1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: What's happening? And we's happening? What's happening? You are now 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: tuned into another episode of the Kangster Chronicles podcast. Now, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: unfortunately I don't got none of my dogs here today, 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: but I got another one of my dogs from Instern Michigan, 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: as Jay from the Connected Experience podcast. What's going on? 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: What's going on? What's up? Still? How you doing to day? 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm just killing man another day in southern Study, California. Man, 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: I know you out there freezing your balls off, dog 9 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: right now? Right? Yeah, it's cold out here. Man, it's 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: cold out here. But you know I love a winner, 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: so it's it's cool with me. Well, I'm gonna tell 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: you what, bro. I turned my heat on last night 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: and it was only sixty nine degrees and I thought 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: about you. I said, it's cold. It's cold here, man, 15 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: let me turn the heat up. But then I thought 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: about you. I said, Man, let me stop being ungrateful. Man. 17 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you, man, I love every guest 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: that comes on this show. Man. I appreciate them. Man, 19 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: But tonight today I'm feeling like a little kid again, man, 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: because I remember in Northeast Ohio, Man, when that hip 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: hop bug first bait me. You know, it was an 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: area was once upon a time when it wasn't fifty 23 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: million rappers. Dog, it wasn't no streaming services yet. The 24 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: way you heard music was via tapes that just circulated 25 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: to the hood, and everybody had a cousin. You know, 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: you're from Michigan, I'm from Ohio. Originally everybody got a 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: cousins from New York or somebody from New York coming 28 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: down with the tapes and the new songs, right, That's 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: how we got familiar with the new music. But I 30 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: remember one night man rolling with my homeboys in the bucket. 31 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: We gotta tape man um catting and caress one man 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: for the bridges over. Everybody was Juice Crew fans back 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: then we have a pivotal part of the boogie down 34 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: productions or to beat down posse. Sometimes they were to 35 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: beat down posse and correct unfortunately. Yeah, you know, depending 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: on the situation. And I heard this man he said, 37 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: my brother Kenny Parker, my other brother, I see you 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: was much darker. And that's always study lyrics. Man, who 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: was Kenny Parker? You start studying people. We have Kenny 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: Parker in the house and like DJ Kenny Parker, d 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: D J Kenny Parker. Yes, sir, how you don't man, 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: that's good man. We blessed the half you man. Now 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: I want to hop straight into it. Let's go first 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: of all, man, dudes are some big shoes to field. Man. 45 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: You care us once little brother? Right, yes, you're his 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: little brother really ten months apart though, so you know 47 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: we I'm his younger brother, but I'm we're really right 48 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: right there. Okay, So y'all should tussle from time to 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: time then yeah, yeah, my mother would. My mother wouldn't 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: let that's really you know, she wouldn't let us tussle. 51 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: But you know she said she used trying to tug 52 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: me out a little bit. Oh for sure. Well you 53 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: know that's that's caress. That's a blessed Master's presidents, you 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you've got one of the 55 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: brothers man, that's arguably one of the greatest rappers of 56 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: all time. Tell me how it all started? Thought like, 57 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: how did this all start? Did he decide that he 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: was did you decide I would start DJ? And once 59 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: he to start doing what he was doing? Not at all? 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we we came up in the we lived 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: in the Bronx and Brooklyn. Um. We actually lived in 62 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: the next building over from DJ cool Herk on the 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: day that he invented hip hop August eleventh, I believe, 64 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, fifteen twenty. Cedric Avenue was where they 65 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: had that first party and it was considered the birth 66 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: of hip hop. We lived at sixteen hundred Cedric Avenue, 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: which was the next building over from cool Herk. We 68 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: actually like we was actually like on the same block 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: as the beginning of hip hop. Although I was like 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: seven years old, so you know, when you're seven years old, 71 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: you don't be nowhere in there with adults be you 72 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean, if they're doing something. Hercane Kirk 73 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: probably was like eighteen and I was like seven, So 74 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, you don't be nowhere where eight teen year 75 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: olds are. Y'all go over there, you know what I mean. 76 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: That's how it was back in the seventies. But um, 77 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: so that's we was there for the foundation, but we 78 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: were still too young. Fast forward, like nine seventy eight, 79 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: seventy nine. We were living in Brooklyn at this point, 80 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: and then hip hop finally arrived. It took a minute 81 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: for hip hop to get from the Bronx to the 82 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 1: other boroughs in New York. But when it got to Brooklyn, 83 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: like seven and seventy nine, that's when we first started 84 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: to hear this hip hop. But it was like real 85 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: nasty tapes, you know, like you couldn't really hear it 86 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: well because people would be recording off radios, just holding 87 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: a radio up in the air, and that's how they 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: made a tape. You had a party hold a radio 89 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: in the air press record and then that's how the 90 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: tapes on around, so you can imagine it sounds terrible. 91 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: And then rapping the light hit and when Rappers Delight 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: sugar Hill Gang dropped in seventy nine, that's the change 93 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: that changed everything because then it was like, well, wait, 94 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: you can make a record. And I was like two 95 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: years old. But then my brother was like, I'm gonna 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: be a rapper and now a word from our sponsories, 97 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're out of your mind, you know what, 98 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: are you crazy? You know, there was like five rappers 99 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,239 Speaker 1: at this time, and he said he's gonna be a rapper. 100 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: So you know, I was like, I was like his 101 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: first hater. I was the one always like you can't 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: do that. That's impossible, you know, there's no way. Look 103 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: where we you know, we were the poorest family in 104 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: the whole area. Um a lot going on crime. New 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: York was the crime capital of America at that point 106 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: in the seventies. We were timid, you know, mile mannered kids. 107 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: You know, we we weren't in any kind of like 108 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: criminal activity. We used to like go to the library 109 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: on our own and play sports dude, like regular you know, 110 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: teenage stuff in this environment. And my brother was like, yeah, 111 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab the mic. I'm like, man, you are 112 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: out of your mind. But I'm glad he didn't listen 113 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: to me, because you from that point on, So from 114 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: seventy nine on, he started wanting to be an MC. 115 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: But it was it was an uphill battle. It was 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: uphill battle. So when did you get the bugs jump 117 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: on the turntables? This is years later. I mean by 118 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: the time I got on the turntables, b DP was 119 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: like four albums deep mm hmm. You know, I had 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: just graduated from college and I was just staying in 121 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: Chris's house house fresh out of school, and he's a 122 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: DJ as well. People don't know Carress one DJs as well. 123 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: He did a lot of the scratches that you've heard 124 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: over the year. Over the years on BDP albums, Caress 125 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: one did a lot of those scratches like, um, like 126 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned so on My Philosophy in the beginning, it goes, 127 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: so you're a philosopher, yes, Zick, Zicky, Yes, that's Caress 128 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: scratching that people breaking was quite a bit of scratching. Yes, 129 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: So I asked him to show me how to use 130 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: the equipment just so I can make tapes for my walkman, 131 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: you know. But at this same time, d Nice, who 132 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: was the DJ of b DP who replaced the late 133 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: scott Land rock Rest in Peace, and he was he 134 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: was killed in eight seven. D Nice replaced him and 135 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: d Nice was going solo. So it just so happens 136 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: that I was learning how to DJ right when d 137 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: Nice was going solo. So I kind of just slid. 138 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: I kind of slid right into the group. Like it 139 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: was almost like a fluke. Like one minute was like, 140 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: show me how to work these turntables, and the next 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: minute I'm in front of thousands of people. Wow, man, 142 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: that's not being a DJ. You are actually the first 143 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: DJ to appear on the Real World. Yes, I was. 144 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: I was the very first DJ to appear on a 145 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: reality show, first DJ and producer to appear on a 146 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: reality show. Shout out my home girl, heaven Be. She 147 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: was UM in real She was on Real World season one. Yes, 148 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: and we went there. We went to the studio just 149 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: working on some music, and MTV followed us to the studio. 150 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: So that was episode two. And at that time, they 151 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: didn't even know if the episodes are gonna air. It 152 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: was like an experiment. Let's throw some kids into a house, 153 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: filmed them. They didn't know what was gonna happen. We 154 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: don't even if we're gonna have materials, so they were 155 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: just following Heather and other people around. So I happened 156 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: to be part of what she was doing. So I 157 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: got on episode two, which turned out to be the 158 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: birth you know, Real World turned out to be the 159 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: birth of UM reality TV. So I kind of made 160 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: some history. I didn't even you know, I didn't even 161 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. And you don't have to be 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: at college, correct. Yes, I was a senior in college 163 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: and she was a freshman, and Um, she came in 164 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: there and she was just so hood I went to 165 00:08:54,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: uh Catholic School St. Peter's University, and in the all 166 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: years that I was there, we never even really had 167 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: a party in the dorms, like you know, you had 168 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: to get like special permission to have a party, like 169 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: in writ in writing, just to have a party. Heather 170 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: came there from the hood in Jersey and she brought 171 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: the whole hood to the dorms and they had bis 172 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: and chicken, and it was just like, yo, who is 173 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: this person. That's how I met Heather. She she brought 174 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: the whole hood to the dorms. So she was a 175 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: part of She was a part of Boogedown Productions with 176 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Yes like for a second during the Entertainment album Heathers 177 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: on that album. When I met her, she was trying 178 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: to be a rapper and I introduced her to my brother. 179 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: This is before I was even djay. I introduced her 180 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: to my brother. He took a liking to her and 181 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: they started working together and then she ended up doing 182 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: one song with him, and then she went off to 183 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: do her own things as well. That's dope. So it 184 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: was a lot of people that's fall from Boogetown productions. 185 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: Because remember Nice I remember at one time, it was 186 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: just this whole massive proof because it went just being 187 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: Caress who wanted Scott l Rock to know he got 188 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: a crew. Yeah, it was I mean, there was a 189 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: lot of people in the up in the background. But 190 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, once Scott started out as Carress one, Scott 191 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: l Rock, D Nice that was the original crew. Then 192 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: Scott passed and then d Nice Bean the DJ, and 193 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: then more people like I See You and Mrs Melody 194 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: and uh Robo Cop and all these names that you 195 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: hear me Kenny Parker and all these names. Then later 196 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: on Mad Lion and Channel Live. It's just like people 197 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: just coming in and out of the crew. But you 198 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: know that's how Chris is, like he'll try to put 199 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: people on when he can. Yeah, So I want to 200 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: go back to the beginning a little bit, like I 201 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: want to go back and to me, that was the 202 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: exciting era. So at the time, because I know Caress 203 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: was homeless, right, yes, he was home. He was in 204 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: the Homeless Shield, the fort of It, and he decided 205 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: to go to war with one of the biggest factions 206 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: at that time. You are talking about the Almighty Juice 207 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: who you're talking about King cool Ge Rap. They had 208 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: so many tragedy Kaddaffi, there was mc shan, bis Markus 209 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: Markey m was coming out with hits at Mter eight 210 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: and he decided to go at them. What was that 211 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: all about, man? And what were you doing the back row? 212 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: How did you feel during that time? Well, I was 213 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,719 Speaker 1: in college when this happened, and I hadn't spoken to 214 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: Christopher a while. He kind of disappeared. He was homeless 215 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: at the time, and I went off to school, like 216 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: we kind of had like a split. I went off 217 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: to college and he disappeared. He reappeared talking about I 218 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: got a new rap group called Boogie Down Productions, and 219 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: they're about to play my song on Red Alert on Saturday. 220 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: And back in those days, there was no rap on 221 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: the radio at all. Maybe one or two songs might 222 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: be on the radio, and everything else was on the 223 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: mixed shows. So you might have like in New York, 224 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: you might have LLL COO J or run DMC. That's said, 225 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: everything else was in on the radio. So Red Alert 226 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: was like if he played your record, you you made 227 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: it to us, like a Red Alert played your record, 228 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: You're a star. So he was like, Red Alert's gonna 229 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: play my record on Saturday. I'm like, what the Red 230 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: Alert's gonna play your song? What are you talking about? 231 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: And that's kind of relationship we have. I'm always going 232 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: at him about So I never believed nothing. You know, 233 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: it took me a while to like believe that this 234 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: was real. So he said, Okay, they're gonna play my 235 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: song tonight. So I was like, okay, I'll listen. So 236 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: I heard they played to South Bronx South South Bronx 237 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: for the very first time. So I'm listening, like, Yo, 238 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: this song is dope. But it sounds like you're going 239 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: to mc shan, you know, he's he's he didn't say 240 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: his name, but he's he's talking about, you know, hip 241 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: hop and starting to Queen's Bridge and if you come 242 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: to the Bronx you might get shot. Like he's talking reckless, 243 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: like in eighty six, this was reckless talk on a record, 244 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: and he's talking about m c shan, who had a 245 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: big hit called The Bridge. Apparently mc shan had a 246 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: big hit called The Bridge produced by Molly maull right, 247 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: and this was a big record in New York. And 248 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: he talked about Queen's Bridge projects being the place to be. 249 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: So Carris wanted Scott l Roc wanted to be down 250 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: with the Juice Crew. That's how it all started. They 251 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: came to the studio to meet Mr Magic, who was 252 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: on the radio. He was like the equivalent of Red 253 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Alert but on another station, WBLS did that the Juice 254 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Crew had. He wanted to be down with the Juice Crew. 255 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: Him and Scott Larrock came with their demo. Mr Magic, 256 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: we please listen to our demo. Magic was like, this 257 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: is terrible. Y'all are bums. You'll never be as good 258 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: as mc shan. Get out, threw them out of the studio, 259 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: are you I was not there for that. This is 260 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: what he told me later because that sounds wrong. That 261 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: was very disrespectful. So I didn't get all this yet. 262 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: I just heard the South Bronxe. I had to get 263 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: the backstory after I heard the record. So you know, 264 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: him and Scott, they're they're on the train riding back 265 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: to the Bronx to New York. Everybody's on the train. 266 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: Nobody had nobody had a car. No rife in the 267 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: eighties had a car unless you were making money. So, um, 268 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: they're on the train, they're riding back, and Chris is 269 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: like he said, I'm not betting the sham. I'm gonna 270 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: show him. I'm going at sham. You know that. That 271 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: that motivated him, so he made a record called the 272 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: South Bronx saying basically, f Queensbridge Yar didn't start nothing. 273 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: Hip hop started in the Bronx and this is how 274 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: it goes. So now when I heard this record and 275 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm like you this ship, I immediately called him. I'm 276 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: like yo, because I liked the mc shan, I like 277 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: the Juice Crew. At this point, Kane Kane wasn't out 278 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: yet and and g g Rap g Rap might not 279 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: even have been out because he had it's a demo, 280 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: but that might have not even have been out yet. 281 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: The Juice Crew was was Bismarcki Rocks and Shantey mc shan, 282 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: Molly Mall was was at that point was the Beef 283 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: and Kane didn't come to a little bit later on 284 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: like yeah, like maybe eighty seven they were then, Yeah, 285 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: they were around, but they weren't like official, like if 286 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: you had to said Big Daddy Cane and eighty six, 287 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: people like you know, who's Kane. You know he was there, 288 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: but he wasn't like out yet. BIZ didn't bring him 289 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: out yet. So when I heard the record, I'm like, Yo, 290 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like you did Ship. He was like yeah, 291 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: like real call like yeah, and I I wondered. I 292 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: was like, yo, Shan is dope. I said it too, 293 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: just like like yo, Ship is dope. Man, Like are 294 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: you sure? He was like he's I And I'm like, 295 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: I like, Shi, it is not I shied to me 296 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: was dope. So I'm like, well, you know, I'm happy 297 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: you got a record out. I love your record, but 298 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, he one, you know they're gonna come. So 299 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: that was really my opinion, like you know they're coming, 300 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I didn't believe, like you know, 301 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: this is my brother, you know. I'm like, you know, 302 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: we used to argue over socks, you know what I mean. 303 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: Now you got a record out going against the biggest 304 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: crew in New York. I didn't believe that he could. 305 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even believe he made a record. I forget 306 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: forget battling. I could even believe he had a record out. 307 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: So um. Then Shan answered the South Bronx with a 308 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: record called Kill That Noise, and he was going South Bronx, 309 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: Kill that Noise and they was playing it Molly mar 310 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: was playing it on the radio and I was like, ah, man, 311 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: I knew it, like I thought it was the end 312 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: of his career, like I told you not to me SpeI, 313 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: And this is what I'm saying to him, like for 314 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: a bead, I told you not to mess with Shin. 315 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: I told you like that. This is what I'm saying 316 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: to him like an idiot. And then and then when 317 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: he pressed play on the Bridge is Over? What did 318 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: you think? Then? Well, how he told When I'm saying 319 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: to him, I told you not to mess with Shan, 320 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: he said, I got the answer, And I'm like, what 321 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: do you mean you got the answer? He just made 322 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: the record a week ago. He's like, I got the answer. 323 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is he he said, It's called the 324 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: Bridge is Over? And I'm like, the bridge is over? 325 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: How does he go? Like, I'm talking to like that, 326 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: like the bridges over? How does it go? And he says, well, 327 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: it has a reggae baseline, you know, it's like Doom 328 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: Doom do do Doom Doom Doom do them. I'm like, oh, 329 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: that's whack, I said. But but y'all was introduced to 330 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: reggae pretty early. You always actually introduced to Bob Marley 331 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: pretty early. So when he said it had the reggae baseline, 332 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: that kind of threw you for a loop because that 333 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: hadn't even been that hadn't happened in rap yet at 334 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: that point in rap reggae music, which was huge in 335 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: New York, but and hip hop was completely separate, like 336 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: all of the genres were separate. R and B, rock, reggae, 337 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: and and hip hop was all completely separate. They didn't 338 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: play the music in the club together, was separate. So 339 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: run d m C came with um walked this way 340 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: and they merged rock and rap together. And then here 341 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: comes Caress merging reggae and hip hop because of our 342 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: our background. But at the time when he said this 343 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: is eighty six. At the time when he's saying this 344 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: is like this, dude, just thisched you and you're gonna 345 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: do a reggae record, Like what do you like? I'm like, 346 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: you know, what are you talking that? The dude, dude, dude, 347 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: like this is this You're You're over This is how 348 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking to He laughing, he's laughing at me, and 349 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: he goes, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do the record 350 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: tonight at this club called Union Square. Just coming to 351 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: the Union Square. I'm gonna do the record tonight, so 352 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, I'll come check it out. You know. 353 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: So we got to Union Square. It was packed. They're performing, 354 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: They're throwing South Bronx. People in the crowd started going 355 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: kill that noise, Kill that noise. I'm like, ah, I 356 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: told you, I knew this. So Chris is going, what 357 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: kill that noise? Say it louder, loud. He starts aging 358 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: like say it louder, and I'm like, what is he doing. 359 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: He's like loud to kill that noise. They're like, kill 360 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: that noise. He stops the music, he says, hit it Scott, 361 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: and he throws on his beat. It is the first 362 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: time we're all hearing it in the club, and you know, 363 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: it comes on Doom Doom Do Do Doom Doom Doom 364 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: Do with the drums, and I'm like oh, but everybody's quiet, 365 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: like oh, and then he goes the bridges over, the 366 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: bridges over, b bye bye. Everybody just started screwball ball, 367 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: people just going nuts. That's how I heard it for 368 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: the first time. And I want to say that the 369 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: same feelings that you had for shame. That's we was 370 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: in Ohio talking about We were talking about this like 371 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: it was professional wrestling and something like, but I don't 372 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: know because they might get such a section they make 373 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: it do this. But when I heard that, I said, man, 374 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: it's over cars one Christian. It was that night because 375 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: no one had ever said anyone's name like that before 376 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: in a record, like you know, people would is only 377 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: good for yeah and Molly Mall sucking and you ain't 378 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: nothing in b DP and whack. I'm like yo, like 379 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: the first Yeah, but no one had ever done it before, 380 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: so it was even more disrespectful. Like he's talking about 381 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: people that everybody know Mr Magic and Molly Mall on 382 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: the radio with the biggest thing on the radio. This 383 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: is like they're like the biggest shows like Red Alert 384 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: and and and and Mally Marl. They went in competition 385 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: to the two radio stations, but this is a huge station. 386 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: He said. Mr Magic's mouth is used for socking us in. 387 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: They wasn't even really cursing on records like that. So 388 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: for him, how did you make it out the club 389 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: that night? Like because I was in a coma, I 390 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: was screaming so loud. I don't even remember. I'm like, yo, 391 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: because it's like it's two things. You're getting this dude 392 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: caress One is ridiculous, and I'm getting that's my brother. 393 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I'm getting hit with two 394 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: things at one time. My brother is up there and 395 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: this guy caress One is ridiculous, you know what I mean. 396 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: So I don't even know how I left the club. 397 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: They might have reeled me. I don't. Everybody would scream. 398 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: You gotta said. People was losing it because nobody had 399 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: even really chatted in like a reggae style like the 400 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: way he was doing it, you know, and he's that 401 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: that that that that that that that that that that 402 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: at that time, nobody had did that before. So everything 403 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: was hitting. You knew he was kind of like the 404 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: first evolution to REP. I was saying, he was the 405 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: first evolution in hip hop because when he came with 406 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: the please come on the place, what I heard that? 407 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: I said, Oh my god, that's Everybody was like what 408 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: is he said? Yeah? Did he need out? He did 409 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: out of day and like what what is this? Like? 410 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: You know, and you're getting I was getting it live 411 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: and then you know, they gave Red Alert a copy 412 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: of the record. So the following week, Red Alert plays 413 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: the record on the radio like for fifteen minutes straight. 414 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: You know, he's just he just let his whole show 415 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 1: be the bridge is over. You just kept starting from 416 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: the beginning, from the beginning, from the beginning. So you 417 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: just how you're hearing you like this is you knew 418 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: you knew that this was to be something different. You 419 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: knew it. And so this was before Cares. What was 420 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: he on Was he on Sleeping Bad Records at the time. 421 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: Now he was on b Boy Records. Um, this was 422 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: like the first there was an independent This is the 423 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: first time they had ever done rap records. They used 424 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: to make porn movies and they made they were doing 425 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: like they put out like some independent records, and it 426 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: was making porn movies in the back like Porne, New York. 427 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: Yeah before all Kelly is I mean they Callie got 428 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: it Locked. But um, yeah, they was making porn and 429 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, Chris and Scott was looking for a record 430 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: deal and they looked in like the paper and saw 431 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: be Boy Records making red and they just went down 432 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: there with South Bronx and Bridges over these like we'll 433 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: put it out. What do we have to lose and 434 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: one of them that record did. What happened they wounded 435 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: up getting on that record ridiculously jerked. I mean from 436 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: the stories Chris told me, they made no money, zero, 437 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: none of it they made they when they did South Bronx. 438 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: South Bronx in New York was on regular rotation on 439 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: the radio every day. Was that big because you know 440 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: the Bronx ment crazy. When I record came out, um 441 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: and the bridge is over. When they got their check 442 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: for the two records combined, Chris told me it was 443 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars for both records combined to split with 444 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: Scott l Rock and D Night, So it's two fifty 445 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: and two fifty and then you break off D Nice 446 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: And that's so Chris was really ready to quit. He 447 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: was like, I'm done, and Scott was like, no, no, no, 448 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: let's put out the Criminal Minded album anyway. And they 449 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: knew they was gonna get jerked. And they still like, 450 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna put this out and make a name for 451 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: ourselves and then we can get a better deal. So 452 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: when they they put out the Criminal Minded album, they 453 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: knew they wasn't gonna get any money. This is how 454 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: Chris explained it to me. So they was jerked from 455 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: the beginning. So simultaneously though you are actually in college 456 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: on a basketball scholarship while all of this is happening, right, 457 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: So explain how this is affecting your life because he 458 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: shout you out in the big the first rap shout out, 459 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: and now you still playing basketball, Like, how is how 460 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: is you? Do you have NBA aspirations? Is the NBA 461 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: really a thing? Or you just strictly going to get 462 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: an education at that time? At that time, you know, 463 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: every basketball player dreams of going to the league. I 464 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: mean you know that that's everyone's dream, only like you know, 465 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: point zero zero zero percent of basketball players even make 466 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: it to the league. But at that time, I'm playing 467 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: college basketball. I'm dreaming of going to the league. But 468 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: I was a regular college student. You know, when Criminal 469 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: Minded album came out, which was huge in New York's it, 470 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: I didn't really tell that many people, like, you know, 471 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: that's my brother, but you know, I you know, people 472 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: in the campus knew, but it wasn't that big a deal. 473 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: It was the next album when he dropped my philosophy 474 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: and he said, my brother's name is Kenny. That's Kenny Parker, 475 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: my other brother, I see you as much darker and 476 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: I had no idea he was gonna say that. So 477 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: I heard it record on the radio just like everybody else, 478 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 1: like yo, And from that point on my life changed. 479 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: The next instantaneously, like the next day, I was like 480 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: a star walking around. People is giving me demo tapes 481 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: and where is your brother? And oh my god, can 482 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: we take a picture? And all of this stuff and 483 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a regular college student, you know what 484 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean? Like I didn't. I didn't ask for the 485 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: shout out, but it changed my life. Let me ask 486 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: you a question that you have a girlfriend at the time, Yes, 487 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: I'll be that makes the problems for you. Didn't, Yeah, 488 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: but it was so I was trying to let me 489 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: with me, say how can I put this? I was 490 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: so regular that it took a minute for all of 491 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: this to really hit me because people people that didn't 492 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: even speak to me on campus and all of a 493 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: sudden like yo, what's up? Like you know what I mean? 494 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: It hit me was almost awkward because I'm like, I 495 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: didn't do anything right and you actually played basketball, so yeah, yeah, 496 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: I was on the team and and and people from 497 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: the opposing team. We're coming up to me on the 498 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: layup line, going yo or U V Kenny Parker. I'm like, yeah, 499 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: we're about to play a game, like you know what 500 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Like I'm walking like were you know I'm 501 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: supposed to not like you, like you know, we're about 502 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: to go to war on the court and you're sitting 503 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: there talking to me before the game. It was just 504 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: it was just so odd, but it was incredible that 505 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: it changed my life completely. Yeah, so now let's fast 506 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: forward a little bit. You become the the fact that 507 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: DJ for b DP, right, there are so many people 508 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 1: to moments did he have that he had? Now you 509 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: got to deal with the Boy Records. I assume you 510 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: get out of that, and Jove comes into the picture. Yes. Eight, 511 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: right after the Criminal Minded album, Scott was killed in 512 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: the Bronx and they were about to sign a deal 513 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: with a big major label. And when Scott was killed, 514 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: the label was like, well b DP is over, Scott 515 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: l Rock is dead, and which I always thought was 516 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: odd because it's like, well, the guy who wrote all 517 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: the rhymes is right staying it right there. But they 518 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: were like, no, we don't want to sign b DP. 519 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: Anymore because Scott's going but Jive Records was like, we'll 520 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: take Caress one, We'll take you know what I'm saying. 521 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: So he signed to Jive and then um I came along. 522 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: Two albums after that, I came along, Like eighty nine 523 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: was when I became the DJ, right like the beginning 524 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: of ninety. Well, you were DJ with you were a 525 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: hip hop DJ with the Kree in psychology. Yes, I 526 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: graduated from college with a bachelor's degree in psychology and 527 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: months later I was a DJ for b DP. I 528 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: had no idea that was you can't even imagine. I 529 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: didn't even know how to DJ. Maybe three or four 530 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: months earlier, I was just like, can you show me 531 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: how to work the turntable so I can make a tape? 532 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: That's that was my dream, just to make a tape 533 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: for my walk man. Four months later, I'm gonna toward 534 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: thousands of people every night. Now do you think that 535 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: came so naturally? Because how close that Jew and k 536 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: R has actually are, Because with y'all being ten months apart, 537 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: y'all actually share the same age at one point. That's 538 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: called Irish twins. So like, yeah, yeah, I heard you 539 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: say at some point, like you actually introduced him to 540 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: basketball into all the things that y'all did as kids. 541 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: So the time this come along, y'all already got like 542 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: a one to punch. Do you think that's why DJ 543 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: and came so easy to you? Well, I don't know. 544 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean when we were kids, actually I was really 545 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: the lead growing up. You know, Chris really followed what 546 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: I did. Like if I wanted to play ball, he 547 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: played ball. We played a game called Skelly in the street. 548 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: If I played scaly, he played Skelly. All of our 549 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: friends were my friends. Even the guys he made his 550 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: first tape with was guys I used to deliver newspapers with. 551 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 1: It's when hip hop happened that it switched and he 552 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: became like the lead. But um, I report DJ and 553 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 1: I think I think me, me being his brother had 554 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: a huge part of me becoming a DJ. I mean, 555 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm right there, like I'm practically living at his house 556 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: and he needs a DJ. Who better than my brother 557 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: who's right there, you know, So he's basically training me. 558 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: He was training me to DJ four b DP is 559 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: what it was like. He trained me to DJ for him. 560 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: This is how he liked the records to come on. 561 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: This is what I need you to do. So that 562 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: was like my training. But yeah, I think our relationship 563 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: had a huge part to do it. But let me 564 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: ask you this, Kenny, because I've left Cleveland, Ohio to 565 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: come out here to play football of the jugo, because 566 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have grates come out to high school. So 567 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: I kicked California. I'm seventeen years old and I come 568 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: out here. Man, I'm brand new. And every house party, 569 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: we used to have house parties because they called me Ohio, 570 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: I was to do from Ohio, and I swear at 571 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: one point every other record that came on was either E. P. M. 572 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: D Record or care as One record. Did you realize 573 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: how big you guys were here on the West Coast? 574 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: Not at first. Um. I went on a tour with 575 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: my brother when his second album came out. I never, 576 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, been really out of state that much other 577 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: than to play ball, and we went to Ohio. He 578 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: did a show in Ohio and um in an arena 579 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: twenty thousand, I forgot what forgot? The big arena that 580 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: was in o Hire with the Cleveland Cavaliers play whatever 581 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: that was, and um can everybody knew all the words 582 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: to the song from the album. I couldn't believe it, 583 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 1: like y'all not from New York. Like in my mind, 584 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: if you're not from New York, you're not gonna be 585 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: up on this. That's how I'm thinking. And you get 586 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: the Ohio and the whole arena knows all the words 587 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: to the song. I'm bugging like, yo, I can't believe 588 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: my brother is really doing it like this because you know, 589 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm such a skeptic. I didn't believe all the way 590 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: up you know the Bridges. I I still because even 591 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: when he made the Bridges over he told me he 592 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: was gonna do an album, I still didn't believe you're 593 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: gonna do a real album. Like I still didn't believe. 594 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, it's gonna be called criminal minded. I'm like, okay, 595 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: like your your face is gonna be on the cover 596 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: like a real cassette. This is how I'm talking to 597 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: like like like a real cassette like that you could play. 598 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, like what are you talk like? 599 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: I still you know what I mean, Like I couldn't 600 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: believe that my brother is doing it, So I didn't 601 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: in l A the first time we came to l 602 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: A UM and I got to see you know, l 603 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: A people singing all of through the words. It's just 604 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: it's just shocking, man. You know in l a was 605 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: like a whole other vibe coming from New York. You know, 606 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: y'all had like, you know, colors and all that stuff. 607 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Like when you know, Iced Tea was talking about colors 608 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: and we're like, what are you talking about colors? You 609 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: know the yeah, crazy, but it was crazy back then 610 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: in New York. We we had no ideas like colors. 611 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: You know Iced when Iced Tea set colors, I had 612 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: no idea what he was talking about? Colors? What are 613 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: you what are you talking about? I am a psychopath 614 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: walking is at night? The psycho nightmare walking psychopath talking? Yeah? Yeah, 615 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: I was like, what is he talking about? Now? You 616 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: know when we got when we got to UM Los 617 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Angeles and we did I think we did a show 618 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: and it was the show was split down the middle 619 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: and one side was red and like one side was blue, 620 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: split right down the middle in the concert and I'm like, yo, 621 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: like this is real, Like you know you you we 622 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: only sort of video, but when you get out there, 623 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, l A's this y'all. Y'all really ship 624 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: out here, and but they knew all the words to 625 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: the songs everything. Yeah, Because I'm gonna tell you no, 626 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: how did it self destruction come about? Because to this 627 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:40,839 Speaker 1: day that it was a very important record, extremely um 628 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: this I'm telling you how Caress told me because at 629 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: this point when this record came out, I was still 630 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 1: in school. I was about to graduate, but I was 631 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: still in school. UM. At one of his concerts in 632 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: New York, uh concert going, got got killed at the concert. 633 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: Somebody stabbed somebody and he passed unfortunately, which which sparked 634 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: the And Chris had a song called Stop the Violence 635 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: that was on his BA All Means Necessary album, So 636 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: that sparked that the killing and the song Stopped the 637 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: Violence sparked the whole idea like, yeah, we should do 638 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: a whole song like we Are the World. It's gonna 639 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: be like the we Are the World UM version in 640 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: hip hop. And since Chris was knew everybody, he was 641 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: one of the few guys that could help organizers. So 642 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: he brought you know d Nice did the beat, shout 643 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: out the d Nice on the production, and you know 644 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: BDP members were on there. And then He brought people 645 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: that he knew that they can get on the record, 646 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: Public Enemy, Heavy, d M C. Lights, that's a sonic, 647 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: Dougie Fresh. These are all his friends, you know what 648 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: I mean. So, and that was a very important record. 649 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: It went gold. All the proceeds went to I think 650 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: it was the National Urban League. I think the National 651 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: Urban League. All the proceeds went to the herb the Leaks. 652 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: It was a very important record at the time because 653 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: it layter to um on the West Coast is doing 654 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: something similar with we all in the same game. We're 655 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: all in the same game. And to me, those were 656 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: two people to records because for the first time you 657 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: had hip hop actually speaking up against violence. And I 658 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: think today I'm waiting to see which one of these 659 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: young cats go be the next iteration of that to 660 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: put something out, because it's getting crazy right now, it 661 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: really is. And you know, I don't know if these 662 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 1: young dudes expressed themselves in music the way we did. 663 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: It seems like everything for them is online like Twitter 664 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: or Instagram, and the music is just for fun. Like 665 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: like when we were coming up, we had no way 666 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: to express ourselves period. So you know, the police, you know, 667 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: did something to you what you're gonna do, and then 668 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna make a record fuck the police. That was 669 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: the only way to express yourself. Or if we say, 670 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, stop the violence, the only way to express 671 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: say yourself was to make a song. These days, these 672 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: these younger artists have so many ways to get their 673 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: point across. I don't even know if they think, like 674 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,720 Speaker 1: I should make a record about this. They probably should, 675 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: but I think they're more like, I'm gonna make a tweet, 676 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, to my having millions of people that follow me, 677 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: and they do it that way. Now you're coming from 678 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: hip hop kind of like FROMMS Genesis. You're around, you know, 679 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: to see it growing, to the moti dollar international industry, 680 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: to the deals today, and I'm not one of the 681 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: mold cast to sit down, not what the youngsters is doing. 682 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: I like some of this stuff. I think changes just 683 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: what the deal is a change it is, yes, you know, 684 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: because I remember when my parents looked at me crazy 685 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: when I came with the you know, dressing a certain way, 686 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: like what do you wear like? You know, they didn't 687 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: understand the same way. I look at some of these 688 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: kids and they you know, tight skinny jeans, one and 689 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: they got the thing. But I'm like, that's the era. 690 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: My time has came and going, So I kind of 691 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: I can sit back in the appreciate the young you know. 692 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: But you guys had a moment and you knew this 693 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: was coming to work. Back then, if you did somebody 694 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: you did so much worry about pistol play. But she 695 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: was gonna get stepped to yes. You was gonna get 696 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: stepped to yes. And there was a group at one 697 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: time that had the number one song in the country, 698 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: and I swore I hated that record because everybody out 699 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: they was playing that record anywhere, and it just was 700 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: the softest record in the world to me. You know, 701 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,239 Speaker 1: I was a football player at the time and I 702 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: hated anything that was soft. You know, my turn that 703 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: would be Caress one. M w A h t up. 704 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: There some violent stuff, right, And they came with that 705 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 1: record with the thumb stump. We made Caress one go 706 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 1: off on soft as PM dumb. Well, you know I 707 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: had talked about this on my YouTube channel. You know. 708 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: It was a build up of things, you know, it 709 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: was just like things were building. We have we were 710 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: having some problems with some groups and some other groups 711 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: and some some confrontations came out of that. You know, 712 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to go too deep into it, but 713 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, a little little skirt things happened out of that. 714 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: And then P. M Down allegedly comes into magazine and says, 715 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: n way, ain't really talking about nothing. Public Enemy is 716 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: making mountains out of mole hills and carressed one. He 717 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: calls himself a teacher, a teacher of what. It's allegedly 718 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: what this dude is saying because the three artist groups 719 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: in the right, because he had the number one record 720 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: in the country did when he's saying this set a 721 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: drift of memory. Bliss was the number one song on 722 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: the pop chart. It was the number one song in America. 723 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: So I guess he was feeling like, I'm that dude. 724 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what he was thinking, but 725 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: when he said this, and I have been at that 726 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: moment to find a flyer to a party with a 727 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: bunch of groups, and PM Doing was on on the flyer, 728 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: So you instigated the kind of yeah, because I took 729 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: the flyer to Chris and I said, Yo, PM Doing 730 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: is performing at this party, and the goal was to 731 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: go there and battle him. And we're supposed to go 732 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: as a battle. Chris was gonna step to him. You know, 733 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: you called me, you don't know what I'm gonna teacher 734 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: of I'm gonna show you. You said you're an mc 735 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,959 Speaker 1: less battle. That was the mindset going there. But of course, 736 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: when you're with you know, other people, things could go, Hey, 737 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: WHI are real quick, you know what I mean? And 738 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: and and some of the guys that we were with, 739 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna how can I say this took matters into 740 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: their own hands. They were not rappers. They were just 741 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: there and you know, when it's on, it's on, you 742 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean. We had no idea that it 743 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,520 Speaker 1: was gonna turn in the way to turn. But dudes 744 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: rushed the stage and somebody caught PM down pushed them off. 745 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: I threw on you know, I was in the DJ 746 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: booth ready for a battle, you know what I mean. 747 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: I thought, you know, ready for like records. But I 748 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: had still number one song we had called him still 749 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,439 Speaker 1: number one queued up. So when they pushed PM doing 750 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: off the stage, I dropped them still number one and 751 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: the place just went to the ceiling. Man, they just 752 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: everybody lost their minds in the whole place, like I've 753 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: never seen anything like it before, since that place was 754 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:41,400 Speaker 1: savage at that point. How hard was the stage? Bro uh? 755 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: I would say the height of a basketball room maybe 756 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 1: with the rim on the floor. Yeah, so the dude 757 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: get hurt? Was he really hurt from it PM doing? 758 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 1: I don't know how hurt he was, but I saw 759 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: him afterwards walking around on the floor. So he he 760 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: got up, so he wasn't like his legs were broken 761 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: or anything when he got up and was walking around, 762 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: but he was a little you know, disorientated because he 763 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: had no idea this was coming, because you know, he's 764 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: on stage rapping and somebody just walked right up to 765 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: you and grabs the microphone from your hand, so he's 766 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: probably like, you know, what the hell's going on? Then 767 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 1: boom boom, he's out into the crowd. It happened that fast, 768 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: like Chris grabbed the mic and somebody else just came 769 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: boom boom boom, and he's out in the crowd. So 770 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: he probably was like, what the hell is this? And 771 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: then music BDP music comes on and the whole crowd 772 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: is jumping, go go go. It was just he probably 773 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: is like, what the hell has happened? And that was 774 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: kind of the beginning of the end for them because 775 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: it seemed like they fell off the face of the 776 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,920 Speaker 1: earth after that man that he was really a moment 777 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: for MC for man ever, yeah, it was. It was 778 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: a bad moment um. We got in a lot of 779 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: trouble for that too. I have to say, did he 780 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: have a press charge anything? He never has charges. But 781 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: the backlash from the media was was really bad. You know, 782 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: carris One made self destruction and how you gonna turn 783 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,400 Speaker 1: around and push this guy off the stage? And you know, 784 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 1: people that weren't there were saying like carris One didn 785 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: he punched him in the face and he picked them 786 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: up in the air. You know, people know how people 787 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: start just adding first heard somebody told me some guy 788 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: you know you always got that one guy. I was 789 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: there right right. He punched him in the face and 790 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: the dude flew off the stakes and I was like, whoa. 791 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: We just added to the licks and the carros One 792 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: because see, I ain't gonna get into it too much. 793 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: But he wasn't the only one that cut Chris red 794 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: before right for what I hear, because you would hear 795 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 1: little shots being took him. What was going on with Carris. 796 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: One of its cute though, because I would hear these 797 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: little barbs being passed back and forth over the years. 798 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: They never really turned enough, but they would do little 799 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: stuff like on the West Side, um not West Side 800 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: slogan health from the West Side Connection album. They did 801 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: your MC team you know you rule hip hop? You 802 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: know you rule hip hop? Do you think how the 803 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: West Coast rock nicking? What was killing us? One thinking? 804 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: When you heard all this stuff man coming, all that 805 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 1: stuff coming from ice Cube. Well, I don't let me 806 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,319 Speaker 1: let me say what I know because I don't want 807 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: to speak too much for Chris. You know, he'd have 808 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: to speak for himself. I know that at the time 809 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: when ice Cube said or in America's most wanted some 810 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: rappers are heaven sent, but self destruction. Don't pay the 811 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:43,280 Speaker 1: fucking ring that line, we took that as a diss 812 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 1: um and you know, some of our apparently something people 813 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: that we know reached out to ice Cube and ice 814 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: Cube said that he was not that was not a 815 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: dis like we We took it, you know, not what 816 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 1: he meant. He meant something else completely. I I don't 817 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,319 Speaker 1: know what you could possibly mean by that, but I'm 818 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: not an m C and you know that's you know, 819 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,440 Speaker 1: like I said, General's talked to General so caressed when 820 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: the ice Cube that's they smoothed it out. They spoke, 821 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say you know what he said. 822 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 1: But to me, Kenny Parker speaking, I have no idea 823 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: how self destruction don't pay the fucking run. I don't 824 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: see how that's not a dis to me. But ice 825 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 1: Cube said it wasn't and him and Chris spoke and 826 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 1: they smoothed it out. Now the West Side Connection partner, 827 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: she's saying, I heard about that, But I don't know 828 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,000 Speaker 1: what Chris thought of that. I don't know, because he 829 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: could have just been bigger. I don't I don't know. 830 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: I can't know what I'm thinking yours man. I'm glad 831 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't, no beef. I think it's a thing to 832 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: where people subconsciously as a rapper. I think every rapper 833 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: thinks at some point that maybe I can get myself 834 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: into a battle of words kids. But I would tell 835 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: you this, I don't know if you remember this. You 836 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,439 Speaker 1: remember Prince had a about here called slink Ransling. Yes, 837 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,880 Speaker 1: it was three levels. I went there one like to 838 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,160 Speaker 1: watch karras one before and I saw karras One go 839 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: to the hip hop level wreck ship. He went to 840 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: this other little pop weird level rick ship, like literally 841 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,439 Speaker 1: on every floor over the house ship. I'm twinning over 842 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: the house ship didn't go to the reggae floor because 843 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: they was introduced to reggae as kids. But you really 844 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: like it though, right, Yeah? When when we we had 845 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,840 Speaker 1: a step father who was Jamaican, and he brought Bob 846 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: Marley album to the house. This isn't like seventy four, 847 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,919 Speaker 1: and He's like, this guy, Bob Marley is gonna be big. 848 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: He's the biggest thing in Jamaica. He's gonna be big. 849 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,880 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't care about this reggae music. 850 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,839 Speaker 1: Like I like Michael Jackson, you know, the Commodores, you know, 851 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: whoever was out dying of the house then. Always I 852 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: was always like this is whack. Always, Um, so I 853 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,880 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to hear Bob Molly. But my brother loved 854 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: it for some reason. He just loved it to the 855 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: point where, um, he scraped together his coins and brought 856 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: the next Bob Morley album that came out, Rostermond Vibration. 857 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,320 Speaker 1: Chris actually brought that we was so poor, and Chris 858 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,320 Speaker 1: had got a job sweeping the front of the building. 859 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: One day, the super let him sleep in front of 860 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,120 Speaker 1: the building. He made like eight dollars, which to us 861 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,919 Speaker 1: was like eight million, and he took the whole eight 862 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: dollars and brought up Bob Molly album. I'm like, what 863 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: are you crazy? We could have brought candy, you know, 864 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: we could have you know, eight dollars for like we 865 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 1: like nine years old. We could have been tricking, you 866 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Eight dollars and you brought up 867 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 1: Bob Molly album. Are you crazy? But he loved the reggae. 868 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,160 Speaker 1: He he loved it and you can see later on 869 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,080 Speaker 1: his influence. Um m hmm exactly. So I do know 870 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: you have some production credits out there too. You started producing? 871 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: How did that come about? Because that's never progression from DJ? Yes, 872 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: um every d What happened was, well, what happened was 873 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,839 Speaker 1: I'm djaying and I'm at Chris's house and all of 874 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,520 Speaker 1: his records. He had like an extensive record collection there. 875 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: So I'm starting to go through his stuff, digging through 876 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 1: all his records, and I'm starting to see some of 877 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: the records that he used that he sampled to make songs. 878 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: So I'm listening and I'm like, oh, so that's how 879 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,799 Speaker 1: they do it. They sample from here, and they take 880 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: bits and pieces of records and they make records. So 881 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm hearing what the record was and what Chris 882 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: did with the records. I'm like, okay, so that that's 883 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,399 Speaker 1: like a seed, and like, I want to start doing this, 884 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: you know. So Chris was like, uh, you wanna be 885 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: you want to be a producer here, and he gave 886 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: me an SP twelve hundred drum machine, which at the 887 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: time was two thousand dollars for SP two hundreds and 888 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: not that many people had one. I mean, that's a 889 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,440 Speaker 1: lot of money today, but this is like dollars is 890 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,319 Speaker 1: like four or five thousand now. Yeah. So he gave 891 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 1: me an SP twelve hundred and the book, he said, 892 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: his instruction book, here's the drum machine go. And I 893 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: spent a whole year digging for records, sampling, learning how 894 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: to work the machine. And when I finally, you know, 895 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: learned how to do stuff, Chris is working on his 896 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,719 Speaker 1: album Sex and Violence. So he came back to me like, Okay, 897 00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 1: what do you guys like a homeworkers signing like you 898 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,959 Speaker 1: had this machine for a year, what do you got? 899 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,120 Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, I got this and this 900 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,879 Speaker 1: and this and next thing, you know, I started doing 901 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,080 Speaker 1: music for him. That was the first person I started 902 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 1: working with. And then my friend had to be She 903 00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,719 Speaker 1: started working on some music and she had a record deal. 904 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,400 Speaker 1: He was like, well, that's your friend. Go over there 905 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: and make some beasts for her too, you know. So 906 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: I started going there. So it was like anybody in 907 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: b DP. I was working with Mad Lion, go over 908 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: there and make some beats for him too, Like you know, 909 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 1: I was just like the in house producer for b DP. 910 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,400 Speaker 1: That's how I really started musing that's dope because cares 911 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,839 Speaker 1: One seems like he likes to empower people around him. 912 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,719 Speaker 1: Because that's dope. Her brother he encouraged you to get 913 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: into this, saying, man, make some beats. I think that's 914 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: real dope. Man. Yeah, he throw you right in though, 915 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,759 Speaker 1: like he don't he don't like inch you, and he 916 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: puts you right in the twelve feet like this is 917 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 1: what you want to do. Push go, and you better 918 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,200 Speaker 1: be dope when next time I see you. Like that's 919 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 1: how he is like, especially with me, you know, like, 920 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm his younger brother. He's like, yo, so 921 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,920 Speaker 1: you want to make beats. Here's a stack of records 922 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: and a drum machine. You better come back with something, 923 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm like, Okay, this 924 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 1: is what I got and you better come with it. Man. 925 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,239 Speaker 1: I remember at a time man cares One seems like 926 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: even now when you listen to this music today, he 927 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: always changed with the times of pro gris. I don't 928 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: know one thing I was piste off about, man, like 929 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: the whole situations with him and Nelly. Other think Nellie 930 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: had no business trying to challenge cares when I was 931 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,400 Speaker 1: the whack and stuff everything. I was like, where are 932 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 1: the level of respect that you're trying to go at 933 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: carres One? You know how I understood it. I'm getting 934 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: all this from Chris. I I can't I'm I'm paraphrasing, 935 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,720 Speaker 1: but from how I understood that was a misunderstanding. Nellie 936 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 1: made a record called Number one or something like that, 937 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 1: and some people told Nelly that carriss One didn't like 938 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,359 Speaker 1: your song because it sounded like I'm still number one, 939 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,319 Speaker 1: which Chris wasn't even thinking about Nellie like that. So 940 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: Chris actually put out a press release going, you know, 941 00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: I have no problems with Nellie. You know, I wouldn't 942 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,640 Speaker 1: been battle Nellie. He's not really my contemporary. If I 943 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 1: was gonna do a battle, probably like Kane or rock Cam, 944 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 1: that made more sense because we are all contemporaries. You know. 945 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: Good luck to Nelly in the future. But Nellie was 946 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: already in the studio and he jumped on um freeways 947 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: record I think it was Rock the Mic remix, and 948 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: he just started dissing Cares dissing, so he kind of 949 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: like heard Caress was Carress Man, I'm I'm I'm already 950 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: on it. So that's how it elevice. And once Nellie 951 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 1: said that, then I guess Chris responded and it was 952 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,840 Speaker 1: just But to me, that was just a mess. It 953 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,239 Speaker 1: wasn't even really you know it. It was just to 954 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: me that to me, that was just a mess. It 955 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: was leg list because like I said, nearly don't have 956 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,480 Speaker 1: no business even being a mixed of the same breakface 957 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,839 Speaker 1: Carress one, and that's not gonna to Nelly. But what 958 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: they do is two different things compre in two different worlds. 959 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 1: But you know, a people like controversy and you know 960 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,759 Speaker 1: at that time, Nellie was selling what do you said, 961 00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:01,480 Speaker 1: like five times platinum something it was done. Yeah, so 962 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,000 Speaker 1: he was moving records, so you know he's an MC. 963 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: What I guess it was like, you know, this is good. 964 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,960 Speaker 1: This give me could have been his childhood dream to 965 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: battlecare as well. Yeah, that was his child of course, 966 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,319 Speaker 1: it was this childhood dream. But like, let's switch a 967 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,160 Speaker 1: little bit and we really here because you got this 968 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 1: best selling book, My Brother's Name any the greatest true 969 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: hip hop story ever told, and it's actually number twenty 970 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,960 Speaker 1: one on the Amazon charts for Rap music books. You 971 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So congratulations on, thank you so much, 972 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: thank you, and and this book is actually these great 973 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,480 Speaker 1: stories that you're telling. So like when you decided to 974 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: tell these stories just that your regular life, you know 975 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,399 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, how how was that received by 976 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: the people that was gonna be mentioned in the book 977 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 1: because you got to talk about some deep stuff bar 978 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:57,840 Speaker 1: as your upbringing and what your mother went through transforming 979 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,920 Speaker 1: into I'm the DJ and my brother is a super 980 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 1: mega star. And so when you decided to write this book, 981 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 1: who did you talk to and not maybe get their approval, 982 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,760 Speaker 1: but get they understanding that I can tell this story 983 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: because I was actually there. Well, both of those things happened. Um, 984 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: I started, Uh, well, I'm a hip hop fan, and 985 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,360 Speaker 1: so I study everybody's story. I go to all of 986 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,280 Speaker 1: the movies and watch all the biopics or whatever opics 987 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 1: biopics I'm not sure to say. Um, And I was like, 988 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, most people's stories, most people come from the hood, 989 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 1: like we came from the hood, but they were more 990 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: like involved in street stuff. And like I had mentioned before, 991 00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: we were completely opposite kids like that, Like no one 992 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,760 Speaker 1: was really telling the story from a perspective of regular 993 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,920 Speaker 1: kids in this crazyhood environment, you know. And for me, 994 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,839 Speaker 1: like we didn't have a father figure, so I had 995 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,680 Speaker 1: to figure out how to maneuver in Brooklyn the Bronx, 996 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: and it was very difficult, you could, you know, coming 997 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 1: up at that time. But so I wanted to tell 998 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,800 Speaker 1: a story, a hood story, from the perspective of someone 999 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,759 Speaker 1: who was not in a gang or who was not 1000 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, robbing people and stuff like that. Actually who 1001 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,279 Speaker 1: had got robbed. I got robbed numerous times as a 1002 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: youth coming up, so like no one ever tells that 1003 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: side of the story. So like, that's a I wanted 1004 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: to tell that story for people like me, and I 1005 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: wanted to tell a story like I feel like I 1006 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 1: witnessed a miracle um coming from where we come, where 1007 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: we came from, and how poor we were, and we 1008 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:41,919 Speaker 1: went through homelessness, child abuse, crime, everything that you could 1009 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,480 Speaker 1: think of that would be a statistic to say, guy's 1010 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,800 Speaker 1: not gonna kids are not gonna make it. We went 1011 00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,280 Speaker 1: through that and for my brother to become the artist 1012 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: that he became, and I had like a front row 1013 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,480 Speaker 1: seat to watch the whole thing. I was like, this 1014 00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,160 Speaker 1: is almost a miracle that I'm watching how we got 1015 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,600 Speaker 1: from here to here, or I gotta tell the world 1016 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,040 Speaker 1: what I saw. So I went to Chris and I'm like, 1017 00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, I want to write this book, but in 1018 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,080 Speaker 1: order for me to tell a story, I gotta really 1019 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: tell the whole story, like the whole embarrassing thing. Things 1020 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 1: people don't know about our family. And I know you 1021 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,879 Speaker 1: have a pretty crafted career over thirty years. I don't 1022 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: want to say anything to you know, hurt your image. 1023 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: And his exact words were, I don't give a fuck, 1024 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 1: tell it all. Liked it, he said so once he 1025 00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,000 Speaker 1: said I don't give an tell at all. I'm like, okay, 1026 00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell every you know, every little nook and 1027 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,359 Speaker 1: cranny so people could really see where we were at 1028 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,080 Speaker 1: a certain point as teenagers, and how I escaped the 1029 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,720 Speaker 1: hood through sports and how he escaped the hood through music, 1030 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,879 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's unbelievable. So I said, I'm gonna 1031 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,960 Speaker 1: tell his story. And how long How long did it 1032 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 1: take you to put the book together? Well, from the 1033 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,920 Speaker 1: time I decided to tell the story to me, about 1034 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 1: a year to write the boat, like the rough draft, 1035 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,799 Speaker 1: like the whole story, and then you start chopping it down, 1036 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,200 Speaker 1: editing it down to to the to the real meat. 1037 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: So probably like a year to write it, Probably like 1038 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,800 Speaker 1: a year to edit it down to the to the 1039 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,520 Speaker 1: meet and then put everything together, get the cover, and 1040 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: get it up to specs. So probably like two and 1041 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,680 Speaker 1: a half years maybe from the time I spoke to 1042 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 1: my brother and said I want to do it. Because 1043 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 1: once I spoke to him and he said go ahead, 1044 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,440 Speaker 1: that's when it was real, a real go because if 1045 00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: he had I said, you know, I don't really want 1046 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 1: you to say this, so I don't really want you 1047 00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,240 Speaker 1: to say this, it would have been like, you know, 1048 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't tell a book because if I'm not 1049 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: gonna tell everything, I might as well not do it. 1050 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: But once he said tell everything, that's when it became real. 1051 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: So probably two and a half three years yea, because 1052 00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: Saintoina is a Saintoine is a published offer. War offers 1053 00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: well itself, and I've seen this process, so salute for 1054 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: you actually making it happen, because you know, me watching him, 1055 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: it's a very ambitious and difference. Yeah, it is. It is. 1056 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,600 Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk to you more about Rose 1057 00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: Daniel's involvement because I know that the process you just described, 1058 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 1: when you're working with a co author or as told 1059 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,760 Speaker 1: to author, then that author also has to make it 1060 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:29,080 Speaker 1: to your liking after breaking it down so far. So 1061 00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,080 Speaker 1: where did Rose Daniels come in in this process that 1062 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,160 Speaker 1: they start this process with you, or how did that 1063 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,560 Speaker 1: come about that you even incorporated working with Rose A 1064 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: Rose was a couple of things. First of all, Rose 1065 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: encouraged me to write myself. I wrote the book. I 1066 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,240 Speaker 1: was going to hire a writer when he rose, Okay, 1067 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: Rose Daniels offered to help me put my book together. 1068 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,520 Speaker 1: And so I said to Rose Okay, you know, we 1069 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,200 Speaker 1: need to hire like a professional writer, and she was, no, 1070 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,360 Speaker 1: you write it yourself and tell a story in your 1071 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 1: own words. So she told me that something like, Okay, 1072 00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell Rose the story. She didn't know. She 1073 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 1: knew who Caress one was. She probably knew like two 1074 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: or three songs, but she was much younger. So I'm like, 1075 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: if I could convince her that this is a good story, 1076 00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,160 Speaker 1: I could convince the world. So my goal was to 1077 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: tell Rose the story and see if I can convince 1078 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:28,840 Speaker 1: her that it's good. So that's what we started doing. 1079 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: I started going chapter by chapter like this happened. This 1080 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:36,120 Speaker 1: happens though. If she wasn't a professional writer, neither one 1081 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,560 Speaker 1: of you were, So what what was it so special 1082 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: about her that made you even want to tell her 1083 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,280 Speaker 1: the story? So you could factor in if this is 1084 00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,439 Speaker 1: a story worth telling? Why does that opinion matter so much? 1085 00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,480 Speaker 1: WHOA She was the first person that said I would 1086 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,680 Speaker 1: help you. And she had a background in radio. She 1087 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,120 Speaker 1: used to do she does interviews. She used to work 1088 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,920 Speaker 1: at uh this is fifty dot com interviews, used to 1089 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 1: work at Hot ninety seven in New York City, so 1090 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,840 Speaker 1: she had a she had a background in doing interviews, 1091 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,600 Speaker 1: so I'm like, Okay, she can probably help me to 1092 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: navigate what I want to say. And also the fact 1093 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:20,200 Speaker 1: that she's probably twenty years younger than me, um, so 1094 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, she would be a perfect person to try 1095 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 1: to because if she don't understand what I'm talking about, 1096 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna understand. So if if I say to her, 1097 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: red Alert used to play played our song, and if 1098 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,080 Speaker 1: she goes, well, who's Red Alert? So now I gotta go, Okay, 1099 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,440 Speaker 1: I gotta be more descripted. I gotta explained to people 1100 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,640 Speaker 1: who's Red Alert because there's a lot of people. You 1101 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,920 Speaker 1: would assume that people would know who that is. But 1102 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: if she goes, who's Red Alert, then I gotta say, okay, 1103 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,920 Speaker 1: let me explain who Red Alert is? Or if I say, 1104 01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: New York was like this when I was growing up, 1105 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,840 Speaker 1: And if you look at New York now, like Tom 1106 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,360 Speaker 1: Squire looks like Disney World, But when I was growing up, 1107 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Tom Square was one of the most dangerous paces in 1108 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: the country, the Deuce. So if I tell her, yo, 1109 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,600 Speaker 1: we was on the Deuce and it was wild, and 1110 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,640 Speaker 1: she's looking at me like, what are you talking about? 1111 01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Tom Squire? Looks like this, and I gotta, okay, I 1112 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,280 Speaker 1: gotta explain to people what what the deuce was like, 1113 01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people that's not gonna understand 1114 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,920 Speaker 1: what it was like in the seventies and eighties. So 1115 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 1: that my relationship with her like that helped me to 1116 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,200 Speaker 1: tell a story, right, because it helped you get more 1117 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: descriptive and explain what was going. So I actually gave 1118 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: you the storytelling ability. Now you released the book in May, 1119 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: and now to see it like people really reading the 1120 01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:42,120 Speaker 1: story is moving up the charts, and this is you 1121 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: because like I'm a real identical twin, So you and 1122 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,560 Speaker 1: Chris being ten months apart and me being an identical twin, 1123 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,680 Speaker 1: like when it's people know you from him and him 1124 01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,959 Speaker 1: from you, but like this is strictly your point of view, 1125 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,000 Speaker 1: explaying a feeling of now people know Kenny Parker. You 1126 01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,560 Speaker 1: know you used to play bad asketball and people started 1127 01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,880 Speaker 1: noticing you because your brother said your name in the rap. 1128 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,360 Speaker 1: Now this is you and you get to tell your story, 1129 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,280 Speaker 1: explain the feeling. The first time you put your book 1130 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,120 Speaker 1: in your hand, that not the not the print copy, 1131 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,040 Speaker 1: but the author copy, and it's not out yet, and 1132 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 1: you open that box and you pick it up and 1133 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: you put it in your hand. I've had that moment, 1134 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,720 Speaker 1: explained that moment at that point in your life. What 1135 01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:31,800 Speaker 1: that meant to you. It's surreal because you work so 1136 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,200 Speaker 1: long on it, and you are probably going over the 1137 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: book fifty times, sixty times getting it right. And when 1138 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,840 Speaker 1: you finally get it in your hand, the author copy. 1139 01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's real. This is real, and it's 1140 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: no longer in your mind. It's no longer a draft, 1141 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: it's no longer matchic. This is a real book. And 1142 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: everyone is gonna read it, and they're gonna know my 1143 01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,680 Speaker 1: innermost thoughts, and they're gonna know what I You know 1144 01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,560 Speaker 1: the BDP story from my perspective, and my my thing 1145 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,080 Speaker 1: was that I know the story is unlike anything anyone's 1146 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,080 Speaker 1: ever read. But I hope I tell it right. That's 1147 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,960 Speaker 1: my thing. I hope that I can express to people 1148 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:22,880 Speaker 1: how unlikely this caress One's rise was, and and and 1149 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,960 Speaker 1: my escape from New York basically, um, how unlikely it was. 1150 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,000 Speaker 1: If I could tell the story right, it's gonna be dope. 1151 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: So that was my biggest thing. Did I did I 1152 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,960 Speaker 1: tell the story right? Well? People get what I'm saying. 1153 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: And that's why Rose was so important to me, because 1154 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,360 Speaker 1: if I can get her to get what I'm saying, 1155 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:45,040 Speaker 1: I felt like I can get you know, a lot 1156 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,880 Speaker 1: of people to understand. Okay, now with that moment, what 1157 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,320 Speaker 1: was the moment like the first time you ever pressed 1158 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: play on a record as a DJ in front of people, 1159 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: actually in front of I went I went through this 1160 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,520 Speaker 1: in the book. My first time pressing play and and 1161 01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,560 Speaker 1: and playing music for people was at a b DP concert. 1162 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,280 Speaker 1: I went from practicing in Chris's music room to a 1163 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 1: concert the next day. And I was actually so paralyzed, 1164 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,840 Speaker 1: almost with fear that I when when when they said 1165 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,280 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, b DP and the curtain open and 1166 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 1: the lights shined on me, I was like, I can't 1167 01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,160 Speaker 1: do this. But then I was like, well, there's no 1168 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,480 Speaker 1: way to go now, like you up here now, So 1169 01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:40,080 Speaker 1: I kind of went into sports mode, like okay, run 1170 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: to play, you know what I mean, run the plays. 1171 01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,640 Speaker 1: So it's basically, you know the songs, you know the order, 1172 01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,320 Speaker 1: run the plays. So for me, it was more like 1173 01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: I was an athlete up there, you know, like even 1174 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,280 Speaker 1: like you talk about football, you know that they yelled 1175 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,760 Speaker 1: a certain player. You run twenty yards, cut left right, 1176 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,640 Speaker 1: ball should be there. You know. That's how it was 1177 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: with the song and Chris does this, This happens when 1178 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,920 Speaker 1: he does that, that happened so for me. After the 1179 01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,280 Speaker 1: show then I was exhilarated. But during the show, I 1180 01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:16,280 Speaker 1: was just so focused on, you know, don't mess up 1181 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 1: because you know, he's like, you know, it's like three 1182 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,960 Speaker 1: or four thousand people. And and it was in uh Oakland, Oakland, California. 1183 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,800 Speaker 1: Was my first BTP show. That's really dope, man, what 1184 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,680 Speaker 1: we appreciate you coming on the show. Man and guys, 1185 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,240 Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to go out and grab this book. 1186 01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,120 Speaker 1: My brother's name is Kenny. The greatest hip hop story ever. 1187 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,600 Speaker 1: Twill the Linkers go be in a description. Make sure 1188 01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: you guys go purchase this book. And I think this 1189 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 1: book is gonna be made into a movie one day. 1190 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: That would be dope. I think I think it has 1191 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to sound biased, but I 1192 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,120 Speaker 1: think it has maybe the makings of a movie. I mean, 1193 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,720 Speaker 1: the story is wild. I mean I go into a 1194 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,800 Speaker 1: lot of detail about what it was like growing up 1195 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 1: in New York for kids like us and to see 1196 01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,720 Speaker 1: hip hop that live on Cool Hurk's block when hip 1197 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,800 Speaker 1: hop is created. And then to see my brother who 1198 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,880 Speaker 1: was home I mean, he was homeless for most of 1199 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,640 Speaker 1: his teenage years, running away from home, being he was 1200 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:23,080 Speaker 1: just like a delinquent. And to see him become caress 1201 01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,640 Speaker 1: one and lecture and universities and he didn't even finish 1202 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:31,040 Speaker 1: the ninth grade and he's lecturing at Harvard and Yale. 1203 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,680 Speaker 1: It's like, it's unbelievable. I'm like, y'all gotta see that, 1204 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,360 Speaker 1: y'all gotta read this. I gotta tell you how this happened. 1205 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,240 Speaker 1: So thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. 1206 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,360 Speaker 1: Oh brother, anytime, anytime, and make sure you go actually 1207 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,880 Speaker 1: subscribe to Kimmy Parker's YouTube channel a lot of dope 1208 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,520 Speaker 1: stories on their amazing stories and that you know from 1209 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 1: the first time I saw you, saw you on your channel, 1210 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,320 Speaker 1: not discovered Joe channel, looking for something else. I said, whoa, 1211 01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,680 Speaker 1: I gotta have this, dude. Sure, I don't want to 1212 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: watch the worst. I don't want to see the more 1213 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,000 Speaker 1: because it's the mess interview. I want to get him on. 1214 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,400 Speaker 1: I asked you that same night, like, brother, we gotta 1215 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,520 Speaker 1: get you on a show. Bro. Yes, yes, yes, and 1216 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,400 Speaker 1: I was like, let's go. That's make sure guys out 1217 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,640 Speaker 1: there too. Did you go visit my guest co host 1218 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 1: and like him and his brother Santoine Antoine, they have 1219 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,880 Speaker 1: a podcast called The Connected Experience. This is really off 1220 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,680 Speaker 1: the chain. I implore you to hit the linkers. I 1221 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,560 Speaker 1: gonna head that down there too. Y'all go subscribe and 1222 01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,560 Speaker 1: we'll catch you guys next week. Peace. We got here, 1223 01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,400 Speaker 1: Oh Kenny, before I go, where can they find you? 1224 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 1: On Instagram? You know we got the younger people on 1225 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,439 Speaker 1: that you talked about getting the young bunch of book. 1226 01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,240 Speaker 1: We gotta get a gram up, dog. I'm on Instagram. 1227 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Everything is d J Kenny Parker, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, 1228 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,840 Speaker 1: Just DJ Kenny Parker for sure, for sure, And make 1229 01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:54,640 Speaker 1: sure you'll hit my homeboy Santoine at TCE pod at 1230 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,400 Speaker 1: tc E pod. He got a twin brother. I can't 1231 01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,080 Speaker 1: tell him a part still and I've been messing with 1232 01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,360 Speaker 1: it for years now. Still can tell the part The 1233 01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: Connected Experience at tc pot on Twitter and at tc 1234 01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 1: pot on Instagram. And we out of here, y'all. Piece 1235 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:09,720 Speaker 1: bag