WEBVTT - S1-E05: Baiting the Hook 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:13.480 Diversion podcasts. This episode contains descriptions of graphic violence and 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:30.319 scenes of genocide. Listener's discretion is advised. Mio was back 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:33.879 in sal Polo. He'd had a few close brushes on 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.000 his trip to Brazilia. We had almost been spotted by 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:42.760 some Israeli friends, but his cover was still intact. At 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:47.040 his hotel, Mio found business letters and telegrams waiting for him, 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.320 requesting your authorization to close the hundred thousand dollar deal 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:54.520 we discussed prior to your departure. Read one. The letters 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.680 looked real, but they weren't. Mio's massad boss back in Paris, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.480 Joseph your Reeve, had sent them in case. The butcher 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.840 was checking up on his new friend Anton kunz La 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:12.280 while he was out of town. Herbert Suckers had invited 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.280 kunz La to visit him and his family at his home, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.240 so me was getting ready for the meeting. He had 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.240 no idea what would happen, but they would ask him. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.400 He didn't even know what Suckers wanted, which was a 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.399 real question. Most spies use a handful of motives to 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:32.200 get people to do what they want. Money, sex, patriotism, resentment. 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.679 You've seen things like that in the movies, they're all 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:40.479 easy ways into somebody's life. But suckers, he was not fish. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.399 He seemed to want to be a hero again, to 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.160 be beloved. Neo couldn't offer him that. It was beyond 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.600 his powers. So what could he dangle in front of 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:56.000 the butcher? Here's former U. S. Army intelligence officer Chris Costa, 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:02.080 so human intelligence officers. They are rain to be a 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:07.560 little bit psychologist, a little bit body language expert. They 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:12.160 are also a father confessor. There are a rabbi, they're 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:16.880 a priest. They're a friend. They're a teacher, they're a mentor, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.239 they're a coach, they're a student. They have to adapt. 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:26.880 But all along the way, you are looking for clues 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:32.480 as to what motivates this individual that I have to manipulate. 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.720 Neal would have to play amateur psychologists. He sat on 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.720 his hotel bed. He thought back to his meeting with Sukers, 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.800 and he asked himself a few questions. What was the 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:48.200 butcher missing in his life? What did the butcher really want? 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.440 And how could he give the butcher that one thing 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.359 he lacked? I tried to imagine what had gone through 0:02:55.520 --> 0:03:01.560 Uker's mind since our so called accidental earst encounter that 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.240 had ended over a glass of brandy in the cabin 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:10.160 of his boat. It was clear that Herbert Stookers missed 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:15.240 the days of glory as deputy commander of the Rigor Ghetto. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:22.560 Then he had been almost an almighty god. At least 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:24.760 where's the life and death of the Jews of Riga 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:30.720 was concerned. He most probably recalls those days fondly, when 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.920 he was at the zenith of his power, treated with 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:38.080 great reverence and fear by anyone who saw him riding 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:44.000 on horseback through the streets of the ghetto, clasped heavy handgun, 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:50.720 clad in his black leather pilot's court. Then he had 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:56.320 unlimited power, the power to determine the fate of other people. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.840 How he must long for those days which seem now 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.800 looking through the window of the shabby ticket office of 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:09.800 his undown both rental business like a mirage produced by 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:26.880 in memory sells with an overdeveloped imagination. I'm Stephen Talty 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:32.479 in this as good assassin's hunting the butcher, So he's 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:36.080 the first part was to find and not be looking forward, 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.919 while for the second part was to find a nag 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:43.760 and healing. He shot fast and see expertise that comes 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.200 from experience, the end of a trail of blood and horror, 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.200 in the end of a man whose name will be 0:04:49.279 --> 0:05:16.440 written in infamy. M Episode five, Baiting the hook. Sitting there, 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.320 Mio began to feel his way into Zuker's life. He 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:22.160 thought about this former superstar pilot now working as a 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.320 kind of grease monkey. How far this man had fallen 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.599 in the world. Question one? What was the Butcher missing 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:34.279 in his life? Respect? The Jewish activists who discovered Suckers 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.719 living in Rio hadn't managed to get him deported or arrested, 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.599 but they had badly damaged his public image. Zuckers was 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.960 a social outcast now, and it was clear he hated it. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.560 Question too. If making him a hero was out of 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.520 the question, was there anything that could substitute for it? 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:58.279 Mio thought about that a narcissist like Suckers, he wants 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.440 what he used to have, power and fame. The Butcher 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.120 wanted people to look up to him. Back in Latvia, 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.680 he'd been a winner, He was beloved, and he liked 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.840 that a lot. So Question three, how could MEO get 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.679 the Butcher or pretend to get the Butcher? The power 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.159 that he so clearly wanted. They could always start with money. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.920 Money would buy Zookers new suits, and it would buy 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:24.480 him new glasses to replace the taped up ones he'd 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.320 been wearing at the docks. First came money, then respect, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.080 then power. It was an age old formula, but it worked. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.279 Me was guessing at all this he had no idea 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.240 really what was in the butcher's heart. But as it 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.040 turned out, he'd come very close to the truth. Again, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:47.160 Chris Costa, this is ultimately, this particular case is an 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.560 incredible example of looking every step of the way to 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:58.239 understand what motivates this target so that I can set 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.480 up the ultimate trap. And I think in this case 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.880 he was motivated by wanting to regain something that he lost. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.360 He wanted more financial stability, He wanted to be an 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:14.200 important person again, so he was vulnerable to a great 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:20.120 business opportunity with somebody he trusted. In. Doing my research, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.040 I came across an interview that Sucker's wife had later 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:26.880 given to police. She told them that when Zuker's first 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.440 started getting successful in Brazil, he told his friends he 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.960 was going to quote create a great club and found 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.240 a school of seaplane pilots, unlike anything that had ever 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.119 existed in Brazil. Not only that, he wanted to build 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:45.200 a new airplane engine that would revolutionize the industry. His 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.800 dream had always been to be a pioneer, to shock 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:51.200 the world with his genius in building airplanes. All he 0:07:51.280 --> 0:08:00.320 needed was an investor to help him with money. Meal 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.240 didn't know about any of these dreams, but he'd somehow 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.200 detected what Sukers was looking for. A backer, someone to 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:11.240 believe in him. Who knows, maybe with the help of 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:15.320 Kunzle and his backer's capital, he will finally be able 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.160 to pull himself out of this dismal existence, all of 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.680 his on the verge of poverty, and become rich, a 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.960 respectable member of society, and and read himself of the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:32.200 persecution of the Jews that had been beleaguing him for years. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.880 The American reporter Jack Anderson, who traveled to Brazil in 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.160 nineteen sixty to cover Nazi fugitives, sensed it too. Suckers 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:46.240 wanted to rehabilitate himself, and both Anderson and Mio offered 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.160 him a shot. So interestingly, Zookers turned up the charm 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:53.760 and trotted out a very similar routine for both Meo 0:08:53.920 --> 0:09:00.880 and Jack Anderson. I think that he was afraid, not 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.840 so much of the publicity as he was of the Jews. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.000 I think one of the reasons that he may have 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.600 been willing to talk to me was to present his 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.080 case how he had saved this girl, and how he 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.559 was not a Jew killer, and how he had been misrepresented. So, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.440 sitting on his hotel bed, Neil decided on his approach 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:24.480 he would dangle a chance at redemption in front of 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.520 the butcher, a last shot at riches and fame. That 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:37.280 was the bait. Neo got into his rented v W 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.120 and followed the directions that seekers had given him to 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.080 his house. When he turned the corner onto the final street, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.240 he found he was in a normal, boring suburb lined 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:51.080 with modest homes. Here's how Anderson describes it. It was 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.079 about twenty miles, as I recall, out of dirt road, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.120 out of kind of a remote but very pastoral setting 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:06.040 outside of So Paulo, comparable to a lakeside development where 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.960 wealthy people might have bungalows. Couldn't have been more peaceful 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:19.559 looking place. It was almost a postcard tranquility. And when 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.520 I got there there were three seaplanes. You are enough sitting, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.000 three of them sitting anchored near his house, and two 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.599 big burly guards at his gate. It was easy to 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.840 spot the Sucre's residence. In fact, it stuck out like 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.559 a sore thumb. The house was completely surrounded by a 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.880 high fence topped with barbed wire. The German shepherd that 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.199 year Reeve had warned him about was barking at me 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.559 O through the fence, showing its teeth. The house was 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.319 pretty basic and there was a garden shed in the yard. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:54.520 It confirmed me as guests clearly Sucers was hurting for money. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.319 The butcher emerged from the house spotted me O getting 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.600 out of the VW. His face broke into a wide 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.360 grin and he called out to Meo, saying how glad 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.199 he was to see him. Sucers tied up the German 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:12.439 shepherd and invited his guest inside. Here's how Anderson describes 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:18.280 meeting Suckers. I approached the gate and asked identified myself 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.880 and asked for him, And one of these two big 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.400 burly guards goes up to the door and knocks on 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:30.760 the door, and a guy comes out. He's thirty yards away, 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.080 forty yards away. The waves still need to come on in, 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.240 and so they let me in and I walked in, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.360 and it was kind of chilling because he was wearing 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.760 a leather jacket. Not read all the stuff. He was 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.800 wearing this leather jacket. When he turned around open the door, 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.080 he had a pistol book and out of his back pocket. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:54.679 Kind of chilling. He invited me in and we talked 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:59.120 to Great Lane. As he entered the house, his eyes 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.520 darted around the here he was looking for signs of 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:08.120 the past. During the years nineteen forty one nineteen forty four, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.280 Zukers had a messed a small fortune robbed from his 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:18.080 Jewish victims, but he had to leave most of it 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.000 in Latvia when he escapes the Red Army to the 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.680 vest and the remains of the stolen goods had to 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:28.319 be sold in order to finance the long escape route 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.719 from Riga to South Paolo. Now, as he studied Sucers home, 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.000 Nero realized that the money and the jewels they were 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:39.240 long gone. There were no chandeliers or grand pianos here. 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.640 The rooms were modestly furnished, even a little shabby. It 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.360 was a good sign his instincts have been right. The 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.320 butcher introduced me out to his children and to his wife, Milda, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.120 a thin woman with messy hair. She looked frazzled or 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:59.199 maybe anxious. Sucers brought me over to a wooden chest, 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.079 and he pulling out medals and ribbons and showing them 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.720 to me O. He was clearly proud of them. Most 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:09.400 of them were for daring trips to Africa Japan once 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.000 he'd made in the thirties when he was a world 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.960 famous pilot. He was showing me O that he had 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:21.920 once been somebody. Neo nodded and congratulated Sukers. His eyes 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.240 drifted around the drawer. He spotted a bunch of other medals. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.079 These ones they were different, They had swastikas on it. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.280 Clearly they had nothing to do with aviation. This was 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:38.120 for work Zukers had done during the war. At ze moments, 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.520 I preferred not to think of the activities for which 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:48.000 Chukos had been a wall did these declarations. Here's how 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.199 Jack Anderson describes getting a similar tour from Zuker's and 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:56.559 I at some point asked him a question that required 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.800 him to look up some papers or documents, and the 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:05.280 open the closet. It was by the front door. They 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:09.200 opened the closet, and they're hanging. In that closet was 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:14.280 a row of Nazi uniform and all freshly pressed, complete 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:18.720 with a swastika. He made a big point. I remember 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.200 doing the discussion. He denied the atrocities, which I would 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.720 expected him to, but spoke crudely of Jews, you know, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.000 us him I'm not a Jew killer, saying it contemptuously, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:36.600 as if he wishes he were. And his greatest evidence 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:41.040 of that was that he had helped a Jewish girl escape. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.440 And I talked to people about it and they said, yes, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:47.120 that's correct. He did help, and there was an obvious ploy, 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.680 so that if he ever got caught, he would This 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:54.600 was going to be his great excuse, his great justification 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.880 for not having his own neck wrong. What do you mean, 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.520 I'm a Jew killer? I save this girl? And he 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.760 did save this girl, but he killed many others and 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:10.160 raped many others, but he saved one. I was told 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.360 by the Jews themselves. Yes he didn't save one girl. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:16.400 I mean he did that to create an alibi for himself. 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.120 What came next was even more disturbing. Seekers opened another 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:27.040 drawer and Mio immediately saw guns. There were two pistols. Apperetta, 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.000 a German mauser, and a semi automatic rightful. All the 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.160 evidence that I saw around there checked completely with the 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.440 file that I had, even to the point that it 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.520 made the hair on back of my next stand up. 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.280 It checked completely with him with what was in the 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.840 file in these affidavits, The way he acted his physical appearance, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:51.960 where he dressed the pistol in the back of his pocket, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:57.560 his his arrogant attitudes is brutal. Ways. He wasn't brutal 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.560 to me. Of course, he wasn't brutal, but he conducted 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.760 himself like a man who would be brutal. I would 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.120 have hated to build his prisoner in that place. I'll 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:10.160 tell you that his big brutal look of brutal talking. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.800 So I came away convinced that he was exactly what 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:19.240 the Jews said. He was just struck me as a 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.880 kind of a guy who would have probably enjoyed kicking 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.600 me around secrets. Was having a good time picking up 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.640 each gun and showing it off. He leaned over to 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.360 Mio and told him he knew how to take good 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.600 care of himself. Meo wondered why Zukers was showing him 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:41.200 the weapons he was posing as a developer, and Sucris 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.720 was auditioning for a job. It's not as if you 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.520 need an arsenal to sell real estate. Was the butcher 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:50.360 trying to prove to Meo that he'd once been a soldier? 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:54.680 Or was it a warning? Maybe Sucres suspected that Meo 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.600 really wasn't who he said he was. Neo couldn't figure 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:02.600 it out, not yet, but he felt exposed. The lack 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:07.719 of backup he'd insisted on now seemed foolish. Nia realized 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.240 it wouldn't be easy to eliminate this man. He was 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:16.760 crafty and suspicious. Suckers brought Meo out to the workshed 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.080 showed him some pictures he developed. He'd taken them from 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.600 his plane, and they covered different areas of the city 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:25.479 that might be right for investment. After the scare over 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.000 the guns was a positive sign. Showed that Sukers was 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.560 interested in working on the real estate stuff. He was 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:37.720 hungry and that was a good thing. Afterwards, the family 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.639 sat in the living room. Suckers was talkative, but his 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:43.440 sons and daughters they were kind of awkward. They didn't 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.119 say a lot. Mean got the sense that the family 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.200 didn't get many visitors. Though some resilience had defended Suckers 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.120 when he was accused of being the Butcher, many others 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.119 they had abandoned him. He'd lost friends, the family seemed 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:02.160 starved for company. Anton Kouzla Uh was a lifeline. Neil 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:07.679 could feel how much the Zookers needed a savior. As 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.359 they munched on cake and sip coffee, the kids loosened 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.679 up a bit. They began asking Kunzla about the future. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.680 He assured them that he was planning big things for Brazil. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.040 He and his partners were serious about investing and making 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.960 a lot of money there, and their father he was 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:32.240 part of their big plans. If you're this far into 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.920 the story, we're assuming you're enjoying Hunting the Butcher. If 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.800 you're listening on Apple podcasts, would you be able to 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:40.800 take a minute to give the show a rating and 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.840 a review. Just find the show's page on Apple Podcasts, 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.040 scrolled down to the section called Ratings and Reviews and 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.680 tap one of those purple stars to give it a rating. 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.679 Then tapped a little purple link that says write a 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.400 review and leave a few words about what you think 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.360 of Hunting the Butcher. It really helps get the word 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.840 out and let other listeners know about the podcast. Much appreciated. 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:17.359 Now on with the show. Later, he and Zukers drove around. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.240 They were looking at properties that could become vacation resorts. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.320 Neo feigned interest, but he was thinking about how to 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:26.399 get the butcher out of the country. If Zukers had 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.000 shown him the most beautiful plot of land in Brazil, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:34.679 he wouldn't have cared. He was building trust dependence. Zuker 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.960 says that Kunsla was bored the places he'd shown him 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:40.840 weren't doing the trick, so he came up with an idea. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.520 The two of them should take a trip inland away 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.560 from the coast. He told the secret agent they owned 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.760 two plantations there. Maybe they'd be right for MEO's tourism business. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.760 Neo immediately agreed. It would be like a boy's trip, 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.080 an adventure. They can relax on the way to the plantations, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.560 they could bond. I should point out here that me 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.560 was violating almost every rule of working undercover, especially when 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.919 your target was as dangerous as the Butcher was. And 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:12.959 it doesn't surprise Chris Costa. So in many cases you 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:17.560 are so you're a singleton. You're alone, you don't have 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.560 a backup, you don't have a quick reaction force, you 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.359 don't have the ability to simply call for help. There's 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.520 no switch you can activate that sends a message that 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:33.320 you're at risk. So this is where you have to 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:39.480 constantly assess the risk and the amount of risk you're 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:45.920 willing to accept. Usually, an espionage work, if there's a 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.800 risk your cover will be blown and you'll be exposed. 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:51.960 You try to keep your interactions to public places that 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.240 are easy to escape from, or where a killer might 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.440 feel reluctant to shoot you, because there could be witnesses. 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.560 So you keep your meeting to the safest places you 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.280 can think of, not plantations out in the middle of nowhere. 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.480 Saucers was proposing going into the back country, the two 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.679 of them alone. It was super risky. If Mio had 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.480 passed the idea by his boss, your reeve, you probably 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.359 would have said no. But your read was thousands of 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.239 miles away and Mia was flying solo. He agreed to go. 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:30.080 Meo could see that Sucers was starting to dream about 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:39.919 the future, to get excited. That's what Mio wanted. In 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.920 the morning, Meal's first stop was to a sporting goods store. 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.879 He felt strange about going with Suckers into the jungle unarmed, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.439 so he bought a small knife. He would have preferred 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:53.199 a gun or something more lethal, but he couldn't conceal 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.840 a gun, so he had this thing that was really 0:21:55.880 --> 0:22:00.119 a glorified pen knife. Most massad agents would laugh at 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.440 such a weapon. What are you going to do with that? 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:07.160 But it was the best Meal could think of. When 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.560 Mea arrived at Suker's house, the butcher emerged carrying supplies, 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.240 canned food and other things, and his other hand was 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.840 a long bag. Meio knew what that was and he froze. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.240 It was the rifle he'd seen the day before. Why 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.880 was the butcher bringing a long gun to the jungle, 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:29.680 Neil began to get nervous. There was one other detail 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.639 he worried about. On the drive to the plantations, he 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:36.359 like most Jewish men, was circumcised, but his cover was 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:41.199 an Austrian businessman, and Austrian most likely wouldn't be circumcised. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.280 So how would Mio explain if the two of them 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.200 went to take a leak in jungle and Suckers glanced over? 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.280 He had to prepare for everything. He decided to tell 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:55.720 the butcher that he'd gotten the sexually transmitted disease during 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.840 the war, and that doctors had performed in operation. Soldiers 0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:02.720 were always getting syphilis and things like that. They could 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:06.240 laugh about it, reminisce about the war. Maybe it would work. 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.200 The long trip to the plantations would also give Zukers 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.120 a chance to see if they were being tailed. If 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.680 Mio had people following him, some kind of a backup team, 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.800 they would be exposed on the deserted roads. At least 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:24.560 for now, MEO's decision to come to Brazil solo look smart. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:37.080 It was hot, a typical Brazilian day. Finally they drove 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.760 up to the first plantation. It was disappointing, a small 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:44.159 plot of land, not much to look at. Meo shook 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.800 his head. There was nothing out here. Why would Sukers 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:49.920 think this would be a good spot for an expensive resort. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.439 It had been a waste of time. They got back 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.000 in the car and headed to the second place. This 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.480 one it was much more promising, a huge farm with 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.080 thousands of banana trees, the leaves swaying in the breeze. 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.520 It was pretty impressive. Actually, at least there was room 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.440 for a hotel and maybe a swimming pool. It might 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.560 work as a tourist destination. There was one other thing. 0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:18.320 The place was completely deserted, like not a soul in sight. 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.800 Neo parked the car and got out. Zukers did too. 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:27.280 Then he reached back in and grabbed the rifle. Zukers 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.399 asked me to take a short walk. He pointed to 0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:35.439 a small path leading to an uncultivated area full of 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:41.000 trees and tall bushes and tells me it leads to 0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:47.640 a small river swarming with crocodiles. Meal appeared perfectly calm, 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:53.120 but inside he was tense. Something was very wrong. Clearly 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:56.399 the trip wasn't about real estate ventures or plots of land. 0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:00.760 You could dismiss bringing a rifle along. Leave the plantations 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:03.480 had wild animals. But the butcher wasn't even trying to 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.840 talk up the place as a tourist destination. He was 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.359 up to something else. Suckers had brought him here to 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:14.639 see if Kula really was who said he was. I 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:19.520 knew that Zukers was observing my reactions closely, and hastened 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:23.119 to accept tiso without any hesitation. They walked down the 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:25.960 path and stopped at a small clearing, where Sukers took 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.679 the rifle out of the bag. Suckers asked me, oh 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.359 for shooting match. If he'd really been on the Eastern Front, 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.639 he should know how to shoot along gu Sucers pointing 0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.240 to a tree about fifty yards away. There was a 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.320 metal plate nailed to the trunk that would be the target. 0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:47.080 You're being led in the jungle to shoot with a 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.359 guy that you know has already killed people with his 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:54.760 own hands. Is this yet again? Are you being tricked 0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:59.960 and manipulated by somebody that certainly was vicious and displayed 0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.560 viciousness during World War Two and a propensity to kill 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.160 people All of a sudden, You're alone on some plantation. 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.919 Is this a setup? Are you going to be killed? 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:14.040 I had no doubt in my mind that the shooting 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:19.359 competition was no spoiler of the moment idea. It was 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:23.760 a well planned move by Zukers, intended to put me 0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:28.840 to the test and maybe even beyond it. Mio also 0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.520 realized that if it came to a fight, his little 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.359 pocket knife wasn't going to be much use. Zukers loaded 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:38.320 ten bullets into the rifle and sighted the plate hanging 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.240 on the tree. He let off ten shots, one right 0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.760 after the other. You could tell he knew how to 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.040 handle a gun. He shot fast, with the expertise that 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:52.600 comes from experience, a large part of which had been 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:57.600 the clad by shooting naked and petrofied Jews in the 0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:01.520 head in the Valley of the Dead in Rombula Forest. 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.600 The Rambola forest was the place near Riga where the 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:08.920 Nazis had murdered twenty five thousand Jews in the winter 0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:14.800 of Suker. Shots all hit their target within two inch radius. 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:19.000 He'd done well. He handed the rifle to Mio. I 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:22.520 could see out of the corner of my eye how 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:27.240 he followed my every move, waiting to find out whether 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:31.240 I was an imposta. I had to reach military best. 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:35.680 From the minute I had taken this mission upon myself, 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:42.840 Anton kuns had become an inseparable part of me. Meo 0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:46.040