Speaker 1: Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
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Speaker 1: How is everybody doing post Thanksgiving? I hope you all
Speaker 1: survived being with your families, hopefully not talking about politics.
Speaker 3: I was not with my family, you were, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But it was a magical Three days is a perfect
Speaker 2: amount of time. Yeah, I think that was there like
Speaker 2: a day longer, but like with travel, so it evens. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think three days is really like a magical
Speaker 2: number for family. Sweet spot Totally. There's really no time,
Speaker 2: at least for me. You know, obviously there's there's someone
Speaker 2: I know who I didn't. I was shown yesterday that
Speaker 2: their Thanksgiving posts on social media said and we weren't
Speaker 2: even at his family's house for a half hour. His
Speaker 2: brother physically assaulted him. We had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 2: We're in the you know, we're we're filing charges and
Speaker 2: eating McDonald's and so, you know, I guess some people
Speaker 2: don't even have thirty minutes, so.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody shared like a meme or a tweet
Speaker 1: that was like, if your family fights at Thanksgiving, go live.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love that, Like I want to
Speaker 1: see people's fights in real time.
Speaker 2: But I also love the trend on social media of
Speaker 2: like posting people that pretend to be poor and then
Speaker 2: you see they have like an island in their kitchen
Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, those are some pretty high ceilings.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just was home with my family and another couple
Speaker 1: came over with their kid, and none of our kids
Speaker 1: touched any of the food except for the ice cream at.
Speaker 2: The end, and but we had we had a good
Speaker 2: little dinner. I'm about to do a new thing I
Speaker 2: saw on the internet. It might not be new to everyone,
Speaker 2: I messaged the friend. I want to do this with
Speaker 2: shout out, but buying ice cream sandwiches like the classic
Speaker 2: kind and then a bag of Eminem minis and then
Speaker 2: you like dip and bite like you did, and then
Speaker 2: the eminem stick to the fucking ice cream sandwich.
Speaker 1: C or I was thinking when you first said it
Speaker 1: that you just decorate the side of it, like of
Speaker 1: an ice cream sandwich with the minis, but the dipping
Speaker 1: is much more efficient.
Speaker 2: Y that made cut because I feel if because I
Speaker 2: get that they have the cookie sandwich eminem thing, but
Speaker 2: I don't like an ice cream cookie sandwich. That's like
Speaker 2: not my fun, rather a postcle I am not entested. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't want the hard cookie anyways, So did you
Speaker 2: but you didn't cook?
Speaker 3: Where did you get the food I did? I made shocked.
Speaker 1: I made mashed potatoes, Brussels sprouts, cream corn wow, and rolls.
Speaker 1: But they're the kind that you pop from Bill's very fine.
Speaker 1: I stuck those in the oven. Yeah, so I made
Speaker 1: like half the things. And then my friend made a
Speaker 1: turkey roast because you know, only her and my husband
Speaker 1: and her husband eat the meat, so they had some turkey,
Speaker 1: and then she made like a salad and sweet potatoes and.
Speaker 3: Like one other vegetables she made. It was good.
Speaker 1: It was We had a lot of food for like
Speaker 1: four adults because the children wouldn't touch anything, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was well, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You have to have the dishes, so there ends up
Speaker 2: obviously being too much food. I'm all about the sides,
Speaker 2: Like I want stuffing. I ate the most amount of stuffing.
Speaker 2: I took the stuffing home and I ate it for
Speaker 2: breakfast the next day twice, like I was stuffing.
Speaker 3: That's what she made.
Speaker 1: She made stuffing, and she made vegetarian stuffing for me,
Speaker 1: and she was like, I was worried, but it was
Speaker 1: so good.
Speaker 3: It was really delicious.
Speaker 2: I don't even know anything's made. No one expects anything
Speaker 2: out of me. I just show up and everyone's happy
Speaker 2: that I'm there. And I usually would bring dessert like
Speaker 2: I do, like to purchase Italian cookies. Kate, like, I like,
Speaker 2: I like to take that on, but my mom's obviously
Speaker 2: gonna bake, so we just put her to work.
Speaker 1: So I really, I mean, that is where she's happy, right.
Speaker 1: It's not like you're, oh, of course not, she's sick.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like a double edged like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I don't know what she really has outside of
Speaker 2: cooking for us. We love it. It is so good,
Speaker 2: we need it. But no, she's like in a prison
Speaker 2: of in the kitchen, Like the kitchen is her prison.
Speaker 3: She does not leave it.
Speaker 2: She has to feed my father and we all are
Speaker 2: demanding dishes from her at all times when we're in town.
Speaker 2: Like the bitch is at work at all at all
Speaker 2: moments of the day, and I to work. So my
Speaker 2: mom takes Pillsberry like crescent biscuit dough and in it
Speaker 2: she chops up like hard boiled eggs and onions and
Speaker 2: then she fries that and.
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite dishes. Well, that sounds so good.
Speaker 2: It's so good. It's but it is extra. She did
Speaker 2: fuck it up this year. We didn't take it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, great, leave it for me at the house.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The coolest moment I guess I had was Friday. I
Speaker 2: went to see Wicked with my mommy lan's mom, and
Speaker 2: my sister. My niece canceled on us. How dare No,
Speaker 2: it's fine. She had a brunch. She had a brunch,
Speaker 2: so we dressed up. It was great, loved it. We'll
Speaker 2: obviously get into it. But then it ends.
Speaker 3: My sister turns to me and she goes, Elon's outside.
Speaker 2: Go.
Speaker 3: No, she actually knows me.
Speaker 2: She goes pee and go, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: So I peed and then I jump in the car.
Speaker 2: Elon's in there with his three you know, adult children,
Speaker 2: and then we all get to the Bulls game. We
Speaker 2: are parked and at tip off at seven oh five,
Speaker 2: like we are there, like we enter as the star
Speaker 2: spangled banner is being saying, oh wow, the timing, the timing.
Speaker 3: I'm in green and the Bulls are playing the Celtics.
Speaker 3: Thank god.
Speaker 2: My nephew said something. I had a black undershirt. I
Speaker 2: took off my bow like I tried to degreenify for
Speaker 2: the Bulls game. But it was like an electric game.
Speaker 2: And Okay, Benny the Bull his thing. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: really cute. Before Ellie the Elephant, Benny the Bull is
Speaker 2: like I feel the top mascot.
Speaker 3: Mascot. Yeah, but his thing is so funny.
Speaker 2: And jewel Osco is my grocery store of choice, our
Speaker 2: local one. But so his thing, like there's a clip
Speaker 2: and it's like, ah, Benny's getting ready and basically he
Speaker 2: takes giant, giant bags of popcorn and he goes into
Speaker 2: the stands and he just starts dancing sexy spins as
Speaker 2: the popcorn flies out of the bag on everyone. And
Speaker 2: that's his like thing. I was and I would I
Speaker 2: was dying laughing. It was like that looking crazy.
Speaker 3: So I'm looking at a picture of him. He looks
Speaker 3: like he would He looks.
Speaker 1: Like he would be dancing to like Potty Rocas in
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 3: It's Chaka Laca, Chaka Loaca.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's more nineties, but always trying to recreate the magic.
Speaker 3: But you see, like I I eyes, the big eyes
Speaker 3: are cue.
Speaker 2: And one of the first photos is him with this
Speaker 2: mass You gotta the popcorn is so funny, Google Betty
Speaker 2: the Bull popcorn. I want you to kind of just
Speaker 2: like see how I gotta see this sexy popcorn dance
Speaker 2: from this bowl? All right, it's just my job, funny
Speaker 2: thing to have.
Speaker 1: It's like a huge bag. It's like a huge movie
Speaker 1: theater bag. And it's, oh my god, the picture I'm
Speaker 1: seeing looks like a tornado of popcorn.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, stupid.
Speaker 1: And everybody's just like, wow, we're covered in popcorn. That's
Speaker 1: so fun.
Speaker 2: I just feel if Ellie the Elephant was like out
Speaker 2: on the town trying to get like date, she would
Speaker 2: be dating Benny, like there's no one else be hooking
Speaker 2: up with, like they connect energy wise, like Chicago New York.
Speaker 3: I think that's a fun mix.
Speaker 1: Benny the Bull, the mascot for the Chicago Bulls, pulls
Speaker 1: down four hundred k annually from some random source source
Speaker 1: that I just clicked on.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: So my niece is kind of obsessed with looking up
Speaker 2: if people are Jewish or not, and she has all
Speaker 2: these websites and anytime there's an actor anywhere anything, she's
Speaker 2: just like looking up who's Jewish on the bulls, on
Speaker 2: any team.
Speaker 3: And so somehow she did look me up.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what the site is, but I'm
Speaker 2: a comedian born in Ukraine. I'm number seven, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'd like to meet one through six, Yeah, yeah, who
Speaker 2: are one through six? But then virgo named Lisa. I'm
Speaker 2: number five, so like, come on, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: But I'm like two hundred and sixty something thousand. I
Speaker 2: don't know what the site is, but I think it's
Speaker 2: like a Jewish collecting side of people.
Speaker 3: But I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what other famous Lisas or Eliza's
Speaker 1: there are besides Manelli.
Speaker 3: I mean Gibbons.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm sure maybe so yeah, but do science
Speaker 2: or you know, astronauts like who fucking knows.
Speaker 1: I love these I love these sites where they rank
Speaker 1: people like that, like the other podcast I listened to
Speaker 1: who Weekly that I've told you about. They do Who's
Speaker 1: They go on this website. They play a game called
Speaker 1: Who's Most Famous Birthdays? Because there's this webit site called
Speaker 1: Famous Birthdays, and they kind of quiz each other of
Speaker 1: like who do you think ranks higher than someone else?
Speaker 1: Because it'll be like, oh, on this day, Leonardo DiCaprio,
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz and then like a YouTuber and it'll be
Speaker 1: like Who's the most famous birthday? And it'll be like
Speaker 1: the YouTuber because it'll of like followers and impressions or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know where they get their info from, but
Speaker 1: Whose Most Famous Birthdays is a.
Speaker 3: Funny little game they play.
Speaker 1: But I speaking of movies, I do want to hear
Speaker 1: your wicked review, but I gotta.
Speaker 2: Say I do also at the game. Can I tell
Speaker 2: you the most selective part of the sporting event? Yes,
Speaker 2: it's when the little like Dunkin Donuts caricatures race like it.
Speaker 3: Oh, it is the loudest. It is what it is like.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Midwest, if it's everywhere, because
Speaker 2: that's how I felt that the Cyclones game too, But
Speaker 2: like I just feel when the inanimate food objects but
Speaker 2: they aren't animated. I mean, I don't know what to
Speaker 2: say when the when the food sponsored objects race on
Speaker 2: the screen, it feel.
Speaker 1: Like we can all come together. We're all one nation.
Speaker 1: When that happens, I feel everybody just together.
Speaker 2: So many Chicago things, Like it's just like a picture
Speaker 2: of a hot dog on the screens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was a thing. You're registered.
Speaker 2: If the opposing player misses two consecutive free throws in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter, you'll win a free hot dog for
Speaker 2: Portillo's sent to your email. Like it's just like we
Speaker 2: are at parody of ourselves.
Speaker 3: But any so good. Anyways, mowana to on.
Speaker 1: I've seen some Thanksgiving Day at ten am, and I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Speaker 3: It was hot garbage. It was good. They haven't even
Speaker 3: been doing press, like they know what's bad. But do
Speaker 3: you know how it made so much?
Speaker 1: It means like two hundred million dollars, like because kids
Speaker 1: will go fucking see whatever. And also the first one
Speaker 1: was so good, and it's like Thanksgiving weekend, we're home
Speaker 1: with our kids, we got to do stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I had these tickets like weeks in advance because I
Speaker 1: was like, yes, Thanksgiving morning, will go do that. And
Speaker 1: I'm just sad because the first movie is like a
Speaker 1: perfect movie. It came out in twenty sixteen, you had
Speaker 1: eight years to do a sequel. They didn't hire lin
Speaker 1: Manuel Miranda, which I'm sure was like an unavailability thing
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know WoT I do.
Speaker 2: The music that were like, damn, we're sorry to lin Manuel,
Speaker 2: like because I feel like people started like making fun
Speaker 2: of him, but for a while and like he was
Speaker 2: kind of corny, let's say yeah, But at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I mean.
Speaker 3: I think it's like what you made was hits.
Speaker 1: I think it was like his acting, like when he
Speaker 1: was in Mary Poppins, people were like, okay, dude. But
Speaker 1: like his music is undeniable, like the music from Mahana almost.
Speaker 1: I have to say, almost every song is a fucking hit.
Speaker 1: I love every song on the soundtrack. I will cry
Speaker 1: like that song completely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's such a good there's so much good
Speaker 2: music that that song is like in the beginning, yeah,
Speaker 2: how Far I'll Go?
Speaker 1: You know, how Far I'll Go is amazing. They're even
Speaker 1: like the song about like Shiny. I like Shiny, but
Speaker 1: even the song about how she has to stay in
Speaker 1: her village and like assume this role. That's just been
Speaker 1: a sign to her, and like she's like, I'll find
Speaker 1: a way to be happy doing this, even though there's
Speaker 1: other things I want to do.
Speaker 3: Like I cry at that song.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just saying, not one memorable song and the
Speaker 1: plot is unfollowable. I have no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: I have a college degree. I'm like, what's happening? That
Speaker 1: bad guy's a good guy. There's a bad guy they
Speaker 1: talk about the entire time. They reveal him in the
Speaker 1: credit sequence, Like the credits roll for a minute, then
Speaker 1: you see this bad guy for the first time. Because
Speaker 1: I think they're setting it up for a Mahana three.
Speaker 2: They just had a laugh and they're like, let's see
Speaker 2: how bad we can make this. We know people think
Speaker 2: they're like it. It reminded me of the straight to DVD.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of Simba's Pride or whatever.
Speaker 1: It reminded me of like the Tale of Ja'far or whatever,
Speaker 1: is like the second Aladdin, Like that's fine when that
Speaker 1: shit's going straight to DVD and it's just like garbage
Speaker 1: stuff to like, you know, but it's like this was
Speaker 1: a movie release, and it made so much money, and
Speaker 1: I worry that it's sending the message to Disney that
Speaker 1: like you don't really have to make good shit, because
Speaker 1: look at like Toy Story, Toy Story two three, they're
Speaker 1: all good, you know, like Frozen, Frozen two is good.
Speaker 1: You know, people love it. Like I thought Disney was
Speaker 1: like kind of cared about the sequels. And I'm so
Speaker 1: disappointed because I'm like a mo wana fucking stand Like
Speaker 1: outside of it being a kid thing, I think it's
Speaker 1: like structurally like a perfect movie. Like I think about
Speaker 1: it when I'm writing other things. I'm like, okay, so
Speaker 1: it's like in Mowana, this part is like the Dark
Speaker 1: Knight of the Soul and this is the part where
Speaker 1: the all is lost moment, and like it's a great
Speaker 1: movie and the music is good. And I was just
Speaker 1: really disappointed, really disappointed. But you know, the rock is back,
Speaker 1: Ali Cravlla. Shit, it's beautiful. I'll give it that. Like
Speaker 1: it's still a beautiful movie. Like the animation is gorgeous.
Speaker 1: The Kakamora are back.
Speaker 2: If you're a fan, I wonder like did someone burn
Speaker 2: the script and they're like we have to make another
Speaker 2: one quick?
Speaker 3: Like what what I heard?
Speaker 1: What I heard is that they were developing it into
Speaker 1: a TV show and then that got scrapped and they
Speaker 1: just kind of squashed everything from the TV show. And
Speaker 1: that's why it's a hot mess because there's there's like
Speaker 1: four new characters that she goes out on the boat with.
Speaker 1: Now I'm like, why her and Maui on the boat
Speaker 1: is fine? Maybe add one more character like I don't
Speaker 1: need like it was, yeah, exactly, like a whole crew
Speaker 1: Like that would make sense to me if it became
Speaker 1: a TV show, like a crew of characters, because there's
Speaker 1: got to be all these different storylines every episode. But anyway, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's my review of Moanatu. Not good, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: my kids will watch it again on Disney Plus.
Speaker 2: Well, so about Wicked, I am and such a bubble,
Speaker 2: So like a comic went up after me at the
Speaker 2: cellar and was like, who saw Wicked?
Speaker 3: Zero?
Speaker 2: And he said, yet another show zero? And then I
Speaker 2: saw a girl post the clip where she asks an
Speaker 2: audience and not one collaps and she has three times
Speaker 2: and then she goes, well this sucks, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, are we in like a different universe?
Speaker 1: Like obviously on my entire Explore page is their press.
Speaker 1: It's random people pretending to go up like an old
Speaker 1: man going up a stair in like a jazzy or
Speaker 1: what do you call those stair buddies that like go
Speaker 1: up holding a broom and people are like playing to
Speaker 1: find gravity. Like everything I'm seeing in my social is wicked.
Speaker 1: Like everybody I'm talking to is going to it like
Speaker 1: that is crazy? What a disconnect? Like who's and it
Speaker 1: made like a ton of money. So it's like people
Speaker 1: are obviously going to see it.
Speaker 3: But but I.
Speaker 2: Think it's a lot of dorks going multiple times because
Speaker 2: the grand public. It was at Mowana too, hating their
Speaker 2: lives some people.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like.
Speaker 2: I just well my mom said something nice to me
Speaker 2: because I oh my god. Also I bring this up
Speaker 2: all the time, I think on this podcast or maybe
Speaker 2: and in life. But our friend Allison Livey had a
Speaker 2: tweet years ago where she just said like a bodega
Speaker 2: loving tweet where it.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh yeah, where I got in the mix
Speaker 1: on this people that don't live here, like where do you?
Speaker 2: And it was about Eminem's like it was like Eminem's
Speaker 2: diet coke, toilet paper like it was something cute and
Speaker 2: then next thing, you know, Walgreens is trending, like gas
Speaker 2: station's trending, diet coke is trending, Bodega's trending. She was
Speaker 2: like she got on New York one, you know, like
Speaker 2: everyone was talking about it. But I was living in
Speaker 2: the suburbs. It was like during twenty twenty lockdown stuff,
Speaker 2: and to get a coffee it was a fifteen minute
Speaker 2: drive to Starbucks and back.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't like that like that like some
Speaker 3: I like this life.
Speaker 2: I like where and I can get a cup of
Speaker 2: coffee in seven places on my block, like and that's
Speaker 2: the way I like to live.
Speaker 3: So that was Allison's point.
Speaker 2: And I know there's other busy cities, but even people
Speaker 2: that live other places do find a special little charm
Speaker 2: in Bodega's. And everyone's jealous there's something special here. Fuck off,
Speaker 2: we know what a Walgreen. It was like, what is
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: I know what? I guess, of course.
Speaker 1: I mean I got like people were taking people were
Speaker 1: blowing up photos of my Twitter avatar, going says a
Speaker 1: girl who's never a picture of a girl who's never
Speaker 1: been to a gas station.
Speaker 2: I was like this is out of control. Like people
Speaker 2: were like, we don't know what gas stations are. You know,
Speaker 2: like going to Target is different. I've gone to Target.
Speaker 2: It's different than my bodega where this Indian family is
Speaker 2: so mean to me. I'm like, I've been coming here. Now,
Speaker 2: when am I going to break through? I'm like, when
Speaker 2: am I breaking through here?
Speaker 1: I just or or they're so nice, Like I used
Speaker 1: to leave my apartment keys at my bodega. I used
Speaker 1: to be like, you can get my apartment keys at
Speaker 1: my bodega. Just go there and they'll have an envelope
Speaker 1: with your name on it. Like that's what we're talking about. Like,
Speaker 1: and I think she even mentioned in her tweet, you
Speaker 1: get to pet a cat, Like there's not a cat
Speaker 1: at Target. There's not a cat at the gas station.
Speaker 2: And Chicago has corner stores. It is different. It's not
Speaker 2: all twenty four hours like I do find. I know,
Speaker 2: a bodega is a corner store. Corner stores not a bodega. Anyways,
Speaker 2: I felt that so much in the Burbs because you know,
Speaker 2: I walk places. The Walgreens is a six minute walk
Speaker 2: for my parents' house, and then I was gonna go
Speaker 2: to Target to get the Taylor Swift book, you know,
Speaker 2: which is maybe a fifteen minute walk maybe, And my
Speaker 2: as I was getting ready to walk, my mom is like,
Speaker 2: do you want to do?
Speaker 3: You want dad to drive you?
Speaker 2: I go, it's gonna take longer for me to wait
Speaker 2: for my dad to get dressed than it is for
Speaker 2: me to walk to Walgreens. Like, this is crazy, But
Speaker 2: I just thought of Allison's tweet. I think about it
Speaker 2: all the time where it's just like they were like,
Speaker 2: are you sure you can walk the six minutes to Walgreens?
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, I think I can make it. But
Speaker 2: I grew up driving to Walgreens. Yeah, I grew up
Speaker 2: doing that drive. That's a six minute walk my whole
Speaker 2: life living there. Yeah, it's so silly, it's weird. I
Speaker 2: never even thought twice about it, And now that I
Speaker 2: see it's only a six minute walk, I'm like, I've
Speaker 2: been driving to Walgreens for decades.
Speaker 3: So true. I mean, yeah, now that you live in
Speaker 3: a walking city too.
Speaker 2: But my mom was really nice because I went to
Speaker 2: buy like green eyeshadow and eyeliner. I found a green
Speaker 2: sweater at Target. I got a green wicked bow and
Speaker 2: my mom was like, you know, Lisa, you really know
Speaker 2: how to make a holiday out of everything.
Speaker 3: And I was like, that's nice, that's cute, that's so nice.
Speaker 3: It was nice. It was really nice.
Speaker 2: Okay, wicked, Yes, so what did you think? I loved it.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it again.
Speaker 1: I me too, And I never say that I don't
Speaker 1: double see movies, but I would go see that again
Speaker 1: in the theater.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't mean like.
Speaker 2: Ever, but I'm just also embarrassed how mad I was
Speaker 2: that it was going to be split into two and
Speaker 2: now it's like, yeah, how could they have ever done
Speaker 2: one movie like that?
Speaker 3: Seems so like and laid out.
Speaker 1: That's what so many people have been asking me, eire,
Speaker 1: Like the stage shows two and a half hours, How
Speaker 1: is it possible that, like the first movie is two
Speaker 1: and a half hours. I'm like, they grew poppy fields
Speaker 1: like they made practical that's in the UK. They like
Speaker 1: shot shit like on a river for Shiitz, Like they're
Speaker 1: gonna let like let the camera linger for a little
Speaker 1: while on this stuff, you know, like it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: They're not like elongating the songs. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought it was really great, and I have said
Speaker 1: this already. I just I'm never as impressed. I'm never like, oh,
Speaker 1: I love the movie more than I love the stage production.
Speaker 2: But even with Mama Mia, I don't believe you you love.
Speaker 1: That way I loved. I loved Mamma Mia the place
Speaker 1: so much. But you're right, I did love the movie
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 3: That's right. That might be the only rival. That might
Speaker 3: be the only rival for me.
Speaker 1: But now this is like in the mix for me,
Speaker 1: because like, yeah, Ley miss Chicago rent like everything I've seen.
Speaker 1: I like that stage better, like or I liked how
Speaker 1: I felt. I like the movie for Chicago. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but when I saw Chicago was like sixteen.
Speaker 1: It was like formative, you know. I was like I
Speaker 1: wicked yeah for the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
Speaker 1: think they both just like nailed it. And I love
Speaker 1: the details.
Speaker 2: I mean Arianna on the chandelier, the outfit, like I
Speaker 2: mean when it's Cynthia, like the outline of her with
Speaker 2: the witch thing, and it's like the glass is broken
Speaker 2: and it's like the circle and then you see all
Speaker 2: of oz like I was like, oh my god, but
Speaker 2: I was waiting for her to kind of fly. It
Speaker 2: felt like a roller coaster and then it was over
Speaker 2: so quick, so I'm like I got to get back
Speaker 2: in there, like I have to see that scene over
Speaker 2: and over again. But I also need to say Bowen
Speaker 2: killed it at every moment. I mean, he made the
Speaker 2: most out of this part. Like almost every single line
Speaker 2: was a banger and a laugh in a moment and
Speaker 2: like let's go get pastries. Like everything it felt it
Speaker 2: was so special.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that part from the musical, and he
Speaker 1: like stood out like I don't really remember the two
Speaker 1: friends from the musical, and like he totally I mean
Speaker 1: I can't say because I also we know him, we
Speaker 1: love him, but like it's like I thought, he made
Speaker 1: it seem like every line was improvised too, which I love.
Speaker 3: He made it seem like he was just like off
Speaker 3: the coff tossing things out there.
Speaker 2: And my favorite meme video, it's like a girl I'm
Speaker 2: looking kind of I don't know, describe what I'm doing, Like.
Speaker 3: What is that look? Confusion?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like and the writing said Glinda's uh granny
Speaker 2: seeing the hat she gave her for Christmas on like
Speaker 2: the head of the most Wanted of Oz.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the biggest criminal in the LAMB. Yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's just so creative. But yeah, the robe for Popular
Speaker 1: is insane and I love that when every the everyone
Speaker 1: doing the loathing choreo with the books. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like seeing the rehearsal videos and it is impressive
Speaker 2: and it was like two years of their lives and
Speaker 2: this like such immersive thing. But Bach is weird and
Speaker 2: I don't care. Oh well, he's a weird I was.
Speaker 2: I was asking.
Speaker 1: Last night I saw my friend who has been to
Speaker 1: Ario on a Grande's house twice her apartment in New York. Okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, so, what's the deal.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not a big Ariana person. I don't
Speaker 1: know like a lot about her, but like, see, like
Speaker 1: she left her marriage for this guy.
Speaker 3: Is he like, does he go? Does he have super
Speaker 3: hot guy energy?
Speaker 1: She goes, he goes, No, he's just like really sweet
Speaker 1: and he's like a dork and she's a dork. I
Speaker 1: and we were both like, oh, yeah, it's like she
Speaker 1: went out with like the cool guys a couple of
Speaker 1: times and was like, nah, I need to be with
Speaker 1: like a theater dork.
Speaker 3: Like he was telling me. Her apartment is in Midtown.
Speaker 1: It's like she lives where she can be near the
Speaker 1: Broadway shows like that. She's so into Broadway and I
Speaker 1: think this guy just like she loves him, and he
Speaker 1: said they're really like cute together.
Speaker 3: So I know.
Speaker 2: A clip of someone's pod that they were like, that's
Speaker 2: not acting like he feels that way, like it is
Speaker 2: weird watch him and I don't know, but no, I
Speaker 2: loved every second of it. It's so impressive, like thinking
Speaker 2: about all the work they put him to, all but
Speaker 2: the great voices. I mean, these things are sent to
Speaker 2: try us, Like, oh my god, she is such a dork.
Speaker 2: I guess, like they read the scripts and Arianna immediately
Speaker 2: called John. She was like, we have a problem because
Speaker 2: they changed the wizard will see you now to who
Speaker 2: rung that bell or something like that, and Ariana goes,
Speaker 2: you can't change that, and she was just saying how
Speaker 2: like she would be like we can't do that, Glinda
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that, or like that's not happening. Like she
Speaker 2: was kind of the the like on dramaturgy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was like doing the drama Like I feel
Speaker 3: like she was the trauma turn for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and I thought that she did a really
Speaker 1: good job. Of not just imitating Kristin Chena with like
Speaker 1: she really gave it her own spin, but not in
Speaker 1: a way where I was like, I'm really watching Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande play somebody, like I really kind of bought into
Speaker 1: her Glinda totally. Yeah, But I really thought Cynthia Arrivo
Speaker 1: was the star, even though I know it's like a
Speaker 1: double I really feel like she she's like so much
Speaker 1: the star. Like the acting was so good, her acting,
Speaker 1: her acting is very good.
Speaker 2: It's really good. Her voice is good. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Wizard and I like with the cliff, like running
Speaker 2: to the cliff edge of the cliff.
Speaker 3: It was great. It was really good. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm glad that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew you were gonna love it, but
Speaker 1: I'm glad we have come to an agreement on Wicked.
Speaker 3: We both love it. I want to see it again.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Kristin Chinaworth on Watch It Appens Lives said that she
Speaker 2: was like proud, She's always been proud of Marianna, but
Speaker 2: that she felt like it wasn't just so much that
Speaker 2: she did make it her own, but not abandon like
Speaker 2: the foundation that I think was created in the original.
Speaker 1: I will say my one little bug with it that
Speaker 1: I didn't like. One moment was when they had a
Speaker 1: Dina Manzel do the uh, like we don't need that.
Speaker 3: We know who she is.
Speaker 1: They are famous, they are legends, Like she doesn't need
Speaker 1: to do that, Like it felt like.
Speaker 2: She's a maniac. She said, I have to coming back.
Speaker 2: I think Adina Menzel is a full blown maniac, that
Speaker 2: is my guess. I think she is like a theater
Speaker 2: dork to the max. I think she's a psycho diva
Speaker 2: who's because I heard like the understudy did a good
Speaker 2: job once and she never missed a day again or
Speaker 2: something like she's just like I think, a crazy person.
Speaker 1: It just kind of made me I roll because I
Speaker 1: was just like, we we know it's you, Like you
Speaker 1: guys are legend, Like we don't need you to do this.
Speaker 3: But I guess you're right. I mean maybe, And I.
Speaker 2: Do want to say no one plays a cold, icy
Speaker 2: bitch like Michelle Yoh. I mean she when she turns
Speaker 2: around at the end in her face. It was the
Speaker 2: Martin short SV moment. It was like this one face
Speaker 2: change and I was like, this diva bitch like it.
Speaker 1: I wish if Michelle Yo could sing it would have
Speaker 1: been amazing too, because like that part does have a
Speaker 1: good part in the move musical.
Speaker 2: Just so much nuance in both of their performances constantly,
Speaker 2: like they really like lived these characters, and I like.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I forgot from when I saw the musical,
Speaker 1: which was I don't know, twenty years ago, like so
Speaker 1: long ago, Like I forgot about the whole animal subplot
Speaker 1: of like getting rid of the animals and caging the
Speaker 1: animals and all this stuff, and like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there was just like so much politics in the movie
Speaker 1: too that I was like, this is wild, this is
Speaker 1: coming out at this time, But I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk politics. I just like was like, wow, at the
Speaker 1: end of this movie, Glinda is the white lady voters.
Speaker 1: But I think I've already said that on this podcast. Well,
Speaker 1: let's get into our episode for today before that really quickly.
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Speaker 1: So come on down, amazing, come on down, great, and
Speaker 1: let's get started. All right, everybody, it's the episode title
Speaker 1: you've all been waiting to hear Parents' Nightmare. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a dramatic title for this episode. Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: twenty two. So it's the penultimate episode I believe of
Speaker 1: this season sixteen. This episode begins with Benson bringing my
Speaker 1: favorite Noah pre verbal Noah to daycare for the first time.
Speaker 1: She's like nervous. She's like, should I stay for a
Speaker 1: little while? And the lady is like, respectfully, ma'am, leave,
Speaker 1: like get the hell out of here, Like you know,
Speaker 1: the same thing they tell all parents, like it's harder
Speaker 1: for you than it is for them. But when she leaves,
Speaker 1: Noah's like crying and reaching out to her. It's really cute.
Speaker 1: But Olivia's like, I gotta go save lives.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 1: So meanwhile, in another New York City apartment, a boy
Speaker 1: who's like, I don't know if.
Speaker 3: They ever say is age?
Speaker 1: You think he's like eight or nine, is rushing to
Speaker 1: get out of the house for school, but he needs
Speaker 1: change for the penny harvest, but his mom can't find it,
Speaker 1: and he's giving her attitude and she's like, I'll bring
Speaker 1: it by the school. So then as they walk out,
Speaker 1: the little kookie Yeah, gal, she's cookie. But you know what,
Speaker 1: she strikes me as an LA mom, Like I see
Speaker 1: that she's like a real LA mom.
Speaker 3: This woman.
Speaker 1: I interact with this woman on the daily, and she's like,
Speaker 1: kind of, I don't think she looks that crazy. She's
Speaker 1: just kind of in like sweats and like a shirt
Speaker 1: and like a jacket.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But her son goes. Her son goes, are you
Speaker 1: really going to go to school like that? Like he
Speaker 1: shades her so hard, Like I don't think she looks
Speaker 1: that bad, but whatever, she's in sweats, her hair's a
Speaker 1: little bit unkempt, whatever, So the son gives her shade.
Speaker 1: She spots a friend across the street with his dad
Speaker 1: and she's like, hey, hey, would you mind taking Owen
Speaker 1: with you because I look like shit?
Speaker 3: And then she's like, I promise.
Speaker 1: To pick you up, gives him a kiss on the forehead,
Speaker 1: and then he scampers across the street and.
Speaker 2: He never say bye to your children on this show,
Speaker 2: never yes, yes.
Speaker 3: So she promises to pick him up.
Speaker 1: She gives him before Heady skimpers off across the street,
Speaker 1: but then he absolutely almost gets taken out by a cab,
Speaker 1: like immediately immediately a cab is like beep like and
Speaker 1: it's scary, and the mom doesn't even notice this is happening.
Speaker 1: She heads back into the house and like, yeah, this episode,
Speaker 1: I will say, like it's it's like a little bit
Speaker 1: more subtle on the messaging, like you're kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess she didn't notice.
Speaker 3: But I guess he didn't get hit by a cab.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's that's probably happens all the time in
Speaker 1: New York Flighty.
Speaker 2: She's like Lily Tomlin's character in Big Business. It's not
Speaker 2: like Malicia. She's not on dope, you know or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she hears a screech and a beep. She
Speaker 3: hears a.
Speaker 1: Screech and a beep and doesn't even flip her head
Speaker 1: back to be like is my kid okay, Like she's
Speaker 1: on another planet. So but like I didn't notice that
Speaker 1: really at first. Maybe she used to do acid, maybe
Speaker 1: like that was the issue. Like it up, but it's
Speaker 1: done the damage completely. But she uh heads back inside whatever.
Speaker 1: And then now the dad of the other boy.
Speaker 3: Uh to do what you could tell the bitch doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Not that there's anything wrong with it Working's not cool,
Speaker 2: but what.
Speaker 3: Are you rushing in to do? Exactly?
Speaker 1: So the other dad is holding like, uh Owen's hand
Speaker 1: and his son's hand, and they're walking down the street
Speaker 1: and Owen is like a chatty Cathy, you can tell
Speaker 1: I like this kid, he's like. Then he says hi
Speaker 1: to this guy named Clyde, who is an unhoused man
Speaker 1: talking to himself on the sidewalk. But when Owen says hi,
Speaker 1: this guy snaps right back into reality. He's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: and my man go learn something a school. Like it's cute.
Speaker 1: They've got like he's like a cute little It's like
Speaker 1: this is what Sesame Street teaches.
Speaker 3: You know your neighbors and you know, be kind or whatever.
Speaker 1: And then we see a man in a Yankee hat
Speaker 1: exit a building and starts following them.
Speaker 3: Uh. Oh not a base. He doesn't Yeah, he doesn't
Speaker 3: look like he's.
Speaker 2: This episode is also like very similar to three other episodes.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: In fact, I know the episode you're talking about, and
Speaker 1: the dad's wearing a Yankee hat in that one.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so scary man, I don't know, not scary man,
Speaker 1: just a sketchy man.
Speaker 3: An a Yankee hat is following them.
Speaker 1: Cut to Olivia's office where Tucker friend of the pod
Speaker 1: John Robert Burke is sitting waiting for Olivia, and I
Speaker 1: just see him and he's first of all hot silver
Speaker 1: fox and he's my number one for her.
Speaker 3: I wish they had worked out.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they had to not only have
Speaker 1: it work out, but like kill him. Like if he
Speaker 1: was busy, we could have shit, we could have you know,
Speaker 1: kept the door slightly ajar and he was wearing on
Speaker 1: other projects, but like, yeah, horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know the term silver fox. I don't
Speaker 2: think fox has turned silver. I'm kind of annoyed. I've
Speaker 2: only seen orange one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, what does that come from.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a I mean, there is a silver fox,
Speaker 2: but it's black and gray. Yeah, okay, cool, it's an
Speaker 2: actual animal, guys.
Speaker 3: Ooh a silver fox. Wow? Honestly, really cute.
Speaker 1: But there can be like a young silver fox like
Speaker 1: there can be like the little fox kits that are young,
Speaker 1: that are in true Oh wow, okay, yeah, a little
Speaker 1: silver again he's majestic.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So he's there because he's like, listen, one PP doesn't
Speaker 1: really want a lieutenant. Uh, they don't really want a
Speaker 1: sergeant running this place. They want a lieutenant at SVU.
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, well, I'm actually killing it. I
Speaker 1: busted Johnny d sex trafficking ring, I took down Yates
Speaker 1: when Chicago fucked it up. So what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, no, girl, it's not you. They
Speaker 1: like you. They just it's all about rank. That's what
Speaker 1: we're all about here in the NYPD. So I told
Speaker 1: him you're taking the lieutenant's exam and he's She's like,
Speaker 1: well I'm not. And he's like, just do it, like,
Speaker 1: don't make a liar out of me. And he's like,
Speaker 1: if it's not gonna be you, it's gonna be someone else.
Speaker 1: And they're flirting, like I feel it already. He's winking
Speaker 1: at her, being like, just take the exambib and he
Speaker 1: also tells her to figure out who her second in
Speaker 1: command would be and better that she picks it than
Speaker 1: it's just like they stick her with someone. So now
Speaker 1: we're at a school playground that is giving me ajuda.
Speaker 3: Like children are everywhere.
Speaker 1: One woman is taking care of ninety five kids, like
Speaker 1: trying to do school dismissal. All the kids are going nuts.
Speaker 1: The woman is like telling kids to stop bothering each other.
Speaker 1: And she's handing the guy in a Yankee hat a
Speaker 1: form to sign. And the guy's name is Carlos and
Speaker 1: he's there to pick up Owen Farhiti and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, mister Ferhiti called, and the teacher's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he did, and points like Owen's over there. So
Speaker 1: then he goes over to Owen, who does not seem
Speaker 1: to recognize him, and he's like, I'm Fabiana's friend. Your
Speaker 1: mother's told me to pick you up. I fix the
Speaker 1: sink once, and Owen's like okay, and I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1: The guy that comes over to my house to do handiwork,
Speaker 1: my kids would go with him in a second. They
Speaker 1: love him. They love him so much. They have literally
Speaker 1: his name is Onasimo. They play games where they named giraffe.
Speaker 1: They named a giraffe Onacimo. The giraffe, they like love
Speaker 1: him so much. Wait, this is like yeah kind of exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I'm just saying, if they're going to
Speaker 1: do a one to one comparison. Here, Rosie's leaving school
Speaker 1: with Onacimo no matter what, and he's not on her list,
Speaker 1: but she would go she uh So. Then they're walking
Speaker 1: down the street and Owen is like, you know, chat
Speaker 1: chat chatting away about being in Cabin eight this summer.
Speaker 3: You know, I love a summer camp. Boy. He's like,
Speaker 3: it'd be great if I was in Kevin a d.
Speaker 3: And then he tells Carlos like you're going the wrong way.
Speaker 3: Boy is really really cute. He's weird. He's like a
Speaker 3: really little cutie. He's really cute.
Speaker 1: And I looked him up and I don't think he
Speaker 1: acts anymore. Like his name is Cayden Ruperel and he
Speaker 1: was in some other show for like twenty episodes, but
Speaker 1: it ended like a few years ago, and I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything else. Maybe he's going to high school and
Speaker 1: don't get back into the acting game later. But he's
Speaker 1: so cute and I think he's quite good. I wrote
Speaker 1: it in my notes. I think he's a good actor
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it's not about stranger danger. It's like even
Speaker 2: don't go anywhere with the guy that fixes the stuff
Speaker 2: in our house. So you have to get so specific
Speaker 2: with these kids. I know it's so hard to make
Speaker 2: sure these kids don't get kidnapped, but.
Speaker 3: I will say, like, don't talk to the plumber kids.
Speaker 1: There's like a lot of protocols and stuff like, especially
Speaker 1: in public school. I mean, like you there's people that
Speaker 1: have to like come, you have to be on a list,
Speaker 1: like at Oscar School there's a code you have to bring.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, now, yeah, it's stricter.
Speaker 2: This bit should be fired if not like a non
Speaker 2: paid suspension, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also this guy is like really risking it going
Speaker 1: just into a crowded yard where so many people can
Speaker 1: see him, and he's like being given paperwork like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it seems.
Speaker 3: Like a lot, but he tells.
Speaker 1: Owen says to Carlos like we're going the wrong way,
Speaker 1: homes this way, and Carlos is like, we have to
Speaker 1: make a special a stop. It's a surprise, and Owen
Speaker 1: goes okay, And that's so true. There is nothing a
Speaker 1: kid loves more than a special surprise, Like you could
Speaker 1: open a van door and be like, Rosie special surprise.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, let's go like they love surprises.
Speaker 2: Well one hundred percent, and like whenever it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: look I have puppies in my van, that would work
Speaker 2: on me. Yeah, yes, I would go look at puppies
Speaker 2: in a van. I'm an adult.
Speaker 1: Famously, I went home with a professional poker player to
Speaker 1: hook up, but also because he told me he had
Speaker 1: a new puppy at his house and I wanted to
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, and really little, so you can actually
Speaker 1: get grown women home that way too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, it's like the surprise is almost better. Don't even
Speaker 1: say it's puppies. You could just be like surprise. They like,
Speaker 1: you know, you need to get creative. They are so
Speaker 1: excited about any surprise that you know, this guy kind
Speaker 1: of nailed it.
Speaker 3: But the music is.
Speaker 1: Telling us something is wrong. The music is like, this
Speaker 1: is not a nice guy. Like, you know, the violins
Speaker 1: are telling us done done, you know. So back at
Speaker 1: the school, Owen's mom shows up late very oh you know,
Speaker 1: like losing her mind. Mary Julie Robertson stepmom, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: and ask the teacher Hey, I'm sorry, I'm late, Like,
Speaker 1: where's Owen? And then you know, Dune done. The teacher
Speaker 1: looks very confused and this is bad news. Meanwhile, Carlos
Speaker 1: is not being nice anymore. He shoves Owen into the
Speaker 1: back of a black van. He's like, get in, get in.
Speaker 1: He's like not being a nice guy anymore. At the playground,
Speaker 1: the mom and the teacher are running and looking for him.
Speaker 1: The playground is empty, the kids have all gone home.
Speaker 1: There's no way Owen is just sitting there. It's like
Speaker 1: you sent him home with a stranger. And the teacher's like,
Speaker 1: Owen seemed to know the man, and the mom is
Speaker 1: like screaming, Owen, Owen, and we hit the credits. So
Speaker 1: now I know, it's been a long time. This has
Speaker 1: been a long intro to get to the credits. So
Speaker 1: now top of act one, the gang is on the scene.
Speaker 1: It's Coreesy, it's tomorrow Live, It's Finn Okay, they're updating
Speaker 1: live in finn The principles there doing a walk and talk,
Speaker 1: and the principal is all business. She is like not
Speaker 1: remotely upset, she is not remotely taking responsibility for anything
Speaker 1: her school has done.
Speaker 3: She's like well, apparently, like you know, this is what happened.
Speaker 1: The school got a call authorising a family for authorizing
Speaker 1: a family friend to pick up Owen, but they contacted him,
Speaker 1: mister Ferhiti, he never made the call making that authorization. Also,
Speaker 1: you should know Owen's parents are recently divorced. Okay, so
Speaker 1: in the principal's office, the mom is like, I don't
Speaker 1: let other people pick Owen up that, and then she
Speaker 1: goes that. Often it's usually Fabiana or nanny or a
Speaker 1: friend's nanny. The mom who is played by Brooke Bloom,
Speaker 1: and she looks so familiar to me. She has seventy
Speaker 1: seven credits. I can't really place her. She's been in
Speaker 1: Evil He's just not that into you shows that I like.
Speaker 1: But and she's been in another sus SUV. She's been
Speaker 1: in another sevu as well. But she's just got like familiar.
Speaker 1: She reminds me of like Hannah's mom from Hacks. You
Speaker 1: know that actress, I do, Yeah, I know, yeah, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: she's like and in the movie Happiness. I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's like, oh yes, totally an s feu alum. I'm
Speaker 1: forgetting her name. It's Jane something. I think but she
Speaker 1: gives me like her an somehow, but I don't recognize
Speaker 1: her exactly.
Speaker 3: But she's like.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, where's your phone and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't have it. I guess I can't
Speaker 1: find it. She's like looking through her bag. She's like,
Speaker 1: sometimes I space out after yoga and I leave it there.
Speaker 1: Their divorce has only been final for a few months
Speaker 1: and they're like, have there been custody issues? And she's
Speaker 1: like huge, Sam is Iranian. He wanted to take Owen
Speaker 1: there for spring break, but she wouldn't let him. So
Speaker 1: she says, you don't think he had someone from the
Speaker 1: restaurant take him And they're like, we don't even know
Speaker 1: about the restaurant, Like what I mean, you know? Like
Speaker 1: what so I guess the husband has a restaurant and
Speaker 1: she says no. A judge ordered Owen's passport to be
Speaker 1: given to me, and they're like, oh, great, so.
Speaker 3: You have the passport and he's like she goes.
Speaker 1: Sam handles the logistics, meaning the ex husband, so she
Speaker 1: doesn't even remember if he ever gave it to her,
Speaker 1: and she's like very disorganized. This woman CARIESI calls her
Speaker 1: a space cadet, which I think is very accurate. And
Speaker 1: now the dad is a suspect. You know, live is
Speaker 1: traffic copping. You go at the footage, you go get
Speaker 1: a sketch artist for the teacher who let this kid
Speaker 1: go with a stranger. You go to the restaurant, talk
Speaker 1: to the dad, take the mom to the precinct, and
Speaker 1: go to the yoga class and get the phone.
Speaker 3: So, now this is a great scene.
Speaker 1: You've heard of a bull in a china shop, but
Speaker 1: get ready for Careesi in a yoga studio.
Speaker 3: Okay. He walks in.
Speaker 1: He's talking to this like young little yogi lady receptionist,
Speaker 1: and she's like, you can't go in there. They're doing
Speaker 1: downward Dog and it's their listening the bodies right now,
Speaker 1: I know it's when you can go in. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like no one's paying attention. So Kreese just dials the number.
Speaker 1: The phone starts loudly ringing in the middle of class.
Speaker 1: Everyone is like, you know, looking annoyed, and then he
Speaker 1: goes in, grabs the phone, comes out, flashes it at
Speaker 1: the little receptionist goes, look what I.
Speaker 3: Got, and then walks out. It's funny.
Speaker 1: It's a I mean was it worth them hiring twelve
Speaker 1: extras to be in the yoga studio? Getting a location
Speaker 1: probably taking half a day, I don't know, but it
Speaker 1: was a cute little scene at Farhiti's restaurant, the dad
Speaker 1: they're talking to the Sam and he's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: call the school, and he's doing the classic stop wasting
Speaker 1: my time and get out there and find my son.
Speaker 1: And then Sam goes off on Nick like you just
Speaker 1: see an Arab man trying to steal his son. He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not Arab, by me Randian, I'm a loyal American.
Speaker 3: I'm not a terrorist.
Speaker 1: He's like, my ex wife played that card throughout the
Speaker 1: whole custody hearing, and Tomorrow starts like empathizing with the
Speaker 1: guy and being like, dude, I hear you. I've been
Speaker 1: through it, because he's been through custody stuff with Zara,
Speaker 1: and Sam's like, yeah, well, now imagine it with a
Speaker 1: white female judge and a Middle Eastern man. And he says,
Speaker 1: I told Dana that something like this would happen. So
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, so just clearly you did not send
Speaker 1: a male Hispanic man to pick up your son.
Speaker 3: And he's like, no, go find my son.
Speaker 1: And this actor is Navid Negabon who works Honey one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine credits.
Speaker 3: He was on Legion.
Speaker 1: He was also a doctor in a season eight episode
Speaker 1: called Outsider of SVU And then holy shit, I'm going
Speaker 1: through his IMDb and he was a Buonazir Homeland.
Speaker 3: Which is huge.
Speaker 1: Didn't put it together right away when I saw this
Speaker 1: episode for the first time. He is the centerpiece villain
Speaker 1: of the first two seasons of Homeland, Like do you
Speaker 1: like the name on everybody's lips was a Nazir? Okay,
Speaker 1: Like I was talking about Air when that show happened,
Speaker 1: because it was such a big show, and he was
Speaker 1: like the the you know, the the classic like bad guy.
Speaker 1: Why am I blanking on the guy who we killed
Speaker 1: in the cave? I yes, he was like an Osama
Speaker 1: bin Laden figure, but.
Speaker 2: Like as his first minutes, I mean, wow, I blanked on.
Speaker 3: Osamovan his his name's not.
Speaker 1: He's such a who now, Oh my god, But this
Speaker 1: guy is like he's like an Osama bin Laden, but
Speaker 1: like more like sophisticated, Like he doesn't live in a cave.
Speaker 3: He's like that businessman.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Even this like when you first, didn't know who's someone
Speaker 2: this interat In my head, I go, oh, Damian Lewis.
Speaker 2: And then it was like the cave and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the American who pretended who joined al Qaeda and he
Speaker 2: got ye back for like you know, espionage or something
Speaker 2: or being a trader. And then I thought Osama Balanda
Speaker 2: in the third like it took me.
Speaker 1: It was my first one cave guy, your number one
Speaker 1: cave guy.
Speaker 2: No, but the cave is what helped me get there.
Speaker 2: But I'm thinking about so I worked with the terrorist
Speaker 2: from True Lies and but in you know, the later
Speaker 2: two thousands.
Speaker 3: Let me just get his name. It's Art Malick, and so.
Speaker 2: Like when we talked on set, he was like, this
Speaker 2: is my first time not playing a bad guy.
Speaker 1: Wow. He had played terrorists since the seventies and bad
Speaker 1: guys like this was He's like, this is my first time.
Speaker 3: It's just like a dad. He was like so excited.
Speaker 2: Didn't get picked up, but he was excited to be
Speaker 2: a goofy dad. And so now I'm thinking about, you
Speaker 2: know this Art this guy, and I bet he's a
Speaker 2: bad guy in most of his career.
Speaker 3: Well, I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say one of his most recent credits is he's
Speaker 1: actually the Sultan in the live action Aladdin. Yeah that's
Speaker 1: a good guy. That is a good guy, but but
Speaker 1: it's so not body type.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, you're I know I need a
Speaker 2: Danny DeVito type.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about, Buckley?
Speaker 1: I want a short, little round man like the guy
Speaker 1: in the cartoon. But you know, that's why I won't
Speaker 1: watch it.
Speaker 2: That's why the animation to humans never works, because cartoons
Speaker 2: are better. You could do everything. It's magical, it's cute,
Speaker 2: it's it's like a whole not I just don't know
Speaker 2: how they think a live action is ever gonna. I
Speaker 2: just don't understand. You have Robin Williams is the genie. Like,
Speaker 2: it's confusing.
Speaker 1: I listened to will Smith do the like the song
Speaker 1: once on Spotify. It came up and I was like, Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm just not seeing it. It's not happening,
Speaker 1: saying that's what happens when no one tells you the truth. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So now we're at the precinct and they've got some
Speaker 1: grainy footage, but it's really not much help. This guy
Speaker 1: like knew how to keep his face away from the
Speaker 1: cameras or whatever.
Speaker 3: They show it to Dana.
Speaker 1: She doesn't recognized the guy, but his face is like
Speaker 1: completely turned. They're like, do you recognize the shape of
Speaker 1: this man's head? And so Careesi comes in with the phone.
Speaker 1: There are calls from a blocked number that have come
Speaker 1: in on the phone, and there's messages. They listen to
Speaker 1: the voicemail like they she gives you know, opens it
Speaker 1: up with her past code and it's owen going.
Speaker 3: Mom, he won't let me come home till you answer
Speaker 3: your phone. Mom, why aren't you picking up answer next time? Please? Mom?
Speaker 1: Like it's really sad because it's like why if you
Speaker 1: hadn't left your phone at yoga? Like I'm like already
Speaker 1: very you know, I'm like obviously addicted to my phone,
Speaker 1: but even sometimes in a movie, like I'll turn it off,
Speaker 1: but I'll just like check it once during just to
Speaker 1: make sure nothing's going on with my kids with the babysitter,
Speaker 1: because like I don't know, I just it's crazy to
Speaker 1: be just like leaving your phone all over the place
Speaker 1: when you just have like it's like the only way
Speaker 1: anyone could get in touch with you about your kid.
Speaker 3: But they show the footage to the dad.
Speaker 1: He also doesn't reckon he's the man, so they're like,
Speaker 1: would he They ask the dad would Owen go off
Speaker 1: with a stranger? And the Dad's like, yeah, he talks
Speaker 1: to a homeless man like they're best friends. But I'm like, sir,
Speaker 1: he and Clyde are friends, why are you being rude?
Speaker 1: And he's like he's too trusted anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at the precinct they found some It's also
Speaker 1: hard to imagine these two people as a couple because
Speaker 1: they're just so opposite sides of the spectrum in terms
Speaker 1: of personality, but you know, opposites attract I guess at
Speaker 1: the precinct they've found some other footage. They've got a
Speaker 1: plate number on the van, but also a better shot
Speaker 1: of Carlos's face and they show it to the mom
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my god, that's Javier. He's Fabiana's boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Fabiana is their part time nanny. Benson's like, let's get
Speaker 1: Fabiana on the horn. The police bust onto a playground
Speaker 1: and they call like Karsa goes up to some random
Speaker 1: boy and is like, oh wait, oh wait, but it's
Speaker 1: not him, and uh. They finally detective, what do you
Speaker 1: I know, it's like not the same height, not the
Speaker 1: same style haircut, like it's just like funny. They find
Speaker 1: Fabiana and she's like, I don't have owen today, and
Speaker 1: they're like, where's Javier And she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: and she's got a lot of attitude. They want to
Speaker 1: bring her in and she's like, I'm responsible for these
Speaker 1: two boys.
Speaker 3: I'm mid babysitting.
Speaker 1: And they're like, and Cariese goes aur ramismo or these
Speaker 1: kids can their parents can pick them up at the
Speaker 1: police station. I just like Cariese's speaking Spanish is hilarious
Speaker 1: aur ramismo. So now they're all rolling up on an
Speaker 1: apartment building that Fabiana I guests told them was where
Speaker 1: Javier lives in a basement apartment. Amara is like yelling
Speaker 1: in Spanish. Police open the door and then they bust in.
Speaker 1: There's tons of bunk beds, lots of guys are living there.
Speaker 1: One guy they got, they get them up against the
Speaker 1: bunk beds with like his hands behind his back and
Speaker 1: he's like, Javier would never kidnap anywhere anyone. He stays
Speaker 1: here sometimes and they're like, well, where does he work?
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, he quit his job because he
Speaker 1: said now he has money. Uh oh, where'd you get
Speaker 1: the money from? So we are now at the top
Speaker 1: of act two. They bring Fabiana into the police station
Speaker 1: and Fabiana is all attitude and no help. Okay, She's
Speaker 1: like kind of not work like, she's not like, oh no, Owen,
Speaker 1: how can I help. She's like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you want. I don't know where he is. I called him,
Speaker 1: he didn't answer.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't hear from him. What do
Speaker 3: you want?
Speaker 1: And the mom comes out like begging Fabiana for help,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I don't know anything, and so they
Speaker 1: bring her to interrogation. Meanwhile, a video call is coming
Speaker 1: into Dana's phone, so Olivia so smart sets her up
Speaker 1: in like the kid's corner of the office so it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like she's at the police like in the background,
Speaker 1: it just looks like there's toys behind her and stuff.
Speaker 3: And he's like, did you tell anyone? And she's like no.
Speaker 1: He demands thirty seven thousand dollars in cash and she's like, which,
Speaker 1: I don't have that, and he's like, ask mister Sam,
Speaker 1: Mister Sam has money.
Speaker 3: Ask him. She says she will, but begs to see Owen.
Speaker 1: They show us Owen, who is okay but has his
Speaker 1: wrists tied together and his arms around a pole like
Speaker 1: it's not great, and he's begging.
Speaker 3: He's like, you have.
Speaker 1: To do what Javier says, please, mom or whatever, and
Speaker 1: Javier's like, get the money. I'll te tell you where
Speaker 1: to go. If I see any cops, I'll kill him.
Speaker 1: Dana is obviously super upset and crying. Amarro goes to
Speaker 1: get the dad and now Sam is there and he's like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. I'll get the money, and Lives like
Speaker 1: you gotta let and like the mom is like you don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have that money, and he's like I can
Speaker 1: get it or whatever. So that's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a sketchy exchange too, and Lives like, let us do
Speaker 1: our jobs, and he's like you.
Speaker 3: Can't be involved.
Speaker 1: They're gonna kill Owen, and Lives like respectfully, like you
Speaker 1: can make the drop, but we're gonna be back up.
Speaker 1: You wear a wire and he's like, no, it's my son,
Speaker 1: my call, and they're like, not how it works. That's
Speaker 1: just simply not how it works. You don't just get
Speaker 1: to go make ransom drops without the cops back up.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna meet Javier. They're looking at where they're
Speaker 1: gonna meet him. It's like a basement location. There's an
Speaker 1: exit out to an alley, lots of Heidi holes, as
Speaker 1: Careese says, and Live sends the cops off with their
Speaker 1: marching orders and grabs Sam and is like, I need
Speaker 1: to prep you. So now they're in a surveillance van,
Speaker 1: which these they're not really I mean vans. They're massive,
Speaker 1: like they're like buses. You can stand up in them. Uh,
Speaker 1: and Live says, when you see your son, put down
Speaker 1: the money and you get out, no heroics. So Sam
Speaker 1: goes to do it. It's dark out, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's a nighttime now for this drop. Sam goes down
Speaker 1: into the basement. Live and Dana are there watching in
Speaker 1: the van and they hear Sam go, Xavier, please let
Speaker 1: Owen go. Everything is fine, I have your money, and
Speaker 1: then the connection goes dead. They lose video and they
Speaker 1: lose audio on him, and Live tells them move in,
Speaker 1: move in. So Sam comes out with Owen. He's okay, wow,
Speaker 1: huge sigh of relief from the mom and frankly from
Speaker 1: me and he because I like, honestly forgot how this
Speaker 1: one ended. I was like, does this one end in
Speaker 1: an accidental oopsie kind of killing?
Speaker 2: And it's yeah, four other episodes, like so that's what
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one we just the Isabelle Hubert that we
Speaker 1: just did is like very similar and that does not
Speaker 1: end good well for the child. And he says he
Speaker 1: doesn't know where Javier went. He just took Owen and left.
Speaker 1: They all go after Javier. It's a lot of them.
Speaker 1: They find like a full hole in a brick wall
Speaker 1: like Shawshank redemption style. Cares stops Xavier, who's honestly just
Speaker 1: strolling down the alley with the bag of money. He's like,
Speaker 1: not even in a run, and then he sees Caries
Speaker 1: tries to run. Omorrow heads him off. They've got him
Speaker 1: hands up. He tells him, I didn't kidnap Owen. Miss
Speaker 1: Dana paid me to take him. Ask her she planned everything?
Speaker 1: So done done. I don't know this lady. Seems like
Speaker 1: she can't even plan to get dressed in the morning.
Speaker 1: So let's see what happens. So now they're at this
Speaker 1: special children's hospital where Owen is being checked out. Now
Speaker 1: Javier is lawyered up, and he's still claiming Dana planned
Speaker 1: this whole thing. Owen is not allowed to be near
Speaker 1: his parents without a third party. The doctor comes out
Speaker 1: and says Owen is showing signs of psychological trauma. He's
Speaker 1: got wrist and ankle abrasions, but no sexual abuse. Liv
Speaker 1: wants to talk to Owen and the doctor says, tread lightly,
Speaker 1: so she goes in. Owen's like, am I in trouble?
Speaker 1: When she introduces herself as a cop, and he's like,
Speaker 1: She's like no, no, no, like, just tell us about
Speaker 1: what happened. He says, I don't really I didn't really
Speaker 1: know Javier. He was at our house like once or
Speaker 1: twice he fixed the sink. I think Fabiana knows him.
Speaker 1: And then first he said his name was Carlos, then Xavier.
Speaker 1: He said he talked mostly Javier didn't really know English,
Speaker 1: by the way, so far Javier speaking perfectly good English.
Speaker 1: He said he was nice until I wanted to go home,
Speaker 1: and then he made me get in the van. We
Speaker 1: drove around. I had to call my mom on his
Speaker 1: phone and I wrote, I think this kid is a
Speaker 1: good actor, like he's doing a great job, Like I'm
Speaker 1: believing him. He's got a lot of dialogue here and
Speaker 1: he's really handling it well. Good for him, and they're like, good,
Speaker 1: great question who dialed your mom's number?
Speaker 3: Was it you or was it him?
Speaker 1: And Owen goes Javier dialed, so he got mad when
Speaker 1: my mom didn't pick up, he said, and said she's
Speaker 1: supposed to answer, and then he said he yelled and
Speaker 1: maybe swore, he goes, I think it was swearing. It
Speaker 1: was in Spanish. So now Finn and CARIESI are asking
Speaker 1: Dana some questions like why did you ask why did
Speaker 1: Javier ask you for money and not Sam? And she
Speaker 1: was like, he doesn't really know Sam. He's our babysitter's boyfriend,
Speaker 1: and like I use him as a handyman, Like he's
Speaker 1: don't think he's interfacing with the dad that much. He
Speaker 1: seemed confident that Sam would have the money. Maybe Fabiana
Speaker 1: told him, and she's like she would never she loves Owen.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know how much she loves Owen.
Speaker 1: She literally just was like, get me out of this
Speaker 1: police precinct over and over and did not really care
Speaker 1: what was happening with little Owen. Have you talked about
Speaker 1: your divorce with her, and she goes, yes, she's my friend.
Speaker 1: I didn't want her to think cutting back on her
Speaker 1: hours was my idea. And you know, just this lady,
Speaker 1: I don't know, she's just kind of like I talked
Speaker 1: all about my divorce to her. It gets complicated, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: talk about my divorce with the babysitter. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I would do that. But I also used to
Speaker 1: have like a very big boundary between myself and babysitters.
Speaker 1: And then I got a babysitter who, you know, who
Speaker 1: I became friends with, so it is blurried. You know.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is now back with his bestie Sam. The two
Speaker 1: divorced dads club over there, and he's like, Dana was
Speaker 1: kind of shocked when you said you had the thirty
Speaker 1: seven thousand, and Sam's like, well, we're divorced. She's trying
Speaker 1: to count every penny. Why would Javier think you have
Speaker 1: that kind of money? And he goes, well, he just
Speaker 1: got to this country. He probably thinks everyone has money. Okay, interesting,
Speaker 1: take who pays the help? Amorro says he asks, and
Speaker 1: Sam goes, I do if I give Dana money at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the week. It's gone the next day,
Speaker 1: so everyone knows mister Sam is the one that has
Speaker 1: the money. So that's interesting. Like this divorce is hi.
Speaker 1: This woman she needs a good shake. So back at
Speaker 1: the hospital they're reporting back to live. Fabiana knew that
Speaker 1: the dad had cash. She hasn't lawyered up yet. Let's
Speaker 1: talk to her. So now we're in I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: this is cement room bars, but it's also not wood
Speaker 1: room blinds. I called it cinder block grates. Like it's
Speaker 1: like there's no bars, but there's cinder blocks and grates
Speaker 1: over the windows. So in cinder block greats over the
Speaker 1: windows room, Amorro and Finn are questioning Fabiana and she
Speaker 1: just keeps going I don't know, I don't know, up
Speaker 1: and down, like she just will not give any and
Speaker 1: they're like, were you pissed that your hours got cut back?
Speaker 1: And she's like, fuck no, my new job pays more.
Speaker 1: I was happy to get out of that house also,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, here we go. It's phil
Speaker 1: she goes, I love Owen, but Dana she's just too
Speaker 1: much of a chatterbox.
Speaker 3: She will not shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1: After the divorce, Sam is so cheap he wanted her
Speaker 1: to go back to work. Blah blah blah. Did you
Speaker 1: ever discuss their finances with Javier? And she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: she already knew. Dana told him in Spanish while he
Speaker 1: was handymanning about and she called him for everything. He
Speaker 1: was there all the time, drippy faucett. She goes, a cockroach,
Speaker 1: maybe it's dead, but I don't know. I thought that
Speaker 1: was really funny. And then she goes, she needs to
Speaker 1: get a man and stop calling mine. And it's like, okay, Fabiana,
Speaker 1: the friendship is fully only in Dana's eyes. Okay, Fabiana
Speaker 1: does not like Dana very much, it seems. But Fabiana goes, look,
Speaker 1: Javier needs money. He does whatever Dana says. So behind
Speaker 1: the glass Live is watching. Careesi rolls up and goes,
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it. How fucking specific thirty seven
Speaker 1: thousand dollars is. It's like, yeah, it was the first
Speaker 1: thing I thought of when they said it, like, not
Speaker 1: not thirty thousand, not forty thousand, thirty seven. So he
Speaker 1: looked up the divorce Abad Davids and Dana accused Sam
Speaker 1: of hiding exactly thirty seven thousand dollars in assets. Now
Speaker 1: they are talking to Xavier, who, by the way, as
Speaker 1: I said earlier, speaks perfect English.
Speaker 3: He's like, leave Fabiana alone. She had nothing to do
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 1: Miss Dana told him about the thirty seven thousand and
Speaker 1: then jer Javier has a lawyer in a gross suit, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not he doesn't look like he's no Buchanan.
Speaker 1: And he's like, he was hired to pick up Owen.
Speaker 1: This was an activity sanctioned by the mother. It's like
Speaker 1: they restrained him around a poll. He's traumatized, like it's
Speaker 1: not like a fun playdate role play and Cariese's like,
Speaker 1: you're calling this a playdate and he's like, some antics.
Speaker 1: She hired him to pick up the Sun and guaranteed
Speaker 1: payment through her ex and they're like, where's the proof.
Speaker 1: She paid Javier the first of two installments of five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars last Monday. I got yeah, So that's when
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, WHOA, what's going on?
Speaker 2: And she I alway love about, Like semantics is such
Speaker 2: a big word for someone who doesn't speak English. You know,
Speaker 2: it's funny how they I keep laughing about that he
Speaker 2: doesn't know nothing. He's like, ah, semantic, high level, so funny.
Speaker 1: So he also says she texted me everything about picking
Speaker 1: them up at the school, the instructions on how to
Speaker 1: sign them out, and they're like, well, those texts aren't
Speaker 1: on Javiers on his phone and he goes, oh, they're
Speaker 1: on my old phone and they're like, oh your old phone.
Speaker 3: Okay, well we're gonna need the number.
Speaker 1: And the lawyer says, give us a deal, we'll give
Speaker 1: you the phone, and they're like, you have absolutely no
Speaker 1: a leverage. Give us the fucking number. So Javier takes
Speaker 1: the bat of paper and we're getting the number. So
Speaker 1: now the cops are chatting they're gonna bring in Dana
Speaker 1: and ask her about all this shit. Now they still
Speaker 1: haven't even asked her, and if she doesn't come in,
Speaker 1: Willingly lives.
Speaker 3: Like arrest her ass.
Speaker 1: So now top of that, for Dana's like, you think
Speaker 1: I would let someone take my son and tie him
Speaker 1: up just to prove my ex as an ass. She
Speaker 1: has a great point. It's like it is a lot point,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great point. Amarro's like the ransom
Speaker 1: demand is the same amount you accuse Sam of hiding
Speaker 1: and she goes, yeah, Javier or Fabiana must have heard
Speaker 1: me talking to my lawyer. They ask her about the
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars in cash that she just withdrew, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I owed Javier for some work and they're like,
Speaker 1: is that the job you're talking about in these texts?
Speaker 1: They show her a print out of the text and
Speaker 1: she's like, I've never seen these texts before in my life,
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, these texts came from your phone,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I don't understand who else has access
Speaker 1: to your phone? I mean a whole fucking yoga class.
Speaker 1: No one except Owen, she says, sometimes plays games on them.
Speaker 1: Amarro's getting heated and he goes, so oh oh, so
Speaker 1: Owen arranged his own kidnapping and she's like, look, I
Speaker 1: misplaced my phone all the time, ask Owen. He always
Speaker 1: tells me I'm not good with things. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: this woman is too ditsy to plan this, Like it's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, but then again, we've seen women come out
Speaker 1: of it with the app act right like it was
Speaker 1: a total act that they were.
Speaker 3: You know that they're like a dits and they need
Speaker 3: help or whatever.
Speaker 1: A Damsel in Distress act and Benson is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go ask Owen about it. So back at the
Speaker 1: children's hospital, Sam is like, I want to take him home.
Speaker 1: I should be there when you talk to him. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, Dana gave us permission to talk to
Speaker 1: him alone. Is it a problem for you. He's like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's no problem. I'm just wondering what's left to be investigated.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got Javy Air red handed. Do I
Speaker 1: need to get a lawyer for Owen or a lawyer
Speaker 1: for Dana? And it's like, suddenly you'd get her a lawyer, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't get this divorce these two. Careese tells him
Speaker 1: not to worry about it. Go why don't you have
Speaker 1: a smoke and we'll call you when we're done. So,
Speaker 1: after a quick Dino fight with Careese, Owen coughs up
Speaker 1: that sometimes his dad comes over when he's not technically
Speaker 1: supposed to.
Speaker 3: He like him and Owen just talk.
Speaker 1: They play. They talk about whether his mom has boyfriends.
Speaker 1: He checks the smoke detectors for batteries. Does he ever
Speaker 1: look at her iPad?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But he takes her phone away from me. She leaves
Speaker 1: her phone at home when she goes out. They ask
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, she forgets they and sometimes if
Speaker 1: I want to play on it and she doesn't notice
Speaker 1: it's missing. And it's like, damn, this kid's gaslighting his mom.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're always losing your phone. I'm taking it sometimes.
Speaker 1: So what does he do with her phone? And he goes, oh,
Speaker 1: he goes through her emails and photos, like the kid
Speaker 1: sees a lot. Okay, Fabian is usually there sometimes when
Speaker 1: dad is there, Fabiana goes and gets me McDonald's.
Speaker 3: But I'm also not supposed to tell about that.
Speaker 1: So at the precinct, they bring Javier to the fish
Speaker 1: bowl to see Fabiana still being questioned, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I told you she's innocent. But Fabiana's prints are all
Speaker 1: over the cell phone, which I don't think.
Speaker 3: Is that crazy.
Speaker 1: If you're the nanny, maybe you touch the phone. She
Speaker 1: knew Owen's schedule, and she knew how much cash the
Speaker 1: dad had, and he's like, no, no, no, it was
Speaker 1: all miss Dana. So liv goes, no, it wasn't. A
Speaker 1: mother wouldn't do that to her own son. And it's like, girl,
Speaker 1: be for real. We've seen mothers do some crazy shit
Speaker 1: to their own side, like come on like and they're like,
Speaker 1: come clean, Javier, chance, what did Fabiana ask you to do?
Speaker 1: And then he whispers with his lawyer and uh uh oh,
Speaker 1: he wants to revise his statement and if we tell
Speaker 1: you who really set this up, what's in it for him?
Speaker 1: And Carisee's like, how about not taking the weight of
Speaker 1: a felony kidnapping charge all on your own? And then
Speaker 1: Javier says, dun, dun, it was mister Sam. He told
Speaker 1: me to say it was all miss Dana. He did
Speaker 1: all of it. Uh oh. And Carisee's like, she was
Speaker 1: the one who filed for divorce. Maybe he's trying to
Speaker 1: get back at her, and like a dad wouldn't do this,
Speaker 1: I know. They're like, oh well, duff, of course, of course.
Speaker 3: I was a dad.
Speaker 1: So liv gets off the phone with Barbara checking in
Speaker 1: from Saint Bart's like, he's so rich, where does he
Speaker 1: get the money? Like I know he went to Harvard
Speaker 1: and stuff, but he's in EIGHTYA in New York City,
Speaker 1: which I googled, and they make between eighty five and
Speaker 1: two hundred and ninety three thousand dollars a year now,
Speaker 1: two ninety three is nothing to sneeze at. But Barbara's
Speaker 1: always in like top of the line outfits. He's in
Speaker 1: Stauds skiing, he's in Saint Bart's. I'm just saying, Barbara,
Speaker 1: where's this money coming from? Are we lecturing on the side?
Speaker 1: What's happening anyway? Barba says, we can charge Javier on
Speaker 1: the kidnapping, but in terms of anyone else, Javier's word
Speaker 1: is no good, and Finn's like, oh man, this guy,
Speaker 1: Javier is just a fall guy. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: if Dana says she's innocent, why don't we make her
Speaker 1: prove it. So cut to them wiring up Dana. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're putting a wire on her, and she's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm supposed to say to him, Like
Speaker 1: he knows I've been talking to the police. She also
Speaker 1: has she thinks there's no way Sam did this, Like
Speaker 1: she thinks that she's just gonna go in there and
Speaker 1: it's gonna like be a cash conversation and then like
Speaker 1: she'll walk out and be like, see nothing there. So
Speaker 1: Dana goes into the restaurant to talk to Sam, and
Speaker 1: he's talking about how business has been bad, and she's like,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? The cops think I set
Speaker 1: this all up. And he's like, you can't even balance
Speaker 1: your check book and she's like tell them that, which
Speaker 1: is funny because I think balancing your check book's not
Speaker 1: even like a thing anymore. He goes, I can't fix
Speaker 1: everything for everyone. I had to fire three people. You're
Speaker 1: bleeding me dry with the alimony, and the wife is
Speaker 1: putting on a great performance, like she's like, we may
Speaker 1: never get our son back, and he says it's yeah alimony,
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, yeah, like there because they're like and
Speaker 1: they're talking about sending him to I think I forgot
Speaker 1: to mention this. They're talking about sending him to a
Speaker 1: foster home. So I don't know if that's real or
Speaker 1: if that's just for the the wire like the sting,
Speaker 1: but like he should be more concerned about that, And
Speaker 1: he's like, it's your fault anyway. If you'd had your
Speaker 1: phone with you and Hobby are called, the police would
Speaker 1: have never been involved. He called, and you weren't there
Speaker 1: for him. Owen needs protection. He's too trusting. She goes,
Speaker 1: I don't want him growing up in fear. There are
Speaker 1: other ways of protecting him, and the dad's like, you're
Speaker 1: late for pickups. You forget to schedule the nanny Half
Speaker 1: the time he's alone at the apartment. I was actually
Speaker 1: trying to protect him. And she's like, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you had him kidnapped. And he's like, it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be for thirty minutes to scare him, to teach
Speaker 1: him a lesson, so he doesn't walk away with strangers
Speaker 1: to wake you up, so you pay more attention. It's like,
Speaker 1: if it was supposed to be a stranger, don't pick
Speaker 1: someone he's met a couple of times. That's all it takes.
Speaker 1: Like really, And she's not that I agree with this
Speaker 1: as an exercise in any way, but he didn't really
Speaker 1: go with a full stranger. It is his nanny's boyfriend.
Speaker 1: She says, what have you done? And he says, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean for it to go this far, and
Speaker 1: she goes, don't say another word, and she shows him
Speaker 1: that she's wearing the wire.
Speaker 3: Like they do.
Speaker 1: Still respect each other, these two, and she's like, just stop,
Speaker 1: just stop talking like quietly. She's just like and then
Speaker 1: she's like, the police said this would exonerate you. I
Speaker 1: didn't actually think you did it. So she is like
Speaker 1: such a like she went in there thinking he's totally innocent.
Speaker 1: This will just be he'll be exonerated and we could
Speaker 1: just blame this all on Javier, who's the real bad
Speaker 1: guy here. I guess, so, I guess you're going now,
Speaker 1: you're definitely going back to work, sweetheart. And she holds
Speaker 1: Sam's hand and she says, this is not what I
Speaker 1: wanted and he's like me neither, and then Tomorrow takes
Speaker 1: him in. So now at Benson's office, Dana walks in
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, can I take Owen home now?
Speaker 1: And Benson's like, well, the cork gave you custody, but girl,
Speaker 1: are you good? Like can you take care of him?
Speaker 1: And She's like, I love Owen, but I am afraid
Speaker 1: to do this alone. Sam's a good father, Owen needs him.
Speaker 1: Can you just tell the DA as if, like they
Speaker 1: can just call this whole thing off. This has been
Speaker 1: like a full day of police police like legwork, resources,
Speaker 1: a surveillance van.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on.
Speaker 1: Benson's like, girl, it isn't your decision. Like the DA
Speaker 1: complete it down to unlawful imprisonment, which is a misdemeanor,
Speaker 1: but he could get six months and she's like, how
Speaker 1: will I support myself?
Speaker 3: Like, you're in New York City. Even if he gave you.
Speaker 1: The thirty seven thousand, girl, I don't know how much,
Speaker 1: how long that would even last? You, Like, You've got
Speaker 1: to get a job. And that's what Live says. She goes,
Speaker 1: you got to figure it out. You got to get
Speaker 1: a job. And she's like, it's been so long, I
Speaker 1: don't know where to start. And he's she goes, so
Speaker 1: learn you have a child. It's not about you. You
Speaker 1: need to be the parent, not Owen. And Benson has
Speaker 1: zero time for this shit. She's like, I have a
Speaker 1: little kid with health problems who I leave at daycare
Speaker 1: because and I run a fucking squad busting pedophiles, Like
Speaker 1: I'm busy, I work, And now it's.
Speaker 3: Finally she should be a real housewive. I know this
Speaker 3: is the thing, this is the thing, the real Ja. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the real gen from the OC. She is Gen from
Speaker 3: the OC. I don't know he pays the bills. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess I just thought my rent would be paid,
Speaker 1: like she doesn't know. And they also looked like they
Speaker 1: were coming out of like a nice brownstone or at
Speaker 1: least a nice apartment, so I don't know. It's syncing
Speaker 1: in for Dana finally, and she's like, all right, maybe
Speaker 1: I do have to like get my shit together and
Speaker 1: like stop smoking weed and you know, going to yoga
Speaker 1: every day because it's made me into a.
Speaker 3: Person that's unreliable.
Speaker 1: And Owen and Sonny have a cute little goodbye, and
Speaker 1: Owen and Dana leave, and now they're all standing around
Speaker 1: wondering if that's the best thing for Owen to go
Speaker 1: with Dana, and Benson's like, she's gonna get her act together.
Speaker 1: I think this really was a wake up call for her.
Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully Jesus. Benson says, I have to go
Speaker 1: and and Finn, you hold down the fort.
Speaker 3: It'll be good practice.
Speaker 1: And Finn's like, They're like, what is she talking about
Speaker 1: good practice. Finn's like, well, if she moves up to lieutenant,
Speaker 1: she wants me to take the sergeant exam and be
Speaker 1: the number two. And Tomorrow's like, whoa, congrats, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested, not gonna happen, and then the camera
Speaker 1: zooms in on Tomorrow just ambitiously looking towards Liv's office,
Speaker 1: and that's dick Wolf baby, And you know one of
Speaker 1: the episodes where no rapes, no murders, just a ditzy
Speaker 1: mom figuring out how to get her life together. And
Speaker 1: now a dad with a dumb, dumb idea going to jail.
Speaker 1: But he's like gonna lose his restaurant. So I don't
Speaker 1: really know what's gonna happen to the whole family.
Speaker 2: Well, and Javier is also gonna go to prison, like
Speaker 2: that is a kidnapping.
Speaker 1: And here's my question for you, does Fabian have anything
Speaker 1: to do with it?
Speaker 3: Or no?
Speaker 1: Do you think Fabiana sent the text or do you
Speaker 1: think he sent the text or like she was in
Speaker 1: it to get the money with Xavier or or no.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I wonder how Hannah was being
Speaker 3: such a bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she knew, Yeah, because how else did the
Speaker 1: dad really get in touch with the And he's the
Speaker 1: one that would send her to McDonald's to go get stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he like did shady stuff in the house. Yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: is team dad. Yeah, well they know who holds the bag, right,
Speaker 1: so's if he's paying. But anyway, that's that on that
Speaker 1: parent's nightmare. I mean, we've seen worse parents' nightmares on
Speaker 1: the show. I'm glad she got him back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess, you know, for the dad, the
Speaker 2: kid will be scared of everyone in his life, so
Speaker 2: that's good, POSI.
Speaker 1: There's definitely like a happy medium between don't talk to
Speaker 1: any stranger ever and be prepared to be kidnapped at
Speaker 1: any time, and the MoMA leaves her phone everywhere and
Speaker 1: doesn't even have pennies for the penny harvest lying around,
Speaker 1: you know, like she can't find anything in her house.
Speaker 1: She's a mess. But there's a happy medium. They got
Speaker 1: to get to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so I'm gonna move it along. We're going
Speaker 2: to Missouri, everyone, Uh, let's go. It's a town called Troy,
Speaker 2: about an hour northwest of Saint Louis, And this is
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. So right around the episode, a six year
Speaker 2: old boy goes through a four hour stage kidnapping because
Speaker 2: his family thought he was being too nice to people
Speaker 2: he didn't know.
Speaker 3: So you got, God, you gotta make sure to get
Speaker 3: that out of them.
Speaker 2: And like always, the most dangerous person to the you know, children,
Speaker 2: is their family. Four people were involved in the plot,
Speaker 2: so it's the boy's mom, the boy's grandmother, the boy's aunt,
Speaker 2: and then a coworker of the aunt that they finangled
Speaker 2: into this plot and they were all charged with kidnapping.
Speaker 3: So it didn't go well. They wanted to tears. It's
Speaker 3: really little.
Speaker 2: It's like that actually wrote that they wanted to educate
Speaker 2: at this child. But six only six, like only being
Speaker 2: on the planet for six years, and it's like eurpiss,
Speaker 2: he's nice. It's so this, yeah, it's really fucked and
Speaker 2: this enraged me. And like you said, we cover such
Speaker 2: heinous crimes, but this one really like got me going.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the press release from the sheriff's office said that
Speaker 2: the family felt they did nothing wrong. Charlie James, one
Speaker 2: of the defense attorneys, said, according to the Guardian, that
Speaker 2: the family used extremely poor judgment in setting this all up,
Speaker 2: but that the actions were born out of an intense
Speaker 2: and sincere love for the child and the desire to
Speaker 2: protect him from others by teaching him to protect himself.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a lawyer. They just wanted to frighten
Speaker 2: the child. You could have taken him to you know,
Speaker 2: Six Flags Halloween Halloween Nights or whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, it's like there are a lot of house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would sooner you show a kid a documentary about
Speaker 1: a kid being kidnapped or something than like, then just
Speaker 1: actually do a causeplay of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, show him taken? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, ransom?
Speaker 3: What else can you show it to get me son? Yes? Ransom.
Speaker 2: So they just wanted to frighten the child. Okay, So
Speaker 2: I was thinking of another kidnapping site. Shit, oh maybe Room,
Speaker 2: that might be one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen Room. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: even showroom.
Speaker 1: Room is so scary, well better than what's happened to
Speaker 1: traumatize it.
Speaker 2: So they frightened this kid. They didn't see it as terrorizing.
Speaker 2: But we'll be the judges of that. So what went down.
Speaker 2: The boy was lured on a Monday into a pickup
Speaker 2: truck after getting off his school bus. He was then
Speaker 2: tied up, threatened with a gun, taken to a basement
Speaker 2: where his pants were removed, moved, and he was told
Speaker 2: he was gonna be sold into sex slavery.
Speaker 3: What the fuck? I know it's I'm laughing because I'm
Speaker 3: kids don't even know what sex is. What are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 2: The Coast of the coworker, Nathan went fearavid. He also
Speaker 2: told the kid that he would never see his mom
Speaker 2: again and also threatened to nail him to the wall
Speaker 2: of a shed. And this is according to the sheriff
Speaker 2: by way of CNN. And also this Nathan guy's only
Speaker 2: twenty three, so this is kind of horrifying. It's horrifying.
Speaker 2: So the boy starts crying. The guy takes the gun
Speaker 2: out to be like, well, I'm gonna scare you, and
Speaker 2: he had a box of bullets. He showed him to
Speaker 2: us plastic bags to tie the kid's hands and feet
Speaker 2: together and then use the jacket to cover the boy's
Speaker 2: head so he couldn't see.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But it's like you obviously had this inside of you,
Speaker 2: Like you could have just kidnapped him, and it's been
Speaker 2: like an okay, chill scenario, like you obviously are an
Speaker 2: extreme like this is the most extreme version of the
Speaker 2: fake kidnapping again, blinding, taking pants off, threatening sex, slavery,
Speaker 2: and like and that you'll be taken forever like it is.
Speaker 2: I guess she picked the right guy to do the crime. Deranged, deranged. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so then when he was taken to the basement, you
Speaker 2: know the kid had this jacket on his head, but
Speaker 2: the aunt is the one who took the pants off
Speaker 2: the nephew.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. So it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So once he was unbound, he was told to go upstairs,
Speaker 2: and there his family was ready to lecture him about
Speaker 2: stranger danger. So he comes up, he's in his own
Speaker 2: home and they're like, you dumb bitch, stranger danger. And
Speaker 2: there's a lot of evidence they kept updating each other
Speaker 2: using their own phones the whole time, but that makes
Speaker 2: sense because they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.
Speaker 3: They were all charged.
Speaker 2: So the twenty five year old mother, Elizabeth Hupp, was
Speaker 2: charged with felony kidnapping and felony abuse and neglect of
Speaker 2: a child, the fifty year old grandmother, Rose Brewer, and
Speaker 2: the aunt, Denise Crowtail. The grandma is fifty eight and
Speaker 2: the aunt was thirty eight. I don't know why. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is like a Cosmo article. I need to give
Speaker 2: everyone's ages, but it is interesting for some reason. And
Speaker 2: then the coworker, like, I said, Nathan, he was only
Speaker 2: twenty three. And they were all charged in addition with
Speaker 2: felonious felonius felonius restraint. But I don't felonious is correct. Okay,
Speaker 2: I thought that was just a name, and then I
Speaker 2: felt weird. Uh, we have felonious restraint. I don't like it.
Speaker 2: It makes me feel dirty. He was put in protective
Speaker 2: custody after he told school officials what happened to him.
Speaker 3: So, thank god.
Speaker 1: Let you imagine a teacher tells you. Let you tell
Speaker 1: you're a teacher, and a kid tells you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in a back of a taluk with a
Speaker 1: gun and then I went down into a basement and
Speaker 1: I was tied up and my pants were taken off,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Thank god?
Speaker 1: He told someone. I was about to ask you, how
Speaker 1: did they even get caught?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that happened on a Monday, and then on
Speaker 2: Wednesday he told his teacher. The school contacted child Services.
Speaker 2: They obviously all pled not guilty, because they're morons. The
Speaker 2: grandmother Rose was sentenced after entering an Alfred plea to
Speaker 2: misdemeanor child in dangerment and the plea. This kind of
Speaker 2: plea is where a defendant maintains innocence but acknowledges that
Speaker 2: prosecutors have enough evidence for a conviction.
Speaker 3: So love that kind of vibe. The other women, the
Speaker 3: mom and the aunt.
Speaker 2: They pled guilty so felony child endangerment charges and received
Speaker 2: five years probation. I could not find any information on
Speaker 2: Nathan or the sun, like whether he went back to
Speaker 2: live with these people, like at this point, do you
Speaker 2: go back to these lunatics or do you go into
Speaker 2: foster care? Like is it better to be? Like I
Speaker 2: don't even know. I couldn't find any information.
Speaker 1: They don't even actually release the kid's name, so I'm
Speaker 1: sure there was some sort of gag order like with
Speaker 1: this case.
Speaker 2: And yeah, this Nathan got nothing about him. He might
Speaker 2: changes it, not in an inmate lot. Nothing. And this
Speaker 2: is interesting because this is so much of like news
Speaker 2: where everything was like charge charge, charge, we got them,
Speaker 2: we got and then no. Then then there's no follow up,
Speaker 2: like what were the convictions? What happened to this kid?
Speaker 2: You know, like nothing, that's all just articles about the
Speaker 2: charges and so.
Speaker 1: And it was twenty fifteen, so it was nine years ago.
Speaker 1: So that kid's really like only fifteen right now or
Speaker 1: something like.
Speaker 2: Still young, still young, So maybe that's why it's good.
Speaker 2: And maybe at eighteen he'll write a book and tell
Speaker 2: us about his life.
Speaker 3: Jesus.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like you want to say, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you don't want him to be in the
Speaker 1: foster system.
Speaker 3: But also like what is this name? Happy with these people?
Speaker 3: What are these people gonna how what? How old are they?
Speaker 1: Maybe there's other lessons? How are they gonna teach you
Speaker 1: about safe sex? Like get someone to fake a pregnancy immediately?
Speaker 2: Like what Yeah, maybe there's like relatives or like family
Speaker 2: friends that can take him or something. Yeah, Like I wonder,
Speaker 2: but I don't know what an end up happening to
Speaker 2: him or Nathan so. And then under the women you know,
Speaker 2: uh served any jail time. I wonder whose fucking idea
Speaker 2: it was. It was the mom's. The mom was the
Speaker 2: mom's idea, and she got everyone involved.
Speaker 3: Fuck crazy. I heard about this case.
Speaker 1: I feel like I heard about it, like vaguely, but
Speaker 1: I don't think I remember how horrible it was. I
Speaker 1: think I remember like, oh, they kidnapped him or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like not the.
Speaker 2: No, you know, what I remember is the one where
Speaker 2: it was like they put him in a they put
Speaker 2: a kid in a hot air balloon and it was
Speaker 2: like a hot air balloon hoax. Yes, Like I remember
Speaker 2: that I don't remember this at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Hot air balloon hoax.
Speaker 1: I think I read about this one too, though they
Speaker 1: never made an s view about the Hot air Balloon oaks.
Speaker 3: Maybe they did, Maybe they did.
Speaker 2: All right, I mean, I guess that SV for still
Speaker 2: not doing a Housewives one. It's like so annoying, so
Speaker 2: much crime. There's so many bad people, so many do
Speaker 2: I'm used to get it together. Give us the crossover
Speaker 2: of our dreams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a mysterious black eye stealing money from old people.
Speaker 1: There's so much you can do, all right, Well, no guests, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well this episode will We'll roll right into our post
Speaker 1: mortem baby thoughts. Thoughts thoughts, well, no guests, just a
Speaker 1: crazy episode of people playing weird.
Speaker 2: Just grateful that the kid's alive because I thought it
Speaker 2: was gonna be the dead kid episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, in both, In both cases, I'm glad that this
Speaker 1: other kid didn't get more. But honestly, he's traumatized the
Speaker 1: kid in real life.
Speaker 2: Oh but like, oh yeah, sorry, I'm not thinking of
Speaker 2: the real case.
Speaker 3: I'm not thinking of the real of course.
Speaker 1: Of course, But like, yeah, it's always nice to have
Speaker 1: an episode where no one dies, you know, or is
Speaker 1: uh or is you.
Speaker 2: Know, no, the kid will never trust again or he'll
Speaker 2: think that that's like normal interactions and like you know,
Speaker 2: people will be able to mistreat him forever, like I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, or like yeah, or the kid on the episode,
Speaker 1: it's like, do you really know my mom?
Speaker 3: Are you?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think like you have to move out of the
Speaker 1: city or something like you have to move that kid
Speaker 1: to a farm. I don't know, Like that's not that's
Speaker 1: I don't believe well. I mean, she's not going be
Speaker 1: able to afford to live in the city.
Speaker 3: That woman. She lives in a nice brownstone.
Speaker 1: She's got to go back to work for the first
Speaker 1: time in what eight years since this kid was born.
Speaker 3: He was in his restaurant when he goes to jail.
Speaker 2: I know, but it's kind of just like I don't
Speaker 2: trust rich people when they say that, they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm gonna do, and it's like
Speaker 2: I bet she has. Look it's like Shannon from the OC,
Speaker 2: Like Shannon's always like, I don't have money, and it's
Speaker 2: like it seems like you had sixty K to just
Speaker 2: pay out right now, I don't have money. Did you
Speaker 2: not spend two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's or it's like Erica Jane, Oh my god, and
Speaker 2: it's like she is still in a three bedroom house.
Speaker 2: So I feel so if this woman's in a brownstone
Speaker 2: and she's like just flighty and not, I bet she
Speaker 2: has family money and she goes to yoga.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't buy it.
Speaker 2: But I think she should get a job so she
Speaker 2: could be a functioning member of like her body and
Speaker 2: time on this planet Earth.
Speaker 3: Because she is, she's got to.
Speaker 1: Get it together and she might have adult ADHD or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's not remembering her phone anywhere, she doesn't
Speaker 1: remember appointment that we gotta get.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, hold on.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe there's So I went out with some old
Speaker 2: friends comics to like a four am bar that I love,
Speaker 2: had pizza puffs like so happy, and then a physical
Speaker 2: altercation breaks out because some of the guys won't book
Speaker 2: one of the guys on like the comedy show, and
Speaker 2: a chair was thrown. Security got involved, and I go, wow,
Speaker 2: nothing has changed, Get me out of here.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, drama a fight, I know, you know,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa, Well that's those are the kind of people
Speaker 1: that this man is trying to protect his son from,
Speaker 1: and that's why he's sending a random handyman to kidnap him.
Speaker 1: I don't know the postmortem?
Speaker 3: What an idiot?
Speaker 1: Don't be the worst parent ever like that? This is
Speaker 1: like a hard Did you ask one friend for advice?
Speaker 1: Like why? Like I did?
Speaker 2: Not one person in the real life fan Like not
Speaker 2: one person's like I don't know if this is a
Speaker 2: good idea. Wait do you think like no second guessing
Speaker 2: this restaurant tour like the boyfriend he asked to get
Speaker 2: in couldn't be like I don't know, man, really yeah,
Speaker 2: And then try to blame the woman, being like you
Speaker 2: didn't answer your phone and it's like, yeah, maybe kidnap her, yeah,
Speaker 2: take her a lesson. But it's like then to blame
Speaker 2: her because she didn't answer the phone and the cops
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been involved, and it's like what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you could have shown him like a
Speaker 1: documentary about a kid getting kidnapped and getting murdered like that,
Speaker 1: and that would have still been too traumatic to show
Speaker 1: a kid, but better than what happened.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 1: Ransom, Yeah, yeah, ransom, get made back?
Speaker 3: My son.
Speaker 1: Tell you about that? Did I ever talk you about
Speaker 1: that? That used to be at UCB when I took improv classes.
Speaker 1: That was a big game that you would play. Like
Speaker 1: you would have to like all your class would get
Speaker 1: into like a circle and they would make serious like
Speaker 1: be serious like no smiles, and you would have to
Speaker 1: go up to them and say give me back my
Speaker 1: son and make them laugh. You'd have to do it
Speaker 1: in like a way. I think it was like to
Speaker 1: teach commitment and stuff, like you'd have to be like,
Speaker 1: give me back my son, give me.
Speaker 3: Back my son.
Speaker 1: Like you have to just like do it in as
Speaker 1: many ways as you could and try.
Speaker 3: To get people to laugh. I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a fun little game. But okay, fuck
Speaker 2: that family weirdos. Yeahs Yeah, poor King. I hope he
Speaker 2: gets out of that dumb town.
Speaker 3: Me too, Oh my god. Uh. But this week, let's
Speaker 3: move on to our what would Sister Peg do our?
Speaker 1: This is our weekly segment where we give you guys
Speaker 1: an article, a book, a documentary, anything.
Speaker 3: To give you more information about what we talked about.
Speaker 1: And this week for WWSPD, I wanted to point you
Speaker 1: to an article on the Scholastic website that's called talking
Speaker 1: about Stranger Safety. I think a lot of people wonder
Speaker 1: how to talk to their kids about talking to strangers.
Speaker 1: What's being polite, what's being you know, dangerous? And you
Speaker 1: know they don't want to scare their kids, but they
Speaker 1: want to talk about and there's different ways to do
Speaker 1: it in different age groups. And this article kind of
Speaker 1: outlines all of the strategies for talking about that, like
Speaker 1: based on the age of your kid, plus talking points
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