1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: About the Von Hamilton being the best nose tackle in 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: the league. 3 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 2: What's changed that with d. 4 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 3: Ham I just I think DM's doing a great job. 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 3: He is working really, really hard. You know, he's got 6 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 3: a great he's a total pro, you know, a veteran 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 3: that that young guys could look up to because he 8 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 3: comes to work. You know, he's a lunch paale guy. 9 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: He comes to work, does his job every day, gives 10 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 3: us everything he's got. 11 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 4: Uh. 12 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 3: I think he's had a really good camp so far, 13 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: so really excited about it. He's a great guy, really 14 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 3: is great. 15 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 5: Dude's the coach right your startle for two days. 16 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, today we practice a little 17 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 3: bit more physical on our side. I thought we were 18 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 3: communicating well flying around. But to me, it's it's always 19 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: about the play style, you know, how you're playing on deepense. 20 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 5: I think we're trendling the right way that way. So, 21 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 5: but a lot of work to do. 22 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: But to answer your question, what I do like is 23 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 3: I like the physicality today. 24 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 5: Uh. And we're starting to get a good culture in 25 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 5: our room. 26 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 6: You know we're going to be without Buster for the 27 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 6: rest of the camp. H. I know a lot of 28 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 6: guys are going to have an opportunity to kind of 29 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 6: step up, but with Jari and specifically, what have you 30 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 6: seen from him over the last few days. 31 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: He's a great competitor. He really works hard to play 32 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: with technique. You know, I think he did a great 33 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: job in his spring and then he really worked. He's 34 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: one of the guys really worked hard in the summer. 35 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: You know, was with a lot of the guys on 36 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: the team working technique, studying. So he came back, you know, 37 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 3: in the camp really ready to go, and I see 38 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: a lot of the drill work he's doing every day 39 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 3: is showing up now, you know, the muscle memory is 40 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 3: starting to set in and he's really playing with good 41 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: techniques start to show up and all the one on 42 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: one work and the team. 43 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 6: Periods he had to play yesterday where he punches out 44 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 6: in the ball on beami and then you run across 45 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 6: the field to kind of give him this poutos. Just 46 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 6: what is that relationship like seeing a guy that, like 47 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 6: you said, you do the indie druid and then he 48 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 6: shows up later. 49 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 5: And yeah, I think, you know, I love coaching that guy. 50 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: We got a great group of guys here, Like they're 51 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: easy guys to coach, and they're giving us everything we're 52 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: talking about. They're running to the ball, they're attacking the ball. 53 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: So I think those things always should be celebrated. And 54 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: I think that says a lot about the type of 55 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: kid he is and the. 56 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 5: Way that he plays. 57 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: You know, he's going to give you everything he's got 58 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: till the end of the play. So I think that 59 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: was awesome that he was rewarded on that drive your mee. 60 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 7: A camp second day of pads. 61 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: Do you feel the defense is more for brassed ahead 62 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: of schedule? 63 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 5: No, I think we're right about where we thought we'd be. 64 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: Got a lot of work to do, but the guys 65 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: are really putting in a lot of great work. Like 66 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: in the meetings, they're locked in. You know, when you're 67 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: up front of the room looking at them, everybody's locked in. 68 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: Everybody's really detailed. They're trying to do it out here 69 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: on the field obviously when we go in live work, 70 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: but even in the walkthroughs, you know they're really doing 71 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: a good job communicating and playing with good technique and 72 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: to walk through a good body position. So to me, 73 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: that's that's really what we're looking for, and they're giving 74 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 3: us that. 75 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: Any reservations or worries, and it's still early in camp. 76 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: You don't have to be specific. 77 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: But early in camp, he said, any reservations or any 78 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, worries at all, You don't have to be specific. 79 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 5: Album, No, No, I just think we got to keep 80 00:02:58,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 5: doing what we're doing. 81 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: We got to keep playing with a lot of passion 82 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 3: and a lot of great communication every day. As long 83 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: as we do that, I think we're going to be 84 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,399 Speaker 3: on course for where we'd like to be. I mean, 85 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: there's a lot to like. You know, he's a big athlete, 86 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 3: covers a lot of ground, he's got good range, and 87 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: he's physical. You know, he's done a really good job studying. 88 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 3: He's become a very good communicator for us. So I'm 89 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: pleased with his effort and how it was camp's gotten 90 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: so far. 91 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: Jack with the would be sacked today, give us kind 92 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: of an idea where he's progressed that linebacker group, in 93 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: particular in the middle, where you kind of see that's 94 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: shaking out right now. 95 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's doing a really good job. He's 96 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 5: a mature guy. 97 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: I think he was really well coached in college, to 98 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: be honest with you, but he's got a very good 99 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 3: football intelligence, and he asked great questions in the room 100 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: as well. But he's been a good communicator and he's 101 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: a hungry guy, so I think that usually leads to 102 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: a guy who's going to progress along quickly. And we're very, 103 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: very excited about him too. I think he's done a 104 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: good job in camps. 105 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: So for how much of kind of guy, like Eric 106 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 2: arm said, helped players like Josh hens Is Trey momarco 107 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: on the outside with Eric pushing on the inside. 108 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when you're talking about pass rush, I 109 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: think maybe the forgotten thing or the least talked about thing. 110 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: You know, all pass rushes middle push, you know, and 111 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: you really have to have a guy that can close 112 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: the pocket and generate middle push get the quarterback off 113 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: the spot. And a lot of those great inside rushers 114 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: kind of master in that. You know, they can execute 115 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 3: the games well, but when they're in a one on one, 116 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: they can collapse the pocket. And Eric's done that over 117 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: his career, so that's always a big help for edge rushers. 118 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: I'm not he hasn't really necessarily been getting up there 119 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 2: on Team droz Us as much as the other players. 120 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: Is he a guy that he doesn't really necessarily have 121 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: to do something like that for you to understand what 122 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: kind of player he is. 123 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: I think everybody, you know, we all we all need 124 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: to work out there playing, but as soon as he 125 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: gets out there, you know it's going to be. 126 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 5: A big help to us. So we're excited about getting 127 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: Eric back out there for sure. 128 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 2: Do you anticipate him getting more REPSS training camp move 129 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: or is it? 130 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 5: Or is it? Yeah? I would think so. Yeah. 131 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 8: It seemed like Sunday was the most Travis ive kind 132 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 8: of been tested in coverage. What did it say to 133 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 8: you to see just the way he responded and getting 134 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 8: his hands on football. 135 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: I mean, as we all know, he's a great athlete, 136 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: but you see him doing the extra workout here with 137 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: coach Milis and coach Perkins. So he's really taking advantage 138 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 3: of the meeting time and the on field time with 139 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: those guys, like. 140 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 5: I call him the feet meets or the walkthroughs. 141 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: He's really doing a great job focusing and then you 142 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: see his athleticism even make plays on the ball in 143 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 3: the air. So that gets everybody excited, but really pleads 144 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: with Travis at the effort he's given obviously doing doing 145 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 3: this on both sides of the ball. 146 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 8: Grant said, he's like the most conditioned player he's ever seen. 147 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 8: Have you seen many guys with the energy that he has? 148 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he has. He is an incredible shape. He really 149 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: is a really welcome, decent athlete, you know, and I 150 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: can admire that because I'm struggling out here today. 151 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 5: But but no, he's uh it is. It's super impressive, though. Man, 152 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 5: he can go all day. 153 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, Liam said the plan won't change for 154 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 6: him necessarily with the buster news, but just how encouraging 155 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 6: it is it for you to know you have a 156 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 6: guy like that who you can kind of deploy when needing. 157 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's super encouraging. 158 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: Obviously, anytime you can get a great athlete like there 159 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 3: like that out there, you're really really excited. But it's 160 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: really just the work he's done. That's what really gets 161 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: us excited, because he's working double time and he's done 162 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: an awesome job of it. 163 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 6: What have you seen on that safety position opposite of 164 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 6: Beric Murray? Today's practice is pretty competitive, But. 165 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think there's a lot of guys who 166 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 3: are putting in great work. I think doing's doing a 167 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: great job. I think Antonio is doing a great job. 168 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 3: Sav's done a great job when he's out there. You know, 169 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: obviously Eric has great command back there as well. But 170 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 3: we've had a bunch of guys going through there and 171 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 3: they're all really doing. 172 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 5: A good job. 173 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 3: And as you start to get into third down and 174 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: two minute, you know, having dbs out there that are 175 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 3: good communicators and can make plays on the ball for you, 176 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 3: which we've all seen to this point, that's really exciting. 177 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: As far as Caleb france Agos, what. 178 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 7: Have you seen for him? 179 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Caleb's another guy. I think he's got 180 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 3: great feet. I've said that before. He is a guy 181 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: who's been studying really really hard. I think he did 182 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 3: a good job in the summer to be able to 183 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: come in and hit the ground running. 184 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 5: And he's another. 185 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: Guy I talked about Jack before, but I think he's 186 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: got really good maturity. And I think I said this 187 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: the last time I was up here when we were 188 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: talking about him. 189 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 5: He was well coached in college. 190 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: He was He's got really good fundamentals and he's another 191 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: guy who's got range and can make players on the mall. 192 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 5: So that's been exciting watching him as well. 193 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 6: If you've been through this, so he apologized with deep 194 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 6: and the interior defensive line with Mason Smith out and 195 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 6: also your thoughts on Eric Armstead. 196 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 5: Is he going to begin to get more reps as. 197 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 7: You move forward? 198 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 199 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I think the guys 200 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 3: that have been in there have been doing a good job, 201 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: you know, And the silver lining is those guys get. 202 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: A lot more work in camp, you know, and it 203 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 5: helps him get better. 204 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: But you know, when we get Mason out there and 205 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: Eric back out there, I think that's gonna be a 206 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: really big shot in the arm for us. 207 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 5: The heck. 208 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: I was like, wow, what a blessing to be out here, 209 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: Like I'm having so much fun. Obviously it's grinding, it 210 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 4: sucks and it hurts, but like where else would I 211 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 4: rather be? You know, cliche? That is getting better playing football? 212 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: I got a chance this year to write my wrongs 213 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: from last year. And you know, in terms of if 214 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 4: you want to call this works, what other job would 215 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: ID rather be doing out here? Trying to get better 216 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: every day? 217 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 5: Cliche? 218 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: But I really that's really went through my mind. And 219 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 4: you know, not got me through practical, but help me 220 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: keep getting better at practice. 221 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: How much has your mindset maybe switch or changed a 222 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: little bit from just from the last few years, you know, 223 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: being here. 224 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 7: I mean when I first got here, everything was exciting, 225 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 7: it was new. 226 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: We had the same opportunity as kind of this year 227 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 4: coming in proving people wrong and stuff. 228 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 7: I feel like we got some of that chip back. 229 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: We got new staff, we got some new players, but 230 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: you know same, let's let's let's show the people who 231 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: we who we want to be, who we are as Jaguars, 232 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 4: as this team. You know, take the name out in 233 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 4: front of the jersey. Everybody in the building I rock with, 234 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: so you know, us eleven on defense, all fighting together, 235 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: whatever name we got on on. 236 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 7: I like what we're doing out there, communicating this one. 237 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 5: Did you think that. 238 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 2: That's something that was needed for this team to have 239 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: that chick back. 240 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 7: Like you said, Yeah, for sure. I mean, obviously last 241 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 7: year did not go great. 242 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: It's easy to get down on yourself kind of get 243 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 4: through that's a that's a toxic, toxic mindset of football there, 244 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: and we got through the season abysmally. So come back 245 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: this season, let's try to right our wrongs and let's 246 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 4: get out on the right foot. 247 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 8: What's it been like kind of seeing Finntreil's growth over 248 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 8: the years and just seeing where he's at now. 249 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: It's exciting because he's a He's an explosive player, hard hitter, 250 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: a great energy guy. So if he's confident in what 251 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 4: he's doing out there, you know, now you can just 252 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 4: play football and make those kind of splash plays that 253 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: he always makes. It's really cool to see him fit runs, 254 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 4: get back and coverage, make the right communications what I 255 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 4: love the most, but just grow as a football player, 256 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 4: if into a real pro, taking care of his body, 257 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: speaking to me like you know, a veteran more. 258 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 7: It's really really exciting. 259 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 6: How has it been being coached by Camp? It seems 260 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 6: like he's kind of interjected guy. 261 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 4: Very energetic, and he'll pick you right up talking about that, 262 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: don't get down on yourself. Like this early in the morning, 263 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 4: already hot and he's already talking about we need to 264 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: do better than yesterday. So you don't want to let 265 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 4: him down because you know you're gonna call you out 266 00:09:59,400 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 4: on it. 267 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 7: I like that mentality. 268 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 4: I think the defense for a team kind of takes 269 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 4: a little bit of the personality of a coach, and 270 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: I've said that many times. 271 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 7: I like the personality brings the building. 272 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: So you would say, Colorado training that you and Chad 273 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: and do we did together, is it coming into effect 274 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: here today? 275 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 7: Though? 276 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: I mean I got the lung capacity, though I ain't 277 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 4: got to bring out my emergency and halo. 278 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 7: Nah, I'm joking with you, But that's cool. 279 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 4: And it was cool to get with some teammates out 280 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 4: there too, kind of push ourselves out there. Even Chad 281 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: with his little club he got on right now. He 282 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 4: was still working every day, so it was cool to 283 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 4: kind of push each other along and wake up early 284 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 4: in the morning to get grinding. Colorado doesn't get like, however, 285 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: five hundred degrees out in the afternoon, so we're still 286 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 4: working afternoons whatever we need to do. 287 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 5: So it's cool. 288 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: Sorry, you safe to say, do you feel like you're 289 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: in your natural position? Do you feel like you're back 290 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: to where you are? 291 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 4: I'm a football player, man, whatever the coach need, no, 292 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 4: but I like what I'm doing right now. It's all 293 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: about being in the right spot, trusting the defense, trusting 294 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: my guys around me. 295 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 7: I feel good where I'm at. 296 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: I can keep cleaning stuff up and get better, break 297 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: on the ball better and stuff. 298 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 7: But I like run that he. 299 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: Brought up central communication. Over the last few years. I'm 300 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: sure you know you would. You would give an anecdote 301 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: as far as when you're on the field during a 302 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: game and maybe you had to communicate extra or maybe 303 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: there was miscommunication. 304 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 7: As it felt differently this year. 305 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 4: I think one is from everybody knowing what everybody's supposed 306 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: to do, and that's echoed across the whole defense. So 307 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 4: sometimes a saint through coming to me and said, you know, 308 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: this guy, I might not I thought he went out, 309 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 4: but he ended. 310 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 5: Up going vertical. 311 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: So you're supposed to have this on this play, you know, 312 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: maybe a lot or two years ago, I think he 313 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: might not know that, you know what one I'm supposed 314 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 4: to do on the whole back side of a play. 315 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 7: So it's it's cool to. 316 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 4: Be able to communicate all across the whole eleven or 317 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: a little stunt, you know, he turned out, you're supposed 318 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 4: to get underneath that block, you know, And now I 319 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 4: know exactly what everybody's supposed to do, and it helps 320 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 4: you be in the right spot because I can trust 321 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 4: that he knows he's going to be on the right 322 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 4: spot too, And so much of that I know we've. 323 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 7: Talked about this, so much of it is about the. 324 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: Wine across the board? 325 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: Is that the theme? 326 00:11:58,760 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: Would you say in. 327 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 4: Terms of I think relatively keeping things in pattern, So 328 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 4: no matter the route, combination, matter of the coverage call, 329 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 4: kind of being able to relate it to this call 330 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 4: to that call, keeping things in pattern keeps things simpler 331 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: in the mind, if that makes sense. So you talk 332 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: about smart players, probably players that have been doing the 333 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 4: same pattern a long time. 334 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,119 Speaker 7: They can know what to anticipate. 335 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 4: So I think everybody being able to communicate makes everybody 336 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: play a little bit bester. 337 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 8: We have have said like this, having an open communication 338 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 8: and being honest is big for him as a player. 339 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 7: Just how does that impact you, guys? 340 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 8: Why does that make a difference? 341 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: Sceace. 342 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 7: I like it because I mean, now, everybody grew up 343 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 7: the same way. You know, I was raised very tough. 344 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: You did something wrong, you gonna hear about it right 345 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 4: then and there, you gotta correct it, no if sands 346 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: or but some people might have install long and they've 347 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: been talented and whatever, so they might have gotten away 348 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 4: with it. So being able to be challenged right then 349 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 4: and there and knowing that it's not a personal attack 350 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 4: helps you grow as a person as well, and not 351 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 4: saying I'm the best person in the world, but it 352 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 4: helps you be able to communicate the same language no 353 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 4: matter the tone you're hearing the words. 354 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 7: Instead. 355 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 8: Last year was attack. 356 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 6: The year before that I think was think takeaways as 357 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 6: are already a thing for the defense. 358 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 7: This year stop the run. We got a lot of things. 359 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 4: Man, we stopped the run first, limit lem me big players, 360 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 4: and then create takeaways. But it all starts with stopping 361 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 4: the run. Meaning the quarterback throw the ball. That's when 362 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: a lot of takeaways happen. Quarterback turns the ball over 363 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 4: the most. So if you don't stop the run, they're 364 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 4: gonna keep running it. 365 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Eric runs, he's mousing back inside a defensive tackle. 366 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: Just how much of an ef bet can that make 367 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: on you? 368 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 5: Guys? 369 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: Has a line dunder group Having a guy. 370 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: Like that has a bush, Yeah, I mean he's a 371 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: guy that a lot of offensive lines respect as well, 372 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: So it gets more attention, which makes my job easier. 373 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: Maybe flowing over the top or maybe I know they're 374 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,599 Speaker 4: hanging on that double team being able to shoot a 375 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 4: gap and stuff, So I like that aspect of it. Obviously, 376 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: he's a vet so he knows what to do with 377 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 4: his body and stuff. And you know, somebody you don't 378 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: really have to worry about being ready every Sunday. 379 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 7: I feel like, but just you know, he gonna bring 380 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 7: it and then we're gonna play. 381 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 8: Off with them. 382 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 6: I feel like every time I Ga stakes a play, 383 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 6: you're out there sharing the guys on. 384 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 7: I mean, I see you running from the sideline all 385 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 7: the way over. 386 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 6: To cheer you guys on. 387 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: What's it like for you to have that type of 388 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: leadership out there for the guy and just showing up 389 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: for them every single play. 390 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 4: I just think, no matter how you feel, you can't 391 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: be some timing and there are gonna be ebbs and 392 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 4: flows of practice, ebbs. 393 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 7: And flows of a game. 394 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 4: But you know, if somebody makes a play, if they 395 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 4: don't feel like it's rewarded and uh, you know, celebrated 396 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 4: or celebrated, then you know they don't feel as juiced 397 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 4: when they make it. They don't want to make it 398 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 4: as much. You celebrate every play that you make. You know, 399 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 4: a whole team wants to make plays with you, got 400 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 4: with you, and they're gonna cheer for me when I 401 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: make a play. So I just think it's camaraderie of 402 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: a defense, brotherhood of a defense that you can show 403 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: it in practice or on the field by really how 404 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 4: you cheering for your boy. 405 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 7: When they make a play, no matter who it is. 406 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 6: Josh said, make sure he wants more guys, specifically on 407 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 6: the defense to be on the top one hundred list. 408 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 6: Do you feel like you got snubbed on that list? 409 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 7: I know we had a bad year last year. I 410 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 7: can't watch you. Sometimes I feel like people are gifted 411 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 7: the top one. 412 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 4: Hundred because of who they are, and I've never been 413 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: one of those guys that have been fortunate to be 414 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: high drafted or in a high market with a high 415 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: wind percentage. Obviously, you made the playoffs one year, and 416 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 4: I Thattle League and tackles a whole bunch, But I 417 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 4: did not make the list, and I just add that 418 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: as fuel to the fire. But last year, you know, 419 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: injuries and I didn't play to my potential. So it's 420 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 4: a blessing every time. It's a blessing, and I want 421 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 4: to make it and I want to be the best 422 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 4: out there, and I work to be the best out there. 423 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 4: But if I don't do it, that's what or that's 424 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 4: what it is. You know, so obviously it's a goal, 425 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 4: but I think team defense is gonna help more of 426 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: us get on there. More wins are gonna help more 427 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: of us get on there. They're gonna reward reward me 428 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: when I earn it. They're not gonna givet it to me. 429 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: And I never had that in my career. 430 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 6: I don't know if you answered this already, but how 431 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 6: are you feeling about this coach Campanelli defense? 432 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: For you personally, that's a lot of opportunity for me 433 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 4: getting odds back to the ball kind of what. 434 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 7: I grew up in a little bit for my first 435 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 7: three years. 436 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 4: Atlanta, where I felt like more of a playmaker and stuff. 437 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 4: I had some good years there, you know, trusting for 438 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 4: my boys. Now know what to do, so I can 439 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: really trust my breaks on the ball, go get the ball, 440 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 4: even when a running back hast the ball, being able 441 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 4: to punch it back because I know where to help 442 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: tackle is coming from the vice tackles and stuff. And 443 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 4: then when we were running other defenses, it's not that 444 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 4: old P. Carroll type defense, understanding that my stafety know 445 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 4: what they're doing where they're running the run, fits and stuff. 446 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 7: Understanding when I can play low when I have to 447 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 7: carry high. It's really cool for me. I like it. 448 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 6: Did you mentioned the sefety groups a few different times already? 449 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 6: Just how much how reassuring is it that you know 450 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 6: now these guys actually you know, I think. 451 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: It's so important, Like for the whole defense, you know 452 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: everybody's doing it, when you have trusted people behind you, 453 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: it's really cool. I'm seeing the growth that we take 454 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: as a whole defense and the growth that I'm taking 455 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 4: as a player just playing my play. I remember Coach 456 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 4: Callwell called me in a racer way back in the day, 457 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: And sometimes it hurts your because you're trying to make 458 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 4: sure everybody else is right. Obviously I'm around the ball 459 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: that you play, but I can just trust my play 460 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: and the ball get funneled back to me staying in 461 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: my gap. Then I feel like I can make even 462 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 4: more splash plays. And I think them knowing what they're 463 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 4: doing helps. 464 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 5: Me out even more. 465 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 7: Maybe they can communicate something I'm not even seeing. 466 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 2: Are you shocked to see what Travis Manner is able 467 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 2: to do go back and forward offense, defense? The conditioning 468 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: level that. 469 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: The conditioning and energy is crazy, and that's just who 470 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 4: he is, Like he always got high energy. 471 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 7: Yeah, and obviously you gotta. 472 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 4: Grow as a He's a young guy, so whatever he's 473 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: running into out there, I'm not with him all hours 474 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 4: of the day. Just be able to keep taking coaching 475 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 4: from other players, from. 476 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 7: Your coaches, and keep growing as a player. I think 477 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 7: the more he plays that he plays, the more he's 478 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 7: going to keep growing and say what should I do now? 479 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 7: What should I do now? 480 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 4: And it'll be cool to see how he takes off 481 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: and the player he can develop into.