's great.

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Speaker 1: That's very smart you'd be like, all right, Joel, we

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01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: need a bill voice note answer on this question and

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01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 1: then we'll just cut it in when we do the

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Speaker 1: podcast editing. I love that. Yeah, um, you know, as

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Speaker 1: if I'm hovering there all the time, which I will

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Speaker 1: not be. Well, this is great what you guys are doing.

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Speaker 1: I love you both, I miss you both. Thank you,

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01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: and um and um we love you and thank you

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01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: and um. You know. We ended the last episode by

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Speaker 1: giving a shout out to the medical community, and I

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01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 1: think it's right to do it since we were a

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01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: show about a hospital. Just to give all our love

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01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: to anybody who's listening to this, who has anyone fighting

1742
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: on the front lines of this insanity. Thank you so

1743
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: much for your your courage and uh and and for

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01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: being there for for all of us. And yeah, there's

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01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 1: a thousand things you can do to be of service.

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01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: You can write a check, or you can call your

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01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: friend that's working at a hospital and talk to him

1748
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,800
Speaker 1: or her every night just to see how they're doing.

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01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 1: But uh, spend a few minutes and do it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. And on that note, Donald, will you

1751
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 1: lead us in song? Yeah five six, here's some stories

1752
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 1: show we made about a bunch of docs and nurses

1753
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 1: and a janitor who loved me. I said, here's the

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01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: stories never you all should know, So gather around you.

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01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: Here are gather around you, Here are scut free while

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Speaker 1: show wis at ten time