1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague 3 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: West Hodko. It's we're coming to you here from our 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: studios at lambeau Field. Training camp is underway. Just want 5 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: to give you a rundown now that we're kind of 6 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: in this new production format with being online as opposed 7 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: to on cable television. We still have the podcast obviously, 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: of course, but through training camp we will try to 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: post new episodes Slash Podcast on Mondays and Wednesdays, and 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: then once we get to the regular season, we will 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: revert to what has been our regular season format for 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the past two years, which is five days a week, 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Monday through Friday. So with that, let's get right into it, West, 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: because the Packers as we speak right now, had the 15 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: first few practices of camp under their belt, and it 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: sounds like from what we heard from players in the 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: locker room that things got off to a rather rousing start, 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: you might say, with regards to Mike Petton's opening speech 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: to the team um in one of those team meetings 20 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: the day before the first practice, seems like he really 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: kind of set the tone for what he wants to 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: get out of this camp from his defense, he did, Mike, 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: And the thing that probably stands out to me the 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: most with Petton, and I wrote about this during the 25 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: off season program, he always the three times I think 26 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: he's spoken to the media now every time he coaches 27 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: with we have yet to give up a yard, So 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: you're always going to be in that honeymoon phase zero yards, 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: zero points, so exactly. But I think he's hit all 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: the right notes up until this point. I wrote a 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: story going back to the off season about how he 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: met individually with every defensive player in his position. Coach 33 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: made sure to carve out that time go over goals, 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: had players right down their goals for the upcoming season, 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: something a lot of those guys really responded well to. 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: And now they get back. Mike McCarthy said he wanted 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: first time he's done this, he wanted all three the coordinators, Petton, 38 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Joe Philbin coming back as the offensive coordinator in ron 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: Zook to speak to the entire team offensive defense, defense 40 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: to offense, special teams intertwined into that. He wanted everybody 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: to be on the same page and Petton being up 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: in front of that room in front of Aaron Rodgers 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: those offensive position players, giving them an idea of what 44 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: he expects from his unit, what his philosophy for defenses, 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: and what he believes the role of the defense is 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: in a team's success. And for Aaron Rodgers to go 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: out of his way. He wasn't asked about this speech. 48 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: He brought this up on his own. Yeah. For him 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: to do that in in mentioning that, you know, it 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: was an all timer, a guy that's now in his 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: fourteenth NFL season, that's been through so many different years, 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: so many different coaches, so many different mentors. For him 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: to say that, I think gives you an idea of 54 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: exactly what Petton has done to this point to really 55 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: get guys to buy in. Yeah, And what I liked 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: about what I was hearing from the players in the 57 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: locker room. I go back to a comment that Mike 58 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: Petton made to the media. I believe it was when 59 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: he spoke to reporters during the mini camp in the 60 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: middle of June, and that he said, if he were 61 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: to boil it down to one message to his players, 62 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: it's more important how they play than what they play. 63 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: And what he means by that is the attitude the approach. 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: The mentality of beat the guy across from you is 65 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: way more important than scheme and the xs and ohs 66 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: and anything that he's going to dial up. And I 67 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: asked Tremont Williams about that, Williams obviously having played in 68 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Patton's defense for two years in Cleveland when he was 69 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: the head coach there, and Williams said, flat out that 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: is exactly where he comes from. It's about beating the 71 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: guy across from you. You cannot lean on scheme as 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: a crutch. If a pass rusher, for example, it's having 73 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: trouble getting to the quarterback, don't look to the sideline, 74 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: don't look to the coaches to say, hey, dial something 75 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: up for me to get to the quarterback. No, you 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: beat the guy across from you first, and then then 77 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you know what Williams said, you start mixing in scheme 78 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: to that mentality, then the scheme becomes a bonus. But 79 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: how you win is to be is to win your 80 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: matchup and and and that that message is definitely getting through. Yeah, 81 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: it's the It's a tale as old as time. I mean, 82 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: when you look at winning one on ones in this game, 83 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: it is what it boils down to. And being able 84 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: to if there's gonna be situations where teams double cover 85 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: guy or put two blockers on a pass rusher, the 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: other guys being able to take advantage of that because 87 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: you always are going to have that one for one matchup. 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: I think the thing that that really resonates for me 89 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: so far with pet and coming in here and in 90 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: that message of you know, we're looking for individuals and 91 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: in winning those matchups rather than letting the scheme save you, 92 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: so to speak. Mike McCarthy mentioned, I forget which portion 93 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: of the offseason program this was, but you know, as 94 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: parentially successful as the offense has been top ten and 95 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: whatever it's been now seven in the last nine years, 96 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: something like that, they want the defense to be better 97 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: than that. They don't want the defense to feel like 98 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: the step child. And we've only, at this point in 99 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: time which we're taping the show, had three practices to 100 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: go off of one of those being padded. But there 101 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: just is an energy there um and in in a feeling, 102 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: and I think an attitude that has been instilled with 103 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: these guys that has been passed down and in seeing 104 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: Pett and you know, bringing a couple of extra coaches 105 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: but also finding you know, guys on this current roster. 106 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: You know, you look at a guy like Joe Witt, 107 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: who has been promoted a passing game corter. Their ideals 108 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: a line and they all have a feeling in an 109 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: in an idea of where they want this defense to go. 110 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: And even though it's just been a couple of practices, 111 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: I think you've been able to kind of sense that 112 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: that mentality so far. Yeah, and there's definitely been plenty 113 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: of energy on the offensive side of the tall as well. 114 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: We saw in the first padded practice on Saturday, Um, 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: a tight play in the end zone between Jimmy Graham 116 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: and Josh Jones. They get into it a little bit. Hey, 117 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: you know afterwards both guys brush it off. Hey, that's 118 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: training camp. That's how it goes. But um, but if 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: we want to talk a little bit about the offense, 120 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: you're interesting to see that it looks like Aaron Rodgers 121 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham off to a pretty fast start. Maybe some 122 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: things to work on in the red zone, that things 123 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: weren't quite clicking between them in the red zone work 124 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: on Saturday, But as far as the stuff we've seen 125 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: normal down at distance middle of the field, Jimmy Graham 126 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: definitely making his plays. He certainly is, and again this 127 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: is a guy that you have to see him to 128 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: believe just how big he is and what he offers. 129 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: And seeing those reps against Josh Jones, Josh Jones is 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: a big kid, uh six ft two to twenty and 131 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: you can see the height advantage. And we talked about 132 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: last week and one of our three Things videos when 133 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers with how pinpoint precise he is when he 134 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: puts the ball where the cornerback can't get it or 135 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: the defensive back can't get it. Jimmy Graham also gives 136 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: you a catching radius that widens that whole a little bit, 137 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: and we saw it on a couple. I think one 138 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: of them was that outroute last week was very impressive. 139 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: Um just a really quickly pivot too. Because you mentioned 140 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: the competitive rep between Jones. It doesn't always need to 141 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: be something where guys are having conflict though. I even 142 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: look at you know what Davante Adams and Kevin King 143 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: have been doing in practice. You know there hasn't been 144 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: any bickering or fighting or anything like that. How competitive 145 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: those reps are for a guy that's coming off a 146 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: pro Bowl working against the second round draft pick from 147 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: last year trying to elevate his game. So, whether it 148 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: is a Jimmy Graham and Davante Adams, you look at 149 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: the defense, specifically the guys they get to work against, 150 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and and seeing those two, those two things kind of clash. 151 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: To me, That's what I look for in these practices, 152 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: and as time goes on now too, I think a 153 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: guy like Josh Jones is gonna learn a lot from 154 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: going up against the Jimmy Graham because you know what, Michael, 155 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,559 Speaker 1: there aren't a lot of six seven, two or sixty 156 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: pound tight ends in this league that can do what 157 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham does. Yeah. Absolutely, and and and to uh, 158 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: to expound on Graham a little bit, he had a 159 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: lot of comments. He spoke to the media for the 160 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: first time in a while after Saturday's practice, yet was 161 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: very complimentary, obviously of Aaron Rodgers. He had talked about 162 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: that in April, how excited he is to be in 163 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: this offense. One comment from Graham that really stood out 164 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: to me though, was when he talked about how he 165 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,119 Speaker 1: can completely trust Aaron Rodgers not to throw a ball 166 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: that's going to put him in a bad situation where 167 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: he has to worry about one of those you know, 168 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: across the middle type of hits, or or one those 169 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: blindside type of shots that you don't see coming and whatnot. 170 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: And it got me thinking, I made and I made 171 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: this comment in our Insider Inbox column that you know, 172 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: you and I. Every year there's a there's a few 173 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: days where the group of officials comes in UM they 174 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: show us, They show the media as well as the 175 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: players and coaches a video of rules, changes, points of 176 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: emphasis and all that for the upcoming season. The whole 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: defenseless receiver thing has been a part of that video 178 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,119 Speaker 1: for a number of years now. They've been changing the rules, 179 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: they emphasize different things. I can't recall one time in 180 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: any of those videos that an Aaron Rodgers pass was 181 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: in there. That says something, And that's exactly what Graham 182 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: is talking about. Aaron Rodgers. Not only is his accuracy amazing, 183 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: but he protects his players. His awareness of the field 184 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: is such that he doesn't put his pass catchers in 185 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: a compromising position. And Graham is one of those guys 186 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: who really appreciates three dimensional chess. I don't know how 187 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: many times we've talked about it as it relates to 188 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: him and the pre snap, being able to win that 189 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: battle at the line of scrimma, finding ways to draw 190 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: guys off sides, finding ways to gain a favorable matchup 191 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: for the offense, even you know, the twelve men on 192 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: the field things. But I think that's a really good 193 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: point you raised, because one of the things we never 194 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: talked about because it's not an issue in this offense 195 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: is guys getting lit up because of the ball being 196 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: in a particular place that allows the safety or allows 197 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: the defensive back to come in and lay a heavy 198 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: hit on a guy. Um. And I think when you 199 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: look at Graham in the course of his career, he's 200 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: been able to catch passes from Russell Wilson. I know, 201 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: probably didn't go as well as he wanted it to 202 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: in Seattle, but you know, he also had Drew Brees. 203 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: He's had some high quality quarterbacks to kind of take 204 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: care of him. And now you also have a guy 205 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers who with that precision, with that accuracy, 206 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: also keeps his receiver's health in mind, a really big 207 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: thing not only for the safety of the player, but 208 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: also the health of the football team as a season 209 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: where's on. Yeah, and the fans might be asking, is 210 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: we're discussing this, so what about Davante Adams and those 211 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: shots he took last year? Well, take a look at it. 212 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: The first one against the Bears, it was a short 213 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: pass over the middle. Adams was basically being held up 214 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: by a Bears guy and then another guy comes in, 215 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: Danny Trevathan and clocks him. And then the one in 216 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Carolina was after interception on an interception return, you know, 217 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: which those blindside type of blocks the league is trying 218 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: to eliminate and try to get rid of. Thomas Davis 219 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: just lights up Davante Adams for no reason. So in 220 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: discussing this, that hits that Adams took last year certainly 221 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: not on Aaron Rodgers, although Rogers was not happy about 222 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: the fact he through an interception, Yeah, totally. You know, 223 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: I gotta say this too. I don't know if I'd 224 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: bet a cooler cucumber right now than Davante Adams. I mean, 225 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he was willing to kind of make 226 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: peace with Thomas Davis at the Pro Bowl too. He's 227 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: a He's probably a bigger man than I at that 228 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: point of his season, you know, trying to do in 229 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: a contract. Oh yeah, he's he's in. He's in a contract. 230 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: You're trying to get a new deal and everything. And 231 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 1: then he ends up having to having to sit out 232 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: the last few games with another concussions. It was certainly unfortunate, 233 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: But I agree with you, Davante Adams very big man there. 234 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: But continuing the discussion about the wide receiver's west, you 235 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: wrote about a guy late last week, and we've talked 236 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: a lot about the three rookie d wide receivers, how 237 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: that depth chart is going to shake out. There's a 238 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: young man from Wisconsin, Whitewater. Now it's early in camp. 239 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: We haven't even gotten a family night letter in the 240 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: first preseason games, so we you know, throw in the 241 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: caveat that it's early. But Jake kumarole to me, there's 242 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: nothing and I don't I don't mean this as a 243 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: as a detriment to him. There's nothing that stands out 244 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: to me about him except that when we're watching practice, 245 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: he's getting open and making catches. And that's that's really 246 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: the name of the game here for these young guys 247 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: trying to make the roster. Well, I will say this, 248 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: the thing that stands out to me about him, is 249 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: he six four and twitter and nine pounds. I mean, 250 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: he's a big kid. And let me put it this way, Michael, 251 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: if you didn't know, he was coming from a Division 252 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: three background and Whitewater has had a lot of success, 253 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: power to them for that. But it is still Division 254 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: three football, right, you don't see a lot of it. 255 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: We saw Matt Blanchard at trying to make the roster 256 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: a number of years ago. There isn't always a proven 257 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: path for D three guys in the NFL. If you 258 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: would have told me Jake Kumaroo take away all the 259 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: colleges and asked which one is the Division three kid, 260 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said him on this receiver's roster. That's 261 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: a good point. And that's and that's quite a compliment 262 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: to h Yeah. And and the thing that stands out 263 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: to me is he had a phenomenal practice on Friday, 264 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: had three catches in a two minute period, came back 265 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: right the next period, had a nice play in the 266 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: past under pressure where he was able to split the 267 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: cornerback in the safety, made a nice cut CATCHU believe 268 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: on a corner route. Look great. But what stood out 269 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: to me is Saturday morning, McCarthy was asked about him, 270 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: and there was no surprise. He said that they've been 271 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: seeing this throughout the offseason program. It wasn't a one 272 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: hit wonder. Now, don't get me wrong. Camarade has a 273 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: tough road ahead of him to make this roster. There's 274 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: seven guys at the receiver position right now that have 275 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: been drafted into the NFL, including three this past year's rookies. 276 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: Asked him about that on Friday afternoon, said that didn't 277 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: bother him. He was watching, he was expecting it. His goal, though, 278 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: is still to show that he can do this. His 279 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: father was a first round draft pick, his cousin Joey 280 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: Bosa Defensive Player the Year, a Rookie of the Year 281 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: a year ago. He has NFL bloodlines, and he has 282 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: full confidence that he can make that dream come true. Yeah. 283 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't aware when he came to Green Bay about 284 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: the connection, you know, those family connections playing in the NFL. 285 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 1: The last name sort of rang a bell. And then 286 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: when I when you had looked it up in terms 287 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: of his, uh, his father being a rather high draft pick, 288 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: first round pick. Yeah, that's uh, that is that is 289 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Those those bloodlines can can matter at certain 290 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: points with regards to the rookies. A lot of people asking, okay, 291 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: are there any of those rookies you know, eq St Brown, 292 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Jamon Moore, Marquis Valdes Scantling, any of them standing out? 293 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: I will say this, Valdes Scantling unfortunately missed his chance 294 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: to be maybe the star of the day on Saturday. 295 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: He had made a great catch with a safety draped 296 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: all over him in the end zone. You know, kind 297 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: of a corner route there off to the side, great catch, 298 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: gets his feet down in traffic, but then end later 299 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: in practice runs a go route down the middle, really 300 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: starts to separate eight from the defensive backs. Looks like 301 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: a really good throw. Can't quite haul it in the 302 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: end zone. He left his feed, he dove, maybe he 303 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: didn't have to one of those kinds of things, didn't 304 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: bring it in. If he had caught that pass. And 305 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: I know if ifs and butts for candies and nuts, 306 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: but if he had caught that pass, we'd be talking 307 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: about him being, you know, maybe the early star amongst 308 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: these rookie wide receivers. Here's what's interesting, Michael, I've covered 309 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: this is my seventh full time training camp I've covered. 310 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: I covered a couple before then on an interim basis, 311 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: but full time to me, and I'm not trying to 312 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: speak in hyperbole here, but this is going to be 313 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: the most fun receiver battles watch. And we're talking about 314 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: years where Jared Boykin came out of nowhere and you 315 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: had Tory Gurley and and DeAndre Barrell and guys that 316 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: you really were excited about, you know, possibly pushing the 317 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: rest of that deep receiving corpse. This is the most 318 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: excited I've been to watch this group work because you're 319 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: right the Elda Scantling didn't come down with the ball 320 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: on that, but his speed is ridiculous. That was that 321 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: was impressive. That was pure separation while the ball was 322 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: in the air. He just continued to separate from the 323 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: DBS to go and he's done it several times in 324 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: this camp. I think Jamon Moore is a guy that 325 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: has an NFL build. I've been excited to watch him. 326 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: He can hold up. You can see that the way 327 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: he's built is going to be able to translate I 328 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: think in the NFL in terms of a sixteen game season. 329 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: E q st Brown the bloodlines, the pedigree, the work ethic. 330 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: I'm excited to watch this on full because you also 331 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: have Geronimo Allison and Trevor Davis competing for spots too. 332 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be really exciting to see. Yeah, and I 333 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: think Allison is off to a pretty solid like like 334 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: what I've what I've seen there, as you say, very steady. 335 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: One other thing I want to hit on on the 336 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: defensive side here West before we bolt out to practice. 337 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: A guy we didn't see much of last year, Montravius Adams. 338 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: The pads go on for the first time on Saturday, 339 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: and suddenly he kind of jumped out a little bit, 340 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: didn't He did, He really did, and they did one 341 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: on one drills. This he beat three offensive linemen with 342 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: the same swim move technique. And the thing you got 343 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: to keep in mind with one on ones, this is 344 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: your you want to beat your guy, but you're also 345 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: working on things too. In a year ago, that first 346 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: padded practice, Montrevia's Adams wasn't on the field. He broke 347 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: his foot after the second one, didn't practice the rest 348 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: of training camp. So realistically, this is the first time 349 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: I've been able to see him in competitive reps because 350 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: we don't get to see a lot of this stuff 351 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: during the regular season. And I was impressed. Larry mccaron 352 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: mentioned the kid has a really good first step. I 353 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: thought his swin move was nasty, being able to, you know, 354 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: give coporation very quick in the middle of the offensive line, 355 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: and I get it. You talked about it, Larry talked 356 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: about he's going up against guys that are lower on 357 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: the depth chart. You know, it's only one on one. 358 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: There's gonna be more traffic in there in the regular season. 359 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: But I've covered training camp practices for a number of 360 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: years now, and I'll say this, I'd rather see what 361 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: Montrevia's Adams put on film on Saturday then the guys 362 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: that go in there and just gets held up at 363 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. You don't know what you got. 364 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: I thought he flashed him serious potential. It's a deep 365 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: d line room. He's gonna have to work hard to 366 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: get reps in there. But I really liked what I 367 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: saw so far from Montrevia's Adams, given that that was 368 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: our real first taste into the first or the former 369 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: third round pick. Yeah, and or third round pick out 370 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: of Auburn. Definitely showing why he was a top one 371 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: draft pick a year ago. But I made this point 372 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: in our Three Things video, and I'll say this, if 373 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: if fans are going to only go on our website 374 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: for two minutes a day, you have to watch Three Things. 375 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: We want you with us for the minutes what you're 376 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: doing Packers unscripted. Don't get me wrong, but if you 377 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: want a two minute Packer fix every day during training camp, 378 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: just check out Three Things. Larry McCarron is the star 379 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: of the show. We love it. He cracks us up 380 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: and hopefully he cracks you up as well. But I 381 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: made the point in in our Three Things segment that 382 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: with those swim moves you're talking about, Adams was beating 383 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: some guys lower on the depth chart. But what that 384 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 1: does is that potentially earns him reps in the one 385 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: on ones. Now as camp goes on against the guys 386 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: a little higher on the depth chart, maybe he's gonna 387 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: go against Lane Taylor or Corey Linsley as an inside 388 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: Russia as opposed to those guys further down the depth chart. 389 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: And then that's when you really see what a guy 390 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: like Montravius Adams have has and does he have another 391 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: move because Corey Lindsley is not gonna get Corey Lindsley 392 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: is watching that he sees that swim move. Okay, that's 393 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: what that guy's got. I'm gonna make sure I take 394 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: that away. So then what can Adams do when he 395 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: goes up against a better player to to make an adjustment? 396 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: Those are the kinds of things that are fun to 397 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: watch as training camp goes along. Yeah, and one thing 398 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: to point out to the reason why he was taking 399 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: on a lot of the guys lawering the depth chart. 400 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: You know, Lane Taylor wasn't going through the one on ones. 401 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: He's coming back from that ankle injury, so he got 402 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: Justin McCrae and Lucas Patrick getting a majority of the 403 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: work against the starting guys. So, yeah, you gotta beat 404 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: the guy in front of you. And I thought montrevious Adams, 405 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: for our first taste into seeing him in one on ones, 406 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: looked really good. We'll see where he takes it from here. 407 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: All right, West, Well, you and I have to get 408 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,479 Speaker 1: out to practice, so we're going to do that and 409 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: sign off on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure 410 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team and 411 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: of training camp on packers dot com. On Twitter, you 412 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: can find him at west hot I'm at Mike Spofford 413 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, 414 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.