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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. We're gonna do

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Speaker 3: something a little different this evening. We got that big

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Speaker 3: Friday energy that BFE and we wanted to do a

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Speaker 3: thought experiment. I think it's fair to say that we

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Speaker 3: as well, like all of us recording this evening and

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Speaker 3: all of us listening at home, we're all fans of

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Speaker 3: the idea of psychic powers, right, I'd be absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think some of us would go so

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Speaker 4: some degree. It's a what do you call it? A spectrum?

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Speaker 4: I think that exists in terms of at least this

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Speaker 4: is capable of beyond maybe the stuff that's on the label.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think about the world's fascination with psychic powers,

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Speaker 5: and immediately to mind comes Stranger Things, and think about

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Speaker 5: the popularity of that show. But then that was twenty

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Speaker 5: and you could argue all these reasons of why the

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Speaker 5: I think at the heart of it is this like

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Speaker 5: nebulous psychic powers thing that you get to discover when

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Speaker 3: Show, right, similar to Firestarter novel Twisted Fires, which is

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Speaker 3: clearly your president for stranger Things, I think, and I

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Speaker 4: And also I mean, just like even back to the

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Speaker 4: X Men and folks like Professor Xavior, who are essentially

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Speaker 4: adjacent is Legion, the show on Effects, which is like

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Speaker 4: about literally trying to keep these psychic weapons under wraps

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Speaker 4: and keep them from like exploding, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, and that mythology is great because he is Charles

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Speaker 3: Xavier's right.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a badass. I love that actor too,

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Speaker 5: Way, And the reason why I bring up Stranger Things

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Speaker 5: that thing is that we call esp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's imagine then that this is all real

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Speaker 3: Tonight's thought experiment, as in, yeah, a world where some

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Speaker 3: and you know, astral travel, remote viewing, clear matter. Yeah, telekinesis, psychokinesis, pyrokinesis,

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Speaker 3: and of course obviously psychometry, the power most notably wielded

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say greg kinesis, referring to the actor

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Speaker 4: Greg Kinnear because that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I do things.

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Speaker 3: I like the idea like you can push the Gregs,

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Speaker 5: I just imagine those guys like, do it as an

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Speaker 2: It's psych with their hand.

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Speaker 3: Up and let's get meta with it. What about canisius cansis.

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Speaker 4: A million percent got you can never forget Canisis canisis right.

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Speaker 3: It's real kinesthetic. That's what we're going for.

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Speaker 6: Boom, you nailed it, h Mike Droppindean.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, well, we are responding to a wonderful message from

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Speaker 3: our fellow conspiracy realist Joe in our weekly listener mail program.

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Speaker 3: Joe asked us a question that just sent us down

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Speaker 3: a rabbit hole, which was the following, did world governments

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Speaker 4: Sh I got all of us going, man, the moment

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Speaker 4: Strange News briefly, but like, oh man, what a what

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Speaker 4: a blessing it is to have like a playground to

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get into this.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but we do have to wait though, because

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Speaker 3: this is our cold open. Yeah, yep, here are the facts.

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Speaker 3: Longtime listeners, we do know the first part of Joe's question.

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Speaker 3: Multiple governments have in the past experimented with the idea

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Speaker 3: of psychic powers in one degree or another. Matt, we're

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Speaker 3: talking off air and you know this as well. One

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Speaker 3: Russian or Soviet I should say, investigations into this for

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Speaker 3: Americans in the crowd this evening. The most notable example

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Speaker 3: of government funded psychic research is the Stargate Project.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and right before we jumped on super producer Tennessee

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Speaker 5: Palell Dylan, he told us that he just reread The

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Speaker 5: Men Who Sterry Goats, which is based on the Stargate Project.

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Speaker 3: Yes, excellent two thousand and four book, and folks, the

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Speaker 3: goats are largely okay, just if there's any sensitivity. Also

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Speaker 3: later adapted into a film, but very much based on

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Speaker 3: a real thing. And it might sound whack a doo,

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Speaker 3: but let's learn some more, right. I think that's the

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Speaker 3: first part of answering Joe's question. What is the Stargate Project?

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Speaker 3: It is not based on the film Stargate.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was?

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Speaker 3: I rewatched that.

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Speaker 6: And it's just.

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Speaker 3: It's great the way the vibes is great.

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Speaker 3: Who was the main guy? Was it? Kurt Russell?

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Speaker 6: Kurt Russell is in the original stay right of the

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Speaker 4: But also the dude from the Crying Game, right, the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Unfortunately, the Stargate Project in the real life, the

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Speaker 3: United States never did nail an ancient alien thing depending

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Speaker 5: And it was super cool. It was like really cool

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Speaker 4: I think one of my favorite memories of the show

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Speaker 4: to Russell Targ about his participation in training operatives, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think I personally had spent time speaking with someone

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Speaker 3: Tremendous individual. Yeah, do check out that interview, because you know,

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Speaker 3: And that I think is the art of high thought,

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Speaker 6: Get to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great hair too. I think I've mentioned this as well.

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Speaker 4: Forgive me for being redundant, but gotta be the influence

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Speaker 3: And we're saying this to establish again the reality of this.

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Speaker 3: Regardless of how you feel about psychic powers or an

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Speaker 3: intelligent people were also interested in this concept. Stargate focused

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Speaker 3: on remote viewing. Remote viewing is the idea that certain

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Speaker 3: It, Oh, yes, that's right, created a.

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Speaker 5: Remote viewing session from this project where someone got to

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Speaker 3: Did such kick ass sound design on that one man.

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Speaker 5: It was a group effort that made something special, I.

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Speaker 3: as long as they start Project Stargate back up. This

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Speaker 3: unit the Stargate project was neither unique nor the first

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Speaker 3: of other similar things that have awesome names.

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Speaker 6: A flame grilled whopper. No, it was literally called grill.

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Speaker 3: Flame, which is safe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it really just makes me think of those sweet,

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Speaker 4: of these gondola wish that's like, that's someone that's.

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Speaker 6: Really hankering for a vacation to Venice. They've got that

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Speaker 6: Gondola wish.

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Speaker 3: Caribbean Suction exactly.

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Speaker 6: Caribbean Suction would be a great name for an op.

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Speaker 4: And also scan It yeah, scan It yeah, Scannon Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They all came together in nineteen ninety one and sort

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Speaker 4: Seemingly picking the least objectively bad name of the bunch

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you're anti Gondola Wish.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, man, Gondola Wishes. I just want to know more

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Speaker 5: because these these feel like superhero names or something, right,

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Speaker 5: Like you're trying to create a weapon that is specifically

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Speaker 4: Grill Flame is a superhero spokesperson for a grill company.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm looking at it thinking about some

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Speaker 5: Oh, where the turtles become teenagers and learn to kana exactly.

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Speaker 4: Wheels within wheels, why don't we take a quick break

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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. All right, again, this is

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Speaker 4: messages from others those around them, and then ascribing those

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00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: two being messages from the divine. But Matt, you you

441
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 4: bring up something that never really occurred to me, the

442
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 4: idea of it being a distance based thing. I guess

443
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 4: you first have to understand the mechanism of it all

444
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: to really understand how distance might play a part in

445
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 4: such a such an exchange.

446
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, is it a wave or is it a particle?

447
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 6: Man? Or is just a vibe?

448
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: I think it's is it an emanation of energy? Is

449
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: it somehow quantum super positioning, it's yeah, it's a whole

450
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: bag of badgers. So the first, the first countermeasure answer

451
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: is the most simplistic, which makes it the most reliable.

452
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 3: It is also by far the most brutal suite of solutions.

453
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: If you have individuals capable of such extraordinary feats, you

454
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: have to build in a method of controlling them so

455
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: that you can prevent because now they're humans as weapons,

456
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 3: so you've got to stop them from going rogue, and

457
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: you have to be able to by hook or by crook,

458
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: make sure they cannot be turned against you.

459
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 4: Or if that is not on the table, you have

460
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 4: to neutralize them, whether that be by keeping them in

461
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 4: some sort of cell that perhaps has lead walls or

462
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 4: whatever it might be that would prevent those kind of

463
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 4: signals from getting in or out.

464
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 6: Or if you really get to the point where they're

465
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 6: just an absolute.

466
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 4: Liability, perhaps perhaps execution would be on the tube.

467
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: I think it's the old suicide squad method, with an

468
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 5: explosive charge embedded in the net, you know, or whatever.

469
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, a kill switch is unfortunately the most one

470
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: of the most plausible things. I mean, before you get

471
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 3: to that, I think you should do that from day one.

472
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 3: And for being honest, before you get to that, you

473
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: we have to look at precedent. How did various governments

474
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: and regimes control scientists in the past. They did it

475
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: not necessarily through threatening the scientists, but by exercising continual

476
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: monitoring of their loved ones and the scientist activity, and

477
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: then extorting the scientists to you know, make them play ball,

478
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: by not threatening them but threatening their children.

479
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: That's gross, is that the old?

480
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 5: Hey, we saw your spouse and your children at the

481
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 5: park the other day. They looked great. That those blue

482
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 5: pants on your daughter just they're gray? And where did

483
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 5: you buy those?

484
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 3: Just an envelope with a with a picture of your

485
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: kid at a playground?

486
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, be a shame if something happened to your

487
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: mint condition Ken Griffy Junior rookie card. If you don't

488
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 4: have any kids, just.

489
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: A baseball garden enthusiasts, And it wouldn't be any different

490
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: with esp capable humans. As a matter of fact, you

491
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,239
Speaker 3: probably also want to do some behavioral modeling. Be very

492
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: diplomatic on that one, but the real term is brainwashing.

493
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: And then you know, we mentioned you want to build

494
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: in a kill switch. The most simple is a remotely

495
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: activated device that can cause fatal brain trauma or interfere

496
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 3: with the circulatory system, an evil version of a pacemaker.

497
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: Keep him away from microwaves. You can see the future,

498
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: but he can't eat hungry man.

499
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 4: Another thing you see too a lot of times is

500
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Speaker 4: folks kind of being exposed to some of the things

501
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: we might think of as torture mechanisms, like sleep deprivation

502
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 4: or sensory overload, where they've got like TV screens surrounding

503
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: them in three hundred and sixty degrees and like death

504
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: metal blasting at all times because it's screened, you know,

505
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: theoretically would scramble their equipment in a way that would

506
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 4: not allow them to focus and then exercise their powers.

507
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

508
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point too, because this series of

509
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: unique capabilities would still only be one part of the

510
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: person entire and we know very well the vulnerabilities of

511
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: the human mind and body. So there's also there's also

512
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: another nasty thing. This has happened before in different spheres.

513
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: You could also get them hooked on a chemical of

514
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 3: some sort, exactly on a substance that they are reliant

515
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: upon you for you know, and that's that's terrible because

516
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: then we have someone who is you know, maybe capable

517
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 3: of remote viewing, but they have also been turned into

518
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: a junkie as a matter of national security, God forbid.

519
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: Then they escape from the facility and they are crazed

520
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: because of addiction and then lashing out. And can you

521
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: imagine someone going through withdrawals chemically who also is an

522
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 4: extremely powerful psychic with telegenetic abilities.

523
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: This is like the whole compound v thing.

524
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, compound view from the voice. And then

525
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: also ideally, and we're just being honest here, you would

526
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: want withdrawal from that substance to be fatal, ah, so

527
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 3: that they would have to keep coming back to you.

528
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: You would chemically assure their loyalty. Very dirty thing and

529
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: super messy. To your point, Noel, I don't think that's

530
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: a reliable one. But there's another point you made that

531
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: I think is key here, the idea of the padded room.

532
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: The second countermeasure is material science. Right, if astral travel

533
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: is real, to that earlier question you were talking about, Matt,

534
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: what sort of energy defines the traveling mind? Is it

535
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: a force that emanates from a physical location. Is it

536
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 3: something quantum and interacting in dimensions and time and space

537
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: in a way that we don't understand. If everything is

538
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: indeed energy, then figuring out this kind of energy the

539
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: platform or the medium is key because we know certain

540
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: materials can block the passage of different types of energy.

541
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 3: Shout out to our Timfoil episode.

542
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think we figured it out recently from

543
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: the story you brought to us, Noel. The was that

544
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 5: time crystal thing or was the.

545
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: Crystal memory crystal?

546
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, the memory crystal sub five D baby, Yeah, you

547
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: make some kind of five D prison yikes?

548
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 6: No, was it? Didn't that play a part in one

549
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 6: of the Christopher Reves Superman movies?

550
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't there like some yeah yeah, yeah, that's where they

551
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: put gen that's right, yes, thank you.

552
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like really bad CGI kind of trapezoidal box, right, okay?

553
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: And it was in general, he was, and check it.

554
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 3: I'm not up to date on Kryptonian chain of commands him. Yeah,

555
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 3: that's right, that's right.

556
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: Need a fifth dimensional distortion field chamber.

557
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: I like it. I love it. Let's go star trek

558
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: with it, you know, whenever they need some dius x macana.

559
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: They just get the most science y sounding words and yes, right,

560
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: so we without getting to sciencey word science. Wow, still

561
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: learning English, folks. A Faraday cage is a real thing.

562
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: It can create a reliable barrier against electromagnetic radiation. Shout

563
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: out to our buddy Michael Faraday back in the eighteen

564
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 3: hundreds who figured this out. That's it's pretty simple principle

565
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: that candidly I would have never figured out. So thank

566
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: you again, Michael.

567
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's incredible because again we talk about this

568
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 5: energy matter everything it exists in, sometimes in particle forms,

569
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 5: sometimes a waveform, as science has shown us, and waves

570
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: are everything, right, They're just on different frequencies. The frequency

571
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: is how close together the wave actually is. And then

572
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 5: what's the other thing looking at you know, maybe talking

573
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 5: about sound like the that's frequency.

574
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: And then amplitude.

575
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 5: Amplitude Okay, those are the two major things you would

576
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 5: have to control for because those waves constitute everything from

577
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 5: the lowest possible sound you can make, and then you

578
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: keep going up and you get into the light range, right,

579
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 5: and then you keep going up and then you get

580
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 5: into all kinds of other rays and things like that.

581
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 5: If you can control for those waves and not allow

582
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: them to exit or enter a space. Then you win

583
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 5: when it comes to controlling basically any energy that can

584
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 5: come in or escape.

585
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, build a wall one hundred percent.

586
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: But once again, that pre suppo is that we understand

587
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 4: the mechanism of executing these type of abilities, Like if

588
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: it's something that's sciency, you know, or is this something

589
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 4: that's well beyond the realm of science that we can

590
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 4: fully understand. Is this stuff, like you said, Ben in

591
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 4: some way superposition based or or beamed in and bounced

592
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 4: off of other things?

593
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 6: I mean, you know what I mean, Like I just yeah,

594
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 6: we just don't know.

595
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 3: I love the idea that they finally they finally figure

596
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: it out, because it's always the academics who saved the day.

597
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: I love the idea that they try all this material

598
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: science to protect information from astral travelers, and then out

599
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 3: of nowhere comes in this seventy some year old retired

600
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: professor and he has figured out the right Sumerian derived sigils. Yes,

601
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: so you have to paint on the inside of the wall,

602
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: and now that's our skiff.

603
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 4: That's why I think we all love stuff like hell

604
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: Boy and like the League of Extraordinary gentlemen, because it's

605
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: sort of like these crews that are based they're working

606
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: for the government, but they understand the magic is real

607
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: and they wield you know, appropriate countermeasures, you know, to

608
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: deal with the infernal forces.

609
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 6: Where sciences doesn't have a role.

610
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: You know, I love it. I love it. I'm a

611
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: government exorcist, you know what I mean. I look getting

612
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: rid of these demons and infernal powers. It's just a job.

613
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: I'm running the clock down for my pension. Every day

614
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 3: is Monday when you deal with the devil.

615
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 6: Right there are clergy, you know, on payroll for the government.

616
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 4: I imagine do you can't you imagine that somewhere in

617
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 4: a program of black op whatever.

618
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 6: So maybe we're not aware of they do have exorcists

619
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 6: on staff.

620
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: It's it's a really cool question. And I love the

621
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: idea to your bpr D hell boy reference. But I

622
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: think it depends on you know what, It depends on

623
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: the ideology or the spiritual school of thought or the exorcism,

624
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 3: because if it's the Western idea of exorcism as we

625
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: recognize it today, then it has to be approved by

626
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. Right. Well, we know the veticant definitely

627
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 3: has an exorcist squad.

628
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: Maybe they just sub it out, you know, when they

629
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 4: just reach out to third party or to the Catholic church.

630
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: It's a contractors. Yeah, we got some exorcists, but they're

631
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: from Halliburn exactly.

632
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 6: Hmmm.

633
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 5: I want to bring up another thing in the material

634
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 5: science world that again comes from a fictional space, from

635
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 5: the video game Control and it makes me think of

636
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 5: the HR or the Hadron resonance amplifiers, which are mobile

637
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 5: devices like a backpack that somebody would wear that then

638
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 5: sends out a signal, almost creating a signal bubble for

639
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 5: whoever's wearing it that prevents these bad waves whatever they

640
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 5: could be, from entering that bubble.

641
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

642
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: No, that's a really good call. I totally forgot about that. Yes,

643
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

644
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: It's almost the way sound canceling headphones work or stuff

645
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 5: like that. You you basically take in the signal or

646
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 5: you receive a signal and you flip it and when

647
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 5: you play that signal out as an incoming signal is

648
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 5: hitting you, it can't the waves cancel each other out.

649
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's signal interference you could you could create and

650
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: that's These concepts still are somewhat similar to the idea

651
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: of Faraday cage. Right, you're building a barrier, how do

652
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: you build it? A Faraday cage is like a raincoat,

653
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: but for certain types of invisible energy instead of rain.

654
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: And what we're talking about here, actually, I think we're

655
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: doing a very good job with this thought experiment, and

656
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: I think we're being pretty reasonable. I got a little

657
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: out there with Samerian academia, and that's my bad. But

658
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 3: it would We had to do it. We had to

659
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 3: do it. And if you like, so what we're talking

660
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: about is, how would you build a skiff scif? How

661
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: would you side proof something? How would you make a

662
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: senative compartmented information facility that is able to stop psychic

663
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: powers and astral travelers? I mean that's the other thing too,

664
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: Like what I love about when you're pointing out control,

665
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: we have to ask is it possible to train people

666
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: or build machines that can detect these kind of reconna tempts,

667
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: you know, like having someone round this. This is the

668
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: weirdest thing. Okay, this is like, uh, this is so surreal.

669
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 3: But if this was possible, you would build the you

670
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: build the room right to protect your secrets and you

671
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 3: get to this really silly situation where you end up

672
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 3: with three guys who are trained to do the vibe

673
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: check and they just sleep and sh yeah hopefully, I know.

674
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Would you want to be trapped in a room with

675
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: Jeff Goldblum twenty four to seven right off of you.

676
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 6: That's his superpower.

677
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: He's got the power to move you. Yeah, So this

678
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 3: would mean you'd have to have twenty four to seven monitoring,

679
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: and if if it was some kind of capability that

680
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: was unique to certain human brains, you would have to

681
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: find like three of those people and just keep them

682
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: in that room or in that proximity where they could

683
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: somehow tell you if someone's wrong. And then you would

684
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: need to train or harden individuals even if they're not

685
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: side capable against possible interference. You know, you have to

686
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: have and sometimes I think under the Hickman run of

687
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: X Men they talk about this. You would have to

688
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 3: have some kind of protocol or attempt to have it

689
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 3: embedded in the mind so that you could detect when

690
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: someone got when someone pinged you, and you would have

691
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: maybe some kind of mantra that you repeat, like name,

692
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 3: rank and serial number, you know, the quick brown fox

693
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: jumps over the dog. Yeah, is that the one one

694
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: that uses all the letters of the letters? Yeah, you

695
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: would have to have something like that. I don't know

696
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: if that would even work. I'm getting a little spooped

697
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: out thinking about it.

698
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: Obviously, Well, I think you would have to have that,

699
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: and just going back to our earlier discussion when researching

700
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 5: the offensive capabilities versus the defensive capabilities, I think it

701
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 5: would have any of that research. I know we don't

702
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: have official documentation for a lot of it, or it's

703
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: heavily redacted. When it comes to the psychotronics stuff that

704
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 5: so the Union was doing, or the start some of

705
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 5: the Stargate stuff that we were doing, a lot of

706
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 5: it still has that lovely black.

707
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: Marker across it.

708
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 5: But I imagine that there are there are in tandem projects

709
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 5: that are solely based on what you're talking about. Ben

710
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 5: individuals that essentially become the beacon that ends up getting

711
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 5: the ping when the signal comes in. Right, they can

712
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 5: just have that sixth sense thing something's off, something's happening,

713
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 5: and it wouldn't have to be as strong as oh,

714
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 5: there's a person in Wisconsin and they are It would

715
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,959
Speaker 5: just be something's off and it's like shut it down mode,

716
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 5: like you're talking about, everybody reverts back to whatever that

717
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 5: default thing is.

718
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: That intuition, right weaponized, and we do know, you know,

719
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 3: it leads us to another thing, the concept that some

720
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 3: people have electromagnetic sensitivity right explored and better call Saul,

721
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 3: perhaps most famously recently, which.

722
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 6: Is not fully accepted or understood by science.

723
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: Right, right, We do know that there has been also,

724
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: I think we talked about this in the past, there's

725
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: been a surprising amount of government sponsored research into the

726
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: concept of intuition, right into the concept of the internal

727
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 3: vibe check. And and that gets us to another answer

728
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: for our pal Joe, another countermeasure that would inevitably come

729
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: into play, and we have returned so speaking of monitoring.

730
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: The third thing, and we've been talking about this too, right,

731
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: you would want predictive ability, not quite the same as

732
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: telling the future. You would want intense knowledge about the origin,

733
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: the current location, and the capabilities of every single side

734
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: capable person on the planet.

735
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 4: So it'd be a registry or some kind or you know,

736
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 4: I mean serious database, likely robust tracking monitoring. You know,

737
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: Privacy would be out the window. And that's you know, honestly,

738
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 4: that is the world that is depicted in things like

739
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: X Men. You know, the idea of the mutant registry

740
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 4: and this like backlash and.

741
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 6: Persecution of folks seen to have mutant abilities.

742
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: Dude, dude, can I bring some of the other I

743
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: just thought about guys.

744
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I just.

745
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 5: Imagined an iron Man's style figure based on existing directed

746
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 5: energy weapons that we talked about in twenty fourteen. By

747
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 5: the way, the EHF were extremely high frequency wave weapons

748
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 5: that were that were developed, like the active denial system.

749
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 5: Imagine the way bluetooth technology and miniaturization of extremely good

750
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 5: speakers has evolved. Now, imagine somebody that on their hands

751
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 5: have like directed speakers in the palm of their hand

752
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 5: to where they could at any time like push their

753
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: hand out towards a crowd of people, and this active

754
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 5: denial system is emanating from the palm of their hands,

755
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 5: and then you could but it wouldn't affect the user

756
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 5: because of the directional nature of it, and then you

757
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 5: could just bring it right back in ulcer ray.

758
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 4: Basically, Yeah, this would be a deterrent mechanism in and

759
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 4: of itself, not some sort of like device designed to

760
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 4: enhance a pre existing ability.

761
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 3: I'm imagine.

762
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, yeah, I'm imagining it's a it's almost like

763
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 5: creating a specter of someone like you're in a conflict

764
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 5: zone or something, and then some some person just like

765
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 5: comes out of nowhere and just aims their hand at you,

766
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: and you don't see a speaker on their hand. You

767
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 5: just see them raise their hand at you, and then

768
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 5: your brain starts to hurt.

769
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: I hope it's good. I hope when the side effects

770
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 3: is a weird, silly sound, like you see the hand

771
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: and then you hear yeah, they spent millions of dollars

772
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: building this.

773
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 6: And your eyes turn into like spirals.

774
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're like, we can't get rid of the sound.

775
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 5: You could build in a terrifying sound que that plays

776
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 5: at the same time that the high frequency sounds are playing,

777
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 5: and you would just you could terrify talk about terrorism.

778
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: Cheez Okay, sorry, just had that thought.

779
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's perfect thought.

780
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 6: It always reminds me of stuff like that.

781
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: Reminds me of that scene in Back to the Future

782
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 4: where Marty dresses up like the spaceman from another time,

783
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: you know, wearing like a hazmat suit and he just

784
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: puts the headphones on, uh George McFly's ears and then

785
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: presses play on the walkmen, and he's like, you like,

786
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: it's bad to be like brain scram because he's never

787
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 4: heard heavy metal before.

788
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 6: You know.

789
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 3: And this this gets into some really deep water. The

790
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: registry idea is dangerous. Yes, Historically registries have a lot

791
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: of danger to them. You would want to take all

792
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: the data about any known side capable individual as much

793
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: as you can get, like figure out when and how

794
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 3: they poop, right, and then run that algorithm or run

795
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: that run pattern recognition through some massive database and find

796
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: anything that these people might have in common. Is it

797
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 3: maybe a specific genomic expression, like how most people with

798
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 3: blue eyes can trace their origin back to a single mutation.

799
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 3: Is it, yes, something like that. Is there an injury,

800
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: an event, perhaps a specific type of neurological condition that

801
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 3: increases the likelihood of this functionality?

802
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 5: Is it the surge intake when they were in their adolescent.

803
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: We sure hope, so, we sure hope so, but yeah,

804
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: you know, the idea, like going back to that excellent

805
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: example about prophetic figures like Joan of Arc for instance,

806
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 3: was there something that could be mistaken for epilepsy if

807
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: you don't look closely enough, some kind of you know,

808
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: a traumatic brain injury, is there, Like, imagine if the

809
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: right kind of concussion gives you some ability, just like

810
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: in the Stephen King novel The Dead Zone where the

811
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 3: guy comes back and has psychometry.

812
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: Dude, or even self reporting of hearing voices or something

813
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 5: like that. You know, just something small that then becomes

814
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: a Oh, that's something we can actually track.

815
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 3: Right, we found a bread crumb, and that's what you're

816
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: searching for. And then the next question is is it

817
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: possible to reliably reproduce those factors? And you know, people

818
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: would experiment with this if there was a specific type

819
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: of brain injury or combine with you nomic expression that

820
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: did the right thing. Would you, for the greater good,

821
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: subject you know, children or civilians to traumatic brain injury

822
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: in search of growing your own telepath squad.

823
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 5: The creepy and messed up answer is somebody would. Absolutely

824
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 5: somebody would.

825
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 6: Somebody are thinking about it.

826
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody me. I mean, that's the it's like the

827
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: flying car idea. Also, you would want to control those

828
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: factors if you can. You would want to prevent that

829
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: from happening unless you knew about it. Just like that

830
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 3: line from a Blood Meridian, all that exists without my knowledge,

831
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 3: exists without my consent, man, I have all the way three.

832
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I've been watching a lot of YouTube video

833
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 4: essays about The Judge in particular, and I need to

834
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 4: dig into that novel.

835
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 6: It seems like an absolutely horrifying specimen.

836
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: I think there was going to be a film adaptation

837
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: at some point.

838
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: That's what a lot of the videos are about, about

839
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: how unfilmable it is because the way it's written is

840
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 4: in this sweeping biblical language with very little punctuation and

841
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 4: like very little quotation marks, so you don't even know

842
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 4: if this is an internal monologue or a character speaking.

843
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 4: And it's part of Corman McCarthy's whole deal. But like, yeah,

844
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 4: it seems like it'd be a tricky one to adapt.

845
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, paigeing the Cohen brothers right, they're the guys for

846
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 3: the job. Absolutely, This this idea that you could control

847
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: or reproduce or prevent these factors that lead to a

848
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: side capable person not even an operative. It reminds us

849
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: a lot of the old pickle about the flying car.

850
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 3: A flying car is a great idea as long as

851
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: you're the only person who has a flying car. If

852
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: everybody has a flying car, it's a nightmare, it's chaos.

853
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 5: It'd be real hard to paint a bunch of lines

854
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 5: in the sky somehow.

855
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: Well, we'll get there, I'm confident. Yeah, let's just save

856
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: the sky.

857
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 5: Just perpetual drones that form like lanes that you can

858
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 5: fly in.

859
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 3: And since multiple flying cars are a disaster, just like

860
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: multiple SI capable operatives, you don't want anybody else up

861
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: there in the proverbial air with you. And if you

862
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: find them without hesitation, you swat them down, you remove

863
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 3: them from the sky.

864
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 5: I know this episode is full of fictional references, but

865
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 5: it reminds me of Doctor Sleep and whatever that group

866
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 5: is that goes in and tries to take out all

867
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 5: the people that have the shining or.

868
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 6: Yeah that rose the hat. Yeah.

869
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 4: I liked that book quite a lot, and I thought

870
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 4: the movie by Mike Flanagan was a lot of fun,

871
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 4: and I like the way it depicted the shining stuff.

872
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 4: I thought it was real digue tool that steam, Well,

873
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 4: steam is what they want, Yeah, exactly.

874
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 5: But it ultimately just makes sense that you would want

875
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 5: to eliminate anybody that could potentially have this capability.

876
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the spoilers, folks, Doctor Sleep is great.

877
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Speaker 3: But in the doctor's sleep example three two one spoilers,

878
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 3: there's an added incentive, right, They're not just preventing the

879
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: growth of rivals, it also consuming them provides power.

880
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 6: Yep.

881
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: So what if you could eat a sole or eat

882
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 3: a mind.

883
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 2: What if that's what's going on here?

884
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: Man?

885
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 5: But if that's it, you get the psychic berry out

886
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 5: the inside of their head, and now you've got more berries.

887
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 3: There we go. That's basic economics, you know what I mean,

888
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: it's berry economics. I mean, this sounds dystopian, but if

889
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 3: we look at the real world, we see that there

890
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: are plenty of terrifying precedents for all the stuff we've outlined.

891
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: In terms of countermeasures. Much of what we've discussed tonight

892
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 3: applies one to one with nuclear weaponry. Like, yeah, a

893
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: nuclear weapon is cool as long as I'm the only

894
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 3: guy who has one. Yep.

895
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 6: See you see it all the time.

896
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: No, it's so true, and it mirrors. It's weird that

897
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 5: it mirrors the US USSR whole conflicts Cold war thing

898
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 5: in the very same way.

899
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: It's very same motivations.

900
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess you know. On an optimistic note,

901
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: we could say there are more peaceful options if you

902
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: are part of some covert program to do any of

903
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: the stuff that we're talking about. You could also try

904
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: international agreements. You know, you could try to make some

905
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: kind of regime of norms and laws and policies to

906
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 3: prevent sigh powered disaster. You know, people did it kind

907
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 3: of with nuclear agreements. It worked for a little bit.

908
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 5: Well yeah, Voldemort was like, yeah, I know, we got

909
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 5: like norms and treaties and stuff, but I'm Voldemort.

910
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 6: I don't care about any of that.

911
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,359
Speaker 3: Hey, guys, it's me Voldemort. Earlier I told you I've

912
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: been doing that, right.

913
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 4: I've been stealing it. Ben, I'm not gonna lie in

914
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 4: my my normal day to day.

915
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 6: Life, I say from earlier all the time. Apropos. Yeah,

916
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 6: it's fun.

917
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 3: It works because if you're ever in a situation well anyway, yeah,

918
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: that's a different that's a different game.

919
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: As you say, Ben, we do tend to get into

920
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 4: situations here on stuff they don't get into.

921
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, sir, and there's no escaping it. We were

922
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 3: talking about this earlier. Humans do not know most things,

923
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: and Matt, I remember very very vividly when you said that,

924
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 3: and I said, that's not a ding. There are just

925
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 3: a lot of things to know. We don't know most

926
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 3: of them, but we know there is no reliable evidence

927
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: of psychic powers at the level that we see in

928
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: all the beautiful fiction and film we've made. But we

929
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: have argued in the past, and I think with a

930
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: lot of validity, it is increasingly plausible that technology will

931
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 3: create something like these capabilities in the real world, and

932
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 3: sooner than many of us would like to think.

933
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 5: Right yeah, we're already seeing some of that stuff. We've

934
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 5: talked about technologies in play right now and studies in

935
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 5: play that are attempting to what transcribe and then represent

936
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 5: dreams via brain wave function, and that's happening in a

937
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 5: clinical setting and that's happening with up close technology right now.

938
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: But the way stuff moves, things get smaller and further

939
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 5: apart from whatever it is they're meant to manipulate, and

940
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 5: I don't.

941
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 3: Know, maybe it's another handheld device, right because we know again,

942
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: in a clinical setting, there are methods to read a

943
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: person's thoughts and translate them, especially with visual imagery, like

944
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 3: hook them up to the right equipment. Say, think of

945
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 3: a case idea, and then the computer will show you

946
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: a picture of the case idea they're thinking of.

947
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, now you just need to get you know, individual

948
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 5: users to wear things on their head for long periods

949
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 5: of time that can scan those same brain waves, like oh,

950
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 5: I don't know, some Apple earbuds.

951
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, shout out neurolink. Not everybody involved

952
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: in those experiments has died a little bit of faint

953
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: praise there. But then also to your very diplomatic thank you, sir,

954
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: thank you, But to the earlier example about the handheld,

955
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: like the economy of scale, right, the miniaturization the handheld

956
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 3: aspect of this, you could have what's the old thing,

957
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 3: like the right hand gives, the left hand takes. You

958
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: get your repulsor ray in your right hand and then

959
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 3: your left hand. When you need to get intel from someone,

960
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: all you have to do is put that palm on

961
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: their head and then pull out what you need and

962
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: then you know, boom, boom, scramble the eggs.

963
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 5: Yikes, you get both hands at once, goes in, scramble

964
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,479
Speaker 5: comes out.

965
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

966
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, it's strange, but it is. It

967
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 3: is such a great question. We can't thank you enough,

968
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: Joe for introducing us to this concept.

969
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 4: It's fun for us, Joe, it's fun hopefully.

970
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And guys, if you could have one psychic power,

971
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: do you have a draft pick? Do you have one?

972
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: You want to?

973
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 4: There's caveats though, right, because it's like, it'd be cool

974
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 4: to be able to read people's thoughts, but not all

975
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,959
Speaker 4: the time and not with with no fill. That would

976
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 4: be terrifying and Tantama would probably drive you mad. It'd

977
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 4: be cool to have like the force esque power telekinesis.

978
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: Yet you Oh, I'll have to think of it.

979
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 4: No, not gonna let it happen. No opting out this time.

980
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 3: I I I said, like you, No, I agree anti telepathy.

981
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 3: Telekinesis would be useful. It would depend telepathy would be

982
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: useful again, I'm going back to Firestarter. You know, telepathy

983
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: would be useful if you were able to push people

984
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: in certain into certain actions. Right, that's a dangerous thing.

985
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: I'm still thinking in terms of military capability. For sure,

986
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: I think it. I like, I kind of like psychometry,

987
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: but maybe that's too much.

988
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 6: What is that one again?

989
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 3: That's where you touch things and you know what happened

990
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: in the past, So like you touch it a murder?

991
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, because that's kind of like telepathy.

992
00:57:59,440 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: It is.

993
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 5: You take that one, Okay, you go vibes. I'm gonna

994
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 5: go directional mind reading that is switchable. You can turn

995
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: it on or off. Then we become you guys, the

996
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 5: three of us become detectives and all we do is

997
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 5: interview subjects. So you just like touch the person, I

998
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 5: read their mind. And Noel, what are you gonna do.

999
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: Bad cop? I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do, bad cop.

1000
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 5: Just fire in your hand and you just stand there menacingly.

1001
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 4: With fire or like some sort of bludget one of

1002
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 4: those truncheon type deals.

1003
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, oh do it like Skyrima Jack

1004
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 3: honjure a blackjack or spiritual Blackjack. That's a shout out

1005
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: to our pal Dylan Fagan.

1006
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 4: I mean it almost makes me think of like what

1007
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 4: if you add, through some freak occurrence or whatever, maybe

1008
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: a past friendship, access to someone's social media account, and

1009
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: you are no longer friends with this person, but you

1010
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 4: still have that access. Wouldn't it be like really hard,

1011
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: really too tempting to not look. It's the same as

1012
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: like the power, How are you going to not use it?

1013
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: Even if you have the ability to shut it off?

1014
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 4: It seems like it would be just a really tricky,

1015
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: dangerous path to walk.

1016
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1017
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: And the problem with paths of that nature is you

1018
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: don't often realize that you should have taken a different

1019
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 3: direction right until you're very far down the path. Yeah,

1020
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: and that's another question about path dependency, which we've talked

1021
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: about in the past. Maybe some of the things that

1022
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 3: we're discussing have in some version happened already. If so,

1023
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: for now, that's the stuff they don't want you to know.

1024
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 3: I am going to have to take some time and

1025
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 3: really cogitate on this psychic power idea. But in the meantime, folks,

1026
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: we want to hear from you, what are the coolest

1027
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 3: psychic powers? What would be your suite of powers? If

1028
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 3: you want to do some really good character creation, give

1029
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 3: yourself a caveat too, you know what I mean. That's

1030
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: what makes people heroic is having some you know, like

1031
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: an achilles heel. You can read all the thoughts, but

1032
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: you can't speak all the languages. Right now, make it interesting.

1033
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,400
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1034
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,959
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1035
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1036
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1037
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1049
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1050
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:01,800
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1051
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1052
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1054
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1056
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1057
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