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Speaker 1: Paully, tis the season? Is it not? Right now? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Pabably, There's no doubt about it. Coaching matters, not as

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Speaker 6: To start this year, there was a video Mario Crystobald,

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Speaker 6: How about a new rule, only two categories per player.

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Speaker 6: When he did play, you knew it. Dave pash Aq Shipley.

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Speaker 6: They called his name quite a bit when he was

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Speaker 6: A rookie year for young Will Johnson. It is the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about that, PAULI really I think

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Speaker 6: And you know what, he talked a lot about and

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Speaker 6: when he had that pick that wasn't when he's running

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, Paul. You know what, Will Johnson I

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Speaker 6: Even that Week one game he had the big hit

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Speaker 6: We had him here on the Big Red Rage. It

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Speaker 7: I think I still fell a Sam affect about it.

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Speaker 7: In we definitely opened my eyes a lot of things

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Speaker 6: No doubt. I mean, that is his fuel. So look,

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Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. Denzel Burke, I think, has welcomed himself

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Speaker 8: Of being a pro at the end of the day.

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Speaker 8: You know, if you can't find your way on defense,

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Speaker 6: And I tell you, we'll standing next to him on

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, once again, I do believe there is

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Speaker 1: They've got to get healthy as well. But I think

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't expect them to use a high draft

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Speaker 1: I think, paul A, They're gonna look at him inside

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Speaker 6: Real quick, do you think the Cardinals are going to

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Speaker 5: It's a forty two.

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Speaker 1: Yard trial with the win that is back.

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Speaker 9: The snap is good, the ball is down, the kickers away,

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Speaker 9: the kid is God end over end. The Rams are

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Speaker 9: going to champions chipleeke nd the La Rams of what

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Speaker 9: minus They're gonna go to Seattle for a chance to

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Speaker 9: go to Super Bowl sixty and is definitely quiet at Soldier.

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Speaker 6: Field, Ah, the unmistakable enthusiasm of Kevin Harland Love Kevin

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Speaker 6: Harland West, would one there you go? The final call

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Speaker 6: of the Rams playoff win at Chicago. Can the Rams

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Speaker 6: become the sixth team ever to win three road games

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Speaker 6: in one postseason because the foremost recent teams to do

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Speaker 6: that went on to win the Super Bowl? It is

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Speaker 6: a big red rage presented by emergency air Paul calvc

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Speaker 6: ron woefully and were you not entertained?

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Speaker 1: Wolf?

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Speaker 6: How about the Caleb Williams the fourth town fleeing to

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Speaker 6: cole Comet and then they go overtime?

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Speaker 1: Paul, I honestly, I thought, when Caleb Williams ran back

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Speaker 1: from you gotta remember the ball was on the fourteen

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Speaker 1: yard line. Paul ran back to the forty to turn

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Speaker 1: around and chuck the hell Mary if you will, to

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Speaker 1: cole Comet in the end zone. I when he caught

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Speaker 1: that and all of a sudden it was tied up again,

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Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna win this game. They are

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Speaker 1: going to win this game. And sure enough it took

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Speaker 1: somebody like Matthew Stafford to get on top of all

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Speaker 1: of that energy at Soldier Field, and ultimately in the

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Speaker 1: end didn't matter at all and the Rams won.

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Speaker 6: Show hands who shouted some version of OMG when Cole

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Speaker 6: Comett caught that the horse overtime right, I mean every

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Speaker 6: unbelievable it really was. Sorry, So now you get an

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Speaker 6: NFC championship. Rams at the Seahawks gonna be their third

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Speaker 6: meet this year. They split the regular season with the Rams,

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Speaker 6: were winning twenty one nineteen at home Seattle, winning thirty

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Speaker 6: eight to thirty seven in Seattle. Most recently when the

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Speaker 6: Rams blew that sixteen point fourth quarter lead and they

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Speaker 6: lost home field advantage in the playoffs because of that.

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Speaker 6: Remember that, and then afterwards Sean McVay fired a special

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Speaker 6: teams coordinator because Rashid Sheet had the punt return that

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Speaker 6: sparked the entire comeback. But you look at these two teams,

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Speaker 6: and you look at the series the last four times

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Speaker 6: they've met Wolf. You take all four of the last

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Speaker 6: games combined, they've been separated by two points and ten

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Speaker 6: total yards. That's how closely contested. The last four meetings

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Speaker 6: between the Rams and Seahawks have been.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, PAULI, I did not hear that stat

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Speaker 1: That is excellent by you, well done. I should have

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Speaker 1: like that. These stats it.

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Speaker 6: Was kind of ripped off Adam Schef, but it was

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Speaker 6: a graphic anyway, it was there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I love about this game first and foremost

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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game between the Rams and the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: This is a grudge game. If ever there is a

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Speaker 1: grudge game, this is gonna be it right here, Polly.

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Speaker 1: We all know that it's tough to play any team twice,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the reasons why the NFL has

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Speaker 1: it where you play your division fos twice and it's

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Speaker 1: nasty and it's physical. And when you play a team

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Speaker 1: twice every year, you get to know the players that

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Speaker 1: are on the roster, and maybe not in a very

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Speaker 1: friendly kind of way, but you get to know these guys. Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, in one year, you're going to

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Speaker 1: play a team three times and you've already split to

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Speaker 1: your point, it's been a dog fight in both games,

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Speaker 1: and now here comes game number three, and it's this,

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Speaker 1: to me is my favorite scenario. You could possibly have

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Speaker 1: a third game being played between two NFL teams.

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Speaker 2: Where you know the guy. You literally know what he's

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Speaker 2: good at, what he's not good at, what this team

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Speaker 2: would like to do, what they don't want to do.

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Speaker 2: And yet, at the same time, as I'm saying all

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Speaker 2: of that, you can actually use what they think they

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Speaker 2: know against about you against them, Paul, you can actually

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Speaker 2: use their knowledge of you against them. You can do

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Speaker 2: it offensively and what plays you're gonna call, and you

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Speaker 2: can do it defensively as well. What they think they

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Speaker 2: know about you, maybe they don't, and maybe you can

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Speaker 2: exploit that in game number three.

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Speaker 6: And arguably the best in the business at breaking your

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Speaker 6: own tendencies or using your own tendencies to your advantage

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Speaker 6: against the defense expecting your tendencies, Sean McVeigh. It's got

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Speaker 6: to either be McVeigh or Kyle Shanahan. It's one of

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Speaker 6: the other. And you know to your point about that,

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Speaker 6: and what's crazy is Sean mcvah And I mentioned this

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Speaker 6: on Cardinal's Underground the podcast. To me, I'm watching the

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Speaker 6: Sean McVay postgame press conference in Chicago Live, and he

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Speaker 6: went from you know, celebrating and emoting, and then he

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Speaker 6: kept coming back just nobody even asked him about it.

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Speaker 6: He kept coming back, did you see Seattle's defense and

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Speaker 6: what they looked like last night? And he would sober

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Speaker 6: up in an instant because like his eyes would get wide.

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Speaker 6: I mean, what Seattle put on film and that forty

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Speaker 6: And I get it, the Niners are all banged up.

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Speaker 6: But Wolf, give me a thought on that Seattle defense,

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Speaker 6: because I've heard it argued that Seattle defense has actually

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Speaker 6: elevated significantly since that overtime win a few weeks ago

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Speaker 6: against the Rams at the end of the regular season.

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Speaker 6: That's so much better Seattle's defense has become since then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paulie, especially with her tackling. If you watch him tackle,

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Speaker 1: they'd be They've become much more fundamentally sound. I thought

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Speaker 1: they were kind of lacking at that earlier in the year.

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Speaker 1: But Mike McDonald, just knowing him, he's going to be better.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you, PAULI For me, at least,

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Speaker 1: I'm fascinating with Matthew Stafford versus Sam Donald. I believe

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you got Matthew Stafford, who's seventeen years Paul.

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Speaker 1: Has he won a Super Bowl? Yes he has as

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact. And you have to remember that

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford had the moniker of not winning the big

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Speaker 1: game either. And now all of a sudden, here comes

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald and he's got that moniker of not winning

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Speaker 1: the big game or not playing well. Would you say

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Speaker 1: that this is a big game right here? I'm fascinated

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Speaker 1: with this from a personal psychological standpoint to actually see

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Speaker 1: a guy take his team to the highest level here

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Speaker 1: it is to win championship weekend, win the NFC. Can

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald go out and play well enough where they

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Speaker 1: should win this game? I can't wait to see it.

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Speaker 1: I don't root against anybody. I'm just gonna let this

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Speaker 1: come to me.

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Speaker 6: Paul, No, it's a great point though. You're right, it's

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Speaker 6: the Sam Donald factor. I mean, this is his eighth

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Speaker 6: year in the league. He just won his first playoff.

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Speaker 1: Game, that's right.

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Speaker 6: And how much did he have to do with that

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Speaker 6: forty one to six pounding in the fornat He went

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Speaker 6: twelve to seventeen for a buck twenty four in a

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Speaker 6: single touchdown. I mean during the regular season, he had

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Speaker 6: twenty giveaways, he had fourteen picks, he had six loss fumbles.

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Speaker 6: He has not done well against Chris Shula and that

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Speaker 6: Rams defense. He had a four pick game in the

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Speaker 6: first meeting YEP, which they came back and almost won.

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Speaker 6: He threw two more picks and lost to fumble in

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Speaker 6: that game where Seattle did come back and win. And

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Speaker 6: then think about his playoff game against the Rams when

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Speaker 6: he's playing for the Vikings last year at State Farm Stadium.

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Speaker 6: Remember they because of the SOCW wildfires, they moved the

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Speaker 6: game here to the az And in that game, that's

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Speaker 6: where Chris Shulo's defense, Jared versus Company, they sacked him

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Speaker 6: nine times, Yes, and he had a pick. I mean

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Speaker 6: he's still seeing ghosts from that playoff loss against the

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Speaker 6: Rams a year ago.

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Speaker 1: I know, PAULI. And once again when you say he's

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Speaker 1: still seeing ghosts, the problem is they're not ghosts. Brayden

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Speaker 1: Fisk is not Yeah poona Ford, Kobe Turner, Byron R. Young,

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Speaker 1: Jared Verse. I mean, these guys, Paul, are are the

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Speaker 1: strength to me, at least of that Rams defense is

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Speaker 1: their front and their ability to not only play the run,

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Speaker 1: but get after an opposing quarterback. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is what Sam Darnold is going to have to get over.

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Speaker 1: It's the defensive front that I think is the strength

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Speaker 1: of the Los Angeles Rams and what they do to

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Speaker 1: you defensively.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and know Zach Charbonay he had a season ny

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Speaker 6: knee injury. It's going to take him into next regular

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Speaker 6: season unfortunately. So instead of a one two punch of

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Speaker 6: running back, it's gonna be Kenneth Walker, the IID and

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Speaker 6: then JSN and we'll see what other weapons Seattle has.

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Speaker 6: But then flip a Wolf. I mean, it's the Seahawks

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Speaker 6: number one scoring defense against the Rams number one scoring offense.

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Speaker 6: And here's the thing. Yes, Seattle came back and won

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Speaker 6: that last meeting, but for three quarters, Matthew Stafford was

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Speaker 6: carving up that Seattle defense like no one has done

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Speaker 6: in recent history. I mean, you got to figure Matthew

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Speaker 6: Stafford goes in, you know with Pukainacoah DeVante Adams, Tyler Higbee,

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Speaker 6: and they gotta have some confidence against the Seahawks. D

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Speaker 6: I know they're flying high right now, but if there's

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Speaker 6: one guy who has done really well against Seattle, it's

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Speaker 6: been Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, Matthew Stafford has been able to

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Speaker 1: handle a lot of the pressure of the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I think of the Seattle Seahawks defense, though, Paul, immediately,

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Speaker 1: where does your mind go Leonard Williams. That's that's where

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Speaker 1: I go.

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Speaker 6: Ninety nine, yep.

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine. Even now, Paully, my mind still goes there.

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about PSD, I mean PTSD, whatever

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Speaker 1: they call it, PAULI that to me is Leonard Williams

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Speaker 1: and Byron Murphy, the second DeMarcus Lawrence. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a defensive line the Seattle Seahawks. They

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Speaker 1: be a bloodbaut This is going to be, to me,

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Speaker 1: maybe the most physical game we've seen all year. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: That Seattle defense has all pros at all three levels.

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Speaker 6: Ernest Jones at linebacker, you have Devin Witherspoon at corner,

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Speaker 6: a really talented defense. To me, the Twelves don't deserve it.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, you know, I mean, they just had their

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Speaker 6: first playoff game in a decade in Seattle last week.

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Speaker 6: You know, enough is enough for the twelves. Come on,

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Speaker 6: now about that?

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Speaker 1: So I think the Rams are gonna win it?

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Speaker 6: Balika, Well, here's an act for a hot take. We're

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Speaker 6: gonna come back, We're gonna talk. Question is is the

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Speaker 6: winner of this NFC Championship just gonna win the Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl automatically? Are they that far ahead to the AFC?

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Speaker 10: Send the Broncos to the AFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 5: Here's the snap, the spot.

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Speaker 2: The kick is up, it is.

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Speaker 10: God, and the Broncos win in over time, Denver thirty three,

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Speaker 10: Buffalo thirty and for the first time in a decade,

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Speaker 10: the Denver Broncos are back in the AFC Championship Game.

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Speaker 10: Denver wins thirty three thirty and overtime victory, and the

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Speaker 10: Broncos will be right here at Mile High next week

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Speaker 10: with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line.

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Speaker 6: All right, great finishing call there, Ryan Radkey west Wood

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Speaker 6: one and yeah you want to hit zoom out. It's

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Speaker 6: the first playoff win for the Denver Broncos since Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl fifty, and of course to get to Super Bowl fifty,

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Speaker 6: the Broncos beat the Patriots and that was Peyton Manning

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Speaker 6: against Tom Brady. So there's a lot of history between

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Speaker 6: these two teams, especially in this type of setting with

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Speaker 6: a super Bowl on the line. It is a big

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Speaker 6: red rage presented by emergency here Paul kelvec Ron Wolfley,

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Speaker 6: and the winner of the AFC goes on to take

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Speaker 6: on the winner of the Rams and the Seahawks. We

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Speaker 6: just talked about that. Well, just some initial thoughts when

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Speaker 6: you think of Patriots going to get the Broncos, including

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Speaker 6: the Broncos minus their starting quarterback Clone Knicks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, PAULI, well I'm going to start with a full

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Speaker 1: back poly so don't worry about that and bone Nicks

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Speaker 1: right now. I'll let you actually pick that up. The obvious,

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Speaker 1: of course, isn't it odd that three of the four teams,

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Speaker 1: the final four teams, three of them have a full back, Paul,

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Speaker 1: Just so you know that right there. Hashtag can't let slide. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you just cannot let it slide. They will. And not

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Speaker 1: only that, it's you know, you need to be one back.

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Speaker 1: You need to be two back. You need to run

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Speaker 1: three tight ends out there from time to time and

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Speaker 1: go thirteen personnel. You need to run out there with

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Speaker 1: eleven person ten personnel, four wide receivers. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: need to do stuff like this. You need to be

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Speaker 1: varied and variables is what you need with your offense.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, Paulague, I think this is going

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Speaker 1: to be something that we're going to see more and

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Speaker 1: more and more of as the NFL unfolds next year.

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Speaker 1: We're going to see more teams being whatever they need

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Speaker 1: to be in order to beat you. I've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this for a while, but we'll see how this

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Speaker 1: thing unfolds. Right here when you talk about the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: To your point, Paul, it all starts with the quarterback

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Speaker 1: Jared Stidham. Can you imagine being Jared Stidham in this situation.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he hasn't started a game in more than

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Speaker 6: two years. He hasn't even thrown a pass in a

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Speaker 6: regular season game in more than two years. He think

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Speaker 6: about that, Paul, this will be his fifth NFL start ever,

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Speaker 6: so and now he's stepping in for Bonnicks who underwent

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Speaker 6: surgery this week for the ankle. He's appeared in twenty

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Speaker 6: games and six NFL seasons. So to your point about

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Speaker 6: being what you need to be to what does Sean

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Speaker 6: Payton need to do with the offense? How radical does

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Speaker 6: he change the DNA of the Denver offense to suit

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Speaker 6: the fact they have a they have a quarterback who,

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Speaker 6: if nothing else, isn't nearly as athletic as Bonix.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Paul. For me, they're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be really balanced, I mean hyper balanced. I expect them

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Speaker 1: to come out and try to run the ball and

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Speaker 1: attack in a north south kind of way. And the

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Speaker 1: reason being is because Garrett Bowls of course, and Quinn

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Speaker 1: minors these This offensive line, I think is one of

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Speaker 1: the best offensive lines now. Listen, they aren't great in

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Speaker 1: terms of run blocking overall, they're good, They're they're they're

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Speaker 1: better than average, I would say. Yet at the same time,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to pass protection, and this is gonna

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Speaker 1: help Jarrett stit them out an awful lot. This offensive

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Speaker 1: line for the Denver Broncos number one in terms of

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Speaker 1: sacks per attempt a lot out number one in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. They do a great job of protecting

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Speaker 1: their quarterback. So Jared Stidham is going to get the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to be an impact in this game because of

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Speaker 1: Sean Paton. Sean Payton is an excellent offensive mind, as

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Speaker 1: you know, PAULI, So listen. I think it's it's a

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Speaker 1: little myopic to look at Jared Stidham and say, well,

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Speaker 1: they're just gonna come out and they're they're gonna treat

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Speaker 1: him like Sam Darnold and have them throw the ball

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Speaker 1: seventeen times in a game. Not so fast, my friend.

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Speaker 6: You're careful on that, and I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 6: I guess what's our confidence level in Denver being able

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Speaker 6: to establish a run game against New England, Because let's

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Speaker 6: not forget the leading rusher last week was Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 6: He had twenty nine yards and a dozen carries. Julia

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Speaker 6: McLoughlin had twenty one yards on four rushes, the rookie

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Speaker 6: ok Harvey twenty yards rushing on six handoffs. Buffalo is

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Speaker 6: not exactly known for its run defense, but Denver had

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Speaker 6: a hard time establishing a ground game last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, right about that, Paully. They did. And

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Speaker 1: yet the Patriots, I would say, once again number six

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Speaker 1: in the National Football League in terms of rushing yards

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Speaker 1: per game allowed, number thirteen in rushing yards per play

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Speaker 1: but number six and rushing yards per game allowed during

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Speaker 1: the regular season. So they definitely are good, Paully. Yet

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I do believe that the Denver

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Speaker 1: Broncos and their ability to run the ball is going

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Speaker 1: to be the difference. For me, it's the quarterback, Drake May.

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Speaker 1: Drake May, what are you going to do for the

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots because I think he could be the difference.

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Speaker 1: This is a stone cold killer, Paul. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but watching him last week and the cool, calm,

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Speaker 1: collective approach of Drake May was impressive.

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Speaker 6: So think about the task for Drake May. No quarterback

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Speaker 6: has ever beaten three top five defenses in a single postseason.

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Speaker 6: The New England Patriots beat the t Chargers with the

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Speaker 6: number five ranked defense. They just beat the Texans with

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Speaker 6: a number one ranked defense. Now they get the Denver

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Speaker 6: Broncos with the number two ranked defense. In fact, number

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Speaker 6: two in total D number three in scoring D would

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Speaker 6: be Vance Joseph's unit allowing just over eighteen points per game,

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Speaker 6: and Drake May, although effective and victorious, he had two

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Speaker 6: turnovers against the Chargers. He had three turnovers against Houston.

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Speaker 6: Now the ball was frozen solid and there were a

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Speaker 6: ton of fumbles and you saw CJ. Stroud with four interceptions.

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Speaker 1: In that game.

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Speaker 6: But you know, what is your confidence? I mean we're

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Speaker 6: talking Drake May is right there with Matthew Stafford for

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Speaker 6: NFL MVP. Do you think it translated against this Denver defense,

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Speaker 6: especially in the big stage of an AFC champions I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, Paully. That's the other thing that makes it

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Speaker 1: so fascinating for me. Right, May has played exceptionally well

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Speaker 1: all season long. And I know too that there are

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Speaker 1: people that are still looking at the New England Patriots

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Speaker 1: saying they haven't played anybody.

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Speaker 6: Right, well, they did have the easiest schedule in the.

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Speaker 1: A that's right. Yet at the same time, honestly, beware

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Speaker 1: if you think you're going to go out there and

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Speaker 1: suddenly the New England Patriots aren't going to show up

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Speaker 1: in ball. I expect the Patriots to actually have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to win this game. And if you had to

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Speaker 1: put a metaphorical gun to my head right now, I

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Speaker 1: would pick the New England Patriots to win. Obviously, Jared

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Speaker 1: Stidham being the quarterback. Yet at the same time, when

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Speaker 1: you look at the offensive line for the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 1: and their defense as well, and how well that defense

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Speaker 1: has played all season long for the most part, and

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Speaker 1: then they're playing at home. I know you could look

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Speaker 1: at the Broncos and say they have a chance to

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Speaker 1: win this game, and I think they do. But I

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Speaker 1: think in the end it's Drake May who proves himself

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Speaker 1: to be the MVP, and.

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Speaker 6: Under Mike Vrabel this year, the Patriots are undefeated on

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Speaker 6: the road this season. So think about that. Think about

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Speaker 6: how effective theyve been a away from Foxborough. Now here's

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Speaker 6: my question that New England defense. Well, I mean, are

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Speaker 6: they underrated because look at them. They're number three in

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Speaker 6: scoring d under nineteen points per game. Is that a

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Speaker 6: byproduct of their schedules we mentioned the you know, or

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Speaker 6: is this New England defense a little underrated and they're

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Speaker 6: showing themselves in the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? No, for me, probably Once again, you know, at

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Speaker 1: this point of the season, are they underrated? I really

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Speaker 1: don't think so. I think this New England Patriots defense

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Speaker 1: is really really good. I think Mike Vrabel is heavily

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Speaker 1: involved in it. They've had some health issues with Terrell Williams,

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Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator as well. They've had a guy fill

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Speaker 1: in form Zach Curral season. So you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: situation where I think Mike Mike Vrabel is going to

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Speaker 1: be heavily involved on the defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 1: for the New England Patriots. But you know what, you

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Speaker 1: undervalue them at your own peril.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, here's the other thing. Your Buffalo Bills, I mean,

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen had some uncharacteristic turnovers. They had a lot

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Speaker 6: of self inflicted the Bills in that loss against Denver.

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Speaker 6: If you look at some of the numbers. As good

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Speaker 6: as Denver's defense has been all season long, the Bills

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Speaker 6: had their way in a lot of categories in that game.

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Speaker 5: They moved the football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they did, Pully And you know, again, it's

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Speaker 1: a situation where you have to look at the macro,

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Speaker 1: you have to look at everything. And did they also

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Speaker 1: turn Josh Allen over? Yep, yeah they did. And that

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Speaker 1: to me is the hallmark. That's the calling card of

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Speaker 1: any defense. What is your ability to actually turn your

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Speaker 1: opponent over? We see how week after week after week,

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Speaker 1: how important that is The turnover column. Still, Paully is

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Speaker 1: the one stat for the most part, that you want

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Speaker 1: to look at. If you looked at that as one metric,

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Speaker 1: that would be the best metric you could look at

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Speaker 1: in terms of deciphering who was the winner or loser

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Speaker 1: of the game. It's the turnover margin for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, they are excellent at doing it, and

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Speaker 1: they turned Josh Allen over an awful lot, and I

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Speaker 1: give him credit for that.

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Speaker 6: So New England's last AFC Championship was the last of

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Speaker 6: eight in a row where they've played in the AFC

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Speaker 6: Championship game with Brady and Belichick. Twenty eighteen, the New

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Speaker 6: England Patriots are seeking their twelve Super Bowl and their

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Speaker 6: seventh Lombardi Trophy. Man, So there's a ton of history

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Speaker 6: on the line here. And speaking of history, well, if

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Speaker 6: here's a fun football factoid for you, in closing, every

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Speaker 6: playoff game this year is being played in an outdoor stadium.

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Speaker 6: That's the first time since two thousand and two of it.

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Speaker 6: And it's supposed to be Dan Cold in Denver on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So I know that's not going to make Kurt Warner happy,

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Speaker 1: but Kurt I love it. I love it, Kurt.

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Speaker 6: You know I'm kind of with Kurt though, I mean,

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