1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is all they called 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer, 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You 8 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: you to know. This is a doozy. Trying to figure 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: out an entry point into this story was pretty tricky. Uh. 11 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: Let's just say cults exclamation mark, question mark, cults and 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: family strife right right. Uh. Today's story takes us to Brazil, 13 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 1: and we want to start by thanking multiple listeners, including 14 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: friend of the show E m W for hipping us 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: to this very strange case that is currently unfolding. A 16 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: lot of times we're careful when we explore unfolding cases 17 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: because the information may change, you know, at any given moment. 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: But we're going to give you the facts as they 19 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: stand now. You're right, Matt. This story includes family at 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: the heart of it, right, which is misleading lye wholesome 21 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: in the sound it includes allegations of cults, gospel, government, conspiracy, 22 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: and crime. This is the yet unfinished story of Floor 23 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: Delish do Santos de Salsa. We are not Portuguese speakers, 24 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: so please pardon any mispronunciation speed bumps here. Uh the 25 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: name might be unfamiliar to a lot of our fellow 26 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: listeners outside of Brazil, so it's it's tough to figure 27 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: out how to unravel this Gordian nod of grizzly crime. 28 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Let's start at the beginning. Here are the facts for 29 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: anybody who was not brazilient who is Floria de Leash, Yeah, 30 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Florida list dos Santos de Susa. Hope I did that? Okay. 31 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Was born in uh in a favela in Rio de Janeiro, 32 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: and that's essentially a slum. If anyway, if anyone's ever 33 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: seen UM the movie City of God, that's a great 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: kind of inroad into the little bit of the politics, 35 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: the crime, inner workings, and also the living situations of 36 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: this part of the country. Um Florida Lee's early life 37 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: was defined by a lot of tragedy, but also kind 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: of the notion of being saved and and being taken 39 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: in by religion. UM in a very very transformative way. 40 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: At the age of fourteen, she lost both her father 41 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: and her brother in a car accident um, and she 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: found peace and comfort and solace in church. In the church. 43 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: When she was very very young, her family was active 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: in evangelical communities, and as a child Florida Lee would 45 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: visit different churches which were referred to in the area 46 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: often as evangelical cults um. And she was a big 47 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: part of the what we guys, I guess you could 48 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: probably describe as gospel singing um in various church choirs, 49 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: but it was much more of that very kind of 50 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: highly energetic and almost a form of a reverie that 51 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: you you know, experience where there like the word of 52 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: the God is moving through you and song, yeah, and song. 53 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Music within the church really would be one of the 54 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: biggest defining things in her life. I mean also as 55 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: well as the tragedy also that we've we've mentioned there, um, 56 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: But the music is what ends up making this a 57 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: story that we are telling you about right now in 58 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: this weird way, the music takes her on this path 59 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: to uh to where a lead really yeah, yeah, that's 60 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: a very good point, Matt. So she was, like many 61 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: many people of faith in Brazil. She was active in 62 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: the evangelical movement. She lived a very wholesome life from 63 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: the outside. Eventually she married, she had several children, and 64 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: she was later tragically abandoned by her husband. But her 65 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: charitable work began attracting media attention. In n when she 66 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: was thirty two years old, she began conducting social work 67 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: programs to assist impoverished drug users, drug abuse being a 68 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: you know, a huge problem in a lot of low 69 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: income areas of the world, not just Brazil. And she 70 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: met one Anderson, Docarmo Desosa. She would go on to 71 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Mary Anderson. There is way more to this story, but 72 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: just remember those as for now. There was also a 73 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: market age difference floora Delicia was sixteen years older than Anderson. Uh, 74 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: you know, no judgment. A lot of people have beautiful 75 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: relationships with age differences, right. And she reached another incredibly 76 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: unusual milestone that same year she adopted children. And you know, 77 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 1: a lot of us in the audience today we are 78 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: maybe adopted ourselves, or we have adopted children, or we 79 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: know someone who has, and we know that it can 80 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: be a tremendously difficult process, right, I think we talked 81 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: about foreign adoptions too in the past briefly. But what 82 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: made what way floora delicias adoption process so unique? Well, 83 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: and she didn't adopt one child or you know, maybe 84 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: siblings or something. She adopted um victims of a tragedy, 85 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: children whose family These were killed in a major incident 86 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: there in the favela where she lived, and there were 87 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: thirty seven children that she adopted. M hmm, yeah, you 88 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: heard that correctly, thirty seven all at once. By the way, 89 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: there's a strange note, they're right, a little bit of 90 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: a discordant news in our song or an inspiring one, 91 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: depending on how familiar you become with this story. It 92 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: didn't stop there. As of today, Floor Delish has a 93 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: total of four biological children and more than fifty adopted children. 94 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: She did not stop at thirty seven. This, this massive 95 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: adoption was seen as an unbelievable, almost superhuman active charity. 96 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: It catapulted her into the public eye as one of 97 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: the kindest, most wholesome people in the country. And now 98 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: there's even a film based on her life. The English 99 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: title is Floor Delish. It takes but one word to 100 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: change basta. It's also like it's um starring a lot 101 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: of very very big names in Brazilian cinema, So I 102 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: mean she is absolutely a household name, and the story 103 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: would have resonated, uh in the same way a story 104 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: about like a massive celebrity or political figure here in 105 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: the United States would have. So it was like a 106 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: big deal over there, but we just don't really get 107 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: any of that over here. It's something we had to 108 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: kind of do a lot of digging for. It's interesting. Yeah, 109 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: think about that. Uh, A woman decides to take on 110 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the lives of all of these children, to support them, 111 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: to be the mother to them, right, I mean, that's incredible, 112 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,119 Speaker 1: and and she's continuing to do that. You can totally 113 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: imagine why that part of her life, that that story 114 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: in her life is worth making a film about that. 115 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: That's and in um, that's an inspiring thing if that's 116 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: all you know. And yeah, this is this is comparable 117 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: in some ways to UH to the fame enjoyed by 118 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: Mother Teresa in her heyday before the UH the abuse 119 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: witnesses came out. You're right, noal about the actors. These 120 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: are Brazilian A list stars, the kinds of people who 121 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: make millions as actors. Many of them refused to be 122 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: paid for their performances because they thought they were doing 123 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: a kind of a good deed a mitzvah by by 124 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: spreading the story of this this legendary um grace, you know, 125 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: this near saintly action. And the profits from the film, 126 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: which did quite well, went to support her enormous family. 127 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: And so now here we are, if we're her, Uh, 128 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: we have again a gigantic family. We have at the 129 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: very least become one of the most popular, well known 130 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: people in Brazil or all of Latin America. We finally 131 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: have enough money to buy a new house. What's what's next? 132 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: And all of this led to I mean, first of all, 133 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: she's got this almost saintly kind of profile in in 134 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: in her in her country. Um. And all of this 135 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: leads to a very high profile and fascinating multi tiered 136 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: career that we're going to talk a little bit more 137 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: about after one quick sponsor break and we're back. Um, 138 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: as we were talking about before the break, Uh, you know, 139 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: flor de Ly is almost attained already this kind of 140 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: legendary status. These you know, a lists Brazilian actors are saying, no, 141 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: I refused to take any salary I want to do 142 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: this service, you know, to this amazing human being, to 143 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: spread the word, to tell her story. Um, you really 144 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: hit right on the headband very much a Mother Teresa 145 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: type figure. So that's the film is an absolute blockbuster 146 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: in Brazil. Um. She then uses that cloud and notoriety 147 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: to pursue her her first love. I guess after God 148 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: would have been singing about God gospel music. She already 149 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: has this kind of captive audience, this this fan base 150 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: that she just wants to grow, um even further, and 151 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: she does just that. Um, because she's basically this cult 152 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: of personality at this point. Um, she's this absolutely curated 153 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,599 Speaker 1: cult of personality. And should you wish, wait till the 154 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: end of this episode, But should you wish, you can 155 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: find her music on YouTube, and you can find her 156 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: albums on Spotify. I strongly advise you wait for the 157 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: rest to the episode before you make that decision. But 158 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: she she wasn't, she wasn't alone in her rise to 159 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: fame because her husband, Anderson was no uh, no sit 160 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: at home kind of guy, right right, No, Now, he 161 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: was out there pounding the pavement for the Lord as well. Yeah, 162 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: he's an enormously successful evangelical pastor. Uh. You can read 163 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the rise of the evangelical 164 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: movement in the Atlantic. There's a great article called the 165 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Rise of the Brazilian Evangelicals that gives gives a good 166 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: sense of the cultural context. But for for our purposes today, 167 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: just picture Anderson as the one of the most famous 168 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: religious figures in your part of the world, right, living 169 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: religious figures. I mean it's not quite the Pope, of course, 170 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: but he is. He is someone that is very well known. 171 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: If you're an evangelical in Brazil, were very much aware 172 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: of this man, that he and his wife are a 173 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: countrywide power couple. Right, but things are things are getting 174 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: weird behind the curtain. Things are definitely getting weird. By 175 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: the way, I imagine Anderson as Robert Tilton. I don't 176 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: know if you remember that guy, but that's who I 177 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: imagine him as in my head. I don't know if 178 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: any of you know who Robert Tilton is. He He 179 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: became famous for his compilations or compilations that were made 180 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: of him where where he flatulates a lot, but he's 181 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: not really. But it's the farting preacher. If you don't 182 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: know what that is, then the famous preacher. Yeah, but 183 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: Robert Tilton is a real preacher and he's a real 184 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: evangelical guy. But I'm just imagining this guy as that. 185 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: It's it might not be a good one to one, 186 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: but that's what I've got in my head. Um. I 187 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: used to watch him when I was a kid growing up. 188 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: Really weird stuff. Is he is the farting just part 189 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: of his stick or is it just happening to video 190 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: catching him farting. No, he's not actually hooting at all. 191 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: There's no there's no tooting whatsoever. It's just something the 192 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: Internet made anyway. Sorry, that's just how people know him, 193 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: I guess. Now, So the problem here is you've got 194 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: you've got several avenues of money for this family, right, 195 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: You've got anything that's like coming in from that movie 196 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: that was made. You've got Anderson's stuff going on over 197 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: here with the evangelical church, all the money, I guess 198 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: the money that comes in tax free, uh, for all 199 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: of that. Then you've also got her whole career as 200 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: a singer, right, there's money coming in there. You've got 201 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: really three major tiers of money. I'm assuming there's other 202 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: stuff too, with the real estate or other things that 203 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: we just don't know about our privy. We're not privy too. 204 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: But Anderson really starts grabbing the reins for all of 205 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: that stuff. He starts taking over all of the family finances. 206 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: And in a lot of relationships, controller finances can become 207 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: a major issue, and in this family it became a 208 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: very big problem. Oh no kidding, yeah, I mean financial 209 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: imbalance leads us to the problem of hierarchy and consent, 210 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: right Can someone consent to one who controls them? Can 211 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: they truly do? So? That's it's a huge problem with 212 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: human society, and it's compounded when the stakes are this high. 213 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: I would add one more income stream, which would be 214 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: um non church related donations to the family, but those 215 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: are those are inconsistent, you know. Uh So Anderson is 216 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: not just taking control of the family finances, He's also 217 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: taking control in a way. He's almost fighting a cold 218 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: war with lor Delia over the over like things as 219 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: small as the chores in the house, over the decision 220 00:14:54,640 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: making process for the family and this small all army 221 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: of children. And we want to plant that scene. That's 222 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: that's what's happening behind the scenes. But if you were 223 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: the average Brazilian at this point, it's still hunky dory, 224 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Mother Teresa got married and 225 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: these children are growing up, they're doing well. What an inspiration. 226 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: This fame, this religious base, and this secular fame in 227 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: music became a wonderful avenue into politics. There was a 228 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: calculation here and Florida de Las first ran for a 229 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: city council position in two thousand and four, then she 230 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: ran for mayoral position in two thousand and sixteen, and 231 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen. Very recently, to give you a 232 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: sense of how the story develops, she was elected to 233 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: the federal Congress in Rio. She was I think she 234 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: got two d votes. She's commonly referred to in the 235 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: Brazilian media is the most voted woman for Congress, meaning 236 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: that she was the most popular candidate there. And there's 237 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: absolutely no denying that her religious backgrounds, her charity work 238 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: all played a role in this election. I mean, if 239 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: you had the chance to vote for someone you genuinely 240 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: believed was the nicest person post Jesus Christ, how could 241 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: you not well. Brazil is also like infamous for having 242 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: one of the most corrupt political systems like on the planet. 243 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: I mean, apparently there are so many people that just 244 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: like us their vote as a protest vote and just 245 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: make up like joke candidates because the kind of I 246 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: don't know, status quo is so corrupt and everybody knows it, 247 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: they don't even want to participate in it. Like I 248 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: think in the fifties, black rhino um got more of 249 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: the popular vote for like a city council position in 250 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: sal Polo, but obviously couldn't couldn't be elected because you know, 251 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: it's a black rhino um. But it makes sense to 252 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: your point been that someone like this would be just 253 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: seen as a beacon of light in such a you know, 254 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: rotten and corrupt system. Yeah, we've got a quote here 255 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: from uh Camara dot l e G dot b R website. 256 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Here it's um Camaro dos Deputados UH and it's just 257 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: a quick quote from her when she was elected. I'm 258 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 1: just gonna read that to you right now. Says I 259 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: will fight for the family, for life, for the woman. 260 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: I also want to look for resources for the communities, 261 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: for the construction of sports courts in areas at risk. 262 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: I will fight for children and adolescents to have an 263 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: occupation and the traffic does not embrace them. Now that 264 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: has gone through Google Translate, and it is not perfect um, 265 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: but you can at least get a sense in English 266 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: of what she's fighting for, and you can see that, 267 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: you know, those are values that I think a lot 268 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,719 Speaker 1: of us would want to support. On the face if 269 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: you're going to go into a voting booth and cast 270 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: your vote for somebody that maybe you identify with, Yeah, 271 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: who's gonna disagree? What what? Who You're gonna vote for? 272 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: The monsters in the race? That I mean, it reminds 273 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: me of the way that so many sketchy, uh private 274 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: or government institutions and initiatives always have these innocuous, benign 275 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: names like Project for a New American Century or you know, 276 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: children and Puppies Playing Incorporated. It's it's calculated right there. 277 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: You you would feel like a bad person if you 278 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: didn't cast that vote. Perhaps it's an appeal to a 279 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: to emotion, and it's quite effective. When she becomes a 280 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: federal deputy for the state of Rio de Janeiro, and 281 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: at the time of this recording early September, she technically 282 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: retains this position today. Unfortunately, as so often happens in life, 283 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: she met with triumph and disaster. You know, one in 284 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: each hand. That same year, her husband, the evangelical leader Anderson, 285 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: was found murdered. Police began investigating. His body was found 286 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: as he you know, he had been clearly returning home 287 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: on the night of June six. The family claimed that 288 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: Anderson had been murdered in a botched robbery attempt. And 289 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: this is perhaps where our story actually begins. Here's where 290 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. So the police are very well aware 291 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: of who this woman is, right, they think the same 292 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: very They have the same kind of public image burned 293 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: in their minds as everybody else. But they have to 294 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 1: do their job, so they begin investigating, and that's when 295 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: they discover some bizarre facts. We talked about that age 296 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: difference earlier. There's a reason that floor Del is uh 297 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: sixteen years older that her husband. Yea, yeah, you see, 298 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: before he was her spouse, he was her adopted son. Oh, 299 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: I feel like we get a dunt Dunn sound cue there, 300 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: And that's like the twist in the movie. Oh yeah, 301 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: maybe that's in the sequel for the two thousand million films. 302 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: Before the two married, Anderson also dated one of one 303 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: of Floria dilliss other children, biological child named Simul that's right. 304 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: When Simone and Anderson broke up, Anderson and Florida Les 305 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: began dating then. So police also found that before adopting 306 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: that total of fifty one children, Florida Les had a 307 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: smaller family of about seven children. Um. The older kids, 308 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: the biological kids, and the first five adopted kids were 309 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: considered the A kids. Let that sink in for a second. Yeah, 310 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: and then if you got an A team, you got 311 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: you gotta have a B team. And that's what the 312 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: other kids were considered, the be kids. The eight kids 313 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: could go to certain they had like free run of 314 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: the house basically, Uh, they had all the privileges. The 315 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: other kids were confined to certain parts of the house. Uh. 316 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: They also received better food. Um. The younger children were 317 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: given nothing but scraps in the b the B kids 318 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: old pasta, you know, stale bread, stuff like that that 319 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: you would probably typically feed to like the dog or 320 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: or toss. Yeah, and this is important. People were not 321 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: aware of this hierarchy outside of the family for a 322 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: long time. Uh. This is what witnesses are talking about 323 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: when they say that the public image did not match 324 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: the practice in private. Reportedly, the parents kept so many 325 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: children as kind of a marketing employ and a source 326 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: of income, so it was perhaps not as altruistic as 327 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: it appeared to be in the media. One deputy involved 328 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: with the homicide case has said that the money from 329 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: the ministry was directly used to maintain the luxuries to 330 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: which this individual had become accustomed. That's right. And there's 331 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: one other thing here, but you know what, it's the 332 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: next part is really messed up, and we're gonna save 333 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: it until we get back from this next break, and 334 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: we'll tell you why. This very strange situation. As we're 335 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: beginning to see it come to shape, woo, it gets weirder, 336 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,880 Speaker 1: and there may have been, as we said at the top, 337 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: some kind of cult going on here. We'll tell you 338 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: right after this break we've returned. Um, anybody with siblings 339 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: knows that the feeling of favoritism is a horrible thing, 340 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: even if it's just kind of a narrative we've made 341 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: up in our own minds, this is real favoritism, and 342 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,239 Speaker 1: this was dangerous. There were allegations of abuse, but there 343 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: were also first hand reports, eyewitness reports, and allegations of 344 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: a cult. The following material may not be suitable for 345 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: all listeners. One of these sons, adopted by the couple, 346 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: told the media that in the nineteen nineties he was 347 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: forced to undergo an initiation process to become a member 348 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: of the family. He was isolated, locked in a room 349 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: addressed all in white. He was on a subsistence diet 350 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: of vegetables and rice. He said that he witnessed other 351 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: children using their blood to write psalms in religious rights, 352 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: and eventually he was forced to undergo a purification ritual. 353 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: This purification ritual was that was sleeping with his adopted mother. 354 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: Twist number two. Yeah, well, yeah, that's a rough one. 355 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: And again, these are alleged things, right, Um, it certainly 356 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: isn't to say that we don't believe these children and 357 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: you know younger adults who they're younger adults now who 358 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: are coming forward and seeing these kinds of things. Um, 359 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: but they are alleged at this point. We have to 360 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: we have to keep that in there just so you're aware. Yeah, 361 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: and as you said Ben at the top of the show, 362 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: this is an ongoing story. So we're reporting what we 363 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: know based on things that have been that have come 364 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: to light thus far, and it is developing, so more 365 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: of this will be confirmed. Or or what what whatever 366 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: where there's going to be more information that's going to 367 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: come out in the coming months and and beyond yea 368 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: the fog of war, right such as for a battlefield. 369 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: If this stuff is true, it has the makings of 370 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: a cult. And we are typically on this show pretty 371 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: pretty careful with the C word because one person's cult 372 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: is eight other person's deeply held religious belief system, So 373 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: we have to be careful, uh with this, But it 374 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: does it does seem pretty cult. Like there were other 375 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: strange religious rituals, bizarre sexual rights, yes, all all kinds 376 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: of things. I just wanted to bring up our past 377 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: discussions of cults in One of the primary ways to 378 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: identify a cult is whether or not there are people 379 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: being targeted for recruitment who are at the lowest levels 380 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: on their luck right there. The they're not doing well, 381 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: they have nowhere to turn to, and then the cult 382 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: or the organization reaches a handout and says, hey, we're 383 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: here for you. Let us be the ones who take 384 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: you in. And you know, I can't see for sure 385 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: that's what happened with all of those children that were 386 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: taken in by by the family early on, but my goodness. 387 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't be better to be shaped mind 388 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: and body, everything, but younger people who lost their families. 389 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: That is a really good point that this reminds me 390 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: where you're going. Uh. We do. We did construct guide 391 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: a checklist for the defining characteristics of a cult. Check 392 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: out our video on YouTube dot com slash conspiracy stuff. 393 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: This done. As you mentioned this, Matt, this does tick 394 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: a lot of the boxes that we mentioned in that video. 395 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: Deprivation of material goods and sleep. Uh, task that you 396 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: can never quite accomplish to the satisfaction of your superiors. 397 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Control of sexual relationships, that's a big one in cults. Uh. 398 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: And also physical abuse. You know. Floyd de Leash was 399 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: known to keep up. Was alleged to have a baseball 400 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: bat that she kept handy to hit the children, usually 401 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: the b kids that she found misbehaving. Her biological daughter 402 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: Simone was kind of an overseer and used as a spy. Yeah. 403 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: I mean just it's just it's so disturbing, and you 404 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: know that again that is all happening here. But the 405 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: other thing is the thing we mentioned at the top 406 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 1: of the show, a murder. The husband was murdered and 407 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: just before we jump into the unfolding events that are 408 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: having right now and what went down over the course 409 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: of a couple of days there. I wanted to mention 410 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: something that I'm not proud of. I for a long 411 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: time would frequent the website live leak dot com. It's 412 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: nothing against live leak as an organization. I don't know 413 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: anything about you. Live Leak not talking down to you 414 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: in any way, but the content that's posted there is 415 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: often very grizzly or something I don't want to watch, 416 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: but almost almost feel like I have to watch sometimes 417 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: when whenever we're reporting on something where there's a video 418 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: that the news won't show or you know, some of 419 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: the organization won't put up in post or repost, live 420 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: leak generally is going to have it. And one thing 421 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: that there's there's one type of video that has posted 422 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: there a lot, and it is robberies that occur in 423 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: and around Rio Rio de Janeiro, and a lot of 424 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: times it they are attempted robberies as a vehicle is 425 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: coming home to their house and they're generally gate This 426 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: is a massive generalization. It's not true for every home, 427 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: but if there is a gated area for that home, 428 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: many of these videos feature someone trying to get into 429 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: that gate, or stopping the gate from closing, or ambushing 430 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: someone just as it's occurring. I just want to put 431 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: that in your mind as a very common, not extremely 432 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: common occurrence. I'm not going to paint the entire city 433 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: region Rio de Janeiro is a dangerous place like that, 434 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: but it is an unfortunate side effect of having vast 435 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: inequality existing in such close quarters, um in a city. 436 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: And it's also it's a point to the plausibility of 437 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: what happens next, right, and what we're what we're about 438 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: to hear. Yeah, So the police investigation, it starts with 439 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: a tragic but plausible event, and police learned that things were, 440 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: as we alluded to earlier, not well in the house, 441 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, when the cameras were off and when no 442 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: one is doing interviews. Things were the chaotic leading up 443 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: to the day of the homicide. Again on June six, Anderson, 444 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: you see, wanted a divorce. Floria Delis was against this 445 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: BIB for several reasons. First, financial reasons, a divorce would 446 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: create pandemonium in the family because if they split it 447 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: fifty fifty. Think about it this way, Uh, Anderson would 448 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: get of the family fortune, and then everybody else UM 449 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: probably waited toward Flora Delicia in the eight kids. Everybody 450 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: else would have to split the other half between fifty 451 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: plus people. That was a non starter. And then the 452 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: second reason is we have to consider this carefully crafted 453 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: public image. A divorce would be a terrible, terrible look 454 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: for such a highly regarded religious family. And there are 455 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: quotes from Florida last to self saying we can't divorce. 456 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: It would be scandalous to God. So with with that note, 457 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: it does for all that at least in that because 458 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: that was an internal explanation to some of the adopted children. 459 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: It feels like maybe there's some genuine belief there in 460 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: terms of religious values, but it's kind of hard to 461 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: square with the later behavior. Okay, So outside of the divorce, 462 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: the tensions that were existing there between Florida Lesh and 463 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: Anderson to the compo, I believe Um Anderson, there was 464 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: some other family tension going on between some of the 465 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: children and Anderson the father, right, the father of the family, UM, 466 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: and and it's you know, this is stuff that we're 467 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: reading specifically the English sources. I are British, I believe 468 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: the ones that we're looking at, BBC, the Guardian. Uh, 469 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: that's mostly where I'm looking at sources for this. But 470 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: there are stories that are coming out about what is 471 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: going down about perhaps what the what some officials know, 472 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: some law enforcement officials, but it's a bit tough to 473 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: know exactly where some of the some of the information 474 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: is coming from. UM. Well, we'll alert you whenever we 475 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: can tell you like it more specifics. But here's here's 476 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: the story that we know as of right now on 477 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: what is this September nine, today September apparently Florida leash 478 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: and at least one daughter, Simone, we're attempting to poison 479 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: Anderson prior to his death several times, according to the 480 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: stories there exactly uh seven. There were some weird things 481 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: going on with internet searches with Simone where she had 482 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: been looking up how to use what were they talking about? Cyanide? 483 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I think cyanide. It's it's strange to see people's net searches. 484 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: It's stuff like poison that is legal assassin where to 485 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: find you know, Uh, authorities, if you're out there, don't 486 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: ever look at our internet. I think about that every 487 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: time they get a new every time the company changes 488 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: ownership or we get a new I t person. I 489 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: always think, just for a second, should I send them 490 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: an email or should I just let this surprise be 491 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: something they they uncover organically. It's about the journey. But 492 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: you're right, Uh, there were also there are also a 493 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: lot of sexual tensions because, uh, the be unfortunate person 494 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: who talked about the purification right was not the only person. Uh, 495 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: the only child sexually evolved allegedly with the mother. Uh. 496 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: And Anderson himself apparently was also known to sleep with 497 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: some of the other adopted children. Some of the other 498 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: adopted him iological children were also involved sexually with one another. Yeah, 499 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean there's some weird stuff going on there. Again, 500 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: like Ben said, all allegedly same with the poisoning. But 501 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: one one story that did come out of that poisoning, 502 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: just before you jump back into too far the other 503 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: stuff is that you know, the target, at least according 504 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: to the story, was always Anderson to get rid of 505 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: this father figure, but a ton of people in the family, 506 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: multiple people in the family ended up getting poisoned. Um 507 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: on In all of these are in several of these 508 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: various attempts where they're poisoning food, right, That's that's how 509 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: it was done. Uh, something that was can be consumed, 510 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: and then there's a ton of other people in the house, 511 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: and somebody else ends up having a little bit of 512 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: that poison and getting very sick, but not dying. So, 513 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: as you said earlier, Matt, it is completely plausible, if tragic, 514 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: for a robbery of this time to occur and for 515 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: a homicide to result. However, this story makes national news 516 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: because it is incredibly unusual for federal congress person's spouse 517 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: to be murdered in cold blood. Again, consider the fact 518 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: that this is this is essentially the murder of a celebrity. 519 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: You know, the odds are that the robber, well, the 520 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: odds are pretty good that the robber, whomever they may be, Uh, 521 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: if they got a good look at this person, they 522 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: would have known who they were robbing. And even if 523 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: this person was unaware of who they were robbing, the 524 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: method in which Anderson was killed is um is unlikely 525 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: in that scenario. So just think about all these things 526 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: as we continue down the path here. Yeah, I mean 527 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: when he was quote unquote robbed uh and murdered on 528 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: June six, the story became a massive sensation. The murder 529 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: of a federal congress person's partner was a huge deal. Uh. 530 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: The news and social media UM absolutely ran with it. 531 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: UM and Florida least in an interview at during the funeral, 532 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: Um wept openly and begged for for justice to be 533 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: done for her slain husband. Brazilian media was absolutely on 534 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: fire with increasingly sensationalist claims. UM. There was all kinds 535 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: of salacious little details coming out of the woodwork, things 536 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: like allegations of swingers clubs. Uh. We were kind of 537 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: front and center. UM. For a time, the story kind 538 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: of became less of a big deal. It sort of 539 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: fizzled until that is, UH this year when police finally 540 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: got a break in the case. UM, they accessed the 541 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: phone records of Anderson's immediate family and found out some 542 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: pretty shocking things. Yeah. And part of the reason this 543 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: investigation continued is because this person was a celebrity, because 544 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: they were also in a relationship with a prominent political 545 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: figure and a prominent religious figure. You know. The hard 546 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: truth of the matter is that a person standing in 547 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: society has a tremendous influence on how deeply crimes against 548 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: them are investigated. That holds true for almost every part 549 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 1: of the world. And he was shot thirty times in 550 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: the groined legs. Are at all of those things up. 551 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: That's why the case kept going. And this is an important, 552 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 1: if grizzly note, because imagine if you were robbing someone 553 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 1: and you threaten them with a gun, uh, and you 554 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: you discharge your firearm. Uh you would you stay this 555 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: was from a shotgun, by the way, would you stay 556 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: long enough to discharge that firearm that many times? Or 557 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: would you high tail it so that you were not apprehended? 558 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: They're obvious questions simply in the method of the murder here. 559 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: And as you said, well, this investigation eventually shakes something loose. 560 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: Law enforcement accesses the phones of Anderson's immediate family, and 561 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: then one dark revelation after another falls like dominoes. All 562 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: of those a kids that we mentioned earlier were in 563 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: on a conspiracy to murder Anderson, at least that's what 564 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: the police believe they are accused of doing. That. They 565 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: all were on board with this. Apparently again they're the 566 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: upper echelon of the family and the people who pulled 567 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: the trigger multiple times. We're not just random robbers. First, 568 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: one of the adopted children named Flavio or Flavio is 569 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: apprehended for this. And he said, you know, he is 570 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: the one suspected of actually shooting Anderson. And he turned 571 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: and said that his adoptive brother, Lucas is the one 572 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: who purchased the firearm. So this shows us two things. 573 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: This shows us, first off, multiple actors in the homicide, 574 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: and secondly, it shows coordinated planning. We're we've had enough 575 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: time now to think about this murder that we realize 576 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: it's smarter to put some distance between the person who 577 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: purchases a gun and the person who discharges it, because 578 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: in that gap, in that chain of custody, there there's 579 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: the perfect opportunity to say, well, my gun was stolen exactly. 580 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: And then again, you go back to those phones and 581 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: keep in mind, you know, even if you're not thinking 582 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: about it, if you use a cellular device, any kind 583 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: of smart device whatsoever, to do anything to communicate with people, 584 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: no matter how normal, how benign, or how salacious that 585 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: communication is. It doesn't matter if like what you do 586 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: to that phone, that information is there and authorities can 587 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,959 Speaker 1: access it if you ever get apprehended for any reason 588 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: or another, or if they just decide they want to 589 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: look in your phone for one reason or another. UM, 590 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: when some moons phone one of the children UM was 591 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: looked at. It showed very explicit searches for poison. Like 592 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: we were mentioned at the top um it it was 593 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: poison specifically, Uh that you know what what do we say? 594 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: It was been um sinide like something about how how 595 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: much sinide kills somebody? Or I forget exactly what it was. 596 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: I was looking at the Brazilian whether it's legal to 597 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: buy it and and and this was explained by by 598 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: Simone as an attempt to help figure out what it's 599 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: sickened neighbor's pet a dog. So this again, this is 600 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: a attempt at an alibi. I don't want to be 601 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: glib here, but first, don't kill people. Don't plan a crime. 602 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:29,319 Speaker 1: Uh if you do, if you do want to uh 603 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: research something for any reason that you do not want 604 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: people to know about later, then pie's sake, puts put 605 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 1: some time into you know, browsing a library or something. 606 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: Because this this kind of stuff is a vailance. They 607 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: took the phone, and like you said, Matt, it was 608 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: very easy to follow the bread crumbs here. In defense, 609 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: if you commit a crime. Use your phone, use like 610 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: make sure you log into Google. Google. Yeah, yeah, please 611 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 1: please do that. This is this goes back to our 612 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 1: earlier conversation, which is a true story about our our 613 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: very strange search histories on our work computers and probably 614 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: on our phones as well. I don't know about you, guys. 615 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: I'm always reading something about this kind of stuff. Uh. 616 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: The way I was thinking about this, we took a 617 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: little break off air and I took a sip to 618 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,360 Speaker 1: look at my search history, and yeah, there's troubling things 619 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 1: like Brazilian religious cult, and then there's other stuff like 620 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: role of kiss law Aga in the Ottoman Empire. It's 621 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: the Unich in charge of the Harems, and so, you know, 622 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: throw some obscure history in there so they'll think, look, 623 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 1: may not be perfect, but they're just a podcaster, right, Yeah, 624 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: just type I'm just a podcaster in their search history 625 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: like every two days. But you're you're right, they did 626 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: find this stuff. Uh. That explanation, as you can imagine, 627 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: did not completely satisfy law enforcement all at all. Up 628 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: to this point. Eleven people are gonna end up being 629 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: arrested in relation to this homicide, and there is a 630 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: cinematic movie moment. Here, Uh, these suspects, because they have 631 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: not been convicted, these suspects are rounded up in something 632 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: called Operation Luke twelve. And and matt Uh, you know 633 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 1: for years I have deferred to your biblical knowledge. So 634 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: what what's going on here? Why would they why would 635 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: they call it that? I love the high drama of 636 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 1: the name, But I'm wondering, is it apropos? Relying on 637 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: me for biblical information is your first mistake? M But 638 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: but I'll roll with it here. I spent some time 639 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,880 Speaker 1: in some churches. Um, it's it's a reference to Luke twelve, 640 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: which is in the New Testament as a chapter or 641 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: of Luke. And in this moment, Yeah, Like in a 642 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: lot of the New Testament books, Jesus directly addresses his 643 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: followers right his his disciples, whether it's you know, the 644 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 1: twelve major ones or just other people who are into 645 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,720 Speaker 1: what he's saying. In this case, he's talking to his disciples, 646 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 1: and he says this, there is nothing concealed that will 647 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: not be disclosed or hidden that will not be made known. 648 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: What you have said in the dark will be heard 649 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the 650 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 1: ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the 651 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: roofs um. I gotta say, great job law enforcement to 652 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: find a Bible verse that that connects to this case 653 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: and really tells the story of what was happening here. 654 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: There's something there's there's one note about that I'd like 655 00:44:54,600 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 1: to make, uh. Knowing the powerful role of religion in 656 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: this case, I'm wondering if someone on the law enforcement 657 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: side was, up until the point of this murder themselves, 658 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, a follower or just fans, right, or just 659 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 1: appreciative of what they're doing right. And I can imagine 660 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: there were probably numerous people in law enforcement that felt 661 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: that way about about that family, especially after that movie. 662 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: I think that changed the hearts and minds of a 663 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of people, right. And so the scandals continue to unfold. 664 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: Two other children in the family are arrested on unrelated 665 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:41,759 Speaker 1: charges of domestic abuse and drug trafficking. So things are 666 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: getting increasingly disturbing and ugly here. So what about the 667 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 1: person that Noel mentioned earlier? What about Florida Lish herself 668 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 1: weeping holding an interview at a funeral for her deceased spouse, 669 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: begging for justice to be And where does she square 670 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: into this. Well, police believe that, you know, as we 671 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: said earlier, police believe that she was the force behind 672 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: the murder, that she was the brain behind the trigger, right, 673 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: and she, there's another twist, was not arrested. This is 674 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: fascinating another part of what we talked about on the 675 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: topics of the show, UH, possibly what leads to the 676 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: Brazilian political system being so corrupt. In Brazil, a congress 677 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,320 Speaker 1: person can only be preventatively arrested to avoid the destruction 678 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,760 Speaker 1: of evidence, for example, um, if caught in the act. 679 00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 1: So there they have this thing they're called parliamentary immunity, 680 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: which Florida Lease holds. UM And I was reading some 681 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: some articles about this and about the Brazilian political system, 682 00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,919 Speaker 1: and you know, there's a sense that this loophole has 683 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 1: the potential to attract people that intend to do crime 684 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,000 Speaker 1: to these political posts because it's literally like immunity from 685 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: from any prosecution. UH. Detectives have pushed for her congressional 686 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: status to be revoked, but thus far, no go on that. Yeah. 687 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: I remember, we're still pretty early in the stages here, 688 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: so we'll see how everything shakes out. But we do 689 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,359 Speaker 1: have to go back now and slightly alter our our 690 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: advice we were giving everyone about if you want to 691 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 1: commit a crime, we're just gonna say, go ahead and 692 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: just get elected. If you really want to commit some 693 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: crime and go Yeah, what's that old saying? Uh? What 694 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: is it? If you want to go to prison for robbery, 695 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: rob a bank, if you want to get rich for robbery, 696 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: start a bank, I can't. I'm paraphrasing there, I'm styling 697 00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: on it a little. But we've been pretty careful to 698 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 1: note that these are suspects. Again, no one's been convicted. 699 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 1: We are very careful to note that there are allegations, 700 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: even when their eyewitness accounts, there are still allegations until 701 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,839 Speaker 1: proven in a court of law. But there are some 702 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,439 Speaker 1: people who don't share that same kind of careful caveating 703 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 1: and that hesitancy. Those people are literally all of the 704 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,319 Speaker 1: detectives involved in the case. Like they said, you know, 705 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: she can't be arrested parliamentary immunity. They've pushed for her 706 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: congressional status to be stripped, to be revoked, and the 707 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:39,760 Speaker 1: investigators have publicly stated multiple times that they have zero 708 00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: doubt that Flordelis was the ringleader of this conspiracy. In fact, 709 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,799 Speaker 1: Homicide chief and Tonio Ricardo Lima Nunez noted that all 710 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,040 Speaker 1: in all, about twenty percent of the family seems to 711 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,440 Speaker 1: be involved in this homicide. So this is certainly something 712 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to continue to look at. Hopefully, you know, 713 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,280 Speaker 1: justice whatever whatever that means in this case, will prevail 714 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,280 Speaker 1: in some way or another. But again, we're not gonna 715 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,919 Speaker 1: know for a while. Um, so we're gonna keep looking 716 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,359 Speaker 1: at it. We asked that you keep looking at it too, 717 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: just you know, if you find something interesting, let us know. 718 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,839 Speaker 1: If you hear anything, let us know. If you're in 719 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 1: Brazil especially and uh you speak Portuguese and you're able 720 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: to read some of the initial reporting coming out with 721 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: some of the first the primary documentation that's coming out, 722 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: that would be huge for us because we're having to 723 00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: rely a lot on translation and reporting from Western sources. 724 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,239 Speaker 1: I would just put that out there. Uh. But the 725 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,240 Speaker 1: biggest question we have for for everyone listening is what 726 00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 1: what do you think about all of this, uh, everything 727 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: that was going on with his family, with the way 728 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,239 Speaker 1: money was made by them, by this incredible story that 729 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,799 Speaker 1: Florida Leash had. Let us know, you think about the 730 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: fact that there is certainly more than that initial movie 731 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 1: about Florida Leash that will be coming out. This is 732 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna make for maybe a whole series on Netflix or something. 733 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely please let us know. You can do so in 734 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,960 Speaker 1: the usual ways on social media or we are Conspiracy 735 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: Stuff Conspiracy Stuff Show on Instagram, Twitter, UM, and Facebook. 736 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,919 Speaker 1: You can also join our Facebook group where we tend 737 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: to have pretty regular conversations about new episodes the drop 738 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: and this one I think is gonna be a particularly 739 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: interesting conversation because it is such an ongoing story. So 740 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: look to Here's where it gets Crazy on Facebook for 741 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: posts and updates around the story and uh, you know, 742 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,560 Speaker 1: joining the conversation. UM. If you don't want to do 743 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: any of that, you can also give us a call 744 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 1: at one three st d w y t K, or 745 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,880 Speaker 1: you can leave us a voicemail and maybe be featured 746 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: on one of our listener mail episode. Just be sure 747 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: and let us know if you're okay with that. Hey, 748 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,840 Speaker 1: and remember, maybe you're watching this on YouTube. Maybe you're not, 749 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,279 Speaker 1: But if you want to watch us do this whole thing, 750 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,960 Speaker 1: which you know is fun for us, hopefully it's fun 751 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: for you too. You can find us at YouTube dot com. 752 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 1: Slash conspiracy stuff. Will be posting as many videos as 753 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: we can. They'll mostly be shorter clips from these podcasts, 754 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,960 Speaker 1: but you'll get little moments here and there from a 755 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,680 Speaker 1: lot of the episodes. We think you're gonna like it. Uh, 756 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,320 Speaker 1: let us know what you think they're The comments section 757 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: is open again and we will be in it, especially Ben. 758 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: He assures us that Ben will be in that comment 759 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: section looking for everybody. So no trolls. You control. If 760 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,960 Speaker 1: you want to say that it's gonna happen, there's nothing 761 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: we can do about it. Oh, you're right, you're right, 762 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,359 Speaker 1: but don't invite it. Come on, man, that's right, My goodness. Uh. 763 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: If you don't want to do any of that stuff, UM, 764 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: then you can just us reach out to us the 765 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: old fashioned way by setting a good old email. We 766 00:51:51,800 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: are conspiracy at iHeart radio dot com. Yeah. Stuff they 767 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,800 Speaker 1: don't want you to know is a production of I 768 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit 769 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,840 Speaker 1: the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 770 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.