WEBVTT - Idaho Murder Families Confront their Childrens’ Killer 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:03.000 Hey, they're folks. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.880 It is Thursday, July the twenty fourth, and some said 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.039 they wanted him to go to hell. Others said they 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.400 have actually forgiven him. There was tears, there was anger 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.239 in the courtroom and a powerful moment when one victim's 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:24.239 dad rearranged the courtroom furniture, shall we say, and with that, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:26.000 welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:26.480 Robes. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:32.400 We expected a lot yesterday from the sentencing hearing for 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.120 Brian Colberger, of course, convicted now of killing those four 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:39.080 University of Idaho students. We knew this was going to 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.360 be a powerful day. And still it just makes your 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:44.400 heart break all over again. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.000 Yeah. I mean, every single parent out there had to 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.400 just put themselves in these parent shoes, imagining what you 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.560 would say and how you would feel staring down the person, 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:04.240 the man who brutally murdered your child for no reason whatsoever, 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:08.000 and the anticipation of either wanting to hear what he 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.720 had to say, to offer some explanation, to give you 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.440 some sense of understanding as to why it happened, and 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.720 then getting nothing from him, absolutely nothing. Some people didn't 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:22.520 want anything from him, but certainly some families expressed a 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.240 desire to either hear an apology, here an explanation, here's 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.680 something to try and make sense of something that was 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.360 and will forever remain senseless. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.600 Yeah, and for a lot of folks book, this was 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.200 a big day for these families. This was kind of 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:41.600 the finality of this case. But there weren't surprises in 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.480 regards to the sentence. Oftentimes we're standing by to see 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:45.760 what the judge is going to do. No, this was 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.880 a plea deal. We already knew he was going to 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.720 get the four life sentences, no possibility of parole. I 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.920 think there were other ten years hacked on for early 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.200 So none of that was the surprise. The hope was 0:01:57.240 --> 0:01:58.840 going in that he would say something. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.440 Let's get that out of the way as well. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:02.360 He was robes, as we know, he was going to 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.120 be asked, and the judge did do you have something 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:08.440 to say? And he gave us the only words we're 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:09.519 going to get from him in this case. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:13.400 I suppose, yeah, that he respect respectfully declined to speak. 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.880 I respectfully decline, he he said in a soft voice. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.480 There was no from all descriptions robes and all, I mean, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.880 we had courtroom observers in there, but also we were 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:24.680 able to see it on live stream. 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:26.000 Like nothing from him. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:30.200 No, he had no nothing, not a reaction, not a nothing. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.960 People, I cannot, I don't even know how you keep 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.360 a straight face like that, an expressionless face like that 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.200 when people are calling you a monster, when people are sobbing, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:44.200 when you see your own mother crying, how you just 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:52.120 are emotionless, expressionless? It that was incredibly eerie, frankly, to 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.800 see his complete lack of emotion and just almost it 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.239 was as if he was not even in his own body. 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:01.760 It was we should say, and you and I have 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.799 spend a lot of time in courts and courtrooms with tragedies, 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:07.880 and we've looked several of us, we've watched them live 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:08.520 on television. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.840 Before this set least was. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.480 This was non stop, almost constant emotion in tears from 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:21.919 somebody in the courtroom, like as a collective, everybody seemed 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.680 to be in tears, the judge, the prosecutor. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:27.240 Yeah. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.920 So for him to sit around all of what was 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:35.200 just a non stop emotional tear fest, for him to 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:36.440 have nothing is. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:38.840 I'm curious. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.480 But they say they're done with him, and maybe a 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.360 lot of us should be as well. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.960 Look, I mean a lot of times, well so many 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:51.200 times with school shootings. Covering these types of tragedies, we 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.760 have made a point as a news organization not to 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.440 even say the shooter's name other than the initial reporting 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.120 day when people needed to know who it was, and 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.000 then from then on you just refer to that person 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.760 as the shooter because you don't want to give them 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.160 any more fame because so often some of these people 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.200 are seeking that, they're seeking infamy, they're seeking attention, they're 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.000 seeks so to not give it to them as part 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:14.760 of it. And some of the parents or some of 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.800 the family members did go up and say, I'm forgetting you. 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.760 You are only initials now to me. They didn't want 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:25.440 to give him any more news coverage or any more 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.080 attention than he deserves. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.880 I think one of the people, I can't remember which 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.120 family member but actually said that to him, all these 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.159 people that are here and all this attention, it's not 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.280 for you, it's for them, it's for the kids, it's 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:36.520 for the victims. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:37.800 I thought that. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:43.719 Was you know, I thought it seemed like and I 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.599 know what he was saying there, but there is so 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.000 much fascination and there has been so much attention, and 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.560 we did get more details about Coburger. We're all wondering 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:55.920 just why the hell and we had and we got 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.560 more information yesterday because the gag order was lifted. But 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.760 it was hard and we were pulling together, like how 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:02.120 much do you want to talk about this guy? 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:06.400 It's hard because we're fascinated by evil, because it's first 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:08.799 of all, it's scary as hell to know that people 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.600 like this guy are walking around. They could be your neighbor, 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:17.280 they can be your classmate, they can be someone who 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.560 you've allowed into your home unknowing what's actually deep within them. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:23.680 And so to try to understand him might be to 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.560 try to understand evil, maybe to recognize it to prevent 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.360 further crimes. I mean, I think that's where a lot 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.000 of folks heads go, just to say, how could this happen? 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.320 How can we prevent and how can I avoid or 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:39.080 have my family avoid this sort of situation and literally 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.239 to recognize evil. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.960 Really, right now, we don't know what we're dealing with. No, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.640 we don't know what to look out for the next time. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:47.039 We don't know the warning signs. We know nothing now 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:47.760 from this guy. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.440 We heard from a you know, in some of the 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.880 information that was released. We heard from someone who was 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.440 talking to him on Tinder, We heard from a couple 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.440 of his classmates. We actually heard from a few of 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:02.279 his fellow cellmates. But still there's no there's no Aha. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.000 It's after the fact. They can say, yeah, he seemed creepy, 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.359 Yeah he seems like a weirdo. Yeah he seems withdrawn. 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.040 But there are plenty of people who are withdrawn and 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.400 antisocial or socially awkward, and they're not evil, and they're 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:15.040 not murderers. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.280 What is it? This came out as well. 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.560 The prosecutor said this was not a serial killer in waiting, 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.200 and went on to explain they went through his background 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.719 obviously extensively. There's no there's nothing, certainly not a criminal record, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.040 but just coming. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.599 Up, was he violent? Was he this so that they said. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.320 There was he was not a serial killer and the 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:35.279 signs were missed. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.880 He was exactly and he was a drug abuser. I 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.240 believe he had a heroin addiction. He was in rehab 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.200 and he had some burglary, you know, he was stealing 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.279 phones and things like that to try and get money 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.800 to pay for drugs. But short of that, there was nothing. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.600 And he was highly intelligent that was also very much 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.080 a part of the discovery into him and what perhaps 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.120 potentially made him tick. But he was highly intelligent, and 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.080 that's it. There isn't really a list of oh okay, 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.280 like you pointed out, they didn't miss anything. Even his 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.720 own parents I'm sure couldn't have imagined he was capable 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.080 of something like this, you know. 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.640 So I guess that's enough to talk about him, because 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.160 we did learn more about the victims as well. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:17.800 Yesterday. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.120 This was very, very difficult to listen to, and it's difficult, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.000 it'll be difficult for you to hear, but we're going 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.880 to go through some of the tributes, some of the 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.000 sweet moments that were said. Again, we had parents, friends, 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:33.640 surviving roommates, aunties, grandparents, all got up and were able 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.280 to say something. But it started with and the first 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.240 two we're gonna start with here robes the surviving housemates. Now, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.440 these were the two who were left alive by Coburger, 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:45.280 and we don't know. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:46.800 Why, and they don't know why. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.120 They don't know. But one wasn't there. It was Bethany Funk. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.480 She wasn't there, so somebody read a statement on her behalf. 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.200 She said, I hate and still hate that they are gone, 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.160 but for some reason, I am still here and I 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.280 got to live. I still think about this every day. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.760 Why me? Why did I get to live and not them? 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.560 For the longest time, I could not even look at 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.800 their families without feeling sick with guilt. And that might 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.440 explain why she wasn't in the courtroom. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.440 You know, I didn't think about that yet. I didn't 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.440 hear anything about why she chose not to. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:17.920 It just might have been too hard. 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:21.920 It might have been You hear this oftentime where it's say, 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.640 like natural disasters or I mean a plane crash something 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:29.040 people have survivors guilt like why did those people die. 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:29.400 And I didn't. 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.400 I can't imagine what this feels like. And to have 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.119 no answers for why. 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.800 It's no no, And the other surviving housemaid who did 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.760 and who was there yesterday Dylan Morton's and she talked 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.679 about Brian, saying he's a hollow vessel, something less than human. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.760 He tried to take everything from me, my friends, my safety, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.800 my identity, my future. And we did hear a little 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:55.040 bit from some of this unsealed some of the unsealed 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:59.199 documents that these two I don't remember which one of 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:04.120 it was Dylan or Bethae. But they actually heard Kayley, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.280 one of the girls who was killed, say I think 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.280 someone's in here, and they ran into their room and 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.959 locked the door. Then they thought they heard someone sobbing. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.160 Then they thought they heard a man's voice speaking, and 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.840 yet still they just they tried to call the phones 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.200 of their roommates, but they were too afraid to leave 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:21.800 their room. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:24.000 All this we learned now. I mean, it was a 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.920 house of horrors that night, and so much we got 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.199 from the stuff that has been released describing the scene 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:29.920 that night. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.240 It's a whole horrific, horrific. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.400 One of the victims was stabbed fifty times. One of 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.760 the other victims was stabbed thirty times, and to the 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.359 point where they were unrecognizable. I mean, it's just it's disgusting. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:47.360 It's I can't imagine being in again the shoes of 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.200 those parents and getting those details. It's unthinkable. But we 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.600 also heard from so many family members. Mattie Mogan's stepfather, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.000 Scott talked about Mattie and saying this world was a 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.560 better place with her in it. He talked about her mom. 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:03.800 He said, Karen and I were ordinary people, but we 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.079 lived extraordinary lives because of Mattie. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:08.720 I thought that was a really cool way to put it, 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.880 and to sum up your child. Yeah, I'm just I'm 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.760 nothing here, but man, she made me special. She made 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.520 my life special. 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:16.880 That was a good way to put it. He he 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:17.360 was one. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.679 I think several people kind of alluded to this in 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.319 some way, that this person is insignificant and to be forgotten. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.440 And Scott Laramie said, that's for the defendant. We will 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.840 not waste the words, nor will we nor will we 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.400 fall into the hatred and bitterness. Evil has many faces 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:35.080 and we now know this, but evil does not deserve 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.000 our time and attention. That was a lot of that, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:41.800 and Mgen's grandmother got up as well, and this was 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.880 the one, a short sentence that was so powerful. The 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.840 foundation fell out of our world. 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:52.240 That makes so much sense. I mean she talked about 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.640 having now a stack of books on grief and having 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.240 attended grief classes in therapy. I mean, you never get 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.360 over the death of a child ever, and now they're 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.520 having to deal with living without the people who, yes, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.280 were their foundation. Madison Mogan's dad, and he talked about 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.000 his substance abuse. He talked about how she was the 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.400 reason why he lived while he fought to see another day, 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:21.440 why he worked so hard to to basically win his 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.480 battle against addiction. But he said she was the only 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.120 great thing I ever really did. Oh that makes me. Oh, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.480 that chokes me up, and the only thing I was 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:31.920 ever really proud of. 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.160 Yeah, guys, he's been through some things, you could tell, 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:37.640 and you can tell looking at that girl, like, Wow, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.440 she came from love. She's a good kid. I got 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.559 something right and that thing is gone from him now 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.520 that stuff comes through in some of these words. Now 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.920 the next one here and help me. 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:48.640 I keep messing up. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:53.280 The last name Kaylee gun Salves and her family has 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.000 been very outspoken since the murders, and they have been 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.040 very outspoken about their displeasure about this deal that was 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.319 made to spare him from the death penalty, and they 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.959 had been outspoken about not getting information. So I mean, 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.120 this is a family that is in the throes of grief. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.640 But they're angry, and you could hear from the father, Steve, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.400 the sister, and the mom all they are angry. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.520 And Steve, the dad, is the one who changed things 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.160 up in the courtroom. He changed the tone in the 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:25.600 courtroom when he rearranged some of the court room furniture. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.480 Welcome back, everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ, 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.440 where we are talking about the sentencing hearing for Brian 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.319 Comberger and the grief and the anger that was in 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.240 that courtroom from the parents and the family members and 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:52.360 the people who loved those four victims who were senselessly 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:58.440 murdered by this thirty year old PhD student with zero reason, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.720 zero explanation Z, zero connection to any of the victims. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:06.040 But it was Kaylee. It was Kaylee Guncal Sorry, I 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.559 now I'm messing up her name, as well as Kaylee Gunsalvez, 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:14.640 Kaylee Gonzalvez's father, who really created a moment. There were 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.320 many moments, but really created a moment. 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.040 You're supposed to I think people will remember this that 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.440 I think I can't remember the judge did in this case. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.040 But you're addressing the court. You're not supposed to be 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.000 directly addressing anybody else. 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:26.319 In the court. 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.040 So the podium that they stand they speak at, is 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.719 on the floor and directed towards the bench. Essentially the 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:41.760 jujudges Yeah, and Steve Gunsalves physically grabbed that podium and 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:46.160 turned it in the direction of the defendant Coburger, to 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:50.160 speak to him directly. Now Robes, the judge would have 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.080 been perfectly within his right to say, turn that back, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:54.200 you address the court. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.240 You're not going to do that. Judge didn't stop them. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:57.600 I'm not upset about that. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.000 Judge didn't stop. 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:01.280 And you know that was his moment. Everything had been 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.959 taken from him, His power had been taken from him, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.480 his beautiful daughter had been taken from him. Like give 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.760 him that that moment, and he did. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:11.840 And after that there were a lot of moments that 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.920 I guess involve more anger and direct speak if you 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.880 will to Coburger. But Kaylee's dad said this, nobody cares 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.120 about you. You're not worth the time, the effort to 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.520 be remembered. In time, you will be nothing but two 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.280 initials forgotten to the wind, no visitors, nothing more than 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.960 initials on an otherwise unmarked tombstone. And again from here 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.800 on now there, I guess after this it felt like 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:38.800 everybody else felt a. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:39.520 Little more in bolded. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.240 They already had their statements ready, but after this the 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.560 tone was was very angry. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.200 Because Kaylee's sister and Kaylee's mom, this family is angry, 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.000 and so her sister said this to Brian, disappointments like 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.240 you thrive on pain, I won't feed your beast. Instead, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:15:00.800 I will call you what you are, sociopath, psychopath, murderer. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:02.600 And she said, you want the truth, here's the one 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.840 you'll hate the most. If you hadn't attacked them in 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.880 their sleep in the middle of the night like a pedophile, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.000 Kaylee would have kicked your fucking ass. And the courtroom 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:16.960 actually applauded after she said that Kaylee's mom she had 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:21.920 something also just very I mean just you could just 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.440 feel her pain in these words. She said this to him. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.520 When those prison doors slam shut behind you, I hope 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:29.760 that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.880 your meaningless days. I hope it reminds you of what 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.280 we already know, your nothing. May you continue to live 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:40.640 your life in misery. But it's okay because they're to help. 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.840 They're there to help you. Hell will be waiting, and 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.000 she said, but it's okay because they're there to help you. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.840 She actually took the words that one of the roommates 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.880 said she thought she heard him say to Kaylee to 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.440 her daughter, and so she used that same phrase against 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.000 him when she addressed him. 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.520 Well, God, Mattiemgen's mom got up. I just want to 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.400 mention this because this is something again, a lot of 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:06.640 people can relate to. We don't keep this in mind enough. 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:09.800 She said, those who commit evil for their own twisted 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:16.400 gains and purposes truly defile the efforts and sacrifices of mothers, fathers, families, teachers, clergy, 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:20.760 public servants, service members, and all those who commit themselves. 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:21.040 To the greater good. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.000 She was making a reference about the light, and she 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.240 put this together in such a way when you it's 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.000 not just a family, right, how many people in your 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.360 life right now are you coming up? This was a 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:38.240 team effort to get you through elementary school, high school, college, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.800 whether that's aunts, whether that you can remember some pastor somewhere, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.080 you can remember teacher somewhere. But she went through and 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.600 listed like you robbed not this fan, you robbed a 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.480 community that had invested in this girl. I thought that 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.720 was a great line from Karen Laramie as her name, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:52.800 that's a Matti Mugen's mom. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.160 Yeah, And she talked about Mattie's beauty. She said, both inside, 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:01.000 outside and in shown its light upon everyone with whom 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.600 she came in content, and she said, Maddie carried that 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.439 hope and light into the future for our entire family. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.679 And that's it's just it's gutting to think about the 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.959 futures that will no longer happen. The future is that 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.520 investment that that community and her family put into her 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:16.800 just cut short. 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:23.360 And the This one's tough of Xana Karnodle's dad. He's 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.080 going to be dealing with this with the rest of 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.240 his life, obviously losing his daughter. 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:28.639 But he I didn't know this. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.320 I hadn't heard the story before that she wasn't feeling 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.000 well that night and it actually called her dad, don't 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.920 have the right end was considering I think he said 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.680 only lived seven minutes away or seven miles either way, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.320 He's very close, and he didn't go by. And she 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:43.680 was the one that encouraged. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.399 Him not to because he had had a couple drinks, 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.560 you know, and she didn't. Yeah, and so oh, I 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.000 mean that to know that you would have been there, 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.320 could have been there, should have been there, maybe even 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.840 and you could have stopped it. So Xana's dad said this, 0:17:57.119 --> 0:18:00.320 I would have been sitting right there on that couch 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.240 and I regret that and I regret not going, But 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.879 the reason why I didn't is because she said, Dad, 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.800 don't be drinking and driving. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:14.480 That's a tough one we had to hear in court yesterday. 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.000 I thought this is interesting. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:22.240 Her aunt, Kim aunt also spoke and I'm and I'm 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.480 not sure if she was serious, and maybe she actually was. 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.000 She said to him, anytime you want to talk and 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.080 tell me what happened, get my number. I'm here, no judgment. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:31.640 I'll be the one who listens. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:32.040 Now. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.320 Because what she suggesting, there were so many other family 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:35.879 members like I don't want to hear his voice. I 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:37.960 don't want to hear anything from him. Others are saying, yes, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.800 I want to hear It almost sounds like she was 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.399 volunteering to be the one who has to listen on 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:43.440 behalf of everybody. 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:45.600 It makes sense, though, like I don't think any I 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:47.840 don't know that any parent. I don't think I could 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.440 hear that directly, and I certainly wouldn't want to be 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.600 engaged in any kind of conversation with someone who had 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.520 done that to my daughter. But maybe if you're just 0:18:56.560 --> 0:18:58.520 a little bit removed, you're an aunt, and you can 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:00.439 take that for your sister or your brother and you 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.080 can bring That makes a lot of sense to me 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:04.879 that you can have just enough of a removal that 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.199 you could process it, you could emotionally distance yourself from 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.000 it enough to give that gift back to your family 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.000 if there was something that could be explained, if there 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.600 was something, any nugget that could give them any peace 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:19.320 or any sort of closure. 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:25.119 A couple more here from Xana's family here than a anerdle. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.119 I'm saying that correctly. Yes to hope. 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.399 Dad was angry here and this is her Stepdad was 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.280 actually pointing at Coburg at the time when he was 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:36.280 saying this, but he said, there's no place for you 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:36.760 in heaven. 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:38.960 You took our children. You are going to suffer. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.879 I am shaking because I want to reach out to you. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.719 Go to hell oof. 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:51.800 I mean, you can't, like I can't imagine feeling anything 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.680 but wanting to cause harm to him, physical harm to him, 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.639