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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I

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Speaker 1: am your host Movie Mike. Today, I want to share

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Speaker 1: I came up with a list of my own of

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Speaker 1: terrible business decisions that either lost studios a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Rolling Stone recently put together a list of the fifty

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Speaker 1: worst decisions in movie history. A lot of these are

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Speaker 1: just business decisions, so we're not going to get into

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Speaker 1: actual plot points of movies. These are decisions that either

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Speaker 1: when making these movies. I'm not going to go through

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Speaker 1: all fifty. I picked the ones that I thought were

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Speaker 1: this off right now. On their list at number forty

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Speaker 1: nine was Will Smith turns Down the Matrix and Django Unchained.

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Speaker 1: The worst part was he passed on the Matrix in

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Speaker 1: order to make Wild Wild West, which, of course, in

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Speaker 1: hindsight everything is twenty twenty. Will Smith has spoken a

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Speaker 1: lot about why he's turned down the Matrix, and at

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Speaker 1: worse decision than him turning down Jangle Unchained. Because of

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Speaker 1: good at number forty six on their list, they have

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Speaker 1: out comedic actors of the nineties, making an incredible, a

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Speaker 1: Ace Venta, And they completely fumbled the marketing on The

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Speaker 1: Cable Guy, which is actually a good movie, but in

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Speaker 1: We rented The Cable Guy, and we rented Child's Play,

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Speaker 1: and then we rented a VHS of episodes of ThunderCats,

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Speaker 1: and that was a great Friday night in movie history

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Speaker 1: for me. But the movie is actually pretty good and

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it now. I love the dynamic between Jim

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Speaker 1: Carrey and Matthew Broderick. But it was marketed as a

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Speaker 1: interesting story, but it wasn't what audiences were promised. We

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Speaker 1: were promised Jim Carrey, and we got a much different

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Speaker 1: side of Jim Carrey. And a lot of people said

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Speaker 1: this movie almost killed his career for that reason, and

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Speaker 1: it's all because of the marketing. But I think when

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Speaker 1: you look at the history of Jim Carrey's movies, he

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Speaker 1: always wanted to do darker roles. We just weren't ready

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Speaker 1: Later in the nineties with movies like Man on the

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Speaker 1: Moon and The Truman Show, we finally got it, and

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Speaker 1: by the time we got to Eternal Sunshine of a

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Speaker 1: Spotless Mind, we were like, oh, yes, Jim Carrey also

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Speaker 1: makes comedies and he also makes really great dramatic movies.

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Speaker 1: So just the fact that the marketing almost killed Jim

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Speaker 1: Carrey's career was a terrible decision. So that is my list,

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Speaker 1: combined with the list from Rolling Stone. We'll come back,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my review of Dumb Money, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll get into the trailer park, where we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: how ripped zach Efron is. In the trailer for the Ironcloth,

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Speaker 1: gonna get into a spoiler free movie review, joined now

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Speaker 1: by my co host and wife Kelsey. How are you.

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Speaker 4: I'm great and holding the emotional support stage.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah. If you're watching on YouTube, you can check

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Mike Adistro. All right, let's get into

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Speaker 1: the movie Dumb Money, which after watching this movie, it

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Speaker 1: made me realize how little I know about Wall Street.

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Speaker 1: I know nothing about it aside from what I've learned movies,

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Speaker 1: whether it be The Wolf of Wall Street, the Big Short,

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Speaker 1: or the other movie just watched on Netflix, fair Play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a wild side of wall Street.

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Speaker 1: And now we have Dumb which just came out in

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Speaker 1: theaters and it was one that kind of slipped through

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Speaker 1: the cracks of September. We just went to go see

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Speaker 1: it and it's essentially the true story of the game

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Speaker 1: stop short Squeeze, which was another term I had no

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Speaker 1: idea until we watched this movie, but essentially what happened.

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Speaker 1: You have this one guy played by Paul Dano or

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Speaker 1: Dano I think is how you say his name. One

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Speaker 1: of my favorite actors actually, but he plays a character

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Speaker 1: named Roaring Kitty, who is a real life person, has

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Speaker 1: a normal job, but he's also a recreational YouTuber who

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Speaker 1: was a part of the subreddit called Wall Street bets.

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Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with Reddit and the way it works, essentially,

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Speaker 1: it's one site and there are all these other message

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Speaker 1: boards inside the site on very specific niche top ryn.

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Speaker 4: You could find a Reddit page just about anything.

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Speaker 1: You could find it about Wall Street, you could find

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Speaker 1: it about Pokemon, you could find it about gardening, anything

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Speaker 1: you're into. There is an entire community inside of Reddit somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Any of those you've been visiting.

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Speaker 1: The Pokemon, just the Pokemon, a little bit of gardening,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of gardener. But Wall Street, you would

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Speaker 1: have people go on there and just post about things

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Speaker 1: they were investing on. When it comes to the Robinhood app,

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Speaker 1: which is another thing I learned a lot about. I've

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Speaker 1: seen other people use it, but it just I don't

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Speaker 1: know when it comes to investing in things, I realize

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Speaker 1: I know so little about it that it would feel

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Speaker 1: like a waste of money to me.

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Speaker 5: Another thing we should add is that roring Kitty, the

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Speaker 5: guy is like day to day job is a trader,

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Speaker 5: so he has knowledge of the stock market. He's like

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Speaker 5: a day to day retail trader.

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Speaker 1: And he's a very smart guy, so spend a lot

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Speaker 1: of his time outside of his job just learning about it. Again,

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Speaker 1: since this is a movie based on a real story,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil things that happen and use

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Speaker 1: the trope of oh, it happened in real life, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like when you watch a movie based on

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Speaker 1: a true story, you don't know the full story going

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Speaker 1: into it, and you learn a lot about it. So

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Speaker 1: I don't want to reveal every single entire plot point

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Speaker 1: of this movie, even though yes, if you google it

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Speaker 1: you can figure it out, because I think the enjoyment

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Speaker 1: of this movie is learning as you go. And I

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Speaker 1: also judge movies based on true stories a little bit

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Speaker 1: differently because sometimes just because you know it's a real story,

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Speaker 1: it changes the way you feel about a movie because

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Speaker 1: you know all this actually happened in real life. Therefore

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Speaker 1: I find it more interesting. I watched this movie with

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Speaker 1: the idea that I wanted to be entertaining on its own.

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Speaker 1: If this story was fake and didn't really happen, would

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Speaker 1: it still be entertaining or is it only entertaining because

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Speaker 1: it actually happened. I think in the case of Dull Money,

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Speaker 1: it is just an entertaining movie.

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Speaker 4: It really is.

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Speaker 1: The story itself and all the characters that all had

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Speaker 1: something to do with this entire situation is an entertaining

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Speaker 1: story that even if this entire thing was completely made

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Speaker 1: up just for the sake of this film, it would

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Speaker 1: be enjoyable.

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Speaker 4: But it's even more wild that it's not me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so wild. So essentially, what Rooring Kitty does

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Speaker 1: is he just goes on a live stream one day

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Speaker 1: on YouTube and just talks about how he thinks the

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Speaker 1: game stop stock is interesting and then undervalued. And then

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Speaker 1: it shows his spreadsheets of his portfolio, which is the

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Speaker 1: most polarizing about his character and shows that he himself

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Speaker 1: has invested fifty thousand dollars of his own money into

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Speaker 1: gamestock tire savings account, which at the time that this

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Speaker 1: movie takes place. At the beginning of the movie is

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, when everything's shut down, and GameStop was seen

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Speaker 1: as a failing company because people weren't really going inside

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Speaker 1: a store in buying games. So his character goes on

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Speaker 1: this live stream, talks about it, and then gets other

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Speaker 1: people interested in the game Stop stock who also put

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Speaker 1: their own money into it. But at this same time,

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Speaker 1: there are all these people on Wall Street who are

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Speaker 1: betting against the success of game Stop, which would make

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Speaker 1: them earn a lot of money when GameStop goes under.

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Speaker 1: So GameStop would go under and they would make millions

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Speaker 1: upon billions of dollars as a result of that.

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Speaker 4: Took a real jump there, millions upon billions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of forgot how much it was because

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Speaker 1: all the dudes in this movie are worth billions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: so they were going to make a lot of money

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Speaker 1: off of it. And then once all these people start

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Speaker 1: getting on robin Hood and buying the game Stop stop,

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Speaker 1: the rich people's plan turns on them, because again I

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Speaker 1: know nothing about this.

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Speaker 4: This demand is driving the price of the stock.

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Speaker 1: So now the people who are seen as quote unquote

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Speaker 1: dumb money, who were just the people on robin Hood,

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Speaker 1: are now set to make a lot of money off

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Speaker 1: game stop and all their small investments turned into big investments,

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Speaker 1: And the rest of the movie is all of the

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Speaker 1: downfall and all of the crazy things that happened as

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Speaker 1: a result of this thing, going from just one little

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Speaker 1: operation of a dude in his basement doing a video

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Speaker 1: on YouTube to this entire thing where the government gets

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Speaker 1: involved and it turns pretty nuts.

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Speaker 5: And it's also not just about his character. It's like

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Speaker 5: the other people that he has convinced. There's a single

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Speaker 5: mom who's a nurse. They're super era college students, which

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Speaker 5: I don't talk about this for a second.

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Speaker 4: They went to ut Austin.

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Speaker 5: That was not filmed on the campus of the University

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Speaker 5: of Texas at Austin one bit.

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Speaker 1: And how would you know that because I went.

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Speaker 5: There exactly and I worked there, and I was on

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Speaker 5: that campus for seven years of my life. And I

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Speaker 5: would pay good money to say that was probably filmed

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Speaker 5: in like New England. At one point, they're riding around

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Speaker 5: and like the leaves are turning on campus and like

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Speaker 5: no part of campus looks like that. They're dorm rooms,

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Speaker 5: no part of campus looks like that. The classroom.

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Speaker 4: So anyways, that is my bone to pick with the money.

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Speaker 1: They do that a lot to save money on not

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Speaker 1: filming in certain locations because it's expensive.

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Speaker 4: To film there, but like at least make it longing.

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Speaker 1: But aside from that, I feel like this movie had

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Speaker 1: such a great cast with Paul Dano, even Pete Davidson,

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Speaker 1: who plays himself in essentially every single role that he

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Speaker 1: is in. Okay, just just in and that's all Pete

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Speaker 1: Davidson does, but in this when I felt like it

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Speaker 1: really fit in because he plays Paul Daniel's brother. And

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Speaker 1: then you have, like we mentioned earlier, America Ferrera.

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Speaker 5: You have Shalane Woodley, who is great in this I

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Speaker 5: loved her in this role.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like I think like this is the kind of

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Speaker 1: role she should take on more of, just like a

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Speaker 1: normal person found her very likable in this role, as

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Speaker 1: did I. And then you also have Seth Rogan who

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Speaker 1: plays one of the rich guys you don't like in

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Speaker 1: this movie.

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Speaker 5: Even have Nick Offerman, yeah, who Ron Swanson.

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Speaker 1: And the interesting thing about all these characters and the

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Speaker 1: fact that this movie takes place in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, is they are all in separate locations

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Speaker 1: because we were all separated during that time in the

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Speaker 1: real world. So I felt like the dynamic of this

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Speaker 1: movie was pretty interesting that a lot and most of

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Speaker 1: the main characters are never on screen together. Despite that

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Speaker 1: being the fact of them not having like face to

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Speaker 1: face interactions, I felt like the chemistry between all the

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Speaker 1: characters was actually really good and all of the dynamics

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Speaker 1: of it going from one location to another location really

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Speaker 1: worked throughout the entire movie. Later down the line, when

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Speaker 1: we look back on this movie, I feel like it

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Speaker 1: will be a good representation of what life was like

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. But I think

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Speaker 1: the main message of this movie is kind of gets

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Speaker 1: you angry Abount Wall Street of how some of their

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Speaker 1: practices are so shady and really how much power really

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Speaker 1: rich people have and I don't even say rich people,

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Speaker 1: but really wealthy people who have a stupid amount of money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is one of their net worths was like

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Speaker 5: twelve billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Like an insane amount of money, And how those people

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Speaker 1: get bailed out in situations and people at the bottom,

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Speaker 1: like you and I, we don't get bailouts. We don't

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Speaker 1: have people like oh, if you mess up, we'll get

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Speaker 1: you out of this situation. So it kind of got

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Speaker 1: me fired up in a way and angry at the system.

652
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Speaker 1: And I really feel like this movie kind of sparked

653
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Speaker 1: something in me that I didn't really expect. And also

654
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: the fact that I feel like Shanleen Woodley and Paul

655
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: Dano's character kind of resembled us in a way. I

656
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: saw a lot of our relationship and their relationship in

657
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Speaker 1: this movie. Did you see that?

658
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Speaker 4: Yeah? I was like, would I trust you to invest fifty.

659
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 5: Thousand dollars in games some stock because if you lose that?

660
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 5: They were like, that's our entire savings. But she believe him.

661
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 5: But he also he had his crap together.

662
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Speaker 1: And I think just his character even when he goes

663
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: down to the basement in like films of video, it

664
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Speaker 1: reminded me of when I sit down to do this

665
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: podcast here, I get the webcam ready and I essentially

666
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: become a movie my character, even though really it's how

667
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: I am in real life. But there were other elements

668
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: of his character, like he enjoyed running and he liked

669
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: getting a really fast mile time. I identified with that

670
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: part of his character that was you. And he's also

671
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: super into Reddit, which I was more into Reddit when

672
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: I was younger. Now, I don't really get on there

673
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: anymore because it's a pretty sad and depressing place for

674
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: the first part. The movie also shows that as well

675
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Speaker 1: of how crazy the comments are over on Reddit. I

676
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to like this movie as much as I

677
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 1: did because I thought it was going to be more

678
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: a straight on comedy, which given their marketing, given the trailer,

679
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: also just given the cast, I thought that's what they

680
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: were going for. But this movie had a lot more

681
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: emotional depth than I was expecting. It had heart, So

682
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Speaker 1: since it's already nearing it's the theatrical run, I wouldn't

683
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Speaker 1: even say if we had seen it back when it

684
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Speaker 1: came out initially that it was one you had to

685
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Speaker 1: see in theaters. But once this movie goes to streaming,

686
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Speaker 1: whether it be you have to rent it or have

687
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Speaker 1: to stream it on a service, I highly recommend checking

688
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Speaker 1: out Dumb Money. What do you think?

689
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Speaker 4: I completely agree?

690
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Speaker 1: What would you rate it?

691
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 4: I'm going to give it a four point twenty five.

692
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Speaker 4: I'm deducting that point seventy five due to the bias

693
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Speaker 4: of it just did not look like ut Austin. It's

694
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Speaker 4: my deduction.

695
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: I would give it a strong four out of five

696
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: video game cartridges. Those are our thoughts on dumb money.

697
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Speaker 5: And next week I'll be back to talk about the

698
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Speaker 5: book of Killers of the Flower Moon.

699
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, review the movie.

700
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: I did my homework for all of you as the

701
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 5: resident book nerd of this podcast.

702
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: How long did it take you to read the book

703
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: in actuality?

704
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 4: A couple of days.

705
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 5: I started it like a month ago, though, and then

706
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 5: got distracted by another book, so I put it down.

707
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Speaker 5: But then once I picked it back up, it's a

708
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: slow start, and then it's divided into three parts. Once

709
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 5: you get halfway through part one, you can't put it down.

710
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: So the movie is three and a half hours long.

711
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Speaker 1: You're gonna have a pretty big investment in this story

712
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: at the end of it.

713
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 5: So long, Yeah, you get invested. But me and my

714
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Speaker 5: book light, we're just reading away this week.

715
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Speaker 1: So look forward to our Killers of the Flower Moon

716
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Speaker 1: review next week. It's time to head down to movie.

717
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Speaker 2: Mike Traylor Paul.

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Speaker 1: As a kid, I was a huge wrestling fan back

719
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: when it was the WWF before it turned into the WWE.

720
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: I would watch it every single Monday and Thursday night.

721
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: I would say for me, because I grew up around it.

722
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: That was the best time for wrestling in the nineties,

723
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: the Attitude era, the Rock Triple Age, Undertaker, all of

724
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: those classic wrestlers to me, So I have a soft

725
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: spot for this movie coming out from A twenty four

726
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: called The Iron Claw, which is about the Von Eirik Brothers,

727
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: who I am pretty unfamiliar with, and I am someone

728
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: who spent a lot of time understanding the history of wrestling,

729
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: but now I'm excited to learn a lot about their story,

730
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: which people say is an interesting story, but a very

731
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: sad story. So in this movie, The Iron Claw, coming

732
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: out on December twenty second, you have Zach Effron and

733
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: Jeremy Allen White, who play the pro wrestling brothers, the

734
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: Von Eric Brothers, coming to us from A twenty four,

735
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite movie studios, And quite honestly,

736
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: this is a much different type of film that I

737
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: expect from them. They don't really do a whole lot

738
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: of biopics, don't really do a whole lot of movies

739
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: based on actual people, so I'm very excited to see

740
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: the treatment they give this story. But before I get

741
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: into more of my thoughts about The Iron Claw, here's

742
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: just a little bit of the trailer.

743
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 6: Ever since I was a child, people said my family

744
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 6: was cursed. Now I'm tried to protect us with God,

745
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 6: tried to protect us with wrestling. He said, if we

746
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 6: were the toughest, the strongest, nothing had ever heard us.

747
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: I believed him. We all did.

748
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 4: What Now we all don't.

749
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: He's my favorite than keV, then David, than Mike, but

750
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: the rankings can always change. There's so many one of the.

751
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 6: I don't want to be with my family, You'll be

752
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 6: with my brothers.

753
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: What do you like to do with your brothers? So

754
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: Zach Efron plays Kevin Vaughan Eric, the oldest son from

755
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: this generation of the family, have Jeremy Allen y aka

756
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Karmei on the bear playing his brother. There are four

757
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: brothers in total, with their dad and their mom, and

758
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 1: just by watching this trailer, it gives me a little

759
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: bit of a glimpse into the dark story of their family.

760
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: Just hearing their dad rank his favorite kids, that tells

761
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: you a lot about his character. And I do enjoy

762
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: movies where you discover why people are the way they are,

763
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to people who go on to

764
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: do great things like the von Eric brothers and be

765
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic families in all of wrestling.

766
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: You realize that a lot of that probably comes from pain,

767
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: and there is no greater pain than having a strenuous

768
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: relationship with your father. So I think this movie is

769
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: highly going to dive into that, and I love both

770
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: of the actors together in the lead roles. Zach Effron,

771
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: I feel, gets pigeonholed into these roles that we kind

772
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: of expect him in, and maybe that's his own fault

773
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: because of the roles he takes where he always just

774
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: gets ripped up and takes his shirt off. He did

775
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: in Baywatch, but I feel it's way more warranted in

776
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: this one, and it looks like he got into incredible

777
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: shape for this movie. And then you have Jeremy Allen White,

778
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: who you would know as Carme You from The Bear,

779
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: who has become one of my favorite new actors because

780
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: of the work he does in that show. But I'm

781
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: really excited to see that translate onto the big screen

782
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: in him getting more lead roles in films. He also

783
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: looks pretty shreded himself, and from what I've seen from

784
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: his character and his work on The Bear, he is

785
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: really good at being part of a dysfunctional family. What

786
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see is how this movie will take

787
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: on the hardships of wrestling, because whenever you talk to

788
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: somebody about wrestling, they always have the same critique, how

789
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 1: can you watch that stuff? It's fake? And yes, maybe

790
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: in most cases, or really in every case, the results

791
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: of the matches are predetermined, especially when it comes to

792
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: the WWE. The big part of it is all the drama.

793
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: It's like a soap opera with fighting in the middle

794
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: of it. But what is not fake about wrestling is

795
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: the tolls it takes on these wrestlers' lives, the tolls

796
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: it takes on their body, their mental health, and being

797
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: on the road for as many days out of the

798
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: year as they are is not an easy feat. So

799
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how harder it was back in

800
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: the sixties when this story takes place. So again, I'm

801
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: not too familiar with the story of the Eric brothers

802
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: and the von Eeric family, but I'm really excited to

803
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: learn about it and kind of preparing myself mentally of

804
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: what everybody is saying about the hardships they have gone through.

805
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: In the trailer, we see that it's gonna deal with death,

806
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: and it's also gonna deal with their dad pushing them

807
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,479
Speaker 1: a little bit too hard. I don't know if one

808
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: is going to lead to the other, but I'm already

809
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: getting my tissues and my sweat towel ready for the

810
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: action in this movie. Again, The Iron Claw is coming

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Speaker 1: out on December twenty second, twenty twenty three. If I

812
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: had to rate my excitement level for this movie, let's see,

813
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: I am at a four out of five. I think

814
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: I would be out of five if I was more

815
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: familiar with their story. But I'm going into this one

816
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: as a wrestling fan wanting to see a really raw

817
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: and honest depiction of what it's really like. I think

818
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: also because it is an a twenty four film and

819
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: you have two really great leads in this movie, I

820
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: feel like this movie is gonna be a choke slam

821
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Speaker 1: and I will see you all in the ring in December.

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Speaker 4: At That was this week's edition of Movie Line Tramer.

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Speaker 1: Bar and That's gonna do it for another episode here

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Speaker 1: of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give

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Speaker 1: my listeners shout out of the week and upget you

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Speaker 1: on the winner of last week's contest, where Kelsey challenged

827
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Speaker 1: me to put my money where my mouth is and

828
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Speaker 1: give away a rental of Bottoms because I came on

829
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: here and said it is one of the best comedies

830
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Speaker 1: of the last five years and more people need to

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00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: see this movie. So I challenge everybody who listened to

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00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: last week's episode to go and comment on my latest

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Speaker 1: reel with the popcorn emoji, I took all the usernames

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Speaker 1: of everybody who entered, threw it in a random online picker,

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Speaker 1: and let the random picker choose the winner. And the

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Speaker 1: winner of the contest and this week's listener shout out

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Speaker 1: of the Week is Crystal Cook. I got her all

838
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: hooked up so she can have a movie night and

839
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: watch Bottoms, and I'll have to get her review as well.

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Speaker 1: So thank you Crystal for entering, and congrats for being

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Speaker 1: the winner. And this week's listener shout out of the week.

842
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody else who entered in that contest.

843
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do another one down the road when I

844
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: find another really great movie that I think everybody needs

845
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: to see. So thank you for being subscribed, thank you

846
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: for listening every single week, and until next time, go

847
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: out and watch good movies and I will talk to

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Speaker 1: you later,