1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: We have looked at serial murderers in the past, and 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: quick disclaimer, this episode may not be for everyone. It 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: does now have a bit of I wouldn't say a 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: happy ending, but it does have a resolution. When do 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: we do this one, guys? This is May. Yeah, this 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: is before the Golden State Killer D'Angelo. Yeah, so uh. 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: As as you know, we recently did an episode on 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: serial killers who Remain on the Loose in two thousand 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: twenty two. We believe this stuff is important. We know 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: it can be disturbing and again, maybe not appropriate for 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: all our fellow audience members, but we are happy to 12 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: report that justice was served and it's fascinating, at least 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: for for us to look back at our attempt to 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: assemble the facts before this monster was apprehended. From UFOs 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is riddled with 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the 17 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome back 18 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt, my name is Noel, 19 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: and my name has been You are you, regardless of 20 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: which name you happen to be wearing today, and that 21 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: makes this stuff they don't want you to know this week, 22 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: we're looking into some more true crime ladies and gentlemen 23 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: across the US, across the globe. You had asked us 24 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: to cover some more true crime stuff and for our 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: long time listeners, you're familiar with the earlier episodes we've 26 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: done on serial killer. Yeah, we've done some on serial 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: killers who have never been caught on things kind of 28 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: specific ranges of things like the Highway of Tears or 29 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: the hand of Death, serial killer cults. We've also looked 30 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: at possibilities of serial murders associated with cults, but this 31 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: will be our first episode about a specific serial killer. 32 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: If you would like to hear the early episodes we did, 33 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: check them out on our website, uh stuff they don't 34 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: want you to know dot com. But remember you don't 35 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: have to listen to those before you check out this one. 36 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: So you may have heard of a man named Richard Ramirez. 37 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: He was known as the night Stalker and over the 38 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: course of the eighties he essentially reigned terror upon Los 39 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: Angeles and San Francisco. There was a series of break 40 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: ins that he that he perpetrated. He raped people, he 41 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: murdered people, and thankfully he was every ended in August 42 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty five and ended up dying on death 43 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: row in two thousand thirteen due to be cell lymphoma. 44 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: But a decade before that, there was another killer in California, 45 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: a serial rapist and killer known as the East Area 46 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: Rapist or also known as the Original night Stalker or 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: because I'm the Golden State Killer, a man of many 48 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: titles um. This killer was suspected and at least fifty 49 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: different rapes homicides from nineteen seventy six to six. His 50 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: methods that were professional, very very calculated, methodical killer, and 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: in the beginning, investigators believed that either these rapes were 52 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: unrelated or that there were two different killers operating. However, 53 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: DNA evidence later used proves that the East Stereo rapists 54 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: in the Original nights Stalker were not two different people. 55 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: They were the same individual in an increasingly escalating, uh 56 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: increasingly escalating pattern of violence, while likely accompanied by an 57 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: increasing increasingly dysfunctional cognitive state. Yeah, there there's even a 58 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: period that occurred that that existed before the East Area 59 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: Rapist was found that we'll we'll get to in the future. 60 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: That may have been the same person where they were 61 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: just burglarizing houses, right the Vicelia Ransacker. So yeah, what 62 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: what we're looking at here is a an escalating series 63 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: of events like like you said, Ben, and let's look 64 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: at the timeline here. So a lot of the resources 65 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: were pulling from from a website called e A R 66 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: dash O n s dot com, which is set up 67 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 1: to which is set up to comb history and public 68 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: records for any clues or leads to this killer. We 69 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: know that on Junique teenth, nine seventies six, at four am, UH, 70 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: an assailant attacked and sexually assaulted a woman in Rancho, Cordova, California. 71 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: This was the first recorded instance of what we're originally 72 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: known as the East Area rapist crimes, but emphasis are recorded. Uh. 73 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: There are earlier possible burglaries attributed to this same character 74 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: as you had mentioned, Matt, since the guy is believed 75 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: to have started out as a burglar graduating to rape 76 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: or u too if we want to follow the rabbit 77 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: hole a little bit further than and may have started 78 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: as a peeping tom thing too exactly now. The first 79 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: attempted murder that has attributed to the original night stalker 80 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: occurred on October one, nineteen seventy nine, in Galita, California. 81 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 1: The assailant breaks in ties up a couple. He's walking 82 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: around the house chanting I'm gonna kill him, I'm gonna 83 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: kill him. However, momentarily when he was I guess distracted 84 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: or away from them. Uh, the couple was able to 85 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: escape the may and went I think and was able 86 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: to escape and hide in the backyard. The woman screamed 87 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: her neighbors were alerted. UM. Thankfully, her neighbor was an 88 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: FBI agent. That always helps. Uh. The intruder then fled 89 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: and a neighbor pursued on a bike. He ended up 90 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: ditching the bike and a knife, and he went through 91 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: backyards to to just get away from the situation, and 92 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't apprehended. So the first confirmed murder occurred on 93 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: December of the same exactly are also in Galena, and 94 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: then May fourth, nineteen eighty six was the last known murder, 95 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: almost thirty years ago to the day that we were 96 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: recording this. Right, we're recording this on May third, twenty sixteen, 97 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: so in just a few hours it will have been 98 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: three decades. So in nineteen six, DNA testing confirmed that 99 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: the Eastereo rapist in the original night Stalker were the 100 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: same individual, but at this point, numerous other incidents are 101 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: suspected to be the work of this uh, this individual, 102 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: but there haven't been any real leads for a long time. 103 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: Despite that, there has been a recent resurgence of interest 104 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: in the case, both professional investigators and internet sloops or 105 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: combing through the available information looking for any lead that 106 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: could become a breakthrough and possibly get some answers for 107 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the public and some closure for the survivors. And it, 108 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: like you said, it arranges widely the people who are 109 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: getting back into this case. A retired cold case investigator, 110 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Gary Kitzman, he went back to work in two thousand 111 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: and ten after retiring the previous year because he just 112 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: wanted to focus on this case and this case alone. 113 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: He's been going over all of the collected evidence from 114 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties, the times that we're talking about here, 115 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: and he's trying to close this thing. Then on the 116 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: other end, you've got the subreddit Unresolved Mysteries, which is 117 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: keeping this case alive as well. You if you searched 118 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: through that subreddit, you can find endless threads of people 119 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: asking questions and posting links and and trying to make 120 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: connections between both the East Area rapist and I mean, well, 121 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: I guess it's the same guy, but trying to make 122 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: connections between who this possibly could be right and connecting 123 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: other isolated incidents or seemingly unrelated incidents like the Vicelia ransacker. 124 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: Another huge contributor to the story of the original night 125 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: Stalker was Michelle McNamara. UH. She's the creator of the 126 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: True Crime Diary, which was a blog she made. She's 127 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: also a contributor to the l A magazine. Unfortunately, she 128 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: died last month. She's also the wife of Patton Oswalt, 129 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: the comedian um. Her article in the Footsteps of a 130 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: Killer from is a must read for anybody who's kind 131 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: of gotten lost down in internet rabbit hole looking into 132 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, especially if you're interested in this 133 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: case in particular. And the list of victims, just the 134 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: proven confirmed victims that we know of is too long 135 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: to run through here. We're talking about, uh, fifty plus 136 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: rape victims, ten plus homicides minimum. Uh. You can see, however, 137 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: a full list of both suspected and confirmed victim names 138 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: along with details of each crime at the website that 139 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier. And what you'll notice if you sort 140 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: through this, the woy many people have is that there 141 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: are some commonalities in the UH, in the demographics of 142 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: the victims. UH. This individual's primary targets were middle class 143 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: of upper class neighborhoods, usually homes that were in some 144 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: sort of public area, near schools, parks, creeks, you know, 145 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: open areas were very prime. The suspect sometimes impersonated a realtor, 146 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: a building inspector, or some other professional, maybe even a 147 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: prospective home buyer. Right. And we know some of this 148 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: not just because of discoveries of the victims in their 149 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: location or the evidence at the house or seen in 150 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: the crime. We know this because of the people who 151 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: survived and described some of these traits. That's how we 152 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: also know a profile of this killer, which we'll get 153 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: into later. But first, before we continue tracing the history 154 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: of this lesser known murderer, will pause for a word 155 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. This person, 156 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: the East Area rapist, the original night stalker, the Golden 157 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: State killer. This guy is still out there somewhere. Maybe 158 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: at least he's never been caught. He's certainly not been 159 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: caught for these crimes. He's you know, he's been linked 160 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: to these other serial burglaries. Yet I'm proven we have 161 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: difficulty knowing what what other uh sexual assaults or murders 162 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: he may have been involved in, but there is no 163 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: shortage of clues and speculation. So one of the first 164 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: ideas is the idea of the single suspect. Yeah, and 165 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: then and this just states that, you know, all of 166 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: the rapes, all the attacks and murders can be attributed 167 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: to a single human being and that person is the 168 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: original night stalker. Uh. This one, this one seems to 169 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: be backed up by the DNA evidence that links the 170 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: two of the two together, linked it to one person. Uh. 171 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: You know, who's to say about some of the other 172 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: things that happened prior to the East Harry rapists attacks, 173 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: But this one seems to have the most evidence behind it. 174 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: We should probably add that a lot of cold cases 175 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: like this remain cold because of the fact that DNA 176 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: evidence was not a thing, Right, That's absolutely true. In 177 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: this case, however, DNA evidence is somewhat of a thing, 178 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: and it still existed. I think, uh, in some of 179 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: the latest stuff, they're going back and and looking at 180 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: some of the evidence that they've got the DNA evidence 181 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: in this case may be relevant because they do have 182 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: a full profile. Oh I guess what I mean is 183 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: the technology has just gotten so much better, so it's 184 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: easier to go back and look at things they may 185 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: have collected in these cases that at the time they 186 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: didn't know what the hell to do with exactly. Yeah, 187 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: and then also just collection methods and methodology have vastly improved. 188 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: So this there's there's another theory here to the idea 189 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: that there are multiple East Area rapists, that there were 190 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: two individuals committing these crimes, two men working together, competing 191 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: in some sort of twisted way. What what's strange about 192 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: that is if there were a competition, if there are 193 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 1: multiple killers, they would almost certainly never meet because generally 194 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: these folks, unless there is an ideological thing at yea, 195 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: and unless there's an ideological thing, they're gonna be working 196 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: on their own. Not only that, you'd think they would 197 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: one up each other and there wouldn't necessarily be as 198 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: much of us of a continuous pattern. There would be 199 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: one person trying to outdo the other if it was 200 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: some sort of competition, right, right, It's important to hear 201 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: this is specifically about the East Area rapist attacks and 202 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: not not the original night stalker murders. Yeah, good point. 203 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: And the thing about that is that if there are 204 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: multiple similar murders results or robberies, and there's evidence that 205 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: they couldn't have all been committed by one person, historically 206 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: it's much more likely that there's a copycat criminal who's 207 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: taken advantage of the current focus on this one person, 208 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: or in some cases idolizes them. You know. Yeah, we're just, yeah, 209 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: like you said, using the opportunity to do something that 210 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: they usually wouldn't because there'll they'll be thrown off, the 211 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: investigators will be thrown off the trail. And so let's 212 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: let's look at the escalation. It's fairly certain now that 213 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: this was a single individual, But let's look at the 214 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: escalation or evolution of this person from I guess, uh, 215 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: just a crappy, disturbed schmuck to a violent and deranged killer. 216 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: And I know it might sound, you know, it might 217 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: sound rude to just like say, this is a pathetic person. 218 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: But if they're alive and they're listening, I want them 219 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: to hear me say that. So how did this escalate? 220 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: That's cold? Then let's talk a little bit about the 221 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: Vizalea ransacker um and the escalation that took place there. 222 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I was a little confused by this myself. This in 223 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: theory is the idea that, um, this was this killer 224 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: sort of learning and starting to move towards more of 225 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: a violent um. Actory's so, an unidentified serial burglar broke 226 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: into numerous houses in the Visalia, California area from April 227 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: of seventy four to December seventy. Um. This person would 228 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: destroy the interior of the home and just you know, 229 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: steal little knickknacks here and there with the objects of 230 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: sentimental value exactly exactly. Um. But it didn't really feel 231 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: like it was about getting big ticket items that might 232 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: be resold. It was much more of an impulsive kind 233 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: of act. Yeah. So it's postulated that this ransacker, who 234 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: was never officially caught, became the East Area rapist after 235 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: the attempted kidnapping of a young lady named Beth Snelling 236 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: on September eleven. Yeah, that was the the final escalation, 237 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: at least that's reported from this ransacker when he tried 238 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: to he tried to abduct a woman whose father was 239 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: also in the house, and then about let's see that's 240 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: about a year later then that the first UH Easter 241 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: area rapist. Recorded attempt at rape or recorded rape excusingly occurs, 242 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: that's assault occurs. So it really is staggering to look 243 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: at the list of victims on the website that we referenced, 244 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: the e R dash O and s dot com. I mean, 245 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: it's very very detailed, and it you you can see 246 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: the escalation just by going down the spreadsheet. It's pretty Yeah, 247 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I know, it's it's very disturbing, and if you think 248 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: about it's also so much more disturbing if you are 249 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: a victim of a home invasion to find that, you know, 250 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: the TV wasn't taken, or the VCR wasn't taken, or 251 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: the PlayStation wasn't taken, but what was taken was like 252 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: a picture of your grandmother, Yeah, your great grandmother's like 253 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: humble dolls or something like that. That we're on the mantel. 254 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: So maybe some things were smashed, you know, like I said, 255 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: a very impulsive kind of one case, it was the 256 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: father's cuff links, right, and we have we we have 257 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: some information about the m O because one thing the 258 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: killer did to prevent it from being a I guess 259 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: a fair fight, and we'll talk about the profile there 260 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: later was to sneaking houses beforehand, and one of the 261 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: things you would do when he was stalking UH these 262 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: people is that he would try to locate any weapons 263 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: and disarmed them, like take the bullets out of the gun, 264 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: ride all that, hide knives where he could know where 265 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: they are in case, because you know, obviously this guy 266 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: UH was not a good fighter and had the plan. 267 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: And he would even stash ropes and stuff underneath cushions 268 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: on sofas so you have easy access and know where 269 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: they are. So what does what? What does our profile 270 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: of this UH? What does our profile this night stalker 271 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: sound like? What comprises it? We know that there was 272 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: some work done by psychological profiling team led by uh 273 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: Leslie Dembrosia, and we also know that there were extensive 274 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: notes taken via survivors of these incidentss and from there 275 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: we've learned a couple of key points. We are certain 276 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: that it's a white male and back in nineteen seventy six, 277 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: in the seventies when he was being seen by people, 278 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: he was twenty to thirty years old, somewhere in that range. 279 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: Pretty young. Right now, he would be in his fifties 280 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: or sixties. There are a couple outlier descriptions that put 281 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: him a little bit older in the seventies now, but 282 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: I think the average is going to put him closer 283 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: to his mid fifties currently. It was about five eight 284 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: to five eleven. He was definitely physically fit, had broad shoulders. Yeah, 285 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: he was able to do all kinds of athletic things 286 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: when evading police and tend defences and stuff. Uh. He 287 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: frequently wore ski mask or something else to include his face. 288 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: He either had blue or hazel eyes according to witnesses, 289 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: shoe size nine. And here's an interesting thing. He had 290 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Type A blood. How do we know this? Because he 291 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: had non secrete or bodily fluids, It means they didn't 292 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: contain enough protein to test for a blood match. Yeah, 293 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: so that means when semen was found at a scene, 294 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: you couldn't link it up if you had um, let's say, 295 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: a DNA sample from someone from the sky's blood or 296 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: someone else's blood. There are several recordings, or at least 297 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 1: alleged recordings of his voice that the authorities have, and 298 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: on them, he has a what's described as a higher 299 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: than average vocal pitch. And uh he speaking of averages. 300 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: He was report as this is a crass thing to say, 301 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: but as reported by the survivors, he was below average 302 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: in terms of his genitalious size, noticeably below this, and 303 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: also unable to achieve orgasm at certain parts. And I know, 304 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: a gentleman that we're talking very frankly about some disturbing things. 305 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: But this is also this is a surprisingly common trend 306 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: in uh, in serial killers or in these sexually motivated criminals. 307 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: It's probably a better way to say it. And so 308 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: when he too, and then you know, of course, on 309 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: this profile he would take small items with personal value 310 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: to the victims. He also knew a lot about knots. Yeah, 311 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: there's this one complicated knot called the diamond knot. There 312 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: are a couple of other words for it. It's it's 313 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: crazy complicated. I watched a couple of videos trying to 314 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: show you how to make it, and I don't think 315 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 1: I could do it, even after being instructed how to 316 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: do it much less on the fly. Oh yeah, dude, 317 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: under dress like that. Um, this may point to some 318 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: kind of background in the military, perhaps scouting, maritime matching. Yeah, 319 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: anywhere where you're constantly tying knots um. It also may 320 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: hint at an interest in bondage in his personal sexual life. Right. 321 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: So he made changes to his procedures. Law enforcement began 322 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: noticing common parts of his commonalities in his m O, 323 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: like is not usage uh, And he began removing the 324 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: ligatures or the materials used to tie up his victims, 325 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: like sometimes would be their shoelaces. Sometimes he brings his 326 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: own stuff, uh, sometimes just from their bodies to the 327 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: floor nearby, and sometimes removing them from the crime scene altogether. 328 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: This shows us that this killer was watching and attempting 329 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: to switch things up. The investigators use this to say, 330 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: this man is not um insane. I guess he's very 331 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: calculated in these things. He's learning each time he commits 332 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: one of these crimes, which is terrifying on one hand, 333 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: but it would be good for let's say a prosecutor 334 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: who could say this person is of their own mind. 335 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: There you know he wouldn't go to a mental institution. 336 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: Let's say he this person would an open prison. I 337 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: see what you're saying, and Uh. Then we know about 338 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: the background they thought possible law enforcement and military training, 339 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: maybe worked in construction or as a contract painter or 340 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: a handyman. Or you might also hear that you worked 341 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: in a scrap yard, which would give him access to vehicles. 342 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: Because of this character used different vehicles at times. We 343 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 1: know probably lived in Sacramento, Galita, or Irvine, California, at 344 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: least for a time. And we have a quotation from 345 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: the article that Matt mentioned earlier by Michelle McNamara in 346 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: the Footsteps of a Killer that describes the m O 347 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: and a little bit more detail. Quote to zero in 348 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: on a victim, he often entered into the home beforehand, 349 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: when no one was there, learning the layout, studying family pictures, 350 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: and memorizing names. Victims received hang up or disturbing phone 351 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: calls before and after they were attacked. He disabled porch 352 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: lights and unlocked windows. He emptied bullets from guns. He 353 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: hit shoelaces or rope your cushions to use his ligatures. 354 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: These maneuvers gave him a crucial advantage because when you 355 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: woke from a deep sleep to the blinding flashlight and 356 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: ski masked presence, he was always a stranger to you, 357 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: but you were not to him. Uh. That paints a 358 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: creepy picture of this man. And of course, along the 359 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: way law enforcement investigators professional and amateur like have been 360 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: attempting to find specific suspects in these crimes. You will 361 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: find mentions of people who have already been largely disproven 362 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: as possible suspects. Joe al Siret class by Paul cornfed Schneider, 363 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: which is an interesting middle name at the very least, 364 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: or an interesting nickname. A lot of these guys ended 365 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: up having an alibi or something that basically discounted them 366 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: from the person right. And then there's some other suspects 367 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: like you'll here mention them forms sometimes John Familaro, the 368 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: cold Stored killer. He's currently on California's death row for 369 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 1: the murder of Denise Huber. He would have been twenty 370 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: five or twenty six at the time of these crimes 371 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: during the mid seventies, who worked as a contractor and 372 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: a house painter. Yeah, this guy is a little disturbing. 373 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: He kept the body in a freezer on his property, 374 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: like a standalone freezer, just kept the body there for 375 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: I think three years before it was discovered. And I 376 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: don't know that that kind of thing. Almost keeping a 377 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: trophy on your property of a person that you murdered. 378 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: That's yes. Another potential suspect was a gentleman by the 379 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: name of Kevin Lee Gardner. According to an l A 380 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: Times article, Gardner Um was arrested for the rape of 381 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: a woman with multiple sclerosis who employed his girlfriend as 382 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: a nurse. And this took place and Gardner was thirty 383 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: five at the time, which meant that he would have 384 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: been in his mid to late twenties around the time 385 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: of the Easter Area rapist original knight Stocker crimes. Another 386 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: gentleman brought up frequently in these forums is Glenn Edward Rogers. 387 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: He's known as the Cross County Killer. Uh he was. 388 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: I think he's currently on death row in California. He 389 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: murdered Tina Marie Cribs. Like reports of the original nights 390 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: Soccer this man was blonde. He was reported to live 391 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: in the southern California area at the time of the 392 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: attacks of the original night Stalker Um. This guy he 393 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: was he was known as like I forget the actual name, 394 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: but he was like the good looking killer or whatever. 395 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: He would go to bars and just pick up women 396 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: and take them back to a hotel or something, and 397 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: then you'd find a dead woman in a bathtub. Right, 398 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: So this leads us to our conclusions. We should say 399 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: at this point the Vicelia Ransacker has in no way been, uh, 400 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: have concretely connected to the night Stalker, Easteria rapist, and 401 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: none of the specific suspects we meet or we've met 402 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: in the course of the show have been again concretely connected. 403 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: This guy got really lucky. And also, did you read 404 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: the poetry that he sent in to the Sacramento b 405 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: I did, already downloaded it for the video I'm going through. 406 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: Its garbage is so terrible, it's like not it's it's 407 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: not well written, not even Charlie Manson's song. Right. Yeah. No, Like, 408 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: we could take someone who didn't speak English, hand them 409 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: a picture with the letters of the alphabet on it, 410 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: and then give him a give that person a pen, 411 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: and whatever letters they randomly drew would still be just 412 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: far superior aesthetically. You're talking about the excitements cave. Yeah, 413 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: you can look it up if you wish, ladies and gentlemen, 414 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean, if you want to waste your time. So 415 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: this leads the start of thing what happened to this 416 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: killer guys as a ghost? Yeah, he's a ghost. We 417 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: we don't know where he is if he's alive. We 418 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: don't know any of these things. So let's walk through 419 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: what could have happened. Well, he could have been caught, 420 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: could have been arrested for something unrelated. I mean, this 421 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: was clearly an individual that had no qualms about breaking law. 422 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: So there are numerous ways. Um, although you know, did 423 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: seem cautious relatively speaking, to have gone away with it 424 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: for that long, So I'm maybe not leaning towards this one. 425 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: Could have been sitting in a jail cell somewhere California, 426 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: this is true, might not have had a sample of 427 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 1: his DNA taken upon being incarcerated to the DJ in California, 428 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: UM have different rules about DNA sample collection. Yeah, all 429 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: of this. There are rules revolving around the year that 430 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: the felony was booked, you know, when the crime was 431 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: actually committed. Oh yeah, yeah, so okay, So in the 432 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: state of California, these these rules have changed over the years. 433 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: So depending on when, if he was arrested and is 434 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: in the correction system in California, he may not have 435 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: had a you know, a sample of his DNA taken. 436 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: So if he's in there for a long time, he's 437 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: got a life sentence. For something else that's unrelated. Then 438 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: maybe he's just sitting there. It's it's a possibility, it's 439 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: quite possible. Then there's the idea that he could have 440 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: been murdered during an attempted crime. Right the profiling team 441 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: that was working with Uncle Sam said that recommendation to 442 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: check out any prowling cases that or you know, attempted 443 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: peepe and tom breaking stuff that resulted in the death 444 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: of a lone male prowler, especially around that at that time, 445 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: we should say the last, the last contact that the 446 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: original night Stalker has provably had with a member of 447 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: the public was a phone call to a phone call 448 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: to a victim, so also could have died of an 449 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: unrelated condition. And despite the horrific things Richard Ramirez did 450 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: when he was caught which is a hell of a 451 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: story in itself and put on death row um, the 452 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: lymphoma got to her before justice did. So, you know, 453 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: we live in a world full of accident and danger 454 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: around every corner. Don't be frightened. But if you're driving 455 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: right now, just remember the only thing protecting you from 456 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: those cars hurtling towards you are some lines painted on 457 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: the road that we all pretend are real and you 458 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: and to not get in a crash. Right, So, even 459 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: to the most stable, most capable people, car accidents can happen, 460 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: heart attacks could happen, people are struck by lightning. A 461 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: meteorite might hit you. I mean, you're more likely to 462 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: win the lottery, but a meteorite might hit you. And 463 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: just and here is the most terrifying. He could be free. 464 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: He could be living with a family somewhere, just as 465 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: a dad, as a husband to somebody, maybe alone. Maybe 466 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: he frequents a bookstore nearby somewhere. Maybe he likes podcasts. 467 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: In that case, we should note that the investigation continues. 468 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: In November, the FBI noted that there are still on it, 469 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: and that means that, as we said, the killer, if alive, 470 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: could be listening now to this show. Well, one thing 471 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: a lot of serial killers have in common is that 472 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: they're crazy narcissists. They make the mistake that a lot 473 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: of um relatively unintelligent people make, which is where they 474 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: assume that they're interesting and this like, if I know 475 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: that I know that this individual is probably not listening 476 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: to our show now. However, given the rampant narcissism that 477 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: a lot of serial killers have. I'm sure that many 478 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: go back, especially if they feel like they've gotten away, 479 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: to listen to this kind of stuff and then listen 480 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: to people trying to figure out who they are. Like 481 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: b t K did that the buyind torture kill killer 482 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: Dennis Radar. I'm sure he read everything written about himself. 483 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Ted Cruz listens to the stuff about 484 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer all the time. Did you get yeah, wait, 485 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: what is okay? Can you explain that one time? I'm 486 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: completely kidding. Ted Cruiz is not the Zodiac Killer, but 487 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: it's a is he. It's an entertaining meme that has 488 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: gone around that is pretty awful if you think about it. 489 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: Um to accuse someone of that. Larry Wilmore did a 490 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: great bit when he did the opening for the White 491 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: House Correspondence Center where he the whole thing where it's like, 492 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: who would do a thing like that except the Zodiac Killer? 493 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: Oh wow? And so with that we will end our 494 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: story for now on the original Nights Stalker met Uh 495 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: what should people do if they want to learn more? 496 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: If you want to continue down this rabbit hole, there 497 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: are a ton of places you can go. One of 498 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: them is the l A magazine. There are a ton 499 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: of articles there too. Uh gosh to the sub credits 500 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: that we talked about unresolved mysteries. If you want to 501 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: pick up a physical book and read it, which I 502 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: would recommend, check out Sudden Terror by Larry Crompton, someone 503 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: who actually had some skin in the game in investigating 504 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: this person. You can also check out Hunting a Psychopath 505 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: by Richard Shelby, again to great sources of just more 506 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: information than you might actually want. And if you have 507 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: more information you'd like to share with your fellow listeners, 508 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: uh drop a line with any recommended reading that comes up. 509 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: It's the end of the show, guys, and that means 510 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: we have time for just one more thanks shout out 511 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: corners for a first shout out today, we would like 512 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: to shout out Sergeant Blue, which is an assumed name 513 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: when as you who listens to the show before going 514 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: to work at a state Department of Children and Families, 515 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: He suggested we look into the Toynbee tiles as well 516 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: as the pervasive belief in an old conspiracy that child 517 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: protective services sometimes removes children from homes for profit rather 518 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: than the safety of the child. Yeah, that's a dark one. Uh. 519 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: In the email that the sergeant sent, he was saying 520 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: that he's never seen any evidence of it in his workings. 521 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 1: But ever he said, like he said, pervasive, people just 522 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: believe it. And maybe it's just because of people who 523 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: have to deal with child protective services. Sometimes they're in 524 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: a situation that maybe leads them to see authorities in 525 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: a bad light. Perhaps. Our next shout out goes out 526 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: to Claire from Calgary, Canada. She said some really encouraging words, 527 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for that. I'm gonna read 528 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: this quote you guys because I think it's worth it. 529 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: She said, I never want to stop hearing three cool 530 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: dudes having a discussion about witchcraft, ghosts or demonic possession. 531 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: That's really nice. I'll take it. Who are these guys 532 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: she's talking about. I have no idea who they are, 533 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: Like a couple of stooges, a couple of brownies. She 534 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 1: also suggested that we make a show focused on the 535 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: Builderberg group, which we've we've done some shows around them 536 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: and we've mentioned him a lot. Have we done an 537 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: audio episode? Maybe we should do that. That's a great idea. 538 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: Thank you for the suggestion. Claire from Calgary. Our third 539 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: shout out today goes to Alan at bad Motor Finger. 540 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: Uh and the ohs and motor are zeros if you're 541 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: looking them up on Twitter. Uh and yeah give us 542 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 1: a random shout out so we you know, we were thinking, like, 543 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: what's just something equally unpredictable and random that we could say? 544 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: So we'll take a different shot. We can each go 545 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: around the room. I guess I would point out that 546 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: doctor Awkward is a palindrome that's really great. Octopus is 547 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: my favorite Spider Man villain. Dr Octopus is a great villain. 548 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: Dr Bronner's Magic Soap is my favorite of the peppermint 549 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: scented soaps. It's a good one. How do you pronounced it? 550 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: Cast cast style soap. There's a it's a wind with 551 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: a name the Fremantle Doctor, which I think is such 552 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: a cool name for a wind. You know, Yeah, I 553 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: didn't know you could do that. How does that wind 554 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: have a cooler name than us? At A Knowle's pretty good? 555 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: I agreed. Did you see we got a listener mail? 556 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: I think it's on Facebook though, so they mentioned you 557 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: as k N O L L. Yeah, I get that. 558 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes the grassy the grassy one. Well that's a that's 559 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: a random enough response. I think, too bad, motor Finger. 560 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: We have one last thing that we want to tell 561 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: people about, and we want you to check this out 562 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: on our social media or Twitter and our Facebook where 563 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: we're conspiracy stuff. We got a fascinating package last week earlier. Yeah, 564 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: we did so. Do you guys remember that conversation where 565 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about I'm speaking to you by the way, 566 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: not you know, not you've been, but to you, Uh, 567 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: the conversation we had about ben bucks and we're going 568 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: to start our own currency. We we talked about it. 569 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: We've been floating this idea for a minute, floating our currency. 570 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: I've it's been a personal dream of mine for for 571 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: a while. Although it was slow and upkeep and uh 572 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: the you know when we when I first proposed the idea, 573 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: I thought you guys were gonna just tell me to 574 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: shut up, but you got behind it and someone else 575 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: did too, So Leanne took it upon herself to like 576 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: design and print out and send us via actual male 577 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: some bend bucks in different denominations. Right, Yeah, we got 578 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: a one of five seven point seven point five aten 579 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: and five ones attendants and also the plates to make 580 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: more of these. Uh. Noel and Matt got promoted to 581 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: uh various high government governmental positions. Uh, finally, finally, right. 582 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: I I don't think I actually have a have a 583 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: position there, but you know what, I'll take it. And 584 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: in all seriousness, this was this was such a cool 585 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 1: thing to send, So we'll put we'll post some pictures 586 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: if you want to check it out, and if you 587 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: have an idea for starting your own currency, we'd also 588 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: like to hear it. Uh. I I spent some time, like, 589 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: uh like thinking of Matt and Nol money too. I 590 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: mean Matt money obviously obviously obviously writes itself. Noel Nichols, 591 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: Noel Nichols, Just Nichols. That's all I mean. I pay 592 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: for everything in Nichols. It's true. I've seen it. It's weird. 593 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: That's what's in the backpack, Just Nichols. I bet you 594 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: thought it was a laptop. No, Just Nichols. Always wondered 595 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: why it was so loud. And that's the end of 596 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: this classic episode. If you have any thoughts or questions 597 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: about this episode, you can get into contact with us 598 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: in a number of different ways. One of the best 599 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: is to give us A call or number is one 600 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 1: eight three e std w y t K. 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