1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back to the Clay Travis and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton Show. I'm Buck, I got Clay here with me, 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: and just to give you a sense where we're all 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: going together. We are going to be talking about the 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: so called insurrection in a moment, but later this hour, 7 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: withdrawal from Afghanistan not going well. Now, put aside whether 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: withdrawal is what you think should happen or not. What's 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: happening on the ground in that country is looking like 10 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: a disaster is unfolding. We want to hear from veterans 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: who fought in Afghanistan. I know there's so many veterans 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: and thank you for your service, so many who listened 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: to this program. So the lines are open for everybody, 14 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: but particularly we really want to give priority here that 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: later on this hour we're talking about Afghanistan to veterans 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 1: of Iraq war, Afghanistan, I mean, Afghanistan will be great 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: butt either war. We'd love to hear from you how 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: you feel about this decision. Eight hundred two eight two 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: eight two eight hundred two eight two two eight two. 20 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Remember go to Clayenbuck dot com for update stories and clips. 21 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: So I have a pretty straightforward proposition that I wanted 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: to put out there, and Clay and I are going 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 1: to dive into it together here at a moment, and 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: that is that anyone who says and really believes that 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: the January sixth riot is an insurrection is an idiot 26 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: actually wrote about this. That's the title of the piece 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: I have at buck Sexton dot com. I just I 28 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: had to get this out there because I am so 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: sick of the insanity and the stupidity around this, And 30 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: it's also very intentional from the left. They're using this 31 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: the labeling of as many Conservatives as possible as insurrectionists 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: and extremists. And doesn't matter if you were there, by 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: the way, doesn't matter if you had anything to do 34 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: with this, whether you support it what happened on January 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: sixth or not, whether you condemned it right away, guilt 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: by association of conservatism and therefore justifying the oppressive measures 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: taken against you as the whole plan. I mean, what 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: level of oppression are we talking about here? What level 39 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: of stupidity actually are they willing to say on TV 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: about the so called insurrection earlier? This week, we had 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: someone who on MSNBC said it was worse than nine 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: to eleven. Here we go, here's here's another person. This 43 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: is Steve Schmidt. This guy actually was running the McCain 44 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: campaign years ago and now he's never Trump, you know, 45 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: never Trump, ideological mercenario, says whatever, say to be on 46 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: TV and get the paycheck. But here he is telling 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: everybody that the Capitol riot is worse than nine to eleven. 48 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: My friend Matthew Doawd, our friend you know, talked about this. 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: He couldn't be more right. The one six attack for 50 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: the future of the country to a profoundly more dangerous 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: event than the nine to eleven attacks. And in the end, 52 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: the one six attacks are likely to kill a lot 53 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: more Americans they were killed on the nine eleven attacks, 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: which will include the casualties of the wars that lasted 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: twenty years following it. We have had there. It's of 56 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: political violence in this country, and I believe we're on 57 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: the edge of another one, tragically, and we have to 58 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: fight back against it at the ballot box. You know, Clay, 59 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 1: the violent overthrow of the US government would probably take 60 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: more than bare spray and fire extinguishers. I mean, the 61 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: most ominous weapon that they had on January six seems 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: to be the spear that QAnon Shaman had with a 63 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: flag attached to it. And I understand his furry hat 64 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: maybe intimidating to people of Jerry Nadler's stature and courage, 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: but let's be real here, this is completely outrageous. I mean, 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: it's so insulting to say to compare it to nine 67 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: to eleven is looney tunes to say it's worse than 68 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: nine eleven. But Clay, this is not a one off narrative. 69 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: This is what they're telling themselves because they it's like 70 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: they turn the dial to eleven they go, they turn 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: the crazy up so high that there must be some 72 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: truth to it in the eyes of people listening. That's 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: what they're hoping to do. I want to it's partly 74 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: based on the journalists who are covering this right, and 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: those are the people that anger me more than the 76 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: politicians who are clearly lying for their own benefit. I mean, 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: comparing this to nine to eleven is such an insult 78 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: to anyone who lived through nine to eleven at all. 79 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: But Buck, I want you to hear this Vice News coverage. 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: You and I were sitting this back. I don't even 81 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: remember the last several days, and I was like, we 82 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: got to manage to make sure that we hit some 83 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: of these quotes. All right, this is a Vice News 84 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: expose that came out. The headline is reporters who survived 85 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: the Capitol Riot are still struggling. So I want to 86 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: start with this question, Buck, can you be considered a 87 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: survivor when no one died? Like, I know, we expanded 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: the term survivor, but no one who was a reporter died, right, 89 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: So when every reporter survives something, are you really a survivor? Like? 90 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: Am I surviving this day? Knock on wood? If I 91 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: don't die today? Am I like a survivor of July 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: the ninth and July the tenth? Like when we define 93 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: surviving predicated on something that everyone survived, with the exception 94 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: by the way of the one woman who was shot 95 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: that we still don't know who was shot. But this 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: is where the storylines begin to get set reporters who 97 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: survived the deadly Capitol riot. This is the headlines, only 98 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: deadly Fishy Babbitt just to be only Ashley Babbitt, who 99 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: was innocent, theoretically unarmed, we know for sure unnecessarily shot 100 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: I think probably, but we don't know who shot or 101 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: we don't know the full story there. Okay, these are 102 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: quotes from reporters who quote survived the insurrection. It's eerily 103 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: back to normal, But sometimes it feels like one of 104 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: those horror movies, like the end of Jaws. Everything feels 105 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: copasetic on the beach. But you wonder if there's anything 106 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: out there that day. We weren't just observers, we were 107 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: the targets. A lot of US reporters are having a 108 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: tough time with this. Listen to this Lisa dejar Dan. 109 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how you pronounce her name 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: or not said. I'm still not sleeping like I used to. 111 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: I became an insomniac. Buck. This is madness in this. 112 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Listen to this guy, this guy, Matt Laslow. It's my office, 113 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: the building I love most in the effing world. I 114 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: used to call the capital my girlfriend. I've devoted fifteen 115 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: years of my gd life to that building. He started 116 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: choking up. Now I don't want to be there. I mean, 117 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: are these really like we are hearing these quotes and like, what, 118 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: what in the world are we even considering when we 119 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: have people like this giving quotes like these, and let's 120 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: not forget that the sam I mean, we're talking about 121 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: advice obviously. Now you've got a bunch of you know, 122 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: oat milk drinkers from Parkslope, Brooklyn who are are just 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: so left in all of their ideologically ideological proclivities, but 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: they're fine with the riots that happened for months and 125 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: months at a time, day in and day out. You know, 126 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: probably hundreds of them, if you I mean, these are 127 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: the same people who will stand in front of an 128 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: actual looting under the banner of BLM and say, you know, 129 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: this is no big deal, this isett setting rights. It's 130 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: mostly peaceful. I mean, I will never forget the sea. 131 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: I don't remember who the reporter was, and I want 132 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: to say it might have been Don Lemon, but I 133 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: can't remember. Now there was a reporter at CNN who 134 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: was standing with a literal conflagration a burning building behind them, saying, well, 135 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: this is a mostly peaceful protest. I mean the look, 136 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: let's be very clear, by Democrat definition, the January sixth riot, 137 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: it was not an insurrection unless you really believe that 138 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of unarmed people who were taking selfies. Once 139 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: they got inside. I know some of them assaulted officers 140 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: on the outside. And I've said any law breaking should 141 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: be prosecuted all along, but we shouldn't treat, you know, 142 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: throwing a you know, a paper bag full of trash 143 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: or whatever at cops or hitting them the face as 144 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: though it's the same thing as a bunch of guys 145 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: who were armed and trying to overthrow the actual United 146 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: States government an act of treason or insurrection in this case. 147 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: But we're not even operating in the same universe with 148 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: the Democrats in this clay. They just formed the Select 149 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Committee this week, and polos c who is the biggest 150 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: liar on planet Earth, pretends like she's sad. She also 151 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: just over remembers she pretended to be sad to bring 152 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: these second impeachment proceedings. She wash, this is very sadamn. 153 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm sep set, I'm crying. But also the insurrection argument 154 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: is I think we need to just keep hammering this 155 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: the idea. First of all, there are a lot of 156 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: grandmothers that have been arrested. How many insurrections in American 157 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: history buck have been led by grandma's unarmed not very much. 158 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna toss this out there 159 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: that in general, grandmas who are unarmed have been relatively 160 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: unsuccessful in overthrowing the government. And what happened here, if anything, 161 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: and this is this is the real irony that I 162 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: believe deserves to be explored more is remember the New 163 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: York Times fired their executive editor because Tom Cotton, Senator 164 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: from Arkansas, wrote a peace saying, Hey, we need more 165 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: military presence to protect with all these riots going on. 166 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: What happened as soon as the insurrection occurred, The New 167 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: York Times said, where were all the officers? Where were 168 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: all the security? They wouldn't allow them to be deployed. 169 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: That's the real story here, is that we had gotten 170 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: so used to no law enforcement being allowed to do 171 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: their jobs during riots and protests and everything else, that 172 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: there was no one there to actually stop what were 173 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: mostly mostly people who just went inside and took photos 174 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: and sort of paraded through. Again, the only casualty directly 175 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: related to January sixth was Ashley Babbott, and we still 176 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: don't know anything about who shot her, about whether or 177 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: not really that was justified force. They just kind of 178 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: have covered that entire story up, and yet Nancy Pelosi 179 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: has Select Committee and Democrat pundits go on TV and 180 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: say it was worse than nine to eleven. And because 181 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: of that kind of rhetoric, because of the lies that 182 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: are being told, you have the actual Qann Shaman guy, 183 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: Jacob Anthony Chansley. He's been in solitary confinement, held in 184 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: prison now for six months because of what is effectively 185 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: the charges are actually obstruction of an official government proceeding 186 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: and trespass. That's it. He didn't threaten anybody, didn't he 187 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: didn't attack anybody, But they're holding him because he became 188 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: such a visual symbol. And the judge who's holding him 189 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: is claiming it's because he's an imminent threat to democracy? 190 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: Should he be released? This one guy who had a 191 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: bare hat face paint and his spear in his hands 192 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: and clearly has some asiological issues. Yeah, I mean they're 193 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: they're finally looking at that this one guy is being held, 194 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: and there are hundreds that they're prosecuting over this situation. 195 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: It'll look some There was a grandma who was the 196 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: first one. I think she just got probation. Yeah, because 197 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: she trespassed on federal government property. She didn't actually do anything. 198 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, which is, by the way, the 199 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: vast majority of the people who were in the capitol, 200 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: most of them were just trespassing, right like that. That's 201 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: the overwhelming number that are being charged. And this is 202 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: why they had to keep pushing what should have been 203 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: an obviously falsifiable lie. If the media cared about the 204 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: truth in the beginning, when they kept saying Officer sick 205 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: Nick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher or 206 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: with a flagpole or whatever it was, that they needed 207 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: to have that there because all of a sudden, it 208 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: was hold on, you guys are killing cops. That's a 209 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: whole other level. Shoving some officers, being violent with them, 210 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: that's a crime. You gotta you gotta pay the price 211 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: for that. But murdering a cop, obviously is a whole 212 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: other level. The corporate democrat media lied about that four 213 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: months and they still refuse to actually correct that narrative. 214 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: They still say it was a lethal riot. Yeah, it 215 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: was lethal for Ashley Babbitt. It was not lethal for 216 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: anybody else. If you have a heart attack three days 217 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: after you have to do some police work at a riot, 218 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: that's not a violent riot, murdering you, it's not the 219 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: same thing. And also, we do no violent riots in Buffalo. 220 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: They drove right over a line of police officers. Right. 221 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: What has always gotten me is this is the one 222 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: incident in which I look, I wish it hadn't happened. 223 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: I wish people had been smart enough to know, hey, 224 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: if you do this, you're going to be used as 225 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: political propaganda by the Democrats for years. Right, that's the truth. 226 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: But we had months of riots going on all over 227 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: this country, of people being arrested for assaulting police officers, 228 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: for throwing molotov cocktails, for burning buildings, and then being 229 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: released with no charges whatsoever. And then the one thing 230 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: that Republicans are involved in, right, I mean, I think 231 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: that's fair to say, the one incident that Republicans are 232 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: involvedolved in in an entire walless off six months is 233 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: the one that the Democrats and the media will not 234 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: let go of. There's there's a election interference narrative clay 235 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: that I want to bring up when we come back 236 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: in just a moment here that I think it gets 237 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: completely lost in all of this. But there was a 238 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: very serious election interference in twenty twenty that I want 239 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: to talk to everybody about it, and we'll dive into 240 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: that and then remember for Afghanistan, we would love to 241 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: hear from some veterans the United States military. What do 242 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: you think about the situation the withdrawal eight hundred two 243 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: eight two two eight a two eight hundred two a 244 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: two two eight eight two. Make sure you follow us 245 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Clay and Buck on Twitter and Facebook. All right, Clay, 246 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what your politics are or who you 247 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: voted for. You and I both know that everybody should 248 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: have the right to express themselves freely. But what are 249 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: we talking about here? Day in a day out. Big 250 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: tech is crushing conservatives. They've censored me, They've censored Clay. 251 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: So I say it's time we fight back against big 252 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: tex control of the Internet. That's why I use express 253 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: VPN because I've ever wondered how free to access tech 254 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: giants make their money. Well, let's buy tracking your searches, 255 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: your video history, and everything you click on. They build 256 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: a profile on you. 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Got some cuts from Joe Biden, which of 275 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: course don't make any sense at all, But we are 276 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: leaving right now. The lines open for when we come 277 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: back second half of this hour. We want to hear 278 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: from people who served and spent time in Afghanistan, including 279 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: buck Sexton. You as a CIA analyst. Yeah, so I 280 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: had the view of somebody who was making Latte's at 281 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: the camp, back at the base, so to speak. But 282 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: I did get a very good view of what was 283 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: going on in the country ten years ago as a 284 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: result of that, a pretty high level policy view. At least, 285 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: we want to hear from the warfighters. We want to 286 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: hear from those of you who served, and that means 287 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: calling in the lines right now, tell us what you 288 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: think about all this. And you know, Clay, I just 289 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: wanted to say what I was alluding to before the break, 290 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: and I think it doesn't get nearly enough attention, just 291 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: to button up our conversation about the so called insurrection, 292 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: which again I wrote an editorial at Bucksex and dot 293 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: com on it that if you call it an insurrection, 294 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: you're being an idiot. In my opinion, this whole election 295 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: was held under a cloud of violence. The twenty twenty 296 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: election was held under the threat of if Biden voters 297 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: don't get their way, there'll be mass riots all across 298 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: the country. Stores prepared for it with barricades and fences. 299 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: And that's something that I think we should never forget about. 300 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: So let's get into Afghanistan. We come back, Clay, and 301 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: I got to set the table for you on that. 302 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: In the meantime, trillions and trillions of dollars have been 303 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: pumped into our economy over the last few years. 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Make them funny, make them witty, 332 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: make us laugh, and we will hopefully be able to 333 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: feature you on this program. We're gonna feature a lot 334 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: of callers here a momentarily, but first, the United States 335 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: is leaving Afghanistan after nearly twenty years of substantial presence 336 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: in that country, and the question that is being asked 337 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: is what did we gain and was it worth the cost. 338 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna have that debate and that discussion here momentarily, 339 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: but first, the White House is rolling in on this issue. 340 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: Let's play Jen Saki seventeen. First, we're going to continue 341 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: to work for the release of detained Americans, including Mark Ferris. 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: I want to founce the name correctly, I miss spoke 343 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: so that he can return to his family safely. And 344 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: this starting this month, we're gonna begin to relocate. We're 345 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: going to begin relocation flights for Afghanistan SIV APPLICANSA and 346 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: their families who choose to leave. We went for two 347 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: reasons one two bring osamam Laden to the gates of Hell. 348 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: As I said at the time, what an embarrassment that 349 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: entire clip is. I mean, this is becoming difficult. I 350 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: mean I feel bad Buck in the way that I 351 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: feel bad anybody out there who has been at Thanksgiving 352 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: and you've got an elderly relative who is just clearly 353 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: struggling with their mental faculties. I mean, I think every 354 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: American out there feels bad in those situations. But we 355 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: have managed to put this person in the most powerful 356 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: land in the war world and he can't talk. I mean, 357 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: he can barely communicate. I am angry at the Democrat 358 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: elites and the apparatus of their power for putting me. 359 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: And I know you feel this way too, in a 360 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: position where because they've made this guy the commander in chief, 361 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: his clear fogginess, you know, his his senior moments or something. 362 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to make I don't want to make 363 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: fun of a president for being out of it in 364 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: this way. I really don't. I mean, but I do 365 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: have to point it out. I mean, we do have 366 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: to say this is absurd. I mean, they've put us 367 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: in an absurd situation where this guy clearly should not 368 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: be the presidents of the United States. But they didn't care. 369 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: They could make him president and they did, and that's 370 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: what they cared about. They weekended Bernie style, dragged him 371 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: across the finish line by using COVID as an excuse, 372 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: kept him in his basement. So that's Joe Biden trying 373 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: to explain us leaving Afghanistan. And by the way, one 374 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: of the most important things that decisions that was made 375 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: in the Obama White House was whether or not to 376 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: go get Osama bin Laden, which Joe Biden was opposed to. 377 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: He wants to take credit for it now, but he 378 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: was initially opposed to that idea. Now, this is one 379 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: of those moments where you have to remember the rap 380 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: on Joe Biden within foreign policy circles. And this was 381 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: true when I was in the government member. I was 382 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: in the CIA for a portion of the Obama administration. 383 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: I left pretty quickly, but the CIFA a portion of 384 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: the Obama administration and then for the Bush years before it, 385 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: and it was Joe Biden has been reliably wrong on 386 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: every foreign policy question of any importance for the last 387 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: forty years. That's what was said, I believe, by the 388 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: former Secretary of Defense and CI Director Gates. But it 389 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: really caught on because everyone said, yep, that's right. Every 390 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: time there was a big choice, go or don't go, 391 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: invade or hold back, surge or draw down, you could 392 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: count on good old Am tracked Joe to get it 393 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: the wrong way. Let's play cut eighteen, and then we're 394 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: going to talk more about Afghanistan. And we've got loaded 395 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: wine from people who served in Afghanistan. We want to 396 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: hear your stories as well. Here's cut eighteen. I strongly supported, 397 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: and you may remember I physically went to Afghanistan. We 398 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: went for two reasons. One two bring Osamamin Laden to 399 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: the gates of Hell, as I said at the time. 400 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: The second reason was to eliminate Al Qaeda's capacity to 401 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: deal with more attacks in the United States from that territory. 402 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: We accomplished both of those objectives. Period did we though, 403 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, you served in Afghanistan, what was it like 404 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: in your experience? What did you see while you were there? So, 405 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: as a as a CI officer in Afghanistan a decade ago, 406 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: it was clear to me, over the months I spent 407 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: in country that you had the repetition of the same 408 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: plan by each every time a new military element would 409 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: roll in, every time the new four star would take over, 410 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: there'd be a shift in command the because this was 411 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: a military matter. I mean, the CIA in these in 412 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: these capacities or in situations like Rock and Afghanistan is 413 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: really just trying to help and be an auxiliary with 414 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: intelligence to the military. Right, the Afghanistan was a military 415 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: fight and a military first. And so what was clear 416 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: to me was that as long as you had the 417 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: Pakistani sanctuary and as long as the desire of the 418 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: Americans to make this a self sustaining and stable enough 419 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: country greatly outweighed that of many of the Afghans themselves, 420 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: which unfortunately certainly seemed to be the case based on 421 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: the fighting that was being done. Who was willing to 422 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: fight when they're willing to even show up from the 423 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: Afghan national security forces, I mean, the the scope of 424 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: the problems, Clay, I mean, this is going to be 425 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: there will be volumes written on this for years to come. 426 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: There already have been a lot of books written on it. 427 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: But but when people look at the totality of our 428 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: twenty years in Afghanistan, the fundamental challenges and problems remained 429 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: the same, and they were actually the same for the Soviets, 430 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: they were the same for the British twice the British 431 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: wars in Afghanistan, and even for Alexander the Great. I mean, 432 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: you go back in history, this is an incredibly mountainous, 433 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: rugged and unconquerable basically are fiercely independent and unconquerable area 434 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: and develop mentally, when you look at just the what 435 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: when we showed up the level of road access and electricity, 436 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: and I mean when the Americans showed up two thousand 437 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: and one, this was going to be a multi generation project. 438 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: Unless the mission was just to defeat and kick al 439 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: Qaida out of the country, which that was accomplished, But 440 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: then the mission transformed into long terms to ability a 441 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: nation building. They said it wasn't going to be long 442 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: term stability a nation but I think that's exactly what happened. 443 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: And now what many of us have been saying all along, 444 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: which is is the moment that the US presence there 445 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: draws down, you're going to see a rapid adduration the 446 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: Taliban in the last ninety days. It's estimated has this 447 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: is in the Long War Journal, but I'm seeing other 448 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: analysts with similar estimates doubled the territory in Afghanistan under 449 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: its control in ninety days. So it's going yes, No, 450 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, Buck, do you agree that in 451 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: we spent twenty years there, within a year, it's going 452 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: to be almost like we had never been there at all. 453 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: As as long as yeah, I think that it's well, 454 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: there be there'll be some things you can point to. 455 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: It will will the military, the Afghan military be able 456 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: to hold out against this? You know, I think the 457 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: answer is probably no. And I think that what we'll 458 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: likely see is the Taliban sees a whole They're already 459 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: season territory, but the Taliban will take a period of 460 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: consolidation and maybe even agreed is some kind of power 461 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: sharing to calm the Western powers a little bit that 462 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, the NATO, the NATO allies that I've been 463 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: involved in Afghanistan, but We didn't lose on the battlefield. 464 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: We lost because of the strategy and the politicians at 465 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: home not knowing or being willing to say what was 466 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: really going on and what the real mission set was. 467 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: And this is why I do, you know, I want 468 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: to I was an analyst and I was trying to 469 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: help the military. We got a lot of people who 470 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: are military who are on the line right now, and 471 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: I feel like this is this is the best place 472 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: we can go. We'll take a couple and then we'll 473 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: come back in a moment. Hear more about what you think. 474 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: We got John in Virginia, who was stationed in Afghanistan 475 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: in twenty twelve. John, Welcome to Clay Travis and Buck 476 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: Sexton show. Thank you sir. Great to be here. Thank you. 477 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: I guess one big thing, one big observation that I 478 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: made while I was there was there's a large Chinese 479 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: presence there, but not the military, Harry Chinese presence like 480 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: you would think. It was more of an industrial Chinese 481 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: presence there. And it just I thought it was funny 482 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: with the two major exports in Afghanistan being opium and lithium, 483 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: As Afghanistan is one of the largest lithium deposits in 484 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: the world, So one can only draw an inference as 485 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: to what was actually going on there during the Obama 486 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: administration as that was, and so I think with the 487 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: current administration, it's probably and within our best interest to 488 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: just go ahead and pull out and let the Chinese 489 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: fight their own John, you think this is we want 490 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: to get it? You think this is the right move 491 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: pulling out under the current administration. I think so the 492 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: insurgency was just a small part of what was going 493 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: on there, just from my own observation, you know. And 494 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: this is just the observation of a soldier that was 495 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: actually on the ground in Mazerai sha Reef the Mez 496 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: but I made similar observations around Bogram as well on 497 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: the airfield, but those are the only two locations I 498 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: was present at. So well, John, thank you for your 499 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: service and thank you for sharing your perspective. We'll come 500 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: back and speak to more veterans of Afghanistan about what 501 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: they think of the situation as it's unfolding on the 502 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: ground there. But you know, Clay, I keep trying to 503 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: drill down to what really matters here. We're talking about 504 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: ways that people can save money. These days. One of 505 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: the easiest ones I can think of is by abandoning 506 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: their overpriced wireless carrier and switching to Pure Talk. I mean, 507 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: how much money can you say? 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Clay Travis and boxes Fundy eib Work. 535 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 536 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: Um Buck, here with Clay, we are taking calls from 537 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: combat veterans of Afghanistan about the pullout from Afghanistan and 538 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: the rapid addiation of that country into Taliban is Stan. 539 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: If you will, Taliban control happening in ways that are 540 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: even It's moving even faster than those who had a 541 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: pretty pessimistic view. Anticipated Mick in Boulder, Colorado. Welcome the show. Hey, 542 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: thanks so much so much to impack here. So essentially, 543 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: I look back at World War two and we had 544 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: what we called the two. The war that the two 545 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: victory at home and abroad, we had a clear, clear goal, 546 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: clear enemy about the country together. And here in Afghanistan 547 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: we went in with a goal. We knew what we 548 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: were going again, and a lot of people call paction. 549 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: They were ready to serve. It was very patriotic and 550 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: so we put a while these young guys, you know, 551 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: in harm's way for a cause. And I was in 552 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: there in two thousand and eight on my third tour 553 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: is when I went to Afghanistan, when when Obama signed 554 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: us in, and it was it was pretty rough at first, 555 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: but essentially the American people need to understand what this 556 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: war is. It's it's not a war, it's it's an occupation. Essentially, 557 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: this is a generational war, as you mentioned, and so 558 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: to fight it, we're not just going to come in, 559 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: take out an enemy and leave. It's kind of a 560 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: global issue. There's countries all over the world that want 561 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: to destroy us, and so that's something the American people 562 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: need to decide is how long do we want to 563 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: be there. It's going to take hundreds of years unless 564 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: we export liberalism and then they can destroy themselves from within. 565 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: So Mick is is the pull out the right move. 566 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: I actually would support it. Honestly. I look back at 567 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: the lives who lost, and I think that's such a travesty. 568 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: But what is it worth to just keep people there, 569 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: keep constant death, and what is it for? I mean, 570 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: I actually support pulling out. I appreciate everybody's service, and 571 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: I love hearing all these different perspectives. But this kind 572 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: of to me is it becomes the question of how 573 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: much of staying there is based on the fact that 574 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: you're already there. In other words, it's almost if you 575 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: take it outside of the world of it's like a 576 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 1: failed investment, right You already have spent so much money 577 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: and time and energy and effort. You hate to throw 578 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: in the towel and mention and be willing to acknowledge 579 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: that a lot of the time spent has not made sense. 580 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's a big part of anyone who 581 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: decides that they want to stay at this point. It's 582 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: that you hate to feel like the twenty years was 583 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: in vain, and the nearly trillion dollars and the loss 584 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: of life and all the serious injuries. But that's what 585 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: I come back to is whenever we leave, it's going 586 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: to basically return to the same status quo that existed 587 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: before we were there in the first place. And that's 588 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: why the Afghan people have been playing the long game. 589 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: The Taliban from the very beginning understood that we're not 590 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: going to be there for hundreds of years. This is 591 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: their homeland. They have the advantage of knowing that forever 592 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: they're going to be there. They saw it with the Soviets, 593 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: they saw it historically, like you mentioned, all the way 594 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: back to Alexander the Great. It's a proud people. They 595 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: may not be making the best decisions for their country, 596 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: but the people who are going to be making those 597 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: choices aren't going to leave. They've known that ever since 598 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: the United States came in the first time. It's also 599 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean to refer to it as a people. There's 600 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: a little bit and Mick, thank you so much for 601 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: your service, thanks for calling in, But it's it's really 602 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: multiple people's in the same place that a line was 603 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: drawn around on a map. I mean, what you really have, 604 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: the Taliban is a is a over whelmingly Pashtun tribal 605 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: affiliation organization. Right the Taliban is Pashtun, and you also 606 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: have other ethnic groups in the country. You have Tajiks, 607 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: you have Hazara, you have these different these different entities, 608 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: and they all are forced to live in this one 609 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: state where tribal allegiance, even down to the village level, 610 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: is much more important in many cases and much more 611 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: meaningful than the idea of a national government and with 612 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: people like Kmi Karzai in the past, which was thought 613 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: the Karzai family thought of as very it was very corrupt. 614 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: So we're trying to cobble all of this together. And 615 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: you mean, the history of Afghanistan, unfortunately has been brought 616 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: into so many of the different great power struggles, and 617 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: obviously for US the Soviets before, but now also it 618 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: was the first major front in the war against the 619 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: global jihad of al Qaeda. We want to take more 620 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: veteran calls coming up in the top of the next hour, 621 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: because we're gonna have Tucker Carlson joining us at around 622 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: two thirty five Eastern time. We're gonna Tuck Carlson joining 623 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: about the back half of the next hour to talk 624 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: about what's going on with the NSA targeting of him 625 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: at the allegation the NSA is targeting him, So we're 626 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: to come in if you want to call in as 627 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: a combat veteran, tell us, is this the right move? 628 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: How is Biden handling it? Maybe it wasn't a good 629 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: idea to withdraw during the fighting season, just putting that 630 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: out there. Probably could have timed this a little bit better, 631 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: right at the start of the fighting season or in 632 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: the middle of it. Eight hundred two eight two two 633 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: eight eight two eight hundred two eight two two eight 634 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: eight two. We'll come back. We'll talk more Afghanistan with veterans, 635 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 1: maybe discuss the situation Haiti. Anything else top of mind 636 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 1: for you, Clay, that you continued insanity of mask requirements anywhere, 637 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: but particularly with the new CDC regulations that have just 638 00:36:48,360 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: come out. Buck, I mean, it's insane. Stick around. You're 639 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the EIB Network.