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Speaker 2: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Krystal Deed.

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Speaker 1: We do a lot of very interesting stories breaking this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've got some big updates for you out of Hawaii

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Speaker 1: and a lot of residents very concerned about potential disaster capitalism.

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Speaker 1: I think those concerns are pretty justice shy, so we'll

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Speaker 1: break all of that down for you. And the death

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Speaker 1: how Americans feel about the latest Trump indictments. And also

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Speaker 1: floating some new names. It's all kind of hilarious results

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Speaker 3: Some of that for you.

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Speaker 1: Also, really dire economic numbers coming out of China. We

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Speaker 1: have some reports from there that we can break down

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Speaker 1: for you and see what is going on. And a

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Speaker 1: taking forever to be issued by the State Department. It's

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Speaker 1: really a mess people. I mean, you might think, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is a major issue and also speaks to broader

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Speaker 1: to any of that, though, Thank all of the premium

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Speaker 2: This is going to be an interesting you can you

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Speaker 2: can tease it. I think it's still happening. We're making sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Chris Matthews of former MSNBC fame is going

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Speaker 3: We have lots of questions for him.

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Speaker 1: We certainly did Gray sorrace questions Biden, how's Biden doing?

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Speaker 2: We'll be releasing that one a little bit separately because

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Speaker 2: I have a few questions about Chris's time.

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Speaker 1: I want to know if really thought that if Bertie

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just more curious. You know. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Hawaii, we have to return. Just absolutely

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Speaker 2: continuing devastating news out of Hawaii. President Biden clearly you're

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Speaker 2: Took five days to actually open his mouth about that,

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Speaker 2: What do you see there, Christal? I mean, one is reality.

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Speaker 1: It's I think pathetic that he had to be shamed

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Speaker 1: What happened is there were a lot of the local

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Speaker 2: Let's review the fact, shall we. The president took days

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Speaker 2: we don't see it, we are not seeing anyone here.

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Speaker 3: And look, it is paradise.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely gorgeous, spectacular there, and it's a beautiful thing

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Speaker 7: Take a listen, our power ranking show former President Trump

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Speaker 8: So here's what we have, Dana. He is far and

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Speaker 7: Hi, Dana Envil, that's right feeling right at home here

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Speaker 9: Well, the good news that were we continue to move up.

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Speaker 9: People, so foles don't vote, but people do somema spend

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Speaker 1: they want.

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Speaker 3: The Republican primary to be like. And it's kind of amazing.

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Speaker 1: I almost respect the just audacity of making this thing

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Speaker 1: up and then pretending that it's breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Well, when it pairs next, we're about to show people.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. They want on our trying to suck

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Speaker 2: up to Trump as much as humanly possible. And then

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Speaker 2: also because they want him to come to the debate,

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Speaker 2: they are desperate for him come to the Republican debate.

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't come to the debate, they're going to

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Speaker 2: look like idiots. It's obviously going to be a side show.

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Speaker 2: I'm already seeing two scenarios where Trump could either turn

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Speaker 2: himself in in Georgia, which would overshadow it completely, or

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Speaker 2: he just might do competing interviews. I saw a float

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Speaker 2: that apparently is in conversation with Tucker Carlson's team about

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Speaker 2: doing an interview, doing a media blitz at the time,

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Speaker 2: just to be like, yeah, I'm actually the center right here,

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Speaker 2: which you know, why shouldn't he did that during the

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Speaker 2: White House Correspondence Center.

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Speaker 1: I have to go to the Tim Scott thing because okay,

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Speaker 1: just so you know, I looked up the where he's

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Speaker 1: at in the national average two point six percent, Like

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Speaker 1: it's very obvious. Actually, I was gonna say the thing

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Speaker 1: that's most obvious. I mean, first of all, like they're

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Speaker 1: trying to put on a Tim Scott like trial balloon here.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I saw on.

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Speaker 1: CNN this morning when I was in the gym, they

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Speaker 1: had a similar like, oh, Iowa voters interested in Tim Scott.

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Speaker 3: So there's a whole media effort right now to try

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Speaker 3: to make Tim Scott. I think that's number one.

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Speaker 1: Number two They clearly hate Vivak because he is the

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Speaker 1: person who was actually coming up in the polls, has

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Speaker 1: some momentum.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about him? Not my cup of tea?

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Speaker 1: That's fine, you know, like we had good exchange here.

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Speaker 1: I hope he comes back. I hope we talk to

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Speaker 1: him more. But he clearly is the one moving up

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Speaker 1: in the polls and you know, challenging DeSantis in some

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Speaker 1: of these numbers, and they don't give him any.

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Speaker 3: Sort of grud.

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Speaker 1: They put up a graph later that had everybody's fundraising

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Speaker 1: and they made sure to put an asterisk in there

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Speaker 1: of like how much came from him, just to sort

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Speaker 1: of like undercut you know, the level of any way,

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott, this is the new thing that they're trying,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's going to work even less well

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Speaker 1: than the Rhonda Santis attempts.

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Speaker 2: To work here. Oh yeah, absolutely. And just to as

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Speaker 2: we alluded to, this is how much they're sucking up

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Speaker 2: to Trump. They're like playing up as if his big

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Speaker 2: Georgia reveal, where Trump promises on Monday he's did this time,

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Speaker 2: he's going to prove that the election was stolen. This

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Speaker 2: is how they covered it over at Fox. So this

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Speaker 2: one hundred.

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Speaker 10: Page report that's going to come out on Monday. The

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Speaker 10: former President's going to drop it out at Bedminster, which

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Speaker 10: is his golf resort just to the west of New

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Speaker 10: York City.

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Speaker 2: And the question is what's going to be in it.

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Speaker 10: Well, apparently it was in this according to The New

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Speaker 10: York Times this morning, compiled at least in part by

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Speaker 10: a woman by the name of Liz Harrington, and she

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Speaker 10: has been one of his communications staff members. And apparently

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Speaker 10: the document focuses on voting anomalies in the state of Georgia,

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Speaker 10: and Miss Harrington has been on x formerly known as

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Speaker 10: Twitter instead kind of given a preview. It said, Georgia

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Speaker 10: has been among the most corrupt elections in the country

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Speaker 10: and they haven't gotten any better since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: They've gotten worse.

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Speaker 11: Two in Monday, and he said on truth Social Donald Trump,

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Speaker 11: they never went after those that rigged the election. They

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Speaker 11: only went after those that fought to find the riggers.

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Speaker 11: And in this indictment in Georgia and all these indictments,

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Speaker 11: it allows him to have discovery. So his lawyers will

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Speaker 11: have discovery and we'll find out information. And I heard

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Speaker 11: this morning Brian, an attorney said he give us on

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Speaker 11: Fox and Frints first was saying, the best argument he

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Speaker 11: has is to tell the truth, and if he finds

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Speaker 11: out that something did happen in the election, then he

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Speaker 11: would have proof and then maybe he could exonerate himself

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Speaker 11: what he has.

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Speaker 2: We don't know.

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Speaker 11: We'll find out on Monday morning at eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 2: We'll find out on Monday morning at eleven o'clock. Actually,

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Speaker 2: you know what the funniest thing is report already out

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Speaker 2: this morning. Trump's lawyers are desperate for him not to

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Speaker 2: do that. They'll really complicate your legal troubles if you

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Speaker 2: continue to go down this road, and they want him

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Speaker 2: to cancel any very maleway he very well made. So

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Speaker 2: it's just funny to see the way that it's I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's hilarious that they're like credulously like, oh maybe now

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Speaker 1: we're going.

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Speaker 3: To get the big revealing.

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Speaker 2: It only took three years.

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Speaker 3: Pump this thing up.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it shows you that they just don't know

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Speaker 1: where to land with this because they know they want

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Speaker 1: him at the debate desperately, which I don't think is

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Speaker 1: going to happen. They want to obviously keep their audience,

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Speaker 1: which is very overwhelmingly pro Trump, and yet they really

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Speaker 1: don't want him.

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Speaker 2: To be the guy.

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Speaker 1: So they're also trying to flirt with DeSantis, flirt with

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott, flirt with whoever might have a shot at

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Speaker 1: defeeding him.

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Speaker 3: But guess what, guys, it ain't happening.

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Speaker 2: Not going to work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we've got some polls, as I alluded

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Speaker 1: to you before, about how people feel about this latest charges.

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up on the screen. This

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Speaker 1: is from the AP recent poll that they did you

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Speaker 1: approve the Justice Department indicting Trump over his efforts to

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Speaker 1: remain in office after losing the twenty twenty election. Yes,

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Speaker 1: fifty three percent, No, forty seven percent. Will not surprise

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Speaker 1: you to learn that there is a major partisan breakdown

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Speaker 1: on this question. Let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: So Democrats eighty five percent approve of the criminal charges

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Speaker 1: brought specifically by Special Counsel Jacksmith. So this isn't the

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Speaker 1: Fulton County one. These are specifically asking about Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: independence forty seven percent, so they're split pretty evenly and

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Speaker 1: Republicans at sixteen percent, so really wide obviously partisan divide

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Speaker 1: in terms of how people feel about all of this.

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Speaker 1: But the other question that I have is, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: we talk a lot here about the challenges for Biden

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Speaker 1: and how people feel like he's too old and they're

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Speaker 1: not happy with the economy and all kinds of issues there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Republicans may well be nominating the one

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Speaker 1: dude who is almost definitely going to lose.

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Speaker 3: To Joe Biden. Put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: You've got recent poll that this is from.

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Speaker 3: This is from the AP as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you want former President Trump to run again in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four? Yes, sixty three percent. This is from

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Speaker 1: among Republicans. Back in April twenty two, it was only

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Speaker 1: fifty five percent. So for Republicans, they are overwhelmingly in

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Speaker 1: favor of Trump running again in twenty twenty four. But

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Speaker 1: the next one up on the screen, would you support

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the twenty twenty four election? Now this

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Speaker 1: is for everybody, not just Republicans. So looking ahead to

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Speaker 1: that general election, what kind of a shot does he have.

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Speaker 1: You've already got a majority of the American people fifty

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Speaker 1: three percent who say they will definitely one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: not support Donald Trump. You've got another eleven percent that

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Speaker 1: say they probably won't support Trump, and then you've got

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Speaker 1: thirty six percent who say yes. Now, listen, the way

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Speaker 1: that this could go down is he doesn't If you've

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Speaker 1: got a few third party candidates in there, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to get to fifty percent in order to win.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way that he pulled it off

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Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen. So you know, the fact that

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Speaker 1: you've got a majority who are against him doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: mean that he would be unable to pull it off.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I have to think that the fact

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Speaker 1: that this whole election cycle is going to be relitigating

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty stop steal. You know, he's already going out

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Speaker 1: there and want to do press conferences all about this,

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Speaker 1: leaning into all of this was going to be all

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Speaker 1: the coverages about people hate this part of him, Like

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Speaker 1: majority of people hate this part of him outside of

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. He may well be facing prison time

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Speaker 1: by the time that the election rolls around. I do

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Speaker 1: think this is a very tough hand for Republicans to overcome.

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Speaker 2: I just don't ever know. I mean, it's one poll, right,

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Speaker 2: we can say that, you never know. It's one of

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Speaker 2: those where he did win reelection. He did win an

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Speaker 2: election twenty sixteen a thirty percent approval rating. There is

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Speaker 2: the quote unquote silent Trump voter phenomenon. Some people will

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Speaker 2: say that they're not going to vote for him, and

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Speaker 2: then secretly they will vote for him. It's also a

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Speaker 2: year at more than a year out, you know, before

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Speaker 2: the election. Is all kinds of mitigating factors. But would

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Speaker 2: I rather would I want to be in this position? No,

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Speaker 2: but I'm not yet willing to count him out at

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Speaker 2: the same time, like, I just am not sure though,

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Speaker 2: And as you said too, I mean Hillary won what

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Speaker 2: almost fifty two percent I think of the popular vote

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Speaker 2: something around there. It wasn't actually all that close whenever

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Speaker 2: you look at it. But you know, if you win

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Speaker 2: in the right states, it all came down to thirty

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Speaker 2: forty thousand votes last time, across three states. All you

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Speaker 2: have to do is switch a few more this time.

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Speaker 2: Some people don't come out to vote, some people vote

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Speaker 2: third party, you can pretty easily win. I mean Bill

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Speaker 2: Clinton won the presidency in two and sorry nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: two with like forty three percent of the popular vote,

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Speaker 2: and that's not that far off from where Trump is, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm really conflicted.

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Speaker 1: I go back and forth on this because also you know,

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Speaker 1: it is the case that looking at the national head

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Speaker 1: to head polls between him and Biden, he has never

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Speaker 1: at this point in twenty sixteen or twenty twenty was

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Speaker 1: nowhere close to as strong as his numbers are right now, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean if you look at the head to head numbers,

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Speaker 1: and I think that might be also why you get

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a different picture in this pool,

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Speaker 1: because they're just asking me about how do you feel

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Speaker 1: about Trump basically, and when you just ask about Trump, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got a majority of people who were like, no,

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Speaker 1: not doing it again. But when you're like all right,

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Speaker 1: but you're alterative as Joe Biden, then suddenly ends up

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Speaker 1: really close, which is utterly pathetic that, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Democrats have are tied with a dude who is you know,

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Speaker 1: facing like ninety one charges and potential prison time ahead

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Speaker 1: of the election, and yet we still have this state

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Speaker 1: of affairs where it is very it is impossible to

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Speaker 1: say exactly what's going to happen. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: do think for Republicans who want to win, I do

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Speaker 1: think that they would likely have a much better shot

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Speaker 1: with a candidate who you know, didn't have ninety one

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Speaker 1: charges and multiple indictments across multiple.

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Speaker 2: Stories on that. I don't think it's deniable. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: you know, it looks like we're going to go into this.

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Speaker 2: So is it going to work? I saw it. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of triumphant you know, people have been like, oh,

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Speaker 2: well this you know, Trump definitely can't win. There's just

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Speaker 2: no way. I'm like, how many times we all have

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Speaker 2: to learned this lesson?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like I've seen old Donnie wriggle himself out of many situations.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is it. Okay, it's possible, but I've seen

655
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Speaker 2: enough where until it happens, I'm just really not ready.

656
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Speaker 3: To say a wild situation.

657
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Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next one. With China, some

658
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Speaker 2: really interesting signs. Got to give credit to Peter Zihon,

659
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Speaker 2: who actually has long been talking about some of the

660
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Speaker 2: strategic weaknesses inside of the Chinese economy, and we're beginning

661
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Speaker 2: to see some things come through, even with their official

662
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: data which does not look good for them post COVID.

663
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Speaker 2: Let's gohead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This was just the first indication very reminiscent of the

665
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Speaker 2: evergrand situation if we'll all recall from a year or

666
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Speaker 2: so ago where one of the biggest shadow banks inside

667
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: of China has missed dozens of payments. Many of their

668
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: products have they missed payments have grown to dozens of

669
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Speaker 2: other entities. They have no current repayment schedule, and investors

670
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Speaker 2: inside of China are freaking out. It turns out that

671
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Speaker 2: there was all kinds of corruption that was going on inside.

672
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: They've told their investors that the firm and we missing

673
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Speaker 2: payments on batches of products on August eighth, adding to

674
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Speaker 2: delays to multiple others. This is leading to what they

675
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Speaker 2: say is quote a number of products. The company is

676
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Speaker 2: now facing quote a tsunami of questions from their own investors'

677
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Speaker 2: wealth managers. This is about billions of dollars of capital

678
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Speaker 2: inside of China that touches all sorts of personal and

679
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Speaker 2: industrial different vestments. This is seen also Crystal on a

680
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Speaker 2: bigger macro scale. Let's put this up there. There's actually

681
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: got a decent chart that everybody can see. This is

682
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: the Chinese stocks are actually slumping because economic gloom inside

683
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Speaker 2: of the country is really spreading. They had a bump

684
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Speaker 2: in January twenty twenty three. As you can see right

685
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Speaker 2: there up to fifteen percent. That was largely reopening after

686
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: their zero covid idiocy. But things are all beginning to

687
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 2: trend down, very much so in the last couple of months.

688
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Speaker 2: And actually the fascinating thing was a new acknowledgment. Actually,

689
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Speaker 2: and this is the closest you'll ever get from Chinese leaders.

690
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Speaker 2: They say, quote, there are new difficulties and challenges whenever

691
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Speaker 2: it comes to China's economy. That was from the actual

692
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Speaker 2: readout of the latest pull Up Bureau meeting just three

693
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Speaker 2: weeks ago. And inside all that people are pointing to

694
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Speaker 2: is the index of Chinese talks straight in Hong Kong

695
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: down nine percent of the month. The benchmark for stocks

696
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: that trade in Hong Kong is down a similar mouth.

697
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Speaker 2: Amongst the actual members, the Chinese real estate firm is

698
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Speaker 2: lose half of its value. That's Country Gardens, one of

699
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Speaker 2: the biggest companies inside of China. The actual stock index

700
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Speaker 2: for Shanghai and chen Jen is down by five percent.

701
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Speaker 2: All of this is indicating that even the real data

702
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Speaker 2: that they can't spin, which let's be real, it's one

703
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: of the most opaque countries on planet Earth in terms

704
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Speaker 2: of the giant economies, you never know whether you're being

705
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Speaker 2: lied to or not. That no indications are good. Also,

706
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: if you think our real estate market is bad, home

707
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: prices have fallen in forty nine out of seventy of

708
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Speaker 2: the major cities in all of China. The thing is

709
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Speaker 2: is that this really came through to me from the

710
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal piece that we'll put up here. It

711
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Speaker 2: was an op ed, but I actually thought it was

712
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Speaker 2: really interesting. Is that the economic and the social contract

713
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: is really fraying. We pointed to this in the Evergrand Situation.

714
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Speaker 2: One of the biggest you know, the deal with the

715
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Speaker 2: with the CCP inside of China is they're like, listen,

716
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Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna put you under surveillance, you're gonna

717
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: have facial recognition, all of that. We're gonna do what

718
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: we do our party bosses and everybody. Everybody's gonna get

719
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 2: filthy rich, but we're going to get rich too, So

720
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Speaker 2: don't worry about it. And that mostly worked. You know,

721
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: there are no more chaos, no more cultural revolution. We're

722
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Speaker 2: working through this. Everything's great. It worked in the eighties,

723
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: worked in the nineties, worked all the way to the

724
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Speaker 2: twenty tens. But now that social contractor is really beginning

725
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: to fall apart, largely actually because of housing, which is

726
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: a populist issue over there too, where a lot of

727
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 2: people are unable in order to keep up with housing

728
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Speaker 2: market or seeing their home equity go down. Then at

729
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Speaker 2: the same time, you could put their social problems in

730
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Speaker 2: terms of the male female mismatch. You put it together

731
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: an unemployment rate there which seems very high. Nobody knows

732
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Speaker 2: really exactly what the actual number is. There's enough social

733
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: strife that this is causing real problems inside the Chinese economy.

734
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Speaker 2: So another kind of tick I think in some of

735
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Speaker 2: Peter's Iion's analysis over the last couple of years on

736
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Speaker 2: where China could be headed.

737
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought this was really revealing.

738
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Speaker 1: Youth unemployment just hit, according to their numbers, a record

739
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Speaker 1: high of twenty one point three percent disaster.

740
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Speaker 3: Which is a disaster.

741
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Speaker 1: And the response was we're just not going to rule

742
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: the data anymore from the Chinese government that are like,

743
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: you know enough about that, you don't need to know

744
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: any more about that. So I think that's an indication

745
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: whether twenty one point three percent is the accurate number

746
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: or not. I think it's an indication that you know

747
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: obviously things are really dire, and when you have a

748
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: young population that isn't participating in the new prosperity of

749
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: the country and has long had, you know, similar issues

750
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Speaker 1: to what young people here are facing, which is over

751
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: the past number of years, they have really propped up

752
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: the real estate market and made it so that prices

753
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: were ever escalating, ever escalating, ever escalating, which obviously, if

754
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: you're already a homeowner, that's great for you. Your value

755
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: of your assets is going up and up and up.

756
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Speaker 1: If you're someone who hasn't yet been able to buy

757
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Speaker 1: into the market, this looks like a complete disaster and

758
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 1: so big picture what has happened in China was listening

759
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: to Martin Wolf of the Financial Times give some of

760
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: this analysis. You know, Initially, the just astronomical growth that

761
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Speaker 1: they experienced there was obviously led by exports there, you know,

762
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Speaker 1: building out their manufacturing base and all of the factories

763
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Speaker 1: that are they're famous for that created this incredible growth.

764
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Speaker 1: As that starts to wane and they sort of like,

765
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Speaker 1: what as far with that as possible, then they invested

766
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Speaker 1: massively infrastructure, huge spending there, which also continued to you know,

767
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Speaker 1: build out the economy.

768
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Speaker 3: And once they.

769
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Speaker 1: Took that effectively as far as they could. Then the

770
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Speaker 1: next piece was building up what is effectively now this

771
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: gigantic real estate bubble. And so when we were covering

772
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: Evergrand and also when we're covering Country Garden effectively, they realized, Okay,

773
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: this is unsustainable. We can't just continue in this direction forever,

774
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: and we are pricing out so much of our population

775
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: were ever becoming homeowners. So they started to try to

776
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: let the air out of that market, and they you know,

777
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: they've been doing it, but obviously is kind of coming

778
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: crashing down. They had a good line in that Wall

779
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 1: Street Journal up at as well that described the housing situation.

780
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: They said, ever since, you know, ever since they started

781
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: propping up this market, housing has functioned for many families

782
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: as a combination of retirement plan, insurance policy in stock portfolio.

783
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: Endlessly rising housing prices and wealth have been a headache

784
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: for young buyers and a driver of indebtedness, but also

785
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: helped paper over gaps in the social safety net for

786
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: middle aged savers. There's another piece of this as well,

787
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: which is obviously, you know, they had massive COVID lockdowns

788
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: that was really devastating.

789
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 3: For the economy. So the expectation was when they.

790
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Opened back up that they would restart this huge growth,

791
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Speaker 1: and that's just the opposite of what we've seen. They're

792
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: actually in danger of slipping into a deflationary cycle because

793
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: residents there, our consumers are worried about the future, worried

794
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: about the economic future, worried about their finances, so they

795
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: are saving, they're not spending money, and so where we've

796
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: had massive inflation, which is starting to come under control,

797
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: they're actually worried about the opposite impact, which is potential deflation,

798
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: which can be really devastating. Now, the big question is

799
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: is this a blip. China's obituary has been written many

800
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: times in the past, so let's be really clear about that.

801
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: This could be a blip. They could It's very hard

802
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: to tell exactly what's going on there. They could move

803
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: forward and get back to you know, they're never going

804
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: to get back to like ten percent GDP growth, but

805
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: get back to some level of you know, significant sustainable growth,

806
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: or this could be you know, the start of a

807
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: different trajectory that's very difficult for them to pull themselves

808
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: out of.

809
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: There's also an alternative explanation, which is they have they

810
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: have it's like a time of choosing inside of China

811
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: because the US, at least the US, much of the

812
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: Anglo sphere, the UK, Australia have decided like, look, we're

813
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: not going to necessarily economically decouple with China, but we're

814
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: going to try to do our best. I don't think

815
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: we've done even close to enough, but it is starting

816
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 2: to make its effect. Net exports and all that have

817
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 2: decided to drop out of China overall to the West,

818
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 2: which is hurting their economy. A lot of their economy

819
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: was built effectively on exporting to the countries which they directly,

820
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily at war with, but you know,

821
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: they use that rhetoric with those people. They see them

822
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: as direct challengers. The thing is is that and the

823
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Speaker 2: reason why I'm not yet willing to count them out entirely.

824
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: They've got they have got what we don't have. They

825
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: have hard assets, so outside of oil, which they do

826
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: have is still dramatically important. They've got an industrial workforce,

827
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Speaker 2: they've got actual factories, they've got real stuff that comes

828
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: out of their ground that they make stuff with that

829
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: they supply to the rest of the world. And as

830
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: we found out, which with Russia. Yeah, a financialized economy

831
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: and all that. You can take the hit like they're

832
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: having problems right now with their central bank, but they

833
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: can still produce weapons, they can still produce stuff. We

834
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: don't really produce stuff. So they have some structural advantages

835
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: on their side just inherently by being a more recently

836
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: industrialized economy then we do because we are much more

837
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: of a service and a financialized economy than China. So

838
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm not yet ready to count them out, but i

839
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: do think that some of the structural things that Zihon

840
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,919
Speaker 2: talked about on our show and has been talking about

841
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 2: and pointing there for a long time, which is very

842
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: counter to the narrative that you will often hear about China,

843
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: a lot of that is being vindicated, I think in

844
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 2: recent months. His population thesis is absolutely correct, and now

845
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: here on the economics, it's very clear that Look, I

846
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: don't know if China's going to collapse like he says,

847
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: but if they have problems that can still lead to

848
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: I've talked to here about the how brands essay around China,

849
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 2: where one of the things is that a state when

850
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: it's on its way down and it sees that it

851
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: near is its apex of its power. That's actually when

852
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: it becomes the most dangerous, because that's when they're like, okay, well,

853
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: now if we're going to move, we have to move

854
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: now when we have the most advantage kind of our

855
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: on our side. You can think of Japan striking at

856
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: the United States at Pearl Harbord. You're like, look, we've

857
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: only got eighteen months before we can We're going to

858
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: run out of oil. We should strike them now so

859
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Speaker 2: they can't strike us later. And on the future you

860
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: can see very much how that type of calculus also

861
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: could come in. So it's not necessarily good news, you know,

862
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: if you're hoping for peace and security around the globe.

863
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean globe like economic turmoil is usually not

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Speaker 1: good news. Yes, fact for global peace and prosperity. There's

865
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Speaker 1: a lot more we can say about this, and we'll

866
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Speaker 1: continue to look at it in the future. But the

867
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Speaker 1: other the last thing I would say is even if

868
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Speaker 1: China doesn't continue to grow with the pace that has,

869
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 1: even if this truly is like an economic turning point

870
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: for them, which again is really up in the air,

871
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: whether this is a blip or this is a longer

872
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: term trend. I think the movement towards a multipolar world

873
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: is going to continue a pace because you're still going

874
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: to have you know, a huge power center in Asia,

875
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: not just with China but with other Asian nations. India

876
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: is overtaking China in terms of population. There's huge, yeah,

877
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: huge growth there and huge possibility for them that has

878
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: not been exhausted yet. And you've got you know, prime

879
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: minister who is very determined to increase their industrial capacity.

880
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 3: So there's a lot there as well.

881
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: Obviously, you know, you have Russia doing whatever Russia is

882
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: doing and forming this new alliance. You already see the

883
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: makings of a multipolar world. And I don't think whatever

884
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: happens with China and their future economic growth, I don't

885
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: think there's any to putting that toothpaste.

886
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: Back then, no question at all. All right, let's go

887
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: on to passport. Everyone should get a passport if we're

888
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: going to be living in a multipolar world, because it

889
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: means we've got to go understand what the hell else

890
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: is going on now. The problem is it's nearly impossible

891
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: to get a passport right now. Let's go and put

892
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. It turns out while

893
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: our government is shipping billions of dollars to Ukraine, and

894
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: our Secretary of State is always worried about what social

895
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: issues and all this that the very basics of his

896
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: job of not working very well. There is a massive

897
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: backlog of passport applications quote, creating summer travel nightmares for

898
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: Americans who are finding getting a new passport or renewing

899
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: an expired one is taking months on end, forcing them

900
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: now into panicked races against planned travel dates and an

901
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: often bewildering bureaucratic maze. The thing is is that this

902
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: is a bipartisan issue. Senators and congressmen are sounding the

903
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 2: alarm because they are getting bombarded with constituent complaints of

904
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 2: I can't get a goddamn passport. And it's amazing because

905
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: the State department current guidance right now is that you

906
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 2: should apply for a renewed passport for nine to twelve

907
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 2: weeks ahead of your travel date. That is four months

908
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: of the processing time. It used to be that routine

909
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: was six to eight weeks for renewing your passport. The

910
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: crazy thing is is that it used to be six

911
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: to eight weeks. They haven't been able to fulfill that deadline,

912
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: so people who were promised or passworts not getting their

913
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: passports and are now they're like, oh no, no, it's going

914
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: to take weeks and weeks and more, and we have

915
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: no update for you. If you have the privilege to

916
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: pay like two hundred dollars or whatever for expedited service,

917
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: well even that is now returned to what the original

918
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: promise was. So it's outrageously expensive in order to get

919
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: a passport. I remember I had to get I had

920
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 2: a passport nightmare situation too. I got really lucky because

921
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: it was before the big surge. I was able to

922
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: get one of those emergency appointments here in Washington, d C.

923
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: It coust like two hundred fifty dollars, And I remember

924
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: thinking about that but being like, wait, if you have

925
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: a family of four or a family of five, that's

926
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: like a thousand bucks. Don't get your path. That's not

927
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: like a plane ticket.

928
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 3: That's a lot overseas right there.

929
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I wish it was a plane ticket overseas or

930
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: really nowadays I've been overseas for a while to overseas

931
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 2: plane ticket, Yeah, I three thousand if you're going to

932
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: Asia like I was. The thing is is that when

933
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: you think about it. One of the most basic functions

934
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 2: here of government is just breaking down and a touch

935
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: point where millions of Americans are finding themselves fed up.

936
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: That is actually where states begin to lose the population.

937
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: It's not always some of the big stuff that we

938
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: talk about here. It's like, you know, getting a driver's

939
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: license for now always a pain in the ass, but

940
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: usually you can get it, you know, in a semi

941
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: routine fashion. The same the thing is with the passport

942
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 2: is like when it breaks down like that, yeah, and

943
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: millions of people have to cancel their plans. That is

944
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: when people really start to understand like the state functions

945
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: at a most basic level, when those are going away,

946
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: That's what declining states look like. And you know, I'm

947
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: not exaggerating. Put this up there. This is from just

948
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago that other media organizations are talking about.

949
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: Cancel trips with no refunds. Passport delays are derailing travelers.

950
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: You know, people are out thousands of dollars on these

951
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: trips because they are not able to get their passport

952
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: in time. It's not like the airline is going to

953
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 2: give you a good excuse for that one. They're like, oh, yeah,

954
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: we got you Also, millions of people were locked inside

955
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: for years. That's part of the reason why travel prices

956
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: are so high because people put off travel and a

957
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: lot of people didn't renew their passport then at the time.

958
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: So we have a record amount of Americans, which I

959
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: think is great, who do want to travel and want

960
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: to get out of the country and are unable to.

961
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 2: We've got some twenty two million passports that were issued

962
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: last year. That's a record high. Twenty four million right

963
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 2: now that are currently going through the State Department says

964
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: it's getting about four hundred thousand applications a week from

965
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: Americans in order to renew their passport. But the fact

966
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: that they're unable to keep up with it just shows

967
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: you that like those again, the basic functions of government

968
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: are just falling apart. It's like the FAA, and it's

969
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 2: like others, and for some reason it's not getting the

970
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: attention that it really deserves.

971
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: Well, no one should be surprised when we've had forty

972
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: years of both parties attacking government and stripping government capacity.

973
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: I mean, this has been the ideology since Ronald Reagan.

974
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, after forty years, things are going to fall apart.

975
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: Just to give you a sense of I know, this

976
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: can seem like a first world problem, and in some

977
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: ways it is right by having the luxury and the.

978
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: Ability to travel overseas.

979
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: But in that piece from NPR, they talked to this woman,

980
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: Dakota Hendrix, from Virginia Beach, Virginia. She says she did

981
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 1: everything right in order to try to visit her husband,

982
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: who's deployed overseas this summer. This is like her only

983
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: opportunity to see him. She fought an application for a

984
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: new passport months in advance, paid for expedited processing to

985
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: make sure, she spent hours on the phone with the

986
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: passport hotline, sought help from her local congressman. Four months later,

987
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: she had no choice but to miss her flight.

988
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 3: She told NPR.

989
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: I applied for this with enough cushion room for there

990
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: to be delays, but that didn't matter. So she was

991
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: unable to make that trip to go see her husband

992
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: who has deployed overseas.

993
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of heartbreak.

994
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: That comes along with this, not to mention just the

995
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: sign of a government that's falling apart. There was this

996
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: line in the you know, the initial report that we

997
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: had up on the screen from Senator Mark Warner who

998
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: was blaming hiring freezes during the Trump administration for helping

999
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: to create this situation. And I sort of assumed that

1000
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: was probably cope from Democrats, but I actually looked into it,

1001
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: and there is something to this. So Trump had this,

1002
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like vendetta against the State Department.

1003
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: This is where Hillary Clinton was part of the deep state,

1004
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera.

1005
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: And so you not only had the pandemic.

1006
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: Which led to all sorts of issues, led to this

1007
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: huge backlog, led to this huge surge, record breaking numbers

1008
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: of Americans who wanted to be able to get passports,

1009
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: you also had under Trump a six month, sixteen month

1010
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: hiring freeze that, according to Government Executive Magazine, which is

1011
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: the thing that I was reading to try to get

1012
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: information on this, told its Inspector General in twenty nineteen

1013
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: that it created critical understaffing for passport services. In twenty seventeen,

1014
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: you're going to love this, ac or you're going to

1015
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: enjoy this. In twenty seventeen, when passport applications started to spike,

1016
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: the State Department implemented a number of resiliency initiatives to

1017
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: help workers deal with the added strain including management meet and.

1018
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: Greets and casual dress dates.

1019
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: Officials also deployed Passport Pete, a stuffed porcupine mascot, to

1020
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: regional offices for photo opportunities and activities. Unfortunately, those efforts

1021
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: failed to reverse the workforce trend, so staffing was sort

1022
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: of stripped down during the Trump years. Then they had

1023
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: this huge surge post pandemic of Americans wanting to get passports,

1024
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: record breaking numbers. They've been trying to staff up, but

1025
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, they have.

1026
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: It's everally got it again.

1027
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: I just sawsport Pete couldn't rescue them.

1028
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: I just saw a guy yesterday, so he had to

1029
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: wait two and a half hours to process customs at

1030
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: Dollar two and a half hours because the TSA had

1031
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: like two passport boots or whatever that was open. I

1032
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: had the same thing. I landed in JFK. I think

1033
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: it took me an hour and forty five minutes in

1034
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: order to clear customs. I mean, it's just ridiculu. And

1035
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: there was only what three planes or whatever at the

1036
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: tarmac LANDA at like six am in the morning, maybe

1037
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: seven hundred people. I've moved through lines like that years ago.

1038
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: You'll get through them in five ten minutes something like that.

1039
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 2: This is it's just over and over again. You're seeing complete,

1040
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: like breakdowns of the most basic government functions whenever it

1041
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: comes to travel. And like you said, it can sound

1042
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: like a first world problem, but you know a lot

1043
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: of middle class people, I mean, I grew up in Texas.

1044
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 2: You don't want to have to be rich to go

1045
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 2: to Mexico you need a passport. Or people who are

1046
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: from New York, I mean they're going to Canada all

1047
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: the time, or you know, if you like you said,

1048
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: it's like you got this woman whose husband is deployed overseas.

1049
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: He apparently the way a schedule works only at one

1050
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: break that was the only time in order. Again, that's terrible,

1051
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: It's just terrible. And there's a lot of let me

1052
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: tell you, one of the biggest, one of the worst

1053
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: places on earth that you want to go to as an

1054
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: emergency passport center. Everybody there is weeping because everybody there

1055
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: basically the only way to get one of those is

1056
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: you've got a dead relative. It's really sad. People are

1057
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: weeping there, like, oh, I've been trying to get my

1058
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: passport my you know, Grandma just died in Africa or whatever.

1059
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: I gotta get this back. I gotta get on a

1060
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: plane like tomorrow. I need this thing right now. It's this,

1061
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: It's real life. Here is actually affecting people, and these

1062
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: you know, I just can't get away from what it

1063
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: really shows about the government right now.

1064
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean these are things like I know,

1065
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: it's easy to just deride, like arm A bureacratser. It

1066
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: feels like it doesn't really impact your life. But this

1067
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: is a place where it really matters to have enough

1068
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: skilled professionals in place and a system in place, and

1069
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: to take it seriously to be able to deliver on

1070
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: basic services for the American people. All Right, we have

1071
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: an update for you on the story we brought you

1072
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: earlier this week. Wild story about a local Kansas newspaper

1073
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: that was rated by the entirety of the local police

1074
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: department over some weird beef of a local restaurant owner

1075
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: who thought and accused them of getting her DUI record

1076
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: under suspicious or illegal circumstances. Normally, there are First Amendment

1077
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: protections for journalists that require if you're going to subpoena materials,

1078
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: you subpoena specific materials not this broad search and seizure,

1079
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: which is exactly what they did, taking computers, taking cell phones,

1080
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: even rating the owner of the newspaper's house. One of

1081
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: the elderly co owners died days later out of the stress.

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Speaker 1: A crazy, crazy story. Okay, we have an update for you.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up on the screen. So the prosecutor

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Speaker 1: in this small town Marion County has now withdrawn the

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Speaker 1: search warrant that was executed at that small town Kansas

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Speaker 1: newspaper that police raided on Friday, the paper's lawyer said

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, which the Kansas Bureau of Investigation soon confirmed.

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Speaker 1: All electronic devices seized by police will be returned to

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Speaker 1: the Marion County Record, said Bernie Roads. He's a Kansas

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Speaker 1: City based attorney that is representing the Kansas City Star

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Speaker 1: and also represents the Marion County Record. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: quote up on the screen. So this lawyer said, we

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Speaker 1: have stopped the hemorrhaging, but it does nothing about taking

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Speaker 1: care of the damage that has already occurred from the

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Speaker 1: violation of the First Amendment in the first place. The

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Speaker 1: KBI investigation, this Kansas Bureau of Investigations, remains open, but

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Speaker 1: the probe will proceed without review or examination of any

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Speaker 1: of the evidence that was seized Friday, that they will

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Speaker 1: present their findings the prosecutor once the investigation is complete.

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Speaker 1: In a statement, Marion County Attorney Joel Enzi said he

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00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: concluded that insufficient evidence existed to establish a legally sufficient

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Speaker 1: nexus between this alleged crime and the places searched and

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Speaker 1: the item ceased.

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Speaker 3: So there's two pieces here. First of all, you've got

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Speaker 3: this beef with this.

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Speaker 1: Local, well politically connected restaurant owner. Then it came out

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Speaker 1: that the police chief who was involved directly in this search,

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Speaker 1: he was under investigation by the newspaper for the circumstances

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Speaker 1: surrounding his departure from a different police department, apparently amid

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Speaker 1: some issues with sexual improprieties, so very convenient for him

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00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: that he could to seize all the materials of their

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Speaker 1: investigation into him as well. But now we have another

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Speaker 1: layer here that I was just reading about zaar. So

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Speaker 1: one of the questions was this local judge who signed

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Speaker 1: off on this thing, which many experts are saying was

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Speaker 1: completely illegal, this search warrant to start with. So this judge,

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Speaker 1: Laura Vr, she had her own multiple duys which were

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00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: apparently completely covered up and swept under the rug. Me

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Speaker 1: read you from the news report. The first arrest in

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Speaker 1: Coffee County, about an hour and fifteen minutes southeast of.

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Speaker 3: Her home, hasn't been reported.

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Speaker 1: The second came amid an unopposed reelection bid for Morris

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Speaker 1: County Attorney. She wasn't supposed to be driving at all

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Speaker 1: because her driver's license was suspended in that county. She

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Speaker 1: reportedly drove off road and crashed into a school building

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Speaker 1: next to a high school football field while driving then

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Speaker 1: eighth District Magistrate judges Thomas Ball is his name, his vehicle,

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Speaker 1: so she was driving a judge's vehicle, drunk, not supposed

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Speaker 1: to be driving at all, and crashed into a school building.

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Speaker 1: None of this came out, and they have no record

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Speaker 1: actually of there even being any sort of like case involved.

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Speaker 1: It looks like it was just completely swept under the

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Speaker 1: rug by this local cabal of whatever is going on there.

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Speaker 1: She'd never sanctioned by the state's Attorney Discipline Board one

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Speaker 1: reelection multiple times as a Republican candid from Worris County

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Speaker 1: attorney because the public had no idea what was going on,

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Speaker 1: and she is by the way up for a retention

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Speaker 1: vote during the twenty twenty four general election, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see if the people take a very different view of

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Speaker 1: what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: This is as good as it gets for the whole

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Speaker 2: small town corruption Cop four story. It's almost, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I can't even well.

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Speaker 1: The fact that she had DUIs too is like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's why you were sympathetic to this lady whose duys

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Speaker 1: are being made.

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Speaker 2: Public, and just the seizure of all of them. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad it actually captured the nation's attention. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we saw a tremendous amount of interest in it as well,

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Speaker 2: and I think that people will just understand like this

1151
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: is just so fundamentally corrupt and unfair. So glad to

1152
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: see some of it rectified, and we'll continue to get

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Speaker 2: the details out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Sacher. We were looking at.

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Speaker 2: Well doing this job for a while now. I've lived

1156
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: through some pretty dumb content moderation policies. We started rising

1157
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: in the height of the era of YouTube demonetization, where

1158
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: for some reason or another never could quite figure out

1159
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: why certainly videos are simply deemed not suitable for advertisers.

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Speaker 2: Usually they have the title Epstein in them. On the

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Speaker 2: one hand, I do get it. On the other, as

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00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: I've told them directly, you're kind of incentivizing people who

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Speaker 2: do cover the news to not cover controversial topics. Luckily,

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Speaker 2: for us, we have a premium subscription program, but many

1165
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: people are not so lucky. Little did I know, though,

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Speaker 2: at the time, that worrying about whether Epstein videos are

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Speaker 2: getting demonetized is the least of our problems, especially when

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Speaker 2: COVID began to hit all of a sudden, We're in

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Speaker 2: the midst of one of the most intense censorship regimes

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Speaker 2: the Internet has ever seen, and navigating it was not

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Speaker 2: only a total nightmare, it is now clear in retrospect

1172
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: the regime itself was totally wrong on so many things.

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Speaker 2: The most obvious is Labla hypothesis. Several content creators banned

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Speaker 2: from various social media websites, but I remember many other ones.

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Speaker 2: They are probably memory hold Sky News, Australia YouTube channel

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Speaker 2: that was banned for questioning the effectiveness of mass and

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Speaker 2: lockdowns because they broke COVID misinformation rules, or when doctors

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Speaker 2: were testifying before Congress about the efficacy of true treatments,

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Speaker 2: or even those at the time that were discussing claims

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Speaker 2: around the COVID vaccine. It is pretty clear now that

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00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: allowing questions to surface was correct in many cases. Allowing

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Speaker 2: dissenting views to the medical establishment would have provided Americans

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00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: and really everyone with proper understandings of medical guidelines. The

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00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: problem is it would have made people less compliant. We

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00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: simply can't have that, can we. In fact, COVID really

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00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 2: proved once and for all that trying to navigate any

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Speaker 2: sense of what is true and what is not medically

1188
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: in the sense of a fraud situation like a pandemic,

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00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: is nearly impossible. The only way to know is to

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00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 2: see results in the real world at scale and then

1191
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 2: adjust accordingly, allowing all kinds of debates, seeing who was

1192
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: right and who was wrong. Unfortunately, many people are now

1193
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: learning the opposite lesson They think the censorship resim under

1194
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: COVID not only worked, but is now a model for

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Speaker 2: the future. That is very evident some policies YouTube announced

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Speaker 2: yesterday Let's actually dig in YouTube rights that going forward

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Speaker 2: it will streamline all medical misas information guidelines into three categories, prevention, treatment,

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Speaker 2: and denial. These apply to any specific health condition, treatment,

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Speaker 2: or substance where content quote contradicts local health authorities or

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Speaker 2: the World Health Organization. To determine if a video violates

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Speaker 2: their policy, they quote evaluate whether it is associated with

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Speaker 2: the high public health risk publicly available guidance from health

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Speaker 2: authorities around the world. I can't believe the only one

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Speaker 2: who sees a glaring hole in this policy. What if

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00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: the World Health Organization is wrong? Luckily that's never happened before. Right, Well,

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Speaker 2: how about this. For the first several months of the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: the WHO said mass didn't prevent the spread of COVID.

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Speaker 2: Then in June of twenty twenty, they changed their mind,

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Speaker 2: and then this year they changed it again. So which

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00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: is it at wenny? Which point? Which was it true

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Speaker 2: or not true? And then liable to be taken now

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Speaker 2: off the YouTube platform. The last few years have been

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Speaker 2: extraordinary in the context of what we really know and

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: don't know. For years, for example, they told this depression

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Speaker 2: was a chemical imbalance, that they had the proof, that's

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Speaker 2: why I have to take this multi billion dollar SSR drug,

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: a treatment regimen still recommended by the WHO. And yet

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Speaker 2: what did we learn? A large meta study showed the

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00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: chemical imbalanced thesis is likely bunk. For depression SSRIs. They

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Speaker 2: do kind of work, but we don't really know why.

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Speaker 2: And that's a myriad of other treatments though that may

1222
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: actually be far more beneficial because they have no side effects.

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Speaker 2: Or who can forget the bombshell study around Alzheimer's where

1224
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: a central study which guided research for sixteen straight years

1225
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 2: may have been straight up fabricated, or recall one of

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Speaker 2: my more recent monologues about mammograms and has showed that

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Speaker 2: much of our medical guidance, including from the WHO, even

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Speaker 2: in the prevention realm, is really not that well thought out,

1229
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Speaker 2: and that a rigorous debate around recommendations, especially when money

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Speaker 2: is involved, is vital and essential. I say all of

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Speaker 2: this because I actually care about YouTube. Obviously, it's where

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Speaker 2: we build our careers, but more so I recognize it

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: as one of the most powerful forces on Earth. Somewhere

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00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: around three quarters of the entire US population uses YouTube.

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Speaker 2: If you want to fix something, you have to look

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00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: it up on YouTube, I can tell you. As I

1237
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: continue on health journey, there is nothing I love more

1238
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: than going on YouTube and watching debates around diets or

1239
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: exercise protocols or nutrition. COVID should have been a lesson

1240
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 2: to all of us that the medical establishment doesn't know

1241
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: nearly as much as they claim to, and it should

1242
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: have been a lesson to the censors the regime really

1243
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Instead, they have decided to expand it further,

1244
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: showing us that what was promised as a temporary measure

1245
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: has simply become a new normal, and this will make

1246
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: getting good information only harder in the years to come

1247
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: as we navigate who the hell knows what comes next

1248
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: in our public health discourse. I only know that things

1249
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: today are not that different from the way that things

1250
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: have always been. Free and open debate is always better

1251
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: than the alternative. I thought it was crazy, Crystal that

1252
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Speaker 2: they basically reversed.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagres's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 2: Cristle, what are you taking a look at?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I've got some devastating new numbers on homelessness to share

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Speaker 1: with you this morning, But contain within them is maybe

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Speaker 1: a little bit of hope or at least some what

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Speaker 1: of a possible answer? Can't be any real silver lining

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Speaker 1: to this level of human carnage, but at the very least,

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Speaker 1: we can begin to chart a path forward and regain

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01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: some confidence that solving big, intractable problems is still something

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Speaker 1: our nation is actually capable of doing.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: First, the numbers.

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Speaker 1: According to the Wall Street Journal, the US is experiencing

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Speaker 1: a record increase in homelessness. The number of homeless people

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Speaker 1: has risen a full eleven percent year over year. That

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Speaker 1: is the largest single spike recorded since that metric started

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Speaker 1: being tracked part of the Great Recession. So to put

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Speaker 1: that in context, even during the worst of the housing crisis,

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Speaker 1: we did not see numbers jumping up this dramatically. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you watch this show, you'll not be surprised by

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Speaker 1: the causes. Even as the numbers do continue to shock.

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Speaker 1: Housing has never been more unaffordable. Addiction continues to ravage millions,

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. Aid that was a lifeline to so many expired.

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Speaker 1: It's a disgrace that is a nation. We choose to

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Speaker 1: continue to allow this suffering, and make no mistake, it

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Speaker 1: is a choice.

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Speaker 3: How do I know. We'll just take a look at

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Speaker 3: this chart.

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Speaker 1: Just look at how much we actually reduced homelessness in

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Speaker 1: a single year. Back in twenty twenty one, when policymakers

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Speaker 1: decided to make it a priority as COVID was rampaging

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01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: before there was a vaccine, and during the worst of

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01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: the crisis, lawmakers were worried enough about the spread of

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01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: the disease that they actually took some aggressive measures to

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Speaker 1: house people who needed help. And maybe it should be

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Speaker 1: obvious that getting people housing will dramatically reduce homelessness, but

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Speaker 1: that is not the way that policymakers.

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Speaker 3: Often look at this issue. But look at this.

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Speaker 1: They made real progress on a seemingly intractable complex issue,

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Speaker 1: and guys, they could do it again.

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Speaker 3: It's not just homelessness.

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Speaker 1: Though I have plenty of critiques of how we did

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Speaker 1: COVID relief, who we helped most, how we structure the program,

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Speaker 1: who got bailouts, who got jacktion, But even imperfectly designed

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Speaker 1: as it was, the unbelievable possibilities of the government to

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Speaker 1: do good for the American people are really clear when

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Speaker 1: you look at the data. All measures of debt, including

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Speaker 1: debt and collections and overall consumer debt plummeted. Credit card

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Speaker 1: debt actually dropped the largest amount in history. You see,

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Speaker 1: just like when you get people housing, it reduces homelessness.

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Speaker 1: Turns out when you give people money, it reduces debt.

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Speaker 1: The COVID relief checks were a god send to millions,

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Speaker 1: from those who were desperate, were out of work, needed

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Speaker 1: it just to get by, to those who were able

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Speaker 1: to finally get a little bit of breathing room from

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Speaker 1: the creditors who had been breathing down their necks. Same

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Speaker 1: with the so called superdoll which took regular unemployment and

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Speaker 1: pumped it up to keep people going while businesses were

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Speaker 1: shutter during the pandemic. Many also, as part of that,

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Speaker 1: went through some really dramatic lifestyle changes that had them

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Speaker 1: at home with their support systems instead of papering over

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Speaker 1: their psychic wounds with retail therapy, which also forced them

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Speaker 1: to eat at home, saving money on restaurant meals and

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Speaker 1: gas with no commutes. Thanks to the short lived Child

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Speaker 1: tax Credit, we also dropped child poverty to a fifty

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Speaker 1: year low.

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Speaker 3: Just look at that chart.

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Speaker 1: It is actually stunning and once again provides an ingenious insight,

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Speaker 1: which is that giving money to families with kids can

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Speaker 1: dramatically reduce the number of poor children, and research has

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Speaker 1: shown that that money was largely spent on the kids.

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Speaker 1: An incredibly official ways, school supplies, after school activities, nutritious food.

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Speaker 3: And the like.

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Speaker 1: I will never get over the fact that we provided

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Speaker 1: such a wildly successful program for our nations kids and

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Speaker 1: then cruelly ripped it away.

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Speaker 3: And these economic supports.

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Speaker 1: Which materially improved the lives of many Americans, did not

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Speaker 1: just stay in the realm of bank accounts. Suicides actually

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Speaker 1: dropped during the pandemic quite significantly. This was counter to

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Speaker 1: the predictions of basically every expert plenty of pundits too,

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Speaker 1: myself included. The pandemic, after all, was really stressful. People

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Speaker 1: were isolated, many measures of mental health deteriorated, But when

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Speaker 1: the numbers came back, suicide rates actually dropped around three

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Speaker 1: percent during the height of COVID. Experts attribute this to

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Speaker 1: a number of factors. Being forced home wasn't a bad

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Speaker 1: thing for all people. After all, if you were being

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Speaker 1: bullied at school or your soul was being crushed by

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Speaker 1: your boss, you were plenty happy to be at home

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Speaker 1: with your family. Telehealth was also expanded during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: giving more people easier access to your range of health care, and,

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Speaker 1: of course, for many pandemic, aid programs loosened. The financial

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Speaker 1: news that had been around their necks. Now, of course

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Speaker 1: we're back to normal and suicides have returned to the

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Speaker 1: ever upward assent. Now, I am not trying to say

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Speaker 1: every aspect of the response was puppies and rainbows.

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Speaker 3: Far from it.

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Speaker 1: Lawmakers obviously screwed up a lot, to school closures being

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Speaker 1: the most obvious example. Plenty of people also fell through

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Speaker 1: the cracks of pandemic programs or were the essential workers

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Speaker 1: who were forced to keep working and risk their lives

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Speaker 1: without getting much more than a patronizing pat on the back.

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Speaker 1: But you can see really clearly that even as feckless

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Speaker 1: as our government sometimes seems, it can genuinely do good.

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Speaker 1: There is no charity or financial planning app or individual

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Speaker 1: bootstrapping that can come close to matching the mass impact

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Speaker 1: of the federal government. And the numbers tell us clearly

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Speaker 1: we do not have to accept this pain. The government

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Speaker 1: helped the people once, and it could do it again.

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Speaker 1: Don't let anyone gaslight you into thinking otherwise.

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Speaker 2: And sooger. Basically, we had and if you want to

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Speaker 2: hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber

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Speaker 2: today at breakingpoints dot com. All right, guys, we had

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Speaker 2: a great show for all of you today. The Chris

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Speaker 2: Matthews interview should have gone out first, so we apologize

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Speaker 2: for this coming late, but we promised it was definitely

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Speaker 2: worth it. Thanks to all the Bringium subscribers.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to see what you want to say

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 2: Let us know, let us know what you think. I

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Speaker 2: see you guys later.