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Speaker 2: Welcome in, We'll drive in the Great episode two ninety four.
Speaker 2: Appropriately dressed today with the Chiefs Colors villain sweatshirt. He got,
Speaker 2: all right, you need a bad guy, will be your
Speaker 2: bad guy. I You are gonna unbelievable. The amount of
Speaker 2: whining and bitching and moaning from folks at the praying
Speaker 2: at the altar, defending a Texans team that did everything
Speaker 2: you do to lose a game. Terrible special teams. Check
Speaker 2: lose your composure, check score one touchdown on offense, check
Speaker 2: all the refs, every single one of those calls. Everyone's
Speaker 2: complaining about having when the Chiefs had the ball. The
Speaker 2: Texans big advantage is their defensive line. Their guy got
Speaker 2: sacked eight times their guy. So but that's fine. I
Speaker 2: part of me understands it because I will admit, during
Speaker 2: the midst of the Patriots dynasty, I felt like they
Speaker 2: got all the calls, so I empathize. But what was
Speaker 2: tied to the Patriots. The feeling of the unfairness with
Speaker 2: the Patriots was the multiple documented cheating scandals that they
Speaker 2: lost half picks or had their quarterback suspended four so
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, it feels like it might not
Speaker 2: all be above board. The Chiefs invite a pop star
Speaker 2: to a game and people are like, man, the NFL's
Speaker 2: rigging it. By the way, how would that work. I'm
Speaker 2: just curious when they're like, the NFL is rigging it.
Speaker 2: We know the NFL is just thirty two owners of
Speaker 2: other teams. They're like, guys, here's the plan. We're screwing
Speaker 2: our own team, and the Texans owners like, gosh darn it.
Speaker 2: All right, fine, I'm in on it, but I don't
Speaker 2: like it. Boys, but I'm in on it. So it's
Speaker 2: not the owner, So who is it? Roger Goodell, who
Speaker 2: works for the owners and makes sixty million a year.
Speaker 2: Sixty million a year, highest speed person in sports. More
Speaker 2: he might make all in more than show. Hey, and
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, at the risk of ruining the
Speaker 2: greatest gig in sports, I just gotta tell you. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna tell Cleate Blakeman fifty to fifty calls, give
Speaker 2: him to the chiefs every time, morons. We'll get to
Speaker 2: that in a moment, but first, demand's good to see you.
Speaker 2: We didn't talk this weekend, A tough spot for your ravens.
Speaker 2: Feel like we've been here before. We'll get to that
Speaker 2: in a moment, but we'll do the show as schedule
Speaker 2: as we normally do. Here's what missed the cut. This
Speaker 2: is where I hate the producers. I have a very
Speaker 2: carefully curated social media feed to where I have avoided
Speaker 2: everything about this young man Rizzler. I don't know who
Speaker 2: he is. I don't know how he got famous. I
Speaker 2: know nothing about him. But now he's leading the show
Speaker 2: because he was at the football game. TikTok bandon unbanded.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, nice, I really don't know. Is that what
Speaker 2: he wore? I have no idea I thought for if
Speaker 2: you would have asked me three weeks ago. I thought
Speaker 2: Baby Gronk's nickname was Rizzler. I didn't know these were
Speaker 2: two different kids who were gonna have be parents are
Speaker 2: taking advantage of them, and changes to the national spelling
Speaker 2: be have. I I'm on one today and I know
Speaker 2: people want the football commentaries grace football week in the year.
Speaker 2: Have I ever told the audience? Have I even ever
Speaker 2: told you demanse my spelling bee history?
Speaker 3: Have I ever believe?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have. Maybe I know I
Speaker 2: haven't told it to the audience, but real quick, so
Speaker 2: I every year, for like however long you do spelling
Speaker 2: me five six years, I'm not sure. Every year crushed
Speaker 2: my school spelling bee crushed. There was some like my
Speaker 2: local spelling bee, because then you advanced to like the
Speaker 2: you know, like the district or whatever, and then every
Speaker 2: single year at either sectionals or regionals before you got
Speaker 2: to the nationals, the biggest of the big stage not
Speaker 2: only would not win it, but would trip up over
Speaker 2: a word I got right before, like just disaster, year
Speaker 2: after year after year. And then in my student newspaper
Speaker 2: at my school there was somebody took a shot at me,
Speaker 2: like made fun of me about like like yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: and my and my mom and my sister, my mom
Speaker 2: and my sister, like it went. After this person came
Speaker 2: to my defense, was like this shouldn't be allowed. These
Speaker 2: are fellow student all of it all right, So I
Speaker 2: just made that whole story up. But in that story,
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson is me the speller. I'm the kid in
Speaker 2: the student newspaper, and everyone else in the media is
Speaker 2: my mom and my sister. Why are you being so mean?
Speaker 2: He does so well at the local level. Why are
Speaker 2: you pointing this out? So let's just have the conversation.
Speaker 2: They'll say it again.
Speaker 4: The analogy you're at school. You can't do that at school.
Speaker 4: We can't like cast somebody else.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: The analogy was I'm the greatest ever and then the
Speaker 2: stakes get high and I don't play like myself, and
Speaker 2: somebody had the audacity to be like, hey, this seems relevant.
Speaker 2: And the reason the story was believable is because, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a fair criticism, but your mom and your sister
Speaker 2: wouldn't want you to be criticized like that. But in reality,
Speaker 2: it's one of the highest profile athletes in the world.
Speaker 2: One guy in me, who's like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 2: I'd maybe pump the brakes on giving him all of
Speaker 2: the awards you can receive every year, and then everyone
Speaker 2: else in the media being like, oh, be nice. Come on,
Speaker 2: I gotta listen to Dan Orlovsky being like, if you
Speaker 2: blame anyone for the Ravens loss, you're a loser. Shut up.
Speaker 2: This is the listen. Go coach a team like they
Speaker 2: at the Well, we'll get to that in a minute, demons,
Speaker 2: Let's do the Ravens game.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, So Lamar obviously didn't put that narrative to
Speaker 4: bed when he played up against the Bills on Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so we we obviously know he tends to taper off
Speaker 4: in the postseason. Do you think that this might have
Speaker 4: been more on somebody else or is this all Lamar?
Speaker 3: Where are you putting the blame?
Speaker 2: Beer's certainly not all Lamar. And the second half rally
Speaker 2: was a positive sign. No, this could have gone totally
Speaker 2: sideways on it and it could have been career defining,
Speaker 2: and instead he did rally and play well in the
Speaker 2: second half, and they almost had a chance to tie,
Speaker 2: or they did have a chance to tie the game
Speaker 2: and be at that moment, plus four hundred underdog. Like,
Speaker 2: here's where I will The Mark Andrews fumble was brutal.
Speaker 2: The Mark Andrews drop was brutal in how it looked.
Speaker 2: But here is where the gambler and math part of
Speaker 2: my brain were just gonna actually tease this out. Guys.
Speaker 2: If Mark Andrews catches that two point conversion, what's the
Speaker 2: live money line? Because I think the Bills are minus
Speaker 2: four hundred. You know, like that's insane. Okay, well, let's
Speaker 2: talk it through. It would have been Bill's ball a
Speaker 2: minute thirty three left, two timeouts. What is the percent
Speaker 2: chance that you hold them to zero points? What is it?
Speaker 2: Fifty percent? I think lower, but they had just driven
Speaker 2: all the way down the field and got into the
Speaker 2: one yard line. I say it's probably thirty percent, but
Speaker 2: let's call it fifty percent. You hold them to zero points,
Speaker 2: you have a coin flip chance at that, and then
Speaker 2: the game goes to overtime. That's a fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: proposition as well. With two teams this evenly matched, So
Speaker 2: you were a two point conversion away from being one
Speaker 2: in four at best to win the game at best.
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna kill Mark Andrews, but he was brutal,
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna kill Lamar. But what I'm also
Speaker 2: not going to do is be gaslighted by other media
Speaker 2: members that have just changed the definitions of how we
Speaker 2: judge athletes for one specific player. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do it. And I'm also not going to engage in
Speaker 2: the level of intellectual, in my opinion, dishonesty that folks
Speaker 2: are engaging in. And I want to say this on
Speaker 2: the front end. Almost every person I got into Twitter
Speaker 2: exchange with yesterday. In fact, yeah, every person I got
Speaker 2: into Twitter exchange with yesterday I like. And one of them,
Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell, I have said for fifteen years since I
Speaker 2: was doing radio in Kansas City, I think he is
Speaker 2: the smartest person in the world that covers the NFL,
Speaker 2: which is what makes this stuff so disappointing to me.
Speaker 2: At its base base level, you have a player in
Speaker 2: Lamar who all year long. It's not only that he
Speaker 2: just had four interceptions, it's that the folks who were
Speaker 2: arguing he should be MVP again would show you those
Speaker 2: four interceptions, and we've all seen the clips. None were
Speaker 2: his fault. Actually three of them hit the receiver's hands.
Speaker 2: So really, he went all year without a horrendous throw
Speaker 2: that was intercepted, and on the second drive of the
Speaker 2: playoff game made his worst pass of the year. They
Speaker 2: would also tell you all year long he avoided the
Speaker 2: awful mistakes, and then on the third drive of the
Speaker 2: playoff game set the ball on the ground without anyone
Speaker 2: touching his upper body. And then they would also tell
Speaker 2: you that his escapability and maneuverability in the pocket and
Speaker 2: his ability to remain a pocket passer while avoiding the
Speaker 2: rush is what differentiates him. And then on the fourth
Speaker 2: drive of the game, took a horrendous sack that took
Speaker 2: him out from the two yard line to the eight
Speaker 2: yard line, probably cost him four points. And then they
Speaker 2: would also tell you, because I remember it during Raven's Bengals,
Speaker 2: when Burrow was playing great, Lamar was playing great. Difference
Speaker 2: between Burrow and Lamar, one of them is Burrow couldn't
Speaker 2: get those two point conversions that he needed. Lamar can
Speaker 2: get him with his arms, with his legs, with anything.
Speaker 2: And then not the Mark Andrew's two point conversion the
Speaker 2: one before after Derrick Henry gets you all the way
Speaker 2: down the field, they put the ball in Lamar's hands,
Speaker 2: he doesn't run, he tries to pass ball, gets batted down.
Speaker 2: All those things happened. None of those things were happening
Speaker 2: during the regular season. And I'm an a because I
Speaker 2: think the guy's a different player in the postseason. The
Speaker 2: last time Lamar Jackson had multiple turnovers in a game,
Speaker 2: any guesses context clues, it makes into what I'm saying
Speaker 2: the last play the playoffs game against the Chiefs, the
Speaker 2: AFC Championship game. So he goes all year without a
Speaker 2: multi multi turnover game and then bang, first half happens.
Speaker 2: Now again he rallied and played well. But it is
Speaker 2: so patronizing to the player for a guy who, if
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers retires, will have more First team All Pros
Speaker 2: than the rest of the quarterbacks in the the NFL combined.
Speaker 2: Who a guy, if Vegas is correct, is about to
Speaker 2: win his third MVP, So all time MVP list will
Speaker 2: be Peyton won, Aaron Rodgers two, Lamar Jackson three, same
Speaker 2: amount as Tom Brady, more than Patrick Mahomes or Joe Montana.
Speaker 2: That that guy gets judged on the same standard that
Speaker 2: people were holding Brock Purty to last year in the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was brutal in the first half, but he rallied
Speaker 2: in the second and PTY at least won those games.
Speaker 2: And then we have folks twisting themselves in knots to argue, actually,
Speaker 2: he was good, and that's the part that I can't abide.
Speaker 2: And this is what Bill and Ben and Steven that
Speaker 2: I was arguing with on Twitter yesterday. We're arguing it
Speaker 2: wasn't that just that, Nick, It's just one game.
Speaker 3: It was no.
Speaker 2: Actually, Lamar was really good yesterday. That was the argument, Yead.
Speaker 2: He was actually really good. Yes, he made two mistakes
Speaker 2: which took points off the board, put the team in
Speaker 2: a hole, got them out of their game plan. They
Speaker 2: didn't feel comfortable just leaning on Derrick Henry all of that.
Speaker 2: But he was actually really good. And that's simply not
Speaker 2: how playoff football works. There is no such thing as
Speaker 2: the game where you make the mistakes that set the
Speaker 2: table for your team to lose. Your team then loses,
Speaker 2: and you played really well. And the idea that we
Speaker 2: ever hold good but not great near the end of
Speaker 2: their career tight ends to the same standard as smack
Speaker 2: dab in the middle of your prime defending MVP likely
Speaker 2: repeat MVP quarterback is just dishonest. So let's go through
Speaker 2: the tweets and we'll start with my friend Ben Solak,
Speaker 2: who I think is excellent. And I said this at
Speaker 2: the front end on the front end, where Ben says,
Speaker 2: I'm very surprised he made such bad mistakes in the
Speaker 2: first half, as he's avoided them those all season. Extremely
Speaker 2: unlike him. Pause, and this is demand's ware and listen,
Speaker 2: I know you don't like my Lamar opinions, and so
Speaker 2: maybe you'll maybe you're more with them than with me.
Speaker 2: But I think that's I think that first clause there
Speaker 2: is wrong. It's not extremely unlike him at all. In
Speaker 2: the playoffs, He's played eight playoff games, four of them
Speaker 2: he's had multiple turnovers. He's played ninety four regular season games,
Speaker 2: fourteen of those he's had multiple turnovers. It is extremely
Speaker 2: unlike him in the regular season. Happens all the time
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. And then I Ben, and this to
Speaker 2: me is where guys are. They are smarter than their
Speaker 2: Lamar defense allows them to be. Because Ben wrights and
Speaker 2: we can say if we go back to that, Sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: of course, this is the difference between Mahomes and Alan
Speaker 2: Lamar Burrow everyone. Mahomes has nearly never failed in these moments,
Speaker 2: whereas everyone else has a few. That's not the difference.
Speaker 2: It's not Mahomes versus these guys. It's that we have
Speaker 2: four right now, Mount rushmore current quarterbacks. Do we agree
Speaker 2: demanse those four Mahomes, Alan Burrow, Lamar everyone on the
Speaker 2: same page that those are the guys. Now. Jaden is
Speaker 2: trying to elbow his way in there, and we'll get
Speaker 2: to him in a moment, but those are the guys, right,
Speaker 2: those are the guys. Yes, Mahomes has elevated past the others,
Speaker 2: but what the others have is a playoff run or
Speaker 2: two where they also answered the bell every time. So
Speaker 2: positioning it as it's not just about do you ever fail,
Speaker 2: it's do you ever not have your worst game of
Speaker 2: the season in the play playoffs. Burrows had played the
Speaker 2: playoff run in twenty twenty one and the playoff run
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. Burrow was good to very good
Speaker 2: every time. Josh Allen in twenty twenty one was superb
Speaker 2: in both those games. Josh Allen in twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: was superb and then good in both of those games.
Speaker 2: So that's the differentiator. Now we'll keep going, We'll go
Speaker 2: through these because this is meaningful. And so I just
Speaker 2: explained that tweet. So let's we can go back to
Speaker 2: Ben and this is where I say, what are we
Speaker 2: doing well? I'd say Lamar was pretty good in this run.
Speaker 2: Say for exactly two plays, pause it. What is this run?
Speaker 2: Played two games? One of them was excellent, the other
Speaker 2: one the two plays lost your team the game. So
Speaker 2: that's not a to me, that is not a a
Speaker 2: an idea that exists.
Speaker 3: God please lose you the game.
Speaker 4: But like you have to finish the game out and
Speaker 4: he showed up, you know, Like I think it's like
Speaker 4: once the turnovers happen, it's like it's nothing you could do.
Speaker 4: But like after that, I think it's about, you know,
Speaker 4: how you play after that and how you build on it.
Speaker 4: And I think he did the best he possibly could have.
Speaker 4: Like it's like they have so.
Speaker 2: That so that part, so I don't know why people
Speaker 2: wouldn't say that, Which is the argument that you're forming
Speaker 2: there is you Nick, you should be more optimistic about
Speaker 2: Lamar in the postseason moving forward because of how he
Speaker 2: rallied in the second half. Okay, that's a legitimate discussion
Speaker 2: because he could have crumbled. They were down double digits.
Speaker 2: He fought them almost all the way back. They did
Speaker 2: have a chance to tie the game. Now, I again,
Speaker 2: they still would have been a significant dog, but whatever,
Speaker 2: that's legitimate. But that is totally different than he And
Speaker 2: let's go back to Ben's tweet, he was excellent in
Speaker 2: this game. Are in this run aside from two plays,
Speaker 2: and then this is where we get to I think
Speaker 2: just a fundamental misunderstanding of how you evaluate football, which
Speaker 2: is sample sized stuff. Excellent playoff run isn't super interesting
Speaker 2: to me when a player's career is six seasons old.
Speaker 2: It's seven. But that's fine, especially in a conference this stacked.
Speaker 2: If you asked me for a market on Will Lamar
Speaker 2: of a consensus excellent playoff run at some point in
Speaker 2: his career, I'd price it at like minus one thousand, Lol. Okay,
Speaker 2: and Ben that the that's a if you'd price it
Speaker 2: at that, we can lay that wager because I don't
Speaker 2: that Peyton never did. I don't know that Marino ever did.
Speaker 2: And those are two of the greatest quarterbacks ever. So
Speaker 2: let's just you guys and producers. We can just roll
Speaker 2: through these and I'll get to the and so he
Speaker 2: then responds to me he entered knuck led mode when
Speaker 2: he had spent all season avoiding it. Extremely frustrating. I
Speaker 2: just don't think it's nearly as predictive as of future
Speaker 2: postseason performance, and what possibly could be predictive of future
Speaker 2: postseason performance than one's entire postseason career. Then, and maybe
Speaker 2: there is just a belief some people have that I
Speaker 2: do not share that playoff football is no different than
Speaker 2: regular season football. But I think we're seeing we have
Speaker 2: seen this this weekend. The quarterback with the better stats
Speaker 2: has not really fared that well, except for Commander's Lions.
Speaker 2: It's the it's the quarterback who's been able to avoid disaster. Now,
Speaker 2: at some point we'll have an old school quarterback duel
Speaker 2: where both guys play great. We haven't had it yet.
Speaker 2: The weather gets tougher, the defenses get tougher, players get
Speaker 2: more nervous. And let's roll through Ben. Because I don't
Speaker 2: want to pick on Ben, but these were public tweets,
Speaker 2: the and the He said, it's not that it's hard
Speaker 2: to admit not admit, it's that's remarkably less meaningful to
Speaker 2: me than his body of work, which is legitimately six
Speaker 2: seasons of legitimately unbelievable football. And so yeah, I I
Speaker 2: personally for quarterbacks value playoff performance disproportunately the regular season performance.
Speaker 2: And then Ben goes to the sample size stuff. Eight
Speaker 2: game sample, eight games in the NFL is a huge sample, guys,
Speaker 2: Eight games of playoff football. How many playoff games do you,
Speaker 2: guys think Dan Marino played in his career? Dan Marino again,
Speaker 2: one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. You know how many
Speaker 2: playoff games he played? Eighteen? So eight games almost half
Speaker 2: of that. Joe Burrow, how many playoff games do you
Speaker 2: think he has played? The enter is seven, so eight
Speaker 2: games is meaningful. And then we'll wrap up with Ben
Speaker 2: and where because I make the point about the sample
Speaker 2: size stuff, and then this is where again guys just
Speaker 2: lose the plot. One thing that's also true specifically on
Speaker 2: Lamar is they had to spend time the first couple
Speaker 2: of seasons figuring out what weight running game usage they
Speaker 2: wanted for him. He's more healthy in the playoffs. His
Speaker 2: body tap type in play style was is I don't know,
Speaker 2: yet more liable for deturation over twenty game season than
Speaker 2: Mahomes or Borrow or even Allen, which may mean he'll
Speaker 2: always be a little worse than The postseason was very
Speaker 2: healthy this year though, first year with Henry exactly. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that we got there. Now we can put it
Speaker 2: on weight or but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, yeah, by the way, I agree, he's
Speaker 2: worse than the playoffs, okay, and now the and we'll
Speaker 2: go through these other ones faster. My buddy Bill Barnwell,
Speaker 2: who I texted Bill because I was listening to a
Speaker 2: pod from before this game where Bill said Lamar has
Speaker 2: been the best, the best quarterback in the NFL the
Speaker 2: last two years, the best, the best quarterback in the
Speaker 2: NFL the last two years. And I was like, you
Speaker 2: got you gotta be kidding me, Bill. And this is
Speaker 2: where I'll just read Bill's tweet and full because it
Speaker 2: to be fair to him. But I just don't. I
Speaker 2: can't follow this reasoning. But even with the turn, Lamar
Speaker 2: was dot dot dot better than Patrick Mahomes yesterday, twenty
Speaker 2: points of QBR better. The offense scored more points, he
Speaker 2: moved the ball better and did that without his top
Speaker 2: wide receiver all game and with his top tight end
Speaker 2: seemingly actively sabotaging the team. No arguing Mahomes has been
Speaker 2: better than Lamar in the postseason over the course of
Speaker 2: their careers, but over the last two years the window
Speaker 2: in which I'm talking about, their postseason numbers are dot
Speaker 2: dot dot basically identical. But one guy's had his top
Speaker 2: wide receiver fumble away the ball at the one yard
Speaker 2: line of the AFC Championship game, and his top tight
Speaker 2: end fumble away along completion drop game tying two pointer,
Speaker 2: and the others receivers as urrific as they were in
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three season, haven't. Okay, So let's just
Speaker 2: disregard the fact, as I pointed out that everyone's you know,
Speaker 2: talks about, Zay Flowers fumbled the ball with the Ravens
Speaker 2: down ten at the one yard line, okay, because they
Speaker 2: had scored seven points, because the quarterback wasn't effective enough
Speaker 2: and the quarterback could turn the ball over, and on
Speaker 2: the very next drive the quarterback drew a pick. It's
Speaker 2: last year's game. The Chiefs in the round before fumbled
Speaker 2: the ball at the one yard line. McCole Hardman, same
Speaker 2: type of player, same spot on the field in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter, but the Chiefs survived it because the quarterback
Speaker 2: could played great up to that point. They had a
Speaker 2: three point lead. And then in the Super Bowl the
Speaker 2: Chiefs fumbled, not Mahomes, the Chiefs fumbled inside the ten
Speaker 2: yard line. I don't remember it was Pacheco or Clyde
Speaker 2: who whoever it was running back fumbled. But the argument
Speaker 2: that hey, look at his QBR and in a game
Speaker 2: that the Ravens were favored, that everyone but me seemingly
Speaker 2: thought they had the advantage, and they had the more
Speaker 2: talented roster that they played from behind the entire time
Speaker 2: because of Lamar's two turnovers in the beginning that that game,
Speaker 2: he played better than a quarterback that understood exactly what
Speaker 2: they needed to do. And in the critical moment, third
Speaker 2: and eleven in the red zone, up only one, the
Speaker 2: Texans have just scored throws a falling touchdown pass to
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey is just bananas to me. A little more
Speaker 2: from Barnwell for me. Move on. Lamar did make two mistakes.
Speaker 2: That's different than the player who was during the regular season.
Speaker 2: Can't argue that. Yeah, the question is because both Ben
Speaker 2: and Bill eventually conceded the point. Next year, you're gonna
Speaker 2: make are you going to be like? But it'll be
Speaker 2: different this year. And then he talks about Mahomes and
Speaker 2: that's fine, and are in the second half. And then
Speaker 2: if he says, if the goals to make the fuse mistakes,
Speaker 2: moms is better. If the goals should do the most
Speaker 2: on offense help your team win even given the mistakes,
Speaker 2: Lamar was better this weekend. I so there's just a
Speaker 2: fundamental disagreement between me and a friend. I the the
Speaker 2: you you can't separate the mistakes from the then second
Speaker 2: half production, you just can't. And then will wrap up
Speaker 2: the bill stuff be where we get to Rui's and
Speaker 2: dan uh So, I said, let's take Patrick out of this.
Speaker 2: Who was better Lamar or Josh in that game? And
Speaker 2: he said he thought Lamar considerably. And then he said,
Speaker 2: in last year's Super Bowl, did Purty zero iront zero fumbles,
Speaker 2: one sack play better than Mahomes interception, fumble on a
Speaker 2: bobbled snap, three sacks because he made fewer mistakes? Of
Speaker 2: course not. So this is again, I just think intellectual
Speaker 2: dishonesty from smart people. First of all, the fumble on
Speaker 2: a bobbled snap, Yes, there was a bobble snap that
Speaker 2: the Chiefs fumbled, that Mahomes fumbled, that he then picked up.
Speaker 2: Like that's not that's totally You're gonna include it as
Speaker 2: if that is anything like Lamar setting the ball on
Speaker 2: the ground and von Miller picking it up and running
Speaker 2: fifty yards. But you are, you're conflating things here, because
Speaker 2: what you have is a player who avoided the critical
Speaker 2: mistake in Purty but did not make the plays necessary
Speaker 2: to win, and then a player who made one big
Speaker 2: mistake in Mahomes and then made all of the necessary
Speaker 2: plays to win. And you're somehow saying Lamar is like Mahomes,
Speaker 2: when Lamar had two or three critical mistakes and then
Speaker 2: did not make the necessary place to win. Now you
Speaker 2: could say made the play to Mark Andrews. And that's where,
Speaker 2: again I remind you, that was not a two point
Speaker 2: conversion down one with one second left. That was a
Speaker 2: two point conversion down two with a minute and a
Speaker 2: half left. So I don't I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to what to do. And then just quickly
Speaker 2: the Stephen Ruiz thing, and then dan Orlovsky, so Stephen
Speaker 2: Ruiz was said, for the record, I defended Mahome. Mahomes
Speaker 2: after that game, meaning the super Bowl, and after the
Speaker 2: Bengals game, you guys are essentially doing the same thing
Speaker 2: you'd be frustrated with if it happened to Mahomes. And
Speaker 2: this is again, and I hate to use such harsh language,
Speaker 2: but this is intellectual dishonesty to me, because, as I explained,
Speaker 2: if Mahomes going into that Tampa Super Bowl wasn't on
Speaker 2: a five straight awesome playoff game winning streak and a
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion already, he probably would have caught more heat.
Speaker 2: And so then I brought up what I thought was
Speaker 2: a perfect analogy, and we can show it the uh
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, we don't have the whole thing, which is,
Speaker 2: would you treat the Times Steph Curry has come up
Speaker 2: short in the postseason remotely the same as how you
Speaker 2: would treat the Times James Harden has. I don't, even
Speaker 2: though they have very similar regular season resumes. And Steven Ruiz,
Speaker 2: who I think is awesome, right, come on, man, they're
Speaker 2: both in their mid thirties. Bro, that's not what we're
Speaker 2: talking about. We're talking in twenty eighteen. In twoenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: when they were both in their Primes. If Steph Curry
Speaker 2: had a rough game in the postseason and James Harden,
Speaker 2: the league MVP, at a rough game in the postseason,
Speaker 2: do we treat it the same? Of course not, because
Speaker 2: everybody knows and everybody acts the same about all of
Speaker 2: this stuff, except for when it comes to this quarterback.
Speaker 2: And I will give Mike Silver credit because he actually
Speaker 2: said he was honest about where a lot of this
Speaker 2: comes from. I'm gonna read Mike Silver directly. If I
Speaker 2: seem a little triggered by the Jackson bashing, I have
Speaker 2: my reasons. Critics have tried to marginalize him from the jump,
Speaker 2: even before he was in the league. Remember in February
Speaker 2: of twenty eighteen, two months before the Ravens drafted the
Speaker 2: former Louisville start with the last pick of the first round,
Speaker 2: when Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian proclaimed on
Speaker 2: ESPN that Jackson should switch to wide receiver. Poleon called
Speaker 2: the Heisman Trophy winner quote short and a little bit slight.
Speaker 2: Clearly clearly not the thrower the other guys are. The
Speaker 2: accuracy isn't there. So here's why I bring that up.
Speaker 2: And I've said this before and I will say it again,
Speaker 2: the initial Lamar Jackson discourse was toxic and not by
Speaker 2: Poleon necessarily, but by others oftentimes felt racist. That is undeniable.
Speaker 2: Because of that, there have been, in my opinion, a
Speaker 2: lot of well meaning people who have felt like we
Speaker 2: can't and shouldn't criticize him, and it's patronizing to the player.
Speaker 2: And that is why. And it all is fruit of
Speaker 2: that Bill Poleian poisonous tree from February of twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: because everyone during the when Lamar was taken the league
Speaker 2: by storm crushed Pollion for what was incorrect analysis. But
Speaker 2: then when you read the quote that Mike Silver puts
Speaker 2: in there, what you will see is Lamar's biggest defenders
Speaker 2: echoing a piece of it short and a little bit slight.
Speaker 2: And my buddy Ben Solex like well, early in his career,
Speaker 2: they had to figure out his weight, clearly not the
Speaker 2: thrower of the football. Other guys, are you know what
Speaker 2: yesterday's commentary was, Why didn't they give the ball to
Speaker 2: Derek Henry Moore? Why weren't there more Lamar Jackson designed runs?
Speaker 2: And nobody wants to be lumped in with the folks
Speaker 2: that were like, yeah, Bill Pollyan's right, the guys should
Speaker 2: change positions because those people were idiots, they were wrong,
Speaker 2: and oftentimes they felt racist. And so because of all
Speaker 2: of that, there is now folks twisting themselves in knots
Speaker 2: rather than simply saying guys. Reminds me a lot of
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning. Not a single quarterback i'd rather have, maybe
Speaker 2: in the history of the league in the regular season,
Speaker 2: but in the biggest spots you're kind of holding your breath.
Speaker 2: That's all it is, that's all it's ever been. And
Speaker 2: he did have an opportunity Demons for a Peyton Manning moment.
Speaker 2: Yesterday Peyton or Sunday, Peyton Manning was down twenty one
Speaker 2: to three in the AFC Championship Game and didn't play
Speaker 2: great in the beginning of that game, and he didn't
Speaker 2: almost come back. He came all the way back and
Speaker 2: they got the Super Bowl, and then the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: he didn't play great again, Director Roswim, they won anyway.
Speaker 2: One day, Lamarro will have it. I would bet, But
Speaker 2: I just I don't I resent people. I shouldn't say
Speaker 2: resent people. I resent the idea that somehow this level
Speaker 2: of analysis that I've done for the last half hour
Speaker 2: is lowbrow. That all that's morning talk show stuff. When guys,
Speaker 2: if you're explaining to me that actually, by success rate
Speaker 2: or EPA per play or QBR, Lamar was great on Sunday,
Speaker 2: I say this with no reservation. You are the one
Speaker 2: that doesn't understand football. If you thought Lamar played a
Speaker 2: great game on Sunday, you don't understand how football works.
Speaker 2: And no fancy advanced metric is gonna teach you. Now,
Speaker 2: if you went on TV and said Lamar and I
Speaker 2: don't even want to say this because someone will just
Speaker 2: clip it fully out of context, so I'm gonna cover
Speaker 2: my face when I do it. Uh. If you went
Speaker 2: on TV and said Lamar is a playoff choker you'll
Speaker 2: never win. The guy stinks you're an idiot too, But
Speaker 2: nobody said that. That's a straw man that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: And if you if you have a job on those
Speaker 2: morning talk shows or afternoon talk shows and your take
Speaker 2: is it's nobody's fault they lost and any criticism makes
Speaker 2: you a loser, as Danie Rolofski's take was, then amen,
Speaker 2: I hope you get that offensive for their job you've
Speaker 2: been gunning for. Wow, something just broke. I don't even
Speaker 2: know what just happened? Is everything?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Was there an earthquake? There? My goodness? Okay, you're all
Speaker 2: right though, all right, well, let me let me bring
Speaker 2: this back because this might maybe that was the sports
Speaker 2: media on Budsman God saying Nick save this for Thursday
Speaker 2: on the show, but I won't, So I'll do it
Speaker 2: again here. If put the worl Offski tweet back up.
Speaker 2: If your take is you can't put the loss on anyone,
Speaker 2: and if you do, you're a loser, then amen, then
Speaker 2: maybe coaching is what you're meant to do. Because as
Speaker 2: uncommfortable as it may be, and if you check your
Speaker 2: Twitter mentions, as angry as folks may get, our job
Speaker 2: is not it's not purely to criticize. But it's not
Speaker 2: purely to explain how great and awesome and wonderful everyone
Speaker 2: played and how man, none of it was their fault.
Speaker 2: And I'll read the Verlovsky tweet in full for the
Speaker 2: audio audience, because man, he has so much courage when
Speaker 2: it comes to taking shots at other people in his
Speaker 2: current profession, because he is so unable to have even
Speaker 2: a modicum of criticism for folks in his previous profession.
Speaker 2: But quote. If you put the loss on Lamar tonight, respectfully,
Speaker 2: you're a loser. Mark Andrews, one of the all time
Speaker 2: Ravens had a brutal drop of a fumble. Yes, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna use that to crash him, respectfully, you're a loser.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Again, I think I've shown I'm pretty like no sacred
Speaker 2: cows to me. I ran there. I'd spend twenty minutes
Speaker 2: running through tweets of friends of mine because I think
Speaker 2: they're out of their mind. I obviously will criticize athletes.
Speaker 2: I also try when I think something's awesome or someone's
Speaker 2: been awesome, to praise it. The TV show I do
Speaker 2: is as much of a celebration of sports as anything
Speaker 2: on TV. We'll have more fun than anybody, But I
Speaker 2: understand what the job is. I I find it really
Speaker 2: I want to use the right word here telling that
Speaker 2: Orolovsky has all the smoke in the world for folks
Speaker 2: who do his current job in a way he thinks
Speaker 2: his subpar, but literally set on TV to Shannon Sharp
Speaker 2: a couple months ago that it's not his job to
Speaker 2: criticize folks who do his previous job NFL quarterback if
Speaker 2: they do it subpar. Not his job. That's not my job.
Speaker 2: I'm not here for that. Okay, man, the kids would say,
Speaker 2: keep that same energy, but listen, when you're doing a job,
Speaker 2: because you're trying to get the coaching job, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: It's everyone's great, everyone's always great, no one's at fault.
Speaker 2: And in fact, anyone that criticizes anyone, they're a loser.
Speaker 2: Got it, no problem? Uh, all right, I think we've
Speaker 2: got that pretty well covered. We'll talk Josh Allen on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Let's do the Chiefs. What demonse you want to say?
Speaker 2: You you can whatever you want. Wet no, no, no, no, So.
Speaker 4: The Chief the Chief season obviously starts now after they
Speaker 4: just took care of Houston.
Speaker 3: Uh. Who do you think Buffalo should be more concerned about?
Speaker 4: Between Patrick Mahomes, maybe some of his teammates or his
Speaker 4: extended teammates, the referees, Dude, what do you think they should?
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the refs. And you guys have heard
Speaker 2: me say I think I said on this last show
Speaker 2: that I think Buck and Aikman are made men. Unbelievable
Speaker 2: love their broadcasts. Aikman has been very consistent in that
Speaker 2: how much he hates the new rules about protecting quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: So I don't buy that he like has a vendetta
Speaker 2: against Mahomes. I don't I don't buy that. I don't
Speaker 2: think that he really doesn't like the new rules. I
Speaker 2: thought they missed the mark a bit in their slavish
Speaker 2: focus on the roughing the passer calls. And we don't
Speaker 2: have video rights, you know, NFL highlight rights for the podcast,
Speaker 2: but we'll go through them. The first one, if you
Speaker 2: go back and watch the game in real time TV
Speaker 2: copy and just watch Mahomes. Don't watch when he throws
Speaker 2: the ball, Just watch Mahomes. That looks like as obvious
Speaker 2: of a roughing the passer call as you'll see in
Speaker 2: the league all year. It is a high hit to
Speaker 2: the head, his head snaps back. The ref who standing
Speaker 2: behind it, throws the flag. The first replay we see,
Speaker 2: which is from the refs angle, it looks like an
Speaker 2: obvious roughing the passer call. The third replay we see,
Speaker 2: when it's from the side, you see that most of
Speaker 2: the contact did come to the chest and there was
Speaker 2: like grazing contact to Mahomes' face mask. Okay, now you
Speaker 2: can say Mahomes sold it. I suppose it's also Will Anderson,
Speaker 2: one of the fastest, best defensive players in football, hitting
Speaker 2: him full speed. My and that was a huge penalty.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna act like it wasn't because that was
Speaker 2: third down. The Chiefs kept the ball, they end up
Speaker 2: getting three points. What I am And this is where
Speaker 2: I think folks are intellectually dishonest. And I keep using
Speaker 2: that term. That call gets made in every game all
Speaker 2: year long. That's not a Chief's only thing. Every time
Speaker 2: the quarterback gets whacked and his head flings back and
Speaker 2: the hits high, that's a flag. And what I felt
Speaker 2: the broadcast missed was that play was reviewed and upheld
Speaker 2: by New York. They saw it and they were like, yes,
Speaker 2: that's a penalty, or at the very least what they
Speaker 2: said is we can't overturn it because there was some
Speaker 2: contact to the helmet. So the first one, which did
Speaker 2: help the Chiefs pook points on the board, is a
Speaker 2: regular call, a regular, typical call. The second one, I
Speaker 2: understand people being annoyed by for two reasons. One is
Speaker 2: Mahomes baited them into it, and the other one was
Speaker 2: they hit each other, not him. That was a bad call.
Speaker 2: There is no denying that was a bad call. My
Speaker 2: frustration with the focus on that is if they didn't
Speaker 2: flag that it was going to be second and six.
Speaker 2: That's the part of it that I don't follow. The
Speaker 2: outrage on was that wasn't on third down, That wasn't
Speaker 2: on It wasn't gonna be second or third. It wasn't
Speaker 2: on second and twenty five. It was first and ten.
Speaker 2: He ran for four yards, So that was a bad call.
Speaker 2: That also I think had minimal impact on the game.
Speaker 3: Go ahead six.
Speaker 4: Then you know, like that's that's probably that outrage is
Speaker 4: just like we want to see let them make the
Speaker 4: play as opposed to the refs just teleporting them there.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like we got it. Oh it could
Speaker 3: have sounded something.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I I totally understand that, my I think,
Speaker 2: And if we want to make roughing the passer calls reviewable,
Speaker 2: I'm all for it also, I I And then the
Speaker 2: the the thing people, what's to me most delusional about
Speaker 2: the discourses the image everyone is using as anger about
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the refs is for Mahomes' flop on
Speaker 2: the sideline. Yeah, but there was no flag there, Like.
Speaker 3: There is you know where that comes from. But it's
Speaker 3: like hand in hand.
Speaker 4: He gets all these calls and then you see him
Speaker 4: flop on the sideline trying the exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, man, so.
Speaker 2: No I I so I understand that. And so if
Speaker 2: we want to, you know, revisit a lot of and
Speaker 2: by the way, the running around the one that he
Speaker 2: got that would have been second and six, that's dangerous
Speaker 2: for him. I don't want him doing.
Speaker 3: The rule for that, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like they try to squeeze out every yard
Speaker 4: they can and then they put the defender out of disappage.
Speaker 2: I think that right. I think that there is a
Speaker 2: real argument to be made that for and there's gonna
Speaker 2: have the judgment stuff four quarterbacks, if you do not
Speaker 2: basically instantly slide, if you you can run as far
Speaker 2: as you can run, but slide at the you know,
Speaker 2: as soon as someone's within X amount of yards of you,
Speaker 2: then you're not protected anymore. Then now you're running back.
Speaker 2: I think I'm fine with that rule. I'm also fine
Speaker 2: with guys it's a penalty to flop on the sideline
Speaker 2: or in a scrum because you don't see it so
Speaker 2: much with quarterbacks, but the offensive line defensive linemen who
Speaker 2: jawed each other having in Bill's Ravens, and some bushroom
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I got shot. I'm fine with that
Speaker 2: being a penalty. I'm good with all of it. But
Speaker 2: what is so What was to me like triple annoying
Speaker 2: about the discourse was the first penalty, which did lead
Speaker 2: to points, is a penalty all the time in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and they reviewed it and said, yes, it's a penalty.
Speaker 2: The second one, I think had minimal impact on the game, minimal.
Speaker 2: And then the other two parts of the discourse that
Speaker 2: killed me was if we are listing reasons the Texans
Speaker 2: lost and we're being honest, how many do we have
Speaker 2: to list before we get to the refs. First reason
Speaker 2: is that Travis Kelcey destroyed them, right, That's the first reason.
Speaker 2: The second reason is they had a special team's abomination
Speaker 2: literally from the opening kickoff. The third reason is, and
Speaker 2: this is a pretty big one, you scored one touchdown
Speaker 2: on the road at Arrowhead against the Chiefs. Teams doing
Speaker 2: that are let me check, oh for life, since Mahome's
Speaker 2: been the starter, and if we want to say, and
Speaker 2: I would argue, the fourth reason is.
Speaker 3: The whole line the nothing the off it well.
Speaker 2: That kind of hand in hand with the only scoring
Speaker 2: one touchdown. I was, you know what I mean, So
Speaker 2: those are kind of combined. Fourth reason, I thought Demiko
Speaker 2: had a tough game management game. I thought kicking the
Speaker 2: fifty five yard field goal in those conditions early was
Speaker 2: just flatly the wrong decision. And I thought rushing that
Speaker 2: fourth and ten down eight and not using a timeout
Speaker 2: or punting was the wrong decision. And then reason number five,
Speaker 2: I would go to the officiating. That's how I would
Speaker 2: rank it. The other thing that frustrates me is people
Speaker 2: not caring about the data, not supporting this idea that
Speaker 2: the Chiefs get all the calls. On the last pod,
Speaker 2: we did the thing about how when it comes to
Speaker 2: roughing the passer penalties, there is one quarterback head and
Speaker 2: shoulders that gets more than anyone. It's Josh Allen and
Speaker 2: Mahomes is middle of the pack, and that's per game,
Speaker 2: per pass, however you do it. But the the other
Speaker 2: thing is, and Josh debou Has of the Associated Press
Speaker 2: has been fighting the good fight on this, which is
Speaker 2: there is simply no data to suggest, no matter how
Speaker 2: you isolated, that the Chiefs get some hugely beneficial whistle.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through it all, but since
Speaker 2: Malmes has been there, they are dead last in the
Speaker 2: NFL and penalty yardage differential. People are like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it's about It's not that. It's just during this dynasty run.
Speaker 2: During the last three years, the Chiefs have been penalized
Speaker 2: for one hundred and forty seven more yards and their
Speaker 2: opponents in the last three seasons, that's the twelfth worst.
Speaker 2: Vikings actually have the best at their almost one thousand
Speaker 2: fewer than their opponents than People are like, no, we're
Speaker 2: talking about the fourth quarter or big spots. Let me
Speaker 2: find his tweet on that one where gosh darn it,
Speaker 2: I had it because somebody was talking about its high
Speaker 2: leverage situations. So let me find it real quick. I apologize.
Speaker 2: I should have pulled this up beforehand. He tweeted a
Speaker 2: lot more than I thought he did. Maybe it's in
Speaker 2: his replies. Okay, here it is now do third down
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter ups. So somebody wrote a third
Speaker 2: down in the first quarter up seven. It is not
Speaker 2: the same as a third down in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: down three. Josha Bob the Associated Press, Chiefs opponents have
Speaker 2: gotten four more first downs, by penalty on third and
Speaker 2: fourth downs in the fourth quarter, in overtime in games
Speaker 2: decided by one score or less since Mahomes got there,
Speaker 2: and so there's just no data to support this. Uh.
Speaker 2: But when teams are always in the biggest games, and
Speaker 2: when we're in an era where the best quarterbacks are
Speaker 2: hyper protected, this is you know, It's why Chiefs fans
Speaker 2: feel like Josh Allen gets all the calls, and it's
Speaker 2: why the rest of America feels like the Chiefs get
Speaker 2: all the calls. My last point on the refereeing and
Speaker 2: the biggest frustration on it there was, And this is
Speaker 2: where I just think everyone loses their ability to fairly reason.
Speaker 2: There was one horrific call this weekend that you can
Speaker 2: say directly, maybe not only directly, led to points, maybe
Speaker 2: change the entire game. And everyone is so and it
Speaker 2: would have been the best argument to make by anyone
Speaker 2: during all of my Lamar Jackson ranting. But people are
Speaker 2: so used to bad calls it didn't even occur to him.
Speaker 2: They only stick out when it involves the Chiefs. Because
Speaker 2: the defensive pass interference penalty to Monsey against the Ravens
Speaker 2: at the end of the first half was the worst
Speaker 2: call of the weekend and the most impactful. It's undeniable
Speaker 2: that was they maybe get three because of that, they
Speaker 2: definitely got seven. It takes a fourteen maybe seventeen to
Speaker 2: ten game to twenty one ten set at the table
Speaker 2: for all of it. That looked to me like offensive
Speaker 2: pass interference or a no call. They call defensive pass interference. Right.
Speaker 2: Also in that game, Lamar got whacked on the sideline.
Speaker 3: On the sideline, yeah, and there was.
Speaker 2: And there was no call and if and so now
Speaker 2: maybe it's like, okay, the the league's in the bag
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs and the Bills, or maybe it's that
Speaker 2: standalone games, there's gonna be a lot of bad calls
Speaker 2: and it just irritate like that the nobody brought up
Speaker 2: as a defense of Lamar, the bad pass interference penalty
Speaker 2: that actually would have been a good one, Like, hey man,
Speaker 2: even with all those mistakes, they should have just been
Speaker 2: down four. They sustained a terrible call went against them.
Speaker 2: But people are so tied to this narrative that no,
Speaker 2: the bad calls only favor one team in the league,
Speaker 2: and it's the Chiefs that like that to me, And
Speaker 2: I thought Buck and Aikman overdid the refereeing stuff in
Speaker 2: the Chiefs game. They were still talking about it when
Speaker 2: it's third and eleven and mahomes to Kelsey. The greatest
Speaker 2: playoff combination of the history of the league combines for
Speaker 2: what is the critical touchdown. There's still, you know, upset
Speaker 2: about the refereeing. I thought they overdid it a bit.
Speaker 2: I thought Nance and Romo underdid it on that DPI
Speaker 2: that dB. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. And so that
Speaker 2: to me was, you know, that's what I'll say about
Speaker 2: the officiating. All right, and our long A block is
Speaker 2: pretty good. Uh, We're gonna have a much quicker B
Speaker 2: block and answer some listener questions. Quick break right back,
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Speaker 2: All Right, Demon's that was one of our longest ay blocks.
Speaker 2: Is there anything that I felt like, you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: you're kind of boxed out a bit, but is there
Speaker 2: anything that you wanted to chime in on on either
Speaker 2: of those four move on to the other games.
Speaker 3: Or calling you crazy or whatever. I think that like
Speaker 3: the Chiefs this year, how.
Speaker 4: They won, and like those you call it lucky or
Speaker 4: like the crazy fashion, just the way that the Ravens
Speaker 4: losing the postseason, even if you want to say Lamar
Speaker 4: tapers off a little bit, it just I think it
Speaker 4: leaves questioning a lot of people's brains because it's just
Speaker 4: like that one little thing. It's like unlucky. It's it's
Speaker 4: it's as opposed to lucky, it's unlucky. It's just comes
Speaker 4: down to these one little plays. Or I get he
Speaker 4: turned the ball over multiple times in the game, but
Speaker 4: it's just no, still was too.
Speaker 2: Here's so here's the thing, and this is what's tough.
Speaker 2: You you need to give yourself a bigger margin for error.
Speaker 2: Like that's the answer. And so like people when people
Speaker 2: bring up the Chiefs and these clothes, forget the regular
Speaker 2: season playoff wins, right, they they've given it a lot
Speaker 2: of those games have been close because the Chiefs made
Speaker 2: a critical mistake, but they were good enough to have
Speaker 2: the margin forrera. As I mentioned before, in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: after the huge play to Travis, why did Travis or
Speaker 2: was it to Travis? No, it wasn't to Travis. Who
Speaker 2: was it to McCole I don't even remember. Regardless, the
Speaker 2: reason Travis shoved Andy Reid was because he wasn't on
Speaker 2: the field on the fumble inside the ten and he
Speaker 2: felt like he would have held the block better. That's
Speaker 2: what happened. The point I'm bringing up is in the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, yes it was super thin margins. The Chiefs
Speaker 2: needed a drive to force overtime and then won in overtime,
Speaker 2: but they had already had their terrible luck, you know,
Speaker 2: with the fumble inside the ten in the previous in
Speaker 2: the second round against the Bills, they run a stupid
Speaker 2: play and McCall fumble's reach them for the pylon at
Speaker 2: the one yard line. They had a big enough, they
Speaker 2: already had a lead there, like you've got to build in.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard to play a perfect game, and
Speaker 2: so now some of it is just unlucky bouncers or
Speaker 2: lucky bounces the opening kickoff of Chiefs Texans great kick
Speaker 2: return guy fumble, We've you know, samajp Ryan fell on it.
Speaker 2: Like that's good, that's good fortune. So yeah, some of
Speaker 2: this stuff isn't exactly fair. All right, next, let's get
Speaker 2: to the let's get to the other games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Sirianni tried to give you the game. Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts also try to give you the game. He wasn't throwing.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: They basically just spammed Saquon so Philly, you know, one
Speaker 4: in dominating fashion, but still didn't look really good. Do
Speaker 4: you think the right team won this game?
Speaker 2: I do think the right team won. I listen, the
Speaker 2: Rams could have stolen it, and I think Sirianni may
Speaker 2: have been fired. I know that sounds insane, but if
Speaker 2: they blew a thirteen point lead to go to the
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game with four minutes left, and it was
Speaker 2: because Okay, Jalen Hurts was not having a hor horrible game,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't having a great game. The AJ Brown
Speaker 2: drop hurt him. Another AJ Brown drop hurt him. Like
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna kill Jalen Hurts. But then he got injured.
Speaker 2: And once he got injured. He could not move, and
Speaker 2: Sirianni saw that and on his second playback on the
Speaker 2: field after being injured, called a drop back into his
Speaker 2: own end zone where he's just a sitting dock and
Speaker 2: gets safety. Despite that, they recover, Saquon goes for eighty yards.
Speaker 2: They're up thirteen the Rams score. Now there's three minutes left.
Speaker 2: It's second and seven. Saquan's just gone for three yards
Speaker 2: and he caught a play action rollout with his injured,
Speaker 2: immobile quarterback who hasn't who has not completed a big
Speaker 2: pass in hours, and they they end up having to
Speaker 2: punt like that, That second and seven pass call, honest
Speaker 2: to god's one of the worst play calls I've ever
Speaker 2: seen in my life. It's one of the worst play
Speaker 2: calls I've ever seen in my life. And it they
Speaker 2: because of that. All of a sudden, Stafford's inside the
Speaker 2: twenty down six because Elliott missed the extra point like
Speaker 2: that would have been as horrifying a loss as exists.
Speaker 2: And aj Brown, you got to play better. For all
Speaker 2: the I'm reading the book, I like Jalen did make
Speaker 2: a great Yes, you're causing all this nonsense. Saquan's out
Speaker 2: there just crushing fools. We're talking about the Eagles and
Speaker 2: negative light because Aj Brown keeps we need to work
Speaker 2: on passing. No, I always read books on the sideline,
Speaker 2: like what do you sometimes I I I I take
Speaker 2: cooking classes. Stop it and so the and it is
Speaker 2: so in the you know, now the authors at the game,
Speaker 2: he's getting interviewed about the book with the stop it.
Speaker 2: Uh and so listen. The the Eagles are able to
Speaker 2: overcome an injured quarterback and a ridiculous coach, and you
Speaker 2: gotta give in. I you know, had some questions about
Speaker 2: how Rosemand going into the year. You got to give
Speaker 2: Rosemand credit. That's a hell of a roster they've built.
Speaker 2: They have talent everywhere. But yeah, so the right team
Speaker 2: did win. But man, oh man, you're supposed to lose
Speaker 2: playoff games. It's really hard. Like the Rams had the
Speaker 2: two turnovers, right, the two fumbles which let the Eagles
Speaker 2: take control. The Eagles mental errors and coaching errors plus
Speaker 2: a quarterback injury. It's supposed to cost you a playoff game.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Detroit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so last year, Dan Campbell told his team after
Speaker 4: they lost to San Francisco that was probably gonna be
Speaker 4: their last shot at the Super Bowl this year. They
Speaker 4: weren't able to overcome the devastating injuries or, as you
Speaker 4: would say, Jared Goff's tiny hands.
Speaker 2: So, Ben, you guys were thinking it on that fumble
Speaker 2: when that ball slipped out of his hands in the
Speaker 2: red zone. You guys were thinking it too. Be honest,
Speaker 2: you guys were like, oh, man, his hands killed you,
Speaker 2: but go ahead.
Speaker 3: Guys got small hands.
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson is gone with Caleb Williams, and how wor
Speaker 4: it is Aaron Klinn might be out of there too.
Speaker 3: Do you think Campbell is right? Was? Did they officially
Speaker 3: miss their win? Don't win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2: No? I don't think you're gonna say they officially missed
Speaker 2: their window. But this year is this is just as
Speaker 2: painful of a situation as you can imagine. I mean,
Speaker 2: the the defensive injuries killed him. Ben Johnson, who you
Speaker 2: know I wanted the Bears to hire, and the Bears
Speaker 2: are hiring. I thought, you know, the silver medal for
Speaker 2: most insane plague call of the weekend was Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: All right, let me just tell you guys a little
Speaker 2: about James and Williams. Jameis and Williams got drafted by
Speaker 2: the Lions in the first round. He was out because
Speaker 2: of an injury in college. He then after his first
Speaker 2: year got suspended for gambling, then after his second year
Speaker 2: got suspended for steroids. While he was suspended for steroids,
Speaker 2: got pulled over by the cops, had guns in the
Speaker 2: car and was like, no, no, no, I played for
Speaker 2: the Lions. You gotta let me go. You know. It
Speaker 2: seems like they did let him go, and then that
Speaker 2: story came out well. In this game, he scored a
Speaker 2: touchdown and then pretended to have deeply passionate sex with
Speaker 2: the end zone before the cameras pulled off. That's that's
Speaker 2: the player he is. Okay, that's who he is. Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson in the fourth quarter of the playoff game, at
Speaker 2: knowing who he was going into the game and then
Speaker 2: knowing an hour ago, this guy, I mean really aggressively
Speaker 2: humped the end zone. You know what I think I
Speaker 2: should do ask him to make a critical on the
Speaker 2: fly decision about to throw a pass or not throw
Speaker 2: a pass. I mean that that was a problem and
Speaker 2: that lost him the game. Now maybe they would have
Speaker 2: lost anyway, but they were down ten and scoring every
Speaker 2: time that Golf didn't turn it over like they they
Speaker 2: were in the game. Not the time for that, bro, No,
Speaker 2: not the time for that. If I have like a
Speaker 2: critical letter that needs to be delivered and I tie
Speaker 2: it around Dexter's my dog's neck and kick him in
Speaker 2: the ass out the door and like go boy, and
Speaker 2: it's like, I'm in letter didn't get delivered. Is it
Speaker 2: on him? I don't know, it's not. And so I
Speaker 2: that was a banana's decision. And then so the defensive injuries,
Speaker 2: golf's hat trick of turnovers that mattered in the first half,
Speaker 2: fumble picked six where he got cracked, and then the
Speaker 2: pick in the end zone, and then the Jamison thing.
Speaker 2: And so I listen, I feel sick for Lions fans,
Speaker 2: I really do. And I'm not saying it's closed for them.
Speaker 2: I am saying there's a decent chance five years from
Speaker 2: now we're gonna say their best shot was last year.
Speaker 2: In this year, I think that's more than on the board.
Speaker 2: All right, let's do Jaden.
Speaker 4: All right, So Washington and Jaydeen Daniels surprised America dominating
Speaker 4: the Lions. All it was a shootout, and then they
Speaker 4: ended up pulling away with it, crazy game.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Jayden Daniels is a rookie.
Speaker 4: Has anyone impressed you more in the NFL than Jadeen
Speaker 4: Daniels and this last two weeks in the NFL, this
Speaker 4: whole year.
Speaker 2: No. No. And I know people think I'm anti Jaden
Speaker 2: because I was skeptical of in coming out of college.
Speaker 2: I want to make this for the one hundredth time,
Speaker 2: very very clear. My Jaden take is a very simple one.
Speaker 2: I thought he was phenomenal as last year at LSU.
Speaker 2: I think the talent and it seems like character as
Speaker 2: well as off the charts. I am incredibly nervous about
Speaker 2: his ability to hold up long term from a health
Speaker 2: perspective because of his frame, how thin he is, combined
Speaker 2: with his style of play. That's that's the take. The
Speaker 2: take is not oh he's not good.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I was on the record Demons saying I would have
Speaker 2: taken Drake May ahead of him because Drake May is
Speaker 2: three years younger and the is sturdier. But I don't
Speaker 2: think he's My take on bow Nicks is low ceiling.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's that good. We'll see if I'm
Speaker 2: right about that. He had a very good rookieyear. Take
Speaker 2: on Jayden? Is I worry about him the way I
Speaker 2: worried about RG three? Go ahead, you want to say something.
Speaker 4: So Jane Daniels is like, Jane Daniels is five pounds
Speaker 4: lighter than Caleb Williams. I think Jayden Daniel's two ten
Speaker 4: cale Williams two fifteen.
Speaker 3: Is that fake news?
Speaker 2: Well, Jayde Daniels one ninety five, you know in college
Speaker 2: he's also three inches taller than Caleb. So that's the
Speaker 2: other thing. Lit Lawrence Slinder, So yeah it But go ahea.
Speaker 4: So I had a question, would a nightmare scenario be
Speaker 4: for you Jade and Daniels facing the Chiefs in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl? Jayde Daniels poticially beats Patrick Maholmes to stop
Speaker 4: the three pete you're hyping up. Jade Daniels is exactly
Speaker 4: who you described Caleb Williams to.
Speaker 2: Be, I know. So that's what's crazy. So and I listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not anti Jaden, but it is he's living the
Speaker 2: life that I thought Caleb would be living right now. Yes,
Speaker 2: and by the way, listen, ultimate spind zone is this
Speaker 2: demanse if in If I were to say to you,
Speaker 2: listen a massive meteor massive is gonna hit Argentina in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven, and everyone's like, no way, it's never happened,
Speaker 2: It never would never happen. Everyone's like, you're crazy. Seven
Speaker 2: a massive meteor hits Brazil. Am I dead wrong? Or
Speaker 2: am I more right than anyone? If all off season
Speaker 2: I said, an NFC rookie quarterback is going to meet
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl, and everyone's like, you're crazy,
Speaker 2: rookie's never been there, conference stacked, whatever it is. And
Speaker 2: then in February, an NFC rookie quarterback meets Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, but it was just the number
Speaker 2: two pick instead of the number one pick. Am I
Speaker 2: wrong or am I more right than anyone? It's just
Speaker 2: a question people are asking, Uh, listen, Jaden's been unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and the top four quarterbacks in football Demonse Mahomes, Alan
Speaker 2: Borough lamore that fifth spot. It's like seven guys. You
Speaker 2: could argue. At various points over the last year and
Speaker 2: a half, people have argued the following names, just running
Speaker 2: through them, Dak Stafford, Purty, Love Hurts, Herbert.
Speaker 3: Over all those names you just listed easily.
Speaker 2: That's except that's what I'm that's what I'm making a case. Yeah, No,
Speaker 2: Jaden's already got playoffs.
Speaker 4: It's just talking about like the skill set. But yeah,
Speaker 4: he's he's different and he's calm. It's like he's been
Speaker 4: here before.
Speaker 2: But there's no question about him. Uh, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: The only dip he had all year was when he
Speaker 2: got banged up. So he's been unbelievable. And we'll talk
Speaker 2: more about that game this weekend. All right, quick break
Speaker 2: answers a few listener questions. Uh, and I gotta go soon,
Speaker 2: so we'll just answer a few quick break right back,
Speaker 2: What's right? All right, welcome back in What's Right with
Speaker 2: Nick right demonte ask these three listener questions, and I
Speaker 2: got to.
Speaker 4: Run Casey Colossal not named Mahomes. Which quarterback would you
Speaker 4: like to start a franchise.
Speaker 2: With Allen the I would? I mean it would for me,
Speaker 2: it would, Yeah, it would be Alan. Uh, and that's
Speaker 2: a pretty easy question. The Burrow Burrows the only other
Speaker 2: one that I would have a real strong argument for.
Speaker 2: But Allen's the most maybe the most durable player in
Speaker 2: the league, and Joe's not. I know Joe was held
Speaker 2: up this year, but so that that one's that one's
Speaker 2: super easy.
Speaker 4: Next, mister Brownstone, is Jade Daniels already a better quarterback
Speaker 4: than Lamar Jackson all the running ability but the ability
Speaker 4: to pass.
Speaker 2: No, So that no, So that's what I think way
Speaker 2: too far, because here's the thing. There is real obvious
Speaker 2: tangible value, obvious tangible value to Lamar being an a
Speaker 2: triple plus in the regular season, even if he never
Speaker 2: improves in the postseason. If this is who he is
Speaker 2: the rest of his career, the odds are they'll win
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl anyway. That you know that, and so
Speaker 2: the and Jaden right, but also now listen if Jaden,
Speaker 2: if if Jaden is here's why I would prompt the brakes.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people were saying something
Speaker 2: similar last year about CJ and maybe even Jordan Love, like,
Speaker 2: oh man, look at all this, you know, young guy,
Speaker 2: instant bactability progression in this league is not linear. And
Speaker 2: this is also when people are talking about the thin
Speaker 2: margins you were talking about with the Ravens Demonsey. There's
Speaker 2: also this Jayden's been unbelievable. If the Bucks rookie center
Speaker 2: doesn't screw up the snap count with two minutes left
Speaker 2: in round one. We probably don't get any of this
Speaker 2: from Jayden. It doesn't make him any you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Like that, that's how thin he's youre. They
Speaker 2: ended up selling for a field goal. Jayden then drove
Speaker 2: the field and then we saw that unbelievable game against
Speaker 2: Detroit right last one.
Speaker 4: Eric garn says there's a case for Harball being responsible
Speaker 4: for a game plan that did not focus on the
Speaker 4: rushing attack.
Speaker 3: How do you not leverage the King Henry rushing attack?
Speaker 2: Listen? They Lamar only threw the ball twenty five times.
Speaker 2: I think the real criticism is they should have Lamar
Speaker 2: should have run more. Henry had sixteen carries. That's not enough,
Speaker 2: but they were behind. Justice Hill though had a half
Speaker 2: dozen carries, and he was electric when he got him.
Speaker 2: My frustration with that is, I think it's very very
Speaker 2: telling when folks all throughout the regular season are like,
Speaker 2: this guy is the MVP, and then when that team
Speaker 2: loses in the playoffs, they're like, why did they give
Speaker 2: the MVP the ball so much? They should have given
Speaker 2: to someone else. That's all all right, I've got to
Speaker 2: do Colin in about an hour, very excited to hear
Speaker 2: the latest reason why Jmack thinks the Chiefs actually won't
Speaker 2: win when they just keep winning, and argue with Colin
Speaker 2: that the Chiefs should be ahead of the Bills in
Speaker 2: the hierarchy. I will see you guys on First Things
Speaker 2: versus Three. Good job, Demnse, Good job Blue Duck. Talk
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