1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg daybak up for this Friday, the nineteenth 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: of May in London. Coming up today. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Within touching distance, Congressional leaders signal that they're close to 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: a deal on the debt. 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: Ceiling, chipping in the UK on veils its long trailed 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: semiconductor strategy. 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 2: The woman on top at Man Group, hedgemnt giants new 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: CEO speaks exclusively to Bloomberg. 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: London's growth rate outpacs, the UK revolutes, banking license hangs 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 3: in the balance, and brainstorms prove to be a waste 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: of time. Those other stories we're looking at in today's papers, 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 3: and I'm Leanne Gerren's. 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: Plus the banking crisis bonus, no one wanted regulators put 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: remunerations back in their crossheers. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 4: That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. The business 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 4: news you need to start your day in just one 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 4: fifteen minute podcast on Apple, Spotify, the Bloomberg Business app 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: and everywhere you get your podcasts. 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Good morning, I'm Caroline Hike and I'm Lizzie Burden. 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 2: Here are the stories we're following today. How Speaker Kevin 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: McCarthy and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer are planning votes 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: in the coming days on a bipartisan debt sealing deal. 23 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: McCarthy says negotiators may reach an agreement in principle as 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: soon as this weekend. Speaking to us here on Bloomberg, 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: Senator Kirsten Cinema says she's increasingly confident that a deal 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: will be done. 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: Well. 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 5: The good news is that we've now got the right 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 5: people in the room to have the conversation and come 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 5: to an agreement, and I am beginning to feel more 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 5: and more confident each day that such an agreement will occur. 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 5: We've got some really good news here. One is that 33 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 5: Kevin McCarthy has said over and over he doesn't want 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: to have a default. His folks are in the room 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 5: negotiating to prevent a default and solve this challenge. 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: Cinama's growing optimism comes as traders worn of a surge 37 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: in borrowing costs and blow to equities in the event 38 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: of any default. 39 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Now is a skip the new pool? Dallas Fed Chief 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: Lourie Logan says that the case for a pause in 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: June is not yet clear. Speaking at a Texas Bankers 42 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: Association conference, Logan suggested that the Fed could skip the 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: rate hike issue at next month's meeting and revisit it 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: in July. Her comments contrast, though, with those of FED 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: Governor Philip Jefferson, who's been outlining the Duvish case for patients. 46 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 6: History shows that monetary policy works with long and variable legs, 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 6: and that a year is not long enough period for 48 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 6: demand to feel the full effects of higher industryes. 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: Jefferson spoke at an event hosted by the National Association 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: of Insurance Commissioners in Washington. The FED Governor's assessment comes 51 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: as the US economy remains surprisingly resilient in the face 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: of massive rate hikes over the past year. 53 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: The UK is committing one billion pounds to bolstering its 54 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: domestic chip industry over the next decade. BI MUKEDW and 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 2: Pops reports on the long rated plan for the domestic 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: semiconduct sector. 57 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 7: The chip plan will focus on the UK's areas of 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 7: strength like research and design, rather than attempting to go 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 7: head to head with governments throwing far more money at 60 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 7: the industry. The US and EU have between them, pledged 61 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 7: to spend more than ninety billion dollars to spur chip 62 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 7: manufacturing in their regions. That's after global supply disruptions and 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 7: a demand spike brought on by the pandemic fire the 64 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 7: starting gun on a race for inventories. It also highlighted 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 7: the need to make more semiconductors in the West. The 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 7: UK also says it will increase its cooperation with close 67 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 7: partners to develop supply chain resilience in London, imune pots 68 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 7: of Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: Now, the battle for talent is hotter than ever, and 70 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: hedge funds can no longer assume that the cream of 71 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: the crop will want to work for them. That is 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the view of Robin Grew, the newly appointed CEO of 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: Man Group, the world's largest publicly listed hedge fund. In 74 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: her first interview since that announcement, Grew told Bloomberg's Masters 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: in Business podcast with Barry Rittolts that times have changed. 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 8: So we suddenly found ourselves believing that actually we are great. 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 8: Therefore great people will come right and actually not so 78 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 8: much that those new generations have many more choices on 79 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 8: how to deploy that expertise. And actually they look at 80 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 8: us and they say, why would I come and work 81 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 8: for an organization where you don't look like me, you 82 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 8: don't feel like me. You don't understand me, and you'll 83 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 8: make me do stuff I don't want to do. And 84 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 8: by the way, I've watched billions. 85 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: So we will be bringing you more of our exclusive 86 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: interview with Robin Grew, the new CEO of Man Group, 87 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes time. 88 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: And one of the UK's best known bankers says the 89 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: case for investing in Britain is only getting worse. Terra 90 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: Firma Capital founder Guy Hans told b Merg's In the 91 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: City podcast that doing business in Britain is vastly more difficult. 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,679 Speaker 9: I look at the UK and see that two thousand 93 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 9: and thirty Poland will be wealthier than we are. Yeah, 94 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 9: that's sort of predicted, and I think what happened twenty 95 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 9: fourteen will probably be the poor man in Europe if 96 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 9: we go in the way we're going at the moment, 97 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 9: all you can really see is is Britain just becoming 98 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 9: poorer and poorer on a relative basis to the rest 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 9: of Europe. 100 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 2: Guy Hands added that if anything, bureaucracy has increased after 101 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: Brexit rather than decreased. You can catch the full exclusive 102 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: interview on Bloomberg's In the City podcast. 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: And the Top Us bank regulators are vowing to act 104 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: quickly on long delayed rules to clamp down on executive 105 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: pay and bonuses. The move comes after former executives that 106 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: failed lenders Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank, and First Republic 107 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: Bank faced criticism from US lawmakers over their generous compensation. 108 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: The rules were mandated back in twenty ten the Dodd 109 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: Frank Act to discourage executives on taking risks that led 110 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: to the two thousand and eight meltdown. So those were 111 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: a few of our top stories this morning. Look on 112 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: the debt ceiling issue, could that crisis be a And 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: then Lizzie, would you potentially get a rally? I was 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: talking about the increase in equity markets. President Joe Biden 115 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: expected back early from the G seven, possibly for talks 116 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday. McCarthy, the California Congressman, has been talking quite 117 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: positively about the five negotiators from the two sides and 118 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: how they're meeting two to three times a day and 119 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: that there's a structure for talks, but not everyone. Basically 120 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: is that that positive? 121 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 4: Really? No? 122 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: But you have got Republicans and Democrats saying that a 123 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: deal is close and the dollar closed at the highest 124 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: since March. Yesterday, the S and P five hundred was 125 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 2: at a nine month high, So market's smelling the positivity. 126 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: Caroline maybe, but also they might be smelling the fumes 127 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: that the US Treasury is running on right the cash 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: balance has fallen to sixty eight point three billion dollars, 129 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: so this is the money that the Treasury sort of 130 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: has on hand to pay bills, to pay its debts. 131 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: That's the lowest level since twenty twenty one. But more importantly, 132 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: there's a fifty billion dollar coupon that's due on Monday, 133 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: so you know, you really could be getting down to 134 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: the bottom of the bowel. Yeah, so that's why there's 135 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: so much kind of tension around this issue. But be 136 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: fascinating if there actually is a vote in time next week. 137 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's one of the issues that we're watching 138 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: out for. But also we've got this amazing interview with 139 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: the newly appointed boss of Man Group. 140 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: Indeed, Robin Grew, the newly appointed chief executive of the 141 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: world's largest publicly listed hedge fund, has a guiding mantra 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: to help sustain the firm's industry defying growth. If it 143 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: ain't broke, don't fix it. In her first interview since 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: her promotion was announced, she spoke exclusively to Bloomberg's Radio 145 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: Masters in Business with Barry Rittolts. Barry started by asking 146 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: her what she wants to do with the one hundred 147 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: and forty five billion dollar business. 148 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 8: And it's a great question, it's also an early question, 149 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 8: let's be clear, so I'm going to perhaps not give 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 8: you the satisfactory answer you want. Nevertheless, you'd expect me 151 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 8: to do exactly what I'm just about to do. The 152 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 8: firm is brilliant. I mean, it has a cracking core 153 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 8: business and my number one job, apart from anything, is 154 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 8: not to break that because that is value and it's real, 155 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 8: and it will continue to grow. We will continue to 156 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 8: see the value of technology, and we have thirty five years, 157 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 8: forty years of quant and data and tech behind us, 158 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 8: and we will continue to invest in that space. We 159 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 8: will continue to look for opportunities in an M and 160 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 8: A format. We've made it very clear to the market. 161 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 8: Can't guess what they're going to be. Couldn't tell you 162 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 8: if I did, no, But I can't guess what that's 163 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 8: going to be. What I will tell you is it 164 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 8: will be additive, and it will be additive for our clients. Ultimately, 165 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 8: this is about having deeper and better client offerings. It's 166 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 8: that piece about the solutions that we talked about earlier. 167 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 8: How do I ensure that I've got each of the 168 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 8: components that can provide a better offering for our institutional 169 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 8: clients and we'll grow that us massively important to us 170 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 8: deep capital market. You'll absolutely see us putting effort and 171 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 8: time into building our presence here too. 172 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 10: So let's talk a little bit about your approach to leadership. 173 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 10: You've managed to distinguish yourself in a very competitive field. 174 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 10: Tell us how. 175 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 8: Here's the answer. Everyone, It's not true, I tell you 176 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 8: in perhaps this is a way of thinking about it. 177 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 8: What I have done, perhaps is the better way of 178 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 8: saying who I and how I distinguish myself. What I've 179 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 8: done is taken every single opportunity that has come my way. 180 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 10: And I so no master plan. This just you just 181 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 10: stumbled blindly from one gig to the next. 182 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 8: I mean, that's the perfect way of summing it up. 183 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 8: The way of summing it up is this, if you'd 184 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 8: have asked me twenty five years ago, do you think 185 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 8: you'll be the CEO of an investment management company. I laughed, right, 186 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 8: I would have done. I didn't have a grand master plan. 187 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 8: What I did have was a somewhat insatiable desire to 188 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 8: learn and have some fun doing so that. I loved 189 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 8: being a fixer. I loved being put on planes or 190 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 8: being sent into areas to solve things. I have innately 191 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 8: hired people around me and built teams of highly credible 192 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 8: quality people who I have empowered and who I have 193 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 8: loved to partner in achieving whatever it was that we 194 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 8: needed to achieve, better, faster, smarter than before. And that 195 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 8: empowerment piece is huge. The ability to not have to 196 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 8: be fact in a different way. If I am the 197 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 8: smartest person in. 198 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 10: The room, you've done something wrong. 199 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 8: I worry. I mean, that's not okay. So on that 200 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 8: basis leadership style, hire brilliant people, Put great minds around you, 201 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 8: Put people around you who are willing to disagree with you, 202 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 8: or better still, stop you careering off a cliff if 203 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 8: you're heading in the wrong direction way. I can't tell 204 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 8: you how many times that that is just as important 205 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 8: of the sort of the rugby tackle to your knees bit. 206 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 8: If you've suddenly got yourself into a frame of this 207 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 8: is where we're going. And I have enormously benefited from 208 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 8: that style of management, which is inclusive. It's about delegation, 209 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 8: and it's about empowering people to sometimes be really horrible. 210 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 10: To diversity and inclusion. How do you think about that 211 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 10: as a manager, and then how do you think about 212 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,479 Speaker 10: that as an investor? 213 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 8: I think this piece about I'm not really interested in 214 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 8: the person who is different on the outside but actually 215 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 8: went through all the same educational processes in the same training. 216 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 8: The premise that only the best people will come from 217 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 8: certain demographics, your tribe, Your tribe, right is, when you 218 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 8: say it out loud, a nonsense. So how we get 219 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 8: people into our organizations that feel, look and have difference, 220 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 8: and how we ensure that we give them the space 221 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 8: to be that different in our organizations. That's the criticality 222 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 8: to it, that bit of yeah, yeah, it's okay, we'll 223 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 8: have you, and then please can you be like us? 224 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 8: You've got to know how to create an organization which 225 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 8: actually gives people the space to be different, because that's 226 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 8: what you're getting them for. It's a bit like an acquisition, 227 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 8: where you understand the commercial reality of it. You buy 228 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 8: something because of its commercial differentiation, and then you bring 229 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 8: it in and you're trying to sqush it into something 230 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 8: that that degrades that commercial benefit. It's the same with people. 231 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 8: You've got to bring people in, you've got to let 232 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 8: them fly, and you've got to be comfortable, perhaps being 233 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 8: a little bit more uncomfortable than you work before. 234 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 10: All the academic studies say, if you want to avoid 235 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 10: group think, if you want better decisions, the more diverse 236 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 10: the group, the more likely you are to reach a 237 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 10: better decision. So even that discomfort, there's some academic research 238 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 10: that supports it right. 239 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 8: Absolutely, Over and over again. You see the academic research. 240 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 8: And yet I think there's an arrogance that we've had 241 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 8: in our industry a little bit, which has been that 242 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 8: great people will come to us. And then we suddenly 243 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 8: woke up a little while ago, especially as tech became 244 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 8: so incredibly important to all of us, that there were 245 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 8: other options for these very smart people that they didn't 246 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 8: have to come and work at hedge funds, or maybe 247 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 8: they weren't interested in finance. What how could that possible? 248 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 8: How could that be? Barry you and I want it shocking, right. 249 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 10: I'll let you an a secret. I'm a recovering attorney myself. 250 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 8: So I get it right, so that attorney's anonymous, we 251 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 8: need to go to anyway that aside. So we suddenly 252 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 8: found ourselves believing that actually we are great, therefore great 253 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 8: people will come and actually not so much that those 254 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 8: new generations have many more choices on how to deploy 255 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 8: that expertise. And actually they look at us and they say, 256 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 8: why would I come and work for an organization where 257 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 8: you don't look like me, you don't feel like me, 258 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 8: you don't understand me, and you'll make me do stuff 259 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 8: I don't want to do. And by the way, I've 260 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 8: watched billions, and I mean, this is the difficulty with podcasts. 261 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 8: I just made a funny face. But the point being, 262 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 8: we have to do and we've had to do a 263 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 8: much better job, I think in joining up the dots 264 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 8: for that brilliant talent that's coming through about what we 265 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 8: do and why we're valuable, and why it matters that 266 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 8: we do what we do, and why they are important 267 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 8: part of ensuring financial security for millions of people who 268 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 8: have worked very, very hard their whole lives and deserve 269 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 8: high quality return on that pension. 270 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 10: Yeah, there's there's been a little bit of a backlash 271 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 10: against things like various AI and chat bots and et cetera. 272 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 10: To me, it's always been a tool. All this technology 273 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 10: is a tool that makes people more productive, more effective, 274 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 10: more efficient. I've never thought, hey, chat GBT is going 275 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 10: to put all of us out of business. It's something 276 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 10: that can be used to the betterment of our work product. 277 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 10: And it sounds like that's integral to Man's philosophy. 278 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 8: Kind of agreed. Chat GPT is clearly the greatest disruptor 279 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 8: we've had in the last year. I mean, it's been 280 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 8: it's been given some really quite momentous and bylines as well, 281 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 8: but it's certainly a massive disruptor from my perspective. If 282 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 8: you think about it negatively, you're missing the mark, right. 283 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 10: It's it's sure it hallucinates occasionally. 284 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 8: But but well, I was going to say something, who doesn't, No, 285 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 8: that's not true. It's it's but it's also not going 286 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 8: to be the first or the last piece of AI technology. 287 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 8: This isn't a well we've got chat GPT now, therefore Withinda, 288 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 8: that's not gonna happen. And this sort of semi hysterical 289 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 8: fear of it, I think is all wrong. 290 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: There is. 291 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 8: There are undoubtedly benefits for us being able to use 292 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 8: technology to capture large data sources. 293 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: So that was Robin Grew in her very first interview 294 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: since being announced as the next CEO, the first female 295 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: leader for Man Group, which is a two hundred and 296 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: forty year old for her. I mean, it wasn't a 297 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: lovely interview. Barry Rittles, I know of old because when 298 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: I lived in New York and he was running his 299 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: firm and writing lots of books and blogs. I used 300 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: to interview him a lot, and he's He's such a 301 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: lovely guy. Such an interesting conversation between the two of them. 302 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Robin Grew also, you know, she talked about diversity, 303 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: about group think about you know, attracting new generational talent 304 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: to the business. She herself identifies as a member of 305 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community. That was an interesting aspect. She didn't 306 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: say much though, about how she was going to grow 307 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: the business that has expanded rapidly for Man Grew. 308 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: Caroline. It's early in the morning and I find myself smiling. 309 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: I couldn't help it. That was really uplifting, wasn't it. 310 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so interesting. You can hear the full 311 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: conversation of course on Master's in Business the podcast, So 312 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I hope you'll listen to more from Robin Grew but yeah, 313 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: a lovely interview around Man Group coming up next to 314 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: London's growth rate outpaces the UK, Revelue's banking license hangs 315 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: in the ballads and brainstorms prove to be a waste 316 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: of time. 317 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 4: Now the paper review on blue Bird Daybreak Europe. The 318 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 4: news you need to know from today's papers. 319 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: Welly Anne Gerrins is with us in the studio to 320 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 2: take us through the front pages today and the headline 321 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: in the Financial Times is London's economic growth uppaces all 322 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: other UK region? 323 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 3: Is that surprisely on, I don't actually think it is 324 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 3: a surprise, But let's get into the nitty gritty of it. 325 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: So London's economy, as you just said, is the best 326 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: performing in the UK. Now, this is all according to 327 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 3: new data from the Office of National Statistics that we 328 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: have got. Now the Capital recorded the fastest expansion and 329 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 3: the smallest impact from coronavirus, and this was boosted by 330 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: really strong growth in information communication and also in our 331 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: financial services right here in the Capital. And this is 332 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 3: all according to the article in the Financial Times. Now, 333 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 3: these latest figures do highlight a really serious challenge for 334 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: the government and the country. It highlights how difficult leveling 335 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 3: up is really going to be, because output in London 336 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 3: rose zero point nine percent between the second and third 337 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 3: quarters of last year, far outstripping the zero point one 338 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: percent national contraction that we did have. Now other figures. 339 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: Output in Wales and Scotland fell during the same period, 340 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: while growth was flat in the North, in Northern Ireland 341 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 3: and in England. So we have to just think London 342 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 3: is the only place really growing at the moment, Caroline, 343 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: So leveling up for the North, a key key Conservative 344 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: Party manifesto which they won a lot of the twenty 345 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: nineteen election on, just seems almost impossible to achieve when 346 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: you have a look at these figures. 347 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't stay leveling up without thinking Boris Johnson. 348 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: I don't hear it out much of Rishisuna's mouth. 349 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: No, no, absolutely, and Bloombergs. We've done our own research 350 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: on this in the last sort of years, several bits 351 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: of kind of big data, and yeah, leveling off has 352 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: not worked, unfortunately obviously. But no, that's interesting, yes, because. 353 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 3: The main point of it was really reducing the large 354 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: regional inequalities across the country, getting. 355 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: More productivity out of the whole of the UK. Anyway, 356 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: that stor is really good. What about the Times The 357 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: banking license Trouble Revolute, Sorry, the banking license for Troubled 358 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Revolute hangs in the balance, Caroline. 359 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 3: At one stage I felt like I didn't know anyone 360 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: without a Revolute card. And it feels like things are 361 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: changing a little bit now. The fate of Revolutes attempts 362 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 3: to secure this long awaited banking license from city regulators 363 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: has been really thrown into massive doubt. And that all 364 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: came last night. The Times newspapers said. This is after 365 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: it emerged the Bank of England actually plans to reject 366 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 3: the company's application. As you just said, it has been troubled. 367 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: In March, Revolutes external auditors raised concerns in its twenty 368 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 3: twenty one accounts and there's been a revolving door that 369 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 3: just keeps turning at Revolute. The neo bank has lost 370 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: several key executives in recent months now, just last week 371 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: the CFO did also leave the company. But once upon 372 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: a time, Revolute was the darling of Britain's fintech industry 373 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: and has been seeking approval for a license now for 374 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: more than two years. Allow failure to gain this license 375 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: from Revolute's home regulators would pose an obstacle to the 376 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: group's ambition to expanding operations in other countries, and again 377 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 3: it will be another blow to Britain's wider fintech industry. 378 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: Rushi's su next government has really been championing that tech 379 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 3: sector there, so once again real problems for Revolute. 380 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the criticism from the co founders of 381 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: Revolute about the UK post Brexit has been really stinging recently. 382 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: You know, they said, no one wants to hear about 383 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: Brexit anymore, but it's influence on fintech's undeniable and on 384 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: and on. So this is only going to add to that, 385 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: isn't it. 386 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: Anyway. 387 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: Finally, the Wall Street Journal has the headline office brainstorms 388 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: are a waste of time. Leanne will have to stop 389 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: coming up with ideas together. 390 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 3: Then oh, great idea. Apparently it's just not even worth doing, Lizzie. 391 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: So you know, no, I like brainstorming with people. But listen, 392 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: there's two sides to the story. Let's get into it. 393 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: Giving workers alone time could yield more innovation than getting 394 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: everyone in a room. And this is all according to 395 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 3: new research the brainstorming exercise. Apparently it is just a 396 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: terrible idea because the value of gathering to discuss loosely 397 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 3: formed thoughts is just apparently suspect. And this is all 398 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 3: according to research that's been done. Sena Ayanger, professor at 399 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 3: Columbia Business School, has actually compiled this research. She's written 400 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: a book and it says brainstorming is just a waste 401 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: of time. But you know what, the Amazon CEO actually says, 402 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: It gets people excited and they blurt out new ideas. 403 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: So who you're an extra. 404 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: Word depends how much time you devote to it isn't 405 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: it's comfortable if it's quick. 406 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 407 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 408 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: Look for us your podcast feed every morning on Apple, 409 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 410 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 411 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 412 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 413 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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