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Speaker 1: Oh, Steve Tapers. Time to time down time. Hey, here

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Speaker 1: we go One Goes Live back again on a Tuesday

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Speaker 1: afternoon in February. It is quiet here in Orchard Park,

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Speaker 1: you One Goes Live. Hello, I'm John Murphy and the

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker. Good afternoon, Steve. How are you hi doing Murph?

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, okay. This is kind of one of

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Speaker 1: those days we're in the I think we're in the

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Speaker 1: grind right now. This would be considered the grind off

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Speaker 1: season right, kind of dog days of winter. There's more.

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Speaker 1: The week before the Combine, we're you know, we've talked

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Speaker 1: show to drop. Luckily, next week we had to Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: to look at. Yeah. The combine will be good for

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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, including the Bills getting to look

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Speaker 1: at some of the the top traffics. But we need

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Speaker 1: a change of venue, right, We need a different look

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Speaker 1: and kind of a different a different approach to the game,

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Speaker 1: provide that. Yeah, I mean because I remember, like I said, well,

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Speaker 1: the DK Metcalf thing. You were on his train from

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Speaker 1: this conversation about okay, well you try and talk yourself

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Speaker 1: with it. The guy had a really nice rookie season.

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Speaker 1: Question is would he have had that kind of rookie

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Speaker 1: These combine that we're headed to this next week is

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Speaker 1: I'd wait for a receiver. I really would. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: my initial team. I agree, and and I'm not sold that.

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Speaker 1: fix Josh Allen's numbers. You know what I'm saying. A

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Speaker 1: That's where everything starts. And if you're gonna get decimated

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Speaker 1: Jerry uses fairly effective. He doesn't get a ton of

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Speaker 1: sacks right now, but I think he's fairly effective, and

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Speaker 1: I think he had a lot more to offer the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo defense, considerably more, at least than Trent Murphy. I

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Speaker 1: don't think and he didn't have I'll tell you this too,

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Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't see any single teams. It's double teams all day.

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Speaker 1: There's nobody over there helping him get singled, and particularly

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Speaker 1: on the pass rush they're gonna have. And think about

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Speaker 1: this too, as a fly in the ointment, you got

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Speaker 1: all the and I think, and I still agreed, defensive

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Speaker 1: line is a priority. Offensive lines of priority for me.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta replace Lorenzo too. That's a guy who

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Speaker 1: makes a difference. He was a you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a Swiss army knife. Could play a

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Speaker 1: lot of special teams, could do some different things. You

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Speaker 1: could play all three linebacker spots in a pinch. But

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Speaker 1: he also remember at one point two years ago, he

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Speaker 1: was down inside playing defensive tackle on pass rush schemes

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Speaker 1: when they were rushing four and obvious passing situations. They'd

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Speaker 1: dropped Lorenzo down. He wouldn't put his hand on the ground,

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Speaker 1: but he'd be a defensive tackle calling pass rush guys

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Speaker 1: calling pass rush of stunts. So and they had some

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Speaker 1: success doing that. I think Jerry Hughes liked it when

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo was in there, so you got to replace him too.

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Speaker 1: Maybe is that going to come from within the roster

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Speaker 1: or without. So it's not just the fact that you

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Speaker 1: got these defensive linemen and you're gonna be fine. Lorenzo's

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Speaker 1: gotta be gott to be helped. You got a cornerback

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Speaker 1: out there. That's a spot where you got your two

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Speaker 1: best guys that were not your two best guys. But

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Speaker 1: you're two guys who complimented Tredevious white Um, the two

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Speaker 1: guys who started left corners to the right corner or

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Speaker 1: opposite Tredevius, they're gone. They're free agents, Kevin Johnson and Levi.

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Speaker 1: Levi is coming back. But what are you gonna do?

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Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you got some you got some

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Speaker 1: holes to fill. Don't get sidetracked by that. Stick with

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Speaker 1: the offensive lines, stick with a defensive line. All those

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Speaker 1: guys out there get better, and the guys that you've

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Speaker 1: got will play better, and the guys that you bring

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Speaker 1: in will have more success. It starts from the football

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Speaker 1: and goes outward like a like a pond and a

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Speaker 1: calm like a pebble and a calm pond that you

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Speaker 1: toss it into. Everything ripples out from the football and

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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's why the quarterback's important, and your

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Speaker 1: center and your nose guard. All that starts from there

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Speaker 1: and goes out. We'll see. But for me, I I'm

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Speaker 1: all about not getting sidetracked and saying, you know, get

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Speaker 1: these fast, speedy wide outs at all costs, and get

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Speaker 1: running back at all costs. You know, all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: And I say at all costs. But you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, those aren't the priority. The priorities

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Speaker 1: getting strong up front on both sides of the bold

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Speaker 1: stain that way. Here's a tweet from Alan for the

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Speaker 1: Tweet Sheet. When we asked where should the Bills spend

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Speaker 1: most of the resources, Alan answers, offensive weapons, get a

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Speaker 1: playmaker at wide receiver and a power back to compliment

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Speaker 1: Singletary in the draft sign Olson, most importantly, keep the

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Speaker 1: important pieces that got us into the playoffs. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: the important pieces, most important pieces are you know what,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen and the secondary, the safeties in particular, those

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Speaker 1: guys aren't going anywhere at is White Tremaine Edmonds. Those

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Speaker 1: guys aren't going anywhere. So they're keeping they're keeping them.

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Speaker 1: They're they're sticking around, and you can make them pretty

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Speaker 1: good argument, and h you know, I've said it what

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Speaker 1: I think. I think they should wait till second round

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Speaker 1: to look at the wide receiver. But reading Allen's tweet,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's pretty good argument to get a playmaker

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Speaker 1: at wide receiver. It's a good argument if there's a

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Speaker 1: and this might be the Bill's approach, Like if the

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Speaker 1: Bills might be thinking of themselves if we get to

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Speaker 1: twenty two in the first round and we haven't made

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Speaker 1: a move, or we get in the twenties and we're

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Speaker 1: willing to trade something to move up and there's a

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Speaker 1: receiver we really like there, let's go get him. And

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Speaker 1: it flies in the face of what you're talking about

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Speaker 1: build up the offensive line. But I think they can

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Speaker 1: afford to be pragmatic. You know, if there's a receiver

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Speaker 1: that can make a difference, a playmaking receiver that Alan

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Speaker 1: references in his tweet, then maybe they can, you know,

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Speaker 1: make that pick and hopefully get some help on the

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Speaker 1: D line and the O line later on in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Talking about draft here, maybe they make a move in

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Although I hate to see him overpay for

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Speaker 1: a veteran wide receiver on the free agent market, there

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Speaker 1: are some big name wide receivers. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: any of them are that compelling to me, but they

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Speaker 1: may feel differently about that. I don't know. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm not there yet. If certainly, if a guy's there

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Speaker 1: that he thinks gonna be a pro, all pro guy,

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Speaker 1: grab him, no matter the position. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: if there's two or three guys that are gonna be

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Speaker 1: all pro, they get the one of the position they

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Speaker 1: need most. And it'll be interesting to see where the

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Speaker 1: bill that is for the Bills. If they go out

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Speaker 1: in free agency and grab a guy or two a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver, grab a guy or two a defensive line,

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Speaker 1: or grab a guy or two it at offensive line,

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Speaker 1: It'll it'll be interesting to see where they think that

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Speaker 1: weakness is and and if there's you know, all pro

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Speaker 1: guys caliber in their in their future, if there's all

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Speaker 1: pro guys available at twenty two, that's what you're looking at,

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Speaker 1: is a guy and that's the way they rank them,

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Speaker 1: all pro level, elite level, Pro Bowl level, starting guy

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Speaker 1: in the league, solid player, back up. It goes all

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Speaker 1: the way down through those shades of how good they

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Speaker 1: project this guy to be and what happens with the

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Speaker 1: guy inside him and what his commitment is, what his

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Speaker 1: work ethic is, his level of intelligence at the level

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Speaker 1: of commitment can move him up and down in those

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Speaker 1: shades of how good he's going to be. And so

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Speaker 1: for me, get to a point where you can take

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Speaker 1: the best guy, but hopefully there'll be a number of

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Speaker 1: guys who can who are going to be difference makers

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Speaker 1: in the league by your evaluation, and take the one

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Speaker 1: you need the most. They've done a pretty good job

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Speaker 1: at the draft for a couple of years. They've done

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Speaker 1: a pretty good job in free age of her a

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Speaker 1: couple of years. So there's reason for optimism about how

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Speaker 1: the Bills will approach it. But they could use your advice.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call, let us know what you think.

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Speaker 1: Where should the Bills where should they commit most of

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Speaker 1: their resources this offseason? What do you think? Eight oh three,

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Speaker 1: five fifty. We've got phone lines open right now. We

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Speaker 1: can take more tweets. We'll read them on the tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet when we return, and we'll get to taking a

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Speaker 1: look at the state of the Bills a defensive line

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Speaker 1: when we come back as well. Come on back. One

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Speaker 1: Bills line presented by a lot of health from the

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Speaker 1: Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna back one Bose Live chimere you. Steve Tasker

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Speaker 1: here until three. That's Troy Vincent coming by at one

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Speaker 1: and Nisha Meta at two, and we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: defensive line in the moment. But I got a call

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Speaker 1: on the line we want to take. It is Tim

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Speaker 1: and north Town. I want to high Tim. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: you're on the air. Yeah, I kind of like to

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Speaker 1: get your opinion, Steve about negotiating contracts. If it's smarter

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Speaker 1: for Phillips and lost in to take a two year

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Speaker 1: deal and show that what they can do on a

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Speaker 1: number one defense that or take a long term deal

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Speaker 1: depends on the guarantees, Philip. That's what it boils down

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Speaker 1: to for the players, what's guaranteed. Now, there's certainly a

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Speaker 1: balance there where you say, okay, a two year deal,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet on myself. Maybe one of those are

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Speaker 1: both those guys would be in a position where you say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I think I can play better, I've

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Speaker 1: got more in the tank. I'm gonna I'm gonna sign

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Speaker 1: a shorter deal and try and hit a home run.

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Speaker 1: Again for their age. Let's see Jordan's Why would Jordan

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Speaker 1: Phillips to get a short Why would he settle for

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Speaker 1: a short term deal? Again? Yeah, unless there's unless he

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Speaker 1: might get more guaranteed. Maybe one year is guaranteed. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he's not getting any guarantees from somebody else. Shack Austin

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Speaker 1: is twenty five and Jordan Phillips is probably the same age.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I can't. I don't have it in

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Speaker 1: front of me. But they're young enough that they could

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Speaker 1: hit a home run and two contracts. So if they

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Speaker 1: hit here's the thing, and they take a short contract

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Speaker 1: now at twenty five, at twenty seven, they put together

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Speaker 1: maybe one or two double sack years, then they're looking

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Speaker 1: at you know, that two years turns into the first

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Speaker 1: two years of another three year deal where they could

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Speaker 1: hit a home run. So it comes down to what

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Speaker 1: they're willing to bet on. If it's guaranteed, you don't

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Speaker 1: have to bet on anything. You can. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: seen other players do around around the league. They can

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Speaker 1: just check it in. You know. Jim didn't ask me,

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Speaker 1: but I'll proffer up a response anyway. I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any way either guy signs anything less than a

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Speaker 1: three year deal. Right, there's a reason. I mean, Chack

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Speaker 1: Lawson has been pointed towards the second NFL contract for

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years. Now. We can debate how

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Speaker 1: much of it, how much he's earned, how much he

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Speaker 1: thinks he's worth it, which he's actually worth, that's debatable,

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Speaker 1: but he's certainly he's looking for a long term deal.

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Speaker 1: And the same for Jordan Phillips, who came to Buffalo

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Speaker 1: midway through the season twenty eighteen season in it, picked

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Speaker 1: up off the free agent market, played pretty well in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, played very well last year at what's fifty

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Speaker 1: five sixty percent of the snaps, and now he's got

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Speaker 1: to be thinking, I'm ready for my second contract too.

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Speaker 1: I've proven myself. That's what he's now. Again, we can

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Speaker 1: debate how much he's worth, but I think in his

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Speaker 1: mind he's ready to cash in now, make a big strike,

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Speaker 1: a big deal. That's what it's gonna be. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: come in and they're gonna, oh, here's the thing. If

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be about the guaranteed money the team gives them,

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Speaker 1: that's it. Nothing else is guaranteed, and the players know

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Speaker 1: him better than any fan knows it because they've seen

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Speaker 1: guys have to walk away from the game when they

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Speaker 1: get injured. That's what. If they can get a two

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Speaker 1: year deal with high guarantees, they'll take it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: for me, I like guys, I like for as it

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Speaker 1: from the team's standpoint. I like guys on shorter deals.

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Speaker 1: Um you, it doesn't muck up your salary cap for

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Speaker 1: decades to come, and uh, it lights a fire under

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Speaker 1: them sooner in the contracts, so they get into another

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Speaker 1: contract year and start playing hard for another contract. I

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Speaker 1: like that For the teams. The players won't go for it.

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Speaker 1: They'll want to be they'll want to have some security.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's coming. It's one thing to like it,

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Speaker 1: but they're not gonna look. Neither one of those guys

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Speaker 1: I would. I would put five dollars on the table

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Speaker 1: right here and bet you that neither one, no matter

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Speaker 1: where they go, Buffalo or elsewhere, settles for less than

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Speaker 1: a three year deal, and it's probably more like a

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Speaker 1: five year deal. Now what does that mean. Sure they're

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Speaker 1: vulnerable being cut eventually released by somebody, but they want

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Speaker 1: kind of some long term security here. Yeah, it's all

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Speaker 1: about if you get a two year deal fully guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: maybe if it's for the right number, you know, because

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Speaker 1: because that you know, then it's whatever. There you go.

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Speaker 1: So and but here's the thing. You dangle all this

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Speaker 1: money in front of the guys, say, listen, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a fifty million dollar contract over five years with

643
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Speaker 1: five you know, with whatever, with no guarantee. Or are

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Speaker 1: you gonna take a two year deal for let's say

645
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Speaker 1: fourteen million dollars but it's fully guaranteed. Which one are

646
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Speaker 1: you gonna take? You know, you get seven million dollars

647
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Speaker 1: a year for two years, or you get a possibility

648
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Speaker 1: of going ten million dollars for five years? Which one

649
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Speaker 1: you get with no guarantees? I would take the longer

650
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Speaker 1: term deal with time with them. Yeah, okay, let's take

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Speaker 1: a phone call from Chuck in Clarence. Hi, Chuck, you're

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Speaker 1: on the air. Let's go ahead, right, Hi, Chuck, Um,

653
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Speaker 1: I got a crazy one. I think you guys will

654
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Speaker 1: probably think I'm crazy, but it's okay. To the combine

655
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Speaker 1: and after the draft assessments. If a quarterback fell into

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Speaker 1: our lap unexpectedly, say first for second round, I would

657
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Speaker 1: take them first round. If you first or second round, like, like,

658
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Speaker 1: what kind of quarterback you're talking about? Really unexpected one?

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Speaker 1: Just a high rated one like Tua. Well it could be.

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Speaker 1: And then after the combine and after the draft assessment,

661
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Speaker 1: somebody falls up to the top and then like, wow,

662
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: we didn't expect this guy. He's really good and I

663
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Speaker 1: don't think we should pass on him. I'd take him

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Speaker 1: and be ready to trade him to whoever really wants

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Speaker 1: a quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I get it, best player available,

666
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Speaker 1: position of need, whatever, and depending on where you're at

667
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Speaker 1: in free agency and stuff, and it depends on and listen,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, Chuck, who else is on the board?

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Speaker 1: You know? Is there somebody on the board who's gonna

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Speaker 1: like make this team this year? Take a leap forward?

671
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Speaker 1: More so than a quarterback who has to sit and

672
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Speaker 1: wait and learn everything from scribe We've seen you know,

673
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Speaker 1: just about every quarterback do that go through those learning pains?

674
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Speaker 1: Do you want to wait another year for that guy,

675
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Speaker 1: even if he'd ready to throw Josh to the curb?

676
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Speaker 1: You're ready to take a step back like that when

677
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Speaker 1: you feel like you were so close this year talent wise,

678
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I get it, I get

679
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Speaker 1: the thing, and I'm like, and you can always conjure

680
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Speaker 1: up a scenario where it could happen. But unless one

681
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Speaker 1: of those guys falls, when those top guys to a

682
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: tag offloa Joe Burrow or Justin Justin Herbert, I don't

683
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what you're taking yourself out

684
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Speaker 1: of the chance to get a good player at another position, though, Chuck, No, Well,

685
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: my thought is it's the most important player on the field. Obviously,

686
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: they're the most you know, the most in demand. It

687
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Speaker 1: would really have to be someone that, oh my god,

688
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: we've got a shot at this guy. What we need

689
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Speaker 1: five more minutes on the clock. Give me an example. Well,

690
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean you did with the Alabama guy, I guess,

691
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Speaker 1: but it could be a surprise guy that we don't

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Speaker 1: know yet too after you know, the combine, Yeah, at

693
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Speaker 1: quarterback at that position, they are no surprises at the combine.

694
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Speaker 1: They know who they are. They know those guys right now.

695
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: I thing this. I don't have a name. I just

696
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: I just think it's a provocative thing. And would you

697
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Speaker 1: do it? I personally would do it? And who knows them?

698
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Speaker 1: Two years? You got them cheap for a couple of

699
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: years anyway, who knows and how do you plan him?

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Speaker 1: When you got Josh Allen here? Well, um, we never

701
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Speaker 1: go with the future is going who other than Josh

702
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen? I don't know? You know? Yeah, okay, thanks, yep,

703
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Speaker 1: but I take it you don't agree with you can

704
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: you can jump through all kinds of hypothetical hoops. Yeah,

705
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Speaker 1: I get that's and I told you this morning, I said,

706
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Speaker 1: that's the seat where the hypothetical season, right if if

707
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Speaker 1: this happens, and this happens, and that other thing happens,

708
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Speaker 1: and we do this, then what do you do? Well,

709
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Okay, that's where it goes. State of

710
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Speaker 1: the Bills. Let's take a look at the Bills as

711
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Speaker 1: we go through position by a position and sort of

712
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Speaker 1: examine what they've got, what they need. The state of

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Speaker 1: the Bills. We're doing defensive line today. Let's take a

714
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: deep dive into what they have on the defensive line.

715
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Speaker 1: Veterans contracts, who's not coming back, who may come back.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with those under track on the state of

717
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Speaker 1: the Bills defensive line. What we have, what we need.

718
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: We know that star Latulae is Okay, it's a pretty

719
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: good player. He just restructured the final three years of

720
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Speaker 1: his contract. You would think he has a role to

721
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Speaker 1: play this coming year with the Bills on the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: Any questions comments about Star Latulae, He's there, right, Yeah,

723
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: he's coming back, and he's gonna be and he's gonna

724
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: do exactly what he did this year. He's gonna help

725
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: other guys play better. What we have. Also, Ed Oliver

726
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: going into the second year of his rookie year of

727
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: his rookie deal, first round pick last year, you know,

728
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Speaker 1: And as I look back and think about last year

729
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot, I come to the conclusion that Ed Oliver

730
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: he got better, you know. And there was obviously there

731
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: was an important point of the season where he didn't

732
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't a starter anymore. And I don't know if

733
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: it was the you know, the Dallas game, going home

734
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: to Texas. But and Oliver got better as the season

735
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: went along, played a more prominent role as the season

736
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Speaker 1: went along. Talking to his offseason trainer yesterday, right Footwork

737
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: King yesterday, Rashad Whitfield. Whitfield, I got the sense that

738
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Speaker 1: he sees a difference in Ed Oliver. I think they

739
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: they may have just scratched the surface last year on

740
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: how good Ed Oliver can be. I think he had

741
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Speaker 1: to work at it more than he may have been

742
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: disabated he would as a rookie, But I think that

743
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: work came along, and I think he has a dynamic

744
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: potential to be a big time playmaker up front. I

745
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: really think he's a really good player. Yeah, I think

746
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: he's just getting started. And even as Trader yesterday mentioned

747
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: the fact, one of the things that makes Ed so

748
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: good is his motor. He goes. He's fast, and he's

749
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: got to be that way to play. He's only two

750
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty five pounds and that's you know, that's light,

751
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds. He's got to go hard all

752
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: the time to go up against three hundred and thirty

753
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: pound guys who outwigh by literally fifty pounds and be

754
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: able to push him around or catch him off guard

755
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: or just run around him because they're too lethargic. He

756
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: has got to be able to do that, and that's

757
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: how he plays. His motor is always going, and I

758
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: think he's going to learn how to use it with

759
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: more technique and better, you know, just more experienced. That

760
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: guy is going to take a step forward he's there's

761
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: still way more growth in at Oliver, I think than

762
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: people may realize. Yeah, and I think we might see

763
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: it this year. I'm anticipating there will be no sophomore

764
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: slump for Ed Oliver. We're going doing defensive tackles here.

765
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips come back, comes back this year after an

766
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: injury last year, when an ir last season, third round

767
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: pick in twenty eighteen. I look for big things in

768
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: a big step forward for Harrison Phillips. He started the

769
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: year as really the Bill's most reliable interior alignment, I think,

770
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: and maybe overall line, I think he might have been

771
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: not great, but solid and reliable. And I think all

772
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: the work he's done in the offseason to get healthy

773
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: and make himself a better player. I'm looking for bigger

774
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: and better things from Harrison Phillips this year, to be

775
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: honest with you. Yeah, And he was positioned to have

776
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: a much greater role this season before he was injured.

777
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: He was the guy that was in calling all the

778
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: pass the past stunts. He was on the fielding every

779
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: passing down. He was going to be a guy who

780
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: was gonna help guys get open and get to the passer.

781
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: We're seeing early highlights here of him. In the Giant

782
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: game Week two, he forced Eli Manning into a sack fumble.

783
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: It was just he really felt bad for him because

784
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: he really seemed on the cusp of taking an enormous

785
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: step forward this next this last season, and we never

786
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: got to see it. So I'm no he and I've

787
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: spoken to him briefly at times, and he's you know,

788
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's highly motivated. He's a guy like

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00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: Ed Oliver. He's got a fast motor, wants to get

790
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: it done, and and he's really sharp. He's an intelligent

791
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: football player. So I think he's gonna have his sight

792
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: set on taking a step forward this year and coming

793
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: back and contributing. But it was a lot long way

794
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: to go. Yeah, more defensive tackles. Vincent Taylor promoted to

795
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: the active rister in November from the practice quid okay,

796
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: And they got a couple of pending free agents, guys

797
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: who are about a month away from being free agent.

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Speaker 1: We talk about him a lot. Let's start with one

799
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: of them, Corey Legit, acquired in mid season last year.

800
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if he figures into the Bill's plans

801
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty and the guy we always talk about,

802
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, who I think they'd like to have him back.

803
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: I think they'd like to have him back at the

804
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: right number played. What did I say? Fifty five sixty

805
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: percent of the defensive snaps last year. Spot track has

806
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: his contract figure at about six million. I guess franchise

807
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: tag him Jordan Phillips would make him about a fifteen

808
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: million thirteen million dollar player. Anyway, Somewhere between those two

809
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 1: is the number at which somebody's going to be willing

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Speaker 1: to pay him. I think the term will make a

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Speaker 1: big deal for Jordan Phillips. You know how we talk

812
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: about this a couple of minutes ago. How long a

813
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Speaker 1: contract is he looking for? Probably more than a couple

814
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: of years, but we'll find out. I know he likes

815
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: it here, but I also think that he worked hard

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00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: to establish himself as a viable free agent. It's funny too,

817
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: trying to think who we had, Oh that Brown last

818
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: week from Rochester. He was right. I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: When you look at the free agent rankings for players

820
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: defensive tackles, well, overall players, Jordan Phillips is like the

821
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: sixty first, sixty third best free agent available and among

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Speaker 1: defensive tackles, I got a handy ranking sheet right here,

823
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Speaker 1: and these don't mean anything other than what they mean.

824
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Speaker 1: But Jordan Phillips is ranked about thirtieth among defensive tackles

825
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: interior defensive alignment. So we know he's gonna make more money.

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Speaker 1: But how much is in debate right now. And I

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Speaker 1: think he is agent and the Bills are trying to

828
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Speaker 1: sort that out. And Brandon Bean said it right, he said,

829
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Speaker 1: let him go out and see what he's worth and

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Speaker 1: then we'll talk. So I think that probably I look

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Speaker 1: for him. I maybe they'll sign him before March mid

832
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Speaker 1: March when freeze he opens March sixteenth, but I'm anticipating

833
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: the Bill is going to let him get a look

834
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Speaker 1: around and see what the market is and then maybe

835
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Speaker 1: send him to a deal. Well, yeah, you gotta hope

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Speaker 1: as a Bills fan, if you want Jordan Phillips back

837
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: that everybody out there and around the national Football like

838
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: nobody overpays for him. They treat him like the twenty

839
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Speaker 1: twenty whatever that was, whatever rank he was. And this

840
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: is not entirely accurate, but right, but anyway, if they

841
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: treat him like that, maybe he gets down to the

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00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: point where the Bills can match an offer. They can

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00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: make it enticing for him to stay without actually matching

844
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: that offer exactly, maybe structuring it differently. But if they

845
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: can get in the ballpark, maybe they do have a

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00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: chance of signing Jordan Phillips for less than a franchise

847
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: tag and get him wrapped up for a longer term

848
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Speaker 1: deal or maybe even a short term deal. Who knows.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we got defensive ends to look at. We'll

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Speaker 1: continue on with the State of the Bills when we return.

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker. It's one Bills Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: kalidah Hell from the Seneca Studio in Archer Park. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, we continue while with

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Speaker 1: our State of the Bills. Take him look at various positions.

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Speaker 1: You did the defensive tackles, the interior defensive linement. Let's

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Speaker 1: do defensive ends. We talked about the aforementioned Jerry he

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Speaker 1: was going into the final year of a two year

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Speaker 1: deal signed last year, and we talked about Trent Murphy

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Speaker 1: going on the final year of a three year contract

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Speaker 1: signed in twenty seventeen. I think of the two, Steve,

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Speaker 1: I mean they both could be in jeopardy, But I

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Speaker 1: would think Trent Murphy is the most to be concerned. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a money thing. He's gonna make this nine point

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Speaker 1: seven seven five million, nine million, almost ten million dollars

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Speaker 1: cap hit this year. But if you cut him, it's

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Speaker 1: only one point seven That is fruit on a tree.

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for some money that you spend on

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Speaker 1: your cap, Trent Murphy could be it. Where else you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go, they've got, you know, they've got ten million

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Speaker 1: bucks a year in Star Low two Lelee. You've got

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Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes who's taken a ten point million dollar hit

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Speaker 1: a year. That's twenty million dollars on your cap, and

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Speaker 1: then Trent Murphy would be another ten million dollars on

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Speaker 1: your cap. There's thirty million in bucks a year you're

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Speaker 1: spending on three defensive lineman. Then the rest of the

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Speaker 1: guys like Daryl Johnson, Mike Love Shack Lawson may or

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Speaker 1: may not be here. And then you've got Jonathan wood Woodard,

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Speaker 1: who you know it's a future reserve. I mean, none

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Speaker 1: of those guys are making it. They're not even a

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Speaker 1: blip on the radar for the cap. So when you're

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Speaker 1: talking about how much money you're investing in the position.

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Speaker 1: You've got it mostly in three guys at this point,

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Speaker 1: in the defensive ends. And one of those guys is

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Speaker 1: you can let loose penalty free. Can you replace him? Right? Well,

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Speaker 1: not Trent Murphy. Oh well it's not penalty free, but

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Speaker 1: one point seven and five is virtually you know, So

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Speaker 1: the money, I'm confused. Do you say the money tied

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Speaker 1: up and use Trent Murphy? And who's the third shack?

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Speaker 1: Shack's free? No, no, no, Trent Murphy, Jerry Starlow to

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Speaker 1: LA defensive line, defensive tackle, right defensive tackle. So you know,

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Speaker 1: other than that, you talk about the defensive line, that's

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Speaker 1: where the what's roll. The money is a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: H Daryl Johnson, Um, I don't think they can count

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Speaker 1: on him to be an every down player yet second

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Speaker 1: season of his rookie kind. But he gives him a

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Speaker 1: ton of He can give him rotation. If he can

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Speaker 1: get bet they think he can get better, Okay, but

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Speaker 1: he can give him a ton of stuff on special teams. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he took almost his more special team snaps than all

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Speaker 1: but one person on the whole roster. I expected more

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Speaker 1: from Mike Love this past year than the Bill's got.

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Speaker 1: He went on injured reserved last season going into the

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Speaker 1: final year of his deal. Who knows if he's back.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Shack Lawson is the key here. Um, he'll

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Speaker 1: he'll earn some money. Um is it worth paying him

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Speaker 1: a ton of money to come back? That's debatable. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the Bills will be interested in and I

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Speaker 1: think of the two Shack Lawson or Jordan Phillips, they're

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Speaker 1: probably more interested in what they would need to do

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Speaker 1: to get Shack Lawson back here. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: Steve Right, I don't know if they can get him

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Speaker 1: back or not, because he, to Shack's credit, he plays

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Speaker 1: a run just as hard as he pass rushes. Huh's

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Speaker 1: a He's an every down defensive end. He's coming off

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Speaker 1: a year in which he once again improved his stat

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Speaker 1: line year to year. If another team wants a shot

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Speaker 1: at him, I think they can point to that saying, listen,

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Speaker 1: this guy's got some upside, and for me, he has

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Speaker 1: the most likely and he's he's the most like. I

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Speaker 1: don't know though, him and both those guys, Both those

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Speaker 1: guys are gonna be free agents. They're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: big step forward. How big that step is is, We'll

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Speaker 1: tell you whether the Bills can get involved or not. Right,

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Speaker 1: all right, State of the Defensive Line. State of the

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Speaker 1: Bills Defensive Line Edition. We're gonna talk with Troy Vincent

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Speaker 1: about NFL topics in general when we return. Come on back.

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Line presented by Collata Health from the Seneca Studio,

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Speaker 1: Stories update. The update from One Bill's Lie. The Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Sabers in action tonight, going for their fourth win in

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Speaker 1: a row. They've won three. They're in Ottawa for a

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Speaker 1: matchup against the Senators tonight, faceoff schedun for about ten

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Speaker 1: minutes to eighth. They're going to retire Chris Phillips Jersey

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Speaker 1: before the game tonight. Savers suspended Zach Mgogian yesterday because

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Speaker 1: he failed a report to the Rochester Americans also recalled

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Speaker 1: Scott Wilson and assigned Andrew Hammond to the Emircks. Savers,

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Speaker 1: with eleven wins in their last nineteen games against the

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Speaker 1: Senators again, faceoff about ten minutes to eight tonight. The

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Speaker 1: Sabers in Ottawa to play the Sins. NFL news no

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Speaker 1: indicate There were no indications that Drew Brees was going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and the forty one year old quarterback made an official

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Speaker 1: today he will return to the New Orleans Saints this year.

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Speaker 1: Agreed to a two year contract a year ago in March,

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Speaker 1: or rather twenty eighteen in March, guaranteed him twenty seven million.

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Speaker 1: He's going to see that deal through to the end.

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Speaker 1: He was due to become an undrestricted free agent this

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Speaker 1: offseason before announcing his return to New Orleans. Bree's decision

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Speaker 1: comes as no surprise. The Detroit Lions reportedly have spoken

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Speaker 1: with multiple teams about a trade involving Darry Slay, but

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Speaker 1: Detroit's going to be adamant about what it will cost

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Speaker 1: to require the Pro Bowl cornerback conversations with teams and

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Speaker 1: include a new contract for Sleigh as part of the deal.

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Speaker 1: Slay is twenty nine years old, entering the final year

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Speaker 1: of his contract in twenty twenty. He's been Detroit's best

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Speaker 1: defensive player. He's made three straight Pro Bowls. Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: resigned their starting left tackle. They resigned left tackle DJ

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Speaker 1: Humphreys two a three year deal. It's worth forty five

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Speaker 1: million twenty nine million guaranteed. It includes thirty million that

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Speaker 1: will be committed during the first two years. Humphrey's coming

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Speaker 1: up the fifth and final season of his rookie deal.

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Speaker 1: He was the Cardinals first round overall pick or first

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Speaker 1: round pick in twenty fifteen, going twenty fourth overall, and

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Speaker 1: LSU quarterback Joe Burrow says he has leverage as well.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the twenty twenty draft, it's anticipated

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals with a first overall pick, we'll choose Burrow,

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Speaker 1: but answering questions last night in Texas, Burrow did not

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Speaker 1: Bengals and try to go elsewhere. That'll be interesting to see,

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Speaker 1: we'll find out. That's it for the update. John Murphy's

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Speaker 1: team Tasker our number two of one Bills I've joined

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Speaker 1: on the line right now by the NFL Executive vice

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Speaker 1: president of Football Operations. Former defensive back spent fifteen years

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Speaker 1: in the league, three of them here with the Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Bills from two thousand and four through two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: Real happy to have Troy Vincent on the line with us. Hello, Troy,

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Speaker 1: John Murphy, Steve Tasker up there in Buffalo. Thanks coming on,

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Speaker 1: Thank you John, Steve. How you doing has been a minute? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been a little while that couldn't talked to you.

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you since since the Kickoff summit back

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Speaker 1: two years ago, and you've you've been spending some time

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Speaker 1: with the Competition committee here of Ley. What's on the

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Speaker 1: agenda now for the top football committee in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League? What are they talking about? What we had

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Speaker 1: our first post Super Bowl meeting last week here in

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Speaker 1: the city. Officiating obviously is at the top of the

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Speaker 1: top of the list, and you know from a training

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Speaker 1: in development we just brought on Walter Anderson to oversee

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Speaker 1: our training in development program for officiating. Topics include use

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Speaker 1: of helmet, the blind side block, offensive holding in PI.

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Speaker 1: Those were the four core areas of concentration last week. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the standard around PI, which will well, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna watch more video than we can imagine

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Speaker 1: or we can think about going into Indie and then

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Speaker 1: into Naples. Offensive holding and if you probably remember those

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Speaker 1: first two weeks, we were way way lopsided on offensive

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Speaker 1: holding those first two weeks and then we kind of

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Speaker 1: I would say, things got better week three and beyond.

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Speaker 1: And then the blind side block, which was it was

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Speaker 1: an expanded rule last year where we expanded the rule

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Speaker 1: itself and it paid dividends. We saw injury reduction to

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Speaker 1: go now significantly due to that. And then the use

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Speaker 1: of helmet which were still we were better than than

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Speaker 1: what we were two years ago with the identific and

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Speaker 1: being consistent with that call. And then what we pick

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Speaker 1: up during the week. So those were the four main

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Speaker 1: topics last week, and then we just jumped into just

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of data, all kinds of data, um scoring, touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: defensive plays. We talked about, you know, making sure that

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Speaker 1: we preserve and keep the foot in the game, the

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Speaker 1: on side kick, the surprise on side kickoff kickoff return.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we began last week, and then we'll

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Speaker 1: get with the coaches and general managers come Indie Troy.

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Speaker 1: Is there a consensus about pass interference and the use

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Speaker 1: of replaying in cancer in pass interference? In other words,

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Speaker 1: is there a general feeling that that worked or did

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Speaker 1: not work last year? What do you think depending on

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Speaker 1: who you talk to, Yeah, and what side of the

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Speaker 1: the you know, we had one hundred and one PI reviews.

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Speaker 1: We had thirty four opis offensive pass in deference. We

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Speaker 1: had sixty seven DPIs defensive pass interference. And I would

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Speaker 1: say this John, going into the season, when we left

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Speaker 1: out of I think was Arizona. We were there. It

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Speaker 1: was Arizona last year. We understood that that standard of

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Speaker 1: the correct we were what's the intent? It was the

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Speaker 1: correct to clear and obvious and the standard to overturn

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Speaker 1: on the field. Routing had to be clear and ivous

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Speaker 1: with visual evidence with a liveline fee. So we set

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Speaker 1: the standard by everyone goes back to New Orleans. The

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Speaker 1: New Orleans play was the standard that was something that

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Speaker 1: should be correct. So we understood going in that there

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Speaker 1: would be many coaches that that fell on one side

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Speaker 1: or the other by the way we were ruling. Early on,

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Speaker 1: they would say, hey, that's an obvious pill. Let me say,

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Speaker 1: when you go into replay, technology finds the foul. It's

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Speaker 1: it's evident. If you go you go into replay, you

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Speaker 1: start going to frame by frame, you will find the foul.

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Speaker 1: So that's why we set the bar, and based off

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Speaker 1: of where the bar was that we all had agreed

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Speaker 1: upon them meaning the coaches that was the bar going

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Speaker 1: into the season. We probably missed it was about six

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Speaker 1: to eight. If we had to do it all over

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Speaker 1: again throughout the season to take back, I would say

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Speaker 1: they're about six to eight that we would take back, right,

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Speaker 1: I knew you knew it was. It became obvious as

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Speaker 1: the season wore on that and you're right, this didn't

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Speaker 1: get passed without the coaches saying, hey, I get it,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna it's the New Orleans and the Los Angeles rams.

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Speaker 1: Is the bar that's set. They just kind of they

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Speaker 1: couldn't help themselves but challenge every single time they thought

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Speaker 1: it was an iffy call, and finally at the end

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Speaker 1: of the season they began to get the message that

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Speaker 1: that that bar was a little too high for most

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Speaker 1: of them for most of their tastes coming into the

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Speaker 1: regular season in the playoffs, are you are you already

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Speaker 1: getting feedback from head coaches about moving that bar lower.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we'll discuss. And coming out of the

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Speaker 1: competition committee, that wasn't that. That's not what we got

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Speaker 1: from the competition committee, and in particular coach Payton and

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Speaker 1: coach Tomlin, who both serve on the committee. We did

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Speaker 1: not get that, but that is something that Okay, now

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Speaker 1: we've had a year, coach of you seen how it went,

1062
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: and we saw at the end of the season we

1063
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: felt like they got the picture of where we want

1064
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: to go or you know, how that review was going

1065
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: to be handled. I think that's a question. I will

1066
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: pose that question to our coaches there do we adjust

1067
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: the bar? Is it where you wanted to be? Is

1068
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: it where we needed to be? And I think that's

1069
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: a question that the coaches will have to answer. But

1070
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: I do believe as we got towards the middle to

1071
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: that second half of the season, as we went in

1072
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, I think we were pretty good. Hey, try

1073
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: on the topic of replay usage for past interference, replay

1074
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: usage in general, what the league. I mean, there have

1075
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: been proposals for a skycamp and that would solve the

1076
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: PI problem too. I think I applied There is there

1077
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: any kind of look at a maybe use of a

1078
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: skycam on the table or up for a discussion this year. Well,

1079
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: we talked about that at length last year. John, It

1080
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: was not something that we were when we think about

1081
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: how do we create consistency and to have a skycam

1082
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: at each stadium today. Each stadium has obviously there's a

1083
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: there's a replay official that can assist at referee in

1084
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: New York on finding the right shot. We just were

1085
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: making sure that we did not create a system that

1086
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: had a different standard based off of where you were

1087
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: inside of your stadium. It did come up, We talked

1088
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: about it last last week. It just got dismissed. We

1089
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: feel like we're heading in the right direction with the

1090
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 1: mechanics of our officiating crews, what we've learned a year ago.

1091
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: Now going into what we call a hawkeye system where

1092
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: we can get better shots, you know, independence of the network,

1093
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: we feel like we'll be more efficient and better serve

1094
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: going into this next the next foot of twenty twenty campaign.

1095
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: And as you go into that hawkeye thing where you

1096
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: can kind of get better of views and better better angles.

1097
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: Is that with your own cameras or is that with

1098
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: existing cameras? That does that make every NFL stadium set

1099
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: a bar of how many cameras they're supposed to have

1100
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: to aid you guys in your hawkeye thing. Yeah, so

1101
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: that's a very good question. And depending on that network

1102
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: partner that game, the one o'clock window, you don't typically

1103
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: have all of the cameras that you you get the

1104
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: primetime game at eight o'clock, you may have twenty five

1105
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five cameras. So that's all depending upon that

1106
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: network partner and that window game. One more, one more

1107
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: question for you about officiating, Troy Um reviewing the work

1108
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: of the officials. You've had pretty substantial turnover in the

1109
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: last couple of years, especially last year. How does that work?

1110
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: You look at grades and how do you is there

1111
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: a threshold they have to be over in order to

1112
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: come back or how do you review officiating work the individuals?

1113
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a tier system, tier one, tier two,

1114
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: tier three, and we're at a position now where you

1115
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: have many officials due to their age that some elect

1116
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: to transition away from the game and then others those

1117
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: that are at at that bottom tier we call tier three.

1118
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: We have to examine that's what's in best interest of

1119
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: the game. That's my job, that's my responsibility working with

1120
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: the officiating department, is to assess. There's a subjective, quantitative

1121
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: and qualitative you know data that we look at. We

1122
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: look at you know, movement, we look at his score. Basically,

1123
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: Tier one tier two, Tier three, and then we assess,

1124
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: can we can this official properly officiate and take care

1125
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: of his or her mechanics during the duration of the game.

1126
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: There's about a five to seven percent turnover a year

1127
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: we see in officiating. But hey, just like the player,

1128
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: we have to assess, we have to take a look

1129
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: at it because that's what's in best interests of the game.

1130
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you too. We saw some things in

1131
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: this year's Pro Bowl where you were tinkering with what

1132
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: a surprise on sidekick would look like or what a

1133
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: regular on sidekick would look like. What are the I guess,

1134
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: without going into the rule changes, what kind of percentages

1135
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: are you looking at for the teams who's kicking and

1136
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: their ability to recover that stuff because it's obviously kind

1137
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: of dropped out of site here over they since they

1138
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: change the kickoff rules. What kind of ratios are you

1139
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: looking for for recoverable on side both surprised and expected.

1140
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: So what we saw was about when we look at

1141
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: dat it's about a thirteen percent we're looking at. But

1142
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: when so when you think about this task, we came

1143
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: up and we played in an error where you can

1144
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: overload one side you can do a whole bunch of

1145
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: different things now with the new setup and with you know,

1146
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: the guys being stationary, you can't move. The surprise on

1147
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: side is no longer a surprise really a surprise on

1148
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: side because you got the five five setup now. So

1149
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: but when we look back at the recovery rate, we

1150
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: would like to get to that sixteen percent. I mean

1151
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: at thirteen percent, I'm sorry. And what we were looking

1152
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: at a year ago, the Denver Broncos proposed I think

1153
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: it was a fourth and fifteen play and what's the genesis?

1154
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: The objective is a team is down by two scores

1155
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: inside of five minutes. We want to get that. We

1156
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: want how many options can that that team get the

1157
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: ball back to score. You're down two scores, so we're

1158
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: thinking of how do you be creative? And it was

1159
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: a one time election that was written up in that

1160
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: proposal that the team can elect one time either in

1161
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: the second half to get the ball fourth and I

1162
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: think it was fourth and fifteen. I think on the

1163
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: thirty five, if my memory serves me correctly. But that

1164
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: was the overall objective there was how do we find

1165
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: a way to get the offense the team back to

1166
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: ball down by two scores. Really inside of that five minutes,

1167
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: we're on the line with Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive

1168
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: vice president of football Operations, talking about a variety of

1169
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: topics and Troy, we're headed to the combine Steve and

1170
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: I next week. Combine. It seems as getting bigger, although

1171
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: a couple of teams that was a Denver and the

1172
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: Rams decided not to send as many people. Some of

1173
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: their coaches won't go, won't be going. What do you think?

1174
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: What do you think the combines headed? It seems to

1175
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: be getting bigger, right, the combined series of regional bigger

1176
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: from my my dinosaur age and I just went, I

1177
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: just did interviews. I didn't compete. It's it's a it's

1178
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: a it's an event. It's a main event. And this

1179
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: is the one thing that we've begun. And I'll give

1180
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: credit to our We have our General Managers Advisory Committee.

1181
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: We are now moving as we study player movement, game

1182
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: time moving because many of the things are like I'm

1183
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna use the term dinosaur again. We're going back into

1184
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties of drill type and we should

1185
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: be assessing players and evaluating players off of game movement.

1186
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Offensive linemen do not run forty yards straight forty yards

1187
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: uh in the duration of the game. Neither does a

1188
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: D lineman. Neither does a wide receiver. So we're looking

1189
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: at our data now that that says what are the

1190
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: top ten movements of each position during game time and

1191
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: begin instituting some of those things in our in the

1192
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: combine evaluation drill. Now having fans so think about that,

1193
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: fans now could cheer. It's become and it was just

1194
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: before it was just you your T shirts, you're tight,

1195
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: you're tight shorts in a whistle or horn. And now

1196
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: it's a spectacle. Um, it's become. You know, it's a

1197
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: must see TV. The prospects are, the way they train

1198
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: and perform to get to get ready, the interview process,

1199
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: it's a different I would just say it's it's a

1200
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: different animal than it was or has been in the past.

1201
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: And the fans love it. Great viewership. And you've also

1202
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: got the Combined series is coming up where you're gonna

1203
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: have regional combine invitations. Also the HBCUs, the historically black

1204
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: colleges and universities are going to have their own combine

1205
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: set up as well. It's getting bigger, Troy, is it not? Yes?

1206
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: And and I'm happy that you brought that up because

1207
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: when we look at the national combine, you're looking at

1208
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: the top three hundred prospects, right, and then there are

1209
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: some men, as we know, there's some student athletes or

1210
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: some prospects that are right on the cups that you

1211
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: could say, man, how did he miss? So the regional

1212
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:46,439
Speaker 1: become that next layer of prospects that should be evaluated

1213
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: outside of their pro day. And then in conjunction with

1214
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: our HBCUs, this is where myself and primetime Dion we

1215
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,439
Speaker 1: had got together over the last year and say, how

1216
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: could we bring more attention to these smaller schools who

1217
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: typically are not getting the focus or the eyeballs, but

1218
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: there's talent there. So we wanted to make sure that

1219
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: we had an activation to promote and to bring awareness

1220
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 1: to these student athletes at the HBCUs. And it was

1221
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: something that Dion and I have been talking about through

1222
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: the years, and then finally we got to a point

1223
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: where we said we're gonna allow this, this should come

1224
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: to pass. And then having at the Dolphins facility where

1225
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: we got the Regional and then the HBCU combines all together.

1226
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: It's just expanded that talent pool. He Trey. One thing

1227
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: that I'd like to hear you talk about. It's we've

1228
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: talked to some people who've graduated from some of the

1229
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: NFL development programs, current players, former players. But it's not

1230
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: just broadcast food camp. You do it for businessmen, right,

1231
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: It's pretty extensive post career training for some players, both

1232
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: current players and former players. Yes, so, I mean that

1233
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: was the one thing that I focused on during my

1234
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: playing say I say my playing experience. I never used

1235
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: his career, but the ability to and it's a choice,

1236
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,440
Speaker 1: and every club offers this. The Players Association, we all

1237
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: collaborate on what we would call uh post career transition programs.

1238
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: You got officiating Academy. You got our Bill Walsh, you

1239
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: got our Business Academy, got our Bill are Newton one.

1240
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: For those in player personnel, you got the broadcast boot

1241
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: camp journalism. Really this is to set up the players

1242
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: for career transition to begin, for you to at least

1243
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: explore what could possibly be next. Every it's an option,

1244
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: it's a choice. Every player has that choice to participate.

1245
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: Some take advantage of it, some don't. Yeah, and I

1246
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: was going to ask you, how difficult is it to

1247
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: get players to uh to find an interest in that?

1248
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: So many of them? And I remember as a as

1249
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: a young player, I my all of my energy and

1250
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: my passion was poured into the into football. It was

1251
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: hard to get me to you know, some of these

1252
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: guys myself included, to raise their head and look out

1253
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:06,919
Speaker 1: into the future and see what might be coming down

1254
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: and to find something else they could be passionate about.

1255
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: Both are in the business world and in the broadcast world.

1256
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: For me, it was, well, what about how difficult to

1257
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: sell is it these days? Steve? It would like I think,

1258
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: I think the facts speak for themselves, and many say that.

1259
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: You know, we come in and we want our focus

1260
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: to be on the game, But the reality is you're

1261
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna be twenty six and you're gonna be making a

1262
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: transition into the real world. And oftentimes if you don't

1263
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: have experience, if you haven't finished your your your education,

1264
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: it is very difficult getting into a competitive market. So

1265
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: this is this is the take. We all have two

1266
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: or three days out of our schedule. We say, ah,

1267
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: the offseason is packed. That's that's that's false. We we

1268
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: have to make an investment in ourselves we as legends

1269
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: to make sure that we are talking to that athlete,

1270
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: that which which which we once was, what life is

1271
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: going to be like? And when you have the clubs,

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01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 1: Now with our decentralization model, you can do that right

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: in your playing city, so you don't have to leave.

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01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: There are very few programs that are you have to travel,

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01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: but you can do that right in Western New York.

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: So it's really about us as legends sharing with those

1277
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: current players today that the game will end and you

1278
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: were transitioning into your new career path. And these are

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01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: just examples of things to prepare you, to better equip

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01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: you to putting your toolbox so that your transition is smooth. Hey,

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01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: along those same line story, just last week the NFL

1282
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: and the NCAA established the Coaches Academy. What goes on there?

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01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 1: What's it all about? So that's our up and coming,

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: that's our pipeline. You know, that's the young coach that's

1285
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 1: inspiring or the young former player or current player who

1286
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: thinks at this juncture he wants to coach. And then

1287
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: those that are inc that are looking for what's my

1288
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: next move? How do I grow? How do I go

1289
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: from a position goach to a coordinator, for a coordinator

1290
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: to a head coach. So this is our collaboration and

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01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: also we faced both the NC two A in the NFL,

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01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: we faced a similar challenge with men of color coaching.

1293
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: So this also gives us an opportunity to identify and

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01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: develop these men seeking to either be in the coaching

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01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: business or to further their careers. Last thing for me,

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01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: try I got to ask you. You had a chance

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01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: to play for Andy Reid, I believe in Philadelphia. What

1298
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: were your thoughts about after twenty one years of him

1299
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: being a head coach, he finally won the world championship

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01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: in the hundredth year of the NFL. I mean finally

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01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: it took long enough? Gee, No, but I was I

1302
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: was happy for Big Red. I played for him for

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01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: six seasons. I understood, I knew exactly who he was

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01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: as a man, and just to see the ultimate sacrifice

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01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: for a coach, I watched the guy come in sunflower seeds,

1306
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: diet coach, sleeping on the couch. I guess that was

1307
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: the old Gruden and the way home Gram taught those guys,

1308
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: or that's what they learned. You know, you to lose

1309
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: your son. I just watched someone just given an all

1310
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: love playing for him. I've never talked to a player

1311
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: to not enjoy playing for him. Was not supposed to

1312
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: be rooting for any coach neutral. I'm supposed to be

1313
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: in a neutral position. This was just one. You go, man,

1314
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to see Big Red get one. And

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01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: he did it. He got it. Last thing I have

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01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: for you, Detroit, it seems like reports are where he

1317
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: could be close to a new CBA, a new collective

1318
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: bargaining agreement a year before the old one expired. That's progress, right,

1319
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: and that would I would think if if that thing

1320
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: gets approved, that would just open the doors wide open

1321
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: for maybe the next level of NFL football. Progress and

1322
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: complete joy of that happens. And there's nothing like labor peace.

1323
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: The game is strong. The fans don't want to hear

1324
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: people going back and forth. It's about millions of dollars.

1325
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: They just want to see the game. They want to

1326
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: travel out and have fun and telgate. But to see

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01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: that happen, if that comes to fluition, I think that's

1328
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: great for the sport that you have. Labor piece. Troy,

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01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: Thanks thanks a lot, Troy, No, thanks for having me

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01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Troy Vincent is executive vice President Football Operations

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01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: for the National Football League. You remember he played here

1332
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: with the Bills OH three and O four fifteen seasons

1333
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: in the NFL as a defensive back. And he's got it.

1334
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of balls in the air when

1335
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: you think about it. Competition committee and uh, you know

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01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: combines and regional combines, combine series and everything right, the

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: professional development programs. He's got a lot of balls in there.

1338
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: NFL executive vice president for Football Operations, that's a big

1339
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: covers everything basically good for him. And he's a he's

1340
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: you can tell by talking he's all over at UH.

1341
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: I think he thrives in that atmosphere up there, and

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: he's done well. I remember I was in the in

1343
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: that that room with all of those people who were

1344
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: head coaches and assistant coaches and coordinators and officials, executive officials,

1345
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: and H. Troy opened up the meeting and he did

1346
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: an outstanding job with it, and he commanded the room,

1347
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: and H he knew what he was talking about. He

1348
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: was he was impressive and it's good to see a

1349
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 1: former player have that kind of clout within the NFL

1350
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: and that the NFL promotes those kind of guys. I

1351
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: didn't want to get bog down on that issue with him,

1352
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: But you went as part of the kickoff summit, right right,

1353
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 1: and that was two summers ago. Now that's right. Is

1354
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: that problem solved? Is everybody is there an agree? I

1355
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: think it's still evolving. Really, yeah, I do. I think

1356
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 1: it's still evolving. I think they're still gonna look at

1357
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to get an on sidekick. I

1358
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 1: think they're very happy with the way the injuries have

1359
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: dramatically dropped on kickoff. The problem was one of the

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: one of the serious issues they faced was when those

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: kickoffs changed like they did before they changed, they had

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: players getting concussed on plays that didn't even count. The

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01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: ball goes out of the end zone and I remember,

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: you go down there, you're gonna say the message you

1365
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: light a guy up anyway, you know, you run through

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01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: a guy anyway. That has all gone away. So you

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01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: had players getting concussed or injured on plays that were throwaway,

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01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: plays that didn't even count. There was no return, there

1369
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: was no no time ran off the clock. Even so

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01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,839
Speaker 1: they did completely away with that, and in the evolution

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01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,679
Speaker 1: of that going to the new lineup rule and new rules,

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01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: players weren't getting hurt even when the ball was in

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01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: play either as much. So it was a really a

1374
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: huge step forward for the league. And now they're trying

1375
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: to tweak it to give those you know, within the

1376
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: framework of the game a chance to get on sides

1377
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,640
Speaker 1: and stay in it when you're down a score or

1378
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: late in the game, when you need it, you need

1379
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: an on side kick, because right now it's really difficult

1380
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: to get them. We started out, it's difficult to get

1381
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: them well. Asked Troy at the start about the Rules

1382
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 1: Competition Committee, and he indicated it sounded like they think

1383
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: the use of replay review for past interference worked the

1384
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: way they intended it to. I guess, I guess you

1385
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: can make that argument. I think what Troy was saying was, Hey,

1386
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: we wanted it to be a difficult bar difficult threshold.

1387
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: We wanted to make it a replay reversal on using

1388
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 1: replay on pass interference difficult. They did to the point

1389
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: where coaches won't mention any names, but NFL coaches were like, well,

1390
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: I have no chance of getting a replay reversal on

1391
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: the review. I'm not gonna throw my flag. I'm not

1392
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: even gonna ask for it. And here's maybe that's what

1393
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 1: they wanted. Maybe that's what that's what they wanted. I

1394
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: think that's when they put the rule, and that's what

1395
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: they wanted. We wanted to be egregious, like the La

1396
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: Rams and New Orleans Saints from two years ago. That's

1397
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: what we wanted to look like. If you want to

1398
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: review it, we'll review that. Nothing else is gonna cut it.

1399
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: And that's it was as simple as that. And he

1400
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: was right. And you've said this a ton, murph. When

1401
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: you start going frame by frame slow motion, everything's a penalty.

1402
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: There's a penalty on every play. You're opening up a

1403
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: can of worms. You'll never get through the game if

1404
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: you do that. So they said, here's the bar. And then,

1405
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: as is always the case, Troy let us in onto

1406
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: what was behind the scenes. The coaches agreed to it.

1407
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: They said, yeah, yeah, yeah, we just wanted to be

1408
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: on a egregious stuff. We don't want to do it. Well,

1409
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: then the coaches are starting to throw it down and

1410
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 1: now the league I think you and I agree, I

1411
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: got a bad look. It was bad. It was a

1412
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: bad look, but it was exactly what I think the

1413
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: league and what Troy Vincent, the competition committee. They said, Okay,

1414
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: here's what we're gonna do, but this is the way

1415
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna work. We're not going to deviate from it.

1416
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: And they held true to that, and they realize it's

1417
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: a bad look to have these coaches and when it's

1418
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: when you start cutting it down finer and finer with

1419
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 1: slow motion and frame by frame, they're letting penalties slide

1420
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: because it doesn't reach a certain bar. Fans don't like it,

1421
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: the coaches don't like them when they're trying to get

1422
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: something overturned and it's what's a penalty? Is a penalty

1423
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: or it's not a penalty. So I think it's a

1424
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: bad look, and I think they're going to address it.

1425
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know. Are they going

1426
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: to reverse it. I mean it was well, they don't

1427
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: have to. It was a one year experiment. Are they

1428
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: going to approve it again this year? I don't know.

1429
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: You think I don't think it's worth it. I don't either,

1430
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,640
Speaker 1: if they're not going to call it basically, yeah, I

1431
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,640
Speaker 1: mean they missed eight calls on the year, seven or

1432
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: eight calls. He said that we're egregious that they got

1433
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,560
Speaker 1: and they got right, eight calls over the course of

1434
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,880
Speaker 1: two hun in fifty six fifty six games in the

1435
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: regular season. For all that, for all the times they

1436
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: had to sit with you and I had to sit

1437
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: at our couch and and and suffer through it. I mean,

1438
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: that's what it's about, you know, right, They it's about

1439
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: the fan response more than anything. Yeah, well, it's not

1440
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: worth it. I don't think it was. But we'll find out.

1441
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if they'll let that go again another year.

1442
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: We'll find out. Maybe, yeah, because remember how it happened.

1443
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: I would know. Remember how it happened. It was. It

1444
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a competition committee incentive. It was coaches at this

1445
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 1: meet meeting coming up in uh in March in Florida

1446
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: somewhere I haven't written down here somewhere uh And, but

1447
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: it was the owners meeting where this came up. Where

1448
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: the owners meetings this year it is March um annual

1449
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: League meeting, Palm Beach, Florida, March twenty ninth. It was

1450
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: at that meeting. He's right, it was in Arizona last

1451
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,480
Speaker 1: year where the owners were I think everybody was blindsided

1452
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: by Sean Payton and a couple of coaches saying, hey,

1453
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: we want this rule. We want to use replay on

1454
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 1: on on past interference that you come thro petition, the

1455
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of you know, did it kind of a sit in,

1456
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: so we need it and it's you need to change it. Boom,

1457
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: do it, do it, do it? Um. I think it

1458
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: was short sighted on the league's part. I think they

1459
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: acquiesced to the coaches who were in the room because

1460
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: they do have a lot of respect for those guys

1461
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: and they've been very there. You know, they know what

1462
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,960
Speaker 1: they're talking about. There's a competition committee that deals with it, right.

1463
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: I think it was a I think it was a

1464
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 1: bad move. I think they should it should just quietly

1465
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: go away and go back to the way it was

1466
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: before use. And I it was an egregious miscall we

1467
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: all agree with that. But man, oh man, like I

1468
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: said at the time, you know, the Saints fans, bless

1469
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 1: your heart, you just get in line. There's a ton

1470
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: of bad call. There's there's been calls like that over

1471
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: the one hundred years. There's been a one hundred one

1472
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: for every year at least, you know, and that's just

1473
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: the ones we have film of forget when they didn't

1474
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: have that. It's just you gotta get in line. I

1475
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: know you had you missed a chance to go to

1476
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: the super Bowl because but you know what, that's guess,

1477
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:00,760
Speaker 1: like I said, get in line. We'll be interesting to

1478
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: see if they overturned that or do not renew that

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Speaker 1: this year. Right here a Twitter poll today. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Bills have all kinds of offseason resources, right, plenty

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: of cap space, nine draft picks, they can work the

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01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:13,280
Speaker 1: trade market. Where should they spend most of their resources

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 1: this offseason? We've got six hundred and sixty votes in

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, and three quarters of you pretty overwhelmingly say

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01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 1: offensive weapons. Seventy five percent say the Bills should spend

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01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: most of the resources this offseason on offensive weapons. Twelve

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Speaker 1: percent of you say defensive line, eleven percent say offensive line,

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01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: two percent of something else. In mind, let's hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Give us a call about this or any other issue

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Speaker 1: you've heard today. It's one Bills Live, presented by Klata

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Speaker 1: Health from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back. Hey, this just came in, Steven.

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: This interesting. The Eagles making a salary cap cut a

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: cap casualty, as they say. Nigel Bradham, former Bills linebacker,

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01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: former Bills draft pick. He's going to be released soon

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01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 1: by the Eagles. He'll be able to sign with any

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01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,560
Speaker 1: team once the movie becomes official. Do a what's the

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01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: matter Nigel Bradham? Is he the guy base salary of

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01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: eight million this year with the captain number of nine

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01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: point seven million? Is he the guy that we traded

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01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: Indianapolis for No No Jerry who was at Calbert Shephard? Okay,

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: Nigel Brandham was a good player. I guess if he's

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: making eight million bucks. He played twelve games during the

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01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season, sixty one tackles, one interception, spent four

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01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 1: seasons with the Eagles after four season in Buffalo. Why

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 1: he was going into his ninth year? He was, He's

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01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: a pretty good linebacker. Nigel Brandham I liked. Apparently he's

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna be on the free agent market now released by

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01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Hey, where should the Bills spend most of

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: their off season resources? What do you think? Again? Seventy

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01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: five percent of you on the Twitter poll say get

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01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: some offensive playmakers? Right? What do you think? Give us

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01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: a call? Eight h three fifty toll free one eight

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Where should the

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: Bills spend most of their resources this off season? Let's

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01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: go to the tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan

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01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: Moving Systems, the official movers all of the Buffalo Bills.

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: From Tiffany, she says, elite offensive weapons should be at

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01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: the top of the to do list. Another stud running

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01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: back to pair with Motor would be ideal. Adding DeAndre Swift,

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01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 1: a dynamic performer both running and receiving, would be a

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01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,640
Speaker 1: huge addition for Josh, enhancing his completion percentage and his

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01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: passing yardage. Looking for offensive playmakers, Okay, Fortune f five

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01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: tweets this, and they should trade for David Johnson. That's

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01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: been suggested, take a salary and the third and fourth

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01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 1: rounder for taking a salary on. Then start to bundle

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01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: all these picks and move up. David Johnson defensive back

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01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: forth No, David Johnson running back Arizona right, Arizona non

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01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: defensive back running back. Yeah. And then one more from

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Speaker 1: Kevin who says, we need all three offensive playmakers offensive line,

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01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 1: defensive line. We need all three a weapon or two

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01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: for Josh, a dominant pass rusher, and we need to

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01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: upgrade the offensive line, getting agile guards. We can run

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01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: some screens. We'll go a long way. I feel like

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01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: we're all in the same boat here. I don't know,

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01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm not no. I've said that big time wide receiver

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01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: on the outside is not a magic wand I know

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: it's a need. Though it is a need, you can't

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01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: dismiss it. They need one more guy outside. They got

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01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 1: good work from John Brown, good from Cole Beasley. They

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01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: need one more guy, probably a bigger guy who can

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01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: run pretty well on the outside, to be an outside receiver.

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01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,600
Speaker 1: I think, and and I look, I don't want to

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01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: score twenty four points with that guy. I think it'll

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01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 1: help every year. Every it'll help. It'll help to get

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01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman two. All I'm saying is they don't

1547
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: need to spend a first round draft back on them.

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01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 1: They sure as heck don't need to spend a ton

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01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: of money in free agency to get you know, Amari Cooper,

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01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: A J. Green, Robbie Anderson, Emmanuel Sanders. But somewhere I

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01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: needed the free agent list or the draft list, there's

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: a wide receiver who would fit the bill for the Bills.

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01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 1: And I think they should look hard at that. I

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01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: do also looking hard at offensive line help and defensive line. Yeah,

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01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: all right, I'm with you. I'm like I said, I'm

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01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: an offensive line guy and a defensive line guy. Everything's

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01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: better when that goes right. And then on defense, I

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01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: go right to the corners. I'm I'm I wouldn't put

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01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 1: it out that I wouldn't put it past him to

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01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: draft another corner, even at twenty two, depending on what

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01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: happens in free agency. Obviously, I think they've got to

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01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: get better up front on defense. They've got to get

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: better up front on offense, and when they do that,

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01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: all those other things kind of become less urgent, particularly this.

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01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, I basically a big time running back. Ah,

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01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: come on, we're gonna have Miniche Meta on at the

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: top of the hour, covers the Jets. The Jets paid

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01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: Levon Bell all that money last season, and his supporters

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 1: will say, well, he didn't have an offensive line. Well,

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 1: if he's a big time running back, who cares. You know,

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01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna pay the guy thirteen million bucks, let

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 1: him be like Derrick Henry. You know, uh, I want

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: to pay a running back happen. It's crazy talk Sean McCoy. Yeah,

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01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I want to pay them like Singletary

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Speaker 1: and the guy that you draft in the fifth round

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01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: this year. You know, that's what I want to pay them. Um,

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01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: you don't need to do that. I don't. There's no way.

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Speaker 1: So and that's kind of the way I feel about

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01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: some of these other things as well. I spend your

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01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 1: money up where guys really need to be different. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And you can make it a case for that big

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01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: time wide receiver, the big six four two thirty guy

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01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: that can run the four to three. Okay, they're different.

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01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: But the other guys who are different to all those

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: guys who can really run and they weigh three hundred pounds,

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01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: the guys that are six five three twenty and can

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01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: move like a cat in a phone booth. Those are

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Speaker 1: the kind of guys you need on both sides of

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01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: the ball. Uh. That's the kind of athlete that makes

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01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 1: a difference for your football team everywhere. Those guys have

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01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 1: the ripple effect across your roster. Those are the guys

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01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: that set the tone in the running game, in the

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01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: passing game, on both sides of the football. And that's

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01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 1: where this thing, the whole thing has to start for me.

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01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: Let's see what the do I see what you mean?

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01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: Am I getting Am I saying that? Like twenty different times? Yes?

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01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: You are getting through the turn the audience. Pretty good.

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01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: Let's go to Kevin and Hamberg. Kevin, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind today? Thank my call? Sure, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad Steve you brought up about the defensive back because

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01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring it up anyway. I don't Tredivis

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01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: obviously is gonna be our start for the future. But

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01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace there are times I just do not trust him.

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01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,120
Speaker 1: I think he could be And when you look at

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01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: the teams that we're playing this year, the Super Bowl champs,

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01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,440
Speaker 1: the team who didn't win the Super Bowl, the Seahawks,

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01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: the Titans could get better, I just think he could

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01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: be one of those guys. Unlike Trenivious, they could get

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01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: us smoked at the worst time by an all opposing

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01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: receiver like like Quinn. When did Levi Wallace get smoked

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01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: like that? Well, I'll give example the Place game, which

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 1: game they got burned by Rashad Higgins for the touchdown

1613
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: that beat does It wasn't like Obd burned for the

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01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: touchdown the beatas against Cleveland. Okay, you know what I mean,

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01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: he just he just had one. I don't know he

1616
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: couldn't get better, But yeah, he's pretty good. I think

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01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: he's not. He's undrafted, so that factors into it. I

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01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: think le By Wallace is pretty good and if you're

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01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: gonna replace him, you're gonna have to beat him out

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01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: of that position because I think the Bills feel pretty

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01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: good about him too. Any cornerback you can put most

1622
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: of them. You can point to a player where they

1623
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: got smoked. Turdavious is probably the exception to that rule,

1624
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 1: but they all get smoked. And I think Levy Wallace

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: might be better than you, and many people give him

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01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 1: credit for being that's all. Yeah, The question is can

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01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: you get find somebody better? And how how are you

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01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna do it? What are you gonna have to say

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: you could? Probably there's no question you can find somebody

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01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: better than Levy Wallace. Okay, we you know Turdavious is

1631
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: better than he is. You got a guy on your

1632
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: own team that's better than levi By Wallace and they're

1633
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 1: starting corners around the leagues you can point to and

1634
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: say I like him better than leave by Wallace. The

1635
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: question is what are you gonna have to give to

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01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: get the guy? What's it gonna cost you? Is it

1637
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 1: gonna cost you the number one picked at twenty two?

1638
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 1: Is it gonna cost you a one at two to

1639
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: move up to get the guy? That's what it costs.

1640
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 1: That's what you're gonna have to ask yourself. Where can

1641
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: you find a guy, another undrafted guy who actually is better?

1642
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: Can I just submit this? If you're gonna draft a

1643
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: corner with that twenty second pick, overall, you are foregoing

1644
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 1: several others. That's part of the cost too. We took

1645
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: a corner instead of alignment or a wide receiver. That's right.

1646
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: What do you have to give up to get the guy?

1647
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: How high do you have to jump? How much do

1648
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: you have to pay? What do you have to give up?

1649
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: How much of the cap do you have to give him?

1650
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: If you draft him, that's the cap isn't an issue.

1651
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna draft him at twenty two and

1652
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: leave the best left tackle on the table, or the

1653
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: best defensive tackle available or in the draft, that kind

1654
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 1: of thing that to me gets added in there as well.

1655
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 1: That's a cost. And while I get it, Levi Wallace

1656
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 1: is an undrafted guy and he's playing opposite one of

1657
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: the top cornerbacks in the NFL at this point, and

1658
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: it makes him look like, Wow, this this guy, you know,

1659
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 1: because he gets targeted so much. Don't don't, don't go

1660
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: there too quick. But so I no question they're gonna

1661
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: have to find some guys to bring into training camp

1662
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,599
Speaker 1: at least. But every guy they sign, they're gonna sign

1663
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: with the hope and the potential to be good enough

1664
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: to take his job. Darius Slay is the subject of

1665
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: trade talks and out Detroit. He's a pretty good corner too.

1666
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 1: He's not trede Avious wife, but he's a pretty good corner.

1667
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: Three time Pro Bowls Darius Slay and not only do

1668
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl this year, Yeah, three times in the

1669
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. Um, not only do you have to give

1670
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: up something to trade for him, but you got to

1671
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: give him a new contract. He's going into the last

1672
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: year of his deal. Um Slay on social media said

1673
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: fifteen to sixteen million dollars per year might be too

1674
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 1: low for his services. You're gonna have to pay Tredevious.

1675
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: If not soon then really you know, pretty soon next year.

1676
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: I don't know that you want to give two high

1677
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 1: paid corners. I mean, I don't know how many you

1678
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 1: can afford on your roster, right, so I don't know

1679
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: you can get better. As Steve said, he's absolutely right,

1680
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: you can find better than Levi Wallace. Can you find

1681
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: better and get the right value, Well, that's the question.

1682
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is way out performing his ya. He's undrafted

1683
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: free agent. He was a rookie free agent last year

1684
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: when he started to playing in Now he's a second

1685
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: year player. Now he's gonna go into his third year.

1686
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: He is way out performing his contract. I mean, he's

1687
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: a value player. So if you're gonna get a guy,

1688
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: and let's do this too. It took Kevin Johnson, a

1689
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: number one draft pick of the Houston Texans, a long

1690
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 1: time to start working in in front of Levi Wallace,

1691
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace and get given that spot up and in

1692
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: this coaching staff and this regime. If you don't earn it,

1693
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: you don't get it. That goes for Ed Oliver and

1694
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: Cody Ford all the way down to guys like Levi

1695
01:25:56,320 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: Wallace who were afterthoughts on draft Day. If they earn it,

1696
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: they get it. So don't think that just because they

1697
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: trade for somebody else either that the guy automatically gets it.

1698
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: That's that the depth chart is set in some ways

1699
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: for this coaching staff, and they'll give the guy the reps.

1700
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta earn your spot on the field.

1701
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: That's why sometimes in the regular season, I'm trying to

1702
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 1: remember and I can't remember any specific guy instances, but

1703
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: I remember the conversations we had where it's like, gosh,

1704
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 1: like Duke Williams, when's he gonna get on the field,

1705
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 1: you know? And then he got on and he was off.

1706
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: There are reasons he's on and off and up and

1707
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: down from the active roster. There's the reasons. He started

1708
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and then got on the active squad,

1709
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: and then after that was activated and then DIA and

1710
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 1: then he was back on, you know, back being a

1711
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: healthy scratch for the Bills for a long time before

1712
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: he got in late in the year. He earned his

1713
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: way back onto the field. They don't just give that

1714
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: stuff away. Yeah, So it's not like they're just gonna

1715
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 1: like go out and hire these guys and they're automatically

1716
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: do it. Levi Wallace is on the field as he

1717
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: earned it. We'll take a break. We got more phone

1718
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: calls to get to. When we return. One Bill's Live,

1719
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: presented by Allat of Health from the Seneca Studio in

1720
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Orchard Park. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Chasing there. You

1721
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: guys are on, Your guys are on. We know, welcome

1722
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 1: back now, somehow I've lost my We were on by

1723
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: the way through all of that talking about didn't know that.

1724
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh, I knew that. We were just about

1725
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: the hockey. We're talking all the time, honey, were talking

1726
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: about Sabers play tonight, looking for their fourth in a

1727
01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: row play in Ottawa. What gotta started was I was

1728
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: quizzing the crew in there. Um this guy whose numbers

1729
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: being retired tonight, Chris Phillips from the Ottawa Senators. Okay,

1730
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: you don't remember him. I do not remember that name.

1731
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: And I got we got talking about the Quebec nordyke

1732
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,439
Speaker 1: how they had great series with the Savers. Savers and

1733
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: Ottawa had great series. Again, this is a different era,

1734
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 1: back when hockey was real, old time hockey. Let's go.

1735
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch that tonight. I'm way into it. Take

1736
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 1: another phone call here, Marty and Williamsville. Hello, Marty, you're

1737
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 1: on the air. How you doing. I would like to

1738
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 1: thank all of you guys for doing an outstanding job.

1739
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 1: Oh it's our pleasure, Marty, thank you. I'm very excited

1740
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: with what the Bills are doing. The people have to

1741
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: just be a little bit patient and watch for great

1742
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: things to happen. Why do you say that? Why do

1743
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: we got to be patient? It's been a long time

1744
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: since the Kelly Air, all the more reason not to

1745
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: be patient. Let's go. I've had season tickets for forty

1746
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 1: five years and I've weathered all of the storms. Aren't

1747
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: you sick of it? Don't you want to see wins

1748
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: championships now? Absolutely? You know, But why do you got

1749
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: to be patient? Josh's came. I anticipated it would take

1750
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 1: three years for our team to have greatness, and this

1751
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 1: will be the third year. Oh, Marty's on and throwing

1752
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: the gauntlet. That's not patient that this year or bus

1753
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 1: for you? Not teasing you, Marty yet your passions showing, Marty,

1754
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,760
Speaker 1: you better cover up. I salute your loyal support. I

1755
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: do think Bills fans have been exceedingly patient over the decades,

1756
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 1: and most Bills fans I know are ready to go,

1757
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 1: ready to go. Now, I would go so far as

1758
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: to say that the Bills fans, actually, I don't know,

1759
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how to say it expanded

1760
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: or became more passionate, or became deeper rooted in the

1761
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 1: team during that time, you know what I mean. I

1762
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: mean maybe it was maybe they were maybe they were

1763
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 1: just they were distilled. You know what I'm saying you

1764
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: If you were a Bills fan through all that time,

1765
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:48,519
Speaker 1: you were, you became like like a like a it

1766
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 1: was a distillery. We were going through. The people who

1767
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: are still fans, that right, The people who are still

1768
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: fans now have been boiled about six times. They've been distilled,

1769
01:29:56,400 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: like three or four times. He could. Now, I mean this,

1770
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: these fans, this is this atmosphere out here on game

1771
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 1: days legendary, right man. Maybe you can you can make

1772
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: the joke or you know, make maybe legendary for the

1773
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: wrong reasons or all that. But I'm telling you what,

1774
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 1: they're second to none. I agree. I wonder if, like,

1775
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:18,000
Speaker 1: if you were arguing that distilled, then they've been cut down,

1776
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 1: I would say, no, yeah, they almost expand, Yes, they've

1777
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: have expanded. I think the fan base. I think it

1778
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,439
Speaker 1: has something to do with basically this market loves pro

1779
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 1: football number one and number two. I think it has

1780
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: something to do with the um the identification of this

1781
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,400
Speaker 1: fan base is, Yes, our team has struggled for seventeen years,

1782
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: we did not make the playoffs, but we still love them.

1783
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 1: That's how loyal we are. And I think a lot

1784
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: of people adopted that during the drought, and now they're

1785
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: being rewarded for all of that. And I'm maybe other

1786
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 1: fan bases see this as well, but I mentioned a

1787
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: couple of times. One of the things that sets this

1788
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: one apart is when for whatever, you know, back in

1789
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: the eighties and the steel meals are shutting down. It

1790
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 1: was bad, and you know, the exodus began and the

1791
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: probably shrank a little bit and all their people, right,

1792
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 1: and people went everywhere, you know, they were scattered everywhere.

1793
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: They never stopped being fans, right, So you go to

1794
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: all these other places, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm a Western,

1795
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: you know that kind of You run into that all

1796
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: the time. And there's this and I've said it a

1797
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 1: bunch for lack of a better way to put it,

1798
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: there's this natural affection when you're going through an airport

1799
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: in the southwest United States, and you they do this. Hey,

1800
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: somebody's out there answering you. Yeah, and it's this thing

1801
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: where and every fan base has got their knuckle heads right.

1802
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 1: But there's something different about being a Bills fan that

1803
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: that is a fraternal feeling that you're part of this

1804
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: group that it you know, nobody else wants to be

1805
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: a part of. And I have to confess there are

1806
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: times when I think that's it's unfortunate. I mean, you

1807
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 1: can go to Charlotte, North Carolina. You bet there's a

1808
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of Bills fans in Charlotte. You know why because

1809
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 1: they all left Buffalo twenty five years ago or thirty

1810
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 1: years ago. And that's that's hard to take sometimes. Or

1811
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: you go anywhere in the Sun Belt and running, oh man,

1812
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: there's Bills fans everywhere. Yeah, that's because they all left

1813
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,280
Speaker 1: here thirty years ago. Late mid to late eighties and

1814
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: early nineties, when things are going bad, things are much

1815
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,479
Speaker 1: better than Oh give you an example. I think it

1816
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty eight we played in Tampa Bay. Huh,

1817
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I was there. You remember what that stadium the old

1818
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: sombrero looked like there was they were the cream sickles

1819
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: back then right there the orange and yellow, and between

1820
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: the forty fives there was this it was like a

1821
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: college game. There was a block of seats that was

1822
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: a perfect square of that cream sickle cover color. It

1823
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 1: was like the season ticket holders, perfect block of that

1824
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: cream cycle color. And it was kind of on both

1825
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: sides of the of the stadium right every place else

1826
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 1: it was blue and red. Sure it was. It was

1827
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 1: like it was like the soccer stadium in La now

1828
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. It was seventy five percent Bills fans,

1829
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: and then there was that little block of people that were,

1830
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, loyal Tampa Bay fans. It's the first time

1831
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: I ever saw that. It was like thirty five years ago,

1832
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, thirty years ago with nineteen eighty as thirty

1833
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: years ago, thirty one years ago. And I'll never forget

1834
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: it because I looked up and you could see the

1835
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: actual difference for the first time in my career, because

1836
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: it was my third year in their league, or third

1837
01:33:17,080 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: or fourth year in the league, and a second or

1838
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: third year here in Buffalo, and it was like, wow,

1839
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 1: look at the Bills fans down here. I'll go, what

1840
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 1: what's up? And some of it was there's a word

1841
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: for a population that disperses across the country and I

1842
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: can't remember there it is that thank you, And and

1843
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 1: then there's also just it was one of those games

1844
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: where destination, you know, people want to be on a

1845
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: Tampa Steve. That happened several times this past season. Oh

1846
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: it still happened. Nashville still happened. I mean, Pittsburgh was

1847
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: like that, the playoff game in Houston was like that,

1848
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 1: Miami was like that. They were literally more Bills fans

1849
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: than the home team and several of those. Yeah, but

1850
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,560
Speaker 1: from my point is it's been going on with this

1851
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: fan base for a long time. Yeah, since since back when,

1852
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: like we said that the city emptied out for a time,

1853
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, when it was down and people were bummed,

1854
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: and that there is something about it that is endearing

1855
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: to the fan for the fan base, the aspera, the

1856
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: dispersion of any people from their original homeland, that's what

1857
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:21,639
Speaker 1: we're talking about, that's right, And that's they're scattered Bills

1858
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: fans scattered everywhere because you know, yep, I mean I

1859
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: used to see it when I was with CBS. Everywhere

1860
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, hey, we're gonna get back into our

1861
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: Twitter poll the third and final hour of the show,

1862
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: where should the Bills spend their resources? We'll take your

1863
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: phone calls. Read some tweets on that got a good

1864
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: guests coming up though Maniche Meta Daily News, New York

1865
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: Daily News, NFL columnists will get an update on where

1866
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: the Jets are at right now headed into the combine.

1867
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: All of that coming up One Bill's Live presented by

1868
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: a Lot of Health from the Seneca Studio, Seneca Resorts

1869
01:34:49,040 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 1: and Casino. Nothing comes close. Hill S Radio Network Sports Update.

1870
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: The update from One Bill's Drive. The Buffalo Sabers Front

1871
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: and Senator Today. The Sabers in Ottawa for a matchup

1872
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: against the Senators. The faceoff schedule for seven fifty two

1873
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: pm tonight. They have an important business to contend with.

1874
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: They've got to retire Chris Phillips Jersey. A few roster

1875
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: notes by the Sabers yesterday. They suspended Zach Bogoji and

1876
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: he failed a report to the Rochester Americans. The team

1877
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,839
Speaker 1: also recalled Scott Wilson and assigned Andrew Hammond to the Emirates.

1878
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 1: Sabers had won eleven of their last nineteen games against

1879
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: the Senators. Face off about ten minutes to eight tonight,

1880
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: the Sabers in the Ottawa Senators Buffalo looking for its

1881
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: fourth straight win. It's true. Drew Brees, no surprise at all,

1882
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: is coming back for another season with the New Orleans Saints.

1883
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: Supporty one year old and now excuse me, announced his

1884
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: decision today. He returned for his fourteen season with the Saints.

1885
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 1: He agreed to a two year contract in March twenty

1886
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 1: eighteen to guarant heed him twenty seven million. His decision

1887
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: comes as no surprise. A bit of a surprise here

1888
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 1: from the Piladelphia Eagles. They are saying goodbye to one

1889
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: of their veteran linebackers. Nigel Bradam, the former Bills draft

1890
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 1: pick who played the last four years in Philadelphia, will

1891
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:09,760
Speaker 1: be released. We'll be able to sign with any other

1892
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: team once the movie becomes official. He was doing a

1893
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: base salary of eight million dollars this year. Bradham started

1894
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: all twelve games he played during the twenty nineteen season,

1895
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: his fourth season with the Eagles after spending the first

1896
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: four years of his career here with the Buffalo Bills.

1897
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: The Detroit Lions have talked to multiple teams about a

1898
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 1: trade involving cornerback Darius Slay, but the Lions are going

1899
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 1: to be adamant about what it will cost to require

1900
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl acquire the Pro Bowl cornerback. Conversations with

1901
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 1: teams will include a new contract with Slay as part

1902
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 1: of the deal, He's going into a final year of

1903
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 1: his contract in twenty twenty. Darius Slay, Detroit's best defensive players,

1904
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: made three straight Pro Bowls. He is twenty nine years old.

1905
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 1: And the Arizona Cardinals have stability at left tackle for

1906
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: the next few years. They've resigned left tackle DJ Humphreys

1907
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: a three year deal worth forty five million dollars with

1908
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: twenty nine million dollars guarant gee. Humphreys coming off the

1909
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,600
Speaker 1: fifth and final season of Ricky Deal. And that is

1910
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: the update from One Bill's right. John Murphy Steve Task

1911
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: are entering our number three of the show. Happy to

1912
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,640
Speaker 1: have you with us here today. We talked about the

1913
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Dolphins yesterday. Time to talk about the New York Jets

1914
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:13,600
Speaker 1: now and on the line with this one of the

1915
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: country's premiere experts on the Jets, Venish Meta, New York

1916
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: Daily News, NFL columnist, Jets Beat reporter, New York Jets

1917
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: insider benisch Sho on the line with us Sollo Manische,

1918
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: John Murphy and Steve Tasker up here in Buffalo. Thanks

1919
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,720
Speaker 1: coming on, Thanks for having me on. Guys, happy to

1920
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: have you with us. We did it. How do we

1921
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 1: get on Jets so deeply? Yesterday, Stee, we're talking about

1922
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 1: the AFC East and the things to do list. That

1923
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 1: was it exactly, and this consensus was, I guess the

1924
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Dolphins have the biggest to do list. The Jets have

1925
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: a lot going on this offseason, right, They have a

1926
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,439
Speaker 1: lot of decisions to make, don't they they do. I

1927
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: think first and foremost, Joe Douglas wants to revamp the

1928
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,560
Speaker 1: offensive line. That was obviously a big concern for this

1929
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,640
Speaker 1: team because they're building everything around Sam Darnold and you

1930
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 1: didn't get the best protection for a number of different reasons.

1931
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:01,839
Speaker 1: So I think that if you're looking at a checklist

1932
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,600
Speaker 1: of what Joe Douglas and the organization wants to accomplish

1933
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: in the next few months, it starts with the offensive line,

1934
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of other issues ed rusher, cornerback,

1935
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: another skill position player to help Darnold, But I think

1936
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: it all starts in the trenches. For this organization at

1937
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 1: this time. Yeah, and that was one of the reasons

1938
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 1: that leon one of the reasons his supporters said that

1939
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,599
Speaker 1: Levion Bell wasn't the normal superstar running back he had been.

1940
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Certainly he wasn't as productive as they wanted to be,

1941
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:33,799
Speaker 1: and everything kind of stems off the offensive line problems

1942
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 1: at the up front of him. Do you agree with

1943
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: that or as Levion Bell, I mean, some of the

1944
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: people they're saying he's fatten out of shape, which one

1945
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: is true or both? Well, I think the notion of

1946
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 1: pointing to him being quote unquote out of shape is

1947
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: highly exaggerated. First and foremost, what I thought was lacking

1948
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: was a true commitment to center your offense on Levion Bell,

1949
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: to revolve everything around him. Otherwise, why pay a running

1950
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: back twenty seven twenty eight million dollars and guaranteed money

1951
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 1: over the first two years of a deal if you're

1952
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 1: not going to make him the focal point. Now, if

1953
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 1: you look at the raw numbers, he got a lot

1954
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,759
Speaker 1: of touches, but I don't think they were quality touches.

1955
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he was used really to maximize his

1956
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: skill set, and that ultimately falls on the play caller

1957
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 1: in this particular case, Adam Gase. The offensive line not

1958
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: being one of the upper echelon groups certainly didn't help matters.

1959
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: But I think that primarily the big fail for the

1960
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: organization and ultimately for Levambel this past offseason or this

1961
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 1: past season, was that he was not used in optimal situations.

1962
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: You know what his skill set is, He's got a

1963
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, he hit a five year resume in Pittsburgh,

1964
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think he was utilized properly. To be honest, noys,

1965
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: how much of that is due to the I don't

1966
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,559
Speaker 1: know if it's a fact, but due to the perception

1967
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: that maybe Adam Gaates didn't want him anyway, that maybe

1968
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:53,479
Speaker 1: he didn't feel like using him that much because they

1969
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 1: didn't want to build an offense around him. Now, I

1970
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of ability to that, and I

1971
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: don't think that Gates did any of that out of spite.

1972
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: It's not this, you know, he wasn't using this player

1973
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: because he didn't want him. I think this. Philosophically speaking,

1974
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Adam Gas does not build his offensive scheme and plans

1975
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,679
Speaker 1: around a running back. He likes to use four or five,

1976
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:16,639
Speaker 1: sometimes six different players to keep defenses guessing. And even

1977
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: if you look back at his most successful time as

1978
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,080
Speaker 1: a professional when he was an offensive coordinator in Denver

1979
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 1: with Peyton Manning, that was to spread the wealth type

1980
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,920
Speaker 1: of offense. Everybody you know, from running backs to tight

1981
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: ends to wide receivers, got their fair share. And I

1982
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: think that's how he likes to create an offense. He

1983
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: doesn't want to be predictable by giving it to a

1984
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: workhorse running back, regardless of whether that workhorse running back

1985
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 1: is an elite player. And I think that's a flaw

1986
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: in gaze. And I think that if indeed, Leveon Bell

1987
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: is not traded this offseason, and his contract makes it

1988
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: such that he probably will not be traded. So if

1989
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: you assume that Bell is back, I think he needs

1990
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 1: to make a commitment to Leveon Bell. You have him,

1991
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:00,720
Speaker 1: likely for only one more season where the Jets part

1992
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: ways after his guaranteed money runs out. But if you

1993
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: have him at your disposal and you do not use

1994
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 1: a player of his caliber to what he does best,

1995
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 1: then I think you're doing, frankly, your team and your

1996
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: organization a disservice. Well, it starts and kind of ends

1997
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,840
Speaker 1: with Adam Gase with a seven and nine record this

1998
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,600
Speaker 1: past season, what kind of pressure is he under and

1999
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: how does the organization feel about him and the current

2000
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:29,280
Speaker 1: in the current climate, Well, let me begin by saying

2001
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 1: that I view the Jets, and I'm probably in the minority,

2002
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: but I view the Jets as the six and nine team.

2003
01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,599
Speaker 1: I don't view them as a seven and nine team.

2004
01:41:35,640 --> 01:41:37,639
Speaker 1: And I don't have to tell you guys why, because

2005
01:41:37,680 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: they essentially played the bill of JV team in Week seventeen,

2006
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: and I understand the record books will not remember that

2007
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: in history will remember the twenty nineteen Jets as a

2008
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: seven and nineteen, But for all intents and purposes, the

2009
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: reality is that this was a six and nine football

2010
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,320
Speaker 1: team that played an additional preseason game at the end

2011
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: of the season. As far as how the organization, we'll

2012
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:58,720
Speaker 1: give me that, if you give us, if we can

2013
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: call ourselves an eleven and five team last year, well,

2014
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: I do think that if the Bills starters had played

2015
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: that entire game, that Buffalo was the better team. I

2016
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:10,560
Speaker 1: don't have to convince you guys of that, and I

2017
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: think they would have won that game. But regardless of that,

2018
01:42:13,400 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 1: I do think that there is pressure on Adam Gase

2019
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 1: to be relevant in December and to play meaningful games,

2020
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:24,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily a playoff mandate, although I disagree with that

2021
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 1: given the current dynamic of this franchise missing the playoffs

2022
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: for nine consecutive years. But I don't believe that he

2023
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: necessarily needs to make the postseason to return for a

2024
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 1: third season. I do, however, know that if they duplicate

2025
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,240
Speaker 1: the type of season that they had in twenty nineteen,

2026
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: then he'll really be on the hot seat. But if

2027
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:48,879
Speaker 1: they're playing games that matter in mid December late December

2028
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 1: with a real chance of making the playoffs, I think

2029
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 1: he'll be fine. On the line. With Minish Matter covers

2030
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: the New York Jets for the New York Daily News.

2031
01:42:57,520 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: How would you characterize the relationship between Adam Gas and

2032
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,960
Speaker 1: the new general manager, Joe Douglass. It's that kind of

2033
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: dangerous thing where the GM came after the coach, right

2034
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,639
Speaker 1: that always That doesn't always. It often leads to troubles

2035
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 1: between the two. It's an interesting dynamic because in effect,

2036
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas was Adam Gays's handpicked guy. There was a

2037
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,599
Speaker 1: reason why there were rumblings before the draft that Mike

2038
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: mccagnan was on shaky footing and shaky ground. I think

2039
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty obvious where those rumors, you know, originated from.

2040
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: And then after mccagnan was fired, there had been a

2041
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 1: discussion and mention of Joe Douglas's name during the draft

2042
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:41,640
Speaker 1: while Mike mccagnan was still the general manager, and that

2043
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: wasn't by accident. Joe Douglas is the guy who had

2044
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: a prior working relationship in Chicago with Adam Gas when

2045
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,280
Speaker 1: Gas was the offensive coordinator. It was short, it was

2046
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: only for a year, but they did have a good

2047
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 1: working relationship. So it's interesting that the general manager, yes,

2048
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: did come after the head coach, however, was the head

2049
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:04,240
Speaker 1: coach's hand picked guy. And then, oh, by the way,

2050
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Joe Douglas is a lackey for

2051
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Adam Gase. I think that the way his deal was structured,

2052
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,560
Speaker 1: the amount of money that he got, he's one of

2053
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: the top five paid general managers in the NFL. Believe

2054
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: it or not, he actually has leverage over Adam Gase,

2055
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:24,760
Speaker 1: even though Gays hand picked him. It's a very unique situation.

2056
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 1: So you know, that's a roundabout way of me saying that,

2057
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: I don't believe that both of those guys are tied

2058
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: to the hip. I believe that if things go south

2059
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: for Adam Gase, that doesn't necessarily impact Joe Douglas's future

2060
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:41,800
Speaker 1: at all because the ineffect Joe Douglas is starting his

2061
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:44,719
Speaker 1: first season as the general manager. He came after the draft,

2062
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: He had no impact in the draft, he had no

2063
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 1: impact in free agency last year. So he's the in

2064
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 1: effect starting from scratch. I don't believe that there would

2065
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 1: be any issue if the Jets moved on from their

2066
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 1: head coach but retained their general manager after this season.

2067
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 1: What does the Jets job one as regards to Robbie

2068
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Anderson's a free agent, He's probably gonna leave. They're trying

2069
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: to build this offense, as you say, around Sam Darnold

2070
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 1: and not Levon Bell, although you know, offensive line seem

2071
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 1: to be the number one, number one priority on that

2072
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:15,040
Speaker 1: side of the football. What else do they have to

2073
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 1: do if Robbie Anderson indeed exits, well, they need to

2074
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:21,680
Speaker 1: replace him. Right, He's not a Pro Bowl player, but

2075
01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:23,919
Speaker 1: he does have a good synergy and a good chemistry

2076
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: with Sam Darnold, And you saw that towards the end

2077
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 1: of this year. You actually also saw that toward the

2078
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:31,160
Speaker 1: end of the previous season twenty and eighteen. They need

2079
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: to find a dynamic game breaker who can grow with

2080
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:37,360
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. And you know, whatever you want to believe

2081
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: about Leavian Bell, I think the reality is that again

2082
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,040
Speaker 1: he has a one year shelf life coming up, and

2083
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:46,759
Speaker 1: then when his guaranteed money runs out, he'll be twenty

2084
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 1: nine for the twenty twenty one season. I don't believe

2085
01:45:49,960 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 1: he'll be back, given how much money he's set to

2086
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: make in twenty twenty one. So they don't really have

2087
01:45:55,640 --> 01:46:00,559
Speaker 1: that young skill position threat who is you know, right

2088
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: out of college or who is in his prime, who

2089
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 1: can grow with their young quarterbacks. So it is a

2090
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,720
Speaker 1: very deep wide receiver class. You don't necessarily, if you're

2091
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:11,560
Speaker 1: the Jets, have to take a wide receiver with the

2092
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 1: number eleven pick. You can get a guy, I believe

2093
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:17,880
Speaker 1: in the second, third, maybe even fourth round. There's some

2094
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,960
Speaker 1: free agency guys who can be stopgap measures, like an

2095
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders who has a history with the Adam Gays,

2096
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,760
Speaker 1: for example. But I think they need a pillar, a

2097
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: young player at a skill position player, a skill position

2098
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: that can develop and grow with Sam Donald. They have

2099
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 1: Chris Herndon, but he missed all of last season. I

2100
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: think they would like to get a wide receiver who

2101
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: can stick around for the next five, six, seven years

2102
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 1: with Donald. With Manischmida from the New York Daily News,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the quarterback for a secum nation. I'm

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01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: not going to speak for Steve here, but I would say,

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01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 1: for my way of thinking, after Josh Allen, Sam Donald

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01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,400
Speaker 1: I think offers the most upside of anybody else in

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01:46:57,479 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: the quarterback class of twenty eighteen, including Lamar Jackson. And

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01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: the guy's just barely scratched the surface. But I think

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01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: he's got a lot more to go. I think Sam

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01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Darnold is going to be really good someday. Am i am,

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01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:12,720
Speaker 1: I off? I agree that. Being said, I expected a

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01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: greater jump from year one to year two, similar to

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01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: what you know what you saw from Josh Allen. Now, look,

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01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: you guys know Josh down a lot better than I do,

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01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,240
Speaker 1: but just from my uh you know, viewing of him

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01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 1: and talking to people around the league, there are still

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01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,439
Speaker 1: some serious questions about him as a pocket passer. That doesn't, however,

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Speaker 1: take away from the fact that he made some substantial

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Speaker 1: growth from year one to year two, whereas I think

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Speaker 1: Darnold made some incremental steps in the right direction. I don't, however,

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Speaker 1: think he's markedly better entering year three than he was

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Speaker 1: a year ago. Well do you have to do with that.

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01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't subscribe to that notion, only because in his

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01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:58,080
Speaker 1: first game back, he was AFC Offensive Player of the

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01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,799
Speaker 1: Week and he lit up the Cowboys. He played terrific.

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01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe that there were any residual health issues

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01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 1: because his first game back was his best game of

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01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 1: the season. So I don't I don't subscribe to that notion.

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, he was working through Adam

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01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: Gase's offense. I think there was a disconnect, to be

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01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: perfectly honest, between Gays and Darnald, only because I thought

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01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 1: that Gays tried to pigeonhole him into that Peyton Manning

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01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 1: mold he knew what worked in Denver with Manning. I

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01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:31,160
Speaker 1: think he tried to, uh, you know, kind of push

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01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: that on Darnald, and only after Darnald said, hey, you

2136
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: know what, these are things that don't necessarily work for me.

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01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:40,320
Speaker 1: These are things on the other side that I think

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01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:43,160
Speaker 1: that I'm particularly good at, and that, frankly, I think

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01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: it's a disappointment from Gayse's perspective. After watching every game

2140
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,600
Speaker 1: as a rookie, I think he should have known some

2141
01:48:49,800 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: of the elements in terms of style and preference that

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01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 1: made Donald good towards the end of his rookie year.

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01:48:55,439 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 1: It's almost as if as if Gays did not listen

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01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:01,400
Speaker 1: and watch what Donald did as a rookie and started

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01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: from scratching year two. I think that was a missed opportunity, frankly,

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01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,639
Speaker 1: because if he had done that, I think Donald would

2147
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:10,680
Speaker 1: be much farther along entering year three than he actually is.

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01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: How much his difference is going to make simply the

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01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: fact that he's going to have the same offense and

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01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: the same play call are going into a second third

2151
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:19,120
Speaker 1: year that he did, you know he made He made

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01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:23,599
Speaker 1: the switch from from the first head coach he had

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01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:27,600
Speaker 1: Todd to this second one in Adam Gase. Had to

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01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 1: learn a whole new system, new verbiage, the whole new

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01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: offensive thing. Now he's going to have a little bit

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01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: of stability going forward into his third year. How big

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01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: a step will that help? How big? How much will

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01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: that help? Sam Darnold going forward having some stability on

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01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 1: his coaching staff rather than going through yet another head coach. Now,

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01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:46,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of value in that. You know, the

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01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: offense that Jeremy Bates ran in Donald's rookie season was

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01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 1: more of a Mike Shanahan esque type of offense. Uh,

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01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, the blocking schemes were different. Uh. Adam Gasee's

2164
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:02,759
Speaker 1: offense is different the you know, Mike Shanahan Gary Kubiak

2165
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:08,080
Speaker 1: style of offense. So certainly that should theoretically benefit Darnold.

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01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, having that continuity year over year. The next

2167
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: question becomes how good is the actual offense? How good

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01:50:15,560 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 1: are their players around Sam Darnold. So yes, there's absolute

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01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 1: value in keeping the same system and continuity. However, you

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01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:26,679
Speaker 1: don't really know what the true value of that actually

2171
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: is until you find out whether it's the right system

2172
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 1: for this quarterback. And you're not going to know that

2173
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 1: obviously starting year three. You'll have a better handle of

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01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 1: that at the end of the twenty twenty season. But

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01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 1: entering this summer, this training camp, you know, being familiar

2176
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 1: with the terminology, being comfortable with the play caller, you know,

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Speaker 1: theoretically should help um Tell me about the Jets defense,

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01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:52,240
Speaker 1: maybe I guess the really the stars of their seven

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01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: win season last year, right, how much do they had

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01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,439
Speaker 1: to do with Greg Williams and how do they take

2181
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: the next step defensively? Well, I thought that Greg Williams

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01:50:59,320 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: did a terrific job. You know, for all the criticism

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01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 1: that this team got with that one in seven start,

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01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:07,320
Speaker 1: and then they finished strong. You know, they had a

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01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:10,280
Speaker 1: week schedule, but they don't control their schedules, so you know,

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01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't really matter. I thought through all of the

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01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:16,719
Speaker 1: the tough part of the first half of the season

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01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 1: and the relative success in terms of wins and losses

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01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:22,960
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season, that Williams's defense

2190
01:51:23,400 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: was really the anchor, and specifically the defensive line was

2191
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 1: the anchor. They were one of the top two teams

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01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: against the run. They're very stout against the run. A

2193
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:34,799
Speaker 1: lot of that had to do with what Greg Williams

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01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 1: and his staff did in terms of implementing the pieces

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01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: that they had, because you know, we've you know, we've

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01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 1: already talked about Sam Donald getting sick and missing time,

2197
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 1: and I think there were a lot of excuses on

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01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:47,759
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball because of injuries and illness,

2199
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,120
Speaker 1: when the reality and the truth of it is that

2200
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: there were more injuries and disappointment from personnel on the

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01:51:55,320 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 1: defensive side. But you just did not hear that from

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01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: Greg Williams. You didn't hear that very often from defensive

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01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,360
Speaker 1: players either. You had C. J. Mosley, who they made

2204
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,200
Speaker 1: the highest paid inside linebacker in NFL history and free

2205
01:52:07,240 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 1: agency essentially missed the entire season after getting hurt in

2206
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 1: that week one game against Buffalo and then reappearing briefly

2207
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,040
Speaker 1: for one more game and then being shelved, and he

2208
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,560
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the heartblood of that defense. And

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01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 1: ultimately what you saw was a growth from from Jamal Adams.

2210
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 1: You saw that Marcus made the other safety stay healthy

2211
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:30,479
Speaker 1: and play fairly well. And a lot of guys you

2212
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 1: never heard of, you know, a lot of second third

2213
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: tier type of players that played well in Greg Williams's system.

2214
01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 1: So the next step for them this offseason is to

2215
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:42,559
Speaker 1: is twofold. They have to get an edge pass rusher.

2216
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 1: They have not had an edge pass rushing presence in

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01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: a very long time. And for as good as the

2218
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: Jets were stopping the run, they didn't get home very often.

2219
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks dropped back, So that has to be their top

2220
01:52:54,640 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 1: priority I believe, or maybe that's their one A. Their

2221
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 1: one B has to be the cornerback position, because their

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01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 1: cornerbacks were not very good and in brief Spurts Greg Williams, Scott,

2223
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:08,560
Speaker 1: guys like Bless Austin who was a rookie, you know,

2224
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: guys like Nate Hairston who probably will be cut this

2225
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 1: year to play well in Spurts. But with Truemain Johnson,

2226
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:19,920
Speaker 1: their quote unquote best cornerback and highest paid cornerback, disappointing

2227
01:53:19,960 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: and ultimately he'll be cut this offseason not performing. You know,

2228
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: they need to beefing up that secondary, specifically cornerback. So

2229
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 1: edge an edge rusher and cornerback has to be very

2230
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: high on Joe Douglas's priority list this offseason. All right,

2231
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:37,599
Speaker 1: we're in that hypothetical kind of season, Nisian. I want

2232
01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: to ask you if, and you probably keep tracking this

2233
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 1: all the mock drafts that come out, who do most

2234
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 1: people have the Jets picking? Well, I think most people

2235
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 1: have them taking an offensive lineman. And depending on who

2236
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: you talk to, which offensive lineman is available is you know,

2237
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,240
Speaker 1: I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I

2238
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:55,920
Speaker 1: would be lying to you if I told you I

2239
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 1: was an expert on college tackles in college guards. But

2240
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 1: you hear about the Iowa kid, you hear about the

2241
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 1: Alabama kid, You hear about the same group of four

2242
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:06,240
Speaker 1: or five players. And I do believe that if the

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01:54:06,360 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Jets do not make a move, whether it's up or

2244
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 1: more likely down in the draft, that they would take

2245
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman at the eleven pick. Now that being said,

2246
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 1: there's so many dynam moving pieces and you know, things

2247
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 1: that you cannot predict. Last year, if the Jets had

2248
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 1: their druthers, they would have traded down with the Bills, frankly,

2249
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:26,439
Speaker 1: and the Bills wanted no parts of that. And if

2250
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:28,160
Speaker 1: the Jets traded down with the Bills, they would have

2251
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:30,679
Speaker 1: drafted at Oliver and that didn't happen. So I don't

2252
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen when Draft day rolls around,

2253
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:34,760
Speaker 1: and I don't know if the trade down is a

2254
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 1: realistic possibility. I think that would be Joe Douglass's preference.

2255
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 1: But if they stayed at eleven, I would be surprised, frankly,

2256
01:54:41,720 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: if one of those top four or five tackles were

2257
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:46,960
Speaker 1: available if the Jets did not take them. Monis before

2258
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 1: he let you go, let me and we talk about

2259
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: the amcast and link. Yesterday, Steve and I talked about

2260
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 1: the Jets a little bit, and I recall saying something

2261
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: on the lines of maybe the biggest stumbling block for

2262
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 1: the Jets that they're looking at is their head coach,

2263
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze. Is that possible? I mean, could he hold

2264
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 1: up their progress? Do you think? Sure? If he doesn't

2265
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 1: maximize Sam Arnold's career arc. He was hired specifically for that.

2266
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:14,640
Speaker 1: Now there's some leadership issues that he needs to correct because,

2267
01:55:14,680 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 1: in effect, the Jets have two head coaches. I think

2268
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: that's the worst kept secret inside that building. They have

2269
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,879
Speaker 1: an offensive head coach, Adam Gase. They have a defensive

2270
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 1: head coach and Greg Williams. The defensive players view Greg

2271
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 1: Williams as their head coach. The offensive players who Adam

2272
01:55:28,520 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: Gas as their head coach. That Adam Gays has the title,

2273
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: He's got the salary and the contract, but the reality

2274
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 1: is that I think he needs to be more of

2275
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 1: a leader. I think he needs to be more communicated,

2276
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: better at communicating with his players. There were some obvious

2277
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: issues that cropped up last year with players expressing their

2278
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 1: discontent over the way things were handled, both publicly and privately.

2279
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:52,960
Speaker 1: The public ones we know about Collectio Assembly and Luke

2280
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 1: falk Or both have both filed grievances against the team

2281
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:59,480
Speaker 1: injury grievances against the team. Quincy and Nonuniwal came out

2282
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:05,000
Speaker 1: against their policy in terms of posting fines and why

2283
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: he was fined on Veterans Day when he took his wife,

2284
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: who was a veteran, out to lunch instead of rehabbing.

2285
01:56:11,040 --> 01:56:13,080
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of other instances and a

2286
01:56:13,120 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of other examples of players who have spoken to me,

2287
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 1: at least privately as far as how they feel about

2288
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:22,200
Speaker 1: their head coach. Now that's correctable. I don't know if

2289
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 1: Adam Gase has the ego to correct it. But to

2290
01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 1: answer your question in a roundabout way, yes, I do

2291
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: think that Adam Gase could hold this team back, even schematically.

2292
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 1: There were some issues in terms of being stubborn and

2293
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: being rigid as opposed to being flexible and tailoring a

2294
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 1: scheme around players like Levion Bell. For example, if you're

2295
01:56:40,400 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 1: going to ask players like Bell to conform to your system,

2296
01:56:43,120 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a flawed approach. So I'll be interested

2297
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:49,400
Speaker 1: to see how much Adam Gase is flexible, how much

2298
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: he changes, because if he comports himself the matter that

2299
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 1: he has comported himself this past year, I can assure

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01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 1: you that the Jets will not be successful. Many thanks

2301
01:56:58,520 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 1: for talking to us today. Appreciate it. Thanks, guys, Appreciate you. Thanks.

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01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Niche Meniche made a New York Daily News NFL columnist

2303
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 1: Jets beach reporter. It's kind of a I don't know,

2304
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 1: it's not a trick question, but I kind of knew

2305
01:57:10,040 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 1: Meniche would answer that last question that way. He's not

2306
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,520
Speaker 1: an Adam Gays guy. I get it, and I'm not

2307
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 1: saying he's convinced me that way. But there's a long

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01:57:18,040 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 1: list and he went through a lot of them, long

2309
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:24,240
Speaker 1: list of reasons why you wonder about Adam Gays and

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01:57:24,440 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 1: his I guess it's fitness to be a head coach.

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Speaker 1: Alarming when he when he tells us and I you know,

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01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: no reason to think when he should not tell us

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01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 1: the truth. But when he says there's two different head

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01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:39,320
Speaker 1: coaches there, Adam Gays for the offense and Greg Greens

2315
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: for the defense, that's a huge problem. Red flag should

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01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 1: go up, right, that's a huge problem. You think about

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01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 1: this too. Last year about this time, both the Jets

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01:57:48,560 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 1: and the Bills, we had we had multiple conversations. We

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01:57:51,200 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: had callers calling in the Bills and the Jets were

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01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:57,240
Speaker 1: in the same spot. They had their young quarterback. The

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01:57:57,320 --> 01:57:59,560
Speaker 1: Bills had their head coach. The Jets, we're gonna hire

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01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,680
Speaker 1: a new one for that young quarterback. They spent their money.

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01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,360
Speaker 1: They had just about you know it, just maybe a

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01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:07,600
Speaker 1: few million bucks more than the Bills did to spend

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01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: in free agency. They went with C. J. Mosley and

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01:58:12,080 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 1: Levion Bell for the most part. The Bills went with

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01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: John Brown, Cole Beasley, Mitch Morris built it up that way.

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01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 1: They all they both drafted, both teams drafted, and they

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01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 1: went through this and maybe one of the biggest differences

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01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 1: in these two teams is their head coach. Where the

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01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:29,240
Speaker 1: Bills have this, I have a really strong leader who

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01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 1: everybody looks to, who sets the tone, who include who's

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01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 1: inclusive language, everybody's on board together, every you know, everybody's understood,

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01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:41,680
Speaker 1: everybody's heard, everybody's got a voice and whatever. And we're

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01:58:41,720 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 1: a million miles away from the Jets. You know and

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01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 1: whatever's going on over there, But you're saying hearing stories

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01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:49,160
Speaker 1: about two different head coaches and a guy who you

2338
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: know didn't want one of their high price free agents

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01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 1: at the number they got him at, and so there

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01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:56,240
Speaker 1: was dissension right away. Then they fired the general manager

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01:58:56,320 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: after that. So they the Jets diverse urged from the

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01:59:01,280 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: exact path that both the Bills and the Jets were on,

2343
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,760
Speaker 1: and the Bills have stayed the course and ended up

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01:59:07,800 --> 01:59:10,320
Speaker 1: with a ten win season. And like miniche Meta says,

2345
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:12,760
Speaker 1: and I've told you this too, that the eleventh win

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01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:17,000
Speaker 1: I called for them that I predicted. I was bummed

2347
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:20,760
Speaker 1: because because if if that game would have counted and

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01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:22,880
Speaker 1: the Bills starters would have played, the Bills would have

2349
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,560
Speaker 1: put the Jets into a into a pillowcase, hung them

2350
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 1: over the closed line, and beat them with a ball bat.

2351
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: The Bills would have would have that would have been,

2352
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:33,600
Speaker 1: could have been, should have been, would but it wasn't.

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01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: Didn't you say eleventh plus I did? Okay, everything would

2354
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:41,720
Speaker 1: have changed after so but you know what I'm saying,

2355
01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 1: the difference in leaders, Maybe that's it, Murph. Maybe the

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01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,520
Speaker 1: seven and nine Jets would have been as good as

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01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:51,000
Speaker 1: the ten and seven Bills had or ten and six

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01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 1: Bills had. The leadership been different in New York. And again,

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01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I don't want to take that

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01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: win away from you, but um, who knows? You're right?

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02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Really right about this. A year ago it was Bills

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02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:06,680
Speaker 1: and Jets neck and neck. They're making corresponding moves in

2363
02:00:06,760 --> 02:00:08,920
Speaker 1: freeation and the same needs. And now they opened against

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02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 1: each other, they finished the season against each other. It

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02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 1: was the perfect setup for a kind of a duel,

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02:00:14,160 --> 02:00:16,160
Speaker 1: a head to head matchup, and the Jets just weren't

2367
02:00:16,200 --> 02:00:18,360
Speaker 1: up to it yesterday or last year for no reason.

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02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 1: The Bills thumped him in that contest and the opener

2369
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:23,200
Speaker 1: for no reason about them in the entire thing. Overlook,

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02:00:23,240 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 1: how you handle your off season, your money, your general manager,

2371
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: your head coach, hiring a new head coach, your culture,

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02:00:29,080 --> 02:00:32,480
Speaker 1: the cul team winning culture. That's exactly right. And I

2373
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 1: said do not because they didn't have a reason. I

2374
02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 1: don't think they'll have it this year either. We gotta

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02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 1: go to a break out of work against them. But

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02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: here's here's my thought. The reason I got into this

2377
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:41,520
Speaker 1: was because they're kind of in the same thing. Now.

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02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:43,800
Speaker 1: The Bills need an edge rusher, cornerback, and they need

2379
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:47,040
Speaker 1: an offensive weapon, and they want to strengthen their offensive line. Again,

2380
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: the Jets are in the exact same they have the

2381
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 1: exact same holes, although I think their offensive line hole

2382
02:00:52,680 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 1: is gaping where the Bills is just maybe a couple

2383
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:57,880
Speaker 1: of dents. You know, and who do you trust to

2384
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:00,760
Speaker 1: solve their problems as off season? I'll take our guys.

2385
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,120
Speaker 1: I do too. I got a lot more to talk about,

2386
02:01:03,160 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: including your thoughts, where shop the Bills spend their resources,

2387
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: cap money, draft picks, all of it. We'll take a

2388
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:10,560
Speaker 1: few more phone calls, read a few more tweets when

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Speaker 1: we come back. One Bill's Live presented by Klata Health

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02:01:13,120 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: from the Seneca Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo

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02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:29,320
Speaker 1: Bills Radio. Hey. Next week at this time will be

2392
02:01:29,480 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 1: the NFL scounting Combine in Indianapolis. A couple of teams,

2393
02:01:32,800 --> 02:01:36,720
Speaker 1: the Broncos and Rams, decided to not send as many people.

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02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:38,360
Speaker 1: Pull in some of their assistant coaches out. What do

2395
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 1: you think that signified? Steve trend to the future or

2396
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:44,360
Speaker 1: just being cheap? Broncos and Rams not known to be cheating.

2397
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,280
Speaker 1: I wonder why they're not sending as many I got

2398
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 1: a theory. Can I let you know my theory is

2399
02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear you mean you mean it. I

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02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:53,440
Speaker 1: think teams are looking at the combine and saying, yeah,

2401
02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:56,000
Speaker 1: we get something out of it. But mostly it's and

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02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:58,280
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent said it, you know, it's a major event.

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02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:00,560
Speaker 1: Mostly it's an event. It's an office He's an event.

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02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:04,240
Speaker 1: It's maybe second or third to the NFL Draft in

2405
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:07,880
Speaker 1: terms of television eyeballs glued to the I'm talking about

2406
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,879
Speaker 1: offseason here. Draft is number one as far as offseason

2407
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 1: events combines, probably number two, And maybe teams are looking

2408
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 1: at and say, what are we getting out of this?

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02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, do we need the assistant wide receivers coach

2410
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: there to interview these prospects. I don't know that we do.

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02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying they might be looking at it. And again,

2412
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:26,680
Speaker 1: it saves money. I mean, think about it. That's not

2413
02:02:26,720 --> 02:02:30,400
Speaker 1: about money. Okay, here's what well, maybe I here's mine.

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02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:32,000
Speaker 1: You want to hear my theory, No, yeah, I do.

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02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 1: Here my theory on why these teams are starting to

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02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:37,440
Speaker 1: leave like assistant coaches behind and all that, because I

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02:02:37,480 --> 02:02:40,880
Speaker 1: think it is a different priority of evaluation process the

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02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:44,040
Speaker 1: priority process has a different priority at the combine than

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02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,880
Speaker 1: just the physical part of it. There's I'll tell you

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02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:51,800
Speaker 1: who what teams do not skimp on. All their doctors go,

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02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:56,320
Speaker 1: They all get the medical Their head coaches and gms

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02:02:56,360 --> 02:02:59,120
Speaker 1: go because they got to make the picks. And the

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02:02:59,200 --> 02:03:06,720
Speaker 1: other people that could are sociologists, social workers, psychologists, and

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02:03:07,840 --> 02:03:10,680
Speaker 1: and people who are trained to ask really tough questions.

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02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:14,760
Speaker 1: It's a personality test as much as it is a

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02:03:14,800 --> 02:03:17,160
Speaker 1: physical test. Assistant coaches don't have anything to do with

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02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:19,880
Speaker 1: any of that. They can look at the film and

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02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: see if the kid can play. They don't have to

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02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:23,360
Speaker 1: sit there and watch the kid and put their eyes

2430
02:03:23,400 --> 02:03:25,760
Speaker 1: on him. They can give you an evaluation from a

2431
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:29,080
Speaker 1: thousand miles away. But the but the you know, the

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02:03:29,200 --> 02:03:34,440
Speaker 1: social workers, the sociologist, the psychologist, the sports psychologist, the

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02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 1: people who come in there, they want to look at

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02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:37,400
Speaker 1: the kid in the eye. They want to sit in

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02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:39,680
Speaker 1: the room with them, with a bunch of ten or

2436
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:42,880
Speaker 1: fifteen people around and at fire questions at that guy

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02:03:43,400 --> 02:03:46,720
Speaker 1: and find out what he's made of mentally well and emotionally.

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02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:50,200
Speaker 1: That's why they're they're bringing people. Believe me, the rams

2439
02:03:50,240 --> 02:03:53,680
Speaker 1: and maybe leaving people behind, but they're bringing extra people

2440
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:55,879
Speaker 1: with them that don't have anything to do with football.

2441
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,280
Speaker 1: I may be disagreeing with you. See, I think those

2442
02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:01,640
Speaker 1: interviews are I think you're overstate how valuable those interviews are.

2443
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:05,320
Speaker 1: The combined interviews are fifteen minutes. These guys are coached

2444
02:04:05,400 --> 02:04:07,600
Speaker 1: up so that they know how to answer every question

2445
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:10,520
Speaker 1: they're asked. And I think important interviews, an important face

2446
02:04:10,600 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 1: to face physical contact and getting to know the personality

2447
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:16,000
Speaker 1: of the player might be done at a different time

2448
02:04:16,120 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 1: after the combine, Like, Hey, we're interested in this offensive

2449
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,160
Speaker 1: lineman from Georgia, why don't you go down and talk

2450
02:04:21,240 --> 02:04:23,640
Speaker 1: to him and to his workout day, or why don't

2451
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:25,000
Speaker 1: you go spend a little time with him? You know

2452
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think I think they put too

2453
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:30,480
Speaker 1: much emphasis on those They're fifteen minutes. What are you

2454
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:32,520
Speaker 1: gonna learn about a person? Look for fifteen minutes, I

2455
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:35,680
Speaker 1: could make you think I was a good guy. Ready, go, No,

2456
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:40,440
Speaker 1: it's too late. So I get it. You're right, and

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02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:43,040
Speaker 1: it may be, but and you're and I think the

2458
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:45,320
Speaker 1: thing you said first of all, that was just my

2459
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:48,120
Speaker 1: theory too, and I still agree with it. They still

2460
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:50,880
Speaker 1: put a lot into those interviews. But I think the

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02:04:51,280 --> 02:04:53,680
Speaker 1: simple fact the matter is that the darn thing has

2462
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:57,360
Speaker 1: become so big now. They got these guys coming in staggering,

2463
02:04:57,440 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 1: like certain players come in like Monday, Tuesday, Like Monday.

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02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 1: These guys come in Tuesday, these guys overlap with the

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02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 1: guys that came in on Monday. Wednesday, everybody's there, and

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02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:09,400
Speaker 1: then the first guys that got there on Monday are gone.

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02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 1: After Wednesday, a new group and you know, and then

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02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,400
Speaker 1: a new group leaves on Thursday, and then the last

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02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:16,120
Speaker 1: guys that are there are the guys that are left.

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02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:18,760
Speaker 1: They overlap them, they stagger them coming through so they

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02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 1: can get more guys in or at least get some

2472
02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:24,760
Speaker 1: more quality workouts. Are just there's less distractions and fewer

2473
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:27,040
Speaker 1: guys to look at on a day to day basis.

2474
02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:31,680
Speaker 1: But it is it's becoming an event, you can bet too.

2475
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:34,760
Speaker 1: It's evolving towards something else like this this combine thing

2476
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:39,000
Speaker 1: that we just said that historically black historically black colleges

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02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:41,400
Speaker 1: and universities are having their their combine. Then there's another

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02:05:41,480 --> 02:05:46,000
Speaker 1: regional combine somewhere else for the guys that just are

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02:05:46,120 --> 02:05:50,800
Speaker 1: from the smaller colleges and universities by invitation only they're

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02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 1: getting now they've got three of them, right, It's going

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02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:56,200
Speaker 1: to continue to evolve and then pretty soon it's going

2482
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:57,880
Speaker 1: to be every man for himself, and you know, the

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02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:01,000
Speaker 1: combine will be a TV event, and you know it's

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02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:02,840
Speaker 1: I just wonder if they're talking an All Star game.

2485
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 1: A couple of teams pulling back on their staff there

2486
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:07,920
Speaker 1: indicates the way it's going. I don't know. Hey, our

2487
02:06:07,960 --> 02:06:10,120
Speaker 1: Twitter poll today, all the resources of the Bills have

2488
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: plenty of cap space, nine draft picks, the ability to

2489
02:06:13,160 --> 02:06:15,600
Speaker 1: work the trade market. Where should they spend most of

2490
02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:19,000
Speaker 1: their resources this offseason? Three it's been it's been a

2491
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:24,200
Speaker 1: blowout eight thirteen say offensive weapons, twelve percent say defensive line,

2492
02:06:24,240 --> 02:06:27,240
Speaker 1: eleven percent say or ten percent say offensive line, two

2493
02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:29,520
Speaker 1: percent say something else. The tweet sheet brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official movers of the Buffalo Bills. JW.

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Speaker 1: Socks says, I think you need a strong right tackle.

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02:06:36,640 --> 02:06:39,600
Speaker 1: Johs did not handle heavy pressure on passing downs. I

2497
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:41,640
Speaker 1: don't know about that. A big free agent signing would

2498
02:06:41,640 --> 02:06:44,240
Speaker 1: help him stay upright. That was a problem area times

2499
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:46,880
Speaker 1: last year. Maybe Ford takes a big step in his

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02:06:47,000 --> 02:06:49,880
Speaker 1: second year. Maybe maybe Ford takes a big step to

2501
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:53,480
Speaker 1: his left and place guard in his second year, or

2502
02:06:53,520 --> 02:06:58,880
Speaker 1: if they don't resign up Quentin Spain, Ford goes over

2503
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:02,080
Speaker 1: to left guard. They could do anything. Cody Ford could

2504
02:07:02,120 --> 02:07:06,160
Speaker 1: play both guards and right tackle. And I think whichever

2505
02:07:06,280 --> 02:07:08,080
Speaker 1: the best guy is, they can pull off free agency

2506
02:07:08,120 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 1: in the draft. Goody Ford plays a complimentary role to

2507
02:07:10,920 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 1: him that that's kind of what I think. I think.

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02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,240
Speaker 1: And from Adam, he says we need to resign all

2509
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:17,760
Speaker 1: of our guys this year, and I think he means

2510
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:22,280
Speaker 1: extend all of our guy well maybe not Milano, Trey White, Dawkins,

2511
02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:24,400
Speaker 1: and Phillips. Then we should target the best offensive players

2512
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:26,640
Speaker 1: available in the draft, whether it's line or skill. Just

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02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 1: get the best player available. If once they resigned Tradevious White,

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02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:36,000
Speaker 1: Matt Matt Milano, Deon Dawkins, No, yeah, Deon Dawkins, and

2515
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:39,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, sign those guys. He leaves Shack Lawson off

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02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:41,840
Speaker 1: that list. If you can get all those guys and

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02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:44,080
Speaker 1: then bolster it, yeah, that's that's a good idea. I

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Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna be able to do all of that,

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Speaker 1: though certainly Trey White is at the top of the list.

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Speaker 1: Matt Milano's you know, you think about it, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: start thinking about those guys. Sure, Matt Milano's gonna need

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Speaker 1: an extension. You can't let him get out the door,

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Speaker 1: particularly on the same year you also lose Lorenzo Alexander. Well,

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Speaker 1: he can't leave this year, so right, but you're you

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02:08:03,720 --> 02:08:08,080
Speaker 1: know you're not going to transition him or franchise tag him, right? No?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not. I mean, just get him extended from guy

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Speaker 1: named Jello. It isn't sexy, but I think we need

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02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,960
Speaker 1: to shore up both lines. The defense had issues stopping

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Speaker 1: the run in several games. Alan Off did not often

2530
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:22,760
Speaker 1: did not have time to get to his second option,

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Speaker 1: sometimes even the first. If you win at the line,

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02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:29,280
Speaker 1: usually win the games. And along with that, well, I

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02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,840
Speaker 1: was going to say every almost every time the Bills

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02:08:31,880 --> 02:08:35,400
Speaker 1: lost last year, Sean McDermott's take was, um, we didn't

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Speaker 1: win the line of scrimmage. You know, we did not

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02:08:37,680 --> 02:08:40,080
Speaker 1: control the line of scrimmage almost every time the Bills lost,

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02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:42,640
Speaker 1: And he was referring to offensive line and defensive line

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02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:46,760
Speaker 1: in particular. Yeah, and that he echoed those same sentiments

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02:08:46,800 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 1: when I you know, I did a Sean McDermott show

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Speaker 1: during the regular season two years ago as well as

2541
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:52,839
Speaker 1: this last year and two years ago on our offensive

2542
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:57,160
Speaker 1: line was was so porous and just needed upgrades everywhere.

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02:08:57,800 --> 02:09:01,280
Speaker 1: Um he would you know, signed off because we can't

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02:09:01,320 --> 02:09:04,080
Speaker 1: win up front if you can't win, and that's that's

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02:09:04,840 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 1: the issue, yep, going forward. So they tried to fix

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02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 1: it last year and took a huge step. I don't

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02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:11,840
Speaker 1: think you forget that lesson. That's right, all right, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a break. We're gonna come back with more.

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Speaker 1: One Bills Line presented by Kalaida Health from the Seneca

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02:09:16,040 --> 02:09:33,680
Speaker 1: Studio in Orchard Park. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. What

2551
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:36,560
Speaker 1: have we learned from today's show? Brought to you by Skyworks,

2552
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:39,480
Speaker 1: the official construction equipment rental company of the Buffalo Bills.

2553
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:43,880
Speaker 1: What have we learned? Nothing? Nothing, No, I'll tell you

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02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:45,640
Speaker 1: what I learned. I don't care what anybody else says.

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02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:48,160
Speaker 1: I learned a lot from Niche Meta, our guest today,

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02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:50,880
Speaker 1: and from Troy Benson. Let me start with Niche Meta.

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Speaker 1: When I'm repeating myself when he said the Jets, there's

2558
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:56,840
Speaker 1: a feeling that the Jets have two head coaches, one

2559
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:00,400
Speaker 1: for offense, Adam Gaze, one for defense, Greg Williams. If

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02:10:00,440 --> 02:10:02,760
Speaker 1: there was an internal alarm clock, if there was an

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02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 1: internal alarm system that could go off, in my head,

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02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:08,000
Speaker 1: it went off. I was like, WHOA, that's a problem.

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02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:09,680
Speaker 1: That's a big problem for the Jets. And I don't,

2564
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,560
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't feel sorry for the Jets.

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02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad that that's happening to them. Yeah, and you're right,

2566
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:16,640
Speaker 1: that is that sent up red flags to me too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's you. You can't be divided on a

2568
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:25,040
Speaker 1: football team and still play your best. That and you

2569
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:26,840
Speaker 1: want to talk about one of the main reasons why

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02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:28,800
Speaker 1: a team falls to seven and nine with a kind

2571
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:32,560
Speaker 1: of talent they were able to accumulate, it is putting

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02:10:32,560 --> 02:10:35,400
Speaker 1: it together. It's a culture. It is an atmosphere in

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Speaker 1: the building. And when you're divided like that, you're not

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02:10:37,880 --> 02:10:40,600
Speaker 1: going to be successful, or particularly not as successful as

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02:10:40,680 --> 02:10:44,000
Speaker 1: you could otherwise be if if you had really good

2576
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:47,120
Speaker 1: leadership and a really cohesive coaching staff and all that.

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02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:49,240
Speaker 1: So I was I was a little surprised by that too,

2578
02:10:49,320 --> 02:10:52,240
Speaker 1: by Sun And you know, they always say, well, they don't.

2579
02:10:52,280 --> 02:10:54,600
Speaker 1: You don't want people pointing fingers at each other. Maybe

2580
02:10:54,640 --> 02:10:57,440
Speaker 1: they never publicly pointing fingers, but in the back of

2581
02:10:57,480 --> 02:11:00,280
Speaker 1: their mind, if I'm a Jets defender and things go badly,

2582
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,400
Speaker 1: you think, well, that's those knuckleheads on offense. I don't

2583
02:11:02,400 --> 02:11:05,120
Speaker 1: know what they're doing or vice versa. Right, that's its fingerpoint,

2584
02:11:05,240 --> 02:11:06,920
Speaker 1: even if it never comes out public. That's a bad

2585
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:08,520
Speaker 1: place to be, all right. What have we learned from

2586
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:10,640
Speaker 1: today's show from Troy Vincent? Let me tell you what

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02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:12,320
Speaker 1: I learned. This is good. I can do my own.

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Speaker 1: What have we learned? I don't know if they have

2589
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:15,080
Speaker 1: it produced stuff. You know what I learned from that?

2590
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:20,080
Speaker 1: And it's about pass interference, replay review on pass interference.

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02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:24,960
Speaker 1: It appears to me the league is is going to

2592
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:27,280
Speaker 1: make the case at the meetings at the end of March,

2593
02:11:27,400 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 1: said hey, coaches, you wanted it. This is what we did.

2594
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 1: We made an extremely high threshold across the reverse the

2595
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:35,800
Speaker 1: play by a replay. This is what you wanted, this

2596
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:37,840
Speaker 1: is how it worked. Do what you're gonna do with it.

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02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:40,200
Speaker 1: And I think they're almost challenging the coaches now to

2598
02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:42,760
Speaker 1: pull it back after one year. I don't know. It

2599
02:11:43,680 --> 02:11:46,520
Speaker 1: didn't work. Nobody really by the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: You had to be an idiot if you're an NFL

2601
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Speaker 1: head coach to throw your flag out and try to

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Speaker 1: get a pass interference called reverse. And I don't think

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02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:55,400
Speaker 1: the league is very is interested in going the other way,

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02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:58,440
Speaker 1: like lowering the bar for nobody wants that. I think.

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02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:00,760
Speaker 1: I think you're right. There were four things that he

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Speaker 1: said that they were looking at. There was a use

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Speaker 1: of the helmet, the blindside blocks, which I almost I

2608
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:08,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, we remember Cody Ford making that block,

2609
02:12:09,200 --> 02:12:12,720
Speaker 1: and he's right. I thought I zipped it up. I left,

2610
02:12:13,120 --> 02:12:16,440
Speaker 1: and opa offensive and defensive passing affairs that you just

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Speaker 1: mentioned an offensive holder remember, and you forgot, You forget

2612
02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:21,000
Speaker 1: all this stuff. Remember the first couple of weeks of

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Speaker 1: the season, like twenty holding penalties a game, and they

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Speaker 1: finally got that under control. And it's interesting too for

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Speaker 1: those of you who think I they don't do anything

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Speaker 1: that all they talked about was the officiating getting it right,

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Speaker 1: developing new guys. They hired a new guy to come

2618
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Speaker 1: in for development and training. Uh who was it? Was it?

2619
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:44,120
Speaker 1: Walt Anderson? He said no, it was at it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Walt Aner, one of the former white hats that you'd

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02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:48,760
Speaker 1: see on the on the field. They brought him and

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02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 1: he's gonna start getting better officiating on the field. They're

2623
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Speaker 1: starting to talk about that Hawkeye thing where they got

2624
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Speaker 1: their own angles and own cameras and doing that themselves.

2625
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Speaker 1: Um so they're they're on it, and they're they're attacking it,

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Speaker 1: trying to make it better on the field and get

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Speaker 1: more consistent, which is I think, really the holy grail

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Speaker 1: of officiating. I learned a lot from today's show, I

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Speaker 1: really did. Yeah, it was a good show. We learned

2630
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Speaker 1: that Nigel Bradham has been released by the Eagles. We

2631
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Speaker 1: learned that Drew Brees is coming back to the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Nothing shocking there, and we'll be back tomorrow to do

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Speaker 1: another show kind of like this one. Production assistance from

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Speaker 1: George Blasts. Didn't see him today, Jeff Colton and Thomas Homilder.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see him. Kelly Road not here, JJ Teredo,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Cartis, James Roebel, producer Jay Harris. We got you

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at twelve noon with One Bill's Live, presented by

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Speaker 1: Kalada Health from the Seneca Studio in Archard Park. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bill's Radio