1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, trail Blazing TV journalist 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly, the best selling author of the Killing Series, 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: adds Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of Celebrity to 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: his roster of record breaking books. The Deco writes of 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: Martin Dugard, this will be the twelfth book in the series, 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: nearly all of which have become Number one New York 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: Times and national bestsellers and sold almost nineteen million copies worldwide. 8 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: And I have to say I think a Bill is 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: a close personal friend. We've done many things over the 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: years together. He is a remarkable journalist. He's an amazing guy, 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: and his range of knowledge is astonishing. And the way 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: in which he has put this whole Killing series together, 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm astonished at how well he's done with this and 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Killing the Legends his newest book, he explores the lives, legacies, 15 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: and tragic debts of three of the most famous people 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: of the twenty century, Elvis Presley, John Lennon and Muhammad Ali. 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: These three icons change the worlds of music, film and sports. 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Here to talk about his new book, I am very 19 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: pleased to welcome back my good friend Bill O'Reilly. Bill, 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: it's terrific to have you back. Thank you, missus Viaker. 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: I never take it for granted. Your audience is very 22 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: well informed. So those are the kind of people we 23 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: want to reach when promoting anything, including Killing the Legends. 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: You know, one thing in your intro that I want 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: to point out is that the reason I selected these 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: three Presley, Lennon and Ali is because they change the 27 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: way we live in America. And you saw it because 28 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: you are in that age group post World War Two 29 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: that went through the conformity of the fifties, saw the 30 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: rock Rebellion come in after Presley's at Sullivan appearance, and 31 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: then lived through the sixties in the sex drugs, rock 32 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: and roll, which we still have spear pointed by the Beatles, 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: and then into the Age of Descent spearheaded by Muhammad 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: Ali when it refused to be drafted. So you saw 35 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: all of that up close. And cultural history is underreported 36 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in this country. You know, all of my other Killing 37 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: books have been on wars or presidents Lincoln Kennedy. But 38 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: this one I wrote because it's right in my wheelhouse. 39 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: I lived it and you lived in. These three people 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: were astonishingly present in people's lives. I mean, Presley at 41 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: one point I think did a program on worldwide television 42 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: with one and a half billion people watching and was 43 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: the first person to be in that kind of a league. 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: Leonard of course with the Beatles, and then just as 45 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: a creative force was kind of remarkable. And Muhammad Ali 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: both because he was so unique and willing to stand 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: up for what he believed in, but also he was 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: such an astonishing boxer. He carried himself in a very 49 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: positive way. And I think that an impact that people 50 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: today probably don't realize how significant Muhammad Ali was as 51 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: a personality and representing sort of a kind of excellence. 52 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: I mean, all three of these people were giants. How 53 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: did you conceptualize this book, because it's a very interesting take. Well, 54 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: what I did was I always look at things from 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: a history slash journalism point of view, and I knew, 56 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: based upon my life and my job as a journalist, 57 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: that all three of these men self destructed. So they 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: were given by God extraordinary talents, and they use those 59 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: talents to become icons, wealthy, they could do whatever they 60 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: wanted to do. Yet with all that, they destroyed themselves. 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: All three in very similar ways. They will all betrayed, 62 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: and they all basically were overwhelmed by their circumstance, by 63 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: their fame. They could not handle it, which is why 64 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 1: the subtitle is the Lethal Danger of Celebrity. Now, both 65 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: you and I are celebrities. We're famous people, and we 66 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: know that we are targets and that we have to 67 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: be careful and that we have to take steps to 68 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: protect ourselves and our families. Yet a nineteen year old 69 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: from Mississippi, eighteen year old from Louisville, Kentucky, and eighteen 70 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: year old from Liverpool, England did not know that they 71 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: had no blanket idea what was about to befall them 72 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: when they became so success asful And the reason this 73 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: material attracted me was because a lot of people in 74 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: our culture in America want to be rich and famous, 75 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: and you know the old cliche, be careful what you 76 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: wish for. The three you picked not only were gigantic celebrities, 77 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: but all three came out of poverty. So all three 78 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: sort of rose within a decade or fifteen years from 79 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: not having very much to having more than you could imagine. 80 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: And I think that made it a little disorienting, if 81 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: you will. They were all disoriented and they didn't know 82 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: where to go. And they had no one around them 83 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: to give them solace, to mentor them. They didn't have 84 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: any of that. And what happened was that once they 85 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: got into a situation where they were isolated, you know 86 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: your elevits, you can't go out to dinner or ali 87 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: where every winning with mob then and they gave up 88 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: their autonomy to other people. It became so oppressive to them. 89 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: So Elvis to Colonel Tom Parker, who was a criminal, 90 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: you handle it all. Alee to Herbert Muhammad, the Nation 91 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: of Islam, which exploited him in harrowing ways and lent 92 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: into Yoko Ono. They all three gave up their autonomy. 93 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Famous or not. If you allow other people to run 94 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: your life, it is not going to turn out well. 95 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: Certainly in Elvis's case, Colonel Parker just totally exploited him. 96 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Not only was he not protecting Presley, but he was 97 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: actually setting Presley up to use him to pay off 98 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: Parker's own gambling debts and to do whatever Parker needed 99 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: for himself, even if it was increasing the destruction of Presley. 100 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: It's sort of amazing how negative a royal Parker played. 101 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: He was a heinous human being. He understood that Elvis 102 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: was not intellectually equipped to run this empire that his 103 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: talent led to. But I don't see Elvis, Orlean and 104 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: or Elie as victims. They all knew what was happening 105 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: to them. Pressley signed the contracts giving Parker fifty percent 106 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: of all his earnings fifty percent. Ali allowed the Muslims 107 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: to book him fights. When doctor said you are not 108 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: able enough medically to go into the ring, the Muslims 109 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: still put him in the ring, and that destroyed his brain. 110 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: But Ali knew that that was the circumstance and allowed 111 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: it to happen. Why do you think all three of 112 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: them were, in a sense willingly exploited because they were 113 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: overwhelmed at all. You know, everybody in life listening to 114 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: West right now, when we get into difficult situations, we 115 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: either surrender we fight. But it's very hard, very very hard, 116 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: And the tendency for people is to run away into 117 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: narcotics like Lennon and Presley, or into a cult like Ali. 118 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: You just don't want to deal with it. It's too painful, 119 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: too stressful, too complicated, So let somebody else deal with it. 120 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: And that was the mistake all three of them made. 121 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: And then they were betrayed from the inside. Hi, this 122 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: is nut. We have serious decisions to make about the 123 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: future of our country. Americans must confront big government socialism, 124 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: which is taken over the modern Democratic Party, big business, news, media, entertainment, 125 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: and academia. 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Order it today 135 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: at gingwishtree sixty dot com slash book. I did not 136 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: know this until I read your book. I didn't realize 137 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: how much Lennon's heroine use contributed to the breakup of 138 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: the Beatles. That story was kept very quiet. Some in 139 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: the press knew about it, but most did not, and 140 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: Lennon became addicted to heroin after he hooked up with 141 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: Yoko Ono, who was also a heroin user, and the 142 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: Beatles were shot the other three members of the band 143 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: because Lennon's whole personality change from an outgoing guy was 144 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: always sardonic and confrontational, but he was kind of a 145 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: good guy, fun to be around, into this stoned out 146 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: guy who didn't interact with them at all, and that's 147 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: what led to the dissolution of the Beatles. The story 148 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: was kept very very quiet. Now to his credit, Lennon 149 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: kicked the addiction all right. Pressley never did, and Pressley 150 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: died because of drugs. Lennon did get it behind him, 151 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: but then of course was assassinated, the three of them. 152 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: That's the most shocking end. What do you think motivated 153 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: Mark David Chapman, who was the guy who came from 154 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: for Worth, Texas, to New York specifically to kill Lennon? 155 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: What was motivated him? Yesterday was the anniversary of Teddy 156 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: Roosevelt being shot in the chest and Milwaukee, Wisconsin by 157 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: this deranged thirty six year old bartender, and Roosevelt actually 158 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: gave the speech with the bullet in his rib Cage 159 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: yesterday it was the anniversary of it. Okay, delusional people 160 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: are everywhere, and Mark David Chapman, the Lennon assassin, was 161 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: obviously mentally ill. And that is the lethal danger of celebrity. 162 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: If I want to go to a Washington Redskins game, 163 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: or they're not the Redskins anymore, the Washington Commander's game, 164 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: I can't sit in the stands. I don't know about you, 165 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: but I can't sit in the standard. I gotta sit 166 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: in a box. Most of the people when I encounter 167 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: them in public, are very nice. They want to picture, 168 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: they want to chat, hap me to do it. But 169 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: there is that fringe two percent that are just unhinged 170 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: and may physically hurt you. And every celebrity knows that. Incredibly. 171 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: Pressley did have security, they called it the Memphis Mafia, 172 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: but Lenin did not. On No controlled him to such 173 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: an extent that you don't want anybody around him. So 174 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: Lennon and Ono would walk around the streets of New 175 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: York by themselves, no security and boom. So that's the 176 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: harrowing part that if you're famous, you become a target 177 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: of crazy, deranged people of the internet, nuts of political foes, 178 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, you are a target, very heavy 179 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: weight to bear. In Lennon's case, he said the Hubris 180 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: as you remember, and as you put in the book 181 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: of saying in nineteen sixty six, we're more popular than 182 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: Jesus now. And I think for some people that was 183 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: a deeply offensive comment and sort of served as a 184 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: lightning rod. Sure, but Lennon didn't mean it. Because Lennon 185 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: just babbled. He didn't know what he was saying. He's 186 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: kind of like Joe Biden. He just says stuff out 187 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: of the thin air, and he says it to get 188 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: a reaction. So the press would come around John Lennon, 189 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: and this was before Yoko and kind of bait him 190 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: with stuff and knowing that Lennon could say anything at 191 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: any time and they get a headline. It's like clickbait 192 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: now on social media. So I never took that seriously. 193 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Lennon was a guy who was very flamboyant. 194 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: He was kind of entertaining to watch until his life 195 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: took a dramatic turn, before he got so heavily into drugs. 196 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Do you think that Elvis sort of understood what he 197 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: was doing. I mean, it's remarkable, how his career explodes 198 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: and how he's the pioneer who breaks open music for 199 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: everybody who follows, not just music. So post World War Two, 200 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, Eisenhower President America is conformist. We all look 201 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: the same, sound the same. No rebellion, no descent. People 202 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: do what they did the last four decades because everybody 203 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: was exhausted by the war. Just want to raise the family, 204 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:26,359 Speaker 1: baby boomers, no turbulence. All of a sudden, a teenager 205 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: from Mississippi appears on The Ed Sullivan Show and blows 206 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: up the conformist culture in six minutes, singing a dopey 207 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: song named hound Dog. The next day, preachers all over 208 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: the country are saying that Elvis Presley is an agent 209 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: of Satan. Parents are telling their kids, you're not going 210 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: to slick your hair back, You're not going to wear 211 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: that leather jacket. But who wins? Presley wins. The culture 212 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: changes into rock and roll and rebel, and then you 213 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: get all of that subtext. We were still in innocent society. 214 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: You remember the hula hoop in nineteen sixty the twist. 215 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: We weren't hardcore like we became in the sixties, but 216 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Elvis single handedly brought down the conformist culture, which is 217 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: why this is a history book. You know, sometimes I 218 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: have trouble explaining to people why I'm writing about. It's 219 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: not People magazine, this is American history. These guys drove it. 220 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: And then the sixties, the Beatles were the spear point 221 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: magical mystery tour, Sergeant Pepper, sex, drugs, rock and roll. 222 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: We have that today, suspicion of authority, and Lenin was 223 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: the driver of that, along with his bandmates who didn't 224 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: take it as seriously as Lennon did with the give 225 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: Piece of Chance, Mantra and all of that. Well, and 226 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: it's remarkable when the Beatles did break up how different 227 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: they're careers were. Some of them just bounced back and 228 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: went on to live very successful, normal lives. Sure the 229 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: other three learned from Lenin, so they're all drug involved. 230 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: In the mid sixties, all the Beatles were taken drugs, 231 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: but not opious, not heroin, I mean that was debilitating. 232 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: They were taken pot and hash and LSD. But when 233 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: they saw what happened to Lennon, that wise them up, 234 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: and also when he was assassinated. All three of the 235 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: Beatles then had cadres of protection. They changed their whole 236 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: life and they were just lucky, I think, to get 237 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: through it, where Lennon didn't get it was almost luck 238 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: because any of the three could have been a target 239 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: of it, an assassin, that's for sure. Well, of course, 240 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: in the case of McCartney, he is carried on. He's 241 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: still today is carrying on a remarkably successful career and 242 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: seems to have been a relatively stable balanced person most 243 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: of his life. Yeah, McCartney was lucky enough to run 244 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: into the Eastman family through a girlfriend and then a 245 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: subsequent wife, Linda Eastman, and to this day they run 246 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: his career and they are very very savvy business people 247 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: and pretty much you know it said, Look, you can 248 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: have every luxury you want in the world, which Paul 249 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: McCartney does, but you know, there's certain things you've got 250 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: to do, and McCartney conformed to that with both Presley 251 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: and Lennon and the Beatles as a group. You have 252 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: people who are making music. They may have things they 253 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: do to themselves, either to relieve the tension or out 254 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: of boredom or whatever, but there's not an inherently difficult 255 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: challenge in being successful musician. On the other hand, when 256 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: you cover Cassius Clay, who then becomes Muhammad Ali, he 257 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: was inherently in a dangerous business. In the book, you 258 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: point out that there was an estimate that during his 259 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: career he had actually absorbed almost two hundred thousand blows 260 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: to his head and his body. I mean, that's almost unimaginable, 261 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: it is, and it just shows you how strong a 262 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: man he was. But the thing about Muhammad Ali that 263 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: struck me the most was here was a charismatic guy 264 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: who got along with everybody I interviewed him. I never 265 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: thought he was anti whitey, or a racist or anything 266 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: like that. And he signs up with a racist organization, 267 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: a Nation of Islam, which is run by Farikahan, now 268 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: still in operation. And once he does that and becomes 269 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: a Muslim, he conforms to what they want him to do. 270 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: So he almost died, Muhammad Ali. And this is some 271 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: of the finest writing I've ever done in my life. 272 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: I put you in the ring in Manila, the Philippines, 273 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: when he's fighting Joe Fraser. Frasier almost kills him, literally 274 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: kills him, and he almost blinds Frasier Ali. And then 275 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: for two weeks after that fight. Ali couldn't even go out, 276 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: he had to stay in a darkened room. And as 277 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: doctor Ferdie Butchekov says, look, you can't fight for a year. 278 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: You're so damaged. You can't fight for twelve months. Four 279 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: months later, guess who's back in the ring. And it 280 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: was because of the Nation of Islam. They wanted the money, 281 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: and they took an enormous amount of money from Mohammed Ali, 282 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: who allowed them to do it. And you know, Lennon, 283 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: Presley and Elie were not stupid men. They weren't. They 284 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: weren't well educated, they didn't have a support system, they 285 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: had dysfunctional families, but they weren't stupid, and they just 286 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: got exhausted and they gave up, and that led to 287 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: their demise. You knew book Killing the Legends the lethal 288 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: danger of celebrity is remarkable himself. But I cannot have 289 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: you on at this particular time of the year, given 290 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: your remarkable background as a journalist, and not ask you 291 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: about the elections. We were chatting earlier that you see 292 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: the world from Long Island, So share with us, just 293 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, your thoughts about what twenty 294 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: twenty two is likely to turn out to be okay, 295 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: So I agree with you. There's going to be a 296 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: red wave. I think the House will be almost historically Republican. 297 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: I think the Senate will go to the Republicans as well, 298 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: although if Republicans can muck it up, they will all right. 299 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: I'm not a big party guy, as you know. Right now, 300 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: with eighty percent of Americans eighty saying that they are 301 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: suffering because of the Biden economy, I don't see how 302 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: it can go any other way. Now, what you're going 303 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: to see in the next few weeks is panic in 304 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: the media. All summer, the media propped up the Democrats 305 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: and all comeback, comeback, comeback, abortion, this Trump that, whatever 306 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: it may be. Now they're starting to realize that the 307 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: country is going to profoundly change in the next four months. 308 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: The progressive left is going to get hammered. They're going 309 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: to lose all credibility as well. They should for inflicting 310 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: this economic horror on working Americans. This was a system 311 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: of incompetence run by Joe Biden, but dictated by his 312 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: progressive left masters. And you want to link it into 313 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: killing the legends, here it is Biden is not in 314 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: charge he's not making the decisions. He has seeded all 315 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: power and sold out all his previous convictions to the 316 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: progressive left. That was the financial pathway to the White House, 317 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: and he and Jill Biden took it. He doesn't have 318 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: any decision making right now. Biden. He does what he 319 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: is told to do. And the sad fact is the 320 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: progressives in the name of global warming have destroyed the 321 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: infrastructure of the American economy and people. They may not 322 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: understand all of their nuance, but they know they're getting hurt, 323 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: so they're going to hurt the Democrats on November eighth. 324 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: What is your take. You're pretty optimistic that Leezelden could 325 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: end up as governor of New York, which would truly 326 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: be a dramatic moment earthquake. So Zelden is about three 327 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: points down and the Democratic machine in New York State 328 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: is two to one over Republicans registered voters. Twenty million 329 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: people in New York State, eight and a half million 330 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: of them live in New York City, which is destroyed. 331 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: New York City is a violent place. Quality of life 332 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: is decline. Everybody can see it. You don't have to 333 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: be told it. You can see it. Okay, it is 334 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: a dangerous situation. I think that a lot of the 335 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: Democrat voters, particularly in the African American community, aren't going 336 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: to vote for Zelden. They're just not going to vote, 337 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: and the polls do not reflect that. If they don't 338 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: show up, and believe me, the machine will try to 339 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: get them out. I don't think they're gonna go. Zelden 340 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: will win, and that will be an earthquake in politics 341 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: in America since that happening in a number of places. 342 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: You know, Iowa used to be very competitive. I think 343 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: the last Iowa Democratic congressman is going to get beaten 344 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: this year and it'll be all Republican. And you see 345 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: place after place. I think the Valley in Texas, which 346 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: is very Hispanic, is basically going to be one conservative 347 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: Democrat and three Republicans when this election's over. I'm looking 348 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: around it. What could be a genuinely revolutionary election in 349 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: terms of the size of the wave that is building. 350 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: I agree with you, and people are not only disenchanted 351 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: with the Biden administration and the Democrat platform, they are 352 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: angry and anger drives votes. Okay, so if you're angry, 353 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: that's Trump lost because people were angry with him, not 354 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: with his policies, because his policy largely worked, but they 355 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: were angry with him. The same thing is going to 356 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: happen now they're angry with Biden. When Biden goes out 357 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: this week and says the economy is strong as hell, 358 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: that's an insult to working people who can't pay the bills. 359 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,959 Speaker 1: He just insulted them. The economy in the real world, 360 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: a world which Joe Biden does not exist in the 361 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,199 Speaker 1: economy is not strong as hell. The economy is hurting people, 362 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: and so that kind of a visceral reaction is going 363 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: to mean and I believe a lancelide for the GOP. 364 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself. I saw this picture of Biden 365 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: after he made his economy comments, eating an ice cream cone, 366 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: so I went and checked. In December twenty twenty one, 367 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: a half gallon of ice cream was four seventy six. 368 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: In September of this year, it's five dollars and seventy cents. 369 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: That means in less than a year there's been a 370 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: twenty percent increase in the cost of ice cream. And 371 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: I hope everybody who watches Biden eating an ice cream 372 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: cone will remember everything is more expensive because of Joe Biden. 373 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: Than they should also remember, mister speaker, that Biden didn't 374 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: pay for that ice cream. We did paid for it. 375 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,880 Speaker 1: That's right. I hadn't thought of that part of it. 376 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't notice the price because he doesn't pay it. 377 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: He didn't care. He didn't care about us. He didn't 378 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: care about people scratching a living, people with five kids 379 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: trying to get by. He didn't care because he's in denial. 380 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: Oh no, it's not bad. Oh, the southern border is secure. 381 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: All those hundreds of thousand people dying for federal da 382 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: it's secure. No, no, no, we're doing a great job. 383 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: We have a delusional president, the second worst president in 384 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: the history of this republic in his first two years, 385 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: the second worst president, Joe Biden. So who do you 386 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: nominate for worst? James Buchanan will never be overtaken as 387 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: the worst president in our history, the worst. He allowed 388 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: the South to storm federal depots, to accumulate weaponry, to 389 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: abuse the federal government, and I've led directly to the 390 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: Civil War. Poor Abraham Lincoln when he walked in there 391 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: with a mess. No, I couldn't agree with you more. 392 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: It's just remarkable Bubby, I've been telling people, make sure 393 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: you check your four oh one K before you vote, 394 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: and it will convince you to vote Republican. I don't 395 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: know if anybody needs convincing anymore, even the dimmest among us. Yea, 396 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: even the dimmest people. But it'll be interesting to see 397 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: the media panic in the next two weeks. They will panic, 398 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: They'll try to drag Trump back into the spotlight. The 399 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: abortion things out work and for him. But where do 400 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: you see the panic on a part of the corporate media. Yep, 401 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to watch. Let me just say, 402 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: I arge everybody listening. One, make sure you go vote, 403 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: and two pick up Killing the Legends. As you heard 404 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: in this conversation, it's a fascinating book and once again 405 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: we'll open up ideas you've never had and as typical 406 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: of the kind of work that Bill does. So Bill, 407 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure and within a year you will be back 408 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: with another book and I will look forward once again. Okay, 409 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: I got one more to do in the contract that 410 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: we have now, and I got to tell everybody, missus speaker, 411 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: that you we mentioned the top of the program that 412 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: we've been friends for It's got to be now close 413 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: to thirty years, and I respect that you are an 414 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: honest man who speaks on behalf of the regular American. 415 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: You've never been one of these snooty, snobby politicians whose 416 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: power went to his head. You still maintain that common 417 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: touch and I respect that very much. Thanks for having 418 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: me on your fine podcast. Thank you to my guest 419 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Bill O'Reilly. You can get a link to buy his 420 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: new book, Killing the Legends The Lethal Danger of Celebrity 421 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: on our showpage at newtsworld dot com. Newtsworld is produced 422 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: by Gingwige three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is 423 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: Garnsey Sloan, our producer is Rebecca Howe, and our researcher 424 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the show was created 425 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: by Steve Penley. Special thanks to the team at Gingwige 426 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: three sixty. 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