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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Listen and

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Speaker 1: gentlemen check it out. This is a classic QLs episode

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Speaker 1: featuring our fam Little Brother. Of course, you know they

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme Classic Little Brother. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to

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Speaker 1: another episode of Quest Love Supreme. I'm your host Quest

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Speaker 1: Love with Me. Today is Boss Bill and kind of

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Speaker 1: weird is Fontigolo on his own former podcast, As suggested,

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Speaker 1: the product sun is return and the one and only

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Speaker 1: Big Poof collectively known as Door of North Carolina's Finest

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Speaker 1: Little Brother. I'm correct, seeing duran correct? Yep, yep, and

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Speaker 1: you claim Durhman as well.

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Speaker 2: Pooh Durham claims me.

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Speaker 1: Like who's one of the tug of war of where

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Speaker 1: the genesis and little brother actually lies?

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Speaker 3: It all started at Central, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: We were students in North Carolina Central together, so Durham,

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Speaker 3: for all intents and purposes, it is the birthplace a

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Speaker 3: little brother yeah, I just I just have.

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Speaker 2: To make it clear that I'm I'm from Virginia originally

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Speaker 2: just what cities Alexandria, all through northern Virginia, but Alexandria

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Speaker 2: and Fairfax specifically.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So, I, in the attempts to treat

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Speaker 1: Fonte as a regular guest, did not assume that everyone

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Speaker 1: knows his story.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: However, I'm not that familiar with your story, pooh. So

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Speaker 1: to give us a recap or whatever, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 1: What was your entry into music?

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Speaker 2: Probably the radio, but like more importantly BMG, when they

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Speaker 2: did the uh you could get likes for a dollar

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Speaker 2: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Were you or were you scamming?

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Speaker 2: I was scamming big time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, proud Sam here. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I did it about five different times and got five

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Speaker 2: different groups of CDs. But that was probably my real intro,

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Speaker 2: just learning about so many different artists. And I had

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Speaker 2: with tapes like That's how I first heard the big

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Speaker 2: ee nas and just different artists from out of New

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Speaker 2: mean we were it was heavy Go Go influence, but

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Speaker 2: put on to Like when Ray Kwan, when he dropped

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Speaker 2: the Purple tape, he came through, did an interview. They

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Speaker 2: I was actually just talking about this with my wife yesterday, Like,

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Speaker 2: we didn't listen to music in the house. My mom

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Speaker 1: was there trickle down creativity in your life like an

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Speaker 1: If it was funky to him, he just fucked with it.

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Speaker 2: It was an escape for me. I can put on music,

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Speaker 2: in music. That's why I took to Nas like I did,

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Speaker 2: later learned that my dad is a big music head

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, is this the typical narrative for a

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Speaker 1: So I meant, was there a first draft of a crew?

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Speaker 1: Like how how do you two meet and amalgamate into

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Speaker 2: I mean we initially met, uh in a dorm room.

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Speaker 2: Tay came through in this ever ever bubbly personality to

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Speaker 2: supit a rohund he wrote for English class.

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Speaker 2: and was like, yeah, I wrote this round for English class.

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Speaker 2: just like, what you wrote that for English class? That

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Speaker 2: when he let everybody know he was quitting football as well.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know he played football, but he was quitting.

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Speaker 3: I started playing football in the sixth grade, and h

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Speaker 2: Man old man. Listen, Okay, we leave that man to

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Speaker 2: Of course, God I murdered many ms. That was one

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Speaker 2: But that was it.

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Speaker 5: I want a group to come out named acronym in

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Speaker 2: I don't get that ship way to fuck up out

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Speaker 1: Yo, man, we got went to New York. He went

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sean went back to New York. So I was like,

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Speaker 1: So but if you need me for.

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Speaker 2: Something, just I let me. That conversation changed my It

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Speaker 2: It made me work the hardest ship, Like I never

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Speaker 1: During that period. I mean, how how much would you

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Speaker 2: It wasn't serious for me. I still didn't. I still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing.

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Speaker 3: were about to go home that summer. We were about

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Speaker 3: was it two thousand, It had to be the two thousand.

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Speaker 2: It was two thousand and one, because that's the summer.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what it was two thousand and one

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Speaker 2: It was spring two thousand and one. I went to

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Speaker 1: And that end us Spring two thousand and one. That

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 3: I was scared to tell. But you know, my son

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Speaker 3: But that summer, I remember Pooh went home and that

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Speaker 1: He was rhyming. I was like, nigga, you shit sound good?

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Speaker 3: And I could just see he had really put that

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Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, like he really he really about

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Speaker 1: Okay, So where does ninth come into the equation of ninth?

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Speaker 1: Originally was man ninth? Was I met nine in ninety.

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Speaker 1: Ninety eight? It was ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So ninety eight we were moving into the dorm.

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Speaker 3: This was like, uh, you the day when everybody moves

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Speaker 3: But this is when the civilians we used to call them,

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Speaker 3: to move in, the civilians coming, and so ninth it.

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Speaker 1: Was sports and first, and then the civilians come.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yo, man, let me let me

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Speaker 3: And at that time, this was again, this is like

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, my god, you know about this too?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck you know? And so he was like yeah, man.

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Speaker 1: Waiting on this shit. And I was like, nigga, you

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Speaker 3: And from that point on, me and Knife like we

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Speaker 3: It was like, you know, I found kind of another Jedi.

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Speaker 3: So that was ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: When I met culturally, did you often have to code

441
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: switch musically to fit in with whatever social sirvece or

442
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 1: you were in? So say, if like someone's not into

443
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: most that is in your parameter in college, like who

444
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: else are you listening to? At that time?

445
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: No Limit they ran ship because I couldn't make No

446
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: Limit ran ship, bro.

447
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: Like that was for me.

448
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: It was different because so I didn't get no Limit

449
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: until I got to college because at the time that

450
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: was when we was playing football, and so all the

451
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: football players.

452
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: Like all in the locker room.

453
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 3: That was what we was bumping about it about it

454
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: the true album No Limit Soldiers, like you know, before

455
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: we went to the weight room, like we bumped that ship.

456
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 3: So that was when No Limit clicked for me because

457
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is what the music is

458
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 3: used for. It wasn't necessarily nothing. I was riding around

459
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 3: in my car playing, you know.

460
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 1: So at no point were you guys like, hey, this

461
00:23:54,240 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: is this thing called the love movement. I was a hold,

462
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, I was.

463
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: Still I was still in high school. But I mean

464
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 2: for us, it wasn't. It was just like you like

465
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 2: what you liked, and you learned from other people about

466
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: other you know, other ship. So I learned from other

467
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: people about No Limit. I learned because I was listening

468
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: to New York stuff personally. So I learned from other

469
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: people about No Limit. I learned from other people about

470
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 2: the West Coast. I had a homeboy who was from

471
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 2: Oakland originally, so he put me on to Drew Down

472
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: and Too Short and all the guys from Oakland and

473
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: and so that's how I started just taking everything in.

474
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like a if you come into the

475
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 2: circle and you be like yo, man. I listened to

476
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: you know, the Jungle Brothers, and somebody was like, man,

477
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: I'm listening to fucking n w A man. Like it

478
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: wasn't a seemed like they wasn't down on that. It

479
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: was just like, oh well, let me see what that's

480
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: talking about. And it was like a sharing experience.

481
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: It was a lot sharing, way more communal experience. We

482
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: gotten a no limit, but it was more like with binoculars,

483
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: let's see what they're doing a distance, Let's see what

484
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: they're doing. I mean when the movie came out, we

485
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: had it on the tour bus, but it's more like,

486
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 1: look at those guys. But we I didn't realize that

487
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: that ship was a culture.

488
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: It's it was a that ship. Yeah, man, Yeah, it

489
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: wasn't a movement, nigga. It was definitely a culture.

490
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Like you saw that no Limit tank.

491
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Out the way, and.

492
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: Yet the thing that's curious to me is that you

493
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: guys still decided to go to another pasture that not

494
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: travel before down there, where it could have been easy

495
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: for you guys to just go that route. I just

496
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: think that that wasn't who we were, you know, because

497
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: I've you know, I've been asked that question a lot

498
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: about you know, why we chose was the route that

499
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: we did and you know, for me, I think it

500
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: was just an extension of who we were, you know

501
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean the no limit stuff and

502
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: like a lot of the South stuff that was popping

503
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: at that time. You know, I enjoyed those records, and

504
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, they certainly had a place in my life,

505
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: but I knew I couldn't live that, you know what

506
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: I mean, And so I was like, well, the stuff

507
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: that is more connected to me in terms of, you know,

508
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: just who I am as a person and kind of

509
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: where I want to live my life. It was tribe.

510
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 3: It was calm and the roots, and you know, it

511
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: was all the stuff from that kind of native tongue tree,

512
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: and that was what felt right to us in terms

513
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 3: of making records.

514
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Now, I'll say what attracted me to you guys when

515
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I first heard of you guys was the fact that, well, first,

516
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, our listeners need to know exactly how ahead

517
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: of your time you guys were as far as I mean,

518
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: what people are doing now, as far as like do

519
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: it yourself, making records, making final products in your houses,

520
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: in your apartment, that sort of thing, which I mean

521
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: is practically unheard of. I mean, for all the folklore

522
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: of Rizza. Yeah, making the wood tanking stuff in his apartment.

523
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: He still brought those aid debts to a real studio

524
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: to polish them and all those things. So the first,

525
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, when you guys told me that all this

526
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: stuff was made in your in your dorm room and

527
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: on fruity loops and on computers and all that stuff

528
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: like that was like talking Greek to me. I how

529
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: did you guys even know? I mean, how are you

530
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: guys even pioneers of just new ways of recording and whatnot?

531
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: That's all we had, we black folk man, you know

532
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, working what you got? Like, we didn't

533
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: have no studios, We didn't have no you know NiFe,

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: didn't have no beat machine, like.

535
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, point was it like? Because even with us,

536
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, well we got to get to

537
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: a real studio one day. So like we pulled it

538
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: up our money and just went to a real studio

539
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: and no point is there.

540
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Like we heard what we had and what we were doing.

541
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: It was like fuck that studio like this is and

542
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: then were good and then too on top of that,

543
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 3: and on top of that, you remember we heard, so

544
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 3: we heard the stuff that we were making in our studio.

545
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: And then we also heard the stuff that was coming

546
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: out of the big studios at that time, right, and

547
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: that shit was garbage, And so I think that kind

548
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 3: of gave us even more confidence because we was like, Yo,

549
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 3: if we're doing this shit in our fucking in my

550
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: homies apartment and y'all niggas is going to ease.

551
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 2: You know.

552
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: It was mixed on this twenty four track or whatever,

553
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: and the music still ain't good. So I think for

554
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 3: me that was a big That was a big factor too.

555
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: That's when I realized it was the man, not the machine.

556
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: That's that's that's what that taught me.

557
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: What were the alternative group names? A little? I mean,

558
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: was it Little Brother? Just in automatic, like that's what

559
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: we are. Did you have other that was the first name? Yeah?

560
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: I think another one, The only one I can remember

561
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: was Round Midnight. I remember we had that was one

562
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: which things.

563
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: That was one we had one that we just all

564
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: knew it couldn't be used for a rap group. Flea

565
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: market Mannequins.

566
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I remember that.

567
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm still wearing that ship for something. Why.

568
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: I have no idea where that came from. I remember

569
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: that name, but I don't know what the thought of

570
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: it was. I think maybe I was like I was.

571
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: I was listening to like Google dolls and like food Fighters,

572
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: like I was into that ship. So I was trying

573
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: to think of a name that sounded something like that, but.

574
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: An alternative name that you get you all the booked

575
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: at a club, right.

576
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, a lot of pissed off people.

577
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: So what was the the the genesis of what we

578
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: now know as the listening.

579
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: At the beginning of it, man, the listening was Yeah,

580
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: by this time, this is around two thousand and one,

581
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: it's old one. Yeah, I graduated school in May and ninth.

582
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: He was by this time he was fully fledged, like

583
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: making beats. So the thing with Knife was that, you know,

584
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 3: we met in ninety eight. I didn't hear a beat

585
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: from him until like a year later. I didn't even

586
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: know he made beats. He came to my room. We

587
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: met in ninety eight. He came to my room one

588
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: day and he had He's like, yo, man, I got

589
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: something I want to play for you. He's like, yeah,

590
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: I got the black Star bootleg.

591
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I was like, word, you got that?

592
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: She's a hell yeah, And so we played the Black

593
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: Star album. We was listening to the Blackstar record, and

594
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: I was like, man, this shit crazy as hell, this

595
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 3: shit dope. And so then I didn't see ninth again

596
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: for like months at a time because.

597
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: He was in school. But I don't think he was

598
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: really in school. Yeah, he was a career student. Like

599
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: how do y'all do that? Likes yo?

600
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: If you get if you hang around the dorm, if

601
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: you can get uh, you know, if you're good with

602
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 3: somebody in the calf, you can eat. So if you ain't,

603
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: even if you ain't got no meal playing, you know,

604
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: you can get in the calf on especially on like Chicken.

605
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Day, nigga, come on anybody on Chicken Day. Every day?

606
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: Essential was like the club. I was gonna say. At

607
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: Treia School, they did not allow any rentals, wrap or

608
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: foil uh inside their cafeteria for fear that you know,

609
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: the students would steal the food and take it back

610
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: to their dorm.

611
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: Man.

612
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: Listen, man, niggas took all kind of ship back from

613
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: the dorm. We were taking so word everything.

614
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we had a takeout line in the calf

615
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: so you can come and get your food and eat,

616
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: like get it to go and lead.

617
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: Straight up, straight up but h so, yeah.

618
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: So around that time, you know, niney nine Poop ninth

619
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: wasn't on campus like that. I've just kind of see

620
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: him sporadically. But ninety he bring the Black starlebum to

621
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: my room. We listened to it, and then in ninety

622
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: nine he shows back up. And by this time we

623
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: were in a new dorm. We were in the new residence,

624
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: and so we had moved and we had like this

625
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: little sweet or whatever, and so he come and he like, yo, man,

626
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: I got some joints I want to play for you.

627
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, and I was thinking he had

628
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: like another unreleased album, and he plays. He puts the

629
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 3: tape in, plays it and I'm like, yo, this shit dope.

630
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: Who is this?

631
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, this is me? I said, word, I said,

632
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: He's like, you made these beats. He was like, yeah,

633
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: these joints.

634
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: I said, what you make them on? He said, man,

635
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: I just make him on fruity loops or well no, no, no,

636
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. It wasn't frud loops at the time. This

637
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: is even before fruit loops. He was using a program

638
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: called called beat Nah. This was even before acid. It

639
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: was called it was a program called be Box and

640
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: he was using be box and cool at it to

641
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 3: make to make tracks, and I mean again, it was

642
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: unheard of me.

643
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: I was like, nigga, what the fuck?

644
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: Like, I was really on a computer and so but

645
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: he had some joints and so one record he had

646
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: was one Beat Had.

647
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: I said, man, when you let me wrap over this?

648
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, cool, he said you really

649
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: want to wrap I said, yeah, let me wrap over

650
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: this joint. And I did a record called paper Lines

651
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: and that was like ninety nine. That was like the

652
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: first song me and him ever did together. And I

653
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: remember doing it. I played it for pool, played it

654
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: for just cats and our crew. They really they really

655
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: fucked with it. And that was that was kind of

656
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 3: when it all first started. So around the time, by

657
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: the time oh one World Around, that was when the

658
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: league had all, we was just recording so much shit

659
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: together and it was still just kind of loose. But

660
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: by this time we would had started work on a song.

661
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: It was called Speed, and originally it was supposed to

662
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 3: be me and Median. Median never shows up to the

663
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 3: studio and so Pooh was there.

664
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember if you wrote with me to the

665
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: studio that night or yeah, I think.

666
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: I think I came up on the train and I

667
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: wrote with you.

668
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we came.

669
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: We came to the studio together and I was like,

670
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: I was like, well, ship Pool here like you you

671
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 3: want to rocket? He was like, yeah, I rocket, And

672
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: so we did that song together and that was it.

673
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: That was just like the Speed.

674
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I know, that was their first joint together. That was

675
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: the very first song we put together. Oh shit, okay, okay.

676
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: So it's also explained to me who is in the

677
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Justice League? Okay, all right, I'm sorry should I say

678
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: Justice League?

679
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: That side was to remember the names, it's fifteen of them,

680
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: and also.

681
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: How do you how do you wrestle with that Justice League?

682
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: And have y'all ever had a meeting a collective meeting?

683
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: Like I talked to Rook.

684
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: I haven't taught the rook in sometimes Rook from the

685
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 3: Justice League, but it was it was always love, I love.

686
00:34:59,760 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

687
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: We met.

688
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: At one point me and Brook was talking. This was

689
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: years ago.

690
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: He was like, yo, man, we need to do a

691
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: Justice League meets Justice League, Like let's let's collab, let's

692
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 3: do some ship and we were talking about doing it,

693
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: but I know it just never happened. But it was

694
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: never no, no, smoking's first. I think we were first.

695
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: I think we were first. I think yeah, all right,

696
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: all right, all right, so so Justice League members, Okay,

697
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: so let's let's we're gonna do this the easy way.

698
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: Start with the niggas on the phone.

699
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, me, and do you have nine? Did you have

700
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Sean Dawn? You have Seambu Crisis? Uh Na Cason right

701
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: that Comanche? Hey, uh flacentriccentric Centric big legacy though leg

702
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: lega thirteen.

703
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: Were the crisis Crisis.

704
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: I said crisis.

705
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: You got crisis.

706
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: I said crisis.

707
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: You show your Allen Poe and Eggar Allan Poe or.

708
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: Said flow the flow. I said, PoCA, Yeah, I got

709
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: the flow. The reading nig I think that's it. I

710
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: think forgetting. So it's fifteen. We forget.

711
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: We got Mike Bird, we got Eccentric, we got some

712
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: of your real got some of your got Bird, got

713
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: Bird says all.

714
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: We got book saves a crisis, leg crisis. I think

715
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: what about the weight, you said, the Waight team. That's

716
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: I think we got everybody.

717
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: Median media damn median median.

718
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

719
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: Another dude that showed up intermittently like he would just vanished.

720
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: For like months at a time, and then just popped

721
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 3: back up. That was that's that's been meetings and mo

722
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: since I know him. Everybody needs your elk be in

723
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: their life.

724
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: Just shows up in here. That was him? Was it

725
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: so with speed? Like when is the official like okay,

726
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: are we a group? Or was it just like okay,

727
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: what is this?

728
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: I mean?

729
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: Is it like a relationship where you're like, you know,

730
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: like after the third date, then she's like, okay, so

731
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: what are we? We are farmers.

732
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: For that? I think like a day or two later,

733
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: like we all just kept listening to the song and

734
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: noticed the chemistry and said, hey, this sounds good. Let's

735
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: let's make a few more and see how it come out.

736
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: And a few more turned into a whole Lass album.

737
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Now I really want to now that I've established

738
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: the story for those that are not familiar, now I

739
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: want to get to my real first question because even

740
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: more than the roots, like okay, okay, granted it's like

741
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: eleven of us, but really the roots are two people,

742
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: and it comes down to me Intarique and fifty to

743
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: fifty is a little bit more easier than thirty three

744
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: or three and third. So in the beginning, are you

745
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: guys ever, like, what is the the democratic process of

746
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: how decisions are made?

747
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: Man?

748
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: At that time, I mean, it was we had I

749
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: think I thought was a fairly a good system that

750
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: got kind of you know, corroded over time. But but originally,

751
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: you know, it was the three of us. It was me,

752
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: poor Knife, and Doe was our manager. So pretty much

753
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: whenever it came down to do something, me, poor Knife

754
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: would discuss it internally, and it's three of us, so automatically,

755
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: somebody's gonna lose, you know what I mean. Sometimes I lose,

756
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 3: sometimes Pool lose, Nfe lose, whatever. But whatever it was

757
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: that we voted on, we would then go to our

758
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: manager and be like, look, this is what we agreed on,

759
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: this is what we're gonna do.

760
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: And that was it.

761
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: Once Ninth left the group, that was when things changed

762
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: and we no longer had that kind of third swing vote,

763
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: so to speak. So that was when for me, I

764
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 3: think just the group became very taxing because it was just, yeah,

765
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: it was, but yeah, particularly and hard as a twosome

766
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: at that point because at that point in time, me

767
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: and Pool hadn't really I don't think me and you

768
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: had really talked like that.

769
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: About what we wanted and about kind of at all.

770
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: We didn't have none of them conversations, so we were

771
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: just making a lot of them decisions on the fly,

772
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 3: and you know, when you don't have a third person

773
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: there to kind of help smooth things over, in some ways,

774
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: it made it really hard.

775
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: But in the beginning, that's what it was.

776
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: It was the three of us, we make a decision

777
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 3: and then just kind of told our manager what we

778
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: wanted to do with it.

779
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: So what were your initial goals for the listening? Was

780
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: it like, Okay, we'll have these collection songs, we'll try

781
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: to get a major deal too much.

782
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: It was let's do these songs, sell them ourselves, and

783
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: see what happens.

784
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, originally we was gonna do We was gonna do it,

785
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 3: put it out ourselves because I was on I think

786
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: I had like a credit card at that time, I

787
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 3: had my little Discovery card and I was we was

788
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: on disc makers and I was just running numbers. I'm like, yo,

789
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: so how much if we just press this shit ourselves?

790
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: And we moved out the trunk like I was, you know,

791
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: doing it just in my mind, and I was talking

792
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: to ninth about it. Because I remember we were in

793
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 3: We were in the computer lab at h at at

794
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: in C State. So another fun fact about this time,

795
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: which I'm just now remembering. Even though the listening was

796
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: recorded on a computer, none of us had personal computers

797
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 3: at that time. Oh like none of us had personal computers.

798
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: I didn't do get story Yo bro for real, Like

799
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 3: I didn't have a computer. Ninth ain't had one. Ninth

800
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: was using he was a courting. We was recording at

801
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: Sazar Comanche's crib and he had a compact for Sario.

802
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: So that was the computer.

803
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: So whenever I wanted, whenever I wanted to get on

804
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: like okay, player and ship nigga, that was all computer lab.

805
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: So uh, my Homie Median he was a student at

806
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: n C State but like not really a student, but

807
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 3: he had an I D.

808
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: So he was there. You know us we use Yo Reil,

809
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 1: Yeah Leroy.

810
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 2: Uh we used LeRoy's roommate, Uh, Louis Cheronis like he

811
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: was the he was the cafe Nigga pretty pretty pretty

812
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: low when we were this joint.

813
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: And and then like when I was at Central like

814
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: that that that my last year. That was when I

815
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: was I was on the newspaper.

816
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: I was an editor.

817
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: I was the arts in arts and entertainment editor on

818
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 3: our newspaper, and so I would be in a computer

819
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: lab all the time.

820
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: You know.

821
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: That's when I would get all my OK player post off.

822
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 3: But after that, I mean I was going home like nigga,

823
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 3: we have no computers at.

824
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: The crib, no cell phone?

825
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: Shit Ty didn't he have a cell phone at that time?

826
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I got my first cell phone

827
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: probably like oh, what four something like that, some shit

828
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: like that.

829
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, three four, Yeah, Boss, Bill, correct me if I'm wrong. No,

830
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: this is literally the Bill Gates story. Bill Gates' story

831
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: had a faulty ID that let him stay in the

832
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: computer lab like fifteen hours a time. To be in

833
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: the computer lab during Bill Gates day was like attaxing,

834
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: like forty dollars an hour thing, but he never got

835
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: charged for it. So then he was like, all right,

836
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay in this motherfucker for fifteen hours a

837
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: day figure out how to turn this big ass room

838
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: into a laptop. So basically, sneaking in computer labs, barring

839
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: other people's idea and whatnot, this is the Bill Gates story.

840
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: That's what I wish we made Bill Gate's money, but really,

841
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: but fate didn't have it that way.

842
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: But but no, that was it. We were just doing

843
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: those records.

844
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: So at that time, yeah, the thought wasn't you know,

845
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 3: at least for me, the thought it was just Okay,

846
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: we made this record, let's just get it out so

847
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: people can hear it.

848
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: And you know, it was just.

849
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: Like I don't think no one had a thought of

850
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: where it was gonna go. I knew my life was

851
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: gonna change. Like I can specifically remember the night when

852
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 3: we finished everything and like we had the final mix

853
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: down and sequence of the album and I just sat

854
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: outside my apartment in the car just listen to the record,

855
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: and I just I knew things were gonna change. I

856
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: just felt that we had something special. It wasn't like,

857
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: you know, yo, we're gonna be rich or we're gonna

858
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: be whatever. But I specifically remember having the feeling of

859
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: just like yo, like something is around the corner. I

860
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 3: don't know what it is, but I know something's coming

861
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: and at that time, and we just wanted people to

862
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: hear it. That was the only that was the only

863
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: mo What was.

864
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: The first sign of that, of that assurance was it

865
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: like your first out out of state show. Was it

866
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: like a mentioned in the source or like, what was

867
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: that moment where it was like, oh, ship happened.

868
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: I think for me it was when uh, when Benny

869
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: b got in touch with us, just to have somebody

870
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: Benny B from ABB Records.

871
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so that was not your label, No, No, not

872
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: at all at all.

873
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: I thought that ABB was your Now ABB was Benny

874
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 3: b Uh from the Bay Area. They they had put

875
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: out like a lot of dilated people's twelve ines. That

876
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 3: was kind of their claim to fame, uh, dillate people's

877
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 3: the far Rye. They had put out like just a

878
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: lot of stuff and they were known for just moving vinyl.

879
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

880
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 3: And that was how a buddy of ours, a promoter

881
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 3: out this way bum rush DJ bum rush.

882
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

883
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: He had to connected abb Ian Davis, I D and

884
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: I D heard our stuff on the narre from all

885
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: of us. We had posted on Okay player and all

886
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: that shit, and we had the little site that was

887
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: when Bossville had the John he had the Yeah, it's

888
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: like he posted up to join us up on there.

889
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: So it was just kind of spreading and so I

890
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: G I D from A dB A B b caught

891
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: wind of it and reached out. The bum rusher was like, Yo,

892
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: you gotta line on these little brother dudes, and I

893
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: d caught my crib you know what I'm saying one day, and.

894
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: That's how we started talking.

895
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: And that was how the ABB relationship, Uh, that was

896
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: how we came to sign with them.

897
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: So, Bill, were you the okay player that officially introduced

898
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: okay player to introduced a little brother to Okay player?

899
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 4: I guess, but I mean I got it through von

900
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 4: p from currently a Tania Morgan and like Vaughn hooked

901
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 4: me up with Eccentric and the Centric sent me like

902
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 4: the Beasts for Love joint revisited and like so I was.

903
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 4: I was a Ninth Wonder fan first and then I

904
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: didn't even know about these two until later, Like I

905
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 4: think I heard speeding away from me, like maybe not

906
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 4: maybe like a week or two after that, and then

907
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 4: I was like.

908
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: Damn, what is this ship? Slot funked us too. He

909
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: was another one.

910
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: He was the one that really cause again we had

911
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: no computers, let alone a way to build a website

912
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: or none of that ship. So Slot was the one

913
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 3: that had he had built like a little site for us,

914
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: and he was like, yo, I can put some joints

915
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: up for y'all.

916
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: I was like cool.

917
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: And I was working at Blue Cross Blue Shield at

918
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: the time, and he would call me, you know.

919
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: We would we would he would well he would DM

920
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: me or PM.

921
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: Me as we would call it back then, and he

922
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 3: was like, yo, man, like y'all joints just crashed my server.

923
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: I gotta like everybody been coming this ship. I was

924
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: like word for real.

925
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: And we just had like three folks songes up there.

926
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: So slop was a big, a big part of that.

927
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 3: Was it you and Ninth or you and Pool or

928
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: were you alone?

929
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: Would you?

930
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I went to the Greensboro show.

931
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I didn't go to that one, Okay. All I remember

932
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: was that we were doing a show and it was

933
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: about to rain, and and said we should cancel this

934
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: show because it's electric and whatever. And I'm like, dude,

935
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: you wear Timberland's like no one's you ain't getting let

936
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: you cuted, and he like protested that I think he

937
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: didn't play this show or like walked off stage earlier

938
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: or something shit, And I felt bad and I did

939
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: something very uncharacteristic, like I'm never the guy that like

940
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: goes in the audience and like, hey, how you doing.

941
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: Thanks for you know. But some sit said, all right,

942
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: go out there and shake hands for the first time

943
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: in your whole career. And I did it, and you

944
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: put it in my hand. You reminded me that this

945
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: was the little brother I read about. Okay player, oh

946
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: wow wow ok And normally, you know, normally anybody hands

947
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: me disc is instant, uh, you know, coffee table coaster

948
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: for me.

949
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: For instance, about to break up my droll on your CD, nigga,

950
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 3: I just I just thought it trash.

951
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 5: Right now.

952
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: I can't do that. I just leave it back backstage.

953
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I'm kind of proud of my

954
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: track record like something. I was going to leave it

955
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: backstage and I looked at it, and I don't know

956
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: if it was the fact that you're handwriting like the

957
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: the your your your front or whatever. You really Yeah,

958
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: some spoke to me. I'm like, yo, he really puts

959
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: some effort into this homemade uh this artwork. I was like.

960
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: And I went back picked it up and listened to it,

961
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, like I'm poor lone

962
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: jealous of this, like like this ship and and like yeah,

963
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: like I'll say that I've only you know, Jill Blow,

964
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: Slum Village, Cody Chestnut and you guys. I'm sure I'm

965
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: missing somebody else. But like something told me to listen

966
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: to that shit, and that shit like that changed my life, man,

967
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: because I personally didn't think I would at that time.

968
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: I was concerned because there was the idea of a

969
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: group existing was becoming endanger and in dangerous species. And

970
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, a real group, not not a

971
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: bunch of soloists. And you know, from there then I

972
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: just saw the word spread and spread and spread. So

973
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: when it like, what was the decision to not go

974
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: the slow and steady route and like, let's get it real,

975
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: let's get a deal through atlantic and poverty. So as

976
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: your own record label, all right, so what is it

977
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: back then? What was what were the roadblocks and the

978
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: potholes in being your own record label?

979
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: You should have yeah, distribution, you didn't have directed consumer

980
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: back then. But I think for for I can speak

981
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 2: for me on this my decision. I think if abb

982
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: if that experience would have been a better experience for us,

983
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have been a thing of well, man, let's

984
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: go get this deal we'd have been it would have

985
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: been more like shit, we good where we at, but

986
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 2: the experience wasn't good because so, yeah, that makes the

987
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: experience terrible. We still haven't gotten paid, So can I ask?

988
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask, Let me ask, all right? So that

989
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: it came out on two thousand and two, two thousand

990
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: and three, Yeah, two thousand and three. Okay, So had

991
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: technology as we knew now in twenty twenty been available

992
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: in two thousand and two, two thousand and three, would

993
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: this had been a different outcome? Very different, very different.

994
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have fuck personally, I wouldn't have.

995
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: Fucked with no label had we had it, you know,

996
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: had we back then, you know, we already had the

997
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: means of our own production.

998
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: So we owned our means of production.

999
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: We could make it ourselves, you know, if we had

1000
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: a straight pipeline that we could get it directly to

1001
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: our fans and see the money back.

1002
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: Man, fuck a label, straight up. But that was but poo.

1003
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: But you made a great point, you know, when you

1004
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: you know, you ask about what made us make that jump.

1005
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 3: You know, I really think an agree one hundred percent

1006
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: that had it, if our indie experience would have been

1007
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: better and we would have actually been like paid fairly

1008
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 3: and you know, according to our contract. If we would

1009
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: have actually been compensated for our work on an indie label,

1010
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 3: I think we would have been much.

1011
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: More hesitant about signing to a major.

1012
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: But at that time, you know, we we put out

1013
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: the records and you know, you're hearing all this buzz

1014
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 3: and you know, everybody's saying, oh, man, y'all about to

1015
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: blow up, y'all do this whatever. So then Atlantic comes knocking,

1016
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: and it was a bunch of labels that wanted to

1017
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 3: sign us at that time, but that kind of fed.

1018
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: Uh well, Mike Karen reached out first, but we were

1019
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: we were told, we got the word not to deal

1020
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: with him. So like we ended up.

1021
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 3: We met with Warner, We met with Jive, and then

1022
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: we met It's Warner and then it was Warner because

1023
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 3: Tom Waller. That's when we met Tom Wally.

1024
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: Tom Wally, we met with Rest of Peace, Chris Lighty

1025
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 2: and Peter THEO and.

1026
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: Jive to throw something. Yeah yeah, Chris Lighty, man, he

1027
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: came to.

1028
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 2: Me and to the club, took us to the crowd

1029
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: house and.

1030
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: Lighty yeah, like the thing was, Man, I'll never forget

1031
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: this ship. Man.

1032
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 3: I remember being in there and because this is around

1033
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: the time of Chris Lighty, like g Unit Holland on records,

1034
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 3: Chris Lighty, right, So the thing was, man. So we

1035
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: went into the meeting. We had a meeting at Jive,

1036
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: and you know, Chris Lighty comes in and we're all

1037
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: sitting there at the table. It's Chris Lighty, it's me

1038
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: Pooh Doe, our manager at the time, and Wayne Williams

1039
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 3: DJ Wayne Williams out of Chicago.

1040
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: We're all sitting in there. Williams from R Kelly, Yes, yes, yeah.

1041
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: R Kelly chosen a few DJs, Wayne Williams, you know

1042
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So he's in there, and so, man,

1043
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: so we we talking and stuff and and I remember

1044
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 3: Chris saying he was like, you know, man, I listened

1045
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: to y'all album and he's like, Yo, it tells the

1046
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: whole story. He's like, it's not just singles. He's like,

1047
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: you know, it tells a whole story. And you know,

1048
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 3: I really think I love what you guys are doing.

1049
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: I think, you know, we can push it. And I

1050
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: was just sitting there. I was like wow, and he

1051
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 3: was like, you know, man, I remember he's like. He

1052
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: was talking about fifty and he was like, you know,

1053
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: the whole thing with fifty was get ready to root

1054
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 3: for the bad guy. That was our whole marketing scheme.

1055
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, it's like the movie Payback.

1056
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 3: And he was like, yo, I like this guy.

1057
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: I like this guy.

1058
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: You know, like it was funny. He said, yo, I

1059
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: like this guy. And I said, yeah, it was like that.

1060
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 3: He was like yeah, He's like, you know, that was

1061
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: my whole thing with fifty. And he said, but I

1062
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: really like y'all. He said, y'all are like different from

1063
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: everything else that's out and y'all really cut through the clutter.

1064
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: And he was talking. He started talking about his time

1065
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 3: at Death Jam. I never get this shit. He was like, yo,

1066
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: he said, man, you know when I was at Death Jam,

1067
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: he said. You know, I was fresh off the Mister

1068
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 3: Smith album, so I was the prince of Death Jam.

1069
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 3: He was like, I could do whatever I wanted, he said.

1070
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: And so the next record I signed was this this

1071
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: record called Crew now Me. You know, hip hop fucking

1072
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: rap NERD. I'm like, Nigga CW.

1073
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, Dirty thirty. I love that fucking album.

1074
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: And he again he was like, yeah, I like this guy.

1075
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: I like this guy. I say this, I like this guy.

1076
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: I said, nah, man, Dirty thirty that was the shit,

1077
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: and he said something He's like, I never get it.

1078
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: He said yeah.

1079
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: He said, man, I love that record too, but just

1080
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 3: because you love something don't mean it's gonna sell.

1081
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, that's the fucking truth. But

1082
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, he was.

1083
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 3: I you know, that was just my only encounter with Chris,

1084
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: but I really liked him. Man, I fucked with Chris.

1085
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: He was a straight shooter, you know.

1086
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: He you know, he's where we wanted to go. We

1087
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: wanted that's where.

1088
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 3: We wanted to go for real, because you remember, Job

1089
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: was like, they wanted to just re release the listening first,

1090
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: and that was.

1091
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 2: The problem because they them re releasing the listening means

1092
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: they now take some ownership, if not all, ownership of

1093
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: the album. And Benny Beef maybe b wasn't given that

1094
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: album up. He wasn't given that album up.

1095
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, Yeah, I guess we had to go.

1096
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: We essentially had to go where he was comfortable going.

1097
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: That's how we ended up at Atlanta, or we would

1098
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 2: have never went to Atlanta.

1099
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: And the only reason I think, well, I won't to

1100
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: say the only reason I know, A big reason why

1101
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 3: he chose Atlantic was because Atlantic let him keep his

1102
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 3: vinyl rights so atant and let him continue to press

1103
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: the all the LB vinyl, but they retained the rights

1104
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 3: for everything else.

1105
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: And so that was how we ended up at Atlanta.

1106
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: That's almost unpressing in it.

1107
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 4: That did he press anything up for the second album

1108
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 4: other than loving it twelve minutes.

1109
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: There was a minstrel show vinyl. I think there was Mister.

1110
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: Show vinyl, and I think it was a it was

1111
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: another single. I gotta look through my records. I think

1112
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 2: it's a single.

1113
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: Again again.

1114
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then he reissued the listening in

1115
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 2: the Mystery Show a couple of years ago.

1116
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: It's like a year or two ago.

1117
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't he had a courtesy to send us in

1118
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: me of this fabulous reissues. Vinyl ain't paying us play

1119
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: Boy could gave us some vinyl ship that look good?

1120
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: It looks it looks snasty.

1121
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1122
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: I have to ask you a question which is like, like,

1123
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: I know, know as not not trite, but as you know,

1124
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: as it not meaning something today as it once meant

1125
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: back in the nineties. But did it mean anything to

1126
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: you to see those four and a half mics in

1127
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: the source?

1128
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: Head all, yes, yes, it meant everything.

1129
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, seeing the four and a half, seeing you

1130
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: know we got four on the listening because again this

1131
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: was something that you know, this is pre like you know.

1132
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: Social media, you know, for the blocks took over. Yeah.

1133
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I mean we were literally hearing about this,

1134
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: so it will be like, yo, your words that y'all

1135
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: got four in the source, Like what, nigga?

1136
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: What?

1137
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: And then you see it.

1138
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: I remember like going to the you know, grocery store

1139
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 3: and buying the source and you see it and it's

1140
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 3: like holy shit, like this is really it's a real thing.

1141
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 3: And and I got like the hip hop quotable, and

1142
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 3: that to me was like holy shit, because.

1143
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: I grew up. Wait a minute, what did you get

1144
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: quortable for? I got it twice. I got it one.

1145
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 3: The first time I got it was for the Yo Yo,

1146
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 3: and then the second time I got it was of

1147
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: course my verse on the Off for you Off show.

1148
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: And that to me was just like man, holy shit.

1149
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 3: You know that was a moment. So yeah, that shit

1150
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: meant a lot back then. That should been a whole lot.

1151
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried to act like four and a half

1152
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: MIC's on mean, nothing like the story, but you know

1153
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: it's still hanging on my wall. No, four and a

1154
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: half is the real five. I mean, me and you

1155
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: talked about this a lot, But four and a half

1156
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: is the real five. It is. It is absolutely.

1157
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: So with.

1158
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: In hindsight, how was the mentreal show experience? Because there

1159
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: was so much expectations and so much was happening. I

1160
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: meant like Hoove was co signing you guys, like everybody

1161
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: was like all the stars were aligned, Like at the

1162
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: end of the day, what happened?

1163
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: Man? So have you been watching the Last Dance Bulls documentary?

1164
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I just got them watching it, Okay, So I watched

1165
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: it at eight o'clock this morning.

1166
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: Ok So, the thing about it is like at the time,

1167
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 2: we only knew what we saw.

1168
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: So it was just like you just see the.

1169
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, them going for the the you know, the

1170
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 2: third championship in the row for the second time, but

1171
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 2: you don't see all all of the underlying stuff that's

1172
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: going on during that time. It's just like, Yo, the

1173
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: concentration the motherfuckers had was amazing, And I look at

1174
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: the Mystery Show. It wasn't that dramatic, but it was

1175
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: dramatic enough for us. You know, I was twenty four

1176
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 2: to twenty five years old at the time, hadn't really

1177
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 2: experienced a lot, and we're trying to record this album

1178
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 2: major label, trying to keep maintain our sound, dealing with

1179
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: our own ship as a group at the time, because

1180
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,959
Speaker 2: that was when the group really started to splinter during

1181
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: that time. And so you got all that happening, and

1182
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 2: then you have this album that people at the label

1183
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: say they excited for, but you know, there's some trepidation

1184
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: because of the title, and nobody, all the white people,

1185
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 2: they don't want to deal with this ship.

1186
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask, Okay, so is this Craig Kelman

1187
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: or or Julie Like what era of Atlantic.

1188
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 2: Craig and Julie? When when when Death Jam took over? Yes?

1189
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: Or Kevin It's it's right, it's at the takeover. It's

1190
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: at the Death Jam takeover Warner. And so the real

1191
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: problem started before the ink was dry. On our contract

1192
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: with Atlantic. Robert Reef too low, I Rea.

1193
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: If you say, if you say his whole name, then

1194
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: this might not be good. He's gonna say it was

1195
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: it was Reefed there because he would seem like your

1196
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: biggest man.

1197
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: He started there. And then when we went into his

1198
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: office after the deal was done, we saw the boxes

1199
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: in there and he was on the way out. But

1200
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: it was it was, It was nothing more telling. Then

1201
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: we pulled up for a meeting one time and we

1202
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 2: were walking into the building in New York. We walking

1203
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: into the building and Rob and Reef is coming in

1204
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 2: at the same time, and he waiting at the desk.

1205
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: We're about to go upstairs. We're like, yo, what you're doing.

1206
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: He's like, man, I gotta wait to get to get

1207
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 2: let up our an R, right because he was no

1208
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 2: longer They let him get an R of the album.

1209
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: But he wasn't no longer. He was no longer employed.

1210
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 2: Man's was not an employee of it employee Like.

1211
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: And this how this how you're finding out?

1212
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 2: Yes, we found out.

1213
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: We found out Reef was fired when we came.

1214
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: Just like Bo said, we came to the building and

1215
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: you know, we realized that he had to get buzzed

1216
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: in just like we had to get buzzed and we're like,

1217
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:22,439
Speaker 2: what the fuck.

1218
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: So then we get up to his office and we

1219
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: see all the boxes be like Niggy, like you really

1220
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 1: fired out this bitch and you know, and he was.

1221
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I actually funny thing. We actually saw Reef

1222
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 3: in New York like last year. We was kind of

1223
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 3: doing our press run and I mean it's all love.

1224
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it's you know, it was you know, I mean,

1225
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 3: everybody had to do what they had to do at

1226
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,919
Speaker 3: that time. So it was no like hate or nothing

1227
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 3: like that.

1228
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 2: It was.

1229
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: It was it was all love. But but yeah, Reef bound.

1230
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: That was when he bounced. I think he went to

1231
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: Shady right who we went.

1232
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 2: To, or he wouldn't. I think, I know he ended

1233
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: up over at uh Shady Shade for five. But it

1234
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: was just one of them things where we we're in

1235
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: the building, we're new. They don't know what to do

1236
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 2: with us really because we're unlike what they have or

1237
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: what they what they had and we don't have an

1238
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: A n R h Our marketing guy James Lopez who

1239
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: now runs the Will Packer Productions. Uh so, James Lopez

1240
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: was marketing. He ended up being our marketing our A

1241
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: n R Our cheerleader. All we had him punching bag

1242
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: Rodney Johnson recipes to Rodney Johnson.

1243
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: Wait can I ask is was rig Morales there yet

1244
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: or was this before he came to Rigg? He was?

1245
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: Jay Brown ended up being there right before we left

1246
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: because Jay Brown was Lupe's A and R.

1247
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: This like the Hollywood shuffle music, like literally def Jam

1248
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: and Shady are just that's all. It was switching characters.

1249
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: So yeah, Julie too, man, Julie always was in our

1250
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: corner and she and she was with whatever, like as

1251
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: long as we came in and show her that we

1252
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: was passionate about what we wanted to do. She was witty.

1253
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 2: So shout out to Julie Greenwalk.

1254
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so I love the title the Minstrel Show, but

1255
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 1: humor me, why did you decide to go with the

1256
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 1: minstrel show?

1257
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 2: Because we could call it nigga music.

1258
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: That you wanted to call that we wanted to call it.

1259
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 3: Was like, man, what we call the ship nigga music.

1260
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: And that was like the running we were with it.

1261
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 3: I think that might have lasted for like three.

1262
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Weeks and then we realized, Okay, we can't call it album.

1263
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: They're not gonna let us do that. We didn't even

1264
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: think they were gonna let us do show, but.

1265
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: Nigga music in the pocket. It's like, we did want

1266
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: to call it nigga music. Wait, was there any red flax? Like,

1267
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I don't know, because oftentimes I'll have

1268
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: to explain to white people what minstrel see is and

1269
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: they never know what it is. And then like they're

1270
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: already in the middle of you know, the swamp.

1271
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: So like.

1272
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: Man were thinking at the time.

1273
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 3: Man, at the time, I think they were. I mean,

1274
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 3: the one thing I got to give Atlantic credit for,

1275
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, they let us do us. And so my

1276
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: main thought in going into the Mintel Show, particularly once

1277
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: we you know, signed to Atlantic, my whole thing was,

1278
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 3: we gotta show our fans that we can still do

1279
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: us on a major label, because around that time, you know,

1280
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: signing to a major label, in a lot of ways,

1281
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 3: it was kind of the kiss of death.

1282
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1283
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 3: If you heard that your favorite band signed to a

1284
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 3: big label, the first thing as a music fan that

1285
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 3: your mind is like, ah, man in a scope, about

1286
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 3: the fuck they should up Atlantic, About the fuck they

1287
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: should up you know what I'm saying. So our whole

1288
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 3: thing was, well, man, first and foremost, we got to

1289
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: show our fans and we can still be us. You know,

1290
01:05:54,440 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: unapologetically us on a major label, and so Atlanta they

1291
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 3: stood behind that. You know, it was a gamble and

1292
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 3: you know, and they let us the record that y'all hear.

1293
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 3: That is the exact record that we took out of

1294
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: our computer in in Durham and put out to the world.

1295
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: And you know, from the stories I've heard just from

1296
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 3: so many cats on uh you know labels, that is

1297
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: something that rarely happened certainly didn't.

1298
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't happening back then, you know what I'm saying.

1299
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: And we learned it using real facilities this time around.

1300
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: This was same thing. It was the same.

1301
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 3: We still recorded that one. I think by this time

1302
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: we weren't recording in Comanche's crib no more. We had

1303
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 3: the chop shop by that point.

1304
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. We we actually had an office space that we

1305
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 2: dubbed the studio and it was the same ship was

1306
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 2: set up, same setup, just a communal space and not

1307
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 2: someone's apartment.

1308
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was the exact same setup. We had

1309
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,479
Speaker 1: a computer, we had, Uh, we had a mic.

1310
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 2: We U was the.

1311
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: Road, We had monitors, wass.

1312
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: The same The same mic that I have in my

1313
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: my setup right now is the mic we recorded the

1314
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: Mystery Show, get back all that on.

1315
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: But mix wise, uh, guru mix it a real basically.

1316
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: Mixine mix it that baseline. That was probably like the

1317
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: only kind of upgrade I guess. You know what I

1318
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 3: mean is that, you know, Google, he mixed the baseline.

1319
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 3: But everything else, Man, that ship was straight out of

1320
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 3: our computers, and you know that was that was what

1321
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: it was. And I think we learned a valuable lesson too,

1322
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: you know when you ask about you know, what was

1323
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 3: the climate like in terms of us calling it the

1324
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: minstral show or whatever. I don't even know if the

1325
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 3: people around, if the if you know, the Julie and

1326
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 3: Craig and all them, I don't even think they got

1327
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 3: too much into the politics of it. I think they

1328
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: were just like, Yo, this is something new. These guys

1329
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 3: are buzzing. Let's just throw it out and see what happens.

1330
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 3: And one of the things that we learned that you know,

1331
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: me and Pooh learned and Pool was even doing now

1332
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 3: like in his uh career as a manager. You know,

1333
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 3: we we were very self contained. So we came to

1334
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: a label and in our mind we thinking like, yo,

1335
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: we got our artwork done, we got our music done.

1336
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: We know who we want to master, Like we came

1337
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 3: in with all that shit already, and in our minds

1338
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 3: it's like, yo, we're making the job of the label easier.

1339
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: But what really happens is that you don't have anyone

1340
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: to root for you because they don't have no one

1341
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 3: can lay a claim to your success. Like no one

1342
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: can say they're not personally invested in it.

1343
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: They got no investment, they got no skin in the game.

1344
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,400
Speaker 3: So you know, that's one of the things that for

1345
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 3: us it was like hell yeah, but it ended up

1346
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: being a liability when trying to come into the measure

1347
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 3: label system because everybody is trying to look for a

1348
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 3: leg up.

1349
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: Every an R nigga want to be VP. Every mail

1350
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: room nigga want to be an.

1351
01:08:59,240 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 2: A n R.

1352
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 3: So everybody's looking for that thing to hold on to

1353
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: that's gonna be the star to take them somewhere else.

1354
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: And if they can't hitch their wagon to your star,

1355
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 3: then they don't give a fuck.

1356
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: Man. I still remember we gave Sycamore so much. We

1357
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: gave him the petty that Babyface gave Teddy Riley the

1358
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 2: other night.

1359
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: Like Sycamore down with uh Sycamore is the DJ Sycamore.

1360
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: He was was what do you wrong with?

1361
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 2: I remember who he ran, but I just know he was.

1362
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: He was fresh, he was fresh a and R over there.

1363
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: And because the crazy thing is Hip Hop wanted to

1364
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: be our an R. But Craig Callman wouldn't let us

1365
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: go over with Hop because Hop and G had the

1366
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: office over there, and Hop was like, YO, give me them,

1367
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: give me Saigon and it was somebody else and Craig

1368
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 2: Carman wouldn't do it, so he ended up giving us

1369
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 2: the Sycamore. And I remember us going to New York.

1370
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: We was working on I think, yeah, it became get Back,

1371
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 2: and we went up there and we just had we

1372
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: were just so off putting the Sycamore man, like, man,

1373
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: we know what the fuck were doing. Man, I don't

1374
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 2: even know why we're up here with you. No taking

1375
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 2: us off an all these producers and ship nigga. We

1376
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 2: don't need these niggas, like I know who that attitude

1377
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: that we had, man, and I was like, just like

1378
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: like you said, just thinking back on it as as

1379
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: a manager now with an artist that signed to Dreamville

1380
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: and in the Scope and another one on indie label

1381
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 2: Mellow Music, I just I understand now how off putting

1382
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: we were. And we didn't even allow them to treat

1383
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 2: us like stars. Like that was a big thing I

1384
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: noticed as well, because we were so self contained, we

1385
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: didn't allow them to pamper us, if you will, And

1386
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: and that it is very off putting to label folk because.

1387
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: They because the thing is man and the other thing too.

1388
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 3: Like I just kind of saw, is like how much

1389
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 3: the the record industry, you know, at that time, and

1390
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: I mean even certainly now, how much it perpetuates dysfunction

1391
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 3: and how much it requires that shit in order to

1392
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 3: remain a business model, because you know, like we were

1393
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 3: saying earlier, you know what made you sign the.

1394
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: Deal, Nigga was poverty, Like niggas was broke and shit.

1395
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 3: So like when I saw, you know, you know, a

1396
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, months ago, whatever, when when Meg

1397
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: was going through that shit with her label and all

1398
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: that shit came out and they were talking about Meg

1399
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 3: the Stallion and her deal, and everybody was just oh.

1400
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: Well, you know, why don't you just get a lawyer

1401
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: and why don't you just get this Yeah, and.

1402
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 3: It's like, nigga, you don't understand the consequences that the

1403
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 3: artists are living in when they signed these fucking contracts,

1404
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1405
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to.

1406
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 3: Think two three years down the line when nigga rent

1407
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 3: is about to be due on the first, So you

1408
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1409
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: So you can't you know the circumstances of what you

1410
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 1: signed this shit.

1411
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 3: You know, the record industry the is the shit is

1412
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 3: pretty much a goddamn glorified payday loan, you know what

1413
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: I mean. It's more predatory lending than anything else, you

1414
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So poverty and dysfunction, that shit

1415
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 3: is baked into their business model. So in a lot

1416
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: of ways, it again, it becomes a liability if you're

1417
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 3: an artist that is self contained, know what you want,

1418
01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: show up on time, do your job, just do it whatever,

1419
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 3: because at that point they have nothing. They can't control

1420
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 3: you with nothing. And we were those dudes like we

1421
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 3: just didn't give a fuck. We were just like, yo,

1422
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 3: we make the music we want to make. If we

1423
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 3: don't get this look or that look or that look,

1424
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: who fucking cares. But so when you're a part of

1425
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: that bureaucracy, you can't be like that.

1426
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,640
Speaker 1: So let me ask if if say, the outcome of

1427
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: the mental show turned out to be more rosier than

1428
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: what happened. Uh what we would you guys have delved

1429
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: into your next step, which was like uh, I mean

1430
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: for Pooh was like the Sleepers project, Fonte, You're you're

1431
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: making Foreign Exchange, uh with Nikola, like you're doing these

1432
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: side projects, still committed to the well. I mean then

1433
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: there's nine departure, so his leaving to do more production

1434
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: and whatnot, like your your next step was splintering up

1435
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: and taking a break for a while. But had the

1436
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: outcome been different, would you guys have even chartered off

1437
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: into the territory or the the outcome?

1438
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 2: The funny thing is the outcome of the Minstry show

1439
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 2: didn't even weigh in because the first Foreign Exchange and

1440
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 2: my album, my Sleepers album were done, already.

1441
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: Done fo y okay, I thought I've been sure it

1442
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: was two thousand and it was five, two thousand and five,

1443
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: four two thousand and five, okay, okay, And Sleepers came

1444
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: out in February of five. I forgot when that first

1445
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 1: Connecting Connector came out in oh four.

1446
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: It was it was like all four, I want to say, yeah,

1447
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 3: And we were working on those records, like with each other.

1448
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was never a thing of like, you know,

1449
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 3: if Pool's like, I'm working on a record, I need

1450
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 3: a verse for that, all right, cool, I jump on it.

1451
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 3: He jumped on you know, foreign exchange records. So there

1452
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: was always you know, me just kind of being a

1453
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 3: student of the game. I always saw the groups that

1454
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 3: allowed themselves to kind of do their own thing, they

1455
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 3: seemed to work a lot better, you know what I mean,

1456
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 3: Like even with like Gang Star was kind of my

1457
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 3: example where Pream was doing remixes for everybody, but Guru

1458
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 3: had Jasmin tasks like that was his own thing that

1459
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 3: he did, and then they came together and do Gang Star,

1460
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: And so that was always my thought. So when it

1461
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 3: came to us throughing side projects and solo stuff, even

1462
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 3: went ninth with all the stuff he was doing, we

1463
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:07,560
Speaker 3: were all very much a part of that, and we

1464
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 3: we championed that.

1465
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: Okay, So without making this, you guys's uh audio obituary,

1466
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: So then you all right, So I actually want to

1467
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: cut in Tarantino this skipping in the future, because I

1468
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: don't know the story of after me begging and begging

1469
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: and publicly began, We've we've talked about this story before

1470
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: in the salone episode of me trying to wield a

1471
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: Little Brother reunion into existence. But what was the straw

1472
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: that at least that unbroke the camel's back for you

1473
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: to be like, okay, like what you down? You down?

1474
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 2: I think it was just us becoming friends, Like we

1475
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: just had to take time to after we didn't speak

1476
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 2: for a while. We just had to take time to

1477
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 2: just become friends. And that just really and honestly, like

1478
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: for almost two years we didn't discuss making no music together.

1479
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 2: We didn't discuss It was more like, yo, how you

1480
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 2: doing in life? Like what's going on in your life?

1481
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: And then.

1482
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 2: Eventually once we did that show the next day, it

1483
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: was just it was unspoken, like I went to take

1484
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,400
Speaker 2: house to pick my money up and he was like, yo,

1485
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: I'm cooking. He said, I'm cooking. I said I'll stay.

1486
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I'm not going to turn

1487
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: down the free meal. And we just was talking before

1488
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 2: everybody else pulled up, and it was just one of

1489
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: them things was like, man, how you feel? It was like, shit,

1490
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 2: I feel good? How you feel?

1491
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: Okay? So now I want to go back a little bit.

1492
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: How hard is it to walk away because for me,

1493
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: I know, for me and Tarique, like, yes, we were

1494
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: birds of a feather, best friends in high school, spending

1495
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: night each other's couches, you know whatever, do everything together,

1496
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: and then we start a business with each other, and

1497
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 1: we're just slowly now, we're just slowly now now that

1498
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 1: we're inching to fifty, we're slowly now inching back to

1499
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: where we were when we were fourteen and fifteen. But

1500
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: there was a period between ages twenty three to forty

1501
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 1: seven in which we were very committed business partners and

1502
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: it was like, no, matter what, this group is not dying,

1503
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: which doesn't make for good chemistry if you're you know,

1504
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: if you're making creative products. So it's likeing together for

1505
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:04,679
Speaker 1: the kids, Yeah, is defeat. Did you feel a sense

1506
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: of like a dream deferred? Once it was like, Okay,

1507
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 1: this group is officially a rap and just put it

1508
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: on the shelf and you'll go that way and I'll

1509
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: go this way. I'll let you go. Uh.

1510
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 2: I think for me that didn't hit till later at

1511
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: the time when we stopped speaking. I think I was

1512
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 2: just I was so pissed, and I think we were

1513
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: so just frustrated at just a bunch of things and

1514
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 2: turn each other. That it was more like, fuck that ship,

1515
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna show this nigga. And later on I started

1516
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: to really sink in, like, yo, I think we fucked up,

1517
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: but it's too late to turn back now. Yeah, it

1518
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: was down this path.

1519
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.

1520
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that, I think. You know, at the

1521
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 3: time when when we you know, just said fuck it,

1522
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 3: I was just tired, you know what I mean. And

1523
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 3: I just you know, we had spent so many years

1524
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 3: just kind of in a pressure cooker together, just album

1525
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 3: mixtape tour, mixtape, album tour, and I was just fucking exhausted, man.

1526
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 3: And so at the time when we said, you know,

1527
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 3: it was over, I was like, Okay, well, you know,

1528
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 3: we hadn't really been, you know, because a lot of

1529
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 3: people asked, well, if the record, if you think if

1530
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 3: the record would have sold better, y'all would have stayed together.

1531
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: The thing about it, at the time when we broke

1532
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 3: up in Old Well, ninth Left and O seven and then.

1533
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: We improved twenty ten.

1534
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 3: At that time, that was when we were seeing some

1535
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 3: of our best shows. So you know, after Get Back,

1536
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 3: that was when we got a really big black audience.

1537
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 3: So our shows were still going up, Like, you know,

1538
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 3: we were doing really good business on the road, and

1539
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 3: you know, we could have kept.

1540
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: You know, going out there and getting that money.

1541
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 3: But I think it was a combination of just exhaustion

1542
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 3: and then just it wasn't fun, Like we just weren't

1543
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 3: enjoying each other, We weren't enjoying the experience. We were

1544
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 3: literally just coming on stage, just rap rap, rap, and

1545
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 3: then we would go off in two separate directions. And

1546
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 3: for me, you know, I mean, you know, you gotta

1547
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 3: make money. Money is important. But the minute this shit

1548
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 3: started feeling like a job, nigga, I'm gone. I didn't

1549
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 3: get in this shit because I wanted to.

1550
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 1: Work a job. I could have kept my job, you know.

1551
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 3: I got in this to, you know, make a living

1552
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 3: and be around people I love and us build something together.

1553
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: And once this shit became work, it was like, man,

1554
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:38,560
Speaker 1: fuck this.

1555
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,600
Speaker 2: And for me it was, like I said, it was

1556
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: just I think for me it was just hard just

1557
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 2: looking at the scene at the time and it was like, Yo,

1558
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: this shit is wide open. This is what we fought

1559
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: all them fucking years for is to get to this point,

1560
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 2: and we got here. We're the man in the cave

1561
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 2: that all we had to do was hit that take

1562
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: that pitchfork and hit that dirt one more.

1563
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: Time and the diamond all the diamond.

1564
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we turned around and walked away where that

1565
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 2: where that guy, Like, that's that's how I felt, just

1566
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 2: how everything turned around, and I was just like, damn,

1567
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 2: we missed an opportunity there. But like you said, man,

1568
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: we just exhausted, man, just with each other, with the situation,

1569
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 2: with just everything. It was just like, man, I just

1570
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 2: need time to go be free over here by myself

1571
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: or doing some other ship and yeah, get back.

1572
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,760
Speaker 3: But that was our last album, We Owe ABB And

1573
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: after that that was like freedom. I felt freedom in

1574
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 3: a way that I hadn't felt in a long time.

1575
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 3: And that was when I met I was like, nigga,

1576
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 3: fuck a label, Like fuck we out this deal. We're

1577
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 3: free of Atlantic abb Man, fuck this ship. And that

1578
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 3: was when me and Nick form e fie music after that.

1579
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so everyone that listens to the show

1580
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: knows Fonte's disdain for me holding on tightly to politically

1581
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: correct non gotcha questions. Go in something we talk about whatever.

1582
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 1: We're in the age of the Roman, Nick, the.

1583
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: Age of the Roman, so.

1584
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: Should I will publicly into the future a reunion of

1585
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: the original unit of this group. Well, I can tell

1586
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: you this, damn you already started. Okay, you can, you can,

1587
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: you can.

1588
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: You can say out loud and put into the air

1589
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 2: as much as you want, Brother Amir, I can tell

1590
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 2: you what ain't gonna Happensten.

1591
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, wait, listen, hear me.

1592
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,839
Speaker 2: I know my ass already, but I listen because I believe.

1593
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: Okay, for those that never heard the salone episode, I

1594
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: went on Twitter, I think in I was at least

1595
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 1: at fallon at the time. It's like twenty twelve thirteen.

1596
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: It nah, this was later than that. This was this

1597
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: is about twenty.

1598
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: This yeah, oh yeah, that was about twelve thirteen is

1599
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: I decided.

1600
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna will. I'm a publicly will

1601
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: a Little Brother reunion for the greater good, you know,

1602
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: the rof the hell's paid with great intentions. Facts I

1603
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: put it. I put a tweet out there. I was like,

1604
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: I want little I forget the exact wording, but it's like,

1605
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm willing a Little Brother reunion because damn it, I

1606
01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: need it. And you know, Fante kind of did the

1607
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 1: you when Chappelle man, I was like, nah, man, chill,

1608
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: don't do that.

1609
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 2: Chill.

1610
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: I tried, I tried. I tried to defuse the bomb

1611
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: and you did it like yo man, my wife and

1612
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: my wife is here like like what are you doing?

1613
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: Like that sort of thing. He gave an example of

1614
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: like yo, man, this is like me putting out there

1615
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: like you and salons and da da da da da.

1616
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,720
Speaker 1: And then Salon saw our name says wait wait me

1617
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: and a mirror what and then it caused what a time?

1618
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 2: I saw all that. That's all the fireworks.

1619
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1620
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we weren't even talking at that time. We were

1621
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 2: talking at that time, but that ship went off.

1622
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 1: That was crazy. My whole point was that this still happened,

1623
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 1: and you said it would never happen. So that's it.

1624
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: It never happened. Is it possibility? What were you saying?

1625
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh, back back to my answer. That was a nice story,

1626
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: like this is the thing, this is this, yeah, this

1627
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 2: is this is the thing. We when we came back

1628
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: this time, we realized the fundamental differences as men, and

1629
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 2: you can't get past that fact, like he is who

1630
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 2: he is, we are who we are, and we see

1631
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:29,520
Speaker 2: things differently than the way he does, and the clarity

1632
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 2: is there, and that's just it like, because for me,

1633
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 2: the thing I always said about little Brother, even when

1634
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 2: we weren't talking, when we weren't making music, the magic

1635
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 2: in the music was that it was our relationship. It

1636
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: wouldn't the fact that ty Dope, I'm Dope night Beast

1637
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:51,759
Speaker 2: for Dope. It's our relationship. It's the way we approach records,

1638
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 2: the way we made records. You can hear the joy

1639
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: in the records. In our later records, you can start

1640
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 2: to not hear that joy, and little, yeah, a little

1641
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: by little it was gone. And so when we came

1642
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 2: back to do which ended up being made a little watch,

1643
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 2: me and Tay had a talk and it basically was like, listen, man,

1644
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 2: we here to do this for each other, were here

1645
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 2: to have fun doing this shit, and nigga anything more

1646
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: than that, we ain't. It's whatever, like, we ain't here

1647
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: for it. And we realized very quickly that we saw

1648
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 2: things that way he did not, And so it's just like, Yo,

1649
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: we're good like we're good like we're.

1650
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: Good when when's the last time you guys have spoken

1651
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: to ninth twenty eighteen, the twenty. For me, it was

1652
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 1: more than you it bro it was twenty eighteen.

1653
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 2: You was twenty eighteen. For me, it was twenty nineteen.

1654
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 2: It was March twenty nineteen.

1655
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was right time Nip died and yeah, yeah, yeah, Marsh, Yeah,

1656
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 3: it was March sween nineteen.

1657
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah for me at twenty eighteen.

1658
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 3: The last the last time we actually saw each other,

1659
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 3: like saw saw each other was yah yeah come back

1660
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 3: Articicol Festival. Yeah, so August twenty eighteen, that was the

1661
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 3: last time we saw each other.

1662
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: And that performance was just someone saying, hey, who was missing?

1663
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Who was supposed to Royce? Yeah, Royce Man. Who's the

1664
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: person that was the point person who reached out to him?

1665
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 3: It was so's my man, Suleyman Massi. He's a promoter

1666
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 3: and he runs now he owns the ARTICLEP Festival with

1667
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,839
Speaker 3: the music festival that goes on down here in Durham

1668
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:44,560
Speaker 3: and Royce Msster's flight and me and Suleiman, you know,

1669
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 3: we had a working relationship. He had booked for an

1670
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 3: exchange a bunch of times, so we knew each other

1671
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 3: just you know, over the years, and so he reached

1672
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 3: out to me and was like, yo, man, Roycemster's flight

1673
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: that you want to do a solo set and I'm

1674
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: literally at home in you know, a T shirt and

1675
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 3: my boxer was just like doing nothing and U I said, well,

1676
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 3: let me check and see if it's even possible.

1677
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 1: So I ended up making the calls.

1678
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 3: I called reached out to Flash it was my two

1679
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 3: DJ first he didn't get answer for him, so then

1680
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 3: I reached out to Knife and me and Knife had

1681
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 3: been hanging in Durham that previous night, so I hit him.

1682
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,640
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, man, Suley Min hit me by

1683
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 3: wanting to do this this show, you know, would you

1684
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 3: would you DJ for me?

1685
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I'll DJ for you. And I said, man,

1686
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: you know it'd be crazy, man, what if we get

1687
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 1: Pool involved in this shit? And he was like, oh hell,

1688
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: I mean he was.

1689
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 3: He was super reluctant about it, but you know, I

1690
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 3: you know, kind of twisted his arm and he was like,

1691
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 3: all right, cool, you know, I'll do it. And I

1692
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 3: called Pooh and hit SULEI mine back and we got

1693
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: everything sorted out and so that all came together within

1694
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 3: the matter of three four hours. I mean, it was

1695
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 3: super super fast, and that was it. I mean that

1696
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 3: was kind of what started it. And that was the

1697
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 3: last time the end. And at the end, it wasn't

1698
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 3: like yeah, I enjoyed that. It was absolutely yeah.

1699
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 2: I mean the funny, the funny part about it was

1700
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 2: foreshadowing in life. I didn't see him when it was over,

1701
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: Me and Tate, no, no lie, no bullshit. Like me

1702
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:20,560
Speaker 2: and Tate walked back up to the to the to

1703
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: the r VS, which were our trailers, and he didn't

1704
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,439
Speaker 2: because he went down there to the stage before we did,

1705
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 2: and he didn't go back up when we went up,

1706
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 2: and I ain't seen him since we walked off that stage.

1707
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 2: We took like two pictures together, and then I was like, man,

1708
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 2: fuck this, I ain't got to stay down here taking

1709
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 2: all these pictures and going going upstairs to get drunk

1710
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 2: like and Tab was like, nig I'm going upstairs too,

1711
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 2: and we went upstairs and I didn't. I haven't seen

1712
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 2: him since. Like, no lie, no cat, as the young

1713
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 2: people say, no cap.

1714
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 1: Not a cat, not a cap at all, No cap,

1715
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: no fedora, no none of that shit, because a man

1716
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: he couk twenty twenty two. I'm getting you all life, coach.

1717
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 2: We don't need one man.

1718
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: Were good.

1719
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 2: Not for this.

1720
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to coaches talk about childhood

1721
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 3: trauma and ship like that, we talking about that.

1722
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: That's something totally different. We're good on this. You don't

1723
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 2: work this out.

1724
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: We don't go all the way out. Okay, all right,

1725
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: I feel you, man, you know, no, no, no, no,

1726
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: I'll take that. Look, this is this is a little

1727
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: this official Little Brother reunion. I'll take it. The album

1728
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: is banging. You're happy to have been a part of it.

1729
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: So what happens?

1730
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 5: Uh?

1731
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Okay, So obviously we're in the edge of the rona

1732
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 1: now where all the breaks have suddenly halted on our

1733
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 1: professional lives. And you know what happens now is this

1734
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: time for a new album?

1735
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 2: Is it making it through the rona?

1736
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: Man?

1737
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 2: That's all that's all you can do right now, one

1738
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 2: day at a time.

1739
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, one day.

1740
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 2: You know people always asks about another album. Man, it's

1741
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,799
Speaker 2: one for us. It's just one of them things.

1742
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 1: Where it's like, let's be like you're lucky you got

1743
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: the one you got.

1744
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 2: Not only that, but like we both have just a

1745
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: lot of other things that we have going on, and

1746
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 2: you know, like I manage full time. So luckily Big Dough,

1747
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 2: my partner so he was able to pick up a

1748
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 2: lot of that slack and.

1749
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: And what is that into now? Who being a manager

1750
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: being a suit Listen.

1751
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Man, let me tell you something, bro. This ship is

1752
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 2: this ship well you can't see him in the camera,

1753
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 2: but I got a lot of grades down here, now, man,

1754
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 2: got a lot of grades. Man, it's you know, it's

1755
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 2: for me. It's just one of them things. Man. I

1756
01:31:44,120 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 2: just love music, and I love the guys that I have,

1757
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 2: and I believe in them full force, and I just

1758
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 2: want to see them accomplish some of the things that

1759
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: they want to accomplish, if not everything. So I'm I'm here,

1760
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm right or die. That's why I don't have a

1761
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: lot of clients, man, Like I gotta I gotta feel

1762
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 2: goosebump when I hear you for the first time. And

1763
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: all these guys I had that feeling. But it's hard, man,

1764
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 2: it's stressful. It's three it's three different people, three different personalities,

1765
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 2: three different levels in their careers right now.

1766
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 1: But you're using you're using the wisdom all of it

1767
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 1: that you all right, but that you have. But this

1768
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: is the thing.

1769
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: How old are the thirty thirty thirty thirty one and

1770
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1771
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: Young.

1772
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is this is the thing I tell

1773
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: people I have. I have a lot of wisdom, right,

1774
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 2: I have a lot of wisdom, but this is their careers,

1775
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: so I don't I don't rule with the iron fists.

1776
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 2: I'm more of a let's have a conversation about whatever

1777
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: the situation is. That's way to pros the cars. I'll

1778
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 2: give you my advice, I'll give you some you know,

1779
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 2: some anecdotes if I have any. But at the end

1780
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 2: of the day, you have to make a choice for

1781
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: you because it's your career, and I'm gonna ride whatever

1782
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 2: that choice is, whether I agree or not, but it

1783
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 2: has to be your choice because you gotta go out

1784
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 2: here and sell it.

1785
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:11,799
Speaker 1: Shit exactly.

1786
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 3: We were always kind of on some when it came

1787
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: to us dealing with other acts whatever. We always kind

1788
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 3: of on some tigos to the runner shit, just in

1789
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 3: the sense of, you know, like he said, as like,

1790
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 3: I can have my thoughts about it, but if it's

1791
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 3: a song you believe in, you the one that's gotta

1792
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 3: walk out here on this shit, not me.

1793
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,720
Speaker 1: It's it's your name that's attached to it. So I

1794
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: could hate the fucking song.

1795
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 3: But if you love it and this is what you

1796
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,160
Speaker 3: believe in, then I'll stand behind you on it, cause

1797
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 3: it's you the one that's gotta sell.

1798
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: It, and it's gonna follow you.

1799
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna follow you, right. I think the best thing

1800
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: for me, the best thing for me and my position

1801
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:52,719
Speaker 2: is I have a legacy that's cemented. Whether I stopped

1802
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 2: today and just go back to being Thomas Jones and

1803
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 2: go work at the airport or some shit, like, my

1804
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 2: legacy is cemented already, so I don't have that fear

1805
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 2: of the fuck up. And it's just like, Yo, let's

1806
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:09,880
Speaker 2: let's let's go, Let's go fast, let's go hard, and

1807
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 2: if we suck up along the way, it's gonna happen.

1808
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: Mistakes going to hunted and mistakes going ten. There's two

1809
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 2: different type of mistakes. Let's go on hunting and that's

1810
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 2: just what we do.

1811
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was thinking that.

1812
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 3: We had Jimmy jam on you know the other day,

1813
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 3: and you know, he was talking about how his wife,

1814
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 3: you know, how he got involved in the Grammys and stuff,

1815
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 3: and it was his wife that was telling him like, Yo,

1816
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 3: this is what you're supposed.

1817
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: To be doing. Now, you know what I mean?

1818
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 3: And that really resonated with me because it kind of

1819
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 3: reminded me. I think that was a lot of what

1820
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 3: me and Pool would have conversations with about. Made The

1821
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 3: Lord Watch one of the earliest conversations we had. After

1822
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 3: we finished the record. The first thing we thought about was, Okay,

1823
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 3: how can who can we help, Like, now that we've

1824
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 3: done this, how can we use this new platform we

1825
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 3: have to you know, jump somebody the l fall so

1826
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 3: help you know, someone else. And so when it comes

1827
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 3: to you asked about doing another album for me, you know,

1828
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,959
Speaker 3: that record just took a lot, Like it took everything

1829
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:14,880
Speaker 3: out of me because it was so much we knew

1830
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 3: we had to get right. And I mean, you know,

1831
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 3: and you always, you know, not to say that it's

1832
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:21,840
Speaker 3: ever been, you know, records that we have stepped on

1833
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 3: or like purposely just did some bullshit or whatever.

1834
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we always put our best foot forward.

1835
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 3: But we made a little Watch that was just a

1836
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 3: draining process because we did everything ourselves, you know.

1837
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: What I mean.

1838
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 3: We cleared our samples, we were budget label studio, the.

1839
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Whole nine, you know what I'm saying.

1840
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 3: So it just took so much out of us both

1841
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 3: and I think in terms of us doing another record,

1842
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 3: For me, it really just came down to I just

1843
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 3: wanted us to do something, So where now the errors

1844
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 3: out of the room. So now if I just want

1845
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 3: to jump on a song for his album, well he

1846
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 3: jumped on song on my album. We can just do

1847
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 3: a fucking song and that be the end of it.

1848
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 3: It's no more discussion of oh, well what does this mean?

1849
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 1: And nigga just mean we did the song together, you

1850
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So we have the freedom to

1851
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:13,280
Speaker 1: do that now.

1852
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 3: And if another record comes, if we feel like we

1853
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 3: got something else to say, you know, we can do that.

1854
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 3: But as of right now, speaking for me, I'm just

1855
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 3: kind of enjoying the peace of just having you know,

1856
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 3: my brother back in my life again and us being

1857
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 3: able to use our influence to help other people.

1858
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: Like that's the most that's the most joy the joyous

1859
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 1: part of it for me.

1860
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 2: And we still got cities we ain't touch yet because

1861
01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:44,120
Speaker 2: of the role No man, straight up, we ain't been

1862
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 2: to New York, Houston, Detroit, to roder Boston. We ain't

1863
01:36:49,040 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 2: did a show at the crib sits the festival, like man,

1864
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,640
Speaker 2: y'all ain't getting no album to that happen.

1865
01:36:55,600 --> 01:37:02,439
Speaker 1: Five Hey, man, burden hand a burden in hand, beast

1866
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,720
Speaker 1: two in the bush. I mean I wanted a new

1867
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: Little Brother record. You got it, I got I got

1868
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 1: a Christmas gift. I'm not being greedy. Thank you. I

1869
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you for this, man.

1870
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, And and I always wanted to thank you,

1871
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 2: Amir for I don't know if you remember, but we

1872
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 2: did a show at the t l A. This is

1873
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 2: this is around, this is the listening time, and you

1874
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: came to the show, and I.

1875
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:29,679
Speaker 1: Know what you're talking about.

1876
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I remember you said, Yo, I want to buy some

1877
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 2: CDs from y'all, and we said, okay, how many you want.

1878
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 2: You paid for thirty c ds. You left them CDs there,

1879
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 2: I did so we were able to resell them CDs

1880
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 2: money in the half, and we needed that money.

1881
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: So I.

1882
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 2: Thank you for that.

1883
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 1: That's that's a very mere thing to do. But I

1884
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: think I also did it on Donald's Got Niggas Back

1885
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:06,040
Speaker 1: Down ninety five show it all right? Well, look I'm

1886
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: wrapping up the show, man, Yo, I want to thank

1887
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 1: you all for doing this show under under these circumstances.

1888
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: I never thought i'd get the Little Brother episode, but.

1889
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 3: You know what though, man on some Brittain, this is

1890
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 3: just my mind working post edible. How poetic is it

1891
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 3: that we all met on the internet and now we're

1892
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 3: doing our show. My god, can't do do it?

1893
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 1: It's only right Well on behalf of Big Pooh, Fanticicolo,

1894
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 1: Boss Bill, the rest of the team Supreme. Yeah Sugar, Steve,

1895
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 1: unpaid Bill and oh my god, I was about to

1896
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: see you out getting cigarettes anyway, I'm back now all

1897
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 1: are you good? All right? This is a quest Love

1898
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 1: and thank you for tuning in and we will see

1899
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 1: you on the next go round of Quest Love Supreme.

1900
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: Thank yous. What's Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio.

1901
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:22,560
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1902
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,679
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