1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound on 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: the White House yesterday finally said they will and these 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: public health emergencies. The problem is the President said he's 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: gonna wait until May. The Supreme Court's order gives Republicans 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: in Congress plenty of time. But what we shouldn't do 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: is fuel continued chaos and confusion. Bloomberg Sound on Politics, 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Policy and Perspective from DC's top names. The White House 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: has already given him a win on this by saying 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: they refused to negotiate. For God's sake, what are we doing? 10 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: This is the United States of America. We know better. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: We're so much greater than that. Now we're going to 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: prove Bloomberg Sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: The White House prepares to end the COVID emergency, forcing 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: big changes on our southern border. So what's the plan. 15 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, as we explore 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: the legal implications of this move, with help for Ellen 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: Gilmer of Bloomberg Government and David Beer, the head of 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Immigration Studies at the Cato Institute, the political implications with 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: our panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzano 20 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: here for the hour. President Biden will deliver his first 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 1: official State of the Union address one week from tonight. 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: We talked about crafting the message with Democratic strategist Jim Messina, 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: and as Boeing rolls out the last seven forty seven 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: off the line today, new questions about how US talks 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: with China could unlock New Business. Will discuss it with 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Guy Johnson, who's in Seattle with the CEO. There 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: are more questions than answers surrounding the White House's plan 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: that we told you about when it broke yesterday to 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: end COVID emergency declarations on May eleven. The story you 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: first heard about here, especially when it comes to border policy, 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: because it will also mean the end of Title forty two. Right. 32 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: That was the whole justification was the COVID emergency. Title 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: forty two of the health policy that clamped down on 34 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: border entry, has expanded expulsion power at the border, and 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: a policy that's been tied up in the courts. Of course, 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: Republicans in the House, though are not waiting around there, 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: set to vote this week on ending the very same 38 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: health emergency. The White House says it's ending. The debate 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: is already underway now, House Majority Leader Steve Scale suggesting 40 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: that they forced the White House's hand on this one, 41 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: and so as we put it out there, clearly it 42 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: CAUs caused some dilemmas amongst Democrats who were putting pressure 43 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: on the White House. And finally, because as the Whip 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: pointed out, we announced this last week, the White House 45 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: yesterday finally said they will and these public health emergencies. 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 1: The problem is the president city's gonna wait until May. 47 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: They wanted to happen now, not to suggest this legislation 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: will even reach the President's desk, but it is still 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: unclear either way what happens to Title forty two if 50 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the COVID emergency declarations go away, because the administration's efforts 51 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: to end it have been blocked by two different courts, 52 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: including the Supreme Court. So is it just as simple 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: as rescinding this on the executive will even on the 54 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: legislative level. That's why we wanted to talk with a 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: couple of experts, beginning with Bloomberg Government's Homeland security reporter 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Ellen Gilmour, who has been deep in this. Ellen, I 57 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: really appreciate your being here. Is there a clear answer 58 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: to any of this or is the White House about 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: to find out? I wouldn't say there's a clear answer, 60 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: but what I will say is, you know, the White 61 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: House has Title forty two will end when the public 62 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: health emergency ends. That's because when Title forty two was invoked, 63 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: the CDC has issued a series of orders invoking that 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: public health authority to set restrictions at the border, and 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: in the most recent of those orders, it explicitly says 66 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: Title forty two will stay in place until the public 67 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: health emergency ends, or until the CDC Director decides it's 68 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: no longer necessary. So Republican A G s have already 69 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: blocked the CDC director's decision previously that said it wasn't 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: any longer necessary. But that other trigger of when the 71 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: public health emergencies end, that remains in effect um. So 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: presumably that's what's going to happen. We'll see what happens 73 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: in court, so that yes, we will. Yes. The question 74 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: is without without a public health declaration, is there any 75 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: grounds left for Title forty two? How could you uphold 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: that policy if there is no COVID emergency. Well, so 77 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Republicans are right when they say that Title forty two 78 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: stems from a different statutory authority than the public health emergencies, 79 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: So it's not impossible to have Title forty two without 80 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: a public health emergency. But that is the way it's 81 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: structured now, So that is the trigger that exists the 82 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: way it's currently that's really important then. So how will 83 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: that matter in the eyes of the court. Oh, for sure, 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: it will be a big issue that they debate. Um. 85 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: I think it will be probably difficult for Republican ages 86 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: to try to argue that this trigger doesn't exist. But 87 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: at the same time, we've seen them be very successful 88 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: in a lot of creative legal arguments, so I wouldn't 89 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: count them out. Oh boy. And just to be clear, Ellen, 90 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: if the legislation that's being debated now by House Republicans 91 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: somehow did pass become law, that would be an immediate 92 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: rescinding of the emergency declarations. There wouldn't be a further 93 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: outdate tied to it. That's my understanding. Uh, And we'll 94 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: get to see how that plays out like the day 95 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: they signed it, I presume. Great. Thank you so much, 96 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: Ellen Gilmour, huge help from Bloomberg government, and as you 97 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: would expect, is we want to add to another voice 98 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: here to this, because it's gonna happen, whether it's on 99 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Steve Skaliza's timetable, President Biden's, or I don't know. The 100 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: Title forty two is going to go away at some 101 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: point here, and we wanted to talk with David Beer, 102 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Associate Director of Immigration Studies at the Cato Institute, about that. David, 103 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: I'm brought back to September when this was first going 104 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: to happen. Of course, it's been strung out by by 105 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: some court rulings. Here when Secretary of Minarchus, the Homeland 106 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Security Secretary, was asked about what's going to happen in 107 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: the wake of this policy as the administration ready, here 108 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: was his answer. We started our planning last September, and 109 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: we are leading the execution of a whole of government 110 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: strategy which stands on six pillars to prepare for and 111 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: manage the rise in non citizen encounters. Secretary Marcus in September, David, 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: are you concerned about what will be left in the 113 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: wake of Title forty two? Is this administration prepared for 114 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: that day? Look, they're much more prepared than they were. 115 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Right They've already instituted this month a policy that says 116 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: that at least for four of the major nationalities that 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: are crossing the US Mexico border, they have the ability 118 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: now to apply in their home countries to migrate legally 119 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: to the United States under a discretionary authority known as parole. 120 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: And after this policy was introduced, it has reduced the 121 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: number of illegal crossings by about for those four countries. 122 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: So they have a strategy now in place to reduce 123 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: migration at the border, and they just need to build 124 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: on that success and ultimately that will prove to be 125 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: the most effective migration policy that they can institute. Okay, 126 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: And and do they need money or manpower or is 127 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: it the same thing to expand on that. Well, they 128 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of manpower and they have a lot 129 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: of money. It's just right now, it's going to a 130 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: lot of you know, management at the border and um 131 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 1: you know, passing people between agencies and uh sending people 132 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: back to Mexico. If they can use that money instead 133 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: to process people at legal ports of entry, allow people 134 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: to purchase plane tickets, make sure that people are migrating 135 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: in a lawful and orderly manner, that's gonna be a 136 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: much better use of resources, and it's going to cost 137 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: the US government far less than what it's expending right 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: now to detain people and try to force them back 139 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: to Mexico or to their home countries. How about these 140 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: tens of thousands who are supposedly standing across the border 141 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: waiting for this headline on Title forty two to be lifted. 142 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: Does that require a surge of border patrol? And you 143 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: know that this is a temporary situation to work through 144 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: this number that's grown since covid Or. Is this the 145 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: new reality? Look the the administration. That is a sort 146 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: of a separate situation from people who are in their 147 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: home country thinking about coming to the US border. But 148 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: the administration has rolled out a new platform that allows 149 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: people to register for appointments at ports of entry along 150 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: the US Mexico border to request asylum. And this platform 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: can work, and people are waiting there. You know, they're 152 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: not going to search the border if they have one 153 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: of these appointments right now. The problem is because of 154 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: Title forty two, they've effectively capped the number of appointments. 155 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: They can't just end Title forty two by you know, 156 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: this other maneuver. So if Title forty two goes away. 157 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: They can allow people to apply at these sports of entry, 158 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: schedule appointments and really moderate the flow and make sure 159 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: that they have the resources necessary to process people in 160 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: a legal and orderly manner. Sure, and that's we're talking about, uh, 161 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: legal requests for asylum. How about enforcing areas of the 162 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: border where they're seeing illegal entry. This is obviously something 163 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: that was not being stopped by Title forty two. But 164 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: we keep hearing that more resources are needed to help. Well, 165 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: you hear that a lot, but really the reality is 166 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: the Title forty two has made the problem much worse 167 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: because when someone is trying to sneak into the country, 168 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: they're not trying to speak asylum. The best thing that 169 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: they can get out of being arrested is just being 170 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: put on the other side of the border with no consequence, 171 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: which is what Title forty two does. They're just putting 172 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: people back in the position to try again and again 173 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and again. And we're seeing recidivism rate at f for 174 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: Mexicans and Central Americans, who are the people subject to 175 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: this Title forty two policy, And so really they need 176 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: to adopt a new strategy and go back to what 177 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: they were doing under the immigration laws of the United States, 178 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: which impose stricter consequences for people who violate the law, 179 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: while at the same time opening up legal asylum opportunities 180 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: for people who want to follow the law. Sounds like 181 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: you left Title forty two tomorrow if it were up 182 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: to you. It's pretty much yeah, almost immediately. You need 183 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: to have processes in place, but they've actually created those now, 184 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: so there's no reason to wait any longer. David, thanks 185 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: for joining us. He's the Associate director of Immigration Studies 186 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: at the Cato Institute. David Beer with a Bloomberg sound 187 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: on as we assemble our panel. This is not a 188 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: new topic for Rick Davis, I can tell you, and 189 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: we've certainly discussed it with Jennie Schanza, you know, they 190 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: make our signature panel and curious to hear your thoughts. 191 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: Uh Rick, Now that we've had a chance to digest 192 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: this idea, it looks like it will happen. Nobody can 193 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: really necessarily predict a path for the courts to block 194 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: this again, and whether it's in a couple of weeks 195 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: or a couple of months, Title forty two will be lifted. 196 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: Has this extra time allowed the administration to better prepare. Sure. 197 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: Now I think that David just you know, gave the 198 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: best to some you know, a summary of what is 199 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: now currently on the books, right, I mean before Title 200 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: forty two was the wall, right, I mean you know, uh, 201 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: illegal immigration has come across, they put them right back over. 202 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: They come across again, they put them right back over. 203 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean it just basically served as a wal It 204 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: didn't do anything to process those individuals. It didn't divide 205 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: them into those seeking you know, asylum versus those seeking 206 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: to have an economic migration and um and and and 207 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: so there was just this constant, as he said, recidivism 208 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: to you know, keep trying to test the system. Now 209 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: you know there is a process in place. It won't 210 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: be perfect, it won't include everybody. Not everybody's gonna you know, 211 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: get an appointment and process themselves the way they want 212 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: to be. But it will, you know, it will effectively 213 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: change some of the congestion at the border. Uh. It's 214 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: it's none of it is a comprehensive plan, right, None 215 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: of it is really meant to wholesale change the way 216 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: we deal with border immigration, which still needs to happen. 217 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: But it does render Title forty two less important. I 218 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: am amused that the Republicans in the House are so 219 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: anxious to take credit for killing off the the COVID emergency. 220 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: But what they're really saying out of one side of 221 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: the mouth is, oh, we never, we can't ever let 222 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: go of Title forty two. We're all we're getting rid 223 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: of Title forty So the talking points here are very strange. 224 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad you pointed this out, Genie. It's incredible. You know, 225 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: nobody wants to like finish the sentence on either side 226 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: of this argument. It seems like, uh, you know, the 227 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: White House would like everybody, it seems like to keep 228 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: wearing a mask and get vaccinated and be careful out there, 229 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: do what you can to get back to work. Uh. 230 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: Entitle forty two, Well, we're going to get rid of 231 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: that now. Republicans, on the other hand, are being forced 232 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: to say here that Title forty two needs to be lifted. 233 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: Right without a COVID emergency, why would you have it? Yeah, 234 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: that's right, And you know, I think this really took 235 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: the wind out of the sales of the Republicans on 236 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: this vote. You know, Rick is absolutely right because what 237 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: the Biden administration is doing now is accusing Republicans of 238 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: violating their own party support for Title forty two, and 239 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: also what they have done here is no longer is 240 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: this vote about how much power does the president have 241 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: during a sweeping emergency or the executive branch more broadly, 242 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: or the administration visa vi uh COVID. Now it's just 243 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: about timing, And of course on the timing question, you've 244 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: got o MB and many people saying it should be 245 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: a phased approach. And that's what you know, David is 246 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: talking about. Give them time. They have time here to 247 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: plan to deal with immigration. If Republicans persist, they not 248 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: only take away Title forty two, which they claim they support, 249 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: but what they also do is they increase the number 250 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: of people coming to the borders and they make the 251 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: problem that much harder. So you know, in no way 252 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: does this vote now make a lot of sense for them. 253 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: But it seems like they're going to go forward. They 254 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: are going to go forward. It's not going anywhere right. 255 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: This is another messaging bill here, Rick, But they are 256 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: taking credit for forcing the White House on this. I 257 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: was talking to a couple of people off the record 258 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: about it. The suggestion was the White House time had 259 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: its own timing in mind. But does this feel like 260 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: a coincidence to you? Uh? It does I feel like 261 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: a coincidence to me? A planned coincidence? Um Um. You know, 262 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: I think at some point in time the administration was 263 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: going to do this, but I got the impression they 264 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: walked out on a May announcement early in order to 265 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: take advantage of the Republican activity. Genie, I'm assuming that 266 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's got to say something about this and be 267 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: very convincing in his choice of words next week at 268 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: the State of the Union. How does he win back 269 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: confidence on the issue of immigration. Well, I think he 270 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: points to what David was talking about, a nine decrease 271 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: in crossings in the four or from those four countries 272 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: in which they have started this parole problem. Those are 273 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: big numbers. If they can replicate that, if they can 274 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: build on that success, that shows that they are without 275 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: the help of Republicans and Congress, is what Joe Biden 276 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: will say, or Congress as a whole. It's not just Republicans. 277 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: They have been able to make strides against all odds. 278 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: So I think he's going to point to that, and 279 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: I think he's going to say to Congress please do 280 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: your job, give us sound comprehensive immigration reform, which of 281 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: course Congress has no shot of doing this year. But 282 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: he'll say it anyway. The room will stand up. Rick, 283 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: how does how does he convince Americans that he's serious 284 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: about this because Democrats obviously have not scored well on 285 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: this issue in many regards, particularly when it comes to 286 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: security at the border. Well, I think it's exactly what 287 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: you just referred to, Joe. I think he's got to 288 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: take it to the American public. I mean, Congress is 289 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: only going to act if they think it's popular and 290 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: and and No present in the last you know, two 291 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: or three terms has invested in educating the public around 292 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: how to solve these problems, how to create options, how 293 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: to improve our economy by having a guest worker program. 294 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: None of these things have been really done, and so 295 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: he needs to launch a campaign. The problem is he's 296 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: doing that in the middle of an election cycle, and 297 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: so you know, it's probably not the best week. From tonight, 298 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: Rick and Jeanie have more ahead. This is Bloomberg. You're 299 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg who sound on with Joe Matthew on 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. An end of an Era today in Everett, Washington, 301 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: as Boeing rolled the last commercial seven forty seven off 302 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: the line. Can you get over that? The Queen of 303 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: the Skies as they call it, in production for fifty 304 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: four years, the image of innovation and luxury when the 305 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: newsreels first ran in nineteen six, The mostest of Everything 306 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: describes the new giant of commercial aviation, the mostest of everything. Look, 307 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: a lot of time has passed, of course, you know, 308 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: air travel doesn't have quite the panash that it had then. 309 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: But fast forward to the last jet rolls off the 310 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: line today, at least commercial one. They still owe another 311 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: or two to the president. You will get to that 312 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: in a moment. The Air Force one contract guy Johnson. 313 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Of course, So Bloomberg News anchor was out there in 314 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: Everett for the occasion today, talked to Dave Calhoun. Fascinating 315 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: conversation the CEO of Boeing on this landmarked you know, leadership, 316 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: particularly during that age in our country. Uh, that was 317 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: built around big visions, big visions. We're gonna build the 318 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: biggest airplane that's gonna have four engines. We're gonna wine 319 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: and dine on it. We're gonna change everything about aviation, 320 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: and we're gonna make those seats more affordable than they've 321 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 1: ever been so that we have more more people in 322 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: the world connecting. So let's a I just believe it's 323 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: a tribute to that moment, and then it's attributed to engineering, engineering, 324 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: and engineering, and then reopening, reopening and reopening the story 325 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: now with an eye on China. Guy was smart to 326 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: ask about the the upcoming trip that Secretary State Anthony B. 327 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: Lincoln has to Beijing and whether that could unlock not 328 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: only new business but get the planes that were already 329 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: ordered in the sky. I believe one of the reasons 330 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: that we've sort of stalled there for the last three 331 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: or four years is because yes, the MAX, but because 332 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: of COVID and the lockdown. So now all of a 333 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: sudden it's coming back fast. They need airplanes first and foremost, 334 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: we've got to get the airplanes they already owned back 335 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: in the air. We call that return to service, and 336 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: then this second step is returned to delivery. But there 337 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: are planes that are on our tarmac waiting to be 338 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: delivered to China. So then we try to move down 339 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: that path and then hopefully, hopefully we get a robust 340 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: order pipeline in China as well. Now that's a big hopefully, 341 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: of course, but it's a big deal and it reminds 342 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: us that when we talk about the affairs of the 343 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: State Department here, you know, it's not always just national security, 344 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: although there is an element of that year and White 345 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: House politics, there's a lot of business that is done 346 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: when relations are working between nations. We assembled our panel 347 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: once again, Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzana. We're gonna try 348 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: to connect the guy Johnson who's on the West Coast 349 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: and spent some time today. Well, of course did that 350 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: interview with Dave Calhoun at Boeing and Rick, you know 351 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: a bit about this as somebody who has straddled the 352 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: worlds of politics and business. How important is this trip 353 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: for Secretary Anthony B. Lincoln on on not just a 354 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: broader economic angle, but knowing the chip war that we're 355 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: and right now, for instance, and trying to preserve businesses 356 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: like this one is an awfully delicate balance. Yeah, I'm 357 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: very tough balanced because they obviously have a huge agenda 358 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: that not only includes um, those issues you describe, but 359 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, talking to China about the Russia situation in 360 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: the Ukraine, UH, nuclear weapons control and we have no luck. 361 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: We have no uh kinds of agreements in place with 362 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: China over nuclear weapons, humanitarian issues, UH, slave labor, I 363 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: mean the gambit. And the most complex relationship in the 364 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: entire world today is with US and China. And at 365 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: the same time, China is a major market for our 366 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: products and and and and the airline's Boeing is maybe 367 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: one of the biggest examples of how tough it's been 368 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: without that market lately, you know, throughout the COVID period. 369 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: How does the White House balance that the human rights issues, 370 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: the national security issues genie without shutting down on the 371 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: relationship to the point where Boeing can't get back in 372 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: the air in China. Well, I think they're taking an 373 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: important first step. I mean, Anthony B. Lincoln will be 374 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: the first top US diplomat to visit Beijing since two 375 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen, and I think that speaks of volumes. 376 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody expects that they're going to resolve 377 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 1: anything on this trip, but he has said numerous times 378 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: how important it is because the relationship has deteriorated so 379 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: fast and so badly over the last several years. I mean, 380 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: just yesterday we were talking about General Minihan saying that 381 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: we could be at war with China and three. So 382 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: it's really important and Blincoln has said this over and 383 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: over again, to re establish relationships and to keep the 384 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: conversations going, and that's what Biden and g have tried 385 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: to do. He's going to try to do it. And 386 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: certainly part of that is, of course, businesses like Boeing 387 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: they need to sell the seven thirty seven in China. 388 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: They want to do that. That's going to be a 389 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: big market for them, and it should be, and that's 390 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: going to be part and person of this conversation. But 391 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: of course high on the list is going to be 392 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: there's what we're seeing over their visa v Russia and Ukraine, 393 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: which has been very, very troubling. It takes two sides here. 394 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: Of course, you know China needs airplanes wreck. I know 395 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to create their own industry there again, and 396 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 1: that's been a recurring story. But does that not temper 397 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: Beijing's reactions to, for instance, a visit to Taiwan from 398 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: a new speaker McCarthy. They need to do business with someone. Yeah, 399 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: you hit the nail on the head shoe. I mean, 400 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: they need planes. They can't produce enough to satisfy their 401 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: stratospheric demand for air travel even domestically. Nevertheless, you know 402 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: what they're doing overseas right now, and and so they're 403 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: kind of they're kind of in a box. There aren't 404 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: that many competitors who can put together on a long 405 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: haul uh flight option for them. H And they're constrained 406 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: by their own production capabilities and technology, and so Boeing 407 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: is competitive in in this field with them, and and 408 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: and that's without any real push from the State Department. 409 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: So having the State Department at least understand the need 410 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: of corporate America as it relates to China is a 411 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: very important one. But then there's another topic, which is 412 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: how much flight capacity do we want to give to China. 413 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: Are they really going to be so competitive that that 414 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: strategically works against us in the short run. Well, I mean, look, 415 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: if you go back to our conversation to your point, 416 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: Junie yesterday about a looming war in the eyes of 417 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: at least one Air Force general in are we gonna 418 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,199 Speaker 1: find ourselves with with an administration that's blocking the sale 419 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: of items like aircraft much like they are now computer 420 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: chip equipment making, where do they draw that line? That's right? 421 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: And and the news yesterday about Wawei on top of that, 422 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: I mean, it just keeps coming. And this is the 423 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: very difficult balance and the very difficult dance that the 424 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: administration has to try to make and do with China. 425 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: And it has been a struggle not just for the 426 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: Biden administration, but for the Trump administration as well. I 427 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: remember distinctly when the Biden administration was coming in, one 428 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: of the things we kept asking was how will they 429 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: differentiate themselves on China from some people's perspective. They haven't 430 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: differentiated themselves quite enough from other people's perspective. They have 431 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: at least tried to re establish more of a sense 432 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: of conversation and relationship, which is what b Lincoln is 433 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: doing there. But it is very tough. I mean, you 434 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: know Pelosi's trip, you just mentioned McCarthy talking about a 435 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: trip coming up. These are all things with just exaggerate 436 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: the conflict. And let's not forget Joe Biden himself has 437 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: made what could be described as, you know, verbal stumbles 438 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: if you will, on Taiwan. I think that's the best 439 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: way to put it. And the administration repeatedly have to 440 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: walk them back. I'm not so sure they were miss 441 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: steps at all on his part. I think he really 442 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: believes that. And so this is where this is what b. 443 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: Lincoln is walking into. And you've got a whole host 444 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: of US businesses like Boeing who need to do business 445 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: over there. Keep all this in mind when you listen 446 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: to the President next week at the State of the 447 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: Union and the words he chooses when he mentions competition, 448 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: not conflict with China. This is all in the backdrop here, 449 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: by the way, uh, fascinating conversation. As the seven four 450 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: seven goes away, the guy Johnson was asking Dave Calhoun, 451 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: and apparently guy is somewhere at very high altitude right 452 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: now he can't connect the call. What's going to replace? 453 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: What's next here? And what's going to replace the seven 454 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: three seven. They're already working on it with NASA. Boeing 455 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: is developing with NASA this new narrow body jet that 456 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna fly on at some point with a trust 457 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,679 Speaker 1: based wing. Right imagine the wing across the top of 458 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: the jet with struts holding it up there. It allows 459 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: them to put these massive engines underneath to take you 460 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: further and arguably cheaper. Calhoun talked about it today. So 461 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: now we have to prove that it can be commercialized, 462 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: and so yes, we brought a couple of airplanes. We're 463 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: gonna set it up and by twenty eight we hope 464 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: to prove to ourselves that this kind of technology can 465 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: come to the marketplace. This is how you get two 466 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: big objectives like the four seven set for its Okay, 467 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: that's the airplane, the trust wing demonstrator they're working on 468 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: right now, the new narrow body jet that will supposedly 469 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: change the industry. Rick, don't you want to fly on 470 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: that thing? Yeah? I certainly wanted to fly a little 471 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: bit before I get on board. I mean, it's a 472 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: really amazing looking diagram, a testing story. Yeah, but you know, 473 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: look it's it's the air of sustainable Aircraft, right. I mean, 474 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: this thing had, you know, can save thirty of the 475 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: fuel that we currently do for the same regions. So um, 476 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think that's a really good development. And 477 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm so impressive they're they're doing this project with NASA. 478 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: NASA's back, baby. I mean we're going to the Moon, 479 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: we're going to Mars, and now we got a transonic, trust, 480 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: braced airplane all for this. This is the best and autonomy, Genie, 481 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about autonomy. I'm not sure how 482 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: I feel about a self driving car. We'll see how 483 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: you feel about a self flying plane, because they're working 484 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: on all this stuff. Yeah, I'm with Rick. Can it 485 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: be safe? And then I'll do it and we'll let 486 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: them test it for Let him test it. Don't just 487 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: throw me up there, Joe Matthew, I'd like it to 488 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: test it, but I am excited. And it is good 489 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: for the environment as well. There's an environmental climate angle 490 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: to this which is important. And I love guys, guys 491 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 1: interview and the incredible reference. I just love it's where 492 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: it's such a worth listening to. We'll let you know 493 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: when he's back down to Earth. Rick and Jennie stand by. 494 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to Jim Massin ahead about the State 495 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: of the Union. You're listening to Bloomberg you sound on 496 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloombird Radio. President Biden has exactly 497 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: one week to prepare for the State of the Union, addrast, 498 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: and he has been out there working on it. Right. 499 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: We heard again today on the visit to New York 500 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: West Side rail Yard. We repaid a visit to the 501 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: Gateway Tunnel project, or at least part of it. This 502 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: is the massive rail initiative being funded by the infrastructural 503 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: law that the President says will help improve travel between 504 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: New York and New Jersey. It's the busiest quarter in 505 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: the United States of America and one of the busiest 506 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: in the world. And the problem a problem anywhere along 507 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: the line means the lays up and down the East 508 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: Coast for folks trying to get to work, businesses trying 509 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: to ship goods, travelers trying to get to see their families. 510 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: And by the way, as a U. S Senator, I 511 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: commuted for thirty six years every single solitary day the 512 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: Senate was in session. I traveled over a million, one 513 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: thousand miles on AMTRAC. And I can tell you're all 514 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: to the lays, work, abtract Joe in the flesh. You 515 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: may even hear that very line a week from tonight, 516 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: and as the administration craft the message for next week, 517 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: we get a behind the scenes view and some thoughts 518 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: on what we might hear from Jim Messina, the CEO 519 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: of the Messina Group, and former deputy chief of staff 520 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: of President Obama. He was campaign manager for President Obama's 521 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: re election. Jim, it's great to have you back here. 522 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: Obviously a major and important moment for President Biden. You 523 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: used to watch your boss go through draft after draft 524 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: leading up to the speech. Does this thing finally get 525 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: baked over the weekend or when would we see or 526 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: expect to see a final version? No, it doesn't get baked, sadly. 527 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: I mean there's famous stories about rewriting the thing in 528 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: the limo on the way to the Capitol. Obama was 529 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 1: a little bit better than that. But you know, this 530 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: thing will be the most sliced and diced thing you've 531 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: ever seen, Joe uh and won't really get baked until 532 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: the very last hours. And that goes for this president 533 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: as well. I get a sense that this is a 534 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: staff that would like to see him have a little 535 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: rehearsal time. I don't know your thoughts on That is 536 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: very true, and it's you know, Biden is good in 537 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: that way. He's going to take a bunch of time 538 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: to work on this. That's why I think this road 539 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: show they're doing this week, going to a bunch of 540 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: different places is good. It gets his head in the game. 541 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: It's really important to do as we get ready because 542 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, the state of Union Joe is one of 543 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: the only times where average voters pay attention and look 544 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: at least the coverage, if not the speech, and what's 545 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: this guy doing to make my life better? And it's 546 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: one of those moments that White houses just can't screw up. 547 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: How do you start drilling down? And I'm sure there's 548 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: a work group on this, but you must start with 549 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: a hundred issues. Uh what is the right number for 550 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: a speech that doesn't drone on for too long, that 551 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: actually captures people's attention. People's attention? Is there a limit 552 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: to what he can say? Well, the most important thing 553 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: is to have a theory of the case, like what 554 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: are you trying to do? And at the end, and 555 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: this is what I always said to Obama end Biden? 556 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: Is it the end? What is it that you want 557 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: to get the average American to understand about what you're 558 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: trying to do? And that ought to be the goal, 559 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: and then you ought to think about everything else from 560 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: there to your point. You know, there's like six months 561 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: of lobbying from everyone in Washington and both parties trying 562 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: to get stuck in the State of the Union because 563 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: I was in the State of the Union kind of 564 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: has to happen, or at least has a better chance 565 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: to happen. And so the lobbying is ridiculous. And one 566 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: of my jobs in the White House was to kill 567 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: stuff and make the speech shorter because I didn't want 568 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: to log speech. God bless you. I mean that would 569 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 1: wouldn't that just be a mic drop for a president 570 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: to come out there, do say twenty minutes and be 571 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: done with it. It would be the most memorable State 572 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: of the Union in modern history. Oh dude, Both parties 573 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: will give him a standing over and everyone would run 574 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: to the TV cameras and the bars. We could do this. 575 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: I feel like we could do this. Uh so okay, 576 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: so you start drilling down and you've got the message 577 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: when you look at this president now and you know, 578 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, well, is this going to be more about, Hey, 579 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: you guys aren't going to believe what I got done 580 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: in my first two years Versus here's what we have 581 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: coming in the year ahead with this new Republican majority 582 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: in the House. Both The answer is both um one. 583 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: You know, as they get ready for the reelect, And 584 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: as you said, I ran Obama's re elect average voters 585 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: don't know a tent of the things he got done, 586 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: and so they're going to use this as a way 587 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 1: to remind people. And you see that in the road show. 588 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: You showed the clip earlier. We'll played the clip earlier 589 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: about the New York campus structure stuff. He's really proud 590 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: of that. They're going to push that all the time. 591 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: But then the second thing they're gonna do is try 592 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: to set up the oncoming debt limit fight and set 593 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: up their side of it and draw some lines, not 594 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: in the sand, but at least on a paper to 595 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: say we're not going to go any further. And so 596 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: those are going to be the two goals. Who makes 597 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: the decision on guests as the East wing allow the 598 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: West wing to manage that, who sits in the first 599 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: lady's box, And obviously it's got to coincide with the 600 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: messages the President sending from the speaker's rostroom. Oh boy, 601 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: that's a very negotiated thing. And I went back and 602 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: study the history. Usually it's the West wing that decides 603 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: most of it, with the exception if you're always going 604 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: to give the first lady one spot or two spots 605 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: for her signature items. Except for Joe Biden, it'll probably 606 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: be her education and if she's working hard on. For 607 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Michelle Obama, it was the let's get kids moving thing. 608 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: For Mrs Trump, it was her education stuff. So you 609 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: know they're gonna do a little bit of that, but 610 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: most of it is jerks like me calling the East 611 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: Wings saying, here's the people that are gonna sit with 612 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: the perflator and they love taking your call, Jim. Next week, 613 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: once we get our hands on the speech or see 614 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: and hear it, You're always welcome here. Jim Assina, CEO 615 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: of Messina Group with us on Bloomberg Sound on to 616 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: the panel as we anticipate coverage, and both Rick and 617 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: Jennie will be with us a week from tonight as 618 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: we hear the first official and see first official State 619 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: of the Union address from Joe Biden. Jennie, it's a 620 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: big job here and he's testing it out in real time. 621 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: That was the latest speech today in New York. How's 622 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: he doing? You know, I think he is doing okay. 623 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: We're starting to see sort of the outlines of the 624 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: State of the Union, but also importantly campaign, and this 625 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: idea of America reborn seems to be where we are 626 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: headed with Joe Biden on the campaign trail. If he 627 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: does announce as we expect he will, and you know 628 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: he is doing I think what you'd expect a president 629 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: going into their third and fourth year to do, which 630 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: is to say, here is what I have done. You know, 631 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: I had a lot in which I wanted to do. 632 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: We accomplished more than anybody thought legislatively, and now I'm 633 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: going to tout that, Oh, and the other people are 634 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: crazy and extremists. I mean, that's really what we're going 635 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: to hear an awful lot about. I think over the 636 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: this not in the speech necessarily, but over the campaign 637 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, the optics are going 638 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: to be real different, if only for Kevin McCarthy, uh, 639 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: sitting behind him there, Rick, How does that adjust the 640 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: president's posture? Oh, I think that it's a little less 641 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: comfortable having someone you know right behind your left shoulder. 642 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, that is the opposition, uh, you know in Congress. 643 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's it's much better when it was Pelosi, 644 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: who was kind of like your cheerleader sitting back there. 645 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: Go do it, get it? You got it, um. But 646 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's going to be 647 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: singular focused on the one thing that that Jim Massina 648 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: pointed out, and that is he's having a conversation with 649 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: the American people. It is critically important that he's able 650 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: to convey to the American people what is it that 651 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: he wants his second half of his first term to 652 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: look like, and has he made a case if he 653 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: wants to run for president for his next term, And 654 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: that's going to be the only audience he cares about. 655 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: He will not care about the people in the room, 656 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's the military, or the judges or 657 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,479 Speaker 1: the members of Congress. He's gonna be caring about having 658 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: a conversation with the American people. He cares about who's 659 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: in the living room. And of course, the Super Bowl 660 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: of Politics will have special coverage right here on Bloomberg. 661 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: David Weston will be with us in Washington, Rick and 662 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: Jennie will be here. We'll be live from the house, 663 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: bringing you an important address as you would expect. George 664 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: Santos next, this is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You 665 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio Bloomberg Sound On. 666 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: He has brought to you by Innovation Refunds. This is 667 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: your daily remind or from Innovation Refunds. 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The Lots of 676 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: questions about this why Kevin McCarthy would allow Santos to 677 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: be seated but not Swallowell for instance, or shift at 678 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: least Stefonic let the cat out of the bag. At 679 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: a Republican Leadership news briefing this morning, we just got 680 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: out of conference and George has voluntarily removed himself from 681 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: committees as he goes through this process. But ultimately voters decide, 682 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: and I'm very proud that in New York State we 683 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: flipped five districts to help deliver us the majority. Uh, 684 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: and ultimately voters make this decision about who they elected Congress. 685 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: So a lot of questions about why. Again, we know 686 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: that George Santos met with Speaker McCarthy about this, but 687 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: says that he made the decision on his own. I 688 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: will remind you of the report recently the Justice Department 689 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: asked that the Federal Election Commission not pursue enforcement action 690 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: against him as it continues a criminal investigation. But you 691 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: know what happens next for George Santos. Reporters, hallway elevator. 692 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: Here we go. Yes, I have nothing to hide about 693 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: your pass. Questions will be answered to the appropriate people. 694 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: The media is not judge and jury of anything. Sorry, 695 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 1: into the elevator, Thank you, goodbye. That's more than we've 696 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: heard him say I think in any particular, uh single instance. Yet, 697 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Gene Schanzano were here. Was this some 698 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: sort of a deal, uh, an internal deal so they 699 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: could pull off the swallowell shift expulsions from committees? Genie, 700 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I'm going to believe George 701 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: Santos voluntary Yeah. Right. It's like when they say either 702 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: resign or we will fire you. This is more what 703 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: this is sounding like, and it's hard to believe him, 704 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: but you know, I think the reality is I mean 705 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: the latest newsday Siena College Pole, seventy one percent of 706 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 1: voters in his district or in New York say that 707 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 1: he shouldn't have been assigned. Seventy eight said they need 708 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: him to resign. This has been an enormous distraction for 709 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: the for the Republicans in that leadership. I mean, what 710 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,720 Speaker 1: other sort of freshman has this number of reporters following 711 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: them around? And of course the State of the Union 712 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: can't wait to see him there because the camera will 713 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: be focused on him. So this is a problem for Republicans. 714 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: They need to tell him to voluntarily in quotes, resign 715 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: so he could stop messing up their leadership in the 716 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: first few weeks of Is that what happened here? Rick? 717 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: Did Kevin McCarthy say, look, you're killing me. You know, 718 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: if you could do this on your own and be 719 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: a lot easier for me to take care of everything 720 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: else in the next two years. Oh, I'm sure that 721 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: if those messages were given to him, they were done 722 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: at a much lower level than the speaker. Uh, it 723 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,799 Speaker 1: doesn't take a rocket scientist figure out that having him 724 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: around in general is a bad thing. So get him 725 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: off of those committees, especially the Science Committee. I mean 726 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: that is a joke, but the reality is uh that that. 727 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: I get that seventy percent of these people want him 728 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: recalled and out of that district, But who are the 729 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: thirty percent who thinking as a I mean, I wish 730 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: we could do a town hall with those guys. I'd 731 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: love to meet him. You know, I'm just guessing those 732 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: must be the dunkin Donuts fans Rick. I don't know 733 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: what else to say. Well, he does do dunkin Donuts. Well, 734 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 1: if it were Rick's office, they'd be crispy. We've already 735 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: been through this, Uh, Jeannie, how long until we hear 736 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: about these investigations and what is really going on in 737 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: his future? I think if we're waiting for House ethics, 738 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: that's going to take a very long time. We'd probably 739 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: have it. Yeah, the FEC is probably gonna be faster. 740 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna take a while. I think Republicans 741 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: would really just like him to like sort of sit 742 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: on the back quietly and then run somebody else in 743 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: the in two years. Gen d Chanzano and Rick Davis 744 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: make up our signature panel here on the fastest hour 745 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: in politics. Many things to you both, as always, and 746 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 1: we'll be back with a lot more to talk about tomorrow. Here. 747 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 1: We do this every day live from Washington. I'm Joe Matthew. 748 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: Great to spend time with you. If you showed up late, 749 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 1: subscribe to the podcast. This is Bloomberg