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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring.

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Speaker 2: To this show.

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Speaker 3: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It is Monday, October twelfth, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: and it is time, donks for Morning Combat. Hi everyone,

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Speaker 2: my name is Luke Thomas. I am one half of

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Speaker 2: your hosting duo. I am from CBS Sports, the gentleman

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Speaker 2: CBS Sports. He's an ape in the cage getting more

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Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ, more amazing with age. He is also

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Speaker 2: the conspiracy to my theory. It's the one and only

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Luke, I'm doing very well. Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. Thank you for calling out the name of

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Speaker 3: my savior to open the show there when you heard

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Speaker 3: Jay's voice, and also, Luke, look, Mondays are the best days.

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Speaker 3: This is the show that started this phenomenon. Right, that

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Speaker 3: is Morning Combat, right. I mean you can have all

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Speaker 3: the money and the power day after day, hour after hour,

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Speaker 3: but it still comes back to Monday morning. The first

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Speaker 3: voice you hear let MK be your water cooler brother, Okay,

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Speaker 3: because we're gonna mix it up. We're gonna brainwash you

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Speaker 3: the only way we know how, MK, ultra style. Luke,

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Speaker 3: So hope you had a nice weekend. People think you

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Speaker 3: and I hang out. We converse all the time. I

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Speaker 3: avoid all your text calls and emails until Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: That's not exactly true, but you're right. Mondays are the

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Speaker 2: best days. We drink champagne when we're Thursdays. I had

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Speaker 2: a great weekend, spend a lot of time with my kid,

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Speaker 2: of biking around the nation's capital. So it was fun.

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Speaker 2: Did you do anything of note good sir?

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Speaker 3: I chopped more wood. I'm building wood piles. It's very

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Speaker 3: manly of me. That's why I wear really really tight

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Speaker 3: shirts there that show off what I've been building here,

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Speaker 3: which are these these these absolute firearms. Yeah, it's been

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Speaker 3: chopping a lot of wood, Luke. Okay. It connects me

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Speaker 3: with my with my ancestors, my French can my Quebecians. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I bet you they chopped a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Wood Quebec Quah. All right, very good, Well we have

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Speaker 2: a lot to get to. There were some fights over

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Speaker 2: you know, the argument from promoters that all the cards

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Speaker 2: radar that just are excellent. That card UFC Fight Island five.

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Speaker 2: It was a banger from beginning to end. The decisions

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Speaker 2: So why don't before we start the show there first

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Speaker 3: Don't call that other guy Cody anymore. Okay, he's he's

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Speaker 3: past that after.

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Speaker 2: This performance, good, so the Sandman from now on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, please please mister Sandman.

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Speaker 3: See any correlation with our rising numbers and the fact

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Speaker 2: You know, I hadn't thought of it in that way,

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be the holiday season soon, all right, Jay.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in Jay real quick. Jay, Happy Rosha, Shona

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Speaker 2: Jays. Why do you bring Jay in? No one wants

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Speaker 3: No, because look, Jay's got a controversial history in this show,

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Speaker 3: The adult version follow the Yellow Dick road. Where are

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Speaker 2: bantamway clash between Cory Sanhagen and former champion of Marlon Moris.

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Speaker 3: We knew this was inside of him. But Luke, let's

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Speaker 3: be honest. When you have a deep division, any division

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two responses. I would have I totally agree absolute probleming.

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Speaker 2: And then by the second he's just lapping everybody. Provided

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Speaker 2: the fight goes that long. Marlon Morice looked to be

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Speaker 2: want to be clear, we should not write off Marlon

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Speaker 2: Morice here. I know he came out of the gate

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Speaker 2: basically storming UFC debut. Notwithstanding becoming the champion, He's had

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Speaker 2: a couple of, you know, a few I should say,

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Speaker 2: pretty tough fights, even with the Aldo win. But I

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Speaker 2: still think he's going to be around in this division

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Speaker 2: for a while. To come, so I want to make

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Speaker 2: sure we say that. But you're absolutely right, PC, Corey

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Speaker 2: sand Hagen is going to be a problem for anyone.

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Speaker 2: I think he has an adaptive style to really handle

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Speaker 2: any kind of fighter. I think if he fought Sterling

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Speaker 2: I definitely expect it to be very, very different. I

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Speaker 2: like the way he matches up with Peter Yahan, and

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Speaker 2: more to this point, BC, we should have this conversation

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Speaker 2: here right now, which division is better one fifty five

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Speaker 2: But the San Haagan fight against Marice reminded me of this.

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Speaker 2: Sterling reminded me of this. Peter Yhan reminded me of this.

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Speaker 2: I think the guys at one fifty five are a

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Speaker 2: little bit more established commodities. I like their power punching

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Speaker 2: and you can make a case that it is, it's

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Speaker 2: definitely the division of the future. All of these young

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just not ready to bury the guy yet.

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Speaker 3: Luke real quick on the way out here on saneg

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's title shot or bust as far

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Speaker 2: Like you just have to really think about. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: We loved that guy.

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, all right. We got to point number two.

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Speaker 3: those guys, but I understand the move right now, it's

429
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 3: a shorter path to the top at featherweight. I don't

430
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 3: think he's a killer in this division. I think he's

431
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,159
Speaker 3: a tough veteran out, and I think he dominated this

432
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 3: fight and showed you what he has along with Luke,

433
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 3: a reinvented facial hair. And in top salad game, you

434
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 3: down with that, You're down with this this almost villainous

435
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 3: turn right here.

436
00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 2: The hair I could, I could leave or take. It

437
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 2: doesn't matter one way or the other. The beard I like.

438
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: It's grizzly. It screams veteran, it screams battle tested. You know,

439
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,920
Speaker 2: I actually dig that that part. I thought was a

440
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,920
Speaker 2: nice addition. The mop, you know, it's whatever. I'll say

441
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 2: what I.

442
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,520
Speaker 3: Do on UFC three, Luke. Anytime I suffer two losses

443
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 3: in a row, I go back to the creative fighter

444
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 3: and I add extra facial hair, like a giant beard

445
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 3: or some crazy looking uh, who's that guy? That favored

446
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,560
Speaker 3: be Ricky Simone. One of those type of haircuts going

447
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 3: as like a reinvention of the soul, like you're getting

448
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,880
Speaker 3: down to the roots of who you are. And in

449
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: some ways I think Barbosa has done that.

450
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:37,639
Speaker 1: Uh.

451
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 2: I've never played the video game. I don't intend to,

452
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 2: so I will take your word for it. Kimbo Slice

453
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: used to say, I take care of my beard because

454
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 2: my beard takes care of me. I also thought that

455
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: was one of the cooler things he ever said. In

456
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,120
Speaker 2: terms of Edson Barbosa, I'll say, this isn't it funny?

457
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: You look at his record, the guy. I mean, you

458
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: think about how terrifying he is as a striker. He's

459
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,360
Speaker 2: got TKO's in the UFC and wins, you know via

460
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 2: leg kicks. He's got maybe he will talk about this

461
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: just a second, but he's got, if not the best

462
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: knockout ever in UFC history. Boy, he's on the short list, right,

463
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,199
Speaker 2: and yet he's got nearly double digit losses. Now that

464
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,479
Speaker 2: speaks to a couple of things. One some of his

465
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: own limits, right. I mean, he's not a perfect fighter.

466
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: He's an amazing striker, he's super athletic, but he is

467
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: not as well rounded as he maybe could be. The

468
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: second part is it just speaks to who he's fought

469
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,439
Speaker 2: and what emma is like. He has fought Kebebe, and

470
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 2: he has fought Tony, and he's fought you know, Paul

471
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 2: Felder twice and blah blah blah. I mean you can

472
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 2: go down to Dan Hooker and some of those he

473
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: won and some of those he lost, but you can

474
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: sort of just look at those and say, my god,

475
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: this guy has fought everybody his generation you know, could

476
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 2: have put in front of him. And so as a consequence,

477
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,000
Speaker 2: his numbers in terms of his losses are kind of high,

478
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 2: but his you know, his record of willingness to take

479
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 2: on the very best cannot be doubted. Excuse me ever,

480
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 2: but then it leads me to wonder something, Right, Okay,

481
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: if Kobeebe is taking you down and Tony Ferguson, is

482
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 2: you know able to snap you down? It's one thing

483
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: because Tony can fight as high as one seventy, could

484
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 2: be super strong on one fifty five. I was gonna

485
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 2: be I was really curious to see what Amir Khanie

486
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: could do. Now, to be clear, i'mer Kannie is actually

487
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 2: a pretty good wrestler, especially for a fighter coming out

488
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: of Europe. He can handle his own there, but he

489
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 2: is a natural one to forty fiver and so I thought, okay,

490
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: let's see how he can handle Barbosa's physicality. In terms

491
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 2: of that, he could handle it pretty well. I did

492
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: not see a meaningful change in terms of the ability

493
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: to defend the takedown, which is still pretty good, but

494
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't like there was an upgrade. He wasn't really

495
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 2: able to use any kind of additional physicality by being

496
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 2: more of a natural one to fifty fiver in getting

497
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: that done. So it just leads me to wonder, like,

498
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: we know, if you back up and make him move,

499
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: he's not as much of a threat. Still very difficult

500
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: to beat, but not as much of a threat. His

501
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 2: takedown defense looked to be about the same as it

502
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 2: was at a one to fifty five, and so for

503
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: those reasons, BC, I think I agree tough out, top

504
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: top guys are gonna have a hard time with him,

505
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: but he is he a different fighter at one forty five.

506
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: I don't know that I saw that, did you?

507
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 3: You know? When I say different, I almost there's there's

508
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: potential negatives like he's not gonna take the same you know,

509
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 3: sustained beatings he could take against those killers at one

510
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: fifty five. He has a size advantage at forty five

511
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 3: he can land big shots, But I don't see him better.

512
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm saying, I recognize the commitment to

513
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: reinventing himself here as maybe his best possible chance at

514
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: still living out his dreams. But no, I don't think

515
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: he's a better fighter at one forty five. I just

516
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 3: think he'll have a better chance at an out punch

517
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: or some type of strike. I mean, look, you know

518
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: he dropped Egay, that was a fun fight there. He's

519
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 3: gonna be able to finish guys with some of these shots.

520
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 3: But no, Luke, look, I don't have any confidence he

521
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 3: can do that in five rounds against the true altho.

522
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's asking a lot in your body.

523
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: It really is. When you have this mean, when you

524
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: have this much tape on you and your style has

525
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: gotten better over the years, but hasn't really changed. Like

526
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: he's not exactly different from the Mike Lulo fight. I mean,

527
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: he's just kind of a better version of that which

528
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: is still formidable. I mean, that's gonna be No one's

529
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 2: gonna walk through him. That's not the way that it goes.

530
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like, is that the

531
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: guy you think is gonna get a title shot? You know,

532
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: maybe he could put together enough wins, but can he

533
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: beat a guy like Volkanovsky? I doubt it, Korean Zombie.

534
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that here in just a minute. But

535
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't. I just don't.

536
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see it, even if I recognize. I

537
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: think what we all love about him is how terrifying

538
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: he can be. And the thing that makes fighters hold

539
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: on sometimes and be delusional about themselves in various stages

540
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: of their career is the same thing that propels them

541
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: to greatness. This unwillingness to bend and accommodate difficulty, and

542
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: that is really you can see coursing through the mind

543
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: and the veins of someone that gets in Barboza, And

544
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: for that reason you have to respect him. But at

545
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: the same time, I'll just say, in honor of what

546
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 2: he's been able to achieve, I'll take a wait and

547
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: see approach. But just speaking candidly, I'm a little bit

548
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: skeptical of the upside possibility.

549
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 3: That's all we do on this show. Lucas speak candidly.

550
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: We don't care. I protected nothing, all right. Some people

551
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: think you always got to worry about the you know,

552
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: the payback some punk that you talked about about way back,

553
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 3: coming back after all these years. Jay, I ain't going nowhere.

554
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm staying right here in this rap verse, in this lyric.

555
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: Remember you used to drop that little thing at the bottom.

556
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 3: Thank you. All right, let's move on.

557
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: He's gotten late. Look at him just sitting there with

558
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: his hands in his pockets being laziest shit.

559
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 3: Oh kay, okay, that's a little that's a little bit

560
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: too far. Don't make me bring Jay back in to

561
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 3: troll the audience here and let him defend himself.

562
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: All right. Point number three, Let's talk about what really

563
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 2: made the headlines. The win by Sanjagen certainly deserves that

564
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 2: we talked about first, But in terms of just memorable moments,

565
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, I'm leaning to the wrong side here. Sorry, Wow,

566
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: I gotta say Joaquin Buckley getting a win over Impa

567
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: Hasang and I. There is so much to say about this,

568
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: so BC, let's start with you. Is that the greatest

569
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: knockout in UFC or maybe even MMA history.

570
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: Uh No, But is it in the discussion, yes, Luke,

571
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 3: when you're debating and comparing, and I kind of want

572
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 3: to do that in a second, with the short list

573
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: of what we consider to be the greatest of all

574
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: time knockouts, the iconic moments, the ones that hit that

575
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: sizzle reel, when when the when the who sings Bob

576
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: O'Reilly before the you know, the start of the pay

577
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: per view main card. This is gonna be in that discussion.

578
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: This is gonna fit in there nicely, But there weren't

579
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 3: enough stakes to separate it, in my belief, from some

580
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: of those other ones. Now, what it was was just

581
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 3: mind blowing lee, athletic and creative, and that's what made

582
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: it just jump out. And I think, what's gonna be lost,

583
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 3: Luke when we talk about this over history, is how

584
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,479
Speaker 3: wild of a fight this was leading up to it.

585
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: You go back and watch the what round and a

586
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: half that built up to this. They're landing bombs on

587
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: each other. These are two guys going for it, trying

588
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: to make a name for themselves, and then this happens

589
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. I mean, it was a special moment

590
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: I love, I love for Buckley Luke that Dana got

591
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: involved and basically, you know, I mean like this is

592
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: the pathway to Dana's heart, right is to do stuff

593
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: like this. Dana's ready to give them the whole two

594
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: hundred grand, all the bonuses. What a just out of

595
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 3: freaking no way type of striking kick that I think

596
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: elevates the art form in the same way of the

597
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: Showtime the Showtime kick from Anthony Pettis against Henderson that

598
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 3: you know that wasn't a knockout from that kick, which

599
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: maybe is why we don't always put it at the

600
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: very top of this list, but just something so creative

601
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: that you're like, wow, you know, I necessarily haven't seen

602
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: that before at this level and didn't think that could

603
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: happen right there. And I think you just look at

604
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 3: how do you pronounce the guy's name with the K

605
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 3: there before I am Songaba? If you look at Kasangani's reaction,

606
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: which has now become a meme, good god, it's like,

607
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 3: you know, it's the it's the oh I f'ed up

608
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: moment because I never thought a third leg could come

609
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: out of this guy's crotch and just take me out

610
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 3: and he'll kick me down to the basement floor of hell, Luke,

611
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 3: because that's where he is right now, and that's where

612
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: he belongs. Because this is one of the greatest knockouts

613
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: in the history of combat sports. But no, it's not

614
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: the best.

615
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say this, I don't know if it's

616
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 2: the best for the one there's one real knock on it,

617
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: which is as you mentioned, the stakes Inputkasang and I

618
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: is coming off the Contender Series. He had one fight

619
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: before this against Machi Paztolo, who also came off the

620
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: Contender Series, and I think has been one in three

621
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: in the UFC since then, So he's not exactly fighting

622
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: for This was not in a title fight. It's not

623
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: a number one contender fight, and that's you'd be like, oh, well,

624
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: that's that's not fair to him. But okay. But like,

625
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: if you're Dan Henderson and you knock out Michael Bisping,

626
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: the way you did that is different. If you're Rashad

627
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: Evans and you knock out Chuck Liddell, the way you

628
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: did that is different. Or pick something where it was

629
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: a really impactful, huge major event and somebody got a

630
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: win like that. It does count more. It's harder to

631
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: do those kinds of things against better opposition. Okay, that

632
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: one critique aside. It's probably the most amazing ko I've

633
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: ever seen. It is just spectacular. It is magical, and

634
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: how do you know several reasons. One, you can just

635
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: watch it on loop. There's never enough angles to it.

636
00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 2: Number one. Number two, the absolute acrobatic athletic genius of

637
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: Joaquin Buckley. That perry that Kasang and I was using,

638
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: it's a perry that's designed when you catch it and

639
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: scoop it out to turn your opponent past you, just

640
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: to give you enough of an angle where they're not

641
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: facing you anymore and you can attack them, take down

642
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: if you want, or you know, just a punch or

643
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: a kick from an angle that they can't see coming.

644
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 2: He used that momentum from Kassan and I to then

645
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: whip around for that jumping back kick. That is just spectacular.

646
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: Number three. It reminds me of a couple of other

647
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: times in Mma where guys have held onto a leg

648
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: or a knee too long and then suffered the consequences

649
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: for it, or nearly did right. So it was this

650
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: presence of mind that he had to do this. I'm

651
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: sure he has drilled it on some level, but nevertheless,

652
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: just incredible presence of mind and acrobatics and more to

653
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: the point, we'll discuss this in a second. It's not

654
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: that we take pleasure in the suffering of Kasanganay. But

655
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: part of what makes a great knockout is what it

656
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: does to the other person and the face that song,

657
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: and I makes the biological response when he gets hit

658
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: with that heel and the way his body falls back

659
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: and his head hits the canvas. Again, we do not

660
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: celebrate the trauma per se, but that is part of

661
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: the show. That is part of what makes it memorable.

662
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: That is part of what is telling you how destructive

663
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: that it was. It wasn't just that he's spun in

664
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: the air. That's part of it. The other part is

665
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: what it actually did, and so I can't forget that again.

666
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: I I sort of admire the violence of it all,

667
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: if I can be candid with you. And then the

668
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: other part is lastly, a good, really important knockout like this,

669
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: it tells you a story about the person who did it,

670
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: and it binds the two fighters together forever. But it

671
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: really tells a story about the person who was able

672
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: to exact it. Whether it's a super quick ko like

673
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: it's six seconds, whether it's you know, acrobatic or whatever.

674
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: This is a moment where everyone is gonna remin like

675
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: you didn't like. Who can name three other Joaquin Buckley fights.

676
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: You can't. Forever. You will be able to remember the

677
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: Joaquin Buckley Impa Kasanganai fight forever. If you are any

678
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: kind of real fight fan, it will be forever burned

679
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: in your memory, and you will know Joaquin Buckley better

680
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: by virtue of this performance. And so it has literally

681
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: bc everything you could want from a KO. The only

682
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 2: thing is it lacks those stakes. Now. I mentioned something

683
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: at the end here about what it did to kasang

684
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 2: and I. Scott Van pelt A, perhaps the most famous

685
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: of all ESPN anchors, was anchoring Sports Center, his branded

686
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: version of it on Saturday night and said that the

687
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: ko bothered him. He didn't like it. Now he clarified

688
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: his comments on Twitter. In fact, he and I were

689
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: tweeting back and forth for a very little bit on Sunday,

690
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: saying he admires the sport, he just can't take pleasure

691
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: in what was happening to kasang Andai. There it pissed

692
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: off a lot of MMA fans. Should we be pissed now?

693
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 3: Like I under Stan SVP's reaction. I almost give him

694
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: some respect for having the guts to say it, because look,

695
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: that is a that's mainstream media's reaction. There are even some,

696
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: you know, not some, so many hardcore boxing fans who

697
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: who love boxing, love the violence of it, and will

698
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: never be okay with one guy going full mouth on

699
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: somebody else and sitting on his chest and parading down

700
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: strikes as blood and guts, you know, jump out. I

701
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: get it. It's not forever. Look, this is a nich sport.

702
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: It's a nich sport that got really damn far because

703
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: of Dana and the Fertidas. It's still a freaking niche

704
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: sport for a reason. So that's fine, SVP. But you

705
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: know what, like you said, Luke, celebrating the violence of it,

706
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: it's part of of the what gets us here. It's

707
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: part of the admission that's what we're after. In a

708
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: lot of ways, I think it's an extension, Luke, of

709
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: being on the schoolyard as a kid and seeing a

710
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: fight developing from a distance. And I mean I used

711
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: to be like front row at everyone and debating was

712
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: that fight better than the one and third right over

713
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: by the corner where our hornby kicked that dude in

714
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: the head. Shout out to our hornby by the way, Yeah,

715
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: it's sort of for me. It's still an extension of that.

716
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 3: I respect the art form, I respect the warriors that

717
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: get in there. But there's a reason that scene in

718
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: the movie Friday happened. You got knocked the f out.

719
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: There's a reason k TFO becomes a thing. There's a

720
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 3: reason every time you see a violent knockout, whether it's

721
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: a street fight or UFC fight, it becomes a viral

722
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 3: meme because you know, like home runs or touchdowns or

723
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: slam dunks. It's the exclamation point of this sport. These

724
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: guys sign up for it, they know what they're in for.

725
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: There's not only the threat of violence, but really embarrassment,

726
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: and that's what comes with it. Thank you to these

727
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: guys for being willing warriors. And I'm not gonna apologize

728
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 3: for the sport. I respect Scott Van Pelt's opinion, but

729
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: you know it's not mine, and I don't think it's

730
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: really of any of us. Does combat sports go too far? Yes,

731
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: there's boxing deaths from this. There's a I don't even

732
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: love in us, you know, an MMA, to be honest

733
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: with you, the breaking of bones and that kind of stuff.

734
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: There are certainly things that go too far where I'm like, oh,

735
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to see that guy's you know, skull

736
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: bone coming through from that cut. But the knockouts, Luke,

737
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: that's that's that's the remember the stag remember the nineties,

738
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: Luke bag o porn, that's what it is. Okay, that's

739
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: what the knockout is. Okay.

740
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: I would have a couple of response responses to them,

741
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: and the first one I would say is, if you're

742
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: an MMA fan, will you just let off Scot van

743
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: Pel just leave him alone? Like he doesn't he doesn't

744
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: like knockouts in the way that we like knockouts. So

745
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: what like the UFC is airing on ESPN, Bellator is

746
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: on CBS Sports Net. There's never been a better time

747
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: to be a sports fan. You can get Dezonne and

748
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: fight pass. This is the golden age of being a

749
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: fight fan. There are fights every weekend all over the globe,

750
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: and more or less, if you want to, you could

751
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: watch every single one. The argument about whether fight sports

752
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: should continue and should be a thing that society is

753
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: over and fight fans won it, so you don't have

754
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 2: to re litigate it if someone doesn't like it, especially

755
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: someone prominent. Now I understand you don't want to see

756
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: get bashed on TV. Whatever, who cares. Whatever Scott Van

757
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: Pelt says is not going to change ESPN or anybody

758
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: else's commitment to it. He's just dating his personal opinions.

759
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: Can we stop policing people's preferences when they don't like it?

760
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: If you don't like fight sports, okay, I will. I'm

761
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 2: gonna sleep fine tonight with knowing that it doesn't affect

762
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: my day.

763
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Luke, it's got policing COVID truthers. Okay, it's their opinion,

764
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: Get off their back.

765
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that has dangerous consequences for everybody that's different.

766
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: But I wanted to shout out SVP's guy, you know,

767
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 3: Stanford Steve, his trustee producer in Sidekick, Huge MMA fan, Luke,

768
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: And I don't think everyone knows this. He was the

769
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: boogeyman of my town, my high school, Naugata, Connecticut. He

770
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: went to Antonia, down the street, that dirt hole of

771
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: a town and he was the guy Luke All state

772
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: in football, baseball, basketball, state titles always destroyed us, got

773
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: a scholarship to play tight end at Stanford, was the

774
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: number one recruit in a nation according to one magazine

775
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: my senior year. But will never get Thanksgiving ninety three,

776
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: twenty two to nothing. Steve, deal with it. Okay, it happened.

777
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: There were grown men crying in the crowd. It happened.

778
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 3: Shout out to Stanford, Steve. All right, look, let's complete hold.

779
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: On, hold on, hold on, I haven't even I got

780
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: to make my point here very quickly. If I can,

781
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: please for just a moment.

782
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: We don't have time.

783
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: Sorry, we have time. Hold on. Let me just make

784
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: this because I think it's really important that we say

785
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: this out loud. I have worked at various media companies

786
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: for the last fourteen or fifteen years. It's some pretty

787
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: big ones, right, billion dollar companies. All the way through.

788
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: I've been very lucky. And what I have noticed all

789
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: the way through is I've got news for everybody out

790
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: there as a fight fan. Stop expecting broadcasters or producers

791
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: or whoever to love MMA. They are not broadcasting MMA

792
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: because they love it. Various outlets, big ones, don't cover

793
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: MMA because they love it. It is a transactional relationship.

794
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: They see a lot of traffic and they want some.

795
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: Their competitors are covering it, so now they feel like

796
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: they have to as a way to compete. Everything I've

797
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: seen in meetings and deal signed, these executives don't love MMA.

798
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: What they love is that the audience will pay enough

799
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: attention to it that they can sell ad dollars or

800
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: they can sell ads and make money against it. And

801
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: that's okay, that's enough for us to enjoy it. But

802
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: this idea that fight fans or everyone has to love

803
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: it the same way we do, they're never going to

804
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: And last but not least, there is one way I

805
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: would challenge Scott Van Pelt and anyone else who makes

806
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: these arguments about football and other dangerous sports being different.

807
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 2: It is true. There is something to be said that

808
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: you know, there's no knockout of the night bonus on

809
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: some kind of NFL broadcast. In fact, when there was

810
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: that Saints bounty scandal, it was in fact a bit

811
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: of a scandal. I tend to think a media manufactured

812
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: one to a degree. But okay, there is a difference, however,

813
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 2: and this is a point I make constantly when we

814
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: talk about pedes. In the end, what matters most is

815
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 2: the health outcomes, and the health outcomes of American football

816
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: are in every way far worse than MMA. You have

817
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: routine years where multiple high schoolers die. You have routine

818
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: years where Division one players get paralysis, routine years where

819
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: some kind of tragic deeply I mean, we had Alex

820
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: Smith come back. That was shocking, but we thought he

821
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: was a goner seventeen surgeries later. I wasn't sure he

822
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: was going to walk again. In the end, what actually

823
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: matters is the health outcomes, And if we want to

824
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: have that debate, MMA comes off looking pretty good. I

825
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: think there should be some consistency across the board there.

826
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shout out to Ray Caruth there. Let's keep

827
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: him behind bars, all right, Luke, thank you, Jay? Can

828
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: you dust off his soapbox now that he's been all

829
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 3: over it? Can we show it? Luke, Jay, you got

830
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 3: any more highlights of greatest KOs I wanted to compare

831
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: in contrast real quick on the way out here, see

832
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: because I think Jay hit me, hit me with the horns. Money,

833
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: come on, you got it? There it is? Oh, we

834
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: got pictures all right, Luke, I was gonna say it

835
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: has the it had the shocking violence of Barbosa Dam

836
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: but I think at the end of the day, it

837
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: still falls behind this look. Nobody gives this credit as

838
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: the how Rowsey Holme as one of the top three

839
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 3: greatest knockouts of all time. Barbosa Adam may have been

840
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: the most violent and perfect one we've ever seen. I

841
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 3: think it's you know, this one with Buckley's in that discussion.

842
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: But for me, Luke, the greatest knockout in UFC history

843
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 3: is still anganu overem number one contender. Fight violent as

844
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: all hell. That is the most vicious knockout I've ever seen.

845
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: That is pretty vicious. I agree, just raw punching power.

846
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: You're right about Rawsei and Holme. Dude, people sleep on that.

847
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: It's like what the knockout wasn't spectacular. The headkick literally

848
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: Holly Holm had Ralsey turned around, she shoved her only

849
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: to push her into range for her kick. Head kicks

850
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 2: her and if you watch closely, BC literally lifts her

851
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: off of her feet and then it goes on and

852
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: pounds her out, which was one of the biggest upsets

853
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: by the way in sports and certainly fight sports history.

854
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: I agree with you that ko is criminally underrated and.

855
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: It's it's probably the most important knockout of any of

856
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: these that we're talking about. So the fact that it's

857
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 3: that underrated and people hate Rowsy, So how could that

858
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: knockout be this underrated? I don't know, Luke, But Jay.

859
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 4: What if I may If you remember, Luke, you made

860
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 4: the point earlier about the moment. The casual non MMA

861
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 4: fan was so invested in this fight because because Rowsey

862
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 4: was on the run of a lifetime heading into this fight,

863
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 4: so people who just knew nothing about MMA were watching

864
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: this fight. And the fact that she got knocked out.

865
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it's almost irrelevant what the knockout was. The

866
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: moment was just tremendous. She was this unbeatable godlike whatever when.

867
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: She gets Look, I'm here for Jay teaching you about

868
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: MMA history, Luke, I'm here for this.

869
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: Also a little known fact, I sat next to Ronda

870
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 4: Rowsey on a flight from JFK to LAX and it

871
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 4: was after one of her WWE matches and she was

872
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 4: not sober. Not sober.

873
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, hey, look this may be the time. Have

874
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: you seen to Rowsey's episode of Hot Ones that just

875
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 3: came out. No, if you want to reinforce the stereotypes

876
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 3: of what you may not like about Ronda Rousey, then

877
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: please watch that because there's some gross moments. There's st

878
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: a lot of gross moments. Okay, I take it.

879
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: She doesn't come off great her, And.

880
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: First of all, let's let's put it out there, okay,

881
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: people that I I dabble on the chicken wing, right,

882
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: I eat as much of the crap off of it

883
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: as I can, but when it's like the cartilage and

884
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: the blood and the like, I leave that. She's one

885
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: who dips the whole wing in the ranch sauce and

886
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: then puts the whole wing in her mouth and pulls

887
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 3: off every possible ending of it. Are you down with that?

888
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: No? I don't pull off Yeah no, I mean I've

889
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: seen that where they take it. They just you know,

890
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: it's like a like ice cream off of straw.

891
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't do that. And then number two,

892
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: she closes by talking about how bad her her gas

893
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 3: is going to be for trav that night, and ends

894
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: it by saying essentially that he won't be able to

895
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: toss salad for a week. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not.

896
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm not here for this. I'm not here. I'm not

897
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 3: I'm not here at all for this. Okay, in fact,

898
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 3: I'll leave.

899
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: It's it that okay, that is that is awful. That

900
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: is truly don't want to be charged for crimes for

901
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: a comment like that. All right, With that in mind,

902
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: we go to belator here for just a moment, if

903
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: we can. BC. M VP gets a win, sorry, leans

904
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: to the wrong side here again. M VP gets a

905
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: win over Ross Houston. But did he because the whole

906
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: point about the win BC was that he was going

907
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: to find a way back to a road with Douglas

908
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: Lima at the end of it. Did you see anything

909
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: in there that would lead you to believe he could

910
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: do better against Lima a second time?

911
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: I did, and I think I'm alone really based on

912
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: social media reaction to this, Cray, Look, here's the deal

913
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: on m VP against B minus C plus competition. That

914
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: circus act is incre He will send Caveman Rickles you know,

915
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 3: every other week to the deep dark depths, but against

916
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: the elite Luke And oh, by the way, your characterization

917
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 3: that it was a completely one sided performance against Lima

918
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: is a little bit wrong. MVP had a little bit

919
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: of moments he did catch him with something, but my

920
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: overall point is this, MVP cannot do that against the

921
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: very elite. Really, nobody can. Okay, how many of our

922
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 3: great UFC heroes from John Jones to Conor McGregor did

923
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 3: wild shit early on, but as you climb up the levels,

924
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: you can't do that. Do you know what I need

925
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: out of MVP a well rounded, solid performance, which is

926
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 3: what he gave here against a guy in Ross Houston

927
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: who was good enough, Luke, and established that early that

928
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 3: he wasn't going to be a highlight reel victim. He

929
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 3: was unbeating coming in Cage Warriors champion whatever, wasn't good

930
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: enough to win the fight, but was a solid enough opponent.

931
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: Do you know what MVP did? He dominated them in

932
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: every aspect, Luke. He landed big punches in the second

933
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: round to completely cause Houston to go behind his guard

934
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: and not fire back, and his takedown defense over the

935
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: second half of that fight was dominant, Luke. I don't

936
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: know what else you need to see. Was it exciting no?

937
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: Was it entertaining no? But MVP has entertainment leaking out

938
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 3: of his a hole, Luke, This was like a solid

939
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: performance that shows you he's taking his career more serious

940
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 3: and going in there against an elite. If he gets

941
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: a rematch with Lima, I kind of like the idea

942
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: that he can explode at any time, but he's going

943
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: to have to learn how to score points and control

944
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: the fight above and beyond that. I think this was

945
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: a next step forward in that regard. Whether you were

946
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: entertained or not, yeah, I don't agree.

947
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: Ross Houston is a capable fighter and deserved to be

948
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: taken seriously as a a credible threat. So what I

949
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: take from it is that MVP certainly is more than

950
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: just a can crusher. Right. It's one thing to beat

951
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: on totally overmatched opposition and you're break dancing in the

952
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: middle of the cage. It's fun for virality, but you know,

953
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: what can you really say about someone's upside? Then he

954
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: fights Douglas Liem and he gets knocked out. He did

955
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: rock him for a second, but he couldn't really do

956
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 2: anything else with it, which is why I say it's

957
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: basically one side it and he got taken down and

958
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: all readly havel him. Underneath was risk control.

959
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: So you go into this line, why are we not

960
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: showing highlights of this fight that we're talking about. Doesn't

961
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: CBS own the rights to this?

962
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: I could to.

963
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: It was a CBS Sports Network play the whole damn

964
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: fight from start to finish for all I can we see.

965
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: Would it be all right with you if I contributed

966
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: to this portion of the conversation in any case? Yes,

967
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: In any case, here's what I'll say. I'm not gonna

968
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: sit here and say that he's some bad fighter, that

969
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: he's some totally overrated phenomenon, that he can't do well

970
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: against credible threats. It's not what I'm saying. But beating

971
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: Ross Houston kind of I won't say barely but steadily

972
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: tells you absolutely nothing about how he's going to do

973
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: against Dougla's leem with the difference between Houston and Lima

974
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: is worlds apart, and so I respect that m VP

975
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: is it does appear to have a commitment to his craft,

976
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: and like when it comes to getting his hand raised,

977
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: he can do it. But there was nothing in this

978
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: performance that told me we have to re imagine his upside.

979
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: In fact, it just told us maybe his defense is

980
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 2: a little bit sturdier and he can manage a fight

981
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: if he has to. Those are not the ingredients BC

982
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: to beat Douglas Lima, not even close.

983
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: Well, Luke, what ingredients do you want? You want him

984
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 3: to finish Houston with a highlight reel knockout, knowing that

985
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: it's not as likely he can do that against a

986
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: sort of perfectly well rounded and tough Douglas Lima. Wouldn't

987
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 3: you want him to come in there with better takedown defense,

988
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 3: stay in his guard more.

989
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: You should be able to You should be able to

990
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: dominate a guy like Ross Houston if you have it,

991
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: if you want to have a shit.

992
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 3: You can't dominate him though, Like I mean, it wasn't emphatic,

993
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: over the top, but he dominated this.

994
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: Did he even win the first round is very debatable,

995
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: very debatable. Here's my point. The whole thing is it's

996
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: not fair to compare him to Anderson Silva, who's the

997
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 2: greatest middleweight of all time. But I'm just pointing out,

998
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: if you want to be one of the guys who

999
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: can do incredible things, you got to front kick Vitor belfour.

1000
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: Now that's that's a high standard, and I'm not saying

1001
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: he has to do an equivalent thing, but you should

1002
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 2: be able to stop a guy like Ross Houston. If

1003
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 2: you want to have a hope of beating Douglas Leema,

1004
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: you don't have to stop him to be considered good.

1005
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: He is good. He's a good fighter. You don't have

1006
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: to stop him to be able to do viral things

1007
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: against lesser opposition. And there's nothing to do with it.

1008
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 2: You're talking about beating maybe the best welterweight on Earth.

1009
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: That performance tells you he could beat the best walter

1010
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: weight on Earth. No, it tells you that he's probably

1011
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: more than his critics say he is. But he is

1012
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: not up to the standard of what a lima poses

1013
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: as a threat.

1014
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: Luke, I'm sensing a you know, some raw energy coming

1015
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: out of you that you're very Anakin. In the midst

1016
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 3: of episode three right.

1017
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: Now, I didn't sleep really well last night. My daughter

1018
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: kicked me in.

1019
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: I will meet you at the Mustafar system if it

1020
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: has to go there, Luke. But uh, wow, here, wow.

1021
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: No, it's not animus. It's like, it's like the only

1022
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: thing I don't It's not about disrespecting the fighters. It's

1023
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: about do we take the narratives around them seriously? That

1024
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: is totally different. I don't mind MVP's ambition. I don't mind.

1025
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't mind at all that Belatore realizes if we

1026
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: give this guy something a little bit less, he's gonna

1027
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: turn in viral performances. It's a business in the end,

1028
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: and beating Ross Houston, to me, is a credible win.

1029
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: It's fine. It's just not evidence you're gonna beat Douglas Lima.

1030
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: That's what it's not.

1031
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: Hey, how about that close up for the Warlock there,

1032
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: Gareth A. Davis getting getting some big time airtime there?

1033
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: Why was he wearing dark shades in a dark ass arena?

1034
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 3: Because he is the the splendid king of sartorial awesomeness

1035
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 3: that only a you know, flamboyant britt like himself could

1036
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 3: put out there. So shout out to the Warlock, big

1037
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 3: time fan thing.

1038
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 2: Lasting on this. Any thoughts on Congo versus Johnson. Congo

1039
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: losing a split decision in his hometown.

1040
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 3: You know, he kind of deserved to lose that fight.

1041
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 3: Johnson's better than we thought, Luke, And he's not great,

1042
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: he's better than we thought. I'll give him that credit.

1043
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 3: He's you know, evolved out of sort of UFC Belatoor

1044
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: journeyman status. He might be next for a title shot.

1045
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, is that crazy? He did knock

1046
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: out Matt Mitrione, He did knockout who is the other fella?

1047
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: You remember who's a Javia y'all? I have to look

1048
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: it up.

1049
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: No, it was it was somebody of sir. Oh it

1050
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 3: was Tyrol Fortune. So like, you know, he's he's done

1051
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: the right things. He came out there in a rematch

1052
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: of a fight in which he got knocked out and

1053
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 3: really shut down check Kngo across the board. So you

1054
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: know Congo hadn't lost in Bellator in like five years.

1055
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 3: So go for it. Give him a title shot, all right, Bater, Look,

1056
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: Bater kind of needs a I don't want to say

1057
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: a soft landing because because Johnson's not soft. But I'm

1058
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: interested to see what Bater looks like coming off of

1059
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: this nemcov loss, maybe focusing his attention on heavyweight only

1060
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: moving forward. And I think Johnson's an interesting out because

1061
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 3: he's got that power. You're not gonna be able to

1062
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: man handle him on the ground. He's not sexy, Luke,

1063
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 3: not sexy at all. But there's a good win for him.

1064
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: Good win he can wrestle he has a wrestling background,

1065
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 2: natural heavyweight, totally rebounded from a bad start in Belator

1066
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: to get one win back that he had initially had

1067
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: obviously lost and a three fight winning streak. He's your

1068
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: title contender, I think pretty obviously. How he does against Bader,

1069
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: who to me is much more athletic, you know, probably

1070
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: I would favor Beader, but I think it's a you know, listen,

1071
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: if you're a champion, you gotta defend a title. This

1072
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: guy's put together the best win streak at heavyweight that

1073
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: I can think of right now, So let's see him

1074
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: do it, all right, BC. Our last and final topic

1075
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: here for our Top five today goes to what is

1076
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: coming up this weekend. It doesn't matter whether you like

1077
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: MMA or whether you like boxing. There are two main

1078
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: events headed our way, one in each sport that are

1079
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: just magical. At one hundred and forty five pounds in

1080
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: the UFC, the Korean Zombie is going to face off

1081
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: against a returning Brian Ortega. And over unboxing and let's

1082
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: start there. Wow. At one hundred and thirty five pounds,

1083
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: Vasilia Lomachenko is going to take on rising sensation Tao

1084
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: Femo Lopez which could easily be seeing you know this

1085
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: better than I do, be a pay per view fight.

1086
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: They're putting this thing for free on ESPN. All you

1087
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: have to have is a cable subscription. That's it. Okay,

1088
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 2: what is the most important storyline heading into this big

1089
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: boxing fight? And then we'll do the one for the

1090
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: MMA side of.

1091
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 3: Things, without question, it's the fact that is the question.

1092
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 3: Is this is Tayo Fema Lopez Junior, twenty three years old, unbeaten,

1093
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: brash Roy Jones like explosion. Is he biting off more

1094
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: than he can chew going in there against you know,

1095
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: arguably the best fighter pound for pound in the world

1096
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: and Lomachenko. Is this too much, too soon? Too early?

1097
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: Moving up to this level, challenging for all four belts

1098
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 3: at lightweight? Or is this a breakout party waiting to happen?

1099
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 3: I cannot figure it out. We talk about loving fifty

1100
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: to fifty fights, Luke, to me, this is this is

1101
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 3: really fifty to fifty at the most elite level. It's

1102
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: a beautiful fight on paper. I think it might be

1103
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 3: the best fight in boxing on paper for this whole year.

1104
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 3: You don't get matchups like this. Somebody with big balls

1105
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: like that, willing to risk it all. Let's just think

1106
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: of about this. Lomachenko is everything, He's amazing, but he's

1107
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: fighting over his head at one hundred and thirty five

1108
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: pounds because that's where the competition is right now, and

1109
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 3: he's facing the toughest, most explosive test. I don't know

1110
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: if Lopez has the goods, if Lomachenko can figure him out.

1111
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: Can Tao femo out boxing for twelve rounds? Probably not,

1112
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 3: But the fact that he has that unchecked explosiveness and

1113
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: the balls to go after it, that's the biggest storyline.

1114
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: Too much, too soon or a star is born on

1115
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: this night. We're gonna find that out on Saturday. I

1116
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,919
Speaker 3: can't friggin wait, Luke, and you better believe MK has

1117
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 3: you covered this week. We got interviews lined up with

1118
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: Lopez Lomachenko, we got breakdown videos, we got a lot

1119
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: coming for you in a fight that's as good as

1120
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 3: it gets in the sport.

1121
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: Let me ask slip me the Devil's advocate for a

1122
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: second BC. So I was looking at the odds for Lopez,

1123
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: both historically and for this fight. Here's what stood out

1124
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: to me. This is easily the most that Lopez has

1125
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: ever been an underdog in his entire professional career. Now,

1126
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 2: the fight against Richard Komi was closer when it opened

1127
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: minus won twenty five minus one eleven, essentially a pick them,

1128
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 2: So they thought that was very, very competitive. But they

1129
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 2: think that Lopez, they've got him at about a plus

1130
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: two seventy. They've got a Lomachenko at minus five hundred. Now,

1131
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: I understand this is not MMA, but if it were MMA,

1132
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: you'd be like, this is a blowout, So why is

1133
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: it not a blowout?

1134
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: It's more the idea like Lomachenko is the better. No

1135
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 3: one's a better boxer in the world than Lomachenko, So

1136
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 3: I get the minus five hundred there because if he

1137
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: can handle or avoid the power, this looks like one

1138
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: of those fights that Lomachenko could outclass the young kid

1139
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: and and be sort of that giant capstone, dangerous, you know,

1140
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 3: hurdle cleared on his already Hall of Fame, amazing career.

1141
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: But Lope is going to be in this fight. We've

1142
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: seen Lomachenko get dropped before at one thirty five by

1143
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: Lenaris in a really close fight. He was in kind

1144
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: of a shootout there with Padraza that a lot of

1145
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: people didn't realize how close it actually was at one

1146
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: thirty five. He's in a spot where he can get caught,

1147
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 3: even though he can brilliantly outbox you and Lopez, we

1148
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 3: just don't know how great he is. I had Roy

1149
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 3: Jones Junior on my podcast last year. I said, you know,

1150
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 3: does anybody remind you of ROYD Jones Junior? He says,

1151
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: Tayo female Lopez Junior the only one. I mean, you

1152
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: can't get a higher recommendation for somebody. Lopez is unorthodox,

1153
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 3: he's ballsy, he's explosive. I absolutely don't know what this

1154
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: is gonna look like, Luke. And to be really honest,

1155
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: in boxing, we don't always get that even at the

1156
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: pay per view highest level. This is not a pay

1157
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: per view. It could be I don't know who's gonna win.

1158
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: It's gonna be edge of your seat for those first three, four,

1159
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: five rounds and really the whole distance.

1160
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: If it goes there, I'll say this PC for for

1161
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: what it is worth. From my perspective. I actually had

1162
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: back when I still did my radio show. I had

1163
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: Vinnie Paz, who is the frontman for the Jedi My

1164
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: trix also Army of the Pharaohs of Rapper shots to

1165
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: box Cutter Pazzi, and he's a hardcore boxing scholar and

1166
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards. He's sort of believed at the time.

1167
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: Now maybe it's different now that this was going to

1168
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 2: be a runaway for Lomachenko. Now, to be clear, Vinnie

1169
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: and you and a lot of people know a lot

1170
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: more than me. But I've been looking at a lot

1171
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: of tape on Lopez and I just feel like, what

1172
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: are y'all not seeing that I am? He is incredible.

1173
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: He makes fast decisions, dude. He is an a plus

1174
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: level athlete. BC. I know you love guys that dare

1175
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 2: to be great. He is one of them. And he's

1176
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: had a few moments in his life where he's been

1177
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: cut out at the knees with the Olympics, losing the

1178
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: spot to be on the US team on a technicality

1179
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: going for his his father's country of Honduras, and then

1180
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: losing to the eventual silver medalist, but also in a

1181
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 2: very close fight that he probably could have won. He

1182
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: is to me heavy handed at one thirty five, he

1183
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: probably has a future. BC. I think you would agree.

1184
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: Maybe at one hundred and forty or even above that

1185
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 2: as he gets a little bit older and more mature

1186
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: late twenties, early thirties kind of a thing. As you

1187
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: indicated when he was fighting the guys below one thirty

1188
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: five up to Riggandau, Lomachenko was just run through them

1189
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: for the most part this Sluto fight, notwithstanding at one

1190
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: thirty five he's been dominant there too, but he's had

1191
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: a couple of even the Campbell fight had a couple

1192
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: of dicey moments all the way through it. To me,

1193
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: this is like, do I expect Lomachenko to win. He's

1194
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: maybe the smartest, most sophisticated boxer I've ever laid eyes

1195
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: on personally, but there is something about Lopez at this

1196
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 2: age getting better fight over fight, his athleticism, his power,

1197
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 2: his ability to make reads and adjustments. I absolutely consider

1198
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: him to be a live dog. So less than this

1199
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: being the Lomachenko show, I actually feel like this could

1200
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: be the coming out party to a degree of Teo

1201
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: Femo Lopez if the Kombe fight wasn't I find this

1202
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: to be a fifty to fifty flip a coin. Is

1203
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 2: it going to be the skills of Lomachenko that went

1204
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: out or the maybe somewhat less skilled but much more

1205
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: athletic for this weight class. Lopez, I love everything about

1206
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: this fight, and I'll say it again free BC. By

1207
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: the way, tell the fans. Didn't Lomachenko have to give

1208
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: up part of his purse to make this fight possible.

1209
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: That's how badly he wanted it. The negotiations were falling

1210
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 3: apart at some point because Lopez felt that he was

1211
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: a little bit low balled. Lomachenko again in the argument

1212
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: for your POMF for pound King stood up and was like,

1213
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 3: I'll take less to fight this guy to teach him

1214
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: a lesson. There's bad blood between them. I don't know

1215
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 3: if everyone here knows. Lopez'z his dad Junior as trainer

1216
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 3: Teyo Fimo Senior. They call him Junior. He is a madman, okay,

1217
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: and he was the guy who sort of started the

1218
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 3: idea of this fight two years ago by going up

1219
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: to Lomachenko as Vassili was going to walk to the

1220
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 3: ring for his fight at Madison Square Garden against Lenaris

1221
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: and got in his face and was like, my son's

1222
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: gonna kick your ass. I mean, this is the pressure

1223
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 3: put on Lopez Junior who just turned twenty three Luke,

1224
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: but he's very mature, married already, like this guy is,

1225
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about anything in terms of

1226
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: being young. I want to close on this about the

1227
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: style matchup. Though Lomachenko's a wizard, he does things footwork wise,

1228
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: engles wise that traditional boxers just can't pick up, can't

1229
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: deal with. He's also fighting a completely unorthodox guy in Lopez, who,

1230
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 3: like I mentioned, does those Roy Jones things where you

1231
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 3: leap in with a left hook that you just don't

1232
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: see coming. When you match weird with weird, it's gonna

1233
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: be you know, it's gonna be a challenge for Lomachenko

1234
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: to pick up those rhythms. He's used to orthodox guys

1235
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: coming at him and he just dances around them. You get,

1236
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 3: you get two weird things. They're gonna collide like us.

1237
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: Look like this show. Okay, a lot of weird elements

1238
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: in this show mixed for combustion. We're gonna see that

1239
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: on Saturday. Can't wait, can't wait.

1240
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: I totally love your analysis, looking forward to your interviews

1241
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: with these gentlemen. It's gonna be here on the MK channel,

1242
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: by the way, so stay tuned, all right, but we

1243
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: can't forget about our MMA side of things. BC Brian

1244
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: or Taga back after two years. He wasn't USADA suspended,

1245
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: but he was out as long as one would be

1246
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: if they had been back against a Korean zombie. I'll

1247
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: go to you one more time on this. What is

1248
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: the major storyline that you are paying attention to for

1249
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 2: this sensational main event.

1250
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one hundred percent about how does Ortega look?

1251
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: But I think even more importantly for me Luke as

1252
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 3: an arteake of fan. Straight up, I'm gonna say that,

1253
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: what style is he going to employ moving forward? He

1254
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: was a guy who he became known for being a

1255
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: submission expert. He's amazing on the ground, a wizard in

1256
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: his own right. Yet he went in there against Max Holloway.

1257
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: The last time we saw him and Luke, he showed

1258
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: you that old school la and him that guy from

1259
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 3: the streets who was willing to fight to the death.

1260
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: You know, you hate using terms like that, but he

1261
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: used it himself. And the way he talked about as

1262
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: his face was falling apart, still coming on, still landing

1263
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: shots against Holloway in that fight. What has now two

1264
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: years removed. His future look like we want to see

1265
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 3: him answer the questions physically. Can he be fresh against

1266
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: a tough ass opponent here in the Zombie? Can he

1267
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 3: be all those things? But what type of style is

1268
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Speaker 3: going to be his best chance? Excuse me of getting

1269
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: back into this title picture and being a player. A

1270
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 3: lot of pressure on him, Luke, lot a lot of

1271
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: pressure right now. Okay. I know that sometimes we dabble

1272
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: in things that relieve the pressure. And you know he

1273
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 3: made that movie with Holly Berry. I have no idea

1274
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: what happened behind the scene would shout out to him regardless,

1275
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 3: Hopefully that relieved some of the pressure, Luke. But I

1276
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: will say I can't wait. I can't wait to see

1277
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 3: with this guy because you you're not ready. You got

1278
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: a bad strategy. The Zombie's gonna lay you the hell out.

1279
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 2: Bro. Even if you have a good strategy, he might

1280
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 2: lay you the hell out. I agree that your narrative,

1281
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: the one about Brian or Taga, that is the predominant

1282
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 2: narrative here, no doubt. But I should give a little

1283
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 2: bit of mention to also the narrative about the Korean zombie.

1284
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: Here was a guy who I've said this on my

1285
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: personal live chat many times. His nickname doesn't even make

1286
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: sense anymore. I mean, it's an amazing nickname, it sounds

1287
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: really cool, but he got it because he was one

1288
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: of these guys who would just sort of stand there,

1289
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: squared up, take a big shot and keep going. That's

1290
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 2: not who he is anymore. He is dynamic on the feet,

1291
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: he's got good head movement, he's got amazing boxing, he's

1292
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: got good counter striking, good ground and pound. He can

1293
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: take the back with these and hold it positionally. He's

1294
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: just a really amazing, well rounded fighter. And for him

1295
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 2: to take all that time off between twenty thirteen and

1296
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen for military service in South Korea to come

1297
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: back and be a significantly better version of himself. Not

1298
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: only will he be the title contender if he ends

1299
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 2: up winning this contest, although I suppose or taken my

1300
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 2: b as well, but beyond that, just to show what

1301
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 2: is capable, like, who really is the Korean zombie? What

1302
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: can he do? The run he's been on, I mean,

1303
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: he was beating Aer Rodriguez before that amazing elbow right,

1304
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: so he's actually should be should be on a four

1305
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: fight winning streak. He dispatched Frankie Edgar like it was nothing.

1306
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 2: I really feel like if he beats Ortega and gets

1307
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: that title fight again, he had one against Jose Aldo

1308
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: in a different era. To reinvent yourself and get another

1309
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: title shot years later with a much more updated game,

1310
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: and to be at your best while you do that,

1311
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 2: that is remarkable. That is very, very difficult to do.

1312
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: If he's able to do it, I'd take my hat

1313
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: off to him. And if he didn't take him seriously before,

1314
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: you better start.

1315
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been awesome since returning from that two year break,

1316
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 3: and I did get a chance to interview him through

1317
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 3: a translator a month ago. Where's my thought was interesting?

1318
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 3: What he said, Luke was that he completely regrets that

1319
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: whole trash talk incident on aerial show with his translator Jay

1320
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: Park and Ortega slap in Park at the at the

1321
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: UFC fight earlier this year in the crowd. He said

1322
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 3: he only did that because he thought the fans would

1323
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 3: like it. He said, it's not who he is as

1324
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: a character at all, in a person, and it brought

1325
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 3: so much stress on his life that he's just basically, look,

1326
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: I love Ortega, I respect him. We're just gonna go

1327
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 3: to war because that's what I do. I like that

1328
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: candidness there, and that's who he is. I mean, he

1329
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: just brings the lunch pale. It just so happens that

1330
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: he's rounded out his game, like you mentioned, to be

1331
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: a tough ass out if he beats Ortega, whether it's

1332
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 3: one hundred percent Ortega from two years ago or any

1333
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 3: type of other version. Yes, Dane already said, the winner

1334
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 3: of this fight's getting the title shot, and he's gonna

1335
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 3: be a live dog in there against all your heroes,

1336
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 3: right Volkanowski, Holloway, whoever else he can get in there with.

1337
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 3: He's in that game. He's in that fight against City

1338
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: Cock boxing star Alexander Volkanowski. Okay, he's in that fight.

1339
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 3: He's gonna be in that He's gonna be up in

1340
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: his ass too, Luke, He's in that fight.

1341
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: All right. All right, So.

1342
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 3: Lot, you know, Luke, you know it deep inside your

1343
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 3: black heart.

1344
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: You know it a lot to look forward to if

1345
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 2: you're a fight fan on Saturday. With that in mind,

1346
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: let's go to the next segment. This is where you

1347
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: get to ask us questions. We put out a post

1348
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 2: on Instagram every Sunday it's time now for dms from Donks.

1349
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: There's the animation heye haw all right BC up first

1350
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 2: from at M dot Chard in retrospective, I think he

1351
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: means retrospect of Saturday's UFC event. Should we make it

1352
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: a national holiday to laugh at people who dislike a

1353
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 2: card before it even happens? What do you think?

1354
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 3: Who disliked this card? Who in the hell disliked this

1355
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: card before it happened? I don't get it.

1356
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there wasn't a lot of people bagging on it.

1357
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: I didn't see that.

1358
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 3: But let's imagine that freaking amazing fight on paper, this

1359
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: main event, and que.

1360
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 2: Let's imagine we had a card for UFC standards. You

1361
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: were like, oh, this is well below it? What about it?

1362
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 3: Then we're allowed to have an opinion. There are times

1363
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 3: we mentioned that, like when Connor's on top of a card,

1364
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 3: they don't load it up right. Doesn't mean those fights

1365
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 3: can't live, you know, go above expectations. It also doesn't

1366
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 3: mean you need to go back and tag everybody who

1367
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 3: told you this isn't a great fight on paper. It

1368
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: is what it is. We all have Luke. It's like

1369
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 3: you're afraid to give predictions of fights because you think

1370
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 3: people are gonna hold it to you to the death

1371
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: that you thought you know. Volkanowski was gonna dance around

1372
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: the zombie and then the zombie took his soul. Who cares.

1373
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 3: We're trying to make the best guess in the moment.

1374
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes you look at a UFC card, it sucks the horn.

1375
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 3: We tell you the truth is what we do on

1376
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: this show. Gay people think I'm drinking white Claws.

1377
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1378
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: I'm drinking hemp and fused seltzer called Kalo get the

1379
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 3: pomegranate peach flavor. It's fantastic.

1380
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'll just say this. It's like, look, it's true.

1381
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 2: Nobody can predict the future. You can look at a

1382
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: card on paper and it doesn't really interest you and

1383
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: ultimately ends up being really entertaining for one reason or another.

1384
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: But a couple of things. One, if people are dismissive

1385
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: about it, maybe ask why. Maybe it lacks star power

1386
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: and they're casual fans, in which case that doesn't really

1387
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 2: affect you. But maybe it's because they're not really interested

1388
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: in the matchups. Like in the end, Overeen versus Augusto

1389
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: Sakai ended up being a pretty decent, if not outright

1390
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: good fight. But it wasn't like I'm trying to budget

1391
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 2: I have twenty four hours in a day, BC, I'm

1392
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: trying to budget my time. Is that something I want

1393
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 2: to necessarily budget time for ahead of time? No, it's

1394
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: not necessarily one of those things. It's not an indictment.

1395
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: And the last thing I would say is don't fall

1396
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: for promoter tricks. Promoters want to tell you, oh, you

1397
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 2: have to watch everything because that's where you'll get all

1398
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 2: the good stuff. Is if you miss all the stuff

1399
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 2: that people laugh at a it's not really true and

1400
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 2: be they're just trying to get you to watch, Like, hey,

1401
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: don't I'll.

1402
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: Tell me how to live my life. Okay, Hey puff daddy,

1403
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:46,919
Speaker 3: vote or die I'm dead, Okay you can. You can't

1404
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: tell me.

1405
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 2: Okay, you get.

1406
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 3: Your grandfather fought in a war, Luke, so that I

1407
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: don't have to vote. Okay, thank you.

1408
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 2: In the end, watch what you want to watch, and

1409
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: if you were wrong, go back and watch it later.

1410
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: It's the end, all right.

1411
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: At La Nator every year if they let me, okay.

1412
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 2: You could write them in if you want. At lollow

1413
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: dot RM is UFC compensating the latest quantity over quality

1414
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: with great matchmaking. So the idea here at BC would

1415
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: be we've got a bunch of Contender Series guys in there,

1416
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: but we're making it work by putting them in interesting

1417
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 2: fights that brings out the best action. Do you agree

1418
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: with that?

1419
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Look, look, let's let's say what needs to

1420
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 3: be said here. Dana White hero during the quarantine. Whether

1421
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 3: you liked his Taichi Palace season or not, he got

1422
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 3: the fights back on. He's dealing with a smaller group

1423
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 3: of pool of available fighters sometimes because of travel or whatever. Also,

1424
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 3: you know you've read ESPN had a nice story about

1425
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: how the quarantine's killing the regional boxing and MMA promotions

1426
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: in terms of feeding fighters up. This has not been

1427
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 3: easy for Shaun Shelby, mcmaynard and everybody there at the

1428
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 3: top level, and UFC is running laps around everyone else

1429
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: in combat sports from the standpoint of still putting on

1430
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: consistent quality cards. Some of it's been just creative matchmaking.

1431
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: Some of it's been Hey, Hannah Ciphers will fight for

1432
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: the fourteenth time this weekend, let's do it. You know,

1433
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: whoever's available is going to jump in there. And I

1434
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 3: think it's been a big success. I have nothing bad

1435
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: to say about that, Luke.

1436
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, there. Look, there's definitely been a lot of

1437
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: fights that did not need to get made, which were

1438
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 2: LFA quality or whatever else you want to say. But

1439
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: a couple of things. One, in this situation, if you

1440
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: can do it safely, and the UFC has demonstrated that

1441
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 2: we to the best of our ability, that they can

1442
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: do it safely, I'll take that over having nothing. Number one,

1443
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: that's the first thing you should say. Number Two, you're right,

1444
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: there probably is something to be said for like, Okay,

1445
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: we've got limited resources, how do we maximize that with

1446
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: interesting matchmaking? There's something to be said for that as well.

1447
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: But BC, I make this point all the time, and

1448
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: people disagree with it. I don't really understand how it's

1449
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 2: even possible, which is, dude, mma, fighters are better than

1450
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: they've ever been. I went back and I watched from

1451
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen a video on youtie tube that the UFC

1452
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: had put up, which was at the time, so twenty thirteen,

1453
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, best knockouts, and many of those stand the

1454
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: test of time, to be clear, but it's just amazing

1455
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: to watch how much better fighters have got now. It's

1456
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 2: true just because fighters have gotten better, sometimes the fights

1457
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 2: can be more boring because they don't have an ace

1458
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: in the whole skill wise, or they just you know,

1459
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: they match up to Evenlee or something. It doesn't necessarily

1460
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: make every fight better, But I don't know. I'll take

1461
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 2: better fighters fighting better fighters over worst fighters fighting worse

1462
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 2: fighters ninety nine times out of one hundred. I just

1463
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: think in general, you're just getting a lot more bang

1464
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: for your buck in terms of what these guys can

1465
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: do by the time they get to the UFC, whether

1466
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 2: they're Contender Series fighters or not. So maybe it's a

1467
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: little bit of luck a lot of engineering, but I

1468
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 2: also feel like, dude, fighters are amazing today. I've said

1469
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: it before BC, this is the best time in the

1470
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: history of humanity to be a combat sports fan. Embrace.

1471
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. And I have to give Amy a

1472
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: couple here. I've given you this take before on various

1473
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 3: versions of MK, and I believe it that today's NBA.

1474
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm the old guy, you know, on the porch saying

1475
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 3: get off my lawn. Take me back to the nineties

1476
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 3: when we could do high pick and roll and post

1477
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: up game and all that I do In some ways

1478
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 3: hate the new NBA, which is all driving dish three

1479
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:22,879
Speaker 3: pointers left and right. But I was watching the finals,

1480
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: you know, at a superfan level, which ended last night, Luke,

1481
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 3: and I did sort of, you know, have that wake

1482
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: up and realize moment. We can't go back there because

1483
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 3: basketball players have never been this good before, Luke, you.

1484
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

1485
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 3: It's like there's you can't have a John Conkac out

1486
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 3: there anymore. You can't have a Charles Oakley. You can

1487
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: have a seven foot Anthony Davis who can make threes

1488
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 3: and dribble and do everything. And that's the evolution of

1489
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 3: where we're at. And that's you know, in a lot

1490
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 3: I mean, like I don't like the rule changes in

1491
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 3: the mid two thousands that opened up the floor to

1492
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 3: a lot of degrees. But we are seeing the the

1493
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 3: the highest evolution of the human craft here and you

1494
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 3: know even in com that sports video podcasting as well. Luke, Okay,

1495
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 3: that's why we are ahead of the game.

1496
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,719
Speaker 2: Very good. I agree with all of that. At Okay,

1497
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 2: this is a tough one. At olaful Laffelwitz, I think

1498
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,720
Speaker 2: I got that right. What is your opinion on Kevin

1499
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 2: Sataki's style of reffing. In my opinion, he interrupts fights

1500
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 2: and talks to fighters a bit too much. You see,

1501
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 2: a ref should be like a dude in porno. You

1502
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: should talk as little as pensible.

1503
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, a ref should be like a

1504
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 3: like a cameraman in that in that genre, or like

1505
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 3: the boom mic guy, like like all boom mic guys

1506
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 3: and adult films should should be like Keith Peterson. Remember

1507
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 3: when Dominic Cruz said he smelled like uh, bitches and cigarettes.

1508
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 3: Like that's what basically those guys should be. So we

1509
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 3: should know little about them. And uh, although you know,

1510
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 3: if we can hook up an MK journey to wherever

1511
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 3: Josh Rosenthal hangs out, I'd like to. Uh, I'd like

1512
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 3: to go down that road with you.

1513
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: Luke.

1514
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll have what he's having. But outside of that,

1515
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 3: I don't even know who this Kevin Sakaya guy is.

1516
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: And maybe that I wasn't. Yeah, I forgot exactly which

1517
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: fights he was refing. But he's a lot of like,

1518
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: you know, don't talk trash, and you know he's just

1519
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 2: constantly and they do that in.

1520
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,719
Speaker 3: Boxing sometimes, you know, don't talk trash. That's what fighting

1521
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 3: is built off.

1522
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: Of I know, I get it. I mean, if they're

1523
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: doing that and not fighting, I think you can say something.

1524
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: But if they're doing that while fighting, just let a

1525
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 2: rock you know who cares. Yeah, he probably is a

1526
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: little bit too involved for my taste. There was another referee,

1527
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: Lucas something. I forget his last name. I think he

1528
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: was Polish. He was a pretty good referee there on

1529
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: Saturday night, all right, from Mark, he's real quick.

1530
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: Lucas Lucas, real quick. Is Mark Goddard the best referee

1531
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 3: in the game right now?

1532
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. He's pretty good. I've often said this.

1533
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: He got maligned in the Ousman versus Woodley fight totally unfairly.

1534
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: Is he perfect? No? Does he make mistakes? They all do,

1535
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: but pound for pound he might be number one.

1536
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 3: All right.

1537
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 2: By the way, where's Josh Rosenthal? Why are we seeing

1538
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: him more?

1539
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I mean,

1540
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 3: Herb Dean's still the og. We got. We still got

1541
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 3: some guys. You know, haven't seen a Mazagati around in

1542
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 3: a while. You know what's ironic about that is Dana

1543
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: hates the crap out of that guy. You know, that

1544
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 3: guy works for the Vegas Commission. So he's the guy

1545
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 3: sitting next to the cage in the referee shirt, like

1546
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: keeping the time and all that.

1547
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the foot locker salesman.

1548
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, all right.

1549
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: Marquise eight Phillips says Darren Till seemed to offer himself

1550
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: as a potential matchup for Kamzot. Do you guys agree

1551
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 2: that it would be a good matchup? And how do

1552
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: you think it would play out? Yeah?

1553
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 3: Fucking great matchup. Yeah, be a freaking fantastic matchup. And

1554
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm and I'm here for coms out having the balls

1555
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,679
Speaker 3: to just be like, give me anyone and I'll fight

1556
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 3: them right now, let's do it. We have this talk already,

1557
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 3: some prospects. I want to take careful this guy. It

1558
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 3: might be too good. All right, let's see it. I

1559
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: want every I'm just sick of the people that are

1560
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 3: tweeting me he should fight Chandler at what freaking weight

1561
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 3: class is he gonna fight Chandler? Stop this?

1562
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, it's like, dude, this thing about Kamzot,

1563
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 2: It's like, listen, he might actually be the man. I'm

1564
01:12:58,520 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: not telling you that he's not. It's not one to

1565
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: Sitchas where I look at him like, oh, I can

1566
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 2: declare to you that we know his upside and it's limited.

1567
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: I don't know what his upside is. But that's sort

1568
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: of my point. It's like, there's so many unknowns here.

1569
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 2: He could go in there and fight Darren Till and

1570
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: get fucked up. That is a very real possibility. Now

1571
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: if he goes in there and he beats up Darren Till,

1572
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 2: well then you know, forget it. Just rush that guy

1573
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: to a title shot like he's been, you know, hitting

1574
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: the stomach with the shotgun shells and he has to

1575
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 2: go to the emergency room. I mean that kind of urgency.

1576
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 2: But we just don't know a whole lot about him

1577
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: because the guys he had longer fights with are not

1578
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: super elite, and the fight he recently had, we knew

1579
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 2: he had big power. I tweeted he had big power

1580
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 2: up before he had it the fight. Okay, it's nice,

1581
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 2: but it still doesn't tell you a whole lot. We

1582
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 2: need more information, So slow the roll, everybody, all right, Last,

1583
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: but not least from at Man's low eighty four BC.

1584
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 2: This is tailor made for you. What are the keys

1585
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: to victory for both Lumachenko and Tayo Femo. Uh.

1586
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 3: By the way, there's some weird elements in this matchup

1587
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 3: if you want to them to make comparison to Connor

1588
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 3: versus Aldo in some ways, like Tao is not as

1589
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 3: brash as Connor was in that point. But that that's

1590
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: really your equivalent of what this fight is. Okay, the

1591
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 3: key to victory here, look, Uh, Lopez is certainly gonna

1592
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 3: be looking for like the leaping left hook in the

1593
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 3: big power shots, but he's gonna have to have moments

1594
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 3: where he boxes. So he's got to find Lomachenko with

1595
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 3: that jab. He's got to be able to set up

1596
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 3: his power shots and not just be headhunting and looking

1597
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 3: for the for the counter, any chance he could go

1598
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: to the body to slow Lomachenko down, that's going to

1599
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 3: be a big uh part of that. Being the bigger man. Uh,

1600
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: you know, trying to body up. It's not easy. It's

1601
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 3: not easy to corral Lomachenko. Almachenko is gonna have to

1602
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 3: be a wizard. He's gonna have to just come out

1603
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 3: with you know, with footwork patterns and creativity that Loma.

1604
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 3: You can't prepare for either of these guys, which is

1605
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 3: what makes this matchup so well. They're so unique in

1606
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 3: their styles. But Lomachenko has this problem. You know, he

1607
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: can't get hit with the big one here. He can't

1608
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 3: you know, the this is a this is a size

1609
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 3: issue if anything here. So he's gonna have to swim

1610
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,839
Speaker 3: without getting wet as the great and I seem Richardson

1611
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 3: would say, only he has you know, he's better equipped

1612
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 3: to do that than really anybody else because of how

1613
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: unique his craft is.

1614
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only thing I would add for Lomachenko is

1615
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: he has got to box in such a way that

1616
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 2: when Teo Femo opens up, he's able to counter him

1617
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: to such a degree that Lopez will then say, well,

1618
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 2: I need to be much more judicious in the way

1619
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: in which I open up, because that will then make

1620
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: him more calculated, which will make him even more readable.

1621
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 2: But to the extent Lopez can just get going and land,

1622
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: that's a problem for Lomachenko. All right, BC, we gotta

1623
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: be silly, take it away.

1624
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be silly. But you know what

1625
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 3: we do a look, okay, the greatest segment in the

1626
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: history of combat sports is upon us. We scour the

1627
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 3: Globe for the highs and lows, the good and bad

1628
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: and combat sports and beyond. Jay I didn't say started yet,

1629
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 3: but this is have you seen this shit? UFC may

1630
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 3: have produced the best knockout of all time, but check

1631
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 3: out what happened Luke in ks W fifty.

1632
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: Five with Kaladoff jumping switchkick.

1633
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 3: Mom had Khaladoff given us a lot to get fired

1634
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,719
Speaker 3: up about Luke? This video went viral like two hours

1635
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 3: before the Buckley knockout, and people were going sick in

1636
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 3: my mansions, in my slacks, in my texts. This was

1637
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 3: you know, this guy was the star for a couple hours.

1638
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 3: This is fantastic. Look at that ref taking a fall.

1639
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 2: That is I mean, it's amazing that this knockout is

1640
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: easily second third best of the weekend, is not even

1641
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: close to the first best. And that's an amazing ko.

1642
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. My colleague at CBS Sports, Brent Brookhouse, had a

1643
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 3: great comment san Haagan's spinning knockout kick off Maris was

1644
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,600
Speaker 3: sick and it's like a distant for third best of

1645
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 3: the weekend.

1646
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

1647
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 3: That is some good iss right there. All right, let's

1648
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 3: go to belatour two forty eight Luke, did did you

1649
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:52,280
Speaker 3: pop for this? Oliver Encamp was in there against Dawa

1650
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,880
Speaker 3: put on the Japanese necktie. Luke, is this impressive? Why

1651
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 3: is this different than a regular front choke?

1652
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 2: So I'm trying to see here it is. Okay, that's

1653
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 2: a three quarter stack he has right there, and then

1654
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:08,000
Speaker 2: he turns that into Oh I see, It's just the

1655
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: gripping is a little bit different, and there's no bicep grip.

1656
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: He's just taking his hands and he's and he's scissoring

1657
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: the back of the head into the into the chest there,

1658
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: and then he sits on top of it like that,

1659
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 2: see that. And then he's got the leg wrap too,

1660
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: so he's just scrunching everything in. But the gripping is

1661
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: a little bit different.

1662
01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: He does it more or less impressive than a Mackenza teene.

1663
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 2: Uh, because he's pretty god damn impressive. The reason why

1664
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 2: this is interesting is because in the normal progression of chokes,

1665
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 2: this is halfway there. And what someone has figured out

1666
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: is you can stop halfway there if you make the

1667
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 2: right adjustments to it, and it becomes all the way

1668
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:43,679
Speaker 2: there all of a sudden.

1669
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 3: That's why, all right, let's roll on later. In the

1670
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: night at Bellator Paris. Did you see the celebration from

1671
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 3: Francis eve landu A.

1672
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to do that thing where you grab

1673
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 2: your other foot and put the other foot between it. Look.

1674
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, my seventh grade dances in middle school, there would

1675
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 3: always be like one kid who could do that in

1676
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 3: the center, and everybody else would would shyly form a

1677
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 3: circle around and just watch that. This is pretty sick, Luke.

1678
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 3: I gotta give this credit for this celebration, But Luke,

1679
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 3: is it better than a meal Valhalla from last month?

1680
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 3: Going sick after this celebration? Luke, who wins? Check this out?

1681
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 3: Ground and pound and then shot out like a cannon.

1682
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 2: Luke, this isn't last month. This was the Italian show

1683
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 2: that he was on. This was like a couple of

1684
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 2: years ago.

1685
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 3: No, oh, my bad, Luke. There's no time stamps when

1686
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 3: people send me this crap. But that guy's losing his ish.

1687
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: I've actually been excited, Luke for this.

1688
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: This is you when I send you a text about

1689
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,560
Speaker 2: police retweet my dissector.

1690
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, always fishing, always fishing for traffic. This guy all right,

1691
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 3: that's fine, that's fine. Let's roll on here, Luke, belatour

1692
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 3: Paris and two forty eight was the first major card

1693
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 3: in France since it was legalized. But there was an

1694
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 3: em mad GP show on Friday, and check out the

1695
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 3: lighting first of all, But how do you like this

1696
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 3: spiny shit on the on the Dennis sever style finish

1697
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 3: and then the celebration You down for all this?

1698
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: Well, you missed the whole story, which was this. You're right,

1699
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 2: this was the first card in France ever and the

1700
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 2: first strike that this guy landed here, the one who won,

1701
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: was a kick to the balls, which means the first

1702
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 2: ever strike in pro mma in France was a ball kick.

1703
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 2: Sounds very appropriate.

1704
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 3: Did you like Dana White throwing shade at Coker by

1705
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 3: tweeting now because this was you could see this on

1706
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 3: fight Pass tweeting out, you know, the historic first card

1707
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 3: in France's history turned to fight Pass right now?

1708
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who cares? He blocked me on Twitter? Anyway?

1709
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 3: All right, all right, who cares about that? Hey, let's

1710
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,439
Speaker 3: go on, Luke. Check out this dancing horse. Okay, we

1711
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 3: got a mariachi band live, but this horse gives no

1712
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 3: cares whatsoever. First of all, check out his technique.

1713
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: Pretty good, right, Yeah, this must be a female because

1714
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 2: or maybe because it doesn't have the unit that uh

1715
01:19:57,680 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 2: that Aaron Pico's horse, because.

1716
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, this it looks like Canelo on the horse. He's

1717
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: chilling out, they're dancing, we're celebrating. I'm sure this is

1718
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 3: a pretty good parking lot party. You gotta be careful though,

1719
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 3: around a horse, Luke. You don't want to set him off.

1720
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 3: You don't want to make a loud naughts or look out,

1721
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: holy there's a piper down. Yes, there's there's a Mariaci

1722
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 3: guy down, a clean up on.

1723
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 2: A Wow, I said no more.

1724
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 3: Macarena, yes please please, Okay, yes that was something. Speaking

1725
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: of rough riding, picture us riding dirty on this medley

1726
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 3: of stuff. Luke, check out the guy on this scooter.

1727
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 3: This does not end well.

1728
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's one of those things where it's like, hey,

1729
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 2: how flexible is the human spine?

1730
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 3: We advance further to BMX, Luke, this is what happens

1731
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 3: when the breaks fail you.

1732
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 2: Luke, No, no, no, no, God.

1733
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 3: I feel like that was planned though.

1734
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, what else was he trying to do here?

1735
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: Oh god? Alright, there's a lot.

1736
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 2: Of board kids in the suburbs.

1737
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 3: Man, check out this dirt bag on the dirt bike here, Luke,

1738
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 3: this may be Third World style here, this guy out

1739
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 3: here chasing waterfalls. Bro, please stick to the rivers and

1740
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 3: the lakes that you're used to. This does not end

1741
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 3: well for this gentleman.

1742
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 2: Luke, Dude, they always tell you do not try and

1743
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: cross an open body of water, and this motherfucker was like, yes,

1744
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 2: but I have a dirt bike from nineteen seventy three.

1745
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 3: Luke, Speaking of motorized vehicles, I think there should be

1746
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 3: an age limit on a vespa. You gotta be at

1747
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 3: least sixty five to get on one of these, right,

1748
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,639
Speaker 3: this guy coming up here, can we advance it? Jay

1749
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: way too young? Oh, we don't have it all right, Hey,

1750
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 3: let's move on. Let's go to the way in, Luke.

1751
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: Did you see Marcus Perez channeling his inner dark night?

1752
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that shit's played out and not funny or cool.

1753
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 3: Well, let's ask his opponent, Driscus Duplessis making his UFC debut.

1754
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 3: He got a little payback when they stepped in the cage.

1755
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 3: Can we advance the video?

1756
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: Bo?

1757
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 3: Why so serious?

1758
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 2: Bro?

1759
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 3: Right? Wow, if you're gonna wear that stuff, you gotta win.

1760
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 3: You gotta win.

1761
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 2: Luke, and he did the whole lip licking thing too,

1762
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 2: like he was all in on the bit. It's like, yeah,

1763
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 2: save that ship for Halloween. Player.

1764
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 3: Hey, this guy looks like a player. This guy ripped

1765
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: his jacked. He's throwing bombs.

1766
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 2: Right South African and by the way, you see what

1767
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 2: he said. He's like, I'm gonna be the first African

1768
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: born like train live in champ ever or first one anyway.

1769
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, ship, all right.

1770
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, who had?

1771
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: Who had? Who had? A white guy on first African

1772
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: champ in the UFC history and the first.

1773
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 3: Factory town born guy to host a make podcast? All right, hey, Luke,

1774
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 3: let's go on do a pole dancing? Done right? Or

1775
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 3: how about? First of all, this is what happens when

1776
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: drunk tricks. They get to the sidewalk, they see a

1777
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 3: lamp lamp post there. You know, they live out their

1778
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 3: inner dreams. Well done, But you gotta be careful, Luke,

1779
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 3: because everybody thinks they can one up.

1780
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 4: You.

1781
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 3: Check out this lady and behind it saying, oh hold on,

1782
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 3: hold on, you think you could you could think you

1783
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 3: can climb that pole? Watch this check out the o

1784
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 3: g getting ready here, Luke, how do you think this ends?

1785
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 3: Do them things have weight limits?

1786
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Luca is this is this a count hoe chaser?

1787
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 3: No chaser? They got crazy drunk things.

1788
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: I can't stream. Here is blurry.

1789
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 3: Wow, they ain't hogy farts, but there's something and that.

1790
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 3: All right, let's go on. Let's check it on a boila. Okay,

1791
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: let's check in. She out with the grandkids. All right,

1792
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 3: we got her on the rope and tire swing. Once again,

1793
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 3: there are weight limits on these things. Luke, this is

1794
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: an elderly woman. You gotta be careful. I mean, anything

1795
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 3: can happen right here.

1796
01:23:52,360 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 2: Look, this swing is just launching capesinos into the jungle hole.

1797
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 3: She's not coming back from that, Luke, She's not coming back. Okay.

1798
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 3: They have now grinding up her bones and added it

1799
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 3: to bags of cocaine.

1800
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: Lucas the easiest fark kidnapp in history.

1801
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody smoked a lot of oregano. Right, that's what

1802
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:15,519
Speaker 3: happens when.

1803
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: You buy it off.

1804
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 3: Ah, all right, let's go on. Luke from the Hard

1805
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:24,480
Speaker 3: Knocks Fighting Association. This looks to be the Canadian equivalent.

1806
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: Oh wait, we gotta sorry, we got a street fight

1807
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: of the week. I'm way off Boundario. Now, Luke, does

1808
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 3: it hurt the deliverer of the headbutt on this type

1809
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 3: of ko does it hurt?

1810
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 2: So the tricky is on headbuts that I've been told

1811
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know how true this is. So someone

1812
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: who knows about headbuts might say I'm wrong. But you

1813
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 2: ever noticed if you had a soccer ball on certain

1814
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 2: parts of your head, it hurts more or less depending

1815
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 2: on where you do it. Also, if you can punch

1816
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 2: someone on the top of the head, it's stronger. My

1817
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 2: understanding is you want a headbut where the skin meets

1818
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 2: the hair, So the hairline right around here, because that's

1819
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 2: where the skull is strongest, and you can still kind

1820
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: of aim with it, like you can't do it with

1821
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 2: like the front facing part of your of your dome.

1822
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: And if you look closely, the dude kind of leans

1823
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 2: into it right.

1824
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he walked right into it. I mean it is bow.

1825
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,560
Speaker 3: The thing is like, you know, he sees why you

1826
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: can't get into street fights. Luke, you don't know which

1827
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 3: short guy is gonna turn out to be hoys, Gracie.

1828
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 3: You don't know if somebody's gonna head butt you.

1829
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: Or I've seen so many street fights, working at bars

1830
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 2: and shit. I always tell people like, dude, you you

1831
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: you're not the badass you think you are nine times

1832
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 2: out of ten, and the other dude, you just don't

1833
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,719
Speaker 2: know what they're capable of. I have seen pip squeaks

1834
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 2: go out there and just put knuckle game to people

1835
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: that you would never imagine. Or you are tougher than them,

1836
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 2: but you're too drunk to fight.

1837
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, some people's goal is to sit in this

1838
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,799
Speaker 3: chair and play these these have you seen this videos?

1839
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 3: Other people's goal in life is to be in them. Okay,

1840
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 3: so you decide how your game is going to end. Look,

1841
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 3: let's go to the Hard Knocks Fighting Association. I've never

1842
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 3: heard of this, but it's in Canada. This looks like

1843
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 3: the Canadian equivalent of holloway Lamas round three. You remember

1844
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 3: this from one ninety nine. Wow, that have se a

1845
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 3: little flurry there, right.

1846
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: Terrible fighting, Yeah, just really really bad fighting.

1847
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 3: Shout out to the Haymaker's Instagram account. All right, uh luke,

1848
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,639
Speaker 3: let's bring on some basketball here. This may be the

1849
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 3: greatest slam dunk facial of all freaking time. Look, I

1850
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 3: don't care that the hoop is six feet tall. Look

1851
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 3: at this.

1852
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: Bow take that big country wow. Wow. No, you gotta

1853
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 2: get like the nuts in his face.

1854
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 3: That's when he re Yeah, you gotta go to full

1855
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 3: tea bags. This is about nine out of ten right there.

1856
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 3: That is great? All right, good dunk. Hey, let's move

1857
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 3: on to party tricks with uh with boobs here. Check

1858
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 3: out this guy using the moves to make the flip

1859
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 3: cup work. Impressive.

1860
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 2: You know what, rock what you got, But it's not

1861
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 2: really his moves. This his belly right. Yeah, well, I love.

1862
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 3: The celebration from his friends. Yes, I'd maybe tell him

1863
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 3: to close the shirt up before we do, before we manhug.

1864
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 3: All right, but that might not be the best use,

1865
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 3: the best use of the breast this week when it

1866
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 3: comes to a party. Fair. Let's move on here. Check

1867
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 3: out this chick crushing cans with cans.

1868
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: Look in, Do you do that with real ones or

1869
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:24,679
Speaker 2: fake ones?

1870
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 3: Those look real them look real?

1871
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 2: Luke, I don't know whether I'm like aroused or horrified.

1872
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you can be both. I've seen it,

1873
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 3: I've been there, it's happened. Okay, all right, Luke. People

1874
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 3: say we only do bad videos here of people failing.

1875
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 3: Let's celebrate a win here. Check out this dog playing Jenga.

1876
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 3: Look this is not an easy game. You can get

1877
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 3: hurt too. Look at this guy this.

1878
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 2: Yes, I love this dog. The dog is great. They

1879
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: do say Chocolate Labs are the smartest.

1880
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 3: That's it's brilliant. Love it all right? We got one

1881
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 3: more here to close, Luke, A little little little programming note,

1882
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:12,919
Speaker 3: we are moving all viewer fan art submissions any pictures

1883
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: of people wearing MK content to Wednesday Show Moving Forward,

1884
01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 3: getting it off of the have you seen this ship brand?

1885
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 3: This brand moving Forward will only be dogs, dogs winning

1886
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 3: at Jenga and old lady violence. Okay, well we got

1887
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 3: one more for you, Luke. In honor of the late

1888
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,639
Speaker 3: Eddie van Halen, check out Sinsay van Halen here. Yes,

1889
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 3: love it. Have no idea what's going on, but I'm

1890
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 3: in on it.

1891
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: You know what I don't is this cool?

1892
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 3: Or yeah? This is cool? This is cool?

1893
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 2: Cool?

1894
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 3: Jojo Life wouldn't post it and left it was cool?

1895
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: All right? I mean, you know, this dude has like

1896
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 2: three pet snakes and is like two months behind on

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Speaker 2: the rent.

1898
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Speaker 3: But I could see this guy is a meth cooker.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, this dude has definitely tried the Oh he.

1900
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Speaker 3: Goes head butt right there? Love that? Yeah he should Hendrix?

1901
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Speaker 3: That crap up?

1902
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Speaker 2: Jay? You know what this looks like. This looks like

1903
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 2: a scene out of Cobra Kai.

1904
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 3: I mean, here's the deal, Johnson's here's the deal.

1905
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Speaker 2: Is this cool? If you do this? And then you

1906
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 2: also sleep in your car?

1907
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,679
Speaker 3: Hey? Many famous people, including Jewel and Rond de Rousey

1908
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 3: have had to sleep in their cars.

1909
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, I've been brooke as fuck too, but I

1910
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Speaker 2: wasn't cool for it.

1911
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Speaker 4: Notice everyone in the background's face is blurred. They want

1912
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 4: no part.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they don't. They don't want it.

1914
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Speaker 4: And he missed that, and he missed the last break

1915
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Speaker 4: and just keeps going.

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Speaker 3: This is Saturday night at the trailer park. This is great?

1917
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Speaker 3: Is that? Is that eight mile? Alright? Let's get out

1918
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Speaker 3: of this. Look at you've seen it. It is what

1919
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 3: it is, all right? People love it?

1920
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, it's very good. Have you seen this shit?

1921
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Speaker 2: All right? You see? With that in mind, it is

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Speaker 2: time now for odds and ends. What do you have?

1923
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Speaker 2: Good sir?

1924
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Speaker 3: Look back to boxing real quick. Demetrius Andreid you're I

1925
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 3: think he's the WBO middleweight champion. We know his history, Luke.

1926
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,400
Speaker 3: He may be the most difficult out from one hundred

1927
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Speaker 3: and fifty four all the way up to one hundred

1928
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 3: and sixty eight pounds in the sport, but he sat

1929
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Speaker 3: out almost two years to get out of a promotional

1930
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 3: deal sign with Eddie Hearn and his own and can't

1931
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 3: get the big guys in the ring even though he's

1932
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Speaker 3: in the same promotional network sphere that includes all the

1933
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:18,599
Speaker 3: big names in his area, Canelo Saunders, all those guys.

1934
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 3: So here's what he did this week. He did an

1935
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 3: interview with Dan Riefiel a boxing scene called Billy Joe

1936
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: Saunders a bitch called Canelo a bitch said, Charlo, meet

1937
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 3: me for a one sixty unification. Luke, Look, this is

1938
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 3: how you have to talk when people don't want to

1939
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 3: fight you because you're a little bit too skilled and

1940
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 3: a little bit you know, not marketable enough, so to speak.

1941
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if we can make that fight networkly, promotionally.

1942
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 3: I'd like to live in a world where anything can happen.

1943
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 3: I want to see this guy in a big fight

1944
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 3: to showcase his talent before he turns forty? Is that

1945
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 3: too much to asking boxing? He's one of those guys

1946
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 3: who slipped through the cracks. I commend him for basically

1947
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 3: calling out anyone in an around his division. Let's let's

1948
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 3: get this guy in a big fight, please, Okay, come on?

1949
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 2: Quite reasonable?

1950
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Speaker 3: Okay? Also real quick. Mike Coppinger of The Athletic put

1951
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 3: out there that Tyson Fury looking to get out of

1952
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 3: that trilogy fight in December against Deontay Wilder, mostly because

1953
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 3: he believes Wilder's team is trying to push the fight

1954
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 3: to twenty twenty one. Luke, I know this is the

1955
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,840
Speaker 3: ugly side of boxing, the business side. If you're an

1956
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 3: MMA fan, you're like, why we even talk about this,

1957
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 3: because unfortunately in boxing, this becomes your headline news in

1958
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 3: between fights. According to Coppinger's sources, Fury may not be

1959
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 3: contractually obligated past the new year to make this fight

1960
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 3: happen now. If they can't make it for December, Fury

1961
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 3: wants to have a homecoming in Great Britain early in

1962
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 3: December and then fight Anthony Joshua, maybe even twice next year. Luke,

1963
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:52,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how it's gonna end. I don't know

1964
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 3: if this is a public move by Fury to put

1965
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 3: pressure on Shelley Finkel and team Wilder and PBC to

1966
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 3: make this fight happen in December. I know they want

1967
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 3: to put it in Raiders Stadium. I know the NFL

1968
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 3: schedule is making that tough. If your team Wilder, do

1969
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 3: you think that it's a better situation to push that

1970
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 3: fight off? Knock out a few cans, Because here's the deal, Luke,

1971
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 3: and this is a heavyweight renaissance era, meaning we got

1972
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 3: four or five names like that are fun, that make

1973
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:22,719
Speaker 3: great fights, But very few people can go twelve rounds

1974
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 3: with Deontay Wilder. I'm sorry, very few people can. Right,

1975
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 3: Tyson Fury at this point maybe the only guy we

1976
01:32:28,040 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 3: don't know yet, Okay, I mean Steverne did five years

1977
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 3: ago because Wilder broke his right hand. But we saw

1978
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 3: what happened in that rematch. If he goes back and

1979
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 3: rebuilds himself, starts knocking fools out but mixing in more

1980
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 3: with a jab, he may banging the drum soul loud

1981
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 3: that after Fury fights AJ once or twice and becomes

1982
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 3: the biggest star in the world, that trilogy fight might

1983
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 3: be bigger than we ever could imagine. What would you

1984
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 3: do if your team Deontay.

1985
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't take that fight because you lose that

1986
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: and your damage goods forever. It was a bad enough

1987
01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 2: loss where you want to take that when you have

1988
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: a re a reasonable chance at doing well enough. And

1989
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:04,840
Speaker 2: I know everyone's like, oh, he was injured and blah

1990
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 2: blah blah. Okay, I'm not saying a third fight would

1991
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 2: look the same as the second. It'd probably be an

1992
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: average between the first and the second somewhere around there. Nevertheless,

1993
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 2: I don't take it. I take an opportunity to remind

1994
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: everyone about my positives and then get a fight down

1995
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 2: the road. You're still gonna make big money no matter what.

1996
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 2: Do that. Don't take it. By the way, it's very

1997
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 2: boxing that the biggest news in the heavyweight division is

1998
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 2: that a fight is not going to be made. That

1999
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: is just epic boxing.

2000
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 3: That's the damn sport. It is what it is. All

2001
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying is if, like you said, if he loses,

2002
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 3: we may not ever have a need for another Fury fight.

2003
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 3: And if that third fight can be the biggest fight

2004
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 3: you can make in the sport a year and a

2005
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 3: half from now, and while there's confidence in brand is

2006
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 3: refurbished and you have all four belts on the line,

2007
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 3: and you do it in front of ninety thousand in England,

2008
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 3: or I don't put this, put a stadium on the moon,

2009
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 3: do it in front of one hundred thousand, a cowboy stadium.

2010
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 3: Whatever it might. It might be an event, Luke, and

2011
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 3: you might not get to that event if you lose

2012
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 3: to him a second time, no doubt about it.

2013
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 2: All right, from my odds and ends, this was a

2014
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 2: weird one. So last week John Jones and Israelata Signi

2015
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: were going back and forth and back and forth and

2016
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:16,600
Speaker 2: back and forth whatever. But in one of those exchanges

2017
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 2: on social media on Twitter, John Jones confirmed the story

2018
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: that chill Son and told in twenty sixteen on the

2019
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan podcast that he had heard John had hid

2020
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 2: from drug testers under the cage at Jackson Wink. Now

2021
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 2: John gives a slightly different version, which is it was

2022
01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 2: that you Sada he was hiding from. He was hiding

2023
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 2: from the Nevada Commission and they were, yes, they were

2024
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 2: drug testers, but he was only hiding because he had

2025
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 2: just in his words, smoked a blunt. But he confirmed

2026
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 2: that it was more or less true. So then espn

2027
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 2: U with Mark Ramundi reaches out to the Athletic Commission

2028
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 2: because Vanderlie Silva had just duffed on a test and

2029
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 2: they threw the book at him for it, and they

2030
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 2: asked the Commission for a comment. Now the Commission didn't

2031
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 2: give one, but they don't take to that kind of

2032
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: reckless disregard very kindly. I don't know what's going to happen, BC,

2033
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: but I find the admission strange so much.

2034
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 3: There's a lot of John critics, and they're rightfully so.

2035
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 3: And the thing you hear a lot from them, Luke,

2036
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 3: is that sadly he's an idiot in terms of handling

2037
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 3: certain public things, meaning that a lot of the trust,

2038
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 3: or all of the trouble he's gotten into was his

2039
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: fault in a lot of ways. This sort of falls

2040
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 3: in line with that if in a trash talk exchange

2041
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 3: you're sort of publicly incriminating yourself on a potential thing.

2042
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 3: I hate to see it. I think he's the greatest

2043
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: of all time. I love watching him, love covering his career,

2044
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 3: spent some wild moments for all of us, Luke. He

2045
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 3: said he's sent more than a few people to hell,

2046
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 3: not just you at that press conference that time. But yeah,

2047
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 3: I don't know what's gonna happen here. John has been teflon.

2048
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean you saw that went out of their way

2049
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 3: to get him back in there. UFC moved the freaking card.

2050
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 3: Uh you know, December, a couple of years back from

2051
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 3: Vegas to La for him. Is something's got to catch

2052
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 3: up with them eventually. Correct.

2053
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bizarre one. I did not understand

2054
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,679
Speaker 2: that one at all. I was very like, dude, why

2055
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 2: would you Okay, forget it? Who cares? You know, We'll

2056
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 2: see if the Nevada Commission does anything. That's the key though.

2057
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: Do they just let it? Do they let it slide?

2058
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 2: My thought is they probably will, but who knows they.

2059
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 3: Might maybe, you know, if they can get Jones and

2060
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 3: Ghanu and T mobile, maybe they'll let it pass.

2061
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly, all right, very good, b se. We

2062
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 2: should remind the good folks if they want some merch,

2063
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: it's available store dot show dot com. You can get

2064
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 2: tumblers like this, you can get mugs, you can get hats, shirts, beanies,

2065
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards. There you go. BC's got his

2066
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 2: on right there, rocking it like a trucker who is

2067
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 2: looking for a piece of ascid a truck stop from

2068
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 2: some kind of local prostitute. I don't know why you

2069
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 2: were in it like that anyway, but you can go

2070
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 2: to store show dot com.

2071
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 3: Well this good hair day. You think I'm gonna just

2072
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 3: mess that up? Okay, I do other things besides this

2073
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 3: show in life, Luke.

2074
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I see that.

2075
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:13,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

2076
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 2: If you want to try Showtime, you certainly can go

2077
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 2: to showtime dot Com. You can get a thirty day

2078
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 2: free trial. If you like it, you can keep it.

2079
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 2: If not, you can go after yourself. And we're on

2080
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 2: social media BC. We're on Twitter, We're on Instagram. This

2081
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 2: channel right here is on YouTube Morning Combat for everything

2082
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 2: that's uh Instagram, Twitter and YouTube related. Luke Thomas News

2083
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 2: for me, Brian C. Campbell on Instagram, l Thomas News

2084
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 2: on Twitter and then B Campbell CBS b B Campbell CBS.

2085
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 2: Remind the folks that you have going on in terms

2086
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 2: of interviews this week.

2087
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look we got we got one on ones

2088
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 3: with Wimachenko with Heo Fema Lopez Junior. It's gonna throughout

2089
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 3: this week, set the stage. We're gonna have some boxing

2090
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:58,400
Speaker 3: bonus material. I like this little this, this catalog we're building, Luke.

2091
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 3: The Three live shows each week, the Luke Q and

2092
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 3: a live chat the Luke Dissected, which is gonna be

2093
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 3: coming out. Uh, there's a lot of variety, a lot

2094
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 3: for people to like Luke. Uh and I think people

2095
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 3: should still be hitting us up at that email address

2096
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 3: Morningcombat at gmail dot com because we're trying to you know,

2097
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 3: f around and get a triple double here on the

2098
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 3: Wednesday and Friday shows on what the format is gonna

2099
01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 3: look like. We're moving some things around. We're taking your

2100
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 3: ideas and your thoughts seriously as well. So uh, it's

2101
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,759
Speaker 3: an unfinished product. But what other show Luke is gonna

2102
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 3: give you this type of content right bang for your buck?

2103
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 3: Who's gonna bang you? Like? Like the guys at Morning

2104
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 3: Combat does.

2105
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 2: B see what is the homework assignment for this week?

2106
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:38,800
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever decided that.

2107
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 3: Well, look, I think we we settled in on the

2108
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 3: idea that it would be you pick one week, I

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Speaker 3: pick another, and then the people pick. So uh uh.

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Speaker 3: Our one of our trustee producers, Mikey, I believe, is

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Speaker 3: compiling some suggestions that the that the that the viewers

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Speaker 3: have given and this week will be a fan vote,

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Speaker 3: So please check out the social media channels that we

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Speaker 3: just showed you on Morning Combat. We're gonna put the

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Speaker 3: vote out to the people, Luke, and hopefully on Wednesday

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Speaker 3: show we'll be able to announce what your homework is

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Speaker 3: for this week. Of course Friday we'll break it down.

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Speaker 3: These are submitted by the people, so this would be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't forget. The best place to get in

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Speaker 2: dead wrong submissions, fan art submissions, questions for the show, whatever,

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Speaker 2: Morningcombat at gmail dot com. It is ready and available

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Speaker 2: and ready to open for you guys. All right, Well,

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Speaker 2: with that being said, we have things to get to.

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. He and I are from CBS Sports. We

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Speaker 2: will see you on Wednesday, and until then, may all

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Speaker 2: of your gains be loyal.