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Speaker 1: this is family right, This is family right here We've
Speaker 1: been waiting for this episode for a minute.
Speaker 2: He's been stirring a little bit of trouble on the internet.
Speaker 2: I mean, so, I think we caught him at the
Speaker 2: right time. We caught him at the right time. But
Speaker 2: all jokes aside. This is family, somebody who was very
Speaker 2: pivotal in the you know, the ascension of the Rockefeller family,
Speaker 2: the Rockefeller brand. Today we are joined by Brooklyn's very
Speaker 2: own legendary.
Speaker 1: Memphis believes in the appreciate appreciate my god.
Speaker 4: What's up, man, man, same grind, different time.
Speaker 1: Man. We've been trying to We've been trying to connect
Speaker 1: for a minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, but we had to after you pick side.
Speaker 3: Got it got derailed? Yeah, where he puts out, I
Speaker 3: was like, the side that's available spot, I'm dead.
Speaker 1: You know. It was funny because I supposed to.
Speaker 2: It was like yo what I was like, Yo, what
Speaker 2: you mean?
Speaker 1: Man? He said, Nah, I'm coming up there. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I had.
Speaker 4: To because I understand you.
Speaker 3: They call you over your more but they said you
Speaker 3: said you didn't go to the show.
Speaker 4: I forgot why you said you didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't go because I didn't. I felt like, that's
Speaker 2: to me from what I see. That's that's Jay's last New.
Speaker 4: York moment, you think so?
Speaker 1: I think so? Because what do you do after that?
Speaker 4: Me? Blizzle the Blizzle Tour come in age thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred and thirty four days after five three four? Yo, yo,
Speaker 1: bring him back out. I'm talking all right, that's that fire.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Jay's like his show. Oh yeah, nah,
Speaker 1: I think that that's them. That's like you didn't want
Speaker 1: to see it. People said you was full of ship
Speaker 1: for that? Do you do you take his history?
Speaker 3: No, I believe what the people saying. I'm with the people.
Speaker 3: So you believe, said O Yo said no, So you
Speaker 3: believe that. I believe that.
Speaker 1: Yo. All right, So it was how do you think
Speaker 1: Drake worded it? So it was so it was from Drake.
Speaker 3: Came from probably top five, they know your top It
Speaker 3: came from top five straight to top four?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So you believe I couldn't go because O Vo said
Speaker 2: I couldn't go. And then I heard another one saying
Speaker 2: that I was gonna get beat up by Rockefeller.
Speaker 1: True, well, that one I believe. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think they thought Biggs was gonna beat
Speaker 2: me up.
Speaker 1: He was gonna beat big brother. What we're for.
Speaker 3: This is why I'm glad I'm here because I want
Speaker 3: to clear that up. Why we got beef with Drake
Speaker 3: because Kendrick did the Super Bowl. I want to be
Speaker 3: I want to know we got beef with Drake because
Speaker 3: Kendrick did the.
Speaker 1: Super I think that I think you said something that
Speaker 1: you felt like Drake shouldn't should do or shouldn't do
Speaker 1: during the battle, and I think I think Drake may
Speaker 1: have responded to that to me. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: said something on the podcast, like I.
Speaker 2: Don't think on Drizzy. I'm not saying you should it
Speaker 2: on him. I think you said something that you thought
Speaker 2: he should have did during the battle. I can't really
Speaker 2: remember what it was.
Speaker 3: He did it. He came back and made hits. That's
Speaker 3: what I said, don't focus on the draft focus.
Speaker 1: I think it was something you said when you were
Speaker 1: sitting down with Jim.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he gotta make hits. You got to
Speaker 4: come back with.
Speaker 1: I think Drake had a response to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I said I fell off in ninety six,
Speaker 4: so he can't.
Speaker 3: I mean that year he said rappers from oh five
Speaker 3: talking and I say he ain't talking about me.
Speaker 4: I fell off O five.
Speaker 1: You gotta be it's not it's not beef though, it's
Speaker 1: no beef with like it like that and where is
Speaker 1: it because it's on the internet because Drake said a
Speaker 1: few things on Iceman and then Jay went on Ruth's
Speaker 1: Picnic and just said check the right charge Champ like,
Speaker 1: but that's rap ship. It big, that's rap ship. What
Speaker 1: I've been saying.
Speaker 3: Nigga, I took shots at beans hole looking at you,
Speaker 3: me and him and how I'm talking about them niggas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that. A lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't know.
Speaker 3: Trying to be the best and anybody coming in that spot,
Speaker 3: you're going to throw them shots. So it's respected. I
Speaker 3: don't look at them niggas like yo, we see them
Speaker 3: as up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, I don't.
Speaker 4: Why would niggs up with you?
Speaker 1: That's internet ship. That's why I said.
Speaker 2: That's why when people were like, oh, you didn't go
Speaker 2: because Drake said that, I'm looking at I'm like, what
Speaker 2: like there was mad people in the building that that
Speaker 2: literally had Rockefeller at one point.
Speaker 3: No, it's yeah, listen, we never had beef for nobody though.
Speaker 2: Well it was just remember we don't start no, no, no no,
Speaker 2: but you don't got to start trouble to both had beef.
Speaker 2: There's been beef for Rockefeller, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: guys that defend out.
Speaker 4: That as beef though, but when it's really up.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about that's about rapper beef, real like families
Speaker 1: are in danger.
Speaker 4: That's like Twitter beef exactly.
Speaker 1: But that's where a lot of this sh them.
Speaker 2: So it's social media, which is why Jay being able
Speaker 2: to sell out Yankee Stadium and all the people come
Speaker 2: out with such a beautiful thing, because if you let
Speaker 2: social media tell it, he can't do.
Speaker 1: He's washed, he's old, he doesn't watch influence exact.
Speaker 2: So that's why at that moment was the epitome of
Speaker 2: the Internet is not a real place. It's a very
Speaker 2: small corner of people that get together in their opinions
Speaker 2: and try to make it seem like it's a thing.
Speaker 3: And you said that the Internet and not a real
Speaker 3: place because they tell me, yo, drake, Hope, don't come
Speaker 3: on your part.
Speaker 4: Nobody ain't never say your drake. They come up yo drizzy.
Speaker 2: No no, they say, they say that's that was the whole
Speaker 2: reason for me defend.
Speaker 1: But the thing is this interview, that's what they claim.
Speaker 1: What was my stance on the whole battles because.
Speaker 4: This is my thing.
Speaker 3: Right even if you did get that interview, like I
Speaker 3: feel like with the j shit, will you go next? Now?
Speaker 3: I gotta go for time, Perry Oprah. You can't go
Speaker 3: from Jay and Drake, no disrespect. I even throw me
Speaker 3: in there if you got this episode, could come after
Speaker 3: the Drake episode. No, it ain't no matter, but the
Speaker 3: number right right, that's the difference. So I want to
Speaker 3: throw another rap in there. They diss me too. Ships
Speaker 3: smoky out here right now.
Speaker 1: Very smoky. Also like maybe I'm a bad friend. Just
Speaker 1: because my friends started podcast doesn't mean that I now
Speaker 1: owe an episode.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: Know, if that's the case of anyone who holds life
Speaker 1: started podcast, now he got to go on their.
Speaker 3: Show and they don't want that conversation. I don't want
Speaker 3: that conversation. I don't want people to know the.
Speaker 1: Nah, it's a lot of ship you want to run
Speaker 1: from you.
Speaker 3: I've run this ship into the world. Right if whole
Speaker 3: sit there, he gonna tell him, I don't.
Speaker 1: Bro It's gonna be put in to perspective.
Speaker 3: So it's like, no, chill, I've run this ship over there.
Speaker 3: Let me run this ship now.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of the a lot of
Speaker 2: the you know, Jay Drake quote unquote tension. It's not real,
Speaker 2: and I'm glad that I have you here today to
Speaker 2: kind of echo those sentiments. It's not a real thing.
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time. Jay is not beefing
Speaker 2: with anybody. You cannot beef with jay Z. There's no
Speaker 2: there's It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's paying nobody attention.
Speaker 1: No, I'm like everything, he sees everything. Try to give
Speaker 1: y'all some pushback, which you mean nobody could beef with
Speaker 1: jay Z. I've heard him reply, what's about rape?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could reply his whole career to everybody today
Speaker 1: he just went on roots and mind you, people have
Speaker 1: been talking about him for years. But a lot of
Speaker 1: every right to reply. But don't you can't say that
Speaker 1: that's that's what. You can't say that Hove don't have
Speaker 1: anyone's attention. I think Hove has a burner account and
Speaker 1: pays attention to everything just because he's a good businessman,
Speaker 1: understands the market. I agree with you.
Speaker 2: I'm saying beef meaning like that Roots picnic thing was
Speaker 2: him responding to years years of not rapper ship, years
Speaker 2: of people trying to defamate his character. Sure you know,
Speaker 2: the whole Tony Buzzby ship. He's selling out, selling out
Speaker 2: the target, his whole political thing with the NFL and
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, taking that that job like. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like he was responding to a bar.
Speaker 1: A rapper set about that. That's what I'm speaking about.
Speaker 1: He was. He was replying to Drake bar from well,
Speaker 1: Drake would be the only one.
Speaker 3: This is my thing though everybody took shots for years
Speaker 3: and years and years and got one shot back and
Speaker 3: went and cried.
Speaker 4: Of course, it's insane to me.
Speaker 1: We knew at Roots. We were all sitting there before
Speaker 1: I allegedly got kicked out. We was like, all right,
Speaker 1: Jay just gave According to the Internet, I got kicked
Speaker 1: out the Roots over there kicked apparently. Apparently apparently Jay
Speaker 1: came to the Duce Riser and said, your friends with
Speaker 1: Drake get out. This is what Tasha k put out
Speaker 1: to the World League.
Speaker 4: Yo ship, that can't they can't.
Speaker 1: That's real, that's real. Yes, she did like a whole
Speaker 1: stream one and everything.
Speaker 3: But in between you know what to do say like
Speaker 3: being real, like but yeah, I don't think you know
Speaker 3: where it's at or what it looks like because it
Speaker 3: changes every show. So I guarantee you he didn't know
Speaker 3: what the roote.
Speaker 1: I'm guarantee. Look, he doesn't even know that I was there. No, No,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. But I like it because it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's things to laugh at.
Speaker 3: And me, I like these people man like it's entertainment,
Speaker 3: the tasha Ks and all of them, because to me,
Speaker 3: they just replaced the Inquirer. Remember you walking storing the
Speaker 3: baby pooring this person gave birth to an alien.
Speaker 1: They that, So it's like I need that, yeah, be
Speaker 1: away from the rich. But that used to just be
Speaker 1: when I was waiting in line to pay for my groceries.
Speaker 1: That was five minutes of my time. Now you can't
Speaker 1: open your phone.
Speaker 4: Without seeing it. Yeah, but then you need the Inquirer.
Speaker 3: We get the Member, you get the daily News, you
Speaker 3: get the UK blogs, all that ship, but then you
Speaker 3: need that Tasha k that that left field ship that
Speaker 3: you know just don't make no sense.
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, it's the inquire Section.
Speaker 1: Right, even in Philadelphia, I wasn't even there. I was
Speaker 1: home watching Game seven of the got kicked out of place.
Speaker 1: I got city. You wasn't even I wasn't even there,
Speaker 1: So I need that kickout. So it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta laugh at that ship. Well, how
Speaker 1: was a performing Roots Picnic? Because that that have been
Speaker 1: a little minute since you Yes, yo with Jay, It's
Speaker 1: been a minute, man, Jay, And you know I'm the nicest.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know, I get up.
Speaker 3: That's why he want me on stage. He running from
Speaker 3: the Yeah, like we're gonna try to burn me set
Speaker 3: up the versus man, It's like, God, fuck that one verse,
Speaker 3: get out of here, shorty.
Speaker 4: Yeah so but nah the verse.
Speaker 3: I mean, fucking Roots Picnic was dope just to be
Speaker 3: able to get to see the State Property set again,
Speaker 3: to see them, That's what I was working.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 3: When I went to the rehearsal and saw the set list,
Speaker 3: I was at first, I'm like, Liz only got.
Speaker 4: One joint up there?
Speaker 1: Who Guru? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And then when I read the rest of the set
Speaker 3: list and seeing State Probably, I'm like it makes sense,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Let them do their thing
Speaker 3: this Philly. Let them shine like I told them, how
Speaker 3: many more Jay shows we're gonna get like this where
Speaker 3: we can stand on this stage and do this. So
Speaker 3: to see that was really really dope. He cracked everybody
Speaker 3: out this show.
Speaker 1: What was like rehearsals like seeing seeing all the guys together,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: Like one big movie man cartoon again, everybody back together, laughing,
Speaker 3: pop and ship neath time.
Speaker 4: Tell me why he ain't come to my part.
Speaker 1: I've been looking for He was ducking me come to
Speaker 1: the park.
Speaker 4: I forgot what he told me. He said. I hollered
Speaker 4: at somebody. That's why I come.
Speaker 3: So you ain't come to holler at me because me
Speaker 3: and still need another conversation.
Speaker 1: But that's my bros.
Speaker 4: You know what it was like.
Speaker 3: It was almost like being adults on a hard knocked
Speaker 3: life to again, that's what it felt like one night
Speaker 3: from hard knocked life, but instead of us being kids,
Speaker 3: we were adults able to really reflect and look back
Speaker 3: on shiit that we miss, opportunities, we fucked up, and
Speaker 3: how we could fix it.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know you and Beans talk about the album that
Speaker 1: you gouts still ois yo, I haven't forgotten yo.
Speaker 4: Listen right, i'ma be honest. Beans gonna be mad at me.
Speaker 3: He gonna call me, But that's my dog right at
Speaker 3: the roots picnic I told Jay, I said, Yo, we
Speaker 3: need to do five song EP, you know, just on
Speaker 3: some rock. She he like, yeah, make it happen. If
Speaker 3: niggas ain't got five verses, I don't want his ship.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, no, I got five? You know, beans
Speaker 3: with up free?
Speaker 1: What up?
Speaker 4: Anybody like?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Bank sent us a five pack. Matter of fact, Bank
Speaker 3: sent us ten beats, you know what I mean, versus
Speaker 3: we laid.
Speaker 1: Zero. So wait, but what happened? Niggas ain't have verses?
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: Didn't this happen before? One time when y'all was together
Speaker 1: and Jay said, why don't y'all go to the studio,
Speaker 1: And none of y'all went to studio.
Speaker 4: That's what Chris said. He said, we all went to
Speaker 4: the Rihanna party.
Speaker 1: H Well, I mean, I mean, I get yo, gonna
Speaker 1: have to wait, man.
Speaker 3: But the Roots picnic I don't know why we didn't
Speaker 3: get together and do it. Everybody was in the studio,
Speaker 3: We went to the freeway, got the studio in Philly.
Speaker 3: We went freeways playing music. I played music, beings playing music.
Speaker 3: It's just timing. Like I believe, everybody focused on their
Speaker 3: own path and when time is right, we would do it.
Speaker 3: I don't last thing you want to do is force. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not gonna be real, it's.
Speaker 1: Not gonna sound good. I mean it's cool that jay
Speaker 1: Z to open like to Yo plenty five records instead
Speaker 1: of like nah funk.
Speaker 3: That's why when we came to New York, it was like, oh, bleek,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna let this slip. Let's get one. Like
Speaker 3: you said, how many more chances of this? You're gonna
Speaker 3: get that light again on the Rockefeller errors. I gotta
Speaker 3: take advance.
Speaker 1: I just think that was the culmination of like again,
Speaker 1: I just where where does Jake go from that president?
Speaker 1: We want the White House dog luls of republic anymore?
Speaker 3: For he definitely voting then because they fucking ship up
Speaker 3: right there. They got shit twisted out here gas high.
Speaker 3: We had war, real war, that ex war.
Speaker 1: It's real war. You don't think Jay will be a
Speaker 1: republican black black republic.
Speaker 3: That's because he might have saved taxes that year wreckage.
Speaker 1: You want to say every year version of Black Democrats.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite freet Yo.
Speaker 4: Pap is super nice.
Speaker 1: I love in front of the nights.
Speaker 3: He don't get the credit he deserved. Man, that is
Speaker 3: super nice. That is great one of them dudes.
Speaker 4: Have your ship together. You getting on the record with him?
Speaker 1: No, for sure? So night one reason with doubt Yankee
Speaker 1: Stadium in rehearsals, did you know that your favorite one?
Speaker 3: Because I'm on stage, Okay, I prefer that night coming
Speaker 3: age and for me it's significant because it's it's what
Speaker 3: we prayed for.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, when you're living in the moment,
Speaker 3: you don't really get to reflect on the journey.
Speaker 4: That night was the was like now.
Speaker 3: They say you see your life flashed before your eyes,
Speaker 3: but that only happens during the tragedy. This happened to
Speaker 3: me during the celebration where I stood there and was like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, remembering the baskets we was wrapping up the
Speaker 3: sin of the DJs, remembering the nights going to Maria
Speaker 3: Davis talent shows, Wednesday Mad Wednesdays, Remembering all of those days,
Speaker 3: the stretching by Beto trying to get the rest of
Speaker 3: piece big Al, the night to Piggy banging with big Al,
Speaker 3: Dang or Original Flavor, all that shit just played in
Speaker 3: my mind. It was like, Yo, it's crazy, like thirty
Speaker 3: years ago, this is what we prayed for, and now
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt so.
Speaker 2: At the time, at the time when Reasonable that was
Speaker 2: being recorded, at the age or at that time, did
Speaker 2: you think that it would in thirty years later Yankee
Speaker 2: Stadium sold out would be a thing like in that moment,
Speaker 2: because when you listen to Reasonable Now now in ninety six,
Speaker 2: everything that Jay was rapping about, the music, everything was
Speaker 2: so ahead of his time, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: didn't understand it unless she was really living, unless she
Speaker 2: was around that. So from ninety six to twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six and you being at Yankee Stadium and seeing all
Speaker 2: these people in the stands, like what is that?
Speaker 1: What is that feeling like when you.
Speaker 2: Think back to young Bleak and Marshy and where Bleak
Speaker 2: is at today on stage Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 3: Just like what you said with the fans man, I
Speaker 3: didn't even understand the album, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: certain shit on that album I'm doing now and be like,
Speaker 3: hold on, sing was talking about this shit thirty years ago?
Speaker 4: What the fuck like?
Speaker 3: And I just figured it out so like Jay always
Speaker 3: been a teacher, leader of the of the culture to me,
Speaker 3: because it felt like when everybody was doing this. He
Speaker 3: went on that the whole game was on goal. He
Speaker 3: brought out Platinum Chick's daughter with silver and shit, everybody
Speaker 3: was on mowat he was drinking Chris style. Then he like,
Speaker 3: it's like he always been ahead of the game, and
Speaker 3: back then I was watching from.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I want to say a fan because they wasn't famous
Speaker 3: and we grew up together, so it's hard to be
Speaker 3: a fan of your bro.
Speaker 4: It's like inspiring, like, h that's somebody.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: When I get older, I hope I'm living like that.
Speaker 3: I hope I got my team like that. And you know,
Speaker 3: and for him to rip a piece of paper out
Speaker 3: of a notebook and tell me, as fast as you
Speaker 3: remember this, this rhyme is as fast as your life change.
Speaker 3: Thirty years later, we on Yankee Stadium stage, looking at
Speaker 3: my life completely changed. It's like, wow, thirty years ago,
Speaker 3: Niggazi and sardines out the can. Today Nigga, we getting
Speaker 3: sushi made right there on the table.
Speaker 1: You heard right fly to chef in Yeah, it's a difference.
Speaker 1: How much different with your life have been if Shahem
Speaker 1: from Wu Tang got the Coming of Age verse insteady.
Speaker 4: I'd probably be in sardines.
Speaker 1: Going back thirty years, do you remember I mean obviously
Speaker 1: Jed features and like a few records out, but do
Speaker 1: you remember when he was like bleak, I'm working on
Speaker 1: an album, like when he actually took the ship here
Speaker 1: Because he's always talked about he really didn't take rap seriously.
Speaker 4: Beginning got to remember, I'm little Bro.
Speaker 3: I wasn't a lot of people think I was part
Speaker 3: of the movement, the action when they was in the street. Nah,
Speaker 3: I was the if they had a third stringer, I
Speaker 3: was the tenth the tenth phone call. That's little Bro
Speaker 3: doing we get you when we need you. They can
Speaker 3: go in the crib. We higher at you going to
Speaker 3: black do what you do. It was that type of relationship.
Speaker 3: So I used to have to steal records, like because
Speaker 3: I wasn't in the studio all the time. Like so
Speaker 3: we go to the crib and he'll play records and
Speaker 3: then they'll leave and I'm at the crib and like, uh,
Speaker 3: let me get this CD.
Speaker 4: Go to the hood, play this for the homies.
Speaker 3: I remember I got a call, they got a call
Speaker 3: in j and b hide and not throwing my talk.
Speaker 3: It was like, yo, we heard you down here burning
Speaker 3: niggas copies of the record.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, a, who told you that?
Speaker 3: And they bought one of my right hand man standing
Speaker 3: there like they was the fans like bleak, tell of
Speaker 3: you did?
Speaker 1: They got got us? And I'm looking at him like, fair,
Speaker 1: you got yo? They just cut a nigga here man
Speaker 1: right handed? You bring your man to the door. He's like, no, fair,
Speaker 1: I think I gave you the copy on some lotion
Speaker 1: and you radic your copy right said, bleed the evils
Speaker 1: on it too. I thought I got. I thought I
Speaker 1: was out the whip for that one. I was like,
Speaker 1: I fucked up. I can't take no song on the.
Speaker 3: The whole way like this, your son, you talk to you,
Speaker 3: you know that's the prep you living with moms, then
Speaker 3: you invite niggas and niggas like now.
Speaker 1: Come in the hallway and come out. That's come in
Speaker 1: the hallway with you. You don't know that's house. That's
Speaker 1: just serious. You knew something was uping that's not regular
Speaker 1: in your mom's house.
Speaker 3: You come up side real quick like the homie, hide
Speaker 3: and behind the elevator wall waiting for me to say, now, yeah, yo,
Speaker 3: it was us.
Speaker 1: What So this was before he asked you get on
Speaker 1: coming to age.
Speaker 3: I was on coming to age already, but it was
Speaker 3: other records made that they were playing. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this? What's that? So when d Evils
Speaker 3: was like, Nigga, this's that ship. I gotta play this
Speaker 3: for the hole. There's no way niggas can't hear this,
Speaker 3: Like you know how it felt to be doing coming
Speaker 3: to age one, coming to age two. You go to
Speaker 3: the hood, you tell niggas you I just did records
Speaker 3: with whole niggas.
Speaker 1: Like me hear it, like yeah, I can't believe it's
Speaker 1: till it come out.
Speaker 3: Copy here in the studio because I stole the evil,
Speaker 3: they never gave me copies or no other records until
Speaker 3: I started making my own record.
Speaker 1: They used to tell niggas, don't burn the CD for blee.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take that ship right there bootlegging early. I
Speaker 1: did that with.
Speaker 2: We was in when we was in Baseline, when J
Speaker 2: did P S A and I remember I got like
Speaker 2: I had to take I took the train to D
Speaker 2: train back uptown and I got to the block. I said,
Speaker 2: my nigga, this nigga J got a W record, and
Speaker 2: niggas is like, where's that. I'm like, I don't got it.
Speaker 1: But when when niggas heard ps A for the first time,
Speaker 1: they was like, oh, yeah, it's right, it's over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it was. Man like that shit was
Speaker 3: like real secretive back then. You know how many engineers
Speaker 3: got they hag chopped, Like for sure you have a graide,
Speaker 3: you had a blowoutigad you with the clippers?
Speaker 1: You did? What? What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like because you got on legendary rap
Speaker 2: versus legendary rap records with guys like Sauce Money Jean Ja, Like,
Speaker 2: do you feel like you get the credit you deserve
Speaker 2: for just being able to hold your own with those
Speaker 2: type of mcs and rappers, because not everybody can step
Speaker 2: in the circle with a Sauce Money jay Z being
Speaker 2: a young beans jazz o and really hold your own.
Speaker 3: I definitely don't, But I love when they don't give
Speaker 3: me the credit because the ones who feel like they
Speaker 3: can compete don't want to compete. I tell all these guys,
Speaker 3: I just hit Swiss yesterday. Swiss was hit me telling me, yo,
Speaker 3: we see what's going on. We watch it like you
Speaker 3: ready for the versus shit, and I'm like, I'm ready
Speaker 3: for it for whoever. There's no target, whoever, you can
Speaker 3: pick the opponent. Like that's how confident I am and
Speaker 3: what I did over the years. And it's like people
Speaker 3: don't remember. They don't remember, they don't give me the credit.
Speaker 3: And like you said, rhyming behind Jay and Beans is
Speaker 3: a task in itself.
Speaker 4: You know how it felt to go in the.
Speaker 3: Studio on you meet him and her hair hold like
Speaker 3: Nigga knocked a horse off your polo sweater?
Speaker 4: Like what the fuck am I supposed to say after this?
Speaker 4: Like huh?
Speaker 1: Like it was like I had to rhyme after that.
Speaker 3: Then you're bringing up Sauce money, Like come on, man,
Speaker 3: Sauce was just like the ultimate like it was times.
Speaker 3: The way I felt like he made j better like
Speaker 3: Sauce was was was. I remember when I was in
Speaker 3: the projects one day with Sauce and thinking, man, you
Speaker 3: not that nice, Nigga, I want your spot because remember
Speaker 3: Sauce was the next up in line on the rock
Speaker 3: or beings everybody or me. I don't know what happened
Speaker 3: between him and Jay or how I skipped the line,
Speaker 3: but Sauce was supposed to be the next stup. I
Speaker 3: let him tell his story because I don't even know
Speaker 3: what to tell it. But I remember I tried to
Speaker 3: take that spot, like nigga, you can't fuck with me.
Speaker 3: I'm new, young nigga.
Speaker 1: What up?
Speaker 3: And the projects had all my niggas with me ready
Speaker 3: to rhyme. He like, all right, let me hear something.
Speaker 3: I spit that niggas spit like six lines and I
Speaker 3: just remember the one line. Niggas so niggas thought they
Speaker 3: was Chinese the way they duck Sauce. Listen, I'm like ian,
Speaker 3: I said what I called me when you got niggas
Speaker 3: need me you feel me?
Speaker 1: It was like the fuck?
Speaker 3: Who I thought I was flaying with you. That's like
Speaker 3: they get you ready for the bully. They can hit
Speaker 3: you like wait, I see stars g I right with
Speaker 3: you for free.
Speaker 1: Don't give me another piece of paper. Let me practiced.
Speaker 1: What do they take you? Seriously, though, at that point.
Speaker 3: I felt like when Beans came around. When Beans came
Speaker 3: around the way everything shifted and was on him that
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, niggas, even my home team is
Speaker 3: sleeping on me, like they don't think I got it.
Speaker 3: So when me and Lenny just winning made coming to
Speaker 3: Age the album and we turned it in and it
Speaker 3: came out like that, and I skipped the line like,
Speaker 3: oh first we were dropping this before everything. It was
Speaker 3: like they're not earned the respect off coming to age
Speaker 3: the myth bleak is what you think of that Regular
Speaker 3: Cat and it's like, oh my god, I'm mad I
Speaker 3: never shot a video for that.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, why you ain't never shoot
Speaker 1: a video for regular.
Speaker 4: Cat because I ain't control the budgets.
Speaker 1: And that record was that was the one.
Speaker 4: And all I cared about back then.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna cap I was the major thirty body
Speaker 3: about the video.
Speaker 1: Girls like why y'all bought them? Yeah? Yeah? That was
Speaker 1: that was That was a day to remember. Are you
Speaker 1: kidding me? He was on that I had pulled up late.
Speaker 1: They was wrapping up, but it was arrows everywhere.
Speaker 2: Like Bleek Bleek was like at one point it was
Speaker 2: like all the c girls in the hood. They was
Speaker 2: like yo, bleak blok And I was like, hey, oh
Speaker 2: they really like blocking because Jay was like, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna even see j like you y'all don't have a
Speaker 2: chance to even have a conversation with Jake.
Speaker 1: You would see that nigga.
Speaker 3: Right there in the middle, right, I'm walking the stream right,
Speaker 3: I used to be. It was like them behind the
Speaker 3: velvet rope on the opposite side. When we do it,
Speaker 3: I'll be on stage. You're standing at the right on
Speaker 3: Sun Road. That was me and who like are you
Speaker 3: telling them the hotel you better stay at a different one,
Speaker 3: but that's at the.
Speaker 1: Red roof and were gone.
Speaker 2: I'm mad you never shot a video for Regin Cat
Speaker 2: like that record was.
Speaker 3: It's a couple of records. I wish that Infatuated that was.
Speaker 3: That was my ringtone, the one related. I should have
Speaker 3: shot that with re read first, got on you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Rest in peace, colleague. We burnt Infatuated down Bro when
Speaker 2: that came out. We burnt that record, me, Colleague Vaughn.
Speaker 2: We used to That's the only song we was playing
Speaker 2: in the city. And you never shot a video. Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ wasted. I wasted that one. I got a couple
Speaker 2: of mishaps. No players.
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Speaker 1: But what happened?
Speaker 2: What happened with I know that's his sorder to tell,
Speaker 2: but that was one of the figures that I think
Speaker 2: everybody felt because it was it was dope to see
Speaker 2: Jay give Jazz's flowers on stage Niggers Stadium and say,
Speaker 2: you know, this is the guy that's responsible for who
Speaker 2: I am as an MC. And you know you said
Speaker 2: the same about Sauce, like these are the guys who
Speaker 2: he kind of honed his skills with. But like what
Speaker 2: not getting too personal into it, like what happened with Sauce,
Speaker 2: Like why wasn't he there? It may be two persons,
Speaker 2: but like it's him and Jay in the space where
Speaker 2: they even like cordial because for him not to be
Speaker 2: at the Yankee stadium show. I'm not gonna lie to me.
Speaker 2: That was one of the guys that I heard what
Speaker 2: was going to.
Speaker 4: Be there or me?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 3: When now, when we gave rehearsal and I've seen the
Speaker 3: trailers and we all and I see jazz Oo, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I know Sauce here. Then when I go talk to
Speaker 3: Jazz and I'm like, yo, what's up with Sauce? And
Speaker 3: he like, you know, certain shit niggas just don't want
Speaker 3: to let go. Bro, Like you know, like certain people
Speaker 3: harbor feel is different than oh yeah, and certain people
Speaker 3: won't but that diret sorry they don't receive it.
Speaker 4: It's like, fuck the world. Maybe that can be him.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: So this is a very private person, like he never
Speaker 3: really been out talking on the mics and yo, fuck
Speaker 3: this person, so you were really never gonna know. I
Speaker 3: tried to get him to come on the pard but
Speaker 3: somehow him and Norri got some smoke.
Speaker 4: So he's like, nah, fuck you believe me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a quiet, passive person, but like you said,
Speaker 1: you could be quiet and still have drum.
Speaker 4: And you just tell me.
Speaker 1: Might have said something that he's heard.
Speaker 3: He felt like nor did it publicly and apology was
Speaker 3: not behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: He felt like the apology should.
Speaker 2: Be it should it should I'm one of those guys.
Speaker 2: I think the apology definitely sometimes respect this public. Apologies
Speaker 2: sometimes go make the public the apology public. Pull up
Speaker 2: the drink, Chack, pull up the rock solid the way
Speaker 2: I could tell Norri pull up when you hear you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Sometimes everybody not gonna come to
Speaker 2: you. You gotta go take it. And that's what apologies and opportunities.
Speaker 1: What was on? What was that first convo with with
Speaker 1: Jazz like a rehearsals.
Speaker 3: My first convo with Jazz really would not had him
Speaker 3: on the park. Okay, that's my first convo. And it
Speaker 3: was like, man, I feel so bad that we even
Speaker 3: went there with Jazz. Tho, like Jazz was he's the
Speaker 3: og og Like yeah, Like I literally went to Jazz
Speaker 3: for tips on how to write hooks tips or yo,
Speaker 3: when should you put the punchline in the verse? When
Speaker 3: like at what bar should I I think that the
Speaker 3: lis line? And he just like used to give me
Speaker 3: all different tips and pointers on this on how to
Speaker 3: make a song and how to wrap sixteen bars and
Speaker 3: all of this my first studio sessions before coming to Age,
Speaker 3: before Lenny as before coming before all of that was
Speaker 3: jazz picking me up in the projects, getting in the card,
Speaker 3: then going to the studio with him and be high,
Speaker 3: and it'll be us in the studio trying to figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: And like it was like man like seeing him.
Speaker 3: Now older and it's like, damn, bro, like why we
Speaker 3: ever get into it with you? We like we we
Speaker 3: mastered it from the bricks. We never supposed to have
Speaker 3: ever raised the pen on jazz. So if it's anything
Speaker 3: in my career that I regret that, it's like we
Speaker 3: were supposed to disrespect. That's real for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But I mean that's why I was happy that
Speaker 1: Jay did that on stage, because rarely does Jay give
Speaker 1: like that, that that long of a speech.
Speaker 3: Some jazz desert, some humility, but that without him, none
Speaker 3: of this would be possible. Bro, he saw it before
Speaker 3: we all didn't really shout out the knight.
Speaker 4: He really saw it.
Speaker 3: And we're gonna steal them back because y'all queen's niggas
Speaker 3: take a lot of ship man, and I just want
Speaker 3: to let y'all know niking them is not from queens.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean they all from Massy shirt Kings.
Speaker 4: Is from Massy Project. They got money in Queens.
Speaker 1: It's it's a difference, it's a different we're taking them back.
Speaker 1: The Hypnotic record with you J and Beads, and it
Speaker 1: didn't get clear. Is that any that got clear? It
Speaker 1: was on the album, the original version. No, the original
Speaker 1: didn't get clear. Is there anyway it was there? Is
Speaker 1: that you wait in twenty twenty six, we can get
Speaker 1: that clear?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. That's like the record with Freeway
Speaker 3: Man never got clear? The fuck was that's on night Shift?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yes, I never got clear?
Speaker 1: Sample shit because I mean I see what Jay's doing now,
Speaker 1: re releasing everything now that he could do it under
Speaker 1: his own imprint. Sample shit.
Speaker 4: Okay, they don't be certain the states.
Speaker 1: That original version Hypnotic is crazy, you.
Speaker 3: Know certain the states You know that shit go off
Speaker 3: like your name? How much money they think they're gonna be.
Speaker 3: They think you're gonna waste the record. They get like,
Speaker 3: oh they had rapper Tom Katt, you're not making it
Speaker 3: because what you think of that was like that they
Speaker 3: didn't clear the sample that was supposed to be the
Speaker 3: first single before menth bleak.
Speaker 4: They didn't clear the sample to j put a Verse on.
Speaker 1: It was like, you motherfuckers, were you around when Rockefeller
Speaker 1: was calling mass space cakes? That was, yeah, that was you.
Speaker 1: Were you there when the incident happens, Like we've gotten
Speaker 1: we've gotten his point of view now that the incident happened.
Speaker 1: That I think it was Christmas. It was scared you.
Speaker 2: When everybody like like a week after I went the
Speaker 2: baseline and everybody had heard the story about it.
Speaker 1: And I think Beans is the one that came up
Speaker 1: with the name space which he said in the rap.
Speaker 2: But everybody started calling me that that was the worst
Speaker 2: light of my fucking life.
Speaker 3: And those was the fly that Shorty the space Cakes
Speaker 3: was hitting as a short little bullshit.
Speaker 4: It is mad nasty man, fucking what of those.
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: What what was early mall swag? Like, like what was
Speaker 1: your early memories of fly?
Speaker 3: You know, Harlem niggas always came through with that extra
Speaker 3: fly like they gotta take your bitch.
Speaker 1: That was not what I was. That wasn't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to y'all niggas was rappers, but still we
Speaker 1: ain't don't rap. So I gotta stand out somehow. I
Speaker 1: gotta be funny. I gotta be fly, I gotta smell good,
Speaker 1: I gotta have a haircut, you gotta do all the
Speaker 1: other shit.
Speaker 3: It was a different aura of Harlem though back then,
Speaker 3: like Harlem felt like going out of towns. To me,
Speaker 3: it's being in Brooklyn. Brooklyn, I cannot explain. Like for
Speaker 3: those in Chicago, they would know. Brooklyn is just like Chicago.
Speaker 3: It's no standing outside, like you on your block, you
Speaker 3: chilling you alight?
Speaker 1: Cool shots might.
Speaker 3: Ring down, so y'all better keep a gun in the vicinity.
Speaker 3: That's how it is on Chicago. Like I remember being
Speaker 3: out there. Niggas like yo, the West Side, niggas outside
Speaker 3: on the South Side, niggas ain't outside.
Speaker 4: I can't steal around.
Speaker 3: Nigga might spend that block and blow your ad off.
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, it's like where I'm from, and
Speaker 3: I like Chicago. But then you go to Harlem and
Speaker 3: dankment anybody outside, black parties, police even enjoying the festivities,
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck going on over here? So it
Speaker 3: felt like going to another place. So everybody up there
Speaker 3: fly by talk Spanish. Everybody got Spanish homies. It's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck are we missing in BK, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So they had a different level of
Speaker 3: fly that we felt like, Nah, you think it's ain't
Speaker 3: gonna outflies, You think you're gonna take all our bitches.
Speaker 4: Because you got the new ups, you got the new pla.
Speaker 1: So how did you feel the first time Jay brought
Speaker 1: like Bigs Dame, just the whole Harlem crew to Marcy.
Speaker 4: I didn't meet them in Marci.
Speaker 3: I met them on First avenuet Dame Dash on First
Speaker 3: Avenue when he had the crib. I don't know the
Speaker 3: name of that project, that condominium. Yes, he was living
Speaker 3: there on First Avenue. It's so crazy because Diamonds and
Speaker 3: the Rough was living there too. Chicken Rebel was in
Speaker 3: the same joint. That's when I first found out about
Speaker 3: uh the Salamean cheese from the corner store. They make
Speaker 3: the ship hot with the grill. Changed my life was like,
Speaker 3: the fuck they do up here? They cook this ship
Speaker 3: in the store too, whoa the fuck we gotta bringing
Speaker 3: back to.
Speaker 1: The concept of so hot sandwiches. Wasn't a thing like that,
Speaker 1: not that.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna get a little but the nigga like, yo,
Speaker 3: you want me? They fried on the grill. Hell, you're
Speaker 3: gonna do we.
Speaker 1: Cheese deli across from eleven. That's the legendary deli.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's the one that invented chopped cheese. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's when I first got my first salami cheese high
Speaker 3: off the grill, and I never ate a cold saligny.
Speaker 3: It was over like, that's gonna mind me that she
Speaker 3: got him. But yeah, so meeting them up there, like
Speaker 3: Dang was chilling.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: At that time, Dang was managing Original Flavor.
Speaker 3: You know, they had Hooker tone, Hooker ski shout out
Speaker 3: Chubby Chub, I mean Chubby Chuck Diesel Chob. Now he's
Speaker 3: not chubby no more. So you know like that, that
Speaker 3: was that vibe, and it was like Dang was always
Speaker 3: on that. Yo, man, we're gonna take this ship over, niggas,
Speaker 3: listen us. We're gonna kick that dooring fuck. It was
Speaker 3: always that energy and we gotta get it. Bigs was
Speaker 3: laid back, like I'm getting money. I ain't just got
Speaker 3: the play together yet, but I owe Biggs. Bigs guys
Speaker 3: smoke with me and he don't even know it.
Speaker 1: What whatever.
Speaker 3: See, I'm married now, so I can't pay him back.
Speaker 3: But I gotta do something, you know, it's like a Frank,
Speaker 3: I gotta do something to get him back.
Speaker 1: Fucking Yo. Listen, you know I has a shorter You.
Speaker 3: Going on the road with the o g's. They give
Speaker 3: you the game, Yo. You let the chick know where
Speaker 3: you stay at. You know, bring it to the hotel.
Speaker 3: You don't go nowhere with the girl, none of that.
Speaker 3: I'm the young nigga fifteen on the road. First time
Speaker 3: on the road with these niggas. Now, mind you they
Speaker 3: on twenty four to twenty five big this at the time,
Speaker 3: they was wearing the big bracelet with the they got
Speaker 3: the pinky ring that looked like nigga liver Rotchi. They
Speaker 3: took it from him. They was jeweled up. I had nothing.
Speaker 3: I was naked, man play Jane me nothing. Girl looking
Speaker 3: that me like hey were yutstares. So it's like, wait,
Speaker 3: you are no where I'm stared, got her name everything ready.
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I'm coming back with you. You coming
Speaker 3: back to the hotel with me. So I was over
Speaker 3: like what, oh, I got one the fishing line working.
Speaker 3: It's oh, we got some I go tell bigs cause
Speaker 3: you know your young. He the og next to me,
Speaker 3: I don't got no cat, bunny, I don't know the
Speaker 3: drivers for the car to take me to the hotel.
Speaker 3: I'm here consent with y'all, so I have to leave
Speaker 3: when y'all leave. So I tell Biggs, Yo, what time
Speaker 3: we leaving the spot? He's like why, He's like, nah,
Speaker 3: just what.
Speaker 1: Time we leaving? Yo? Were about to get out of here,
Speaker 1: like thirty forty?
Speaker 4: Man, I think Jay finished.
Speaker 3: You know we're gonna pop a few bottles and we out,
Speaker 3: Like nah, but I got this joint ready to go.
Speaker 1: There said which one?
Speaker 3: I pointed out? How over there he went and took
Speaker 3: it and left. Y'all said, So all I did was
Speaker 3: warm it up, warm it out.
Speaker 1: You entertained her until it's time relieved. Yes, over there
Speaker 1: being the major major limit game. Yeah, yeah, you said
Speaker 1: everybody game, you got, every joke you years, you got,
Speaker 1: let that one probably married with kids, moved on. Bleak,
Speaker 1: still turn the night, bleak. He's still like, nah, I
Speaker 1: need my getting.
Speaker 3: That was like the ultimate little bro like, get out
Speaker 3: of here, little man, we got this.
Speaker 1: That was that happened to me. That happened to me
Speaker 1: when we went to All Star Weekend in d C.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and one with Jay, I was wet do there.
Speaker 1: We was at the risk call.
Speaker 2: We stayed at the risk Caulton and I had I
Speaker 2: had a nice one with me. You know, I'm going
Speaker 2: to the I'm in the whole way like your commit
Speaker 2: I go over there and it's like, no, come over
Speaker 2: here with there in the whole way, like but the
Speaker 2: rooms on opposite is. I turn around, all I see
Speaker 2: is Shorty running down the hole with Jay Man. So, nah,
Speaker 2: niggas ain't do this to me. It's in the morning.
Speaker 2: It's for in the morning. Security got the police, got
Speaker 2: the whole block of the hotel lockdown.
Speaker 4: You can't get it nothing, yo.
Speaker 3: You learned early when you met a joint, don't bring
Speaker 3: them around just if jam them over there go this
Speaker 3: sweat because I've seen girls lose they fucking cool. Remember
Speaker 3: when Foxy had to be there with the big hat.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget this. We're in Texas somewhere Shorty bad
Speaker 3: as a motherfucker sitting on the couch chill.
Speaker 1: It hof k.
Speaker 3: That bitch got up and started crip walking hold.
Speaker 1: On hack like yo. I would never forget this, and
Speaker 1: it just made me lose all. It's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought you was cool.
Speaker 2: And you can't say nothing because then you hated like
Speaker 2: word like jaywalking.
Speaker 1: Y'all get real different in here, like why the crip walk?
Speaker 3: I was like we in Texas shut Like how you
Speaker 3: even know that day? I'm telling you we used to
Speaker 3: see all kind of ship.
Speaker 1: Broo, what a time that?
Speaker 4: It was the best time, man, it was the best.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about because I get asked the questions,
Speaker 2: so I'm throwing it on you now, how do you
Speaker 2: feel about everything going on with Dame right now?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I don't feel I don't pay it. I don't indeulge.
Speaker 3: I don't pay a door attention because I got too
Speaker 3: much respect for that man to laugh and look at
Speaker 3: him on whatever.
Speaker 1: I do too. But when he said Biggs bleik, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna lie. I can't like that ship that.
Speaker 3: He don't mean that though, bro, But so I say
Speaker 3: it because you want a response. I think at this
Speaker 3: point it's like us men when we win. The chick
Speaker 3: think you been there before? Girl leaves, she like, I
Speaker 3: ain't talking no more, she ain't picking up that phone.
Speaker 3: It's taking a bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you. I'm just to get real that.
Speaker 4: Reaction, just that response. Sometimes I think it's that bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, like we it's just to me,
Speaker 2: Dame is doing and saying things that at one point
Speaker 2: he always thought was that's the like why would you
Speaker 2: do that? Why would you say that? That is that's corny?
Speaker 2: That he's the man shouldn't do that.
Speaker 1: It's like he's the definition of everything he preached now.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's but it hurts to see it. It's
Speaker 2: it's almost like like damn, Like I want somebody to
Speaker 2: reach out and talk to him, to be like yo,
Speaker 2: like bro, like listen, I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 2: but this is not who you are, or at least
Speaker 2: who we know you to be.
Speaker 3: I believe that's been done, and I just don't believe
Speaker 3: danme receives it the right way. Like a lot of
Speaker 3: people care, a lot of people reach out.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: I had conversations with Big Face Nori. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Dang got kids, they old.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they look at they fuck and go
Speaker 3: have a conversation with him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't think Dang listening to no one man.
Speaker 3: Dang been the driver of the ship since he started.
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna relinquish those keys, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 1: If I've watched some of the Haven stuff on YouTube,
Speaker 1: and he seems to be in a way different space
Speaker 1: than back in the day on some of that stuff,
Speaker 1: and it seems like he not reaching out per se,
Speaker 1: but seems like he's open to a conversation, whereas the
Speaker 1: Dame thing is kind of lost.
Speaker 3: At that point, Gil is like, it's weird to me
Speaker 3: because I see he bringing my name up in certain shit. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like youre fam I was a kid when y'all niggas
Speaker 3: was Marvin.
Speaker 4: I wasn't. I ain't have nothing to do with that.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything.
Speaker 3: But you know why yah, he say, But no, he
Speaker 3: wants me to speak about it, And it's like, how
Speaker 3: can you speak on something you don't know? All I
Speaker 3: would you was give misinformation or information I heard through
Speaker 3: the grapevine, and that would be wrong on my part
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 4: So I just don't speak on it. Now. Do I
Speaker 4: know him? Yeah? I know him, But I knew you
Speaker 4: as a kid. I don't know you as an adult.
Speaker 3: Last time I probably seen to have a conversation with Gil,
Speaker 3: I probably was twelve, thirteen years old. I'm forty eight
Speaker 3: right now. I don't know him as a man. Is
Speaker 3: my god sister. His sister rested pieces, My godmother rested peace.
Speaker 3: And that's my family. We talked to this day. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. But with him, I never had
Speaker 3: a conversation. I never needed to, Like you, j friend,
Speaker 3: I didn't have nothing to do with that. Hustle My
Speaker 3: mind my business, as they would tell me if it
Speaker 3: was back then you'll bleep mind your business.
Speaker 4: That's what I do.
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense, that makes sense. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to go through a few records or versus per se
Speaker 1: and you just talk about what the sessions were like,
Speaker 1: starting with one nine hundred hustler, which I've said when
Speaker 1: you aren't here, this isn't cut. I think you have
Speaker 1: the best verse on when I hearded them. What was
Speaker 1: that session like?
Speaker 3: Naw, that that session was super dope because it was
Speaker 3: like we were in there like if you can almost
Speaker 3: bring a comic book to life. That's like you know
Speaker 3: how comic book you read and you see the action,
Speaker 3: but then you see the little bubble of what they think.
Speaker 4: That's what it was. It was like all of my thoughts.
Speaker 3: And then you tell Bank that's Bank on the phone
Speaker 3: calls doing the Yo man, I got somebody online, y'open
Speaker 3: two chickens and all that, and you know, Beans and
Speaker 3: Jay was the ones thinking about the chorus, Sho, we
Speaker 3: should do this little hustle that it was j Ida,
Speaker 3: it was j I dia we should do the one
Speaker 3: nine hundred hustle like a hot line for hustlers.
Speaker 4: And then Beans was coming to the idea.
Speaker 3: Yo, but Homie on the phone talking reckless and you know,
Speaker 3: somebody riffing with him, right, and then they hear it
Speaker 3: being played down, was like, Yo, you just gotta write
Speaker 3: a verse bleak online too. What you're gonna tell it?
Speaker 4: Shorty. It was like the.
Speaker 3: Easiest rhyme I probably ever wrote in my life. And
Speaker 3: people could say it's like one of the best. That's
Speaker 3: how I feel about the song. You just bought up hypnotic,
Speaker 3: Like people say, that's one of my hardest verses too,
Speaker 3: and it's like, that was the easiest round I wrote.
Speaker 1: Ye coming to age two specifically because the first one
Speaker 1: obviously Jay was heavily involved with the first one.
Speaker 4: Part two two, I didn't Yo.
Speaker 3: J is a genius man, And this is what I say, Like,
Speaker 3: that's why I never put my hat in the race
Speaker 3: for the top dog, because just off those two records,
Speaker 3: I'm disqualified on rap rules, I'm disqualified.
Speaker 1: But you have twenty years a body of worker, right, so.
Speaker 3: Let it still like if we're gonna do it the others,
Speaker 3: I do it to myself, I'm not going I respect them.
Speaker 3: I respect they got to disqualify my soul.
Speaker 4: So that's why I don't even argue I am about.
Speaker 1: And while we're quickly here, can you please put to
Speaker 1: rest what Maul and the rest of the Ovo crew
Speaker 1: have put in the world that Caliko has been writing
Speaker 1: jaj rimes. That's the funniest Cali man, that's my dog. No,
Speaker 1: that was getting low records.
Speaker 3: We need those publishing checks and he wrote them all the.
Speaker 1: Black album according to the Ovo Internet, we need those
Speaker 1: pop checks. That's crazy. But you distributed like that whole
Speaker 1: little doc they tried to do where Calico Rolle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Stajor Black. They put the clips in the
Speaker 3: everything else in there with you.
Speaker 1: The culprit. They said that hard drive that's like every
Speaker 1: hard drive in every studio, the one you was holding
Speaker 1: that was Calico's Black album that then you passed off
Speaker 1: to ja.
Speaker 4: Ooh, I'm that niggas.
Speaker 1: I liked it. Then that detective they detect this shit.
Speaker 1: They zoomeding on you holding the hard drive and was like,
Speaker 1: we got.
Speaker 4: Them, and that was the clear hard drive. I remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was the Lazy Orange Jee.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that that picture. That's me holding the
Speaker 3: hard drive, mad that this shit ain't worked, and we're
Speaker 3: trying to go to the place and they had a
Speaker 3: spot in the city that used to recover all the
Speaker 3: shit off your hard drive, so you had to have
Speaker 3: the one and the other day together. So we was
Speaker 3: actually going to recover the hard drive because she had crashed.
Speaker 3: Because I was teaching all of them back then. This
Speaker 3: is when pro tooths came out. When we was using
Speaker 3: it on a laptop. We were setting anywhere and record.
Speaker 3: So that's why you will always see every picture see
Speaker 3: Cali and it's a mic, a laptop, a hard drive
Speaker 3: because him proof geter k them boys know how to record.
Speaker 3: They can operate and run a studio right now if
Speaker 3: they wanted to, because like we taught all our artists
Speaker 3: how to be the bosses of their own career too.
Speaker 3: That you didn't wait for engineer, you didn't wait for
Speaker 3: studio time. You go do what you want to do
Speaker 3: when you want to do it, and for them to
Speaker 3: dig up all these years later to say Cali wrote
Speaker 3: for j is like whoa I know he said somewhere
Speaker 3: like niggaw, you.
Speaker 1: Fucking getting me? Like what kind of one?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like CALLI a good dude? Man, I know he he's
Speaker 3: not one of those guys that's celebrating this, like man,
Speaker 3: such a good dude. He ain't with that, he's super nice,
Speaker 3: just never you know, a lot of guys at that time,
Speaker 3: I felt like Rockefeller were moving so fast that a
Speaker 3: lot of people missed opportunities or didn't get the opportunity
Speaker 3: they deserve.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, what was baseline like in that sense where
Speaker 1: you had all the state proper which they propably grew
Speaker 1: every boxing gloves like seven of them, and then you
Speaker 1: got all of get low Like I'm sure that must
Speaker 1: have been. How do you even get pass to the
Speaker 1: microphone with anxiety? People?
Speaker 4: Every day?
Speaker 3: You know, we had first of all, every day everybody
Speaker 3: ain't getting along every day niggas fighting like you said
Speaker 3: studio time you in there, bullshit would beat you bullshit
Speaker 3: with bars, waste the time they get the funk out
Speaker 3: the booth, so excuse me, O g one and then
Speaker 3: bought boxing gloves for niggas that want bullshit you won't
Speaker 3: get off your chest. And remember we had the big
Speaker 3: booth where it was the glass where you watch niggas
Speaker 3: when you get.
Speaker 1: Your ship off. Why did you care for that? Niggas?
Speaker 3: Was a lot of niggas was on the floor like
Speaker 3: this looking the glass like.
Speaker 1: We don't have to know who lost, who got busy
Speaker 1: the most, Who is the better fighter? You know who?
Speaker 3: Out of a shocking who got hands man Sparks? Sparks
Speaker 3: fucked a few niggas up in that Boothgas, I wanta
Speaker 3: fight zoo.
Speaker 1: He got in there, Yo.
Speaker 2: The first time I remember in Baseline seeing Kanye, and
Speaker 2: I remember everybody in there was just talking about the
Speaker 2: way he was dressed.
Speaker 1: He had on like a motorcycle leather. He had on
Speaker 1: some Drago bootsferent.
Speaker 2: And everybody was like, yo, who is And then once
Speaker 2: we went in the b room and started listening to
Speaker 2: the beats. I remember Jay walked in, was like, yo,
Speaker 2: who is that he was like yea, that's hold me
Speaker 2: in the front and the pool room and going to
Speaker 2: the front and he in there, and it's like it
Speaker 2: didn't match, Like wait, he's making all of this heat
Speaker 2: and I tell you all the time, like Yo, when
Speaker 2: Ya first came around, it was like he was such
Speaker 2: an out outside because he looked different, he talked different,
Speaker 2: he dressed different. But when he started playing that music,
Speaker 2: he became I remember seeing everything in baseline.
Speaker 4: Change like Kanye. Man.
Speaker 3: I can honestly say, man, where Kanye got to his
Speaker 3: career and where he at, that's the definition and the
Speaker 3: results of a man who don't take no like y'all
Speaker 3: Nigga said no fuck y'all watched this. That's that sure
Speaker 3: desire and will to win and never quit and never
Speaker 3: listen to what nobody got to say. Because back then
Speaker 3: people was not even checking for his raps. It just
Speaker 3: with the beats. He was making beats and shits. Everything
Speaker 3: he made and played was phenomenal, Like oh shit, that's
Speaker 3: why if you think I probably got one Kanye beat
Speaker 3: out of them years in baseline, because everybody was on him,
Speaker 3: he didn't had a chance to breathe. So then when
Speaker 3: he got to the point and he started playing music.
Speaker 3: I was one of the only niggas in there listening, like, Yo,
Speaker 3: my g you're gonna be one of them greats nigga,
Speaker 3: You're gonna take this shot over. So the difference in
Speaker 3: Kanye see is that weird in this business only mean
Speaker 3: two things. You either gonna fucking win and win a lot.
Speaker 3: Because all the weirdos and we consider different. That's how
Speaker 3: can we say they wear and they were, they probably weird,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, everybody look at ushm
Speaker 3: fucking weirdose, you know what I'm saying, Like, but they
Speaker 3: win because in their mind, they they already know they
Speaker 3: got the plan what they want to do. Where us,
Speaker 3: we're so cool, bro, we think we got it and
Speaker 3: it's like we don't plan. We just go off the
Speaker 3: cool factor. Where the guy like that, that shit is
Speaker 3: written down in the attic and you know exactly every
Speaker 3: step he wanted to take and he did it. But
Speaker 3: that's how like Jay is the coolest weird to me
Speaker 3: because I ain't gonna wear it as a motherfucker too, Jay.
Speaker 4: For them to be like that up, they gotta have a.
Speaker 1: Little bit successful to be a little got it, like
Speaker 1: my nigga.
Speaker 3: I watched this nigga write a whole song in a
Speaker 3: limo to the airport from that bar.
Speaker 4: All right perspective, Barcley Center, JFK.
Speaker 3: It's about a fifteen minute it wrote a whole song,
Speaker 3: canceled the flag, and went back Jay's studio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the rest of us, it's like an hour.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, Jay fenteen minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But to drive that's like we're in the limo going
Speaker 3: to JFK. He'd be playing. We get the JFK, YO
Speaker 3: call in and cancel the flag, Yo, book studio time.
Speaker 3: I gotta lay this song, and then we turn around,
Speaker 3: go to the studio, lays song, and Babyface come through
Speaker 3: the hook.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, that's not fucking normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not normal. I thought we was that way
Speaker 4: to Houston.
Speaker 2: But Jay's process of writing, obviously being privileged enough to
Speaker 2: experience and see it, you don't know he's writing until
Speaker 2: he leaves out the room and goes in the book.
Speaker 2: You're like oh, because the whole time you think he's
Speaker 2: staring at you and you're trying to figure out, like
Speaker 2: what I did here, like like yeah, yeah, you think
Speaker 2: he asked you something.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear him.
Speaker 2: You like, huh, and he like the wave you off
Speaker 2: and he turned the other way and look and then
Speaker 2: he go in the corner and and then just open
Speaker 2: the door doing the booth.
Speaker 1: And that's when it hit you, like.
Speaker 3: Oh he was in here writing like ell like I
Speaker 3: tried that when I fell off, Yeah I did. I
Speaker 3: gotta keep it real, man, like people listen to coming
Speaker 3: in and understanding and like a ship. When we went
Speaker 3: to five three four and and made it was like,
Speaker 3: I think I'm hope that I don't like before we
Speaker 3: think this ship I like, I like before, but they
Speaker 3: don't bang like the first and then now pumit three D.
Speaker 4: I backed up. I ain't hold that's why they like.
Speaker 1: But that was the problem that era, Like when Jay
Speaker 1: would say I don't write nothing down like all right cool.
Speaker 1: Then other rappers started saying, like, we could tell you
Speaker 1: should probably like you should probably write something.
Speaker 3: Why y'a ain't tell me that, right, he shity, y'all
Speaker 3: could have kept it real normal, yo, we can tell
Speaker 3: you ain't write that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that should sound like you freestyle something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just crazy for somebody to have that
Speaker 2: ability to do that and just be that successful, like
Speaker 2: you know over these people here, Like what you mean
Speaker 2: he don't write, bro, he does not put pen to paper.
Speaker 4: Nope.
Speaker 1: Like it's just like he'll and then won't. It's not
Speaker 1: like he going there and it's like fuck up, he'll
Speaker 1: spit it all the way through one take.
Speaker 3: Ho, come back out, let's clear out. I ain't gonna
Speaker 3: do ad libs, right, which is just one take? Yeah,
Speaker 3: like everybody else doubled a verse ad lib they could
Speaker 3: do one take. That's it, yeah, and that shit sound
Speaker 3: like that man, that's that's yeah, that's not yeah, that's
Speaker 3: not normal.
Speaker 1: What's what's the fastest y'all have seen him?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: But what record that we know? The fastest that I
Speaker 1: can remember?
Speaker 2: It was something on the Black album, I think, and
Speaker 2: I don't, and I might be overspeaking because I don't.
Speaker 2: He may have had some ship in his head already,
Speaker 2: but we was in the studio for no longer than
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes and he went in the move and laid
Speaker 2: some shit, and I was just like, there's no way
Speaker 2: this nigga just wrote that in his head.
Speaker 1: You remember what record it was because it wasn't fit
Speaker 1: to black. There was songs that didn't make it. You
Speaker 1: could tell, like, all right, this is I think it
Speaker 1: was a lure. I think it was something on the
Speaker 1: lore of the joints man. Yeah, my fastest. Of course,
Speaker 1: the sunshineuse. Like I said, that record happened.
Speaker 3: They're supposed to go to Houston and then hey, Poppy, okay,
Speaker 3: cause Bill was supposed to meet us in the studio
Speaker 3: and do the third verse. So when I came to
Speaker 3: the studio, his verse and the hook was already done.
Speaker 3: He like, bleak, do a verse. A mil gonna do
Speaker 3: the third verse. So I'm like, all right, cool, fuck it,
Speaker 3: let me do my verse. Lay my verse. He said,
Speaker 3: a mil not coming. I got the third verse. When
Speaker 3: the fuck I just was saying, right my shit. Like
Speaker 3: when you got your verse, eat out it. You're like, Yo,
Speaker 3: she not coming down. I got it. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: when you got it, yo telling you?
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, that nigga is different. Man, Like
Speaker 1: a musician, is there anybody?
Speaker 2: Is there any artists back then or producers that you
Speaker 2: wanted to work with that you never got the opportunity
Speaker 2: to work with produce artists and producers.
Speaker 3: I say, like top three producers I wanted to work
Speaker 3: with I never got to work with. Of course, you
Speaker 3: ain't gonna say Doctor Dre. Every artist wanted to beat
Speaker 3: from Doctor Dre. It's like a dream, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Then like number two, I would say, gotta
Speaker 3: be Many Fresh one of the many Fresh beat for sure.
Speaker 1: M h Actually a bleak many Fresh song does make the.
Speaker 4: Word many Fresh? Was that nigga too?
Speaker 3: And then you're gonna hate me because I'll be fucking
Speaker 3: up nigga's names once my man who did Rubber band
Speaker 3: Man for t.
Speaker 1: I h oh, so David Banner, Okay, so.
Speaker 3: I'm saying a lot of people don't know David band
Speaker 3: of Production. Yeah, they were serious. So he's another one
Speaker 3: of those producers that I was like, Oh, I'd love
Speaker 3: to work with him too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And he's a good dude, that's my guy. Like conversations
Speaker 3: with him, very great guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought just around right, It was just no Guru.
Speaker 4: Did Guru brought Just Blaze? Yes? I didn't bring him well,
Speaker 4: CO signed him coming shout out lau Real.
Speaker 3: She was managing engineers at the time and one of
Speaker 3: my engineers was he called down and she was like,
Speaker 3: I got a new engineer from DC just got down here.
Speaker 3: I just started managing them like he smoked weed. Yep,
Speaker 3: send them income, Guru, fucking low Yoda?
Speaker 1: Was that all that's crazy, that's crazy? Yeah, Yoda was
Speaker 1: that that's crazy, Guru? What was like early, just like
Speaker 1: at that time.
Speaker 3: The same as now fucking big game up. You gotta
Speaker 3: go just out there out the front playing Call of Duty,
Speaker 3: Zelder and all type of other shit. You know kids
Speaker 3: who played Zelda was always gonna be super.
Speaker 2: Smooth, absolutely like, yeah, you're playing what exactly I'm on.
Speaker 3: Jocks and now you gotta go to Japan handcuffed. Just
Speaker 3: bring his ass back like a federal agent. Get over here.
Speaker 3: You're getting extra daty back to America.
Speaker 1: Remember just had all the two way alerts.
Speaker 3: Yo used to make beats. Yeah, he made his own
Speaker 3: beats for the two whee alerts.
Speaker 1: Insane, bro, Yeah, crazy, I mean says obviously you grew
Speaker 1: up in the same building as the entire family. The
Speaker 1: first time you heard the last verse of You Must
Speaker 1: Love Me about Jay in a situation where his brother,
Speaker 1: what was your response to Jay, Like, Dan, are you
Speaker 1: really about to talk about this, It was.
Speaker 3: Like, Yo, you know you hear Pop say the really
Speaker 3: ship I Ever wrote? I can honestly say that might
Speaker 3: be the really ship.
Speaker 4: Jay Ever rope.
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite verses of.
Speaker 3: Me because it's one hundred percent all the way fat,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, The cousins and all
Speaker 3: that might be hypothetical where he changed a man to
Speaker 3: a female, but the story is still one hundred percent facts. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that song, my favorite J song in my favorite street
Speaker 3: record in hip hop period of streets is watching.
Speaker 4: They don't get no better than that. That's top tier.
Speaker 3: Literally, I'm knee deep in the game, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you the fears and of the hustlers mentality. If
Speaker 3: any nigga who hustled, I'm going for you sell fireworks
Speaker 3: or you sell spymats. If you hustling, you can relate
Speaker 3: to that song. It's one of the only songs that
Speaker 3: got four verses. Yeah, sit, three verses these days is.
Speaker 1: Not normal anymore. How much of the movie Were You
Speaker 1: Around for the Streets?
Speaker 4: Is watching? Yeah, I know a lot. It's not like
Speaker 4: a strip sing him and source money.
Speaker 3: They leave me out for those videos, Like I remember
Speaker 3: watching the movie like wait, wait when you shot this?
Speaker 1: When did you have fifty? But I couldn't get the
Speaker 1: call for that. Yeah yeah, what what was like the
Speaker 1: production of that movie? Like like justind the scenes every
Speaker 1: day shooting that souse. I mean to me, that's one
Speaker 1: of the It's the best rap movie shot original new.
Speaker 3: Hype Williams Abdul, that was our real hype Williams. Like
Speaker 3: he was the guy who had a lot of vision
Speaker 3: before vision became the thing. Like you know, I feel
Speaker 3: like back then he was like what the Robin townsends
Speaker 3: of the music industry with videos like he shot a
Speaker 3: visionary for sure.
Speaker 4: I mean like all.
Speaker 3: Those all the beginning career videos of Jay that president,
Speaker 3: all the in my lifetime remixed through my lifetime one
Speaker 3: when they went the same times me on the speed book.
Speaker 3: Last Malik Abdul even the streets is watching and he
Speaker 3: shot state property. You know what I'm saying, Like he's
Speaker 3: that guy, and I don't think he get enough credit,
Speaker 3: like a lot of the guys in the industry. So
Speaker 3: back then seeing them do it and it was no label.
Speaker 3: There's no label funding this shit. This shit was funded
Speaker 3: by the corner of New York City, Like straight out,
Speaker 3: like the fun ran out.
Speaker 4: Somebody gotta go stand all that.
Speaker 3: Block and get the fun back up and were gonna
Speaker 3: shoot tomorrow. So seeing that and back then, I didn't
Speaker 3: understand it, but come being where I am now and
Speaker 3: looking back, it was like, not only was he ahead
Speaker 3: of his time, but Dame and Jay and all of
Speaker 3: them was too man because to put a movie, to
Speaker 3: know that the fans didn't understand your music right, and
Speaker 3: to put it in movie formatt we're still videos, but
Speaker 3: it flows like a movie and feels like a movie.
Speaker 4: It's never I don't think it could be done again.
Speaker 3: Nobody album even that solid a whole movie or your ship.
Speaker 1: We have to leave some songs out. Some have tried,
Speaker 1: but it didn't land this.
Speaker 4: Yeah they put the wax on.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, was there any thoughts of Jay
Speaker 1: like not acting because I don't know Jay like that,
Speaker 1: but he's cool when laid back like Dame, I'm sure
Speaker 1: was like I'll act, I got you. But Jay doing that?
Speaker 1: Did anyone have to talk him into like, Yo, you're
Speaker 1: gonna lead a whole movie. Of course it's music videos,
Speaker 1: but you acting through this whole ship?
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I knew, he knew what
Speaker 4: he needed to do. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When you have a goal and you want to accomplish something,
Speaker 3: you don't need coaching, You just need direction.
Speaker 4: You need to target.
Speaker 1: True. Yeah right, I hear that. We want to get
Speaker 1: into some boys mouth on our show, we have listeners
Speaker 1: call in and tell stories, ask questions, and it's specific
Speaker 1: for you. We let our fans knowing Patreon, that you
Speaker 1: would come by, so we got some bleak questions.
Speaker 4: See hope we ain't getting no personal Hey, blieve you
Speaker 4: remember me.
Speaker 1: From Hey, I'm the girl that Biggs took from you.
Speaker 1: I just want to say she was a human being.
Speaker 1: You don't need to carry this anymore. You've got mail.
Speaker 6: What up, guys, This is Darius. I am calling from
Speaker 6: Charlotte and my question flash topic regarding reasonable doubt. It's
Speaker 6: around the two versions of the Presidents, which for me,
Speaker 6: my personal favorite and the one that when I hear
Speaker 6: the beat, my mind of faults to part one.
Speaker 1: But I know that.
Speaker 6: Part two is probably the most popular one doing on
Speaker 6: the album and probably the one that people relate tomorrow.
Speaker 6: But just curious on you guys, thoughts on which version
Speaker 6: you think is the better one and for Bleak specifically,
Speaker 6: do you think it was the right call going with
Speaker 6: part two for the album cut? And which one that
Speaker 6: you prefer?
Speaker 3: What's your favorite?
Speaker 6: I'm always just curious to see what people think about
Speaker 6: the two versions, which one they prefer, and how they
Speaker 6: feel about it.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious both, y'all.
Speaker 2: Part one I always tell people, if I had to
Speaker 2: play a record for somebody that never heard rap before
Speaker 2: and this was their first time hand rap, I would
Speaker 2: play Dead President's Too.
Speaker 3: You personally over Part one? Yeah, I think I'll played
Speaker 3: Part one. The one that made the album is fire.
Speaker 3: That's fire, but part one is like the classic classic
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: But Dead President's two, Bro, I never knew why did
Speaker 1: he do parts? Not that I'm complaining, but challenge the
Speaker 1: verse just changed the third verse.
Speaker 4: I think, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It could be some type of rights and ownership record
Speaker 3: because then one came out on pay Day, the other police.
Speaker 4: On death Jam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be some type of splits and ownership. Okay,
Speaker 3: I gotta get out of my publishing deal. Let me
Speaker 3: throw another verse.
Speaker 2: The game a little bit. But Dead President's two to me,
Speaker 2: like obviously Part one is they're both classics, So it's
Speaker 2: no wrong answer. But I just think that his energy
Speaker 2: on part two was just like it felt like, oh
Speaker 2: in another thing. That's the vibe I get from Dead
Speaker 2: President's too. It's like he has some other ship to
Speaker 2: put to that.
Speaker 3: How many people you think can release a record and
Speaker 3: then re release it with new rhymes and they hit harder?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard, Yeah, that's not that's not That's not the
Speaker 1: thing that can be done. Yeah. Yeah, And that was
Speaker 1: that answer. But for me too, that video was a
Speaker 1: part one and two that had like azy big, they
Speaker 1: was all playing your brother, they was all playing monopoly
Speaker 1: with real money. That was in debt press two or one.
Speaker 1: That video that was one.
Speaker 4: I think I think I think that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have the cheat code. I would take from
Speaker 1: part one the second verse and part two the first verse,
Speaker 1: and that's the perfect Dead President. That's my cheek code version.
Speaker 4: I need.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another one? What's going on? Part more? Rory Baby
Speaker 1: did names Man.
Speaker 6: Not the Bronx?
Speaker 1: My question for Bleaker is, if you had the chance to.
Speaker 3: Do an album produced by Kanye or just Blaze, which
Speaker 3: one will he.
Speaker 1: Pick and why.
Speaker 4: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: It's a great question.
Speaker 4: It's a fucking great question.
Speaker 1: Oh man.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna not talk about the present day people.
Speaker 1: We're gonna what's your opinion on the Jewish community?
Speaker 4: Yo, chick Chip, they gave me gosh, we're good.
Speaker 1: Semitic acide. Just blaze of Kanye West, of who you
Speaker 1: would want to do a project with at this point.
Speaker 3: Just blaze for the last thirty years, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: the same fucking problem. I gotta go find this Niggayah.
Speaker 4: He ain't easy to be founded.
Speaker 3: They even got a card that's drawing like a comic book.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like at night you can't see if
Speaker 3: you just see the outline of the car, you gotta
Speaker 3: paint it the way at night.
Speaker 4: It turns invisible almost. Yeah, just as different. So but
Speaker 4: that being sad, today's Kanye West.
Speaker 3: I had to find them, get him some help counseling
Speaker 3: so I wouldn't be today's Kanye.
Speaker 4: So let's go back in the day.
Speaker 1: Okay, before you know the opinion of anyone, just as
Speaker 1: discovered Nintendo, let's just both three times.
Speaker 3: I have to say Kanye, okay, why because I never
Speaker 3: got beats from him the way I wanted to, Just
Speaker 3: as my bro.
Speaker 4: I love him. I mean masterpieces. Just we had some classics.
Speaker 3: Sure, Like I said, I have over ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: records with Just already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one with Kanye.
Speaker 3: So I would say Kanye just off that fact to
Speaker 3: relive that moment and getting to work with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard you missed on the Uchi Wally be
Speaker 1: Is there any just a Kanye beats that you passed on?
Speaker 4: They said, I passed on. Oh boy, it wasn't. It
Speaker 4: was whoa.
Speaker 1: It was whoa?
Speaker 4: Okay, whoa shout?
Speaker 1: I forgot who passed on? You passed the Whoa?
Speaker 3: But the beat not that it wasn't. What wasn't They
Speaker 3: just saying that's what I trying to tell me made
Speaker 3: it say.
Speaker 2: But even that beat though, like I'm I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't see, No, that's a beat like that?
Speaker 4: What you think of that? Over that the same tape?
Speaker 1: Okay, well that worked out okay for everybody. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I could see that too, even the Whoe beat. Of
Speaker 1: course it's crazy. But if you take out knowing what
Speaker 1: Black Rob did on that, that could just be like
Speaker 1: some radio freestyle beat.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, like I didn't see
Speaker 3: the vision he heard to be like yo, everything, like
Speaker 3: whoa you're just.
Speaker 1: Having raw beats? What you think of that? Or WHOA?
Speaker 1: What you thinking?
Speaker 2: That would definitely grab your ear and you'll be like okay,
Speaker 2: especially if you're thinking I need a single, like what
Speaker 2: you think of that?
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he's.
Speaker 4: Got some classics.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: The people I still discover records like Buck Wild did that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, Buck is crazy? Yeah, uh Ron, we got
Speaker 1: the last one that's that's non Bleak related. But I
Speaker 1: do want your opinion. This gentleman's going through something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, what's up to the marias Rory and Maul. My
Speaker 7: name is Odds. I'm from Port Saint Lucie, Florida. I
Speaker 7: got a story to tell. I'm gonna mackey quick. So
Speaker 7: I tried this before. It didn't work. I got baby Mama.
Speaker 7: I've been with this six We broke up in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 7: She on me, she knew me with a chick. That
Speaker 7: ship does happen.
Speaker 1: Just so you niggas know, this game was.
Speaker 7: Really can't compete.
Speaker 1: They ended up.
Speaker 7: I found out some years later because we stopped talking,
Speaker 7: you know, not even for the kid.
Speaker 1: We just stopped talking.
Speaker 5: She was talking as well, but we stopped talking but
Speaker 5: she married Homegirl.
Speaker 1: Homegirls ended up leaving her because she found out she.
Speaker 8: Had as She couldn't deal with that chip that wasn't like.
Speaker 5: Yo, man just recently giving me some rhythm yo, apprehension
Speaker 5: on how to pursue that if I should pursue that
Speaker 5: part of me wants to pursue. That part of me is.
Speaker 1: Like, yo, that's just that't going bro get.
Speaker 8: Out My daughter fifteen this summer, like it's time to
Speaker 8: get out, it's over. I just want some advice, you know, yo,
Speaker 8: yo from my favorite podcast, What's Up?
Speaker 5: Help me out?
Speaker 4: Help him out? I need to start a help.
Speaker 3: Out because that that is that jamake. You gotta said,
Speaker 3: that's wicked any bed that's wicked, mind yo, I want
Speaker 3: to laugh.
Speaker 1: But he said she left me for a chick. Got
Speaker 1: mad right there.
Speaker 3: Let you know he wasn't paying her no attention. Girls
Speaker 3: love attention. Girls gonna give each other that attention. They're
Speaker 3: gonna go get that lunch, that brud. So, yeah, you
Speaker 3: ain't paying your bitch no attentions. Nobody wills.
Speaker 1: Somebody will for sure. There you go that.
Speaker 4: But then the girl left her. That means she's double back.
Speaker 1: No, she's fitting something he said, she's giving me rhythm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what he was feeling before, the basics, like the trouble
Speaker 1: for sure, he got.
Speaker 3: Now he's feeling the rythm, the rhythms well, and he
Speaker 3: said his daughter is fifteen. He gotta go get out.
Speaker 3: He answered his own question. He said, it's over.
Speaker 1: That's why I think sometimes he said, we call in.
Speaker 1: They just need to listen to their own voicemails, to
Speaker 1: listen back to what you just said, Like because this
Speaker 1: girl cheating on you with the girl and cool that
Speaker 1: ended up being her queen. Whatever. She went to staples.
Speaker 1: She wanted her scissors and she got them. She's happy.
Speaker 1: But then her queen, who she finally found that would
Speaker 1: pay attention, got ms, and I thought it was death
Speaker 1: to us part. We have to fucking through sickness and health.
Speaker 1: She gets ms and she's like, nah, back to the
Speaker 1: only guy that she knows because they share a kid,
Speaker 1: and she know that is just terrible. But not only that,
Speaker 1: though they knew, he said, the knew they was six.
Speaker 1: They think they I think he said that since they
Speaker 1: were six, right, they grew and.
Speaker 3: Say what they call that simple? Simply what's his name?
Speaker 3: He ain't simply oh j simply another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, simply that you would have handled out another way, simply.
Speaker 4: Simply living days.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, before we let you alone, before we
Speaker 2: let you go. Is there any way we can bring
Speaker 2: a man to some peace? To you and yay on murder.
Speaker 3: Tell niggas come higher at me, man, they want me
Speaker 3: to come on the war? What is the war report?
Speaker 1: The real report? Put up to the.
Speaker 3: Real report, they could pull up the rock solid, yo, bro,
Speaker 3: I have no beef for nobody.
Speaker 1: Know what you said? It was cool, like you A
Speaker 1: murder was cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got three videos, we got mass sores together.
Speaker 3: Me and the True Life is out here looking for
Speaker 3: the ops together. Now that me and True just was
Speaker 3: riding in the car ready for all smoke.
Speaker 1: Now I'm in the smoke like goddam with a lot
Speaker 1: of that's holding this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yo, Dawn though, And I think that he kind
Speaker 2: of felt like what you said about uh, you know
Speaker 2: gu and It or anybody June affiliated.
Speaker 1: He felt a way about that.
Speaker 3: He can't do that. He gunit sendicate man, that's like
Speaker 3: wou send the Kate. He not an original member of
Speaker 3: g unit. The way he gonna take on the scars
Speaker 3: and the wombs that they had from the beginning.
Speaker 1: He sat in the beginning to fifty face.
Speaker 4: He would never.
Speaker 3: Sign to him, right, so you can't now wear the
Speaker 3: scars nigga like, come on, that's like a nigga get
Speaker 3: down with us right now. I'm not going he gonna
Speaker 3: just act like he had beef with Nas and Jungle, like.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's not right. But there is room
Speaker 1: for y'all to sit down and.
Speaker 3: All the time, because I don't have no pree for
Speaker 3: nobody had chilling my life, got records moving, no more moving.
Speaker 3: I'm the last thing before is to be riding around
Speaker 3: New York hoppy.
Speaker 1: It's too hot.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to get back a moment
Speaker 3: like what's the outfit for the territory?
Speaker 1: Dash? Gentrified? Now exactly what the fuck?
Speaker 3: They're gonna run up on you with a fit fit
Speaker 3: bit bracelet and kill you jogging, get count his steps
Speaker 3: and clip you.
Speaker 1: We're not ready for this, yo, We're not ready for
Speaker 1: the way here that jo can sit down. And of
Speaker 1: course we got to make that happen before it went
Speaker 1: this far.
Speaker 3: We reached out to Murder because I wanted to get
Speaker 3: some clarification as to what Yeah, Yo meant maybe he
Speaker 3: could have sat down with me and we could have
Speaker 3: cleared it right. They didn't have to go this fuck
Speaker 3: who knows man, you know what I mean. We gotta
Speaker 3: make let's tell fifty comes to that. We want to
Speaker 3: know what's up with him in the big Homie, come
Speaker 3: talk to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we definitely do that hoppy our Yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Might change my name the Optimist Prime.
Speaker 1: Before we let you go to celebrate Reasonable Doubt thirty
Speaker 1: years As of July thirty first, twenty twenty six. Top
Speaker 1: five j albums in order, in order from number one
Speaker 1: to five.
Speaker 3: Me yeah, Black album, number one, American Gangster Ool.
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting you to say that.
Speaker 4: Number three, Reasonable Doubt Before.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put a lot of curve ball in there.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the album with him and the
Speaker 3: rock group, the Lincoln Parkship Lincoln Park, the live album,
Speaker 3: because that got some gems like when they remix them
Speaker 3: to be it's.
Speaker 1: Different the Whites. We love that in the bar.
Speaker 4: Number five, that's.
Speaker 1: A great that's a great carry out the album. If
Speaker 1: you go down, if you go down Jersey Shore, that
Speaker 1: does not it does numbers out like you know alb
Speaker 1: like and Congress. You performed for the first time in
Speaker 1: shot No Congress, right, that's that's fire Man. Congratulations, Thank you. Bro.
Speaker 4: Do say moving.
Speaker 1: Number five?
Speaker 4: Fifth album?
Speaker 3: Man, I would say Volume two because that's the one
Speaker 3: that took us over Bowl, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Hard Knock Life, that's the one that on that crossover planet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more reasonable, hard Knock Black Album, Blueprint.
Speaker 1: I forgot, Yeah, you gave Lincoln Park over a blueprint plak.
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna forgive you.
Speaker 4: No, No, it ain't over. But that's just like a f.
Speaker 1: And then pri American Gangster gotcha mind changes often after
Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. It used to be Blueprint one, but Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint,
Speaker 1: Black Album, American Gangster four forty four.
Speaker 3: See and you and this get this? You said it
Speaker 3: might be the end of the New York run. What
Speaker 3: about Black Album thirty?
Speaker 1: Blackout thirty, Oh, Shaye Stadium. I'm starting Sasha Stadium.
Speaker 3: That would be ridiculous. Like Blackout thirty. You gotta have
Speaker 3: a new New York blackout. You gotta have the city
Speaker 3: shut down the power like it's O three. Do you
Speaker 3: have what's next? That's what we do. Shut down the
Speaker 3: Power Grig, Blackout, thirty Whole City.
Speaker 1: When's the So Far Gone Anniversary might be the same year.
Speaker 1: Do you want Do you want Jay to put out
Speaker 1: a new album?
Speaker 4: No, I don't either me neither.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't either.
Speaker 4: I think he could.
Speaker 3: He could give you one one one joint, Yeah, because
Speaker 3: he got j Is on some major bullshit. Because I'm
Speaker 3: a rapper and I know what rappers do. You practice?
Speaker 3: You might see some ship like, oh, that gave me
Speaker 3: an idea, yo goo put this beat on lay some ship.
Speaker 3: Nobody hear it, but you don't know, Go tell me,
Speaker 3: yo yo.
Speaker 4: Jay got some ship.
Speaker 3: It's like steal a hard drive the way they said
Speaker 3: Cali hard Let's steal a JH. But we want the
Speaker 3: Cali hard Drive. Let's get the j hard have changed
Speaker 3: mad lives. I got I be Oprah with it. So
Speaker 3: for you, so for you, so for you. That's talking
Speaker 3: about it on there like I've told you Oprah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't. I don't think I want another JA,
Speaker 1: like a new Ja out. If he has something to say,
Speaker 1: I want to and all hes gonna say.
Speaker 3: See this is the thing I think we live in
Speaker 3: the world at Nortter what he said. People gonna have
Speaker 3: something to say, of course, so it's like it's no
Speaker 3: right or wrong thing to say, and he wants anything
Speaker 3: you say is gonna be whatever people deem it as
Speaker 3: because ever since, like think about it, they crucified me
Speaker 3: with the activism stuff because I did violate be like, yo,
Speaker 3: I ain't with the activism shit. I don't know what
Speaker 3: I was thinking. Bought me, had me hot. I never
Speaker 3: want to see those shit like that. I gotta make
Speaker 3: sure I old trip and slip or some shit like that.
Speaker 3: Ever get But ever since I called the black hood
Speaker 3: fabricAll my song shit been crickets now no, now the
Speaker 3: activists don't want no smoke.
Speaker 1: With a real activist wit you and mice have no
Speaker 1: that's my dog, that's the hood fabric.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they better put respect on niggas on the front line.
Speaker 3: All these niggas on the front of the post. He's
Speaker 3: on the front line, all the front of the post.
Speaker 3: People was all in my comments going crazy. I bought
Speaker 3: the front of the line. Nigga who outside with it?
Speaker 3: Shit crickets Now it's quiet. Don't want no more smoke
Speaker 3: that op died. I'm cool activist community.
Speaker 4: I'm back.
Speaker 1: That's why we have you here, Bleak. Exit strategy for
Speaker 1: Iran yo, yeah, listen.
Speaker 3: Exit strategy for I red is the reset. But like
Speaker 3: going too you go too far to gaate like up,
Speaker 3: like reset, let's start over. He's just reset this ship.
Speaker 3: Just be like yo, listen, Wilent. Yeah, everybody race you
Speaker 3: got one on the books.
Speaker 4: We got one on the book back to zero.
Speaker 2: So yes, even Stevens, we would start over the wrong fu. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you're bleak. We want to thank you for finally coming
Speaker 2: up man man doing this episode. Man, salute to you
Speaker 2: because we're talking about reasonable dout thirty years but obviously
Speaker 2: you've been there every step of the way, still holding
Speaker 2: the flag, still wrapping the rock. And I just want
Speaker 2: to say we appreciate everything that you've given the culture,
Speaker 2: everything that you've provided over the years, all of the balls,
Speaker 2: all of the moments, and we hope to continue to
Speaker 2: see you Bill and do say.
Speaker 4: I appreciate rock solid.
Speaker 1: Pocket. We gotta come dough rock solid.
Speaker 4: Yes, you gotta pull up man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing rock solid. You gotta do rock solid.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I did this. Is not know my t
Speaker 4: dot oh card is still good.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, you're good man. It's no beavers, no shout
Speaker 1: out car real legend and they going the show with you.
Speaker 1: You better pull out all your fucking joints because he
Speaker 1: gonna make you this legend. People don't met him perform first.
Speaker 1: That's right. You better touch the stage first. That's somebody else.
Speaker 1: You want to talk to his car now, so we
Speaker 1: gotta get car out of here. Man, that's easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: give him his flowers and ship man, absolutely, that's six. Ship.
Speaker 4: Haven't been to the six.
Speaker 1: You got to come to the six. Man. Make sure
Speaker 1: we're good. Yeah, we're good man.
Speaker 4: Niggas out there taking change that family in Toronto.
Speaker 3: Man, I was the criminal across the border, like, no
Speaker 3: fucking buggy.
Speaker 1: Now, these niggas got goods. They were shice. Toronto always
Speaker 1: been like that.
Speaker 3: Though the most diverse girls happen to. The girl came
Speaker 3: out was the one in the place in the world
Speaker 3: where you win every rapper. That's why any basketball player
Speaker 3: that ever got traded to Toronto, they never complain.
Speaker 1: You never heard a nigga like, yo, we don't want
Speaker 1: to go play. Niggas like we want to go bugging beautiful.
Speaker 1: It is ippy out there. Issue with drinking is making
Speaker 1: that sity so popular? Why did you tell the rest
Speaker 1: of the world I was amazing this place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I be out there.
Speaker 1: It's at he he shouldn't be mad. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make sure it's still good over there.
Speaker 2: You're good, man, We're all good in Toronto. Man, that's
Speaker 2: family up there. Man, everything good.
Speaker 1: Why don't shoot his part in Toronto?
Speaker 3: Got them make sure top five there, he gotta be got.
Speaker 3: I gotta talk the top five. Certain niggas on the internet,
Speaker 3: they do their thing. I'm watching. I gotta beat you.
Speaker 1: I got you. I fucked with your step I got you.
Speaker 1: Gift him the Nazi change. Yeah, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like you got questions. Yeah, I gotta sit with top
Speaker 1: What is what is the opps like down here? What? What?
Speaker 1: What a day?
Speaker 4: And banging out here?
Speaker 3: I gotta know because back then it wasn't like it
Speaker 3: is today.
Speaker 1: So it changed.
Speaker 2: It was more, it was it was it was more
Speaker 2: if you know, you know back then with the internet,
Speaker 2: you know exactly, Toronto is like New York, bro. I
Speaker 2: tell people all the time, Toronto is a lot like
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 3: Toron Why people better not sleep on ship, right, there
Speaker 3: next to Buffalo. If you know Buffalo, everything in legal
Speaker 3: go through Buffalo ship right there.
Speaker 1: One of those things called parking Rymes by the bus
Speaker 1: was a parking Ryan Sling. Shot you a pack across
Speaker 1: a bro before the drum. Yeah, hell under now you
Speaker 1: can drone drop the Yeah, I'm not fucking with Top five.
Speaker 1: He got it. Look he got it.
Speaker 3: How y'all gonna put that? See the top out there
Speaker 3: putting in that work. I don't know about Top four
Speaker 3: up here from New York, man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: I think the Top four, but it got worked.
Speaker 1: This niggas crazy. That was thirty years of reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Memphis, blinking the building, Drop that leg,
Speaker 1: just jed, you always
Speaker 3: Loved You know what it is that man, You know
Speaker 3: what it is, y'all