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Speaker 2: Of black music. I want you to enjoy the same.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host Questlove with Me.

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Speaker 1: Today is Boss Bill and kind of Weird is Fontigolo

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Speaker 1: on his own former podcast as Sudds the proud of

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Speaker 1: his son, his return and the one and only Big Pooh,

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Speaker 1: collectively known as Durham, North Carolina's finest little Brother. I'm

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Speaker 1: correct and seeing Durham correct yep, yep, and you claim

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Speaker 1: dorm as well, Pooh.

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Speaker 3: Durham claims me.

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Speaker 1: Like who's one of the tug of war of where

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Speaker 1: the genesis little brother actually lies? It all started at Central,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean with students in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: Central together, So Durham, for all intents and purposes, it

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Speaker 1: is the birthplace a little brother. Yeah, I just I

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Speaker 1: just have to make it clear that I'm from Virginia

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Speaker 1: Alexandria and Fairfax specifically. Okay, all right, So I in

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Speaker 1: the attempts to treat Fonte as a regular guest, to

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: However, I'm not that familiar with your story, Pooh. So

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Speaker 1: to give us a recap or whatever, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: What was your entry into music?

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Speaker 4: Probably the radio, but like more importantly BM when they

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Speaker 2: Were you or were you scamming?

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Speaker 3: I was scamming big time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did it about five different times and got

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Speaker 4: five different groups of CDs. But that was probably my

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Speaker 4: I mean everybody probably did at that time, back in

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Speaker 4: how I first heard the big ee nas and just

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Speaker 4: And between that and radio, because radio was real regional

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Speaker 4: So that's how I got put on to like when

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Speaker 4: Ray Kwan when he dropped the Purple tape, he came through,

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Speaker 4: I was actually just talking about this with my wife yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask for and the same for you, Fante, Like,

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Speaker 2: He like Heart. I remember he had like the Heart,

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Speaker 1: So with Pooh, for you you not having that like

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Speaker 4: I was always a writer, not necessarily of music, but

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, is this the typical narrative for a

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Speaker 4: I mean, we initially met uh in a dorm room.

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Speaker 4: Uh Tay came through in this ever ever bubbly personality.

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Speaker 4: Uh to spit a rhyme he wrote for English class.

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Speaker 4: Uh and and that's how we met.

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Speaker 4: It was his room and he used to just have

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Speaker 2: It was this organization.

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Speaker 1: It was this organization, So I know, Devin, it was me, you, Joe,

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Speaker 4: Old man, listen, Okay, we leave that man to tell

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Speaker 2: That was no name. What that was at an acronym,

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Speaker 4: Of course, give us God the murder me God, I

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Speaker 2: That was one of them. Yeah, we had a couple

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Speaker 3: That was the main one.

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Speaker 1: That was the main one, God I murdered man. It

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Speaker 2: I want a group to come out named acronym in

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Speaker 1: Accomplished character, resigious, resilience, nigga.

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Speaker 3: I don't get that ship way the fun up out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean it transformed into many different took

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Sean went back to New York. So I was like,

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Speaker 2: I let me.

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Speaker 3: That conversation changed my It changed my rap career.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: It made me work hard at ship, like I never

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Speaker 4: it's ironic because that's we ended up a duo anyway.

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Speaker 1: During that period, I mean, how how much would you

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Speaker 4: Maybe I was surviving man. Uh yeah, yeah, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: It wasn't serious for me. I still didn't I still

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Speaker 3: It was. It was one of those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I'm saying I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't choose class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the thing.

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Speaker 3: It was two thousand and one because that's the summer.

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Speaker 2: We you know what it was two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: It was spring. It was spring two thousand and one.

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Speaker 3: Justice League started.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when little brother became little brother like that,

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Speaker 1: Us Spring two thousand and one. That was like dealing.

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Speaker 2: My head was in a whole nother place. I was like, Yo,

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Speaker 1: Real about this shit, nigga, yeah, you better find something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to say.

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Speaker 2: Man? I was scared of ship.

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Speaker 1: I was like, nigga, you this shit sound good, you

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Speaker 1: Was I met Knife in ninety eight?

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Speaker 2: It was ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: it's like the lobby kind of commons area, and I

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00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: see this dude holding a source magazine and I was.

445
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: Like, yo, man, let let me let me see that.

446
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: Let me let me see that source.

447
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,199
Speaker 1: And at that time, this was again, this is like

448
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: ninety eight, so this is master p you know, bad boy.

449
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this is kind of like the peak of

450
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: that era, you know, approaching that era. So to see

451
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: somebody with a source magazine that shit was like, Nigga,

452
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: that's like manner from heaven, you know what I mean.

453
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, you know about this too?

454
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: What the fuck? You know? And so he was like yeah, man.

455
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: So we me and him started going through the source

456
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: together and it was an ad for most Steps Black

457
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: on Black Side, and I think either me or him

458
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: was like, yo, man, I'm waiting on this shit.

459
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, nigga, you know about that? Like

460
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: what you were you.

461
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: Up on most And from that point on, me and

462
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: Knine like we were like that was it you know

463
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: what I mean. It was like, you know, I found

464
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: kind of another Jedi. So that was ninety eight.

465
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: Can I ask? Can I ask something? Sure?

466
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 3: Well?

467
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: When I met culturally, did you often have to code

468
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: switch musically to fit.

469
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 2: In with whatever social circle you were in?

470
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: So say, if like someone's not into most that is

471
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: in your parameter in college, like who else are you

472
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: listening to?

473
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: At that time?

474
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: No Limit they ran ship because I couldn't make No

475
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: Limit ran ship, bro Like that was for me. It

476
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: was different because so I didn't get No Limit until

477
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: I got to college because at the time that was

478
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: when we was playing football, and so all the football

479
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: players like all.

480
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: In the locker room. That was what we was bumping

481
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 2: about it about it the true.

482
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: Album No Limit Soldiers, like you know, before we went

483
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: to the weight room, like we bumped that ship. So

484
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: that was when No Limit clicked for me because I

485
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is what the music is used for.

486
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily nothing. I was riding around in my

487
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: car playing you.

488
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: Know at no point where you guys like, hey, this

489
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: is this thing called the love movement.

490
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: I was called get a hold, you know.

491
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: I was still I was still in high school. But

492
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: I mean for us, it wasn't.

493
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 4: It was just like you like what you liked, and

494
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 4: you learned from other people about other you know, other shit.

495
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 4: So I learned from other people about No Limit. I

496
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 4: learned because I was listening to New York stuff personally.

497
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: So I learned from other people about No Limit. I

498
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 4: learned from other people about the West Coast. I had

499
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: a homeboy who was from Oakland originally, so he put

500
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 4: me on to drew Down and Too Short and all

501
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 4: the guys from Oakland and and so that's how I

502
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: started just taking everything in. But it wasn't like a

503
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 4: if you come into the circle and you be like, yo, man,

504
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: I listened to you know, the Jungle Brothers and somebody

505
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: was like, man, I'm listening to fucking n w.

506
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: A man Like.

507
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't a seemed like they wasn't that. It was

508
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 4: just like, oh well, let me see what that's talking about.

509
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: And it was like a sharing experience.

510
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: It was a way a lot more sharing, way more

511
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: communal experience. We gotten a no limit, but it was

512
00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: more like with binoculars, see what they're doing a distance.

513
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: Let's see what they're doing. I mean when the movie

514
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: came out. We had it on the tour bus. But

515
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: it's more like, look at those guys, but we I

516
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: didn't realize that that ship was a culture.

517
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: It's it was a that ship, yeah man, Yeah, it

518
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 4: wasn't a movement, nigga.

519
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: It was definitely a culture.

520
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Like you saw that No Limit tank out the way,

521
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: And yet the thing that's curious to me is that

522
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: you guys still decided to go to another pasture that

523
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: not travel before down there where it could have been

524
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: easy for you guys to just go that route. I

525
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: just think that that wasn't who we were, you know,

526
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: because I've you know, I've been asked that question a

527
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: lot about, you know, why we chose the route that

528
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: we did, and you know, for me, I think it

529
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: was just an extension of who we were, you know

530
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean the No Limit stuff and

531
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of the South stuff that was popping

532
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: at that time. You know, I enjoyed those records, and

533
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, they certainly had a place in my life,

534
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: but I knew I couldn't live that, you know what

535
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, And so I was like, well, the stuff

536
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 1: that is more connected to me in terms of, you know,

537
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: just who I am as a person and kind of

538
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: way I want to live my life.

539
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: It was tribe.

540
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: It was calm and the roots, and you know, it

541
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: was all the stuff from that kind of native tongue tree,

542
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: and that was what felt right to us in terms

543
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: of making records. Now, I'll say what attracted me to

544
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: you guys when I first heard of you guys was

545
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: the fact that, well, first, I mean, our listeners need

546
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 1: to know exactly how ahead of your time you guys

547
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: were as far as I mean, what people are doing now,

548
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: as far as like do it yourself, as far as

549
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: doing stuff for yourself, making records and final product in

550
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: your houses, in your apartment, that sort of thing, which

551
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: I mean is practically unheard of. I mean, for all

552
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: the folklore of Rizza, yeah, making the wood taking stuff

553
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: in his apartment, he still brought those a debts to

554
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: a real studio to polish them and all those things.

555
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: So the first, you know, when you guys told me

556
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: that all this stuff was made in your in your

557
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: dorm room and on fruity loops and on computers and

558
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: all that stuff like that was like talking Greek to me.

559
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: I How did you.

560
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: Guys even know? I mean, how are you guys.

561
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: Even pioneers of just new ways of recording and whatnot.

562
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: That's all we had.

563
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: We black folk man, you know what I'm saying, working

564
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: with what you got, Like, we didn't have no studios,

565
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 4: We didn't have no you know, knife didn't have no

566
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: beat machine.

567
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: Like I mean, at no point was it like because

568
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: even with us, it was like, okay, well we got

569
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: to get to a real studio one day. So like

570
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: we pulled it up our money and just went to

571
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: a real.

572
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Studio, and no point is there, Like we heard what

573
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 4: we had and what we were doing, it was like

574
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: fuck that studio, like this is and then were good and.

575
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: Then too on top of that, and on top of that,

576
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: you remember we heard, so we heard the stuff that

577
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: we were making in our studio, and then we also

578
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: heard the stuff that was coming out of the big

579
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: studios at that time, right, and that shit was garbage.

580
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: And so I think that kind of gave us even

581
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: more confidence because we was like, yo, if we're doing

582
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: this shit in our fucking in my homies apartment and

583
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: y'all niggas is going to ease.

584
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: You know.

585
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: It was mixed on this twenty four track or whatever,

586
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: and the music still ain't good, So I think for

587
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: me that was.

588
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: A big That was a big factor too.

589
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 4: That's when I realized it was the man, not the machine.

590
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: That's that's that's what that taught me.

591
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: What were the alternative group names besides Little I mean,

592
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: was it Little Brother?

593
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Just in automatic, like that's what we are? Did you

594
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: have other that was.

595
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: The first name?

596
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: Yeah?

597
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: I think another one. The only one I can remember

598
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: was Round Midnight. I remember we had that was one

599
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: which things?

600
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: That was one we had one that we just all

601
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: knew it couldn't be used for a rap group.

602
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Flea market Mannequins.

603
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: I remember that.

604
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 3: I'm still hearsing that ship for something.

605
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: Why.

606
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I have no idea where that came from. I remember

607
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: that name, but I don't know what the thought of

608
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: it was. I think maybe I was, like I was.

609
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 1: I was listening to like Google Dolls and like food Fighters.

610
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: I was into that ship. So I was trying to

611
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: think of a name that sounded something like that, but

612
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: an alternative name that you get you all the booked

613
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: at a club, right, Wait a.

614
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: Minute, right, A lot of pissed off people.

615
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: So what was the genesis of what we now know

616
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: as the listening at the beginning of it, Man, the

617
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: listening was, Yeah, by this time, this is around two

618
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: thousand and one, it's old one.

619
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

620
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: I graduated school in May, and Ninth he was by

621
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: this time he was fully fledged, like making beats. So

622
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: the thing with Ninth was that, you know, we met

623
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. I didn't hear a beat from him

624
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: until like a year later. I didn't even know he

625
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: made beats. He came to my room. We met in

626
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: ninety eight. He came to my room one day and

627
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: he had He's like, Yo, man, I got something I

628
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: want to play for you. He's like, yeah, I got

629
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: the black Star bootleg.

630
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: I was like, word, you got that.

631
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: She's like hell yeah. And so we played the black

632
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: Star album. We was listening to the Blackstar record and

633
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: I was like, man, and this shit crazy as hell,

634
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: this shit dope. And so then I didn't see Ninth

635
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: again for like months at a time because he was

636
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: in school.

637
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: But I don't think he was really in school. Yeah,

638
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: he was a career student. Like, how do y'all do that?

639
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: Likes Yo, if you get if you hang around the dorm,

640
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: if you can get uh, you know, if you're good

641
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: with somebody in the calf, you can eat. So if

642
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: you ain't, even if you ain't got no meal playing,

643
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, you can get in the.

644
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 2: Calf on especially on like Chicken Day.

645
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: Nigga, come on on Chicken Day.

646
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: Day. Essential was like the club I was gonna say.

647
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: At to Reach school, they did not allow any rentals,

648
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: wrap or foil uh inside their cafeteria for fear that

649
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, the students would steal the food and take

650
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: it back to their dorm. Man, listen, man, niggas took

651
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: all kind of ship back from the door.

652
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: We were taking sid everything.

653
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm we had a takeout line in the caf so

654
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 4: you can come and get your food and lead like

655
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: get it to go and lead.

656
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: Straight up, straight up.

657
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: But so yeah, so around that time, you know, nany

658
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: nine Poop ninth wasn't on campus like that. I've just

659
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: kind of see him sporadically. But Nan, he bring the

660
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: Black Star album to my room.

661
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: We listened to it.

662
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: And then in ninety nine he shows back up. And

663
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: by this time we were in a new dorm. We

664
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: were in the new residence, and so we had moved

665
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: and we had like this little sweet or whatever, and

666
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: so he come and he like, yo, man, I got

667
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: some joints I want to play for you. And I

668
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: was like, and I was thinking he had like another

669
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: unreleased album and he plays he puts the tape in,

670
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: plays it and I'm like, yo, this shit, dope, who

671
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: is this? He's like, yo, this is me? I said, word.

672
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I said, you're like, you made these beats? He was like, yeah,

673
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: these joints. I said, what you make them on? He said, man,

674
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: I just make him on fruity loops or well no, no, no,

675
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It wasn't frud loops at the time. This

676
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: is even before fruit loops. He was using a program

677
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: called beat Nah. This is even before acid. It was

678
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: called it was a program called b box, and he

679
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: was using b box and cool let it to make

680
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: to make tracks. And I mean again, it was unheard

681
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: of me. I was like, nigga, what the fuck? Like

682
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: really on a computer? And so, but he had some

683
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: joints and so one record he had was one beat had.

684
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: I said, man, when you let me wrap over this?

685
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: He was like, all right, cool, he said you really

686
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: want to wrap I said, yeah, let me wrap over

687
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: this joint. And I did a record called paper Lines

688
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: and that was like ninety nine. That was like the

689
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: first song me and him ever did together. And I

690
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: remember doing it. I played it for Pool, played it

691
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: for just Cats and our crew. They really they really

692
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: fucked with it. And that was that was kind of

693
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: when it all first started. So around the time, by

694
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: the time oh one World Around, that was when the

695
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: league had all we was just recording so much shit

696
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: together and it was still just kind of loose. But

697
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: by this time we would had started work on a song.

698
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: It was called Speed, and originally it was supposed to

699
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: be me and Median. Median never shows up to the

700
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: studio and so who was there. I can't remember if

701
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: you wrote with me to the studio that night or yeah.

702
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 3: I think I think I came up on the train

703
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: and I wrote with you.

704
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we came.

705
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: We came to the studio together and I was like,

706
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: I was like, well, ship Pool here, like you you

707
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: want to rocket? He was like, yeah, I rocket. And

708
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: so we did that song together and that was it.

709
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: That was just like the Speed.

710
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: I know, that was their first joint together. That was

711
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: the very first song we ever got together. Oh shit, okay, okay.

712
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: So it's also explained to me who is in the

713
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: Justice League. Okay, all right, I'm sorry should I say

714
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: Justice League?

715
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: That side was to remember the names?

716
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: It's fifteen of them, and how do you how do

717
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: you wrestle with that Justice League?

718
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: And have y'all ever had a meeting a collective meeting?

719
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: Like I talked to Rook I been talked to Rook

720
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: in sometimes Rook from the Justice League, but it was

721
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: it was always love love. Yeah, we met. At one point,

722
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: me and Rook was talking. This was years ago. He

723
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: was like, yo, man, we need to do a Justice

724
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: League meets Justice League, Like let's let's collab, let's do

725
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: some ship and we were talking about doing it, but

726
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, it just never happened. But it was never no, no,

727
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: smoking's first.

728
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: I think we were first.

729
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 3: I think we were first.

730
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: I think yeah.

731
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: All right, all right, so so Justice League members, Okay,

732
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: so let's we're gonna do this the easy way.

733
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: Start with the niggas on the phone.

734
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: Me and.

735
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: Do you have nine?

736
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 3: Did you have Sean Dawn? You have Shamba crisis?

737
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: Uh Nason right com.

738
00:36:52,880 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: Uhccentric ecentric centric, It's to do the big though.

739
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: Legacy though legs legas thirteen crisis crisis, I said crisis.

740
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: You got crisis. I said, you show you Allen Poe

741
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: and Eiggar Allan poe Or.

742
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: Said flow the flow.

743
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 4: I said, po Yeah, he gott the flow the reason nig.

744
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 4: I think that's it. I think forgetting.

745
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: So it's fifteen we forget.

746
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: We got Mike Bird, we got eccentric, we got some

747
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: of your real got some of your got bird Bird

748
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: says all We got.

749
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: Book saves off crisis, leg crisis.

750
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: I think what about the weight? You said, the Waight team,

751
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 2: that's prices. I think we got everybody median media damn

752
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: median median.

753
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

754
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

755
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: Another dude that showed up intermittently like he was just

756
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: vanished for like months at a time and then just

757
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: popped back up.

758
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: That was That's that's been meetings and mo since I

759
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: know them.

760
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: Everybody needs your Molik be in their life. Just shows

761
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: up in plano.

762
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: He that was him.

763
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: That was him, so with speed, like when is it

764
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: the official like okay, are.

765
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: We a group? Or was it just like okay, what

766
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: is this?

767
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean is it like a relationship where you're like,

768
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, like after the third date, then she's like okay, so.

769
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: What are we? We are farmers.

770
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 4: For that, I think like a day or two later,

771
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: like we all just kept listening to the song and

772
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: noticed the chemistry and said, hey, this sounds good. Let's

773
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: let's make a few more and see how it come out.

774
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: And a few more turned into a whole lass out.

775
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: Okay, Now I really want to Now that I've established

776
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: the story for those that are not familiar, now I

777
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: want to get to my real first question, because even

778
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: more than the roots, like okay, okay, granted it's like

779
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: eleven of us, but really the roots are two people,

780
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: and it comes down to me and Tarique, and fifty

781
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: to fifty.

782
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: Is a little bit more easier than thirty three or

783
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: three and third.

784
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: So in the beginning, are you guys ever.

785
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 2: Like, what is the the.

786
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: Democratic process of how decisions.

787
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: Are made man?

788
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: At that time, I mean, it was we had I

789
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: think I thought was a fairly a good system that

790
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: got kind of you know, corroded over time. But but originally,

791
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: you know, it was the three of us. It was me,

792
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: poor Knife, and Doe was our manager. So pretty much

793
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: whenever it came down to do something, me poor Knife

794
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: would discuss it internally. And it's three of us, So automatically,

795
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna lose, you know what I mean, sometimes I lose,

796
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: sometime Pool lose, Ninth, flues whatever. But whatever it was

797
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: that we voted on, we would then go to our

798
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: manager and be like, look, this is what we agreed on,

799
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do, and that was it.

800
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 2: Once Ninth left the group, that was.

801
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: When things changed and we no longer had that kind

802
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: of third swing vote, so to speak. So that was

803
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: when for me, I think just the group became very

804
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: taxing because it was just, yeah, it was, but yeah,

805
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: particularly and hard as a twosome at that point because

806
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: at that point in time, me and Poo hadn't really

807
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't think me and.

808
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: You had really talked like that about what we.

809
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: Wanted and about kind of at all. We didn't have

810
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: none of them conversations. So we were just making a

811
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: lot of them decisions on the fly, and you know,

812
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: when you don't have a third person there to kind

813
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: of help smooth things over, in some ways it made

814
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: it really hard.

815
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: But in the beginning, that's what it was.

816
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: It was the three of us, we make a decision

817
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: and then just told our manager what we wanted.

818
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: To do with it.

819
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: So what were your initial goals for the listening? Was

820
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: it like, Okay, we'll have these collection of songs, we'll

821
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: try to get a major deal.

822
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 3: Too much.

823
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: It was let's do these songs, sell them ourselves and

824
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 4: see what happens.

825
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, originally we was gonna do We was gonna do it,

826
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: put it out ourselves because I was on I think

827
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I had like a credit card at that time. I

828
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: had my little Discovery card and I was we was

829
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: on disc makers and I was just running numbers.

830
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, so how much if we just press

831
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: this shit ourselves?

832
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: And we moved out the trunk like I was, you know,

833
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: doing it just in my mind. And I was talking

834
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: to Ninth about it because I remember we were in

835
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: we were in the computer.

836
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: Lab at at at in c State.

837
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: So another fun fact about this time, which I'm just

838
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: now remembering. Even though the listening was recorded on a computer,

839
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: none of us had personal computers at that time. Yea,

840
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: like none of us had personal computers. I didn't story, yo,

841
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: bro for real, Like I didn't have a computer.

842
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: Ninth ain't had one. Ninth was using he was a courting.

843
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: We was recording at Sazar Comanche's crib and he had

844
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: a compact for Sario, So that was the computer. So

845
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: whenever I wanted, whenever I wanted to get on like

846
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: Okay player and ship Nigga, that was all computer labs.

847
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: So my homie Median.

848
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: He was a student at n C State but like

849
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: not really a student, but he had an I D.

850
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: So he was there. You know, we used Yo Reil

851
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 2: yeah Leroy.

852
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 5: Uh.

853
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: We used LeRoy's roommate, U.

854
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Louis Cheron like he was the he was the cafe Nigga.

855
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: Pretty pretty pretty low when we use this joint. And

856
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: and then like when I was at Central like that,

857
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: that that my last year. That was when I was

858
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: I was on the newspaper. I was an editor. I

859
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: was and arts and entertainment editor on our newspaper, and

860
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: so I would be in a computer lab all the time.

861
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: You know.

862
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: That's when I would get all my ok Player post off.

863
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: But after that, I.

864
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: Mean I was going home, like nigga, we have no

865
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: computers at the crib, no.

866
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: Small phone shit Ty didn't he have a cell phone

867
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: at that time?

868
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I got my first cell phone

869
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: probably like oh what four something like that.

870
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: Some shit like that.

871
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, three four, Yeah, Boss Bill, correct me if I'm wrong. No,

872
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 1: this is literally the Bill Gates story. Bill Gates's story

873
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: had a faulty ID that let him stay in the

874
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: computer lab, like fifteen hours a time. To be in

875
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: the computer lab during Bill Gates day was like attaxing,

876
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: like forty dollars an hour thing, but he never got

877
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: charged for it.

878
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: So then he was like, all right.

879
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay in this motherfucker for fifteen hours a day,

880
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 1: get his figure out how to turn this big ass

881
00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: room into a laptop. So basically sneaking in computer labs,

882
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: barring other people's idea and what not, this is the

883
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: Bill Gates story.

884
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: That's well, I.

885
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: Wish we made Bill Gates money, but really, but fate

886
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: didn't have it that way.

887
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: But but no, that was it. We were just doing

888
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: those records.

889
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: So at that time, Yeah, the thought wasn't you know,

890
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: at least for me, the thought it was just Okay,

891
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: we made this record, let's just get it out so

892
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: people can hear it.

893
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: And you know, it was just.

894
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Like, I don't think no one had a thought of

895
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: where it was gonna go. I knew my life was

896
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: gonna change, like I can specifically remember the night when

897
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: we finished everything and like we had the final mix

898
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: down and sequence of the album, and I just sat

899
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: outside my apartment in the car just listen to the record,

900
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: and I just I knew things were gonna change. I

901
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: just felt that we had something special. It wasn't like,

902
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, yo, we're gonna be rich or we're gonna

903
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: be whatever. But I specifically remember having the feeling of

904
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: just like yo, like something is around the corner. I

905
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but I know something's coming.

906
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: And at that time, we just wanted people to hear it.

907
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: That was the only that was the only mo O.

908
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: What was the first sign of that, of that assurance.

909
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Was it like your first out out of state show?

910
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: Was it like a mentioned in the source or like

911
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: what was that moment where it was like, oh shit,

912
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: what happened?

913
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 4: I think for me it was when uh, when Benny

914
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: b got in touch with us just.

915
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: To have somebody Benny b from ABB Records.

916
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was not your label, No, No, not

917
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: at all at all.

918
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: I always thought that ABB was your Now ABB was

919
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: Benny b Uh from the Bay Area. They they had

920
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: put out like a lot of dilated people's twelve ins.

921
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: That was kind of their claim to fame, uh, dillate

922
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: People's the far Ride. They had put out like just

923
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and they were known for just

924
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: moving vinyl. Yeah, And that was how a buddy of ours,

925
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 1: a promoter out this way bum Rush DJ bum Rush.

926
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: He had to connected abb Ian Davis, I D and

927
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: I D heard our stuff on the n from all

928
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: of us.

929
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: We had posted on okay Player and all that.

930
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Shit, and we had the little site that was when

931
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: Bossville had the John he had the Yeah, it's like

932
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: he posted up to join us up on there.

933
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: So it was just kind of spreading and so I

934
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: G I I D from a dB.

935
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: ABB caught wind of it and reached out to the

936
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: bum Rush and was like, Yo, you gotta line on

937
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 1: these little brother dudes. And I D caught my crib

938
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying one day, and that's how

939
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: we started talking. And that was how the ABB relationship, Uh,

940
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: that was how we.

941
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: Came to sign with them.

942
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: So, Bill, were you the okay player that officially introduced

943
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: okay player to introduced a little.

944
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: Brother to Okay Player?

945
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: I guess, but I mean I got it through Von

946
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 5: p from currently a Tania Morgan and like Vaughn hooked

947
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: me up with the Centric, and the Centric sent me

948
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 5: u like the He's for Love joint revisited.

949
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: And like so I was.

950
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 5: I was a Ninth Wonder fan first, and then I

951
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 5: didn't even know about these two until later, Like I

952
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 5: think I heard speeding away from me, like maybe not

953
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 5: maybe like a week or two after that, and then

954
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 5: I was like, damn, what is this ship?

955
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 2: Slot funked us too. He was another one.

956
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: He was the one that really cause again we had

957
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: no computers, let alone a way to build a website

958
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: or none of that ship. So Slot was the one

959
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: that had. He had built like a little site for us,

960
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: and he was like, yo, I can put some joints

961
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: up for y'all. I was like cool, And I was

962
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: working at Blue Cross Blue Shield at the time, and

963
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: he would call me, you know.

964
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: We would we would he would well he would DM

965
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 2: me or PM.

966
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Me as we would call it back then, and he

967
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: was like, yo, man, like y'all, joints just crashed my server.

968
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: I gotta like everybody been coming to this ship.

969
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: I was like word for real and we just had

970
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: like three folks songes up there, so slop was a

971
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: big a big part of that.

972
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: Was it you and ninth or you and Pooh or

973
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: were you alone? Would you?

974
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I went to the Greensboro show.

975
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: I didn't go to that, Okay.

976
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: All I remember was that we were doing a show

977
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: and it was about to rain, and I remember we

978
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: were having an argument backstage because Help was bitching and

979
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: said we should cancel this show because it's electric and whatever.

980
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, dude, you wear Timberland's like no one's.

981
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: You ain't getting to eletrocuted. And he like protested. I

982
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: think he didn't play this show or like walked off

983
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: stage earlier or something shit.

984
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,479
Speaker 2: And I felt bad and.

985
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: I did something very uncharacteristic, like I'm never the guy

986
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: that like goes to the audience and like, hey, how

987
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: you doing, thanks for you know. But some sid said

988
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: all right, go out there and shake hands for the

989
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: first time in your whole career. And I did it,

990
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: and you put it in my hand. You reminded me

991
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: that this was the little brother I read about. Okay player,

992
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: oh wow wow, okay. And normally, you know, normally anybody

993
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: hands me disc is instant. Uh, you know, coffee table

994
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: coaster from Frisby about to break up my draw on

995
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: your CD, Nigga, I just I just thought it right now,

996
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I just leave it back backstage.

997
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm kind of proud of my

998
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: track record like something. I was going to leave it

999
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: backstage and I looked at it, and I don't know

1000
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: if it was the fact that you're handwriting like the

1001
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: the your your your font or whatever.

1002
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: You really Yeah, some spoke to me.

1003
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, he really puts some effort into this

1004
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: homemade uh this artwork.

1005
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: I was like, And I went back picked it up and.

1006
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: Listened to it, and I was like, holy shit, like

1007
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: I'm poor lone jealous of this, like like this ship

1008
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: and and like yeah, like I I'll say that I've

1009
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: only you know, Jill Blow, slum Village, Cody Chestnut and

1010
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: you guys. I'm sure I'm missing somebody else. But like

1011
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: something told me to listen to that ship. And that

1012
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: ship like that changed my life, man, because I personally

1013
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: didn't think I would at that time. I was concerned

1014
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: because there was the idea of a group existing was

1015
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: becoming uh endangered and in dangerous species and I was like, yo,

1016
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: a real group, not not a bunch of soloists. And

1017
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, from there then I just saw the word

1018
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: spread and spread and spread. So when it like, what

1019
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: was the decision to not go the slow and steady

1020
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: route and like, let's get it real, let's get a

1021
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: deal through atlantic and poverty.

1022
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: So as you're record label, all right, so what is

1023
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: it back then? What was what were the roadblocks and

1024
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: the potholes in being your own record label?

1025
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 4: Shit, you should have yeah, distribution, you didn't have director

1026
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 4: consumer back then. But I think for for I can

1027
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: speak for me on this my decision. I think if

1028
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 4: abb if that experience would have been a better experience

1029
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 4: for us, it wouldn't have been a thing of well, man,

1030
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: let's go get this deal. We'd been like, it would

1031
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: have been more like, shit, we good where we at.

1032
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: But the experience wasn't good because paid So yeah, that

1033
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 4: makes the experience terrible. We still haven't gotten paid.

1034
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: So can I ask, well, let me ask, let me ask,

1035
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: all right, So that it came out on two thousand

1036
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: and two, two thousand and three, Yeah, two thousand and three, okay,

1037
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: so had technology as we know now in twenty twenty

1038
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: been available in two thousand and two, two thousand and three.

1039
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: Would this had been a different outcome? Very different, very different.

1040
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have fucked personally. I wouldn't have fucked with

1041
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: no label had we had it, you know, had we

1042
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: back then, you know, we already had the means of

1043
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: our own production.

1044
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: So we owned our means of production. We could make

1045
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: it ourselves.

1046
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: You know, if we had a straight pipeline, we could

1047
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: get it directly to our fans and see the money back. Man,

1048
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: fuck a label, straight up. But that was but pooh,

1049
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: But you made a great point, you know, when you

1050
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: you know, you ask about what made us make that jump.

1051
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: You know, I really think an agree one hundred percent

1052
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: that had it, if our indie experience would have been

1053
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: better and we would have actually been like paid fairly

1054
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: and you know, according to our contract, if we would

1055
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: have actually been compensated for our work on an indie label,

1056
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: I think we would have been much more hesitant about

1057
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: signing to a major. But at that time, you know,

1058
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 1: we we put out the records and you know, you're

1059
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: hearing all this buzz and you know, everybody saying, oh man,

1060
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: y'all about to blow up, y'all due whatever. So then

1061
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: Atlantic comes knocking and it was a bunch of labels

1062
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: that wanted to sign us at that time, but that

1063
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of fed uh well.

1064
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 4: Mike Karen reached out first, but we were we were told,

1065
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 4: we got the word.

1066
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 3: Not to deal with him. So like we ended up.

1067
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 3: We met with Warner, We met with.

1068
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 4: Jive, and then we met It's Warner and then it

1069
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 4: was Warner because Tom Waller.

1070
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 2: That's when we met Tom Wally, Tom Waally.

1071
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 3: We met with Rest of Peace, Chris Lighty and Peter

1072
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:42,439
Speaker 3: THEO and Jive.

1073
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: Chris Rdy to throw something.

1074
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Chris Lighty, man, he came to Day and

1075
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 4: Tall out to the club, took us to the house and.

1076
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: Lighty yeah, like the thing was, man, I'll never forget

1077
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 2: this ship. Man. I remember being in there.

1078
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: And because this is around the time of Chris Lighty

1079
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: like g Unit Holland on records, Chris Lighty, right, So

1080
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 1: so the thing was, man.

1081
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: So we went into the meeting.

1082
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: We had a meeting at Jive and you know, Chris

1083
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: Lighty comes in and we're all sitting there at the table.

1084
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: It's Chris Lighty, It's me Pooh.

1085
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: Doe our manager at the time, and Wayne Williams DJ

1086
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: Wayne Williams out of Chicago.

1087
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: We're all sitting in there.

1088
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: Williams from R Kelly, Yes, yes, yeah. R Kelly chosen

1089
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: a few DJs, Wayne Williams, you know what I'm saying.

1090
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: So he's in there, and so, man, so we we

1091
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: talking and stuff, and and I remember Chris saying he

1092
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: was like, you know, man, I listened to y'all album

1093
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: and he's like, Yo, it tells a whole story. He's like,

1094
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: it's not just singles. He's like, you know, it tells

1095
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: a whole story. And you know, I really think I

1096
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: love what you guys are doing. I think, you know,

1097
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: we can push it. And I was just sitting there.

1098
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: I was like wow, and he was like, you know, man.

1099
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: I remember he's like he was talking about fifty and

1100
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, the whole thing with fifty

1101
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: was get ready to root for.

1102
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: The bad guy.

1103
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: That was our whole marketing scheme. And I was like, yeah,

1104
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: it's like the movie Payback. And he was like, yo,

1105
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: I like this guy.

1106
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 2: I like this guy. You know, like it was funny. He'said, yo,

1107
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: I like this guy. And I said yeah. It was

1108
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: like that.

1109
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, He's like, you know, that was

1110
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: my whole thing with fifty and he said, but I

1111
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: really like y'all. He said, y'all are like different from

1112
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: everything else that's out and y'all really cut through the clutter.

1113
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: And he was talking. He started talking about his time

1114
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: at Death Jam. I never get this shit, he was like, yo,

1115
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: he said, man, you know when I was at Death Jam,

1116
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: he said, you know, I was fresh off the Mister

1117
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: Smith album, so I was the prince of Death Jam.

1118
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: He was like, I could do whatever I wanted, he said,

1119
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: And so the next record I signed was this this

1120
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: record called Crew now Me. You know, hip hop, fucking

1121
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: rap nerd. I'm like, niggaw, I'm like, yeah, thirty thirty.

1122
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: I love that fucking album. And he again, he was like, yeah,

1123
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 2: I like this guy.

1124
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: Like this guy. I'd say this, I like this guy.

1125
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: I said, no, man, thirty thirty that was the ship.

1126
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: And he said something He's like, I never get it.

1127
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: He said yeah.

1128
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: He said, man, I love that record too, but just

1129
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: because you love something don't mean.

1130
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 2: It's gonna sell. And I was like, damn, that's the

1131
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 2: fucking truth.

1132
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: But but yeah, man, he was, I you know, that

1133
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: was just my only encounter with Chris, but I really

1134
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: liked him.

1135
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 2: Man, I fucked with Chris. He was a straight shooter,

1136
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 2: you know.

1137
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: He you know, He's where we wanted to go.

1138
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: We wanted That's where we wanted to go for real,

1139
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: because you remember, Job was like they wanted to just

1140
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: re release the listening first, and that was.

1141
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: The problem because they them re releasing the listening means

1142
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 4: they now take some ownership, if not all, ownership of

1143
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 4: the album. And Benny Beef maybe b wasn't given that album.

1144
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 4: He wasn't given that album. And I'm sorry, Yeah, we

1145
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 4: get we had to go. We essentially had to go

1146
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: where he was comfortable going. That's how we ended up

1147
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 4: at Atlanta. Well, we would have never went to Atlanta.

1148
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: And the only reason I think, well, I wan't to

1149
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: say the only reason I know, a big reason why

1150
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: he chose Atlantic was because Atlantic let him keep his

1151
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: vinyl rights. So Atlantic let him continue to press the

1152
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: all the LB vinyl, but they retained the rights for

1153
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: everything else.

1154
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: And so that was how we ended up at Atlantic.

1155
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 5: That's almost unpressing in it that did he press anything

1156
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 5: up for the second album other than loving it.

1157
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 2: Twelve minutes. There was a minstrel show Vinyl. I think

1158
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: there was.

1159
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: Mister Show Vinyl, and I think it was a it

1160
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 4: was another single. I gotta look through my records.

1161
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: I think a single.

1162
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 4: Again again, I think again. Yeah, and then and then

1163
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: he reissued the listening in the Mystery Show.

1164
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: A couple of years ago. It's like a year or

1165
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: two ago.

1166
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't he had a courtesy to send us in

1167
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: me of this fabulous reissues?

1168
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 4: Vinyl ain't paying us.

1169
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: Play Boy could have gave us some Vinyl ship that

1170
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: gold minor look good, it looks, it looks fasty.

1171
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 4: You know.

1172
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: I have to ask you a question, which is like, like,

1173
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: I know, as not not trite, but as you know,

1174
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: as it not meaning something today as it once meant

1175
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. But did it mean anything to

1176
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 1: you to see those four and a half mics in

1177
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: the source head?

1178
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it meant everything.

1179
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything, Yeah, seeing the four and a half, seeing

1180
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: you know we got four on the listening because again

1181
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: this was something that you know, this is pre like

1182
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: you know social.

1183
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: Media, you know, for the blocks took over.

1184
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I mean we were literally hearing about this,

1185
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: so it will be like, yo, your words that y'all

1186
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: got four in the source, Like what, nigga?

1187
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: What? And then you see it.

1188
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: I remember like going to the you know, grocery store

1189
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: and buying the source and you see it and it's

1190
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: like holy shit, like this is really it's a real thing.

1191
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: And and I got like the hip hop quotable and

1192
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: that to me was like holy shit because I grew up.

1193
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what did you get quotable for? I

1194
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: got it twice. I got it one.

1195
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: The first time I got was for the Yo Yo,

1196
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: and then the second time I got it was course

1197
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: my verse on the off for you off a Mister show,

1198
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: And that to me was just like man, holy shit.

1199
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: You know that was a moment. So yeah, that ship

1200
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: meant a lot back then. That should have been a

1201
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: whole lot.

1202
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1203
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: I tried to act like four and a half mics

1204
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: on me nothing like, but you know it's still hanging

1205
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: on my wall.

1206
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 4: No, four and a half is the real five. I mean,

1207
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: me and you talked about this a lot, but four

1208
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: and a half is the real five.

1209
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: It is. It is absolutely so with.

1210
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: In hindsight, how was the Mentell Show experience? Because there

1211
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: was so much expectations and so much was happening.

1212
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: I meant like Hove was co.

1213
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: Signing you guys, like everybody was, like all the stars

1214
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: were aligned.

1215
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, what happened? Man?

1216
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 3: So have you been watching the Last Dance Bulls documentary?

1217
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: I just got them watching it, Okay, So I watched

1218
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: it at eight o'clock this morning.

1219
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: So the thing about it is like at the time,

1220
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: we only knew what we saw. So it was just

1221
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 4: like you just see the you know, them going for

1222
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 4: the the you know, the third championship in the row

1223
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 4: for the second time, but you don't see all all

1224
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 4: of the underlying stuff that's going.

1225
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: On during that time.

1226
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 4: It's just like, Yo, the concentration the motherfuckers had was amazing.

1227
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 4: And I look at the Mintroll Show, it wasn't that dramatic,

1228
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: but it was dramatic enough for us. You know, I

1229
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 4: was twenty four five years old at the time, hadn't

1230
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 4: really experienced a lot, and we're trying to record this album,

1231
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 4: major label, trying to keep maintain our sound, dealing with

1232
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 4: our own shit as a group at the time, because

1233
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 4: that was when the group really started to splinter during

1234
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 4: that time, and so you got all that happening, and

1235
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: then you have this album that people at the label

1236
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 4: say they excited for, but you know there's some trepidation

1237
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 4: because of the title, and nobody, all the white people,

1238
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 4: they don't want to deal with this shit.

1239
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask, Okay, so is this Craig Kelman

1240
01:01:53,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: or or Julie or like what era of Atlantic Craig.

1241
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: And jew When? When when death Jam took over?

1242
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: Yes?

1243
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 4: Or Kevin It's it's right, it's at the takeover. It's

1244
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 4: at the Death Jam takeover Warner. And so the real

1245
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 4: problem started before the ink was dry. On our contract

1246
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 4: with Atlantic. Robert Reef too low.

1247
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 1: If you say, if you say his whole name, then

1248
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: this might not be good. He's gonna say it was

1249
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: it was Reefed there because he would seem like your

1250
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: biggest man.

1251
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 3: Well he started there.

1252
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 4: And then when we went into his office after the

1253
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 4: deal was done, we saw the boxes in there.

1254
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: And he was on the way out. But it was

1255
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: it was. It was nothing more telling.

1256
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 4: Then we pulled up for a meeting one time and

1257
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 4: we were walking into the building in New York. Were

1258
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 4: walking into the building and Rob and Reef is coming

1259
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:55,959
Speaker 4: in at the same time.

1260
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 3: And he waiting at the desk. We're about to go upstairs.

1261
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 4: We're like, yo, what you doing? He said, Man, I

1262
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 4: gotta wait to get to get let up our A

1263
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 4: and R right because he was no longer They let

1264
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 4: him get A and R of the album, but he

1265
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: wasn't no longer.

1266
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: He was no longer employed.

1267
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: Man's was not an employee of it. Like and this

1268
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: how you this is how you're finding out.

1269
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: Yes, we found out. We found out Reef was fired

1270
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: when we came.

1271
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: Just like Boo said, we came to the building and

1272
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, we realized that he had to get buzzed

1273
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: in just like we had to get buzzed and we're like.

1274
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: What the fuck. So then we get up to his

1275
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 2: office and we see all the boxes, be like, Nigga,

1276
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: like you really fired.

1277
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: Out this bitch, and you know, and he was, I mean,

1278
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: I actually funny thing. We actually saw Reef in New

1279
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: York like last year. We was kind of doing our

1280
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: press run and I mean it's all love. I mean,

1281
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: it's you know, it was you know, I mean, everybody

1282
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: had to do what they had to do at that time.

1283
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: So it was no like hate or nothing like that.

1284
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: It was it was it was all love.

1285
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: But but yeah, reef bound that was when he bounced

1286
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: something with the Shady right we went to He wouldn't.

1287
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: I think he?

1288
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 4: I know he ended up over Shady Shade for five

1289
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 4: But it was just one of the things where we

1290
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 4: were in the building.

1291
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: We're new.

1292
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 4: They don't know what to do with us, really because

1293
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 4: we're unlike what they have or what they what they

1294
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 4: had and we don't have an a n r uh

1295
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 4: our marketing guy James Lopez who now runs the Will

1296
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,439
Speaker 4: Packer Productions. Uh so, James Lopez was marketing. He ended

1297
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 4: up being our marketing, our an R our cheerleader.

1298
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 2: All we had him.

1299
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: Punching bag Rodney Johnson Johnson.

1300
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask is was Rick Morales there yet?

1301
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: Or was this before he came to?

1302
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 4: Jay Brown ended up being there right before we left

1303
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 4: because Jay Brown was Loupe's A and R.

1304
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: It's like the Hollywood shuffle of music, Like literally def Jam.

1305
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: And Shady are just that's all. It was switching characters.

1306
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, Julie too, man, Julie always was in our

1307
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 4: corner and she and she was with whatever, like as

1308
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 4: long as we came in and showed her that we

1309
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 4: was passionate about what we wanted to do.

1310
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 3: She was witty. So shout out to Julie Green Walk.

1311
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: Okay, so I love the title the minstrul Show, but

1312
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: humor me, why did you decide to go with the

1313
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: minstrel show?

1314
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 3: Because we couldn't call it nigga music.

1315
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: You wanted to call that, we wanted to call it.

1316
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: We was like, man, what we call this ship nigga music?

1317
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: And that was like the running we were with it.

1318
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: I think that might have lasted for like three weeks.

1319
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: And then we realized, Okay, we can't call it autum.

1320
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 3: They're not gonna let us do that. We didn't even

1321
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: think they won't let us do.

1322
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: But we nigga music in the pocket. It's like we

1323
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: did want to call it nigga music to make the wait?

1324
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: Was there any red flax?

1325
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: Like wait a minute, I don't know because and oftentimes

1326
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't have to explain to white people what minstrel

1327
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: see is and they.

1328
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: Never know what it is.

1329
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: And then like they're already in the middle of you know,

1330
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: the swamp, So like, what were people thinking at the time?

1331
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 2: Man, at the time, I think they were.

1332
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the one thing I got to give Atlantic

1333
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: credit for you know, they let us do us. And

1334
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: so my main thought in going into the Minstrel Show,

1335
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: particularly once we you know, signed to Atlantic, My whole

1336
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 1: thing was, we got to show our fans that we.

1337
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: Can still do us on a major label, because.

1338
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: Around that time, you know, signing to a major label

1339
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, it was kind of the

1340
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: kiss of death, you know what I mean. If you

1341
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: heard that your favorite band signed to a big label,

1342
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: the first thing as a music fan is your mind

1343
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: is like ah man in a scope, about the fuck

1344
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: they should have Atlanta, about the fuck they should up,

1345
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So our whole thing was, well,

1346
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: man first and foremost, we got to show our fans

1347
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: and we can still beat us, you know, unapologetically us

1348
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: on a major label.

1349
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 2: And so Atlantic they stood behind that.

1350
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, it was a gamble and you know, and

1351
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: they let us the record that y'all hear. That is

1352
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 1: the exact record that we took out of our computer

1353
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: in Durham and put out to the world. And you know,

1354
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: from the stories I've heard just from so many cats

1355
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: on uh you know labels, that is something that rarely happened.

1356
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: Certainly didn't. It wasn't happening back then, you know what

1357
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1358
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: And we learned it using real facilities this time around,

1359
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: this was same thing. It was the same. We still

1360
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: recorded that one. I think by this time we weren't

1361
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,439
Speaker 1: recording in Comanche's crib no more. We had the chop

1362
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: shop by that point.

1363
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, we actually had an office space that we dubbed

1364
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 4: the studio and it.

1365
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: Was the same ship.

1366
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 4: Set up, same setup, just a communal space and not

1367
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 4: someone's apartment.

1368
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was the exact same setup.

1369
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,479
Speaker 1: We had a computer, we had uh, we had a mic,

1370
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: we used the.

1371
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 2: Road, we had monitors was Likens.

1372
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 4: The same, the same mic that I have in my

1373
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 4: my setup right now is the mic we recorded the

1374
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 4: Mynstry show, Get back.

1375
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: All that on.

1376
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: But mix wise, uh, Guru, mix it at a real

1377
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: basically mix the baseline.

1378
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 3: You mix that baseline.

1379
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: That was probably like the only kind of upgrade I guess,

1380
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just that, you know, Google,

1381
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: he mixed the baseline. But everything else, Man, that ship

1382
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: was straight out of our computers, and you know that

1383
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: was that was what it was. And I think we

1384
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: learned a valuable lesson too. You know, when you ask

1385
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: about you know, what was the climate like in terms

1386
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: of us calling it the minstral show or whatever. I

1387
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: don't even know if the people around, if the if

1388
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: you know, the Julie and Craig and all them, I

1389
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: don't even think they got too much into the politics

1390
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: of it. I think they were just like, Yo, this

1391
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: is something new. These guys are buzzing. Let's just throw

1392
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 1: it out and see what happens. And one of the

1393
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: things that we learned that you know, me and Pooh

1394
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: learned and Pool was even doing now like in his

1395
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: uh career as a manager. You know, we we were

1396
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: very self contained. So we came to a label and

1397
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: in our mind we thinking like, yo, we got our

1398
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 1: artwork done, we got our music done, we know who

1399
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: we want to master, Like we came in with all

1400
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 1: that shit already, and in our minds it's like, yo,

1401
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: we're making the job of the label easier. But what

1402
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: really happens is that you don't have anyone to root

1403
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: for you because they don't have no one can lay

1404
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: a claim to your success, like no one can.

1405
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 5: Say they're not personally invested in it.

1406
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 1: They got no investment, they got no skin in the game,

1407
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: So you know, that's one of the things that for

1408
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: us it was like hell yeah, but it up being

1409
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: a liability when trying to come into the measure label

1410
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: system because everybody is trying to look for a leg up.

1411
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: Every A n R nigga want to be VP, every

1412
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: mail room nigga want to be an A n R.

1413
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: So everybody's looking for that thing to hold on to

1414
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: that's going to be the star to take them somewhere else.

1415
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 1: And if they can't hitch their wagon to your star,

1416
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: then they don't give a fuck.

1417
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 3: Man.

1418
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 4: I still remember we gave Sycamore so much. We gave

1419
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,759
Speaker 4: him the petty that Babyface gave Teddy Riley the other night.

1420
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 2: Like Sycamore down with uh Sycamore?

1421
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 3: Is the DJ? Sycamore was it?

1422
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 2: What are you wrong with?

1423
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 3: I remember who he ran, but I just know he was.

1424
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: He was fresh, He was fresh A and R over there.

1425
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 4: And because the crazy thing is Hip Hop wanted to

1426
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 4: be our an R.

1427
01:10:56,520 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 3: But Craig Callman wouldn't let us go over.

1428
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 4: With hot because Hop and G had the office over there,

1429
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 4: and Hop was like, YO, give me them, give me

1430
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 4: Saigon and it was somebody else and Craig Carman wouldn't

1431
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 4: do it, so he ended up giving us the Sycamore.

1432
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 3: And I remember us going to New York.

1433
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 4: We was working on I think, yeah, it became Get Back,

1434
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 4: and we went up there and we just had we

1435
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 4: were just so off put the Sycamore, man like.

1436
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 3: Man, we know what the fuck were doing.

1437
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 4: Man, I don't even know why we're up here with

1438
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 4: you no taking us off round all these producers and

1439
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 4: shiit nigga.

1440
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: We don't need these.

1441
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:34,680
Speaker 4: Niggas, Like, I don't remember that attitude that we had, man.

1442
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 4: And I was like, just like like you said, just

1443
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 4: thinking back on it as as a manager now with

1444
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 4: an artist that signed to Dreamville and the Scope and

1445
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 4: another one on indie label Mellow Music, I just I

1446
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 4: understand now how.

1447
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 3: Off putting we were.

1448
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 4: And we didn't even allow them to treat us like

1449
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 4: stars like that was a big thing I noticed as well,

1450
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 4: because we were so self con we didn't allow them

1451
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 4: to pamper us, if you will, and that is very

1452
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 4: off put and to label folk, yeah, because.

1453
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: They because the thing is man like and the other

1454
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 1: thing too, Like I just kind of saw is like

1455
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: how much the the record industry, you know, at that time,

1456
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,480
Speaker 1: and I mean even certainly now how much it perpetuates

1457
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: dysfunction and how much it requires that ship in order

1458
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: to remain a business model. Because you know, like we

1459
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: were saying earlier, you know what made the sign the deal.

1460
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: Nigga was poverty, Like niggas was broke and shit.

1461
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: So like when I saw you know, you know, a

1462
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, months ago, whatever, when when Meg

1463
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: was going through that ship with her label and all

1464
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: that shit came out and they were talking about Meg

1465
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: the Stallion and her deal, and everybody was just, oh, well,

1466
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, why don't you just get a lawyer and

1467
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: why don't you just get this Yeah, And it's like, Nigga,

1468
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: you don't understand the consequences that the artists are living

1469
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: in when they signed these fucking contracts, you know.

1470
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to think.

1471
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: Two three years down the line when nigga rent is

1472
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: about to be due on the first, So you know

1473
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: what I mean, So you can't you know the circumstances

1474
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: of what you signed this shit. You know, the record industry,

1475
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: the shit is, the shit is pretty much a goddamn

1476
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: glorified payday loan, you know what I mean, it's more

1477
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: predatory lending than anything else, you know what I mean.

1478
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: So poverty and dysfunction, that shit is baked into their

1479
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: business model. So in a lot of ways, it again,

1480
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: it becomes a liability if you're an artist that is

1481
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: self contained, know what you want, show up on time,

1482
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 1: do your job, just do it whatever, because at that

1483
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: point they have nothing. They can't control you with nothing.

1484
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: And we were those dudes, like we just didn't give

1485
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: a fuck. We was just like, yo, we make the

1486
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: music we want to make. If we don't get this

1487
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: look or that look or that look, who fucking cares.

1488
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: But when you're a part of that bureacracy, you can't

1489
01:13:59,160 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 1: be like that.

1490
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: So let me ask if.

1491
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: If say the outcome of the Menstreal Show turned out

1492
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: to be more rosier than what happened, Uh, what we

1493
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: would you guys have delved into your next step, which

1494
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 1: was like uh, I mean for Pooh was like the

1495
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: Sleepers project, Fonte, You're you're making Foreign Exchange, uh with Nikola,

1496
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: like you're doing these side projects, still committed to the well.

1497
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: I mean, then there's ninth departure, so his leaving to

1498
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: do more production and whatnot, like your your next step

1499
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: was splintering up and taking a break for a while.

1500
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 1: But had the outcome been different, would you guys have

1501
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: even chartered off into the territory or the.

1502
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 4: The the outcome, And the funny thing is the outcome

1503
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 4: of the Minstry show didn't even weigh in because the

1504
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 4: first for in Exchange and my album, my Sleepers album

1505
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 4: were done.

1506
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 2: It was already done.

1507
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 3: Four. Yeah, that was done before.

1508
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought, I've been sure. It was two thousand and.

1509
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 3: It was five, two thousand and five, four.

1510
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five, okay, okay, and Sleepers came out

1511
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: in February of five.

1512
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 2: I forgot when that first Connecting Connected came out in four.

1513
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 1: It was it was like all four, I want to say, yeah,

1514
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: And we were working on those records like with each other.

1515
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was never a thing of like, you know,

1516
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: if Pool's like, I'm working on a record, I need

1517
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: a verse for that, all right, cool, I jump on it.

1518
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: He jumped on you know, Foreign Exchange records. So there

1519
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: was always you know, me just kind of being a

1520
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: student of the game. I always saw the groups that

1521
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: allowed themselves to kind of do their own thing. They

1522
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,720
Speaker 1: seemed to work a lot better, you know what I mean,

1523
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: Like even with like Gang Star was kind of my

1524
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: example where Pream was doing remixes for everybody, but Guru

1525
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: had Jasmin tasks like that was his own thing that

1526
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: he did, and then they came together and do Gang Star,

1527
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: And so that was always my thought. So when it

1528
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: came for us doing side projects and solo stuff, even

1529
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 1: went ninth with all the stuff he was doing, we

1530
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 1: were all very much a part of that and we

1531
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 1: championed that. Okay, So without making this you guys's audio obituary,

1532
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 1: so then you all right? So I actually want to

1533
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: cut in Tarantino this skipping in the future because I

1534
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: don't know the story of after me begging and begging

1535
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: and publicly begging. We've talked about this story before in

1536
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 1: the salone episode of me trying to wield a little

1537
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: brother reunion into existence.

1538
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 2: But what was the straw that at least.

1539
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: That unbroke the camel's back for you to be like, okay,

1540
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: like what.

1541
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: You down? You down?

1542
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 3: I think it was just us becoming friends, Like.

1543
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 4: We just had to take time to after we didn't

1544
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 4: speak for a while, We just had to take time

1545
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 4: to just become friends. And that just really and honestly,

1546
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 4: like for almost two years, we didn't discuss making no

1547
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 4: music together. We didn't discuss It was more like, yo,

1548
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 4: how you doing in life? Like what's going on in

1549
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 4: your life?

1550
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 2: And then.

1551
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: Eventually once we did that show the next day, it

1552
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 4: was just it was unspoken, like I went to take

1553
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 4: house to pick my money up and he was like, yo,

1554
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 4: I'm cooking. He said, I'm cooking. I said, I'll stay.

1555
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna turn down

1556
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,759
Speaker 4: the free meal. And we just was talking before everybody

1557
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 4: else pulled up, and it was just one of those

1558
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 4: things it's like, man, how you feel?

1559
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,639
Speaker 3: It was like, shit, I feel good? How you feel?

1560
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

1561
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,680
Speaker 1: So now I want to go back a little bit.

1562
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: How hard is it to walk away? Because for me,

1563
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,639
Speaker 1: I know, for me and Tarique, like, yes, we were

1564
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,320
Speaker 1: birds of a feather, best friends in high school, spending

1565
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: night each other's couches, you know whatever, do everything together,

1566
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: and then we start a business with each other, and

1567
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: we're just slowly now we're just slowly now now that

1568
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 1: we're inching to fifty, we're slowly now inching back to

1569
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: where we were when we were fourteen and fifteen, But

1570
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 1: there was a period between.

1571
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 2: Ages twenty three to forty seven.

1572
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: In which we were very committed business partners and it

1573
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: was like, no matter what, this group is not dying,

1574
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: which doesn't make for good chemistry if you're you know,

1575
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: if you're making creative products. So it's playing together for

1576
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: the kids, Yeah, is.

1577
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: Defeat.

1578
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: Did you feel a sense of like a dream deferred?

1579
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: Once it was like, okay, this group is officially a

1580
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: rap and just put it on the shelf and you'll

1581
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: go that way and I'll go this way.

1582
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 2: I'll let you goo. Uh.

1583
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 3: I think for me that didn't hit till later.

1584
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 4: At the time when we stopped speaking, I think I

1585
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 4: was just I was so pissed, and I think we

1586
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 4: were so just frustrated at just a bunch of things

1587
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 4: and turn each other that it was more like fuck

1588
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 4: that ship, I'm gonna show this nigga. And later on

1589
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 4: it started to really sink in, like, yo, I think

1590
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 4: we fucked up, but it's too late to.

1591
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 3: Turn back now.

1592
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, path, Yeah, it was.

1593
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, I think, you know, at the time,

1594
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: when we you know, just said fuck it, I was

1595
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: just tired, you know what. I mean, and I just

1596
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: you know, we had spent so many years just kind

1597
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: of in a pressure cooker together, just album mixtape tour, mixtape,

1598
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: album tour, and I was just fucking exhausted, man. And

1599
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: uh So at the time when we said, you know,

1600
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: it was over, I was like, Okay, well, you know,

1601
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: we hadn't really been, you know, because because lot of

1602
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 1: people asked, well, if the record, if you think if

1603
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,639
Speaker 1: the record would have sold better, y'all would have stayed together.

1604
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: The thing about it, at the time when we broke

1605
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: up in Old Well ninth left and O seven and

1606
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: then we improved.

1607
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 2: Twenty ten.

1608
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 1: At that time, that was when we were seeing some

1609
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: of our best shows. So you know, after get Back,

1610
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: that was when we got a really big black audience.

1611
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: So our shows were still going up. Like I you know,

1612
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: we were doing really good business on the road, and

1613
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, we could have kept you know, going out

1614
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 1: there and getting that money. But I think it was

1615
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: a combination of just exhaustion and then just it wasn't fun,

1616
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: Like we just weren't enjoying each other, We weren't enjoying

1617
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,840
Speaker 1: the experience. We were literally just coming on stage just

1618
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: rap rap, rap, And then we would go off in

1619
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: two separate directions. And for me, you know, I mean,

1620
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta make money. Money is important. But

1621
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: the minute this shit started feeling like a job, nigga,

1622
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm gone. I didn't get in this shit because.

1623
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to work a job. I could have kept

1624
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 2: my job, you know.

1625
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 1: I got in this to, you know, make a living

1626
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 1: and be around people I love and us build something together.

1627
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: And once it shit became work, it was like, man,

1628
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 2: fuck this.

1629
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,600
Speaker 4: And for me it was, like I said, it was

1630
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 4: just I think for me, it was just hard just

1631
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 4: looking at the scene at the time and it was like, Yo,

1632
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 4: this shit is wide. This is what we fought all

1633
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 4: them fucking years for is to get to this point,

1634
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 4: and we got here. We're the man in the cave

1635
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 4: that all we had to do was hit that take

1636
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 4: that pitchfork and hit.

1637
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: That dirt one more time, and the diamond the diamond.

1638
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 3: But we turned around and walked away where that where

1639
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 3: that guy?

1640
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 4: Like, That's that's how I felt, just how everything turned around,

1641
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 4: and I was just like, damn, we we missed an

1642
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 4: opportunity there. But like you said, man, we just exhausted, man,

1643
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 4: just with each other, with the situation with just everything.

1644
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 4: It was just like, man, I just need time to

1645
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 4: go be free over here by myself or doing some other.

1646
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 2: Shit and get back.

1647
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 1: But that was our last album, We Owe ABB And

1648
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: after that that was like freedom. I felt freedom in

1649
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: a way that I hadn't felt in a long time.

1650
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: And that was when I met I was like, nigga,

1651
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: fuck a label, Like fuck we out this deal. We're

1652
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 1: free of Atlantic abb Man, fuck this ship. And that

1653
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: was when me and Nick form FIEW Music after that. Okay,

1654
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: all right, so everyone that listens to the show knows

1655
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: Fonte's disdain for me holding on tightly to politically correct

1656
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 1: non gotcha questions.

1657
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: Go in something we talk about whatever. We're in the

1658
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 2: age of the Rona, Nick.

1659
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: Now the age of the Roma.

1660
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: So should I will publicly into the future a reunion

1661
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 1: of the original unit of this group. Well, I can

1662
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: tell you this, damn you already started.

1663
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: You can, you can, you can, you.

1664
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 4: Can say out loud and put into the air as

1665
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 4: much as you want, brother emir, I can tell you

1666
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 4: what ain't gonna happen.

1667
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,879
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, listen, listen, but wait, okay.

1668
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,719
Speaker 3: Listen, I listen.

1669
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: Hear me.

1670
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 3: I know my ass already, but I listen.

1671
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:10,879
Speaker 2: Because I believe.

1672
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, for those that never heard the salone episode, I

1673
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: went on Twitter, I think in I was at least

1674
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: at Fallon at the time.

1675
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 2: It's like twenty twelve thirteen. It nah, this was later

1676
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 2: than that. This was this is about twenty.

1677
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 3: This when.

1678
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 4: This is when you got yeah, oh yeah, that was

1679
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 4: about twelve thirteen is I decided, you know what I'm

1680
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 4: gonna will.

1681
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm a publicly will a little Brother reunion for the

1682
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 1: greater good. You know, the road to Hell's paid with

1683
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: great intentions. Facts I put it. I put a tweet

1684
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: out there. I was like I want little I forget

1685
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 1: the exact wording, but it's like I'm willing a little

1686
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 1: brother union because damn it I needed And you know,

1687
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: Fante kind of did the.

1688
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 4: You when.

1689
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, man, chill, don't do that.

1690
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: Chill. I tried, I tried. I tried to defuse the bomb,

1691
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: and you did it. Like yo man, my wife and

1692
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 1: my wife was here like like what are you doing?

1693
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: Like that sort of thing right right right. He gave

1694
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 1: an example of like, yo, man, this is like me

1695
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: putting out there like you and Salons and da da

1696
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: da da da. And then Slan saw our name says

1697
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: wait wait me and a mirror what and then it caused.

1698
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 2: What a time I saw? I saw all that. That's all.

1699
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we weren't even talking at that time. We

1700
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: were talking at that time, but that ship went off.

1701
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 2: That was crazy.

1702
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 1: My whole point was that this still happened, and you

1703
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: said it would never happen, So that's had never happened.

1704
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 3: Oh, back back to my answer. That was a nice story, like.

1705
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 4: This is the thing this, yeah, this is this is

1706
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 4: the thing we when we came back this time, we

1707
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 4: realized the fundamental differences as men and you can't get

1708
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 4: past that fact, like he is who he is, we

1709
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 4: are who we are, and we see things differently than

1710
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 4: the way he does, and the clarity is there.

1711
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 3: And that's just it.

1712
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 4: Like because for me, what the thing I always said

1713
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 4: about little brother, even when we weren't talking, when we

1714
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 4: weren't making music, the magic in the music was that

1715
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 4: it was our relationship.

1716
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 3: It wouldn't the fact that T Dope, I'm dope night

1717
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 3: beasts for Dope. It's our real relationship.

1718
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 4: It's the way we approach records, the way we made

1719
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 4: records you can hear the joy in the records.

1720
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 3: In our later records, you can start to not hear

1721
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 3: that joy. A little by little, it was gone.

1722
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 4: And so when we came back to do which ended

1723
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 4: up being made a little watch, me and Tay had

1724
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 4: a talk and it basically was like, listen, man, we here.

1725
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 3: To do this for each other. We here to have

1726
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 3: fun doing this shit, and nigga anything more than that,

1727
01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 3: we ain't. It's whatever, like we ain't here for it.

1728
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: And we realized very quickly that we saw things that

1729
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 3: way he did not. And so it's just like, yo,

1730
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 3: we're good, like we're good, like we're good.

1731
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: When when's the last time you guys have spoken to ninth?

1732
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen, the twenty for me and you bro, it

1733
01:27:59,000 --> 01:27:59,639
Speaker 2: was twenty eighteen.

1734
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 3: You was twenty eighteen. For me it was twenty nineteen.

1735
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 3: It was March twenty nineteen.

1736
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was around the time Nip died and yeah, yeah, yeah, Marsh,

1737
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah it was to March sween nineteen. Yeah for me

1738
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: at twenty eighteen, the last the last time we actually

1739
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 1: saw each other like saw saw each other was yeah, yeah,

1740
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 1: come back article festival.

1741
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So August twenty eighteen. That was the last time

1742
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: we saw each other.

1743
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: And that performance was just someone saying, hey, who was missing?

1744
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: Who was supposed to Royce y? Yeah, Royce Man. Who

1745
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: was the person that was the point person who reached

1746
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: out to him? It was so's my man Suleyman Massi.

1747
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:46,880
Speaker 1: He's a promoter and he runs now he owns the

1748
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: Article festival with the music festival that goes on down

1749
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: here in Durham. And Royce Miss's Flight and me and Suleiman,

1750
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: you know, we had a working relationship. He had booked

1751
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 1: for an exchanged a bunch of times, so we knew.

1752
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 2: Each other just you know, over the years.

1753
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: And so he reached out to me and was like, yo, man,

1754
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Royce Smist's Flight, do you want to do a solo set?

1755
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: And I'm literally at home in you know, a T

1756
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: shirt and my boxers, just like doing nothing. And I said, well,

1757
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: let me check and see if it's even possible. So

1758
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: I ended up making the calls. I called reached out

1759
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: to Flash it was my two DJ. First he didn't

1760
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: get answer for him, so then I reached out to

1761
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: Knife and me and Knife had been hanging in Durham

1762
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: that previous night, so I hit him.

1763
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 2: I was like, hey, man, suleymn hit me by wanting

1764
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 2: to do this this show. You know, would you would

1765
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: you DJ for me? He was like, yeah, I'll DJ

1766
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 2: for you.

1767
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 1: And I said, man, you know it'd be crazy, man,

1768
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: what if we get Pool involved in this shit?

1769
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 2: And he was like, ah, hell, I mean he was.

1770
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: He was super reluctant about it, but you know, I

1771
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of twisted his arm and he was like,

1772
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: all right, cool, you know, I'll do it. And I

1773
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 1: called Pooh and hit suleit mine back and we got

1774
01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: everything sorted out and so that all came together within

1775
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 1: the matter of three four hours.

1776
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it was super super fast. And that was it.

1777
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean that was kind of what started it. And

1778
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 2: that was the last time.

1779
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: And at the end and at the end, it wasn't

1780
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: like yeah, I enjoyed that, It was absolutely yeah.

1781
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 3: I mean the funny the funny part about it was

1782
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 3: foreshadowing in life. I didn't see him when it was over.

1783
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 4: Me and Tate no, no, lie, no bullshit like me

1784
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:31,560
Speaker 4: and Tate walked back up to the to the to

1785
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 4: the RVs which were our trailers, and he didn't because

1786
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 4: he went down there to the stage before we did,

1787
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 4: and he didn't go back up when we went up,

1788
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 4: and I ain't seen him since we walked off that stage.

1789
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 4: We took like two pictures together, and then I was like, man,

1790
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 4: fuck this, I ain't got to stay down here taking

1791
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 4: all these pictures.

1792
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 3: We're going going upstairs to get drunk like, and Tate

1793
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,640
Speaker 3: was like, Nick, I'm going upstairs too, And we went

1794
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 3: upstairs and I didn't. I haven't seen him since. Like, no, lie,

1795
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 3: no cat, as the young people say, no cap, not a.

1796
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 2: Cat, not a cap at all, No cap, no fedora,

1797
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 2: no none of that ship. Because all right, man, twenty

1798
01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 2: twenty two, I'm getting you all, life coach. We don't

1799
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: need one man. Were good not for this.

1800
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to have a life coach,

1801
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 1: just talk about childhood trauma and shit like that.

1802
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 2: We talking about that.

1803
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 3: That's that's something totally different. We're good on this, don't

1804
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 3: We don't work this out.

1805
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: We don't go all the way out. Okay, all right,

1806
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: I feel you, man, you know you? Hey hey, no, no, no, no,

1807
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 2: I'll take that. Look this this is a little this

1808
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 2: official Little Brother reunion. I'll take it.

1809
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: The album's banging. You're happy to have been a part

1810
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: of it, thank you. So what happens? Uh? Okay, So

1811
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 1: obviously we're in the edge of the runa now where

1812
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: all the breaks have suddenly halted on our professional lives.

1813
01:31:53,960 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: And you know what happens now is this time for

1814
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: a new album?

1815
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 2: Is it?

1816
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 3: We're making it through the rona man. That's all.

1817
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 2: That's all you can do right now, one day at

1818
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 2: a time, one day.

1819
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 4: You know, people always ask us about another album. Man,

1820
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 4: it's one for us. It's just one of them things where.

1821
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 2: It's like, let's be like, you're lucky you got the

1822
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 2: one you got.

1823
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 3: Not only that, but like we.

1824
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 2: Both have just a lot of other things that we

1825
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 2: have going on.

1826
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 4: And you know, like I managed full time, so luckily

1827
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 4: Big Dough my partner, so he was able to pick

1828
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 4: up a lot of that slack and and.

1829
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 2: What is that into now? Who being a manager being

1830
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 2: a suit Listen, man.

1831
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, bro.

1832
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 4: This ship is this ship well you can't see him

1833
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 4: in the camera, but I got a lot of grades

1834
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 4: down here now, a lot of grades.

1835
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: Man.

1836
01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 3: It's you know, it's for me. It's just one of

1837
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 3: them things.

1838
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1839
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 3: I just love music and I love the.

1840
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 4: Guys that I have, and I believe in them full force,

1841
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 4: and I just want to see them accomplish some of

1842
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 4: the things that they want to accomplish, if not everything.

1843
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 4: So I'm here, I'm right or die. That's why I

1844
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of clients. Man, like I gotta

1845
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:12,680
Speaker 4: I gotta feel goosebumps when I hear you for the

1846
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 4: first time. And all these guys, I had that feeling.

1847
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 4: But it's hard, man, it's stressful. It's three it's three

1848
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 4: different people, three different personalities, three different levels in their

1849
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 4: careers right now.

1850
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,640
Speaker 1: But you're using You're using the wisdom all of it

1851
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: that you all right, everything that you have.

1852
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,480
Speaker 2: But this is the thing. How old are the thirty.

1853
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 3: Thirty, thirty, thirty one and twenty four.

1854
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: Young? Yeah?

1855
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 3: And this is this is the thing I tell people

1856
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 3: I have.

1857
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 4: I have a lot of wisdom, right, I have a

1858
01:33:51,240 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 4: lot of wisdom, But this is their careers. So I

1859
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,519
Speaker 4: don't I don't rule with the iron fists.

1860
01:33:58,640 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm more of a.

1861
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 4: Let's have a conversation about whatever the situation is. Let's

1862
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:06,839
Speaker 4: way to pros the cars. I'll give you my advice.

1863
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 4: I'll give you some you know, some anecdotes. If I

1864
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 4: have any but at the end of the day, you

1865
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 4: have to make a choice for you because it's your

1866
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 4: career and I'm gonna ride whatever that choice is, whether

1867
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 4: I agree or not, but it has to be your

1868
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 4: choice because you gotta go out here and sell it.

1869
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: Shit Exactly. We were always kind of on some when

1870
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 1: it came to us dealing with other acts whatever. We

1871
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: were always kind of on some tigos to the Runner shit,

1872
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:32,639
Speaker 1: just in the sense of, you know, like he said,

1873
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 1: it's like, I can have my thoughts about it, but

1874
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: if it's a song you believe in, you the one

1875
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: that's got to walk out here on this shit, not me.

1876
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 2: It's it's your name that's attached to it.

1877
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 1: So I could hate the fucking song, But if you

1878
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 1: love it and this is what you believe in, then

1879
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:48,519
Speaker 1: I'll stand behind you on it because it's you the

1880
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 1: one that's got to sell it, and it's gonna follow you.

1881
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 4: It's gonna follow you. I think the best thing for me,

1882
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 4: the best thing for me and my position is I

1883
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 4: have a legacy. See that's cemented. Whether I stopped today

1884
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 4: and just go back to being Thomas Jones and go

1885
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,719
Speaker 4: work at the airport or some ship like my legacy

1886
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:13,520
Speaker 4: is cemented already, so I don't have that fear.

1887
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 3: Of the fuck up. And it's just like, yo, let's

1888
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,639
Speaker 3: let's let's go, let's.

1889
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,600
Speaker 4: Go fast, let's go hard, and if we suck up

1890
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 4: along the way, it's gonna happen. Mistake's going to hunted

1891
01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 4: and mistakes going ten. There's two different type of mistakes.

1892
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 4: Let's go on hunting and that's.

1893
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 3: Just what we do.

1894
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was thinking.

1895
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: We had Jimmy jam on you know, the other day,

1896
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: and you know, he was talking about how his wife,

1897
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, how he got involved in the Grammys and stuff,

1898
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 1: and it was his wife that was telling him like, Yo,

1899
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: this is what you're supposed to be doing now, you

1900
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And that really resonated with me

1901
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 1: because it kind of reminded me. I think that was

1902
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 1: a lot of what me and Pool would have conversations

1903
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: with about. Made the Little Watch one of the earliest

1904
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:01,679
Speaker 1: conversations we had. After we finished the record. The first

1905
01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 1: thing we thought about was, Okay, who can we help, Like,

1906
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,439
Speaker 1: now that we've done this, how can we use this

1907
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 1: new platform we have to you know, jump somebody else

1908
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 1: all so help you know, someone else. And so when

1909
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: it comes to you asked about doing another album for me,

1910
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 1: you know, that record just took a lot, like it

1911
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: took everything out of me because it was so much

1912
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: we knew we had to get right. And I mean,

1913
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 1: you know, and you always, you know, not to say

1914
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: that it's ever been, you know, records that we have

1915
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 1: stepped on or like purposely just did some bullshit or whatever.

1916
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, we always put our best foot forward. But

1917
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: we made a little watch that was just a draining

1918
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: process because we did everything ourselves, you know.

1919
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,479
Speaker 2: What I mean. We cleared our samples, we were budget

1920
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: label studio, the whole nine, you know what I'm saying.

1921
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: So it just took so much out of us both,

1922
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: and I think in terms of us doing another record

1923
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,600
Speaker 1: for me, it really just came down to I just

1924
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: wanted us to do something, so where now the errors

1925
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: out of the room. So now if I just want

1926
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: to jump on a song for his album or he

1927
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: jump on song on my album, we can just do

1928
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:15,600
Speaker 1: a fucking song and that be the end of it.

1929
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: It's no more discussion of oh well what does this mean?

1930
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 1: And nigga just mean we do the song together, you

1931
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:23,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean? So we have the freedom to

1932
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: do that now. And if another record comes, if we

1933
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 1: feel like we got something else to say, you know,

1934
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 1: we can do that. But as of right now, speaking

1935
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 1: for me, I'm just kind of enjoying the piece of

1936
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: just having you know, my brother back in my life

1937
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 1: again and us being able to use our influence to

1938
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 1: help other people.

1939
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Like that's the most that's the most joy the joyous

1940
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 2: part of it for me.

1941
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 4: And we still got cities we ain't touched yet because

1942
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 4: of the role now. Man, straight up, we ain't been

1943
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,839
Speaker 4: to New York, Houston, Detroit, to Rod Boston.

1944
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,440
Speaker 3: We ain't did a show at the crib.

1945
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 4: Sits the festival, like, man, y'all ain't getting no album

1946
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 4: to that halfwy twenty five.

1947
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: Hey man, look a burden in hend a burden in hand,

1948
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 1: Beast two in the bush. I mean I wanted a

1949
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 1: new Little Brother record. You got it, I got I

1950
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: got a Christmas gift. I'm not being greedy.

1951
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 2: Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you for this man.

1952
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, oh and I always wanted to thank you

1953
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 4: Amir for I don't know if you remember, but we

1954
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 4: did a show.

1955
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 2: At the t l A.

1956
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 3: This is this is around this is the listening time.

1957
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 3: And you came to the show, and I.

1958
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 2: Know what you're talking about.

1959
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 3: I remember you said, Yo, I want.

1960
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 4: To buy some CDs from y'all and we said, okay,

1961
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 4: how many you want? You paid for thirty CDs. You

1962
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 4: left them CDs there, I did so we were able

1963
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 4: to resell them CDs money in the half, and we

1964
01:38:57,360 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 4: needed that money.

1965
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Speaker 2: So I thank you for that purpose.

1966
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 1: That's that's a very mere thing to do. But I

1967
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: think I also did it on dollars. Got niggas back

1968
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: down ninety five. All right, well, look I'm wrapping up

1969
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,400
Speaker 1: the show man. Wait, but Bill, you usually have a

1970
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: trick and thank you Bill, Yo. I want to thank

1971
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: you all for doing this show. You know, under under

1972
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 1: these circumstances, I never thought i'd get the Little Brother episode.

1973
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: But you know what, though, man on some Britain, this

1974
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: is just my mind working post edible. How poetic is

1975
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 1: it that we all met on the internet and now

1976
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: we're doing our show in.

1977
01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,600
Speaker 2: My God, can't do won't do it?

1978
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: It's only right Well on behalf of Big Pooh, font Ticolo,

1979
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 1: Boss Bill, the rest of the teams, Supreme, Liah Suk

1980
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:08,240
Speaker 1: and Steve unpaid bill and fantic.

1981
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was about to see you out

1982
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Speaker 2: getting cigarettes. Anyway, I'm back now, all you good, All right.

1983
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Speaker 1: This is quest Love and thank you for tuning in

1984
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Speaker 1: and we will see you on the next go round

1985
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Speaker 1: of Quest Love Supreme.

1986
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Speaker 2: Thank you. West.

1987
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Speaker 1: Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For more

1988
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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

1989
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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.