1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to step 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio, and 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: we've made it half away, can you believe it? Halfway? 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Halfway ore mini series covering the Last of Us which 5 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: again is not sponsored by HREO Max currently, which is 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: a real shame. But the season this yeah, because they've 7 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: been renewed for a second season, is halfway through. Uh. 8 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: This is a nine episode thing that we're doing. Is 9 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 1: coming out on Saturdays. It's a special mini series and 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: the last one probably will be March eighteenth. The season 11 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: finale of the show is March twelve. Um. Anyone who's 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: listened to this knows it's one of a very favorite thing, 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: so very excited to talk about it as always, and 14 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: this was an episode I was very very very excited about. Yes, yes, 15 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: apologies to my friend Marissa who sits next to me 16 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: during our viewing parties, Samantha, because I might have given 17 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: some bruises. That's my excited on the arm, quite sure, 18 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: but she starts to poke excited yea, yeah, sorry Marissa. Um, 19 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: so as always, Uh, this will contain Spoilersure episode five, 20 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: the most recent episode called Endure and survive and all 21 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: the episodes that came out previously. I will do my 22 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: best not to spoil anything else, and Samantha will be 23 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: my guide in this as always as well. Um and yeah, 24 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: we will return to regularly scheduled programming, probably in Mark. 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: So yes, uh, content morning before we get into this 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: discussion of violence, death and suicide. I don't think we're 27 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: gonna get into anything too in depth, but those are 28 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: going to be topics of conversation. Correct, very good. I 29 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: think should we start with the recap? Yes, Samantha, give 30 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: us our recap? Right, I got the recap, um, and 31 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that we will be able to see them 32 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: before and after reaction of any of this episode. Even 33 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: though she predicted pretty much everything that would happen and 34 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: was correct, Um, she was still fun to watch. So 35 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: let's begin now. And at the end of episode four, 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: we saw Rutt Row, Ellie, and Joel being held by 37 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: gunpoint by Sam and Henry. But we start episode five 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: with a flashback of when Kansas City first got uh. 39 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: I guess the militia took over and took out feder 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: You hear people shouting freedom, freedom, free, free, and then 41 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: we see bodies pretty much of all the federal soldiers 42 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: who have been rounded at the murdered at this point executed. 43 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: We find out Kathleen as the leader and has done 44 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: some things brithon the collaborators who have pretty much told 45 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: on any of the rebellion rebels, essentially rebel militia teams 46 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: who believe were executed at that point by fedra Um. 47 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: And then she's trying to find Henry. We find out 48 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: that she's searching desperately and asking this whole crew of collaborators, 49 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: who she shames uh for giving up people for apples, 50 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: as she says, um, so just food and basic needs. 51 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: And after she says, you know, I we will give mercy. 52 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: Just tell us who where he is all these things, 53 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: and finally someone says he's with Dr Edelstein, who we 54 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: see earlier in episode four being executed and being questioned 55 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: about Henry and sam Um, and she's like, okay, well, good, 56 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: thank you. She walks out UH and Perry, who we 57 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: know was the voice of Tommy and the Game, who 58 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: is her right hand man, comes out and it's like, oh, 59 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: what are you doing. She's like, we got to find 60 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: him all these things, and then he's like oh, are 61 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: we actually gonna let have a trial? As what she said, 62 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: and she's she's like, no for the bodies, um. And 63 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: so in episode four we saw the pile of bodies 64 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: and this is what it's alluding to. So they have 65 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: executed all of the collaborators. At this point in time, 66 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: we do see that Henry and Sam are hiding UM 67 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: and they are being actually held by Dr Edelstein as 68 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: it is implied in episode four. We find out here 69 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: that Um, Sam is deaf, and so the way they 70 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: communicates obviously through sign language. UM. They are hiding up 71 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: in this attic essentially with provisions and just UM waiting 72 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: I guess for the best time to escape. At this 73 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: point in time, we also have a beautiful scene in 74 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: which Henry paints over his eyes to make him look 75 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: like a superhero, which we have already seen all the 76 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: drawings of throughout the attic where they were staying. And 77 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: this is what Sam does is he kind of draws 78 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: all these superheroes, alluding that he and his brother are 79 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: superheroes while they're hiding out Dr Edelstein because they've run 80 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: out of food, leaves to go give a more and 81 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: he never comes back. Obviously they're worried. Henry tries to 82 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: be a beam, like no, no no, no, he'll be fine. 83 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: Finally he figures out and just it mess yet he's 84 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: not coming back. It's ober. At this point, we see 85 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: from their point of view when Joel and Ellie come 86 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: crashing through and having the gun battle, and they're like 87 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: what's going on, even at one point thinking that Joel 88 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: may have seen him, and they're like, okay, moving on. 89 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: Then we find them sneaking and they find the glass. 90 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: They sneakily go past that glass because they know they 91 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: know um and they could sneak up on Joel and Ellie, 92 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: who wake up. And at this point Henry pretty much 93 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: makes a deal. He's like, hey, I know you're good. 94 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: I know you can get us out of here, you 95 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: can protect us. So let's make a deal. I'll tell 96 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: you how to get out of here if you will 97 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: five fours essentially, And of course we have Joel or 98 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: sad murdered dad being very sarcastic, like cool, how cool. 99 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Henry's like you, I don't want the way that sounded. 100 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: Ellie's trying to be like it's fine, it's fine. He's 101 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: just a jerk, he's just as an ask all these things. 102 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: She's like, man, come on. They do end up going 103 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: traveling together and they talk about He talks about he's 104 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: never murdered anybody. He doesn't even have bullets in the gun, 105 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: which apparently some people have looked at that scene and 106 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: said that he does. He just didn't have it in 107 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: the chamber at that point in time. What so um. 108 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: They come upon an agreement. Joel gives them food. Joel 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: Ellie give them food, and they're like, where'd you get this? 110 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: And he's like our friend who's dead talking about Bill 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: sad times um. And then they move on and they 112 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: talk about the fact that they can go under the 113 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: tunnels are under the ground because that is empty because 114 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: it's been rumored that Fedra put all of the clickers 115 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: and the bloaters, which they actually referenced clickers in this episode. 116 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, look at that. Yeah, I actually 117 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: called them a clicker. Um. That they've been all pushed 118 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: underground and therefore it's empty, and Henry knows how to 119 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: get out. All cool, all cool. So they make their 120 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: way down sneakily. They're sneaking, sneaking, sneaking, um, and they 121 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: come upon it what looks like a classroom, which is 122 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: an underground bunker where they apparently kept a lot of 123 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: the classrooms and such. Then we see a reference to 124 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: Ish and Annie. I know you'll come back to that later. 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: That is not necessarily important, but a good Easter egg. Um. 126 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: We also see that there's a mention of children and 127 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: what happened to the children, and it is not cute. 128 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: It's very very sad, and we'll talk about that later, 129 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: but the implication is obvious. But here we see Ellie 130 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: and Sam getting along. They already started getting along previously, 131 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: to the point that Henry is like, you know, it's 132 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: been a long time since I've seen him happy, Like 133 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: he's Sam having fun. And they're then getting along so well. 134 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: They play a little soccer and Ellie's able to convince him, hey, 135 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: we should stay here for the night. Might as well 136 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: so they get to see what we will see um 137 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: here as well as when you see it in the 138 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: game Uh. Comic that both Sam and Ellie really love. 139 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: They talked about it. The words endure and survive as 140 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: part of the motto or I guess the tagline to 141 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: these comics. As in fact, we have glasses because any 142 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: bot glasses for us, I says, endear and survive real talk. 143 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's where it's from. Well, yeah, we'll 144 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: play video games that this is, you know anyway, And 145 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: so at this point, you know, they're talking about what happened, 146 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: and Henry talked about the fact that Sam had leukemia 147 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: and the only way to get the good drugs to 148 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: help him was by ratting on Kathleen's brother who gets 149 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: murdered and gets caught. Um. So he did actually rat 150 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: on the brother. And we find in a conversation where 151 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: Kathleen is reminiscing in her bedroom, old bedroom, um about 152 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: how good her brother was and kind and caring um, 153 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: and that you know she isn't she's not nice, she's 154 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: not good. She she is she knows who she is, 155 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: and she is bad, she says, UM. And she's intest 156 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: to Perry. Don't try to convince me to forgive my 157 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: brother did that and look what it got him. He's dead. 158 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: So what's the matter. I need this vengeance essentially, And 159 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: he's like, you know what, You're the one who got 160 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: us out. You're the one who freed us, so we 161 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: will always follow you. Kind of things like good, and 162 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: so we move on where they're hunting them down, trying 163 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: to find Henry and Sam. Henry and Sam, Joel and 164 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: Ellie are all getting along nicely and they decide, Okay, 165 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: it's time to sneak out. It's time to go. So 166 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: there's a back way I believe, like through a tunnel, 167 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: all these things, and he has he has his plans. 168 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: As they're sneaking, Ellie's like, you know what, why don't 169 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: you come with us to Wyoming. There's plenty of any 170 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: and Joel's like, what the hell? And then she's like, 171 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: come on, Wyoming is big. I can go wherever. And 172 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: then she's like, don't worry. I could talk him into it, 173 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: you know how I beg and I won't stop the 174 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: I will you know. That was the point and then 175 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: oh no, shots ring out. Oh my god. So they 176 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: all have to scurry and we realize there is a 177 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: sharp shooter in the bell tower, in the tower and 178 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: the castle thing. So and we hear him shooting and 179 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: they he misses, and they're like, oh my god, he's 180 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: such a bad shot. And so of course Joel does 181 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: his thing. We just reminisce it to the game and 182 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: goes and sneaks up on the dude and finds him 183 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: in the tower, and he's gives him an option and 184 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: be like, man, give me the gun. Just give me 185 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: the gun and give it us an hour. Just give 186 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: us an hour before you want. Nope, he tries to 187 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: shoot him, so Joel has to take him out, and 188 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: the next thing we hear is on the radio Kathleen 189 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: saying hold them there, hold them there, rut row, and 190 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: we hear cars coming at the same time Joel screaming 191 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: run and everybody's super confused, and then there allies, Oh no, 192 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: here comes a giant truck again like the game, running 193 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: over trucks to get to Henry and Sam and Elie. 194 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: They go hide behind a car. They all come out. 195 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: Kathleen's that come on out, it's time. Oh bt dubs. 196 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: Joel does shoot the driver of the big truck that 197 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: runs over things, which causes it to crash into a 198 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: building and catch us on fire. Um. And so at 199 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: this point we see that Henry is uh considering coming out. 200 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: He does come out and like, hey, I got it there, kids. 201 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: I had to do what I had to do save 202 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: the kids, and She's like, nope, they're a part of 203 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: this too, and in this whole speech about destiny and 204 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 1: who's supposed to die and the children die, and that's 205 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: just what happens, very cold, very calculated, very cruel, all 206 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: of these conversations and the fact that one life is 207 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: not worth everything else, although she's doing the same thing 208 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: by saying that her brother was worth more than these kids, 209 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: so you know, there's a lot of conversations than that. Uh. 210 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden we hear as she's 211 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: about to pull the gun, pull the trigger and trying 212 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: to kill Henry. We hear a noise from where that 213 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: crash happened, as a car falls into a hole I 214 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: don't know joy to think of clickers, and the bloader 215 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: comes out and attacks everyone. So you hear chaos and 216 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: screaming and click clickers and all the cookers, and and 217 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: then this bloater who just picks up a man and 218 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: slams them down. That's the first thing we see, and 219 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: that bloaters ugly um. As this happens, Henry and Sam 220 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: trying to escape one way, and Ellie goes into a 221 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: car followed by a child clicker, which is ironic because 222 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: that's what we talked about the children, right, But then 223 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: we see Joel shooting them down. As we see in 224 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: the game, that's kind of the part of the game. 225 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: You will have to shoot the clickers to save Ellie, 226 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: and that's what happens. And as that goes down, she 227 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: runs away and she's going with Henry and Sam and 228 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: Kathine catches up with him and she's about to kill 229 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: them when she gets killed by a child clicker herself. 230 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: Oh dear. They finally make it to a house and 231 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: it's quiet, and you see Henry and Joel in one 232 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: room and Ellie and Sam in another room. And by 233 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: the way, they're communicating with an it just sketch type 234 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: of thing like the cheaper version. Sam writes to Ellie 235 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: and Ellie right back or talks back, and that's how 236 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: they communicate. Here we see Joel relent and say, yes, 237 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: you should come with us to Wyoming. I didn't mean 238 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: to judge you as a collaborator. I know you have 239 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: to do what you have to do, which he did 240 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: judge him a little bit because Joel is Joel said 241 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: murder dad um. And then we find out as Ellie 242 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: is talking to Sam, Sam says, what do you think 243 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: there's still people when when they become these clickers, you know, 244 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: do you think they still know and all these things 245 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: or are they just monsters? And she says, you know, 246 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: I believe, I believe you know, they do all these things. 247 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: It was really sad. And then he asked her her 248 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: biggest beer and she's like, you know, uh, scorpions and 249 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to die alone or not being alone. 250 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: And then we see a moment and he shows her 251 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: his leg. Oh no, he's bit and she thinks that. 252 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: She's like, you know what, my blood secure, that's what 253 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing. So she cuts herself, rubs it on the blood. 254 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: She's like, I'll stay with you, wake all night. Roll 255 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: cut to the morning, she's like Sam and yeah, Sam 256 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: attacks her because he's become a zombie and he's about 257 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: to cry um and as he attacks her, he they 258 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: bust out the room. Uh. But Henry realized that was happening, 259 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: grabs a gun away from Joel. Joel tries to stop, 260 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: but Henry shoots at him to stop him. And Henry 261 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: you could tell it's confused and upset and doesn't know 262 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: what to do. And then he shoots Sam in the 263 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: head and as he sits there he isn't shock and 264 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: he's like, what did I do? What did I do? 265 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Shoots himself because he's in too much pain. Um, And 266 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: the next thing we see is Joel burying the two 267 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: and uh, Ellie trying to act tough even though Joel's 268 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: trying to kind of kind of be sympathetic. You could 269 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: tell he wants to be the fatherly, comforting guy. But 270 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: she's done, she's done. She puts down the pat and 271 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: says I'm sorry, and she says, how do we go? West? 272 00:14:50,800 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: And of the story. Yeah, it was a tough one. 273 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: It's a hard one. Yeah, Yeah, I've loved how many 274 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: people have just texted me randomly about it, like why 275 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: crying emojis, Like yeah, I know, it's I believe. The 276 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: spoiler that we've given is none of them are happy. 277 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: Now you might have like little moments of happiness just 278 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,119 Speaker 1: like they do, but in actuality, the whole thing is traumatic, 279 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: tragic and sad and scary. Indeed so fun, so fun. Yes, 280 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: there is a lot to cover in this one, so 281 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: let's jump right in. First. I did want to mention 282 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: as you were doing the excellent recap as always, and 283 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: you did excellent impression, but Ellie calls it his asked 284 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: voice um, when he's kind of like not helping out 285 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: with Henry and Sam, and she's trying to really bridge 286 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: the gap between them, which I thought was funny. You 287 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: do see the progression of the sad murder Dad trope, 288 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: which again Joel is like, excellent. Uh, like if you 289 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: looked at up in a dictionary. Um. You have a 290 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: moment where Henry thinks Ellie is Joel's daughter and they 291 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: both say at the same time, like nope, my dad. 292 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: Hope because he goes like, you're dead, cynical, not my dad. Yes. 293 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: And we will talk more about that in a minute, 294 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: because I do feel like me and one of my 295 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: good friends who uh loves this game and played it 296 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: many times, Katie who comes to a lot of the 297 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: watch parties as well, we were talking about it and 298 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: how when you watch like the post credits, like when 299 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: the creators are talking about it, it feels so heavy 300 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: handed when you like, no, what happens right, But I'm 301 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: sure like if you don't know, it doesn't feel that way. 302 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: But when you're like, why would you say that? Everyone 303 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: will know. We'll talk about that in a second. I 304 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: did want to talk about the Bloater, which I know. 305 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: I saw it trending on Twitter, the little emoji bloats 306 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: an emogi. Oh, I didn't know that. Well. I think 307 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: it's one of those special ones they do for like promotional, 308 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's like when I could get 309 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: on my phone, which is unfortunate, But um, the Bloater 310 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: is really cool. I was like, I was watching how 311 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: they like made it happen. It's like this really tall 312 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: stunt person and like eighty pounds of prosthetics. But the Bloater. 313 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: So if you have the timeline of zombies, basically you 314 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: have your runner and then you have Clicker and then 315 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: you have a Bloater. So Bloater has been around for 316 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: a long time and they can they joked about it 317 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: in episode two. They can shoot out these like acid 318 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: bomb acid spore bombs to infect you very very deadly. 319 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: In the game. You meet them when you're with Bill. 320 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: That's the first time you meet them. But I like 321 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: that they put it here. It felt like I saw 322 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot of reviews and headlines that were like if 323 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: if people keep calling it a quote prestige drama, which 324 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about. But if a 325 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: prestige drama had like a boss battle feet prestige trauma, 326 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: I know, but it was I mean, it was like 327 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: the all of the clickers coming up, all of the 328 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: runners coming up, and then you hear that like croaking 329 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: sound of the bloater emerging from like hill because there's 330 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: like smoke and red who and he rips off? Perry 331 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: does he ripped his hill off? I mean, come on, Perry. Yeah, 332 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: he's hard to beat. He is difficult to beat. But 333 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: that was cool And and Craig Mice amazing, the creator 334 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: Shaw runner of it, said he wanted one example at 335 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: least because there haven't been that many zombies. As we've 336 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: discussed in the show, Um of like how did humanity lose? 337 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: And this was just such a like overwhelming force coming 338 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: from the ground and just running, running all the humans 339 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: down and then the humans become Yes. Yes, the child 340 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: clicker was a nice touch that was not in the game. 341 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: The sniper scene is in the game also when you 342 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: see Ellie she runs over to try to help Um, 343 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: Henry and Sam, and she brings out her knife and 344 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: stabs the clicker in the neck. That's that's a big 345 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: moment of the game because she you do play as 346 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: her Um and I'm going to talk about that more later, 347 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: not in this episode, but later. And one of her 348 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: big differences she has with because she doesn't have like 349 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: the physical prowess. Obviously she doesn't have that many weapons, 350 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: but she has this knife and she's small and she's 351 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,719 Speaker 1: much more stealthy, so she can kill a clicker where's 352 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: Joel can't always because he needs a shift you have 353 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: to make a shift or find a shift. But she 354 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: always has a knife, so she can if you're sneaky enough, 355 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: she can take down the clickers. So that was cool 356 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 1: to see. Ish was definitely a really fun Easter Egg. 357 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: It's a tragic story. It's one of those things where 358 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,199 Speaker 1: in the game, again, you could mostly miss it. You 359 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: have to go through that area, but it's a lot 360 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: You find out a lot of the story and what 361 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: went wrong through notes, so you can miss a lot 362 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: of that. But basically, Ish was this guy who retreated 363 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: into the sewers Um after the outbreak happened, and Um 364 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: he tried to he was he was really about like 365 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: saving people in a way that a lot of people 366 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: like Joel weren't Um where he he made it kind 367 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: of just like if I can find people and I 368 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: can like make this community and we can have it 369 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: here and can be safety. Had all these rules and 370 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: they had all these kids, and basically somebody follow the 371 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: rules and let in somebody was infected, and then that 372 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: got everybody in there. And it's really sad when you 373 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: go through, when you're reading the notes and you go 374 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: into the Kidnergarden room. Oh oh my god. But it 375 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: was cool that they included it. Um, But that was 376 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: definitely something. I just got random texts that night that 377 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: were just ish. Yes, And I love how many people 378 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: are playing the game now and they will get to 379 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: their first bloater and they'll just I'll get like live 380 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: messaging about fighting it and I'm like, yes, I love 381 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: this is so good. Um, as you said. And during 382 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Survives a comic book series that Ellie really loves, and 383 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: it is one of those few well, they become fewer 384 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: and fewer things of kind of her like youth and 385 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 1: innocence and curiosity that show like, oh, she's still really 386 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: young in this in this world and she so in 387 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: the game. It's sort of a thing where you can 388 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: try to find them for her as playing playing Joel 389 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: and so she'll be happy read them, um, which is 390 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: is really cool. I think one of the big things 391 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: that we're seeing in this episode that they didn't show 392 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: as early in the game as they're showing now, UM, 393 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: is Ellie's survivor's guilt of being someone who survived the 394 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: bite and really wanting to help other people. Yeah, because 395 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: that was really heartbreaking her trying to cure uh Sam 396 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: after he'd been bitten and then feeling that guilted, like writing, 397 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry leaving it there right, Um, But that that 398 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: is like a very big part of her story, and 399 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: I think they're showing it a lot earlier, more viscerally 400 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: and earlier than they did in the game, And that 401 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: that conversation, it was very well done, um, with the 402 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: a sl and the kind of etching sketch thing. That 403 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: conversation in the game is like burned in my brain. 404 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: When they have the you don't know Sam's infected yet 405 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: and he's asking like, what's your biggest here, and she says, yeah, 406 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm scared of ending up alone. Um. And then they 407 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: could talk about like whether or not they believe in God, 408 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: and they talk about souls and whether or not zombies. Yeah, 409 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: souls are still in there. So that's the whole thing 410 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: that I would keep in the old brain. Uh. That 411 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: gets us one way to say it. Keep it in that, 412 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: keep it in the old brain. Yeah. And then obviously 413 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: the story of Henry and Sam was like the key 414 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: piece of this and it was one like people who 415 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: knew we were like, oh no, what are they gonna do? 416 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Are they gonna handle it? Um? In the game? Uh, 417 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: Sam is not deaf, So I thought that was cool. 418 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: And I liked the behind the scenes of how they 419 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: kind of learned as L with the a s L 420 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: trainer on sets Um. That was really cool. There was 421 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: like Kathleen's kind of able is um around Sam basically 422 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: I guess deserving to die after he got his leukemia 423 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: diagnosis or not mean more saving, I guess it's a 424 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: better way of saying it. But they are supposed to 425 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: be sort of the mirror of Ellie and Joel, these 426 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: other two people where you've got kind of the protector 427 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: and the the kid trying to make their way in 428 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: this world. And in the game, they're trying to get 429 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: to the Firefly place, just like you are. Uh. And 430 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: Jewel is always like Firefly and he's like well, why 431 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: are you going man? But it was a moment where 432 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: you get to see this bonding of Sam and Ellie, 433 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: of seeing this kind of childlike innocence. This is also 434 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: something you can actually miss in the game. There's a 435 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: lot of really small moments you can have of like 436 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: them playing darts together, sharing like blueberries together, that you 437 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: can miss, but they definitely put that in in the 438 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: in the game. And also, as we discussed in the 439 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: last one, you do see this cycle of violence of 440 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Kathleen's brother dying and then her killing all these people 441 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: to find Henry, who turned in Kathleen's brother to save 442 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: sam Um and just that the cycle of that and 443 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: the conversation that Henry and Joel have together where Henry's like, 444 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm the bad guy, right, I did a bad guy thing. 445 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: I turned this guy and who he respected and really admired, 446 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: and Joel kind of being like notably silent until later 447 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: he's also a little bit judgmental, Like it's weirdly like 448 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: hypocritical of him being judgmental, but he does because he's like, well, 449 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: he also doesn't like fed in himself, but right, right, 450 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: I think Joel's just so closed off about like people 451 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: in general that he's got all these walls and is 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: not going to listen, doesn't want to be around anybody. 453 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons he changed that why 454 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: he finally invited Henry and Sam to go with him 455 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: at the end, it's because he saw Henry protect Ellie, 456 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: because Ellie was in trouble and Henry kind of came 457 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: in to save her when Joel was up sniping from above, 458 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: and I think at that moment he was like, okay, 459 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: he he could be useful and he helped protect her, 460 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and I think it's part of him was like, it 461 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: is nice that she has somebody she can talk to 462 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: that's her own ish age. But then like this is 463 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: the when you get to Sam being infected and Henry 464 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: taking his own life after killing him. That's kind of 465 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: the like we're seeing Henry being willing to do anything 466 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: to protect Sam, and then what happens when that's gone, 467 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: Like his whole purpose was that what happens when that's gone, 468 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: And he was the one that had to kill him, 469 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: and that's it was. It was just such like heartbreaking, 470 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: heartbreaking scene. Um and it is so at the end 471 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: when the creators were talking about it and they were talking. 472 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,959 Speaker 1: They said, like, you know how many people you you 473 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: sacrifice for the one you love? Um, what are these 474 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: choices that you make? And Craig mis and said, these 475 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: are decisions that love makes, not rationality. And and look 476 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: what happens when you choose vengeance, which is a theme 477 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 1: over and over again in these games. Oh my god. Um. 478 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: And kind of her Kathleen having this whole speech like 479 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, you think your whole world revolves around this 480 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: one kid, that's what happens when you with fate and 481 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: then and then what happens to kids exactly the conquence 482 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: and kill you because she knew, she ignored that there 483 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: was this like sinkhole where they knew they were infected, 484 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: and she ignored it because she wanted vengeance more, these 485 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: were the consequences of choosing that, um. And then yes, 486 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: the child clicker gets her in the end, but that 487 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: that is a recurring theme in this and it was interesting, 488 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: like her whole speech about forgiveness, like where's the justice 489 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: in that? Where what was the point in that? Because 490 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: she says her brother would have wanted her to forgive 491 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: He told her to forget them Henry, Yes, that was 492 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: his last dying wish and she didn't do it, and 493 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: then that kind of goes back to the point I 494 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: made that I'm definitely going to talk about in the 495 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: last episode, but in the previous one, where you know, 496 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: when you're kind of the things you do in the 497 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: name of love that are really pretty selfish. Um, that's 498 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: like we've talked about this a million times. Forgiveness is hard, 499 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: it's personal, I get it, but this is like she 500 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: was gonna kill those skids. It's gonna kill those kids. No, 501 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: And one thing I want to touch on that makes 502 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: these games so painful. So you see the scene of 503 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: Ellie trying to save Henry and Sam from the clickers 504 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: and then trying to save Sam from the bite to 505 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: be she wanted to be like a savior or hero 506 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: and then you lose anyway. That happens a lot in 507 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: the games where you'll like literally spend hours trying to 508 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: save somebody and then they die anyway, and it is 509 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: it's like incredibly painful. But though this is like one 510 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: of the key moments I think in her character, and 511 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: also on the flip side, Joel is beginning to understand 512 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: that he does somehow Ellie has worn him down with 513 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: her questions and her persistence and her puns, and he's realizing, 514 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: like when he's looking at the grave of Henry and Sam, 515 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: like what would happen? He thinks that that would be 516 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: them and it will ruin him if he loses her. 517 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: Uh So that's a pretty big turning point in their relationship. 518 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Oh my, oh my. I did want to go over 519 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: some things really quickly that I have just been happening, 520 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: because again, we don't really research these so much as 521 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: just we watched them together and I red I see 522 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: headlines and I get text about them, emails about them sometimes. Um. 523 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: I did see actress who plays Kathleen talk about body 524 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: shaming she has received for knots being super thin. I 525 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: suppose she has had to deal with for a while 526 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: now her Emmy Award winning acting. I believe she wanted 527 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: Emmy for a Yellow Jacket, which by the way, is 528 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: really good if you haven't watched it. And uh, they 529 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: started in on her at the very beginning and her 530 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: continually having to justify why she's fine with her body, 531 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: which is hilariously sad. Um. I know that's the oxymoron, 532 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: but it's just so tiresome. But yeah, once again she's 533 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: getting body shaming, and I believe it was by an 534 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: influencer or someone famous, someone famous criticized her. I can't 535 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: remember who was, and it was unnecessary. There's no there's 536 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: no reason to point out any other thing outside of 537 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: their acting. She was in a damn jacket in a 538 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: freezing cold weather. What the hell? Right? Yeah, no need, 539 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: no need at all. I did like that. The actor 540 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 1: who plays Perry Slash, Tommy's voice actor came out and spoke, 541 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: like in in camaraderie with our likely stop it's what's 542 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: the reason, right right? And then I saw Bella Ramsey 543 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,239 Speaker 1: just sort of released a statement about the backlash some 544 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: of the queer storylines have gotten and basically she was like, 545 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: get over it got on her. Yeah yeah, and this 546 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: happens when the game came out as well. Um, people 547 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: are really a certain sect of gamers were really really 548 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: mad about it. And I know we talked about it 549 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: in our I think our Ellie episode. We did because 550 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: Ashley Johnson, who plays Ellie, said, you know, people have 551 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: come up to her and been like, I'm so glad 552 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: these games exist because I don't see that very often 553 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: these kind of queer storylines very often, so I'm sure 554 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: we'll have more to say about that. So we're speaking 555 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: of um and my my vague up next, which is 556 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: so stop now if you don't want any spoilers, if 557 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: you're that person who doesn't like the previews coming up, staffs, yes, 558 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: because this is nothing more you'll than you'll get in 559 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: the trailer. But if you are like somebody who just 560 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: like not even the trailer, friends like that, I do too, 561 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: do too. Number one, we're gonna get the dramatic reunion 562 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: with Tommy finally, finally, m m. There's gonna be a 563 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: big come to Jesus moment and I won't say anymore 564 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: about it, but there will be a big one, and 565 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: there will also be a pretty big cliffingler. I think 566 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: I can, but I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a cliffinger. Yeah. So, 567 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: and I need to know from the listeners who actually 568 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: watched on Friday and who waited until Sunday. Yeah, it 569 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: was like, screw that football game. It was me. I 570 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: watched it again. I know you did, you a whole plan. 571 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: I did, and it was wonderful and glorious. Also, we 572 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: went through a work function and I took the pun 573 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: book and I was kind of dressed like Ellie and 574 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: I just read dressed like Ellie. What do you mean? 575 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: I didn't have the whole backpack. You didn't have a backpack. Ok, 576 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: there was more I could have done, um, but I 577 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: was definitely reading people puns. And my favorite was our 578 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: friend and co worker Alex kept coming up to me 579 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: randomly and was like, give me another one, and then 580 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: he wouldn't laugh at all. He would just walk away 581 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: after Well, at one point he did come back and say, Okay, 582 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: that was a bad one. We do yes, which is 583 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: how the game is. That's exactly how it works in 584 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: the game. UM. Yes, Well, I'm very very excited. It's 585 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: gonna be good. I can't wait. Well, listeners, UM, I 586 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: hope you're enjoying this series, whether you've played the game, 587 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: washed the show or not. 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