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Speaker 1: I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: Podcast Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, one

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Speaker 1: of them productions. iHeart Radio Media. iHeart Podcast Recap, Season two,

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Speaker 1: Episode fourteen. It should have been Laurel I. Air date

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Speaker 1: February twelfth, two thousand and two. I have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest today, Ladies and gentlemen, we have somehow I

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Speaker 1: mean hit upon such a stroke of luck, Suzanne Francis

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Speaker 1: joining us. Her schedule is so filled right now. She

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Speaker 1: was on a helicopter on her way to the island

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Speaker 1: company that runs that, and she's decided, and she's in

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Speaker 1: the airport right now, in that little helliport, and she's

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Speaker 1: decided through her phone to give us some of her time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for delaying your now your personal appearances all

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Speaker 1: over the world, your world famous, so much appreciated, Suzanne.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: And Aloha, absolutely aloha. I am always happy to drop

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Speaker 2: whatever I'm doing, even if I'm, you know, thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: Will Oh, you'd already taken off in your to circle back.

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Speaker 1: So that's wow. I appreciate that when you got that,

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Speaker 1: to go to Hawaii? Then you came back. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm subtle, all right. Christopher's backing Star's Hollow Company by

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Speaker 1: his new girlfriend Sherry, and she's committed to starting a

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Speaker 1: who directed the pilot directed this. Daniel Palladino wrote it,

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Speaker 1: And did I tell you Suzanne French? We plucked her

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a little harry. It was kind of

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Speaker 1: And forth, but it was like a bond FHIW the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like I had unbelievable. Thank you so much, Suzanne, Tom

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Speaker 1: Cruise French. Chris is in town for work and comes

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Speaker 1: to Rory's debate at Chilton. He brings Sherry, his lady love.

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Speaker 1: for all you Christopher, of all three of you Christopher

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Speaker 1: fans out there, this must have been a great watch

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Speaker 1: for you. Listen, let's get into this. We see Christopher

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Speaker 1: Share you think that was an appropriate way for christ

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Speaker 2: I like that, well, I mean the invitation was initiated

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Speaker 1: I think you kind of expect something like that from Christopher.

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Speaker 2: She was thrown off by that. And then Emily also

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Speaker 1: All Right, So Lane's grounding. Lane is grounded over her

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Speaker 2: I You know, I can't speak for you, obviously.

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Speaker 2: So how how does Scott Patterson relate to Lane's passion

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Speaker 2: To me? And I know there's other people that have

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Speaker 2: Well, to me, first of all, I hate that she

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Speaker 2: That's not something that you discussed with your child. And

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Speaker 1: Well, that begs this question, should they have tried harder

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Speaker 1: But it just it just shows how immature he is.

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Speaker 1: For sure, you think the show should have given Chris

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Speaker 1: to everything that's happening here. Can exes be friends.

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Speaker 1: Depends on how it ended, right right, right.

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