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Speaker 1: This He's Talking Cowboys, rereading live from the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,

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Speaker 1: Brian Bros, Rob Phillips, Taylor Star. Can't be funny without

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Speaker 1: the B word, Brian, Welcome into the Academy's Sports and

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Speaker 1: Outdoors Studio. I am joined by the best and the brightest.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately Rob isn't here today, so so we don't have

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Speaker 1: the best and brightest, but we have Hellman and that's

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Speaker 1: something close to it. It's a consolation prize, it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So there wasn't going to be a Rob's Twitter pool,

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Speaker 1: which hopefully you all are familiar with if you listen

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Speaker 1: to the show or tune in at all, but I

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Speaker 1: decided to still do one for out the show. So

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Speaker 1: if you guys are listening live, you get to participate.

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Speaker 1: Right now, go to the Talking Boy, Talking Cowboys, Talking Boys.

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Speaker 1: This is Talking Cowboys right, Yes, it is Mickey. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so go to that Twitter page and then you cannot

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Speaker 1: make your boat and I'll get the question to you guys.

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Speaker 1: But how's every him doing? Just wonderful, phenomenal, can't be better?

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Speaker 1: Did you hear his impression of you. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 1: I was on the road when that was all going on,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see that David has developed that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so good for him. Come you didn't call in, he

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Speaker 1: was busy. They don't get you have your phones on

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Speaker 1: the gold too many mental cheese. I had a couple

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Speaker 1: of Mickey and you should probably tell their tape to

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Speaker 1: my body as but but no, Yeah, it's a yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I'm glad David worked with He's knows that he's

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Speaker 1: he's good at that. He likes the player, absolutely, he

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Speaker 1: loves the player. Love you a big guy? Yeah, thank Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I thought we could do like a double thing today,

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Speaker 1: but I think it kind of makes Mickey in the middle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of awkwardness. So a double thing both

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Speaker 1: Brian impression, dueling impression, impression punishing some pimento cheese. Yes,

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Speaker 1: one's enough. One's enough, good point one is enough? All right?

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Speaker 1: So wait no longer. My question before we get to

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Speaker 1: it that we will have everyone voting throughout the show.

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Speaker 1: Should the Cowboys be worried about their quarterback depth? H Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I say that because Brian last week we had

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Speaker 1: a discussion about depth and getting these guys in here.

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Speaker 1: Of course, at the time, coney Ely was just visiting

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He has sent signed right so to help

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Speaker 1: with the defensive end position there. Sure, but we're looking

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Speaker 1: at what they're going to be doing during the draft.

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Speaker 1: You guys all had a quarterback going to the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: in your mock drafts. Is that how you think it's

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Speaker 1: going to play out? You know, that's a really good

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Speaker 1: point that I had. I don't spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time thinking about it because it usually is just a

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Speaker 1: training camp topic. Well not only, but it's not something

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Speaker 1: it's going to change, like we talked about it last week,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, Jerry Jones says, they don't want to

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Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. They want to draft and develop a guy

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Speaker 1: or bring in a young guy that they can develop.

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Speaker 1: So I don't spend a lot of time thinking about

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Speaker 1: it because I know what they want to do. But

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Speaker 1: for the longest time, my attitude about backup quarterback was like, well,

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Speaker 1: who cares, You're screwed if you lose your starter anyway. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but the Philadelphia Eagles gave us a very timely reminder

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Speaker 1: that that's not always true, and they're not the only ones.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people love to point to the

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Speaker 1: Matt Castle Patriots, and you know a few other times

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Speaker 1: brock Oswiler stepped in for Peyton Manning pretty admirably during

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Speaker 1: their Super Bowl season, So that's not always the case.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can really do a good job of

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Speaker 1: ensuring yourself at that position, maybe not over the course

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Speaker 1: And I don't have any reason to doubt Cooper Rush,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes I wonder if maybe this team would have

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Speaker 1: How much do you want to invest? Not a ton,

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Speaker 1: but I mean seven million per season? No, Philadelphia did, yeah,

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Speaker 1: exactly cover themselves. And I don't think that's a bad

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Speaker 1: You know, a veteran guy. People have linked him here before,

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Speaker 1: he's visited this facility before. I think he could get

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Speaker 1: I don't expect the Cowboys to do this, but it

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Speaker 1: has paid different. Haven't they done this before though with

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Speaker 1: had Brandon wheedon. No. No, that's I'm saying. They've invested

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Speaker 1: they're okay with. They're okay with paying a backup quarterback. Yeah, exactly. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think there's a couple of different ways

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Speaker 1: to have a veteran quarterback here. I'm okay with with

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Speaker 1: the draft and how it is. They've got a lot

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Speaker 1: They've got a couple of fifth round picks. Why not

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Speaker 1: more of a future guy if he can compete with

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Speaker 1: training camp, preseason that would be that competition was. I

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Speaker 1: think Cooper Rush got better because he played more. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it right, I think, and I think it

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be better than Cooper Rush in

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Speaker 1: should be a rookie draft choice. I just think that

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Speaker 1: to cost seven million dollars against the cap, right, and

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Speaker 1: he's played and the four games. But what did they

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Speaker 1: For the record, Like, I'm not just firmly arguing with

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Speaker 1: you would have two on your hands if you drafted one. No, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And so I guess what was Dak Prescott's initial thought

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Speaker 1: But there was a thought there there was some people

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Speaker 1: It was short leash, short leash maybe in the playoff

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Speaker 1: Nate Sudfeld exactly, and he wouldn't much better. Which again

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Speaker 1: it needs to happen, And honestly, I'm okay with Cooper

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Speaker 1: Sanchez still out there. Sanchez is still out there. If

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Speaker 1: if he's still playing, you know, some of those guys

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Speaker 1: and say, you know what I'll take my chances with

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Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. I'll take my chances drafting. You did you

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Speaker 1: caught lightning in a bottle with Dak Prescott? Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: really did. You know, if you build a team around

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Speaker 1: you know, they lose him and the season goes down.

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Speaker 1: Look what Look what happened when Jimmy Garoppolo came in.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo came in and I'm just saying this, Stephen

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo comes in for Sam. The quarter makes a difference

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Speaker 1: I would not mind having a guy who's been around

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Speaker 1: for Kobe Brissett. I'm not talking about a guy like

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about a guy who's going to give

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Speaker 1: And I mean Kellen Moore fits that role. But how

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Speaker 1: many Helen Clemens, how many NFL games that he ever start?

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Speaker 1: as you've said today, it's all quarterback heavy. Sure, it's

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Speaker 1: just quarterback, quarterback, quarterback. And then you talk about Jason Witten,

427
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of people used to joke about

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning in the offensive room for the Broncos. He

429
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Speaker 1: was basically the coach. Sure yeah, everyone said, okay, yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: you have your OC, but it's essentially Peyton Manning. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of how I view Jason Witten for the tight

432
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Speaker 1: ends room. So I'm thinking, you know, hopefully Nest Mark

433
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Speaker 1: can kind of lend a hand. Oh no, absolutely, back

434
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Speaker 1: and kind of contradict myself too. I mean, you talk

435
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Speaker 1: about wanting older voices with the quarterbacks, Well, this is

436
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Speaker 1: the most quarterback heavy staff in football. It might be

437
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Speaker 1: too many voices. A lot of quarterback, A lot of

438
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Speaker 1: guys used to play quarterback, from the head coach to

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Speaker 1: the OC to the quarterbacks coach, tight ends coach. I

440
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Speaker 1: think I think I got them all, but there might

441
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Speaker 1: be one more in there somewhere. Well, you get a fear,

442
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Speaker 1: like I say, you have to figure if there's things

443
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Speaker 1: they need to do offensively. We've we've talked about that

444
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: a bunch in the off season. What do you need

445
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: to do to get wide receivers going? What do you

446
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: need to do to get the passing game going? Yeah,

447
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: it's going to help to have Ezekiel Elliott back running

448
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Speaker 1: the football. I feel like, though, though, if you could

449
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: come up with some different wrinkles, you know, and that's

450
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Speaker 1: really where a lot of this game is going. The

451
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Speaker 1: offense teams are moving the ball kind of a little

452
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Speaker 1: bit of a college type flavor to them. If you

453
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Speaker 1: have a guy that can come in and say, hey,

454
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Speaker 1: this is the way we used to attack you know,

455
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Speaker 1: Georgia when no smart, this is the way we used

456
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Speaker 1: to attack lsh, this is the way we you know,

457
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Speaker 1: those kinds of things always. I think that helps instead

458
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Speaker 1: of having Okay, what do we need to do, different

459
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: guys and with the same voice over and over and

460
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Speaker 1: over again. New voice is always helping that room. Best

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Speaker 1: new wrinkle better be behind Tyron Smith. Yeah, no, there's

462
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Speaker 1: there's no question. There's no question at that. I like

463
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Speaker 1: that you brought Tyron Smith because obviously we had Nickiman

464
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Speaker 1: up in Canada with him over there. Way to Canada,

465
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Speaker 1: travel expensive interview. It is travel up north and go

466
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Speaker 1: here from him that this is the best he has

467
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Speaker 1: ever felt in an off season, which, of course, he

468
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: is still a pretty young guy if you're asking anyone

469
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Speaker 1: age wise, even though he has had this his seventh

470
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Speaker 1: season or eighth, starting his eighth eighth season. Already young

471
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Speaker 1: guy in the Grand Scheme of life, got drafted at

472
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Speaker 1: twenty ancient by football standards. Well, offensive lineman, they're thirty four,

473
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Speaker 1: they get to be thirty five years old. That's the

474
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Speaker 1: prime of their existence. I mean, this guy's been playing

475
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Speaker 1: in Oh no, no, I'm saying you're absolutely right, but

476
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Speaker 1: he's he's got a long way. But the fact I

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Speaker 1: think Taylor brings up a great point, the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's felt the best that he has. You know, there

479
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: was a lot of concern with that back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he went away, he said, Okay, I've got to try

481
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Speaker 1: something different. Maybe maybe he's got some ideas. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's from California. He went out there and obviously, whether

483
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Speaker 1: it's a core exercise, stretching, whatever he had to do

484
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Speaker 1: to make himself feel better about his back. To the

485
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Speaker 1: fact that they avoided surgery, I think I think bodes

486
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Speaker 1: well for him coming into the season. I hope it

487
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Speaker 1: bodes well, but I hope they're not leaving it to hope.

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Speaker 1: And I mean I don't think they are well well,

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Speaker 1: I hope so I was gonna say, you know, Fleming,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've for the fifteenth time since they

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Speaker 1: signed him. Right now, they have three quality starting tackles

492
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Speaker 1: on this team, right. I hope they don't reduce it

493
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Speaker 1: to two by playing that best five. Nonsense, what do

494
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Speaker 1: you think, Mick meaning? Moving why out of garden? They

495
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Speaker 1: shouldn't do I know they shouldn't do that. I hope

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Speaker 1: they don't. Fleming should be the backups. Tamming should play

497
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Speaker 1: swing and everybody else should say are you objected to

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Speaker 1: We talked about this in the draft show. Would you

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Speaker 1: they had Mike McGlinchey, the offensive tackle from Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: who is the best tackle in the draft, if he

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Speaker 1: was available at nineteen, would you be opposed to doing that?

502
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Speaker 1: I told him last week, Brian, last week. I just

503
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Speaker 1: did go last week this last week. What we said

504
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Speaker 1: is if they stay at nineteen, the trend of nineteen

505
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Speaker 1: aside from last year when they when Oj Howard was drafted,

506
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Speaker 1: sure it had been guards, tackles, centers, yeah, and tackles free.

507
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Speaker 1: I'm just saying now, I'm just saying, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Is that a flip side though? On that? And again,

509
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Speaker 1: you guys don't want to move him, and I agree

510
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Speaker 1: with you guys. I agree, I don't want to move

511
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Speaker 1: while Collins. But if but you're trying to get me

512
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Speaker 1: to say that I would. No, No, I'm trying. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: trying to get you to I'm trying to get you

514
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Speaker 1: to say. But do they think that would they would

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Speaker 1: that guy play guard? Which Mike McGlinchey, I would Clay

516
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Speaker 1: m at tackles, but Kenny played guard. I don't think so,

517
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Speaker 1: six eight six eight, So give me Sat play guard?

518
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Speaker 1: Of course he is. Everybody's in the draft. Gif you

519
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Speaker 1: a tackle that could play guard for the time being,

520
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Speaker 1: then you should just draft a guard. Yeah no, because

521
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Speaker 1: then you well, then you don't get nimised the draft

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Speaker 1: pick by taking a guard. Why because you've already spent

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Speaker 1: a first round pick on a guard. Do you need

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Speaker 1: two first round picks on guard? But if you want

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Speaker 1: a guy that can play guard, why don't you just

526
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Speaker 1: draft the guy who Because I think the tackle is

527
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Speaker 1: more valuable and at some point you're gonna need a tackle.

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Speaker 1: If McGlinchey was better than Lyle Collins, you would draft

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Speaker 1: him and move. That's what you would do now, and

530
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Speaker 1: that's that's the only way you can make drafting McGlinchey work. Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: but I don't want to do it. Yeah, I don't. Well,

532
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Speaker 1: he was a visit, he was a thirty US guy. Well,

533
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Speaker 1: and good on them for covering all them, so was

534
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Speaker 1: Colton Miller from UCLA. Good on them for covering all

535
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Speaker 1: their bases. And I mean, if we can foresee that

536
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Speaker 1: this is a possibility. See, we have an idea that

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Speaker 1: there that we don't want to move Lyle Collins. They

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Speaker 1: they might not agree with us at all, which and

539
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like heregre He's no, he does it. I

540
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: mean he's he's put in the work to play right tackle.

541
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Speaker 1: He really has, and he got better as the season

542
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Speaker 1: went along. He was at the end of it, he

543
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: was one of your better offensive linemen. I thought, So

544
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Speaker 1: can I get a starting quality guard in the second

545
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Speaker 1: or third round? I think, so can we? Can? I

546
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Speaker 1: do I have to keep using first round offensive line? Okay,

547
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this though. Then Fleming is just

548
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Speaker 1: then Fleming is just the swing tackle. One year swing tackle?

549
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Speaker 1: Is that would be okay with me? So they cut away? Yeah, yeah,

550
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: point three million for a swing tackle? Would you have

551
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: spent that last year to have somebody better than I think?

552
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: I think that they're telling you, Oh yeah, right, well see,

553
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: but I didn't feel like that Chaz Green was going

554
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: to come into the season failing. Yeah I didn't. I mean,

555
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, but when they started playing him

556
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Speaker 1: at guard and you saw that him him not taking

557
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: to the position, well yeah, there should have been some

558
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: some concerns right there. I don't know, and that's I mean.

559
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: They might think differently than men. They might move lyle

560
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: which I always I love to say, Well, I'm totally

561
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: with you, guys, I'm not moving him. I'm just saying

562
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: they might not think what we're thinking. But here's the thing.

563
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: They don't ask for my opinion on it, and so

564
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: all I can do is offer my analysis, and if

565
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I'll happily admit it. And if I'm right,

566
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: then all I can do is say what I think.

567
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I mean, They're not calling

568
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: me into these meetings. It was almost a bad move.

569
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Speaker 1: It was almost a three pronged decision last year on

570
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Speaker 1: how it turned out, because we forget that Chaz Green

571
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: ended up starting at guard until he got hurt, right

572
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: all right, and then they had no choice but to

573
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Speaker 1: put Cooper there. And I think after they saw what

574
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: Byron Bell was right, it was like, oh, do I

575
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Speaker 1: want that guy as my backup tacker? So let's leave

576
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: Cooper there and got gredients, and now let's move Chaz

577
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Green back to tackle when he hadn't worked at tackle, sure,

578
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: and hadn't played any football for however long. I agree

579
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Speaker 1: with you guys about the whole thing. I thought it

580
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: was more, this is gonna sound crazy. I thought it

581
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: was more important to have a suitable backup for Smith

582
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: than it was to have a starting left And I

583
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: absolutely agree, and I think that was their thinking. Also.

584
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Speaker 1: I think that's still true today. And that's why I'm

585
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Speaker 1: not trying to move Lyle Collins because if you do now,

586
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Speaker 1: and you only have to who's your who's your backup tackle?

587
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: If you move Collins inside and Fleming starts at right tackle,

588
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: bet and you need to go draft better? Right, Yeah exactly,

589
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: you better. Yeah. See, I still think, deep down in

590
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: my gut, I think they're gonna move Lyle Collins. You do,

591
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I do, And I'm not even I'm not going on

592
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Speaker 1: anything anybody on that side the buildings told me. I

593
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: just it just seems like with the way that they

594
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Speaker 1: brought guys in Fleming being signed, visiting McGlinchey, visiting Colt.

595
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Why would you do that for one year? Yeah? See,

596
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: well that's obscene. They might they might draft, they might

597
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: draft a guy that started right back. The thing is

598
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: is that this team and this might be just the

599
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: way it is in the NFL. Correct me if I'm

600
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: wrong here, but I just it frustrates me with this team.

601
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: And I don't know where these decisions are coming from.

602
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Help me out, But it's like, we have these great

603
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: players and Mickey's right, we move them around for one year.

604
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: When year they're here, it's like when yere here, Tyrone Crawford,

605
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: now you're this, now you're this, Absolutely, and it bothers

606
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: me because it feels like, just draft the guy who's

607
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the best at that position and keep them there. You know. Sometimes, yes,

608
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: there are changes in the NFL. You see success in

609
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: other ways, but why can't we figure that out with

610
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: this offensive line? I just new offensive line coach though

611
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: too improvised. It's improvised decision making based on bad evaluations.

612
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, does that make the evalua No, it

613
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: hurts the player. That's the point. You make a bad

614
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Speaker 1: evaluation in the offseason, you try to make a move

615
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: on it, it doesn't work out, and then you scramble

616
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: to fix it later. That's I guess Zack Martin is

617
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: the best example of somebody that just worked out in

618
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: well to. I mean nobody, nobody who was always going

619
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Speaker 1: to play really thought Zach was ever going to play tackle.

620
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: He's not on a full time basis in the NFL.

621
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Speaker 1: I mean that projection. They started playing him at bart

622
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Speaker 1: at the senior So do people feel that way about McGlinchey.

623
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Speaker 1: Did they think he's going to logically play tackle in

624
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: the league or do they think he's going to play guard.

625
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: I haven't read a word about him playing guard. He

626
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: is a prototypical looking tackle. I mean he's six A.

627
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: I don't know Connor Williams move inside. Connor Williams is

628
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: a shorter armed guy. And yes, I think Connor Williams

629
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Speaker 1: if you drafted, if you traded back and drafted Connor Williams,

630
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: he could play guard. Where did you feel comfortable drafting

631
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: him in the second round? Oh? If you went back,

632
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: say say how about this? What if you drop back?

633
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: What if you get now? What if you wanted to

634
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: do this? What if mclinchy's on the board at nineteen. Okay,

635
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this and New England wants to

636
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Speaker 1: come up to get an offensive tap. Absolutely, New England's

637
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Speaker 1: picking at twenty three. You're still staying ahead of Carolina,

638
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Speaker 1: which needs offensive lineman. So now you're sitting there thinking, Okay,

639
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Speaker 1: you drop back, you pick up an extra pick. They've

640
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Speaker 1: got a lot of picks. Now you draft Connor Williams

641
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Speaker 1: at twenty three. So they're not a linebacker worth taken

642
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Speaker 1: at nineteen. So do you not think that's a bigger

643
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: priority right now? They Okay, yes, But with the conversation

644
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Speaker 1: started about swing tackles and so, and I totally agree

645
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: with you about the linebacker, you could arguably get both.

646
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: They will take they if Vanderish, the kid from Boise,

647
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: should be there at nineteen, should be there at nineteen.

648
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: Evans the linebacker from Alabama should be there at nineteen.

649
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Speaker 1: If they want to take either one of those guys,

650
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Speaker 1: that's fine. But the conversation was about who's going to

651
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: be your swing tackle, And we all went on record

652
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Speaker 1: saying I wouldn't move while Collins. But they might be thinking, no,

653
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Speaker 1: we're going to draft a guy at right tackle. And

654
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Speaker 1: then you know, the the OTAs and the practices that

655
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: we get to see won't have started by the draft, obviously,

656
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: because your rookie class is part of that. If they

657
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Speaker 1: draft a tackle in the top fifty, then you probably

658
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Speaker 1: have your answer about what they want to do. Yeah,

659
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Speaker 1: you'll put the right Fleming started in the Super Bowl.

660
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: Fleming started in an AFC championship game. Yes, it's a

661
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: one year deal, but it might This might be a

662
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Speaker 1: way of them saying, Okay, we're gonna take this guy

663
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Speaker 1: playm at right tackle. I always remember Jerry Jones saying

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Speaker 1: this about the inside of the offensive line. The guard,

665
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Speaker 1: the centers are important to him. It was important because

666
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Speaker 1: of Tony Romo's ability to step up. I don't think

667
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Speaker 1: he's changed his attitude about the inside players on this football.

668
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Speaker 1: So can I not find a guard in the second

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Speaker 1: round that's capable of starting what you would have to do?

670
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Speaker 1: What you would have to do is to me, I

671
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: don't know. If you could find a guard in the

672
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Speaker 1: second round, you would probably have to reach for one. Now, hey,

673
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the third round, that's more realistic. The Madison kid that

674
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: they brought in from Washington State would be a good

675
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Speaker 1: fit there than the third round at eighty one? Can

676
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: he be better than Marcus Martin? He played left tackle

677
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: at Washington State. I think that just on experience right

678
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: now he wouldn't be better, but future absently, eventually. Yes,

679
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about guards, but if you're talking

680
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Speaker 1: about a linebacker that you possibly get in the second round,

681
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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edwards or is he going in? Oh no, he's

682
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: he's long, he's long, gone time. Yeah, it's brother, he's

683
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: the safety. See Smith and Edmonds are the two linebackers

684
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: are gone now here. We're gonna talk about the second

685
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Speaker 1: level guys. Again, not turn this in the draft show,

686
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: but it is. Let's do that. It is. It is.

687
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: It's Vanderish and it's and it's Evans. Those are the

688
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Speaker 1: types of guys you're looking at if you're looking at

689
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Speaker 1: linebackers at fifty. Jewel is a guy I think that

690
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: you have to consider right there, Warner, Yeah, there's all

691
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: these names. Yeah, are in doing such a good job.

692
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a middle guy. Yeah, play out je

693
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Jewel is a Jewel is a straight mic Linebacker's Juel Evans.

694
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: Those are straight mic linebackers. You have to figure out

695
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Speaker 1: what you want to do. Now we'll see they brought

696
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: like I say, they brought Vanderish and you know you're

697
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna play. You're gonna draft him at nineteen to not

698
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: play him at mic linebacker. You're gonna play him at SAM.

699
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the linebackers on this team and

700
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: training for every position any right, right, But you've got

701
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: to have the ability to play right right, So who's

702
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: my backup behind Sean Lee? See that's now, that's now,

703
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: that's the question you have to ask yourself because I

704
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: need a backup behind Jaylen Smith or shared position? I think.

705
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: I think then I need somebody behind show. Okay, I

706
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: could see them play. I could see them playing Vanderish

707
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Speaker 1: at at will linebacker. Let him run to the football

708
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 1: that he can do. I think vander Esh would be both. Yeah, Mike, Yeah,

709
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: I don't. That's why I think they're going to draft him.

710
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: I said it all along. I think at the pick

711
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Speaker 1: at nineteen, he's going to be the guy. I'll go

712
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Speaker 1: on record and say that, all right, because you don't

713
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Speaker 1: know yet that Jayalen Smith can play sixty snaps a

714
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Speaker 1: game for sixteen games, I think, right, I think who

715
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Speaker 1: if they draft a linebacker at nineteen, I think, who

716
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Speaker 1: do you have least amount of confidence in Jaalen Smith

717
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 1: playing all those snaps? Or Tyrn Smith's back? Oh, Jalen Smith?

718
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Speaker 1: Just I mean I have more Kyran Smith's back. Yeah,

719
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Speaker 1: more confident. That's what I'm trying to say, because if

720
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Speaker 1: he just by saying that he wants you to draft

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Speaker 1: a linebacker, doesn't at the end. At the end last year,

722
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Speaker 1: the injury that hurt him the second half of the

723
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: season was his hamstring, right, It wasn't his back. Right.

724
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Speaker 1: They figured out how to manage the back and get

725
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Speaker 1: him through that stright. So and obviously whatever he has

726
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: in his back is not something that can be surgically fixed, right,

727
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: why they would have done it? By right? I can

728
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: come up with a really compelling argument to draft a guard,

729
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: a tackle, a wide receiver all in the first round.

730
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Speaker 1: But by all rights and common sense and logic, the

731
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Speaker 1: first round pick should be a defender. That that's just

732
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: where the more immediate need is. That's where the value linebackers,

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Speaker 1: the defensive end, well, we're going to get into defensive

735
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: that would come back to that. That was the segue

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get in to brand this. This crew

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Speaker 1: We can't forget about Papa John's pizza, can we? We

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Speaker 1: Tommy John. We got to talk Papa John. Do you

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Speaker 1: Papa John's pizza to eat while you read this awesome

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Speaker 1: The whole package. It's not just your package, it's the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys have added to the defensive end position with Mickey's

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Speaker 1: former classmate Coney Right, you're alone? Is he actually the

803
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Speaker 1: only Missouri guy currently on the roster right now, on

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Speaker 1: this roster, on this roster Nikaroo and the Cowboys bradsham right,

805
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about I know, actually playing Yes, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they had a few a couple of years back. But

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Speaker 1: now Cony eally he joins a group of guys, especially

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Speaker 1: a guy like DeMarcus Lawrence, who's going to be vying

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Speaker 1: after that long term deal if he stays down this

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Speaker 1: franchise tag. Who can I'm a smart person here. I

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Speaker 1: went to New Mexico. So you know the fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is that how are the how is this

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Speaker 1: defensive end situation going to play out? As it stands? Now,

814
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: now we've talked a lot about the draft. We assume

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Speaker 1: we practically know they're going to add a lot to

816
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: the D line in the draft. But as it stands

817
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: right now, that room with the guys they have, of course,

818
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: adding your guy Elie is going to be a group.

819
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Speaker 1: Let me get it for you right here. Of five names,

820
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Speaker 1: of course you have the second year Taco Charlton coming back.

821
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Speaker 1: Everyone assumes that he's going to be better as he

822
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Speaker 1: gets older matures. That's where we stood with the draft

823
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Speaker 1: last year. Daytone Jones, what no, go ahead? Yeah, d

824
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Speaker 1: Law who I mentioned before, and then Lewis Neil who

825
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of went back and forth a little bit last year.

826
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Speaker 1: And then Charles Tapper. You saw flashes of him at

827
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Speaker 1: the start of the season last year. Of course he

828
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Speaker 1: had the injury, right, yeah, he's been a statement. And

829
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Speaker 1: then you know you're always kind of up in the

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Speaker 1: air about Randy Gregory. You don't know what's going to

831
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Speaker 1: happen there. They let go of Benson Mayowa and the

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Speaker 1: season right and your boy Tyrone you forgot somebody, well

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Speaker 1: are you thinking, David Irving, Tyrone Crawford, Well, Tyrone Crawford

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Speaker 1: and David Irving I was gonna put at the end

835
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Speaker 1: because you know they're inside well he can do both,

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Speaker 1: yeah he could. Yeah, but well all right, like and

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Speaker 1: Cony Eely. She makes a really good point. Those are

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Speaker 1: a lot of names though that are kind of in

839
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Speaker 1: flux though, right well, and in actually this is this

840
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Speaker 1: is a very influx group. This is a D line

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Speaker 1: in transition, yeah, big way, Which is funny because I

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Speaker 1: think this is I know, well, this is probably as

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Speaker 1: good as I've felt about the D line in the

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Speaker 1: time that I've covered the team and all honestly, especially

845
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna add a guy in the draft.

846
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'll be the first round pick

847
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: or Day three, but they'll they'll draft a defensive line. Yeah.

848
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: I think they'll draft actually a couple maybe, be honest,

849
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: which they've done because yeah, and we talked about on

850
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: the Draft show. I mean, yesterday we did a thing

851
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: about Harold Landry from Boston College. He was a thirty

852
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: visit guy. You know, if he's available at nineteen, maybe

853
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: you have to make a small trade up to get

854
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: a guy like that. That could be your protection for

855
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: what happens with Lawrence. I don't know. If you want

856
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: to franchise Tag Lawrence again, you might not be able

857
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: to get a deal done. You also have to think

858
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: about defensive tackle because of David Irving. Yeah, they might

859
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: develop for David Irving. At the end of the day too.

860
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: You got all the question marks. You said it with Gregory,

861
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: you said the question marks with Tapper's back. Three of

862
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 1: your four best defensive linemen and six of your eight

863
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: don't have long term futures here. Absolutely, DeMarcus is on

864
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: a one year deal. We'll see what happens with him, right, Tyrone,

865
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I think has two years left on his deal. But

866
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: you can get out of that deal easily starting next

867
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: year if you want to. Not saying they will, but

868
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: you could. David Irving is looking like he's going to

869
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: play this season on a one year deal unless somebody

870
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: comes in with an offer in the next week and

871
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: a half. Yeahs a one year deal and then you're talking.

872
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, basically, MALIEK. Collins and Taco Charlton are the

873
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: only guys on this Tappers probably this was his I

874
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: think this would be Tapper's last campaign. This is yeah,

875
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: and I think he's got another No, he's got two. Well,

876
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: he's got oh, I'm sorry if he were to get

877
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: injured to get two more seasons, but yeah, if he

878
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: doesn't have a good training camp or I've heard in

879
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: the first week of the year that's he's a fourth

880
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: round pick. That's not a hard thing to part ways

881
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: with at all. It's a great guy. You know, any

882
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: people know this. We all know about Dak's mother and

883
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: what he went through throughout college. But for the past

884
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: two years, Charles Tapper's mom has been battling breast catch

885
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: passed away later in the year, and I know, you know,

886
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,959
Speaker 1: that's nothing. But I was talking to him just because

887
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: we're lucky to be here at the Star actually this morning,

888
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: and he was saying, man, you know, it's a different

889
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: thing now seeing what my mom went through in the

890
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: fight that she went through. Yeah, my injuries are nothing,

891
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not saying that ever does anything

892
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: different and how that affects his on field performance, but

893
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: you just want to root for him. I'm really glad

894
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: you said that. It's it's so easy to think of

895
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: these guys as names on a depth chart, and they're

896
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean, they're obviously people. They could go through their

897
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: own things, and Charles Tapper is one of the two

898
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: or three best dudes so kind tire roster. There's no

899
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: doubt about that. But you gotta look at him the

900
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: fourth last pick in twenty sixteen. This thing about that

901
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: and the resource spent on him. Not remember when he

902
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: was drafted. We had a long discussion about the fact

903
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: of where he played at Oklahoma and how he was

904
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: going to play the head He was gonna be the

905
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: starter if he hadn't gotten hurt. Yeah, rookie year, he

906
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: was gonna win that job. Yeah, we're that impressed by

907
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: what you'd say. Yes, well, Leon led had done a

908
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: remarkable job with him because at Oklahoma he was a

909
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: head up five technique guys where he just played and

910
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: all he was was read and react. He was extend, read,

911
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: read and then go. Leon letting those guys. Marinelli have

912
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: got him to play around the edge a little bit

913
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: and he could bend and that's the one thing he did.

914
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: He had explosive quickness. He could bend. But like you

915
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: guys were saying, the injuries have robbed him of any

916
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: real opportunity that he's had. But the problem is, though

917
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: you're you're you know, you keep if he goes into

918
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: the season, all of a sudden something happens. Again. It's

919
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: all like Matt Johnson and guys like that in the

920
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: past that have had gotten and then the pencils there.

921
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: But you can yeah, I mean, that guy has a

922
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: chance to be a really good NFL player, maybe even

923
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: better than what they got with Taco as a pass rusher.

924
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: But it's unfortunate though that he just hasn't been able

925
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: to get on the field. Which it goes back to

926
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: the point that, first of all, you know Cony Ealy,

927
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: he's one of the bigger names they've signed in the

928
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: last couple of years just because you know he was

929
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: a first round target kind of guy. They brought him in. Sure,

930
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: everybody who follows the Cowboys closely knows his name, but

931
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: that's not a deal that alters you're thinking at defensive end,

932
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: which you know, a lot of people I feel like,

933
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: thought that that was the case because they knew the name, right,

934
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: That's not true. I mean, if he has a bad

935
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: training camp again, there's nothing monetarily keeping him here. If

936
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: he's not living up to what they wanted him to be.

937
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: A lot like Demontre Moore last year, he's getting more

938
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: money than that, but not to a degree that it's

939
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: a big deal. His signing bone was only two hundred thousands,

940
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: so exactly. See, this is where too, maybe if Randy

941
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Gregory situation comes in, and you know Randy Gregory, when

942
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory came back, and I believe it's just for

943
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: one game. Yeah, but but in the practice, I mean

944
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: there were things about him in practice where he looked like, Okay, oh,

945
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: Randy Gregor, the explosive guy, the guy around the edge.

946
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: We've seen that. But he's a long long way, but

947
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: there still is that hope. Gregory and Tamper are the

948
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: same exact situation with different circumstances like Gregory's. The things

949
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: that are keeping you from counting on Gregory are more

950
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: of an off the field variety, Tapper, it's more injury bait.

951
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: But like, you want those guys to be here and

952
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: they could both make an impact, But you're making a

953
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: huge mistake if you're counting on that. No, no, I mean,

954
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: but you're But that's again, I guess I'm trying to make.

955
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: Your point is that doesn't keep you from drafting Harold

956
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Landry or something else. There's a big if. Yeah, there's yea,

957
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: all things being equal, and big ifs on money too,

958
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: and years of service for some guys. If he's there

959
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: at nineteen, Harold Landry is absolutely who I would want

960
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: them to take. Yeah, the linebackers over a tackle whatever,

961
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: um I think he could be. You're starting right end

962
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 1: right away. It's interesting to be I'm gonna ask this

963
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: guy question because he was very adamant about getting the

964
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: lineback the linebacker. Yeah, so defensive end or linebacker for

965
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: what you're looking at, or still saying linebacker if they

966
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: moved back Mac, that's I don't think it matters. It

967
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because he's I'm just trying to gauge what positioned,

968
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: what what? What? What messed up the defense last year's absence? Okay,

969
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, Okay, so can't have that happen again. What

970
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: jail'll happen to play too much in? What messed out

971
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: the offense last year? The line? Okay, no backup, swing

972
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: tackles and then run and then right Well, those three

973
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: things they've got to take care of. Okay, you can

974
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: take care of it. What's harder to find a badass

975
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: right end who can get after the quarterback or a linebacker.

976
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: I need how much did we love Anthony Hitchins? Where

977
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: did they find him? Fourth or fourth round? What did

978
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: he do right away? What like? He stepped right in

979
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: with Shaun Lee out played pretty damn well as a

980
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: fourth round rookie, didn't he right? So if you can

981
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: tell me I could maybe find a double digit sack

982
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: end at nineteen for the next five years, or a linebacker.

983
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: I'm taking the end every single time, and I'll take

984
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: my chances with Josie Jewel, Fred Warner or whoever the

985
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: hell else later on. That's just how I feel. So

986
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: if Landry's that good, what's he doing there at nineteen? Well,

987
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: it's the NFL Draft. He's the second best. He's the

988
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: second best Russian in the draft. The Cowboys the only

989
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: ones that need Ado. No, he probably won't be there.

990
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: He probably won't. Why I you would have Caveati? No, no, no, wait,

991
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: but he's a guy. Why are we discussing it? Because

992
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be there because the quarterbacks are gonna push.

993
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 1: Would you move up for him? That's what I was asking.

994
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to go. I think you're

995
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to go to Arizona. Give up your second No,

996
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: Arizona's at fifteen. I think you're gonna have to get

997
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: somewhere between thirteen, fourteen and fifteen to grab him. I

998
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: really really do. Now the team's ahead of you, though,

999
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: some teams looking at offensive players, you know, the Chargers,

1000
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the Ravens all looking at offensive guys. It's

1001
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: if you can get him past a certain level, then

1002
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: you might have a shot at him at nineteen. You

1003
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: really might. It's not overly likely that he'll be there,

1004
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: but it's worth talking about. I mean, we'd fill five

1005
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: hours worth of content a week anyway. Yeah. So I

1006
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: just love the fact that we're having all these discussions.

1007
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: They're so worthy that you have to have them. But

1008
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: come draft night, you never know what's gonna happen. Oh no,

1009
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 1: that's the thing, you know, That's the thing. I mean, obviously,

1010
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: the draft table start and I'm sorry, the draft will

1011
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: you don't know what direction is going to go. I mean,

1012
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: those five quarterbacks can go somebody. Don't even know the

1013
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: direction of our own team. That's the thing. Oh no.

1014
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: And and that's why they're over there right now in

1015
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: day two trying to put that board together and go

1016
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: through those positions and stack that thing up this David

1017
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: said it yesterday on the show This is This Open

1018
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: I had. I had a better idea of what they

1019
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: were going to do at twenty eight last year than

1020
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: I do at nineteen. Right now, Yeah, I really did.

1021
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: I I genuinely think that the same thing. I had

1022
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: a better idea with the Byron Jones draft at twenty seven.

1023
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I feel like like we had about four names and

1024
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: we were But see what's interesting though about what you

1025
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: two Because you would like to go draft Lander. You

1026
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: want to get a linebacker. That's the that's the dynamic,

1027
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: that's the problem that they're going through in their in

1028
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: their room, and well it's right now, okay, who is

1029
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: the guy? Who are the level? What level are these linebackers?

1030
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: What level are these defensive is It's the same thing

1031
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: that got Taco onto this team last year. Way more, way,

1032
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: better chance you're going to find another position at fifty

1033
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: or eighty one than a pass rusher you don't like.

1034
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: You know, you can come up with just about any position,

1035
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: including quarterback Dak Prescott, Tom Brady, where you find a

1036
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: knock them out of the park badass player in Day three,

1037
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: like late rounds of the draft. You don't see it

1038
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: happen that often with pass rushers, right, Great pass rushers

1039
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: go in the first round to great quarterbacks more often

1040
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: than not. Yes, but it can be done. It's very unlikely,

1041
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: I know. But they caught, they caught. They caught the

1042
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: lou Moon with Dak Prescott in the fourth round. I

1043
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing up Dak Prescott again because now

1044
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: we can wrap up whoever participated in our Twitter poll

1045
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: over the last hour and as everyone believes it still

1046
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: fifty one percent say no, not to be worried about

1047
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: the quarterback depth. Nobody loves Cooper Rush more than Cowboys Nation.

1048
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: But that's pretty want him to get a shot. I'll

1049
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: tell you what is pretty being Okay, I went to

1050
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: school in Louisiana, but that's that's pretty half and half. No, well,

1051
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: there's three options. Want rob backs? Okay, it's fifty one

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Speaker 1: skewed our vote over that's Rob the Rob Love is

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Speaker 1: only a veteran backup quarterback. Yeah. Well, thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for joining us. As always, Rob will be back with

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Speaker 1: us next week as we get closer to the draft.

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Speaker 1: But there it's me. You're ready to promote this draft magazine.

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Speaker 1: There is an online copy as well. Read Mickey interviews,

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Speaker 1: reading these guys scouting reports. It is will worth your

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Speaker 1: money and time. All right, Well, thanks for spending your

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Speaker 1: time with us today, guy, How do I get it online?

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Speaker 1: Shop Dallas Cowboys dot com. Mickey, you can buy it.

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