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Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different

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Speaker 1: look at things. J Doherty and John Harris have their

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Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning.

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Speaker 1: Here's Drew.

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Speaker 2: Hey, John, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I am well, Drew. How are you?

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Speaker 4: We are I don't know day of taping. I think

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Speaker 4: we're eight days away from the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah to you, me and you us listening or watching?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the three of us together, It's good. I'm pumped.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: I don't recall like people ask me, wow, it's never

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Speaker 5: been this way, and I say, yes, you're right, it's

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Speaker 5: never been this way.

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Speaker 2: However, it reminds me in.

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Speaker 5: A way of the eleven off season going into twelve

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Speaker 5: merged with the twelve off season going into thirteen, because yeah,

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Speaker 5: thirteen sucked. Yeah, but there was a lot of optimism

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Speaker 5: that year, justifiably so, because you had started eleven to one.

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Speaker 5: You stumbled, but hey, you thought you added some pieces

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Speaker 5: that were gonna make things better, but you didn't have

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Speaker 5: the quarterback you have now, and that quarterback then, Matt Schaub,

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Speaker 5: showed some cracks in the foundation right later in the

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Speaker 5: twelfth season. In retrospect, we see it now you're not

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Speaker 5: seeing You've got a really robust young quarterback who's was

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Speaker 5: at a higher level than Shab was then he's at

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Speaker 5: a higher level than of now and is only ascending.

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Speaker 5: And man, you've added a lot of weapons. What were

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Speaker 5: the weapons around Shaw twelve going into thirteen? Yeah, Andre

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Speaker 5: Johnson and he was still Andre Johnson was amazing. You

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Speaker 5: added DeAndre Hopkins, but he was a rookie. But other

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Speaker 5: than that, Walter, Kevin Walter left and Kevin Walter really

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Speaker 5: you didn't see or hear from him again. He was

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Speaker 5: injured in thirteen in Tennessee Owen Daniels played and was good,

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Speaker 5: and it was was Owen Daniels yep, but that was it.

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Speaker 5: It was Owen and Andre and rookie DeAndre Hopkins. You

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Speaker 5: didn't have these ascending guys like Niko, like Tank. Now

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Speaker 5: you've added in Dalton Schultz or re added him and

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Speaker 5: to Fon Diggs, and it brings me to this. We

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Speaker 5: heard on Monday from CJ.

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Speaker 2: Stroud.

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Speaker 5: You've touched on this with VanderMeer, but we heard about

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Speaker 5: the excitement over John Metchi the third. Yeah, those guys

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Speaker 5: are working out and he'd love to see it because

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Speaker 5: this time a year ago, CJ had locked down pretty

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Speaker 5: much and was just doing final thirty visits before the draft.

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Speaker 5: Now he's actually working with guys he's gonna throw too

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Speaker 5: in the fall. He's working with Tank Dell, he's working

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Speaker 5: with Deco Collins, he's working with Stefan Diggs. And John

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Speaker 5: Metchi was in the mix as well, and he said, man,

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Speaker 5: he looked really good. And it's something that bears repeating.

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Speaker 5: And I think we ought to dig a little deeper

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Speaker 5: because last year was Mechi's rookie year.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play.

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Speaker 5: His knee was blown out and he was recovering from that.

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Speaker 5: He had freaking lymphoma and was coming off of that.

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Speaker 5: Yet he still he caught a few passes. Ransom Enda

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Speaker 5: Rounds was dipping his toes in the water, but he

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Speaker 5: was down the chart of guys who made big, big

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Speaker 5: impacts catching the ball as a receiver. What's it mean

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Speaker 5: if John Metchi in twenty twenty four, John looks like

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Speaker 5: the guy that the Texans invested a second round pick

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Speaker 5: in and thought, hey, we need we need this guy

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Speaker 5: to be a second round pick. We need this got

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Speaker 5: to be a big part of our football team. Do

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Speaker 5: you add him to that mix.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a massive It would be massive for this

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Speaker 3: I mean, I still feel like.

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Speaker 4: Demico hit on it, but I think it bears repeating.

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Speaker 3: You just can't have enough weapons. You really can't.

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Speaker 4: If you think about a seventeen game season and how

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Speaker 4: long and arduous a seventeen game season.

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Speaker 3: Is, it is brutal. I mean it is.

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Speaker 4: Holy cow, Yeah, it's so long. I mean it's long

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Speaker 5: We saw it at its at its zenith in that

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Speaker 5: into it without tank Dell Nico got hurt first or

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Speaker 2: I don't think Noel Brown was kind of limited.

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Speaker 5: They just everything funneled over to Knowing and he got,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't have that if you have the all

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Speaker 3: So what we.

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Speaker 4: Talked, we talked a lot about this in the fall,

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Speaker 4: and you we'd look at the injury report look and go, okay,

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Speaker 4: well this guy's an injury report.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well, as long as we have two.

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Speaker 4: As long as we have two, we have we have Robert,

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Speaker 4: we Nico, we have Tank and Robert.

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Speaker 3: We have Nico and Robert.

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Speaker 4: You know, however, you could put the two combinations, you know,

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Speaker 4: we want to have three, we need to have three.

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Speaker 4: We got to have three. And that just basically was

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Speaker 4: the way of saying we got to have more weapons. Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 4: that's that's something that has to be kept in mind.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, Mechi missed rookie year obviously because of.

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Speaker 3: You know what he was dealing with with le Foma.

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Speaker 4: Tank missed five games at the end of the year.

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Speaker 4: Nico has missed. He missed a number of games in

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Speaker 4: the first two years. I think he missed a couple

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Speaker 3: So he missed it.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise he was magnificent, right, golly.

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Speaker 3: But you have to prepare, you have to.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that that the trade for Diggs is

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Speaker 4: that kind of insurance. Okay, well we got these three

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Speaker 4: guys with Meshi's insurance. No, that's not the way match

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Speaker 4: is looking at it. I could promise you that John

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Speaker 4: Mechi's looking at it saying I didn't have the type

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have that year this year.

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Speaker 4: And obviously, more time you spend with your quarterback, the

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Speaker 4: better off you're gonna end up being. And so I

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Speaker 4: feel for him in some sense because it's the third

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Speaker 3: It's really only.

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Speaker 4: The second year that he's been a football player really

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Speaker 3: But what if we always said about rookie you'r one

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Speaker 3: to year two guys exactly, they make and take that leap.

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Speaker 3: And if he's able to do.

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Speaker 5: That, it's the T word man, tantalizing, Yeah, very much antalizing.

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Speaker 5: If he can do that, and he can, actually it's

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Speaker 5: makes the leap like you're talking about, because Demiko brought

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Speaker 5: you gotta lump him in there. I know he's not

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Speaker 5: technically a rookie. He was, so he was a rookie.

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Speaker 4: It's I kind of just you know, Mark and I

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Speaker 3: Even after the digs trade.

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Speaker 4: I still felt like receiver needed to be on the platter,

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Speaker 4: because this is a receiver class that you that platters nice.

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Speaker 2: It's deep, man.

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Speaker 3: There's caveat over here, Arvin Harrison Junior. There's you know,

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Speaker 3: Filet Mignon over here. That's Roma Dunes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got all kinds of things on the buffet,

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Speaker 4: and you don't want to miss out on a buffet.

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Speaker 3: Even if your buffet is really good back home, you

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Speaker 4: So I always thought, Okay, maybe it's not pick forty two,

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Speaker 4: he's come off of that, they look at Mechi as

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Speaker 4: and I was like, no, I don't think you could

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Speaker 3: Players in this twenty twenty four draft.

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Speaker 4: They're different from everybody else that you have here that

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Speaker 4: definitely protect for the future because you may have Nico

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Speaker 3: So you got to be prepared for that.

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Speaker 4: Not saying that you go and take a receiver with

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Speaker 3: Good draft of receivers.

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Speaker 4: But Metchi is going to, if anything, take whatever rookie's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so completely and fully that.

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Speaker 4: They're going to think about me as the number three

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Speaker 4: far removed from that that I'm gonna have that kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and hopefully that's what what ends up happening.

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Speaker 5: Tantalizing. T word tantalizing, because I still think you can

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Speaker 5: add in a rookie and yeah, absolutely why I think

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Speaker 5: they will. Why not stockpile of strength make it to happen.

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Speaker 5: Strength strength, Yeah, so tantalizing. All right, let's let's let's

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Speaker 5: pivot a little bit to a different playmaker spotted off

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Speaker 5: and she brought up Joell Mix and what he can do.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people have thrown dirt on the I

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Speaker 5: think premature grave that is Damian Pierce. Let's let's just

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Speaker 5: best case scenario, Damien Pierre, the light bulb goes off,

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Speaker 5: he's figured out this offense, he's a piece and he's

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Speaker 5: if that's the case, if everything goes swimmingly for Damian Pierce?

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Speaker 5: Because man, that guy was the like one of the

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Speaker 5: a nasty campaign twenty twenty two. He was so much

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Speaker 5: fun to cover. He was such a breath of fresh

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Speaker 5: lot closer to who that guy was than what we

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Speaker 5: saw of him last year? What's that mean for this team?

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Speaker 4: Well, here's and I've had this thought of how and

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Speaker 4: Mark asked me this, how our defense is gonna game

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Speaker 4: the things that you have to do when you game plan,

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Speaker 4: the first thing you have to do is, Okay, what

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Speaker 3: What do we want to take away? What can we

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Speaker 3: not live with getting beat with? Is it CJ throwing

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Speaker 4: That's the kind of thing he could provide. So you're

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Speaker 4: And once everybody gets on the same page and they understand, Okay,

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Speaker 4: have Damian Pierce. I think I would like to see

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Speaker 4: So I do think that Damian Pierce can have an

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Speaker 5: And you think there are some guys we've talked about

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Speaker 3: Our final one more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not our final one, but our just final one

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Speaker 5: out on Wednesday. Draft starts Thursday. Texans pick Friday or

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Speaker 5: do they do they pick sooner, do they pick later.

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Speaker 5: I think they'll pick Friday.

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Speaker 3: They'll definitely pick one player Friday.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're gonna picknybody Thursday. I don't think

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Speaker 5: But there these are the things I think. I don't

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Speaker 3: How many players do they select on Friday night?

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Speaker 5: On Friday Night that six, I think they're gonna wind

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Speaker 5: will be a package of stuff. I mean, there's so much.

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Speaker 5: I get the feeling they're gonna be taking four guys.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna take two twos and two threes. Ultimately, I

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Speaker 3: That's gonna be the most important.

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be stunned if they moved back from

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Speaker 4: No, I agreed, But depending on what happened with that

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Speaker 4: And Nick talks about pods, pods of players. If there

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Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, there's.

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Speaker 5: A lot of out here. Yeah, that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I love talking about this with you.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, man, we're gonna do that mock draft simulator

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Speaker 5: that next week. And then I've got another tantalizing current

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