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Speaker 1: right there, Austin Trout looking to make history. Former boxing

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Speaker 1: world champion now fighting for the bare knuckle belt. Luis

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Speaker 1: Palomino in your future. No easy task, but Austin this transition,

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Speaker 1: you're one to know. You beat Diego Sanchez last year.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's got to be asking you what's the difference when

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Speaker 1: I mean, it gets wild in that circle, it does.

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Speaker 2: The biggest difference is boxing is, in my opinions, pure science.

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Speaker 2: BKFC is more fighting. You know, you gotta have your

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Speaker 2: science in there. The smarter fighter wins in my opinion still,

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Speaker 3: Know you're gonna end up scrapping, uh sooner or later.

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Speaker 2: And whether you can take a punch to keep going

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Speaker 2: is you know you're gonna find out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, indeed we're certainly going to find out. A

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Speaker 1: BKFC fifty seven, Hollywood, Florida, and we mentioned Luis Palomino,

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Speaker 1: So Austin, I don't need to tell you his accomplishments.

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Speaker 1: He's the powerfer pound king in BKFC nine to zero

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Speaker 1: So from you coming with the boxing brain, and let's

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Speaker 1: be honest, you were a crafty, slick, southpaw, pure boxer.

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Speaker 1: How do you deal with this monster come Friday night?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to fight his ass, right, Like I said,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's coming in. In my opinion, his best

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Speaker 3: So not that we want to fight.

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Speaker 2: His fight, but we can and we will if we must,

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Speaker 2: and I think we'll.

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Speaker 3: Be better at it than he is in this. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna show him not only the great but

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Speaker 3: So you know, decisions ain't my friend.

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Speaker 1: How did you end up here? That's really what I

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Speaker 1: want to know, because you're you're on a six fight

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Speaker 1: seen you last calendar year. You've been actually jumping around

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Speaker 1: the globe for opportunities when that call rings and the

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Speaker 1: gotta take the gloves off though, you gotta fight that

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Speaker 1: It's not for everybody, and also not every boxer can

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Speaker 1: make this transition. What was that conversation like for you?

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Speaker 2: So you know, I was a fan of it, and

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Speaker 2: I was telling the boys, you know, watching this bearing

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Speaker 3: Call was like he would you do better? Up? It's like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So as you said, I'm on a six fight winn Street.

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Speaker 2: You know, my last fight that didn't go my way

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Speaker 3: And I don't feel old. I'm just caughting what everybody

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Speaker 3: Now I'm about to get a bare knuckle championship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you fought in four different countries in your last

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Speaker 2: I hate having to get in shape, but I.

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Speaker 2: So now you know, I the discipline between fights has

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Speaker 3: You can't fight.

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Speaker 2: Like from middleweights down, you know what I mean, not

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Speaker 3: If you can't beat me, you don't get a spot

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Speaker 2: I got a good group of guys, and although I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for real?

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Speaker 1: From an accomplishment standpoint, You've been the junior middleweight champion

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Speaker 1: You've done some things, Austin, and you've done it, by

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Speaker 1: remember when you won your world title in Mexico of

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like winning this belt would make

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Speaker 3: You know, two sport, two time world champion, that's not

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Speaker 2: And even if the BKFC is a new baby, but

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Speaker 2: It's it's all ods on this title, because again, to

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Speaker 1: That's not bad, you know, not bad at all, bad

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Speaker 1: I've seen you do some broadcasting work with BKFC and

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what you said it right there. It bridges

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Speaker 2: You know, you got somebody who will maybe faster, have

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Speaker 2: He's never been the most skilled guy in the ring,

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Speaker 1: Now, did you get any pushback in house? Literally your

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm still still having these conversations because

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Speaker 2: I don't want to put a number on it, because

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Speaker 2: if I'm killing it and I'm past that number but

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: You know all these young boys that received ass whippers

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to get too far ahead, but

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Mike Perry, who, to his credit, has turned

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Speaker 1: If you become walterweight champion, You're really not that far

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Speaker 2: Mike Perry, I'm not even one hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 3: That'd be like going up down there. You know, four

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Speaker 1: I think, he's around that one seventy area. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, I'm down. I ain't

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Speaker 1: Well, we've seen boxing crossovers before I know e J

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Speaker 1: Smith want a bare knuckle fight. Pauly Malnaji fought an

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Speaker 2: Well, I think my jab worked just great in the

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Speaker 3: The jab, I feel like it is almost key.

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Speaker 1: Do you is the bare knuckle aspect? Does that? What

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Speaker 2: So that's one thing I learned from the last fight.

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Speaker 3: I learned that, you know, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't You don't need to really sit on your punches.

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Speaker 2: If you hit them in the right place, they're gonna

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Speaker 3: It was an arm punch.

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Speaker 2: I didn't put nobody into it, nothing, and he dropped

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Speaker 1: You know, now, can the phone's still ring in the

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Speaker 1: boxing game? Are you hoping it will even with a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely hope it will. You know, shout out

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Speaker 2: see what I have to do. As far as obligations go.

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Speaker 2: As a newly crowned champion.

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Speaker 1: How do you look at what you've accomplished in boxing?

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Speaker 2: Well, and to be honest, no, I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: undefeated world champion, but I never got that undisputed Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: looking back, you know that I had a good career.

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Speaker 2: Have I have a good career. It's nothing to shy at,

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Speaker 2: It's nothing to be ashamed of at. It's something to

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, I have some good wins, but a

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Speaker 4: codo where but you know I was in Panama fighting

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Speaker 2: I went to Canada for the Canadian Haitian Champion, you know,

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Speaker 1: Well, you fought well on a lot of those. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you know those are the stories

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Speaker 2: But you know what, being a BKFC champion helps me

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Speaker 2: like you said, I get boat Charles n for their money.

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Speaker 3: I was whooping hers ass.

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Speaker 2: I was probably one of the last people besides Triple

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Speaker 2: G that walked Canelo down for twelve rounds. So you know,

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Speaker 2: none of that's nothing to shy. I'm proud of what

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And when we talk about that twenty twelve night

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Speaker 1: what was it supposed to be Codo Canelo next. I

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Speaker 1: mean you spoiled that. Yeah, pressure on you. You had showtime,

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Speaker 1: all access cameras following you. You really turned out that night.

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Speaker 1: When you look back, what are your most proud of?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I called, I told everybody was like, man,

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Speaker 2: Codo ain't winning this fight, And I'm telling y'all right now.

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Speaker 2: I look, you know, everything worked out as as as

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Speaker 2: funniest moments of that night was the WBA. Usually when

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Speaker 2: because they don't know whose hands are gonna change. So

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Speaker 2: you're taking pictures with the former champions belt and you

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Speaker 2: do all that, but you give it back. They thought

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Speaker 2: The once I won, man, they had to give me

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Speaker 2: a new best.

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Speaker 3: So now I got multiple multiple WBA World Tide of belts.

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Speaker 3: That was That was cool. I believe to me, you

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, same same story entering Friday. As long as

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Speaker 1: you believe you got a huge opportunity on beating Luis

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Speaker 1: Palomino in front of you. Let's close with this. What

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Speaker 3: The Baboon, right, the Baboon. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: This guy had a very decorating them in a career,

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Speaker 1: by the way, but what he's done in b KFC

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know, he's got a good mix

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Speaker 2: of very he's good, good for footwork, good speed, good power,

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Speaker 2: you know, and and he's got that that weird rhythm

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Speaker 2: stand out. I think for me dictating the pace, dictating

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Speaker 3: Stepping to him and not letting him.

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Speaker 2: Dictate when he wants to attack, it's gonna be key.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a lot of mind games that we're

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Speaker 1: Hey, it gets dirty in the clinch there in this

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Speaker 1: sport at Austin. I don't know if.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, yeah, absolutely in fact that the first

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Speaker 3: He didn't want to hold me no more.

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Speaker 1: Man, there it is Austin, no doubt. Trout by the way,

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to chat with you, one of the

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Speaker 1: good guys in this combat sports game. I wish you

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Speaker 1: well Friday night, BKFC fifty seven, the welterweight title on

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Speaker 3: Them, Thank you man having going. Brian