1 00:00:04,835 --> 00:00:23,635 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. I 2 00:00:23,795 --> 00:00:27,875 Speaker 1: did not see this coming. If JD. Vance and Trump 3 00:00:27,995 --> 00:00:31,675 Speaker 1: and their campaign had not been terrified of fact checking, 4 00:00:32,075 --> 00:00:36,435 Speaker 1: We're not enraged by fact checking. We're not enraged by facts. 5 00:00:36,795 --> 00:00:40,075 Speaker 1: If none of that were true, last night's vice presidential 6 00:00:40,115 --> 00:00:44,635 Speaker 1: debate would not have been headlined by Vance whining about 7 00:00:44,795 --> 00:00:49,195 Speaker 1: and yelling about and finally having his mic actually cut 8 00:00:49,555 --> 00:00:54,075 Speaker 1: because he was angry and yelled at the moderators over 9 00:00:54,235 --> 00:00:54,995 Speaker 1: fact checking. 10 00:00:55,275 --> 00:00:58,875 Speaker 2: Thank you, governor, and just to clarify for our viewers, Springfield, 11 00:00:58,915 --> 00:01:02,635 Speaker 2: Ohio does have a large number of Haitian migrants who 12 00:01:02,755 --> 00:01:06,515 Speaker 2: have legal status, temporary protectives. 13 00:01:05,955 --> 00:01:07,995 Speaker 3: Well more, Thank you, senator. 14 00:01:08,035 --> 00:01:09,195 Speaker 2: We had so much to get to. 15 00:01:09,715 --> 00:01:10,275 Speaker 1: I think it's. 16 00:01:10,115 --> 00:01:12,475 Speaker 2: Important turn out of the egonomy. 17 00:01:12,035 --> 00:01:15,195 Speaker 1: Thing, Margaret. The rules were that you got a fact check. 18 00:01:16,235 --> 00:01:21,275 Speaker 1: The rules were you guys weren't gonna fact check. We 19 00:01:21,355 --> 00:01:24,635 Speaker 1: actually saw one of the great cliches of American culture 20 00:01:25,035 --> 00:01:28,355 Speaker 1: spring to life. It was my understanding that there would 21 00:01:28,395 --> 00:01:33,115 Speaker 1: be no math. Still resonating often attributed to incumbent President 22 00:01:33,235 --> 00:01:36,235 Speaker 1: Gerald Ford, even believed to be one of the reasons 23 00:01:36,435 --> 00:01:39,515 Speaker 1: he lost a debate and an election to Jimmy Carter 24 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:43,635 Speaker 1: forty eight years ago. Ford, of course never said that 25 00:01:43,915 --> 00:01:47,435 Speaker 1: it was chevy Chase portraying Ford on Saturday Night Live 26 00:01:47,755 --> 00:01:51,395 Speaker 1: on September eighteenth, nineteen seventy six. But when JD. Vance 27 00:01:51,475 --> 00:01:54,195 Speaker 1: did that last night, it was my understanding that there 28 00:01:54,195 --> 00:01:57,155 Speaker 1: would be no fact checking. That wasn't chevy Chase, that 29 00:01:57,275 --> 00:02:01,035 Speaker 1: wasn't bowhen Yang or anybody else portraying Vance. It was 30 00:02:01,195 --> 00:02:04,875 Speaker 1: Vance himself. And it's how he managed to lose a 31 00:02:04,915 --> 00:02:07,595 Speaker 1: debate in which Tim Walls came out of the gate 32 00:02:08,075 --> 00:02:11,235 Speaker 1: so nervous that for a while I was having a 33 00:02:11,235 --> 00:02:17,075 Speaker 1: little first debate. PTSD. Vance also lost this debate because 34 00:02:17,315 --> 00:02:19,755 Speaker 1: when asked about whether he would be the final voice 35 00:02:19,755 --> 00:02:23,555 Speaker 1: in the room approving an Israeli preemptive strike on Iran, 36 00:02:23,835 --> 00:02:26,715 Speaker 1: the first question of the debate, the most topical question 37 00:02:26,755 --> 00:02:30,235 Speaker 1: of the debate, he somehow managed to say, never mind 38 00:02:30,315 --> 00:02:32,155 Speaker 1: the Middle East. I'll get to that in a moment. 39 00:02:32,195 --> 00:02:35,635 Speaker 1: But first, my name is James D. Bowman. No, I'm 40 00:02:35,715 --> 00:02:38,915 Speaker 1: Jimmy Hamill, No, I'm J. D. Bantz. Well, whoever the 41 00:02:38,915 --> 00:02:43,195 Speaker 1: hell I am. I'm here to sell you some Amway products. 42 00:02:43,555 --> 00:02:48,075 Speaker 2: Would you support or oppose a preemptive strike by Israel 43 00:02:48,195 --> 00:02:48,755 Speaker 2: on Iran. 44 00:02:48,835 --> 00:02:51,075 Speaker 4: You have two minutes, so Margot, I want to answer 45 00:02:51,115 --> 00:02:53,515 Speaker 4: the question. First of all, thanks Governor, thanks to CBS 46 00:02:53,555 --> 00:02:55,915 Speaker 4: for hosting the debate, and thanks most importantly the American 47 00:02:55,915 --> 00:02:58,595 Speaker 4: people who are watching this evening and caring enough about 48 00:02:58,595 --> 00:03:01,075 Speaker 4: this country to pay attention to this vice presidential debate. 49 00:03:01,315 --> 00:03:02,515 Speaker 1: I want to answer the question, but. 50 00:03:02,435 --> 00:03:04,235 Speaker 4: I want to actually give an introduction to myself a 51 00:03:04,235 --> 00:03:06,155 Speaker 4: little bit, as I recognize a lot of Americans don't 52 00:03:06,155 --> 00:03:08,395 Speaker 4: know who either one of us are. I was raised 53 00:03:08,395 --> 00:03:11,315 Speaker 4: in a working class family. My mother acquired food assistance 54 00:03:11,435 --> 00:03:12,435 Speaker 4: for periods of her life. 55 00:03:12,475 --> 00:03:17,715 Speaker 1: My grandmother virtually everything Tim Walls said was substantial and 56 00:03:17,795 --> 00:03:21,635 Speaker 1: about policy and about facts, and virtually everything JD. Vance 57 00:03:21,635 --> 00:03:27,315 Speaker 1: said and did sounded like an infomercial. Occasionally that worked, 58 00:03:28,155 --> 00:03:31,475 Speaker 1: but he continually side eyed the camera and by extension, 59 00:03:31,475 --> 00:03:33,315 Speaker 1: the viewer, and that probably would have been the burn 60 00:03:33,395 --> 00:03:35,595 Speaker 1: he thought it was going to be if each knowing 61 00:03:35,675 --> 00:03:38,395 Speaker 1: glance each time he tried his version of the Sarah 62 00:03:38,475 --> 00:03:41,115 Speaker 1: pale and wink, it didn't emphasize the fact that he 63 00:03:41,235 --> 00:03:45,195 Speaker 1: was wearing eyeliner again. And my god, it is polite 64 00:03:45,235 --> 00:03:48,555 Speaker 1: to address by name the person asking you a question, 65 00:03:48,955 --> 00:03:52,235 Speaker 1: but Dvance did it so often and so phonally that 66 00:03:52,315 --> 00:03:55,875 Speaker 1: if you had Vance saying well Nora or yes Margaret 67 00:03:56,195 --> 00:04:01,675 Speaker 1: on your drinking bingo card, you are still unconscious. For 68 00:04:01,755 --> 00:04:04,635 Speaker 1: the first ten fifteen minutes the debate was a time 69 00:04:05,195 --> 00:04:08,315 Speaker 1: or maybe Vance was ahead. This was largely because for 70 00:04:08,395 --> 00:04:11,875 Speaker 1: that span it was entirely not a vice presidential debate. 71 00:04:12,035 --> 00:04:16,515 Speaker 1: It was a second presidential debate, but by proxy. Don't 72 00:04:16,515 --> 00:04:19,515 Speaker 1: get me wrong, Walls managed to do it too. He 73 00:04:19,555 --> 00:04:22,595 Speaker 1: took a dozen bites out of Trump. He pivoted on 74 00:04:22,635 --> 00:04:26,115 Speaker 1: the Iran question to how many Trump advisors insist Trump 75 00:04:26,155 --> 00:04:28,955 Speaker 1: should never be let near a crisis like this one Again, 76 00:04:29,555 --> 00:04:33,115 Speaker 1: he threw Vance's anti Trump quote against him. He said, 77 00:04:33,275 --> 00:04:36,155 Speaker 1: a nearly eighty year old Donald Trump talking about crowd 78 00:04:36,195 --> 00:04:38,795 Speaker 1: sizes is not what we need in this moment. He 79 00:04:38,915 --> 00:04:42,675 Speaker 1: quoted Trump's failure in Iran. He quoted Trump's dismissal of 80 00:04:42,715 --> 00:04:46,835 Speaker 1: injuries to US servicemen in Iran as headaches, a comment 81 00:04:46,915 --> 00:04:50,515 Speaker 1: that Trump made just hours earlier. Walls referenced Trump and 82 00:04:50,595 --> 00:04:54,715 Speaker 1: tweets referenced how climate change will give you more beachfront 83 00:04:54,715 --> 00:04:58,035 Speaker 1: property according to Trump. He scored by noting the bribes 84 00:04:58,155 --> 00:05:01,875 Speaker 1: Trump took from oil executives at Mari Lago, he scored 85 00:05:01,915 --> 00:05:05,715 Speaker 1: with Mexico paying for the wall, and especially with Trump 86 00:05:05,835 --> 00:05:10,475 Speaker 1: sinking the bipartisan border deal. Walls reminded the audience that 87 00:05:10,635 --> 00:05:13,355 Speaker 1: Vance and Trump had said, scientists don't know what they're 88 00:05:13,395 --> 00:05:16,715 Speaker 1: talking about, Economists don't know what they're talking about. Authorities 89 00:05:16,755 --> 00:05:19,475 Speaker 1: don't know what they're talking about. And Vance took debate 90 00:05:19,795 --> 00:05:23,995 Speaker 1: and insisted Trump believes in common sense, not experts. The 91 00:05:24,155 --> 00:05:27,555 Speaker 1: problem is that as smooth as Walls was, what he 92 00:05:27,635 --> 00:05:31,075 Speaker 1: was trying to defend ultimately was still Trump, and it 93 00:05:31,115 --> 00:05:34,595 Speaker 1: was putting lipstick on it. It was so much Vance 94 00:05:34,675 --> 00:05:38,835 Speaker 1: defending Trump, so much Vance attacking Harris. It was exhausting. 95 00:05:39,275 --> 00:05:43,035 Speaker 1: At one point, as Vance literally referred to our borders 96 00:05:43,075 --> 00:05:47,595 Speaker 1: are kamala Harris, he pointed at Tim Walls, I hate 97 00:05:47,595 --> 00:05:52,195 Speaker 1: to tell you, Senator, that's not Kamala Harris. But the 98 00:05:52,235 --> 00:05:55,195 Speaker 1: longer that debate went on and the more topics were 99 00:05:55,195 --> 00:05:59,115 Speaker 1: addressed and in greater depth, the more Walls warmed to 100 00:05:59,195 --> 00:06:02,475 Speaker 1: the process, and I think the more the audience warmed 101 00:06:02,555 --> 00:06:05,555 Speaker 1: to him when it stopped being a proxy fight and 102 00:06:05,595 --> 00:06:09,875 Speaker 1: started being about Vance and Walls. Vance didn't have anybody 103 00:06:09,875 --> 00:06:13,955 Speaker 1: to talk about anymore. Vance complained about fact checking, Walls 104 00:06:14,075 --> 00:06:16,515 Speaker 1: quoted the Bible about what we do for the least 105 00:06:16,515 --> 00:06:19,795 Speaker 1: among us, and then he offered my pro tip for 106 00:06:19,875 --> 00:06:24,555 Speaker 1: the day, My pro tip for the day. As well 107 00:06:24,595 --> 00:06:28,395 Speaker 1: as those things resonated. Walls did miss several opportunities to 108 00:06:28,475 --> 00:06:32,075 Speaker 1: bury Vance on the subject of Springfield, Ohio, including a 109 00:06:32,075 --> 00:06:35,795 Speaker 1: moment when Vance insisted millions of illegal immigrants were taking 110 00:06:35,835 --> 00:06:40,995 Speaker 1: over homes in Springfield, Ohio. Instead, he laid Vance skate 111 00:06:41,115 --> 00:06:45,555 Speaker 1: on that, just as certainly Walls danced and effectively, I 112 00:06:45,635 --> 00:06:48,435 Speaker 1: might add around the conflict between where he was and 113 00:06:48,515 --> 00:06:51,235 Speaker 1: where he has said or implied he was during the 114 00:06:51,275 --> 00:06:55,555 Speaker 1: Tiedenman Square uprising in China in nineteen eighty nine. Vance 115 00:06:55,595 --> 00:06:58,795 Speaker 1: could have crushed him then. Instead, for some reason, he 116 00:06:59,035 --> 00:07:03,955 Speaker 1: changed topics to something he had memorized. What Vance and 117 00:07:03,995 --> 00:07:07,075 Speaker 1: the Republicans will say was their victory in this debate, 118 00:07:07,155 --> 00:07:10,915 Speaker 1: and it will resonate because it's not entirely untrue, is 119 00:07:10,955 --> 00:07:15,275 Speaker 1: that Vance's primary job was to sane wash Trump for 120 00:07:15,395 --> 00:07:17,875 Speaker 1: people who are not paying attention or who are only 121 00:07:17,955 --> 00:07:21,395 Speaker 1: getting the sanitized versions of Trump. In the New York times, 122 00:07:22,075 --> 00:07:27,755 Speaker 1: Vance seemed perhaps wrong, but definitely reasonable. Frankly, Vance did 123 00:07:27,755 --> 00:07:31,075 Speaker 1: not seem likely to stab you, only to pick your pocket. 124 00:07:32,195 --> 00:07:36,475 Speaker 1: Noting that CBS News largely steered out of its ethical skid, 125 00:07:36,795 --> 00:07:38,715 Speaker 1: and while this was not the best of the debates, 126 00:07:38,715 --> 00:07:41,755 Speaker 1: it was twice as good as CNN's disaster. There is 127 00:07:41,915 --> 00:07:46,195 Speaker 1: one last point to both of their credits. Unlike Trump 128 00:07:46,435 --> 00:07:50,235 Speaker 1: in every debate he's ever done, they got two issues, 129 00:07:50,915 --> 00:07:55,915 Speaker 1: they got two guns, They got to January sixth, Vance 130 00:07:56,035 --> 00:07:59,195 Speaker 1: was wrong about all these things. But when Vance said 131 00:07:59,235 --> 00:08:01,115 Speaker 1: the only thing that Trump did wrong was that the 132 00:08:01,195 --> 00:08:05,035 Speaker 1: Russians bought five hundred thousand dollars worth of Facebook ads 133 00:08:05,075 --> 00:08:10,155 Speaker 1: promoting Trump, walls picking his jaw off the floor, answered 134 00:08:10,675 --> 00:08:14,955 Speaker 1: January sixth was not Facebook ads, and he managed to 135 00:08:14,995 --> 00:08:18,355 Speaker 1: add of Mike Pence's refusal to overthrow the election on 136 00:08:18,355 --> 00:08:23,035 Speaker 1: Trump's behalf. That's why Mike Pence isn't on this stage. 137 00:08:23,435 --> 00:08:26,595 Speaker 5: I see a candidate out there who refused and now 138 00:08:26,675 --> 00:08:28,435 Speaker 5: again and this, I'm pretty shocked by this. 139 00:08:28,795 --> 00:08:29,755 Speaker 3: He lost the election. 140 00:08:30,275 --> 00:08:34,475 Speaker 5: This is not a debate, It's not anything anywhere other 141 00:08:34,595 --> 00:08:38,915 Speaker 5: than in Donald Trump's world. Because look, when Mike Pence 142 00:08:39,515 --> 00:08:43,515 Speaker 5: made that decision, to certify that election. That's why Mike 143 00:08:43,555 --> 00:08:46,715 Speaker 5: Pence isn't on this stage. What I'm concerned about is 144 00:08:47,115 --> 00:08:50,195 Speaker 5: where is the firewall? With Donald Trump. 145 00:08:50,715 --> 00:08:53,515 Speaker 1: On the other hand, the governor did fail to take 146 00:08:53,595 --> 00:08:58,795 Speaker 1: the priceless advice of Democratic strategist Ali Samarco, quoting all 147 00:08:58,875 --> 00:09:02,475 Speaker 1: Tim Wallas has to say tonight is I heard you're 148 00:09:02,515 --> 00:09:05,915 Speaker 1: here because the last guy got hung up and it's 149 00:09:05,955 --> 00:09:12,755 Speaker 1: over unquote. Lastly, when they addressed gun violence, Vance blamed 150 00:09:12,795 --> 00:09:16,275 Speaker 1: it exclusively on mental health and soft targets in schools 151 00:09:16,475 --> 00:09:22,195 Speaker 1: and insisted the answer was better door control. And that 152 00:09:22,835 --> 00:09:26,235 Speaker 1: was when Tim Walls gave the answer of the night. 153 00:09:26,675 --> 00:09:29,475 Speaker 5: This idea of stigmatizing mental health. Just because you have 154 00:09:29,515 --> 00:09:32,195 Speaker 5: a mental health issue doesn't mean you're violent. And I 155 00:09:32,195 --> 00:09:34,195 Speaker 5: think what we end up doing is we start looking 156 00:09:34,275 --> 00:09:38,195 Speaker 5: for escapeboat. Sometimes it just is the guns. It's just 157 00:09:38,315 --> 00:09:38,875 Speaker 5: the guns. 158 00:09:39,235 --> 00:09:43,075 Speaker 1: A couple of debate postscripts, or maybe more accurately, debate 159 00:09:43,155 --> 00:09:46,755 Speaker 1: prescripts in a story in which the cumulative IQ of 160 00:09:46,835 --> 00:09:50,035 Speaker 1: everybody involved is still in less than three digits total. 161 00:09:50,835 --> 00:09:54,875 Speaker 1: Trump went on Kelly an Conway's Fox Show and said, 162 00:09:54,915 --> 00:09:58,115 Speaker 1: of course Vance would beat Tim Walls last night because quote, 163 00:09:58,235 --> 00:10:01,355 Speaker 1: he's going up against a moron, a total moron, how 164 00:10:01,395 --> 00:10:05,515 Speaker 1: she picked him his unbelievable unquote. And then having heard this, 165 00:10:05,675 --> 00:10:08,835 Speaker 1: Kellyanne Conway went on Jesse Waters Fox Show and staid, 166 00:10:08,875 --> 00:10:15,555 Speaker 1: of the debate, quote, I have high expectations about J. D. Waltz. Well, 167 00:10:15,595 --> 00:10:17,475 Speaker 1: I was still trying to figure out if she meant JD. 168 00:10:17,795 --> 00:10:22,635 Speaker 1: Vance or Tim Walls or an entirely different other person 169 00:10:22,635 --> 00:10:25,475 Speaker 1: whose last name is Waltz, like in the last Waltz. 170 00:10:26,235 --> 00:10:28,755 Speaker 1: Kelly and Cohn Job came right back and said, quote, 171 00:10:28,875 --> 00:10:31,915 Speaker 1: the mainstream media and other Democrats did a really stupid 172 00:10:31,915 --> 00:10:35,115 Speaker 1: thing with J. D. Waltz. They tried to drown him 173 00:10:35,155 --> 00:10:39,875 Speaker 1: out in the first days after Trump picked him. So 174 00:10:39,955 --> 00:10:43,315 Speaker 1: there you have it, your twenty twenty four Republican ticket 175 00:10:43,355 --> 00:10:46,795 Speaker 1: per Kelly and Conway, Trump and J. 176 00:10:47,035 --> 00:10:47,875 Speaker 3: D Waltz. 177 00:10:49,315 --> 00:10:53,435 Speaker 1: Unless she meant the actor J. D. Walsh from Two 178 00:10:53,475 --> 00:10:56,355 Speaker 1: and a Half Men or the late actor J. T. 179 00:10:56,515 --> 00:11:00,355 Speaker 1: Walsh from Nixon and Good Morning Vietnam. And the bottom 180 00:11:00,395 --> 00:11:03,395 Speaker 1: line here is it's Kelly Ann Conway. She could have 181 00:11:03,475 --> 00:11:08,275 Speaker 1: meant anything, and sadly, one of the reasons we are 182 00:11:08,315 --> 00:11:10,315 Speaker 1: in a world in which Kelly Ane Conway was not 183 00:11:10,475 --> 00:11:12,755 Speaker 1: laughed out of Washington in the year two thousand and 184 00:11:12,835 --> 00:11:18,475 Speaker 1: two is because the guard rails behind the guard rails 185 00:11:19,235 --> 00:11:24,515 Speaker 1: beyond the original guard rails also failed. Back to the 186 00:11:24,555 --> 00:11:29,355 Speaker 1: subject of fact checking, This was yesterday morning from Brian Stelter, 187 00:11:29,795 --> 00:11:33,115 Speaker 1: one of the last two or three media news critics 188 00:11:33,235 --> 00:11:37,435 Speaker 1: left alive. As the industry shrinks like a collapsing star. 189 00:11:38,675 --> 00:11:40,715 Speaker 1: He and the others are supposed to be calling out 190 00:11:40,915 --> 00:11:45,635 Speaker 1: cowardice in journalism. Instead, he turned the shrug emoji into 191 00:11:45,715 --> 00:11:49,195 Speaker 1: written form, and he needed sixty four words to do it. 192 00:11:50,195 --> 00:11:56,155 Speaker 1: Quoting facts unchecked. CBS News executives are signaling that Nora 193 00:11:56,275 --> 00:12:00,315 Speaker 1: O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan will not fact check flagrantly false 194 00:12:00,355 --> 00:12:04,475 Speaker 1: claims made on stage. Well, that's a filthy, flagrant falsehood. 195 00:12:05,195 --> 00:12:08,675 Speaker 1: The moderators will give the candidates the opportunity to fact 196 00:12:08,755 --> 00:12:12,035 Speaker 1: check each other in real time. CBS Senior Vice president 197 00:12:12,115 --> 00:12:15,795 Speaker 1: Claudia Milne told The New York Times, repeating what I 198 00:12:15,835 --> 00:12:19,435 Speaker 1: wrote last month. Moderators are damned if they fact check, 199 00:12:19,755 --> 00:12:25,035 Speaker 1: and damned if they don't. No, they aren't. No, they 200 00:12:25,075 --> 00:12:31,035 Speaker 1: aren't doing your job as a journalist describing reality to 201 00:12:31,155 --> 00:12:36,795 Speaker 1: your readers or viewers or newsletter recipients telling the truth, 202 00:12:36,875 --> 00:12:41,355 Speaker 1: calling a lie a lie up up and down down, 203 00:12:41,675 --> 00:12:44,155 Speaker 1: and then being threatened or abused for doing it. That 204 00:12:44,275 --> 00:12:47,555 Speaker 1: is not the same as serving as nothing more than 205 00:12:47,595 --> 00:12:51,595 Speaker 1: the debate timekeeper and the person who says we'll be 206 00:12:51,715 --> 00:12:56,075 Speaker 1: right back, and as a result, jeopardizing freedom of the 207 00:12:56,115 --> 00:13:00,355 Speaker 1: press and democracy itself. That is not damned if you do, 208 00:13:00,555 --> 00:13:28,275 Speaker 1: and damned if you don't. It's just plain old damned. Meanwhile, 209 00:13:29,795 --> 00:13:33,835 Speaker 1: back at the Looney Ranch, oh nothing, it's just Trump, 210 00:13:33,915 --> 00:13:37,395 Speaker 1: who's actually responsible by commission and omission for the deaths 211 00:13:37,395 --> 00:13:40,075 Speaker 1: of more than one million Americans because it is literally 212 00:13:40,235 --> 00:13:45,835 Speaker 1: insane mishandling of COVID. It's just Trump accusing the vice 213 00:13:45,875 --> 00:13:50,875 Speaker 1: president of murder and misidentifying the victim and conflating the 214 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:52,555 Speaker 1: victim and the perpetrator. 215 00:13:52,755 --> 00:13:57,675 Speaker 5: I'm outraged that she let in the savage who raped 216 00:13:57,715 --> 00:13:59,155 Speaker 5: and murdered Rachel Moran. 217 00:13:59,275 --> 00:14:02,275 Speaker 2: Kamala let her in letter in she murdered him. 218 00:14:02,515 --> 00:14:05,635 Speaker 3: In my opinion, Kamala murdered him. It's like she did, 219 00:14:05,795 --> 00:14:07,395 Speaker 3: just like she had a gun in her hand. 220 00:14:07,755 --> 00:14:12,435 Speaker 1: Wait, he said him, he said, Kamala murdered him. And 221 00:14:12,755 --> 00:14:17,595 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris let her in the victim was a woman, 222 00:14:18,275 --> 00:14:23,355 Speaker 1: U syphilitic menace. Steal yourself for more of this. It 223 00:14:23,395 --> 00:14:25,635 Speaker 1: is just the beginning. I know you heard this quote yesterday. 224 00:14:25,635 --> 00:14:29,235 Speaker 1: We should all memorize it. Yale historian Tim Snyder. Trump 225 00:14:29,275 --> 00:14:32,715 Speaker 1: is in the classic dictatorial position. He needs to die 226 00:14:32,835 --> 00:14:36,635 Speaker 1: in bed holding all executive power to stay out of prison. 227 00:14:36,915 --> 00:14:38,755 Speaker 1: This means that he will do whatever he can to 228 00:14:38,795 --> 00:14:41,795 Speaker 1: gain power, and once in power, will do all that 229 00:14:41,835 --> 00:14:43,795 Speaker 1: he can do to never let it go. This is 230 00:14:43,835 --> 00:14:47,755 Speaker 1: a basic incentive structure which underlies everything else. It is 231 00:14:47,955 --> 00:14:54,755 Speaker 1: entirely inconsistent with democracy. Please learn it. By the beginning 232 00:14:54,755 --> 00:14:58,195 Speaker 1: of the new week, Trump continued yesterday to pretend he 233 00:14:58,275 --> 00:15:01,755 Speaker 1: did something to alleviate post Helene distress in the South. 234 00:15:02,515 --> 00:15:06,315 Speaker 1: There were actually stories reading he was first to visit 235 00:15:06,395 --> 00:15:09,955 Speaker 1: the damage in person, and to note that he launched 236 00:15:09,995 --> 00:15:13,755 Speaker 1: a gofund me that had raised more than one million dollars. 237 00:15:14,555 --> 00:15:17,155 Speaker 1: Left out of each of these stories, though, the reality 238 00:15:17,195 --> 00:15:20,555 Speaker 1: that he claims to be a multi billionaire. He rages 239 00:15:20,835 --> 00:15:24,475 Speaker 1: when contradicted on this point, and he never stops boasting 240 00:15:24,475 --> 00:15:27,195 Speaker 1: about how much money he has, and instead of going 241 00:15:27,235 --> 00:15:30,195 Speaker 1: to George Jordan, North Carolina or anywhere else and giving 242 00:15:30,235 --> 00:15:33,795 Speaker 1: away just some of his own money. He launched a 243 00:15:33,915 --> 00:15:38,475 Speaker 1: go fund me to give away other people's money and 244 00:15:38,755 --> 00:15:43,395 Speaker 1: take credit for it. Oh and guess what the gofund me. 245 00:15:44,155 --> 00:15:48,355 Speaker 1: He didn't donate to it either. As to the origin 246 00:15:48,395 --> 00:15:53,235 Speaker 1: of some of Trump's billions, hundreds of millions, some millions, 247 00:15:53,595 --> 00:15:59,675 Speaker 1: surprising news from Senate Democrats, they did something about the 248 00:15:59,715 --> 00:16:03,195 Speaker 1: egypt bribe scandal. The majority on the Judiciary Committee has 249 00:16:03,235 --> 00:16:06,715 Speaker 1: now written to the watchdog the DOJ, the Inspector General, 250 00:16:07,035 --> 00:16:10,795 Speaker 1: asking him to investigate whether Trump appointees quote interfered with 251 00:16:10,875 --> 00:16:14,595 Speaker 1: and ultimately blocked the criminal probe into the findings of 252 00:16:14,635 --> 00:16:19,035 Speaker 1: our intelligence agencies that the Egyptian government gave or sought 253 00:16:19,075 --> 00:16:22,115 Speaker 1: to give Trump ten million dollars to boost his White 254 00:16:22,155 --> 00:16:25,995 Speaker 1: House campaign eight years ago. This is good, boys, but 255 00:16:26,115 --> 00:16:32,155 Speaker 1: you know you can also hold hearings. And one more 256 00:16:32,195 --> 00:16:36,155 Speaker 1: Trump note, A group called the Crooked and Obscene Project 257 00:16:36,555 --> 00:16:41,315 Speaker 1: has unveiled a giant marionette version of Dementia J. Trump. 258 00:16:42,395 --> 00:16:45,035 Speaker 1: It will begin its tour of the United States on 259 00:16:45,235 --> 00:16:49,795 Speaker 1: Apex Harbor Lane in Las Vegas. It is there right now, 260 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:58,235 Speaker 1: darkening the sky. They say he's naked, made out of 261 00:16:58,315 --> 00:17:03,755 Speaker 1: rebar covered with foam and weighs approximately six thousand pounds 262 00:17:04,675 --> 00:17:09,555 Speaker 1: eight that's a marionette. Based on that description, that sounds 263 00:17:09,595 --> 00:17:22,795 Speaker 1: like him. And because I want you to be able 264 00:17:22,835 --> 00:17:28,115 Speaker 1: to enjoy my unique, weird, unearthly position on the fringes 265 00:17:28,155 --> 00:17:31,875 Speaker 1: of this next story as much frankly as I am, 266 00:17:32,995 --> 00:17:36,955 Speaker 1: CNN reports. The latest in the RFK Junior Olivia Newsy 267 00:17:37,035 --> 00:17:44,475 Speaker 1: story is she has sued her former fiance, Ryan Lizza 268 00:17:44,595 --> 00:17:49,755 Speaker 1: of Politico, and in the filing, she says that the 269 00:17:49,795 --> 00:17:52,395 Speaker 1: source of the leaks that got her suspended by New 270 00:17:52,475 --> 00:17:57,435 Speaker 1: York Magazine for an undisclosed personal relationship with the pervioust 271 00:17:57,515 --> 00:18:05,075 Speaker 1: of the Kennedys was Ryan of Politico. CNN quotes Livy 272 00:18:05,155 --> 00:18:07,635 Speaker 1: in the suit filed this week as claiming that Liza 273 00:18:08,115 --> 00:18:13,235 Speaker 1: quote explicitly threatened to make public personal information about me 274 00:18:13,835 --> 00:18:16,995 Speaker 1: to destroy my life, career and reputation, a threat he 275 00:18:17,035 --> 00:18:21,595 Speaker 1: has since carried out. CNN flesh this out a bit, 276 00:18:21,875 --> 00:18:25,755 Speaker 1: you should excuse the expression. Quoting its report, Newsy said 277 00:18:25,915 --> 00:18:29,555 Speaker 1: she believes Liza began his alleged harassment at the beginning 278 00:18:29,595 --> 00:18:33,315 Speaker 1: of July as a way to black mail her back 279 00:18:33,395 --> 00:18:36,875 Speaker 1: into a relationship with him and punish her when she 280 00:18:36,955 --> 00:18:41,395 Speaker 1: wouldn't acquiesce. She said. By the next month, Liza had 281 00:18:41,435 --> 00:18:45,315 Speaker 1: stolen a personal electronic device from her was hacking her devices, 282 00:18:45,475 --> 00:18:49,795 Speaker 1: then anonymously shopping information about her to the media. Some 283 00:18:49,955 --> 00:18:53,515 Speaker 1: of the information may have been doctored to hurt her more, 284 00:18:53,715 --> 00:18:58,555 Speaker 1: Newsy alleged, and she believes Liza impersonated an anonymous campaign 285 00:18:58,635 --> 00:19:02,355 Speaker 1: operative to give a political campaign information that would hurt 286 00:19:02,355 --> 00:19:06,795 Speaker 1: her further. According to the court recads, Newsy was granted 287 00:19:06,835 --> 00:19:12,275 Speaker 1: a temporary no contact order against Liza. The judge also 288 00:19:12,555 --> 00:19:17,635 Speaker 1: signed off CNN reports on her request to have police 289 00:19:18,395 --> 00:19:22,355 Speaker 1: accompany her when she attempts to get her possessions back 290 00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:26,915 Speaker 1: from Liza. The couple had lived together within the last year. 291 00:19:27,195 --> 00:19:33,955 Speaker 1: The court filing said, they are going to be cops. 292 00:19:35,115 --> 00:19:38,875 Speaker 1: Did you say, I'm sorry, I have to go and 293 00:19:38,915 --> 00:19:40,475 Speaker 1: I have to run to make sure I've got enough 294 00:19:40,515 --> 00:19:46,235 Speaker 1: popcorn for the rest of this I will add only 295 00:19:46,515 --> 00:19:50,235 Speaker 1: this detail to that headline, and the headline would be 296 00:19:50,675 --> 00:19:56,955 Speaker 1: Newsy Doozy. Court gets up in Liza's Bizza over rfk's Riz. 297 00:19:58,715 --> 00:20:02,075 Speaker 1: When Olivia and I lived together in New York and 298 00:20:02,115 --> 00:20:04,675 Speaker 1: she still worked for The Daily Beast, she frequently trapped 299 00:20:04,915 --> 00:20:08,075 Speaker 1: to DC on stories, and whenever she came back, she'd 300 00:20:08,115 --> 00:20:10,395 Speaker 1: give me a big hug and say she was sorry 301 00:20:10,435 --> 00:20:13,075 Speaker 1: for taking me for granted, because there was this creepy 302 00:20:13,155 --> 00:20:17,035 Speaker 1: guy who stalked her every time she went to Washington. 303 00:20:17,395 --> 00:20:22,155 Speaker 1: Do you know him? She'd ask? His name is Ryan? 304 00:20:22,475 --> 00:20:34,355 Speaker 1: Liza shrug emoji? Also of interest here, Well, nothing, nothing 305 00:20:34,395 --> 00:20:40,955 Speaker 1: compared to that obviously. Still, Pete Rose died Monday. People 306 00:20:40,955 --> 00:20:42,595 Speaker 1: seem to think he's not in the Baseball Hall of 307 00:20:42,595 --> 00:20:44,995 Speaker 1: Fame because he gambled on baseball while a player and 308 00:20:45,115 --> 00:20:50,515 Speaker 1: while a manager, and while a player manager. Actually, they 309 00:20:50,555 --> 00:20:53,355 Speaker 1: were just about to get beyond that, what with all 310 00:20:53,395 --> 00:20:56,275 Speaker 1: the betting in baseball now seven years ago. They were 311 00:20:56,315 --> 00:20:59,475 Speaker 1: about to let him in when that whole other thing 312 00:20:59,635 --> 00:21:03,675 Speaker 1: came up, the whole other thing everybody has forgotten about, 313 00:21:03,835 --> 00:21:06,395 Speaker 1: and almost no but he has mentioned since Pete Rose 314 00:21:06,475 --> 00:21:09,955 Speaker 1: died the other thing where he admitted in the court 315 00:21:10,035 --> 00:21:12,235 Speaker 1: documents that in the seventies, when he was married to 316 00:21:12,275 --> 00:21:14,435 Speaker 1: his first wife, he also had a mistress and the 317 00:21:14,475 --> 00:21:19,675 Speaker 1: mistress was fifteen years old. That's next. This is countdown. 318 00:21:22,395 --> 00:21:47,115 Speaker 3: This is countdown with Keith Olberman, my crazy friend. There's 319 00:21:47,155 --> 00:21:47,755 Speaker 3: a reason. 320 00:21:48,115 --> 00:21:51,395 Speaker 1: The announcer today is Tony Kornheiser of ESPN, formerly of 321 00:21:51,395 --> 00:21:54,555 Speaker 1: The Washington Post, still ahead of us on this edition 322 00:21:54,595 --> 00:21:57,275 Speaker 1: of Countdown the Death of Pete Rose. That's not the 323 00:21:57,315 --> 00:22:00,115 Speaker 1: reason I used to campaign against putting Pete Rose in 324 00:22:00,155 --> 00:22:02,875 Speaker 1: Baseball's Hall of Fame. Then I campaigned in favor of 325 00:22:02,915 --> 00:22:04,435 Speaker 1: putting him in Baseball's Hall of Fame. And then in 326 00:22:04,475 --> 00:22:08,715 Speaker 1: twoenty seventeen, the little other thing happened. Like I said, 327 00:22:08,795 --> 00:22:11,155 Speaker 1: that's when I started campaigning again for never putting him 328 00:22:11,155 --> 00:22:15,155 Speaker 1: in Baseball's Hall of Fame. You may recall in nineteen 329 00:22:15,515 --> 00:22:18,195 Speaker 1: eighty nine he'd been banned from baseball, and in twenty 330 00:22:18,275 --> 00:22:21,435 Speaker 1: seventeen Pete Rose sued the investigator whose work led up 331 00:22:21,475 --> 00:22:24,715 Speaker 1: to that banishment, and in discovery up popped this sworn 332 00:22:24,755 --> 00:22:28,075 Speaker 1: deposition from a woman who, to quote the Hollywood Reporter, 333 00:22:28,795 --> 00:22:31,955 Speaker 1: alleges that Rose had a relationship with her for several years, 334 00:22:31,955 --> 00:22:36,835 Speaker 1: beginning before she turned sixteen. Rose acknowledged in court documents 335 00:22:36,835 --> 00:22:38,555 Speaker 1: that he had sex with the woman, but thought she 336 00:22:38,795 --> 00:22:43,915 Speaker 1: was sixteen at the time. When you admit to sex 337 00:22:43,955 --> 00:22:47,155 Speaker 1: with a child, and your defense was, I thought she 338 00:22:47,315 --> 00:22:51,635 Speaker 1: was sixteen. You'd done That's why he's not in the 339 00:22:51,675 --> 00:22:53,195 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and will never be in the Hall 340 00:22:53,195 --> 00:22:56,235 Speaker 1: of fame. All this in depth in things I promised 341 00:22:56,235 --> 00:22:59,115 Speaker 1: not to tell coming up first, there are still more 342 00:22:59,115 --> 00:23:01,435 Speaker 1: new idiots to talk about. A rollicking addition of the 343 00:23:01,515 --> 00:23:04,155 Speaker 1: daily roundup of the miss Grants, morons and Dunning Kruger 344 00:23:04,155 --> 00:23:06,835 Speaker 1: effects better some meon's who constitute today's worst persons in 345 00:23:06,835 --> 00:23:10,075 Speaker 1: the world. And this is why Tony Kornheiser, formerly of 346 00:23:10,115 --> 00:23:16,075 Speaker 1: The Washington Post, is the announcer today the bronze worse 347 00:23:16,435 --> 00:23:22,915 Speaker 1: the WNBA Players Association Terry Carmichael Jackson President. One player 348 00:23:22,995 --> 00:23:26,035 Speaker 1: poked another player in the eye during a game. A 349 00:23:26,075 --> 00:23:30,395 Speaker 1: reporter from USA Today asked the poker politely and specifically 350 00:23:30,435 --> 00:23:33,355 Speaker 1: if it was deliberate or an accident. The player, to 351 00:23:33,395 --> 00:23:36,315 Speaker 1: her credit, did not get angry, did not go all snark, 352 00:23:36,435 --> 00:23:38,835 Speaker 1: but said hurting another player would never be part of 353 00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:41,995 Speaker 1: her game. She was just reaching for the ball. The 354 00:23:42,035 --> 00:23:44,475 Speaker 1: player and the reporter were both pros about it. There 355 00:23:44,475 --> 00:23:47,315 Speaker 1: were no angry words, there were no complaints. But the 356 00:23:47,395 --> 00:23:50,275 Speaker 1: injured player who got the finger in the eye was 357 00:23:50,315 --> 00:23:53,035 Speaker 1: the rookie who put the WNBA on the map this year. 358 00:23:53,115 --> 00:23:57,475 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, and the reporter was Christine Brennan, a fierce 359 00:23:57,595 --> 00:24:00,955 Speaker 1: advocate for women's sports, such a veteran that when she 360 00:24:01,155 --> 00:24:04,795 Speaker 1: joined The Washington Post alongside Tony Kornheiser, she had to 361 00:24:04,875 --> 00:24:09,515 Speaker 1: respond not just accusations, but assumptions that she had gotten 362 00:24:09,515 --> 00:24:12,955 Speaker 1: the job because she was sleeping with a Washington TV 363 00:24:13,075 --> 00:24:18,675 Speaker 1: sportscaster and for reasons yet to be explained. The WNBA 364 00:24:18,755 --> 00:24:24,515 Speaker 1: Players Association decided to respond to the extreme professionalism of 365 00:24:24,635 --> 00:24:27,275 Speaker 1: Chris Brennan and the player who is such a pro 366 00:24:27,475 --> 00:24:30,355 Speaker 1: I'm leaving her name out of this. Responded to this 367 00:24:30,675 --> 00:24:35,395 Speaker 1: by slandering Christine Brennan, quoting a message on behalf of 368 00:24:35,435 --> 00:24:37,115 Speaker 1: the one hundred and forty four that would be the 369 00:24:37,155 --> 00:24:41,395 Speaker 1: players in the union to unprofessional members of the media 370 00:24:41,475 --> 00:24:44,995 Speaker 1: like Christine Brennan, you are not fooling anyone. That so 371 00:24:45,155 --> 00:24:47,875 Speaker 1: called interview in the name of journalism was a blatant 372 00:24:47,875 --> 00:24:51,995 Speaker 1: attempt to bait a professional athlete into participating in a 373 00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:56,315 Speaker 1: narrative that is false and designed to fuel racist, homophobic, 374 00:24:56,355 --> 00:25:00,755 Speaker 1: and misogynistic vitriol on social media. You cannot hide behind 375 00:25:00,795 --> 00:25:04,635 Speaker 1: your tenure instead of demonstrating the cornerstones of journalism, ethic 376 00:25:04,875 --> 00:25:08,835 Speaker 1: like integrity, objectivity, and a fundamental commitment to truth. You 377 00:25:08,875 --> 00:25:12,595 Speaker 1: have chosen to be indecent and downright insincere. You have 378 00:25:12,635 --> 00:25:16,475 Speaker 1: abused your privileges and do not deserve the credentials issued 379 00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,795 Speaker 1: to you. This is the statement of the Players Union, 380 00:25:20,235 --> 00:25:22,475 Speaker 1: and you certainly are not entitled to any interviews with 381 00:25:22,515 --> 00:25:25,115 Speaker 1: the members of this union or any other athlete in sport. 382 00:25:25,475 --> 00:25:27,755 Speaker 1: Those credentials mean that you can ask anything, but they 383 00:25:27,795 --> 00:25:30,195 Speaker 1: also mean that you know the difference between what you 384 00:25:30,275 --> 00:25:35,315 Speaker 1: should and should not. We see you. Our relationship with 385 00:25:35,355 --> 00:25:37,475 Speaker 1: the media is a delicate one, and we will continue 386 00:25:37,475 --> 00:25:40,715 Speaker 1: to strengthen because the media is essential in growing the game. 387 00:25:40,995 --> 00:25:43,395 Speaker 1: No one knows that better than we do. But the 388 00:25:43,475 --> 00:25:46,915 Speaker 1: players are entitled to better. They are entitled to professionalism. 389 00:25:47,275 --> 00:25:52,275 Speaker 1: We call on USA Today Network to review its principles 390 00:25:52,315 --> 00:25:55,835 Speaker 1: of ethical conduct for newsrooms and address what we believe 391 00:25:55,915 --> 00:25:59,555 Speaker 1: is a violation of several core principles, including seeking and 392 00:25:59,635 --> 00:26:03,595 Speaker 1: reporting the truth. USA Today's Sports should explain why a 393 00:26:03,675 --> 00:26:08,475 Speaker 1: reporter with Klee bias and ulterior motives was assigned to 394 00:26:08,555 --> 00:26:11,475 Speaker 1: cover the league. We also urged the league to review 395 00:26:11,515 --> 00:26:15,315 Speaker 1: its policies and take measures to prevent such issues protecting 396 00:26:15,395 --> 00:26:19,195 Speaker 1: the integrity of the game at its players. Terry Carmichael Jackson, 397 00:26:19,275 --> 00:26:26,195 Speaker 1: Executive Director WNBPA, Yes, congratulations, we may have reached actual 398 00:26:26,595 --> 00:26:30,715 Speaker 1: equality in sports where the women athletes and their organizations 399 00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:34,195 Speaker 1: can be as big a set of jerks and idiots 400 00:26:34,195 --> 00:26:38,635 Speaker 1: and morons as male athletes. Perhaps we've even gone past 401 00:26:38,675 --> 00:26:41,795 Speaker 1: equality to women being in the lead in these areas 402 00:26:42,075 --> 00:26:44,995 Speaker 1: because they just trashed a woman who a mere thirty 403 00:26:45,075 --> 00:26:48,355 Speaker 1: years ago was being thrown out of sports locker rooms 404 00:26:48,355 --> 00:26:51,315 Speaker 1: because she was a woman, a woman who is one 405 00:26:51,355 --> 00:26:54,515 Speaker 1: of the people, without whom the only professional opportunities for 406 00:26:54,595 --> 00:26:59,955 Speaker 1: American women basketball stars in this country. The only opportunities 407 00:26:59,955 --> 00:27:01,755 Speaker 1: would not be in this country. They would be in 408 00:27:01,835 --> 00:27:08,355 Speaker 1: Russia still, or Europe or the Canary Islands. The WNBA 409 00:27:08,435 --> 00:27:12,995 Speaker 1: and its Players Association must immediately apologize to Christine Brennan 410 00:27:13,275 --> 00:27:18,635 Speaker 1: and WNBAPA President Terry Carmichael Jackson must resign or be fired. 411 00:27:18,915 --> 00:27:22,675 Speaker 1: She just made an asshole out of herself and every 412 00:27:22,675 --> 00:27:25,755 Speaker 1: one of her players. She's just set back her sport 413 00:27:25,835 --> 00:27:28,315 Speaker 1: and the gains it has made in the last few years. 414 00:27:28,395 --> 00:27:31,555 Speaker 1: If this is how the WNBPA is going to treat 415 00:27:31,595 --> 00:27:37,275 Speaker 1: its most loyal most honored reporters. Frankly, all news organizations 416 00:27:37,435 --> 00:27:42,515 Speaker 1: should boycott the WNBA, not even report the goddamn scores, 417 00:27:42,995 --> 00:27:46,995 Speaker 1: and networks like ESPN that Carrie WNBA games should refuse 418 00:27:47,075 --> 00:27:51,395 Speaker 1: to do so until the apology is made. The WNBA is, 419 00:27:51,475 --> 00:27:55,115 Speaker 1: by doing a press release like this, fabricating an environment 420 00:27:55,315 --> 00:27:59,435 Speaker 1: unsafe for media with exactly the same kind of deliberate 421 00:27:59,675 --> 00:28:03,515 Speaker 1: targeting of reporters done by the likes of Donald fing Trump, 422 00:28:04,115 --> 00:28:07,115 Speaker 1: and its history tells us that when a player's union 423 00:28:07,155 --> 00:28:10,155 Speaker 1: attacks the media, its next target will be the fans 424 00:28:10,195 --> 00:28:12,595 Speaker 1: it doesn't like. In other words, you and I are next. 425 00:28:13,355 --> 00:28:17,075 Speaker 1: Chris Brennan might be on the Mount Rushmore of the 426 00:28:17,115 --> 00:28:22,355 Speaker 1: builders of women's sports in this country, Terry Carmichael Jackson, 427 00:28:22,915 --> 00:28:27,835 Speaker 1: executive director of the WNBPA, is a bully and a 428 00:28:27,995 --> 00:28:33,515 Speaker 1: lawyer the runner up Leon, as Trump has called him. 429 00:28:33,515 --> 00:28:35,755 Speaker 1: I'd love to know what's wrong with Elon Musk based 430 00:28:35,795 --> 00:28:39,435 Speaker 1: on those profiles. My guest is he stoned. Look, he's 431 00:28:39,435 --> 00:28:42,275 Speaker 1: a fascist, he's a nut job, he's unstable, and as 432 00:28:42,275 --> 00:28:45,315 Speaker 1: somebody noted, all the spy movies of the sixties revolve 433 00:28:45,355 --> 00:28:48,515 Speaker 1: around a crazy billionaire who has the rockets and all 434 00:28:48,555 --> 00:28:53,595 Speaker 1: the communications systems and decides to take over the world. No, 435 00:28:53,715 --> 00:28:57,915 Speaker 1: I expect you to die. Mister bond Elmo's latest problem 436 00:28:58,035 --> 00:29:00,595 Speaker 1: is though, as he tries to take over the world, 437 00:29:00,635 --> 00:29:04,835 Speaker 1: he's making an extraordinary number of really stupid mistakes. He 438 00:29:04,875 --> 00:29:07,795 Speaker 1: has now posted one of these, right winger, I'm recording 439 00:29:07,795 --> 00:29:11,715 Speaker 1: this in my car idiot videos, and he wrote with it, 440 00:29:12,355 --> 00:29:16,635 Speaker 1: as this video describes, Trump supports women's rights far more 441 00:29:16,675 --> 00:29:20,355 Speaker 1: than Kabala. The video shows a young woman with dead 442 00:29:20,395 --> 00:29:22,675 Speaker 1: eyes and badly dyed hair who rambles on about how 443 00:29:22,755 --> 00:29:27,195 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has already been president? Is that true? Did 444 00:29:27,195 --> 00:29:29,515 Speaker 1: I miss something? Am I coming out of a coma? 445 00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:33,755 Speaker 1: Was she president already? She wasn't okay? And that Trump 446 00:29:33,875 --> 00:29:37,355 Speaker 1: quote was already president? How many rights did you lose? 447 00:29:39,195 --> 00:29:41,475 Speaker 1: I don't mean to tell you your business, ladies, not after 448 00:29:41,515 --> 00:29:45,395 Speaker 1: that opening part of this segment, but a lot of them. Actually, 449 00:29:45,435 --> 00:29:48,275 Speaker 1: a lot of rights have already been lost. The narrator 450 00:29:48,315 --> 00:29:50,915 Speaker 1: is clearly unaware of the repeal of Roe v. Wade 451 00:29:51,435 --> 00:29:54,275 Speaker 1: or the Trump planned to institute abortion bands wherever he 452 00:29:54,395 --> 00:29:59,195 Speaker 1: can and punish the states where he can't. Leon put 453 00:29:59,235 --> 00:30:02,355 Speaker 1: this out without really listening to it. Didn't he because 454 00:30:04,075 --> 00:30:11,715 Speaker 1: Zempics but the worst our winner, Rob Schneider, idiot formerly 455 00:30:11,755 --> 00:30:14,195 Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live, and apparently he was funny during 456 00:30:14,195 --> 00:30:18,875 Speaker 1: the audition. The basketball great to Kembe Mutumbo has died 457 00:30:18,915 --> 00:30:22,195 Speaker 1: after a long and terrible fight against brain cancer. And 458 00:30:22,315 --> 00:30:25,875 Speaker 1: Rob Schneider, who has gone over there to the fascist 459 00:30:25,995 --> 00:30:29,755 Speaker 1: Nicket night world where they'll all pretend your career isn't 460 00:30:29,795 --> 00:30:33,595 Speaker 1: over provided you support Trump, decided he had to say 461 00:30:33,635 --> 00:30:36,555 Speaker 1: something about it. Schneider posted a video of the late 462 00:30:36,715 --> 00:30:41,315 Speaker 1: beloved hoopstar mister Matumbo doing a video from Christmas of 463 00:30:41,355 --> 00:30:44,035 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, urging people to get the COVID shot 464 00:30:44,355 --> 00:30:47,475 Speaker 1: so they could all get together, and he wrote above 465 00:30:47,515 --> 00:30:51,595 Speaker 1: it rest in peace. I'm sure this is just another coincidence, 466 00:30:51,795 --> 00:30:54,435 Speaker 1: but I took a pass on the JAB and I'm 467 00:30:54,435 --> 00:30:56,195 Speaker 1: not going to let anyone I know and who will 468 00:30:56,235 --> 00:31:00,195 Speaker 1: listen get it either. Well, there's this much to say 469 00:31:00,195 --> 00:31:03,635 Speaker 1: about Rob Schneider. The one advantage he has is he 470 00:31:03,715 --> 00:31:06,595 Speaker 1: never has to face the prospect of what Kembe Mtumbo 471 00:31:06,675 --> 00:31:10,355 Speaker 1: had to face in brain cancer. Rob as they say, 472 00:31:10,955 --> 00:31:17,235 Speaker 1: no pain, no gain, but no brain, no pain. Schneider 473 00:31:17,755 --> 00:31:35,075 Speaker 1: two days worst person in the Land to the number 474 00:31:35,075 --> 00:31:38,635 Speaker 1: one story on the countdown, and as promised yesterday, some 475 00:31:38,715 --> 00:31:41,675 Speaker 1: thoughts on the passing of Pete Rose, and I wanted 476 00:31:41,715 --> 00:31:44,235 Speaker 1: to take extra time to think about it because my 477 00:31:44,355 --> 00:31:48,115 Speaker 1: thoughts about Pete Rose are all over the map, and 478 00:31:48,315 --> 00:31:50,435 Speaker 1: through the history of my life, they are even further 479 00:31:50,595 --> 00:31:56,115 Speaker 1: all over the map. For twenty years I campaigned against 480 00:31:56,155 --> 00:31:59,795 Speaker 1: Pete Rose being in Baseball's Hall of Fame, and just 481 00:32:00,115 --> 00:32:04,315 Speaker 1: after I had an epiphany that said, no, I think 482 00:32:04,355 --> 00:32:08,515 Speaker 1: he should be in. Just after that came the scandal 483 00:32:08,795 --> 00:32:12,635 Speaker 1: that proved that he had had an ongoing sexual relationship 484 00:32:12,875 --> 00:32:17,715 Speaker 1: with an underage girl, and the Hall of Fame question 485 00:32:17,795 --> 00:32:22,315 Speaker 1: became academic. I will say that this issue of Pete 486 00:32:22,395 --> 00:32:25,435 Speaker 1: Rose and gambling, and Pete Rose and the all time 487 00:32:25,555 --> 00:32:27,795 Speaker 1: hit record in baseball, the man who made more base 488 00:32:27,875 --> 00:32:30,515 Speaker 1: hits than anybody else, the man who round out every 489 00:32:30,555 --> 00:32:35,195 Speaker 1: ground ball and every flyball and every walk. The Pete 490 00:32:35,275 --> 00:32:39,835 Speaker 1: Rose story really is summarized by the first thought I 491 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:42,195 Speaker 1: had when the news was announced Monday evening that he 492 00:32:42,275 --> 00:32:45,195 Speaker 1: had died sometime during the day Monday. My thought was, 493 00:32:45,795 --> 00:32:47,595 Speaker 1: what did he have a bet down on that Mets 494 00:32:47,635 --> 00:32:51,875 Speaker 1: Braves game and it killed him? I knew Pete Rose 495 00:32:51,995 --> 00:32:54,995 Speaker 1: enough to know that he would have appreciated that joke. 496 00:32:55,795 --> 00:32:57,995 Speaker 1: He would not have appreciated the fact that he had 497 00:32:58,035 --> 00:33:00,115 Speaker 1: died without being put into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 498 00:33:00,115 --> 00:33:03,755 Speaker 1: because he said many times that he thought they were 499 00:33:03,795 --> 00:33:05,915 Speaker 1: waiting for him to die before they would put him in. 500 00:33:06,515 --> 00:33:08,675 Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever will go in. That 501 00:33:08,915 --> 00:33:15,355 Speaker 1: issue of the underage well, what it was child rape 502 00:33:15,595 --> 00:33:20,075 Speaker 1: will never go away. But that's why he's not in 503 00:33:20,115 --> 00:33:23,155 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I believe everything was turning for 504 00:33:23,195 --> 00:33:28,675 Speaker 1: Pete Rose twy ten to twenty fifteen. He had gotten 505 00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,395 Speaker 1: back into baseball. He was a commentator on Fox Sports, 506 00:33:31,755 --> 00:33:34,275 Speaker 1: and particularly given the nature of Fox Sports and the 507 00:33:34,395 --> 00:33:38,235 Speaker 1: nature of the decline in baseball commentary, especially on the 508 00:33:38,315 --> 00:33:41,155 Speaker 1: national level, he was doing very well. And then came 509 00:33:41,155 --> 00:33:43,715 Speaker 1: the story in twenty seventeen, and he had not been 510 00:33:43,755 --> 00:33:48,235 Speaker 1: heard from since. It's ironic that baseball and gambling are 511 00:33:48,235 --> 00:33:53,435 Speaker 1: now in bed together so frequently, so visibly, so positively, 512 00:33:53,555 --> 00:33:57,155 Speaker 1: that what Pete Rose did while he managed and before 513 00:33:57,195 --> 00:34:01,795 Speaker 1: that played for the Cincinnati Reds is seen almost as 514 00:34:01,955 --> 00:34:05,435 Speaker 1: a series of misdemeanors. It's a little bit more than that. 515 00:34:07,075 --> 00:34:10,235 Speaker 1: Pete Rose and let me explain this as briefly and 516 00:34:10,475 --> 00:34:15,635 Speaker 1: not intricately as possible. Pete Rose gambled on some Cincinnati 517 00:34:15,675 --> 00:34:18,035 Speaker 1: Reds baseball games while he was the manager of the 518 00:34:18,075 --> 00:34:20,795 Speaker 1: team and in fact player and manager of the team, 519 00:34:21,315 --> 00:34:24,315 Speaker 1: but he did not gamble on other Cincinnati Reds games. 520 00:34:24,915 --> 00:34:26,995 Speaker 1: He was the first one to point out, even after 521 00:34:27,115 --> 00:34:29,235 Speaker 1: all of the dirt about the gambling came out, that 522 00:34:29,315 --> 00:34:33,315 Speaker 1: he never bet against his own team. That's the cardinal 523 00:34:33,475 --> 00:34:36,275 Speaker 1: sin in sports. If you bet against your own team, 524 00:34:36,635 --> 00:34:39,075 Speaker 1: why then you may have gone out there and tried 525 00:34:39,115 --> 00:34:42,235 Speaker 1: to lose, in which case you are done. That's the 526 00:34:42,235 --> 00:34:44,715 Speaker 1: whole premise of the nineteen nineteen World Series and the 527 00:34:44,755 --> 00:34:47,755 Speaker 1: eight great players led by Shuelas Joe Jackson, who were 528 00:34:47,795 --> 00:34:50,995 Speaker 1: never permitted to play again once their confessions and their 529 00:34:51,035 --> 00:34:53,835 Speaker 1: trial ended the year after the nineteen nineteen World Series. 530 00:34:53,875 --> 00:34:57,475 Speaker 1: Did That's not what Pete Rose was accused of, But 531 00:34:57,795 --> 00:35:00,755 Speaker 1: in a way he did the passive aggressive version of that. 532 00:35:00,835 --> 00:35:03,275 Speaker 1: Because if you are the manager of a baseball team 533 00:35:03,515 --> 00:35:06,475 Speaker 1: and you are placing bat that's in thousands of dollars 534 00:35:06,555 --> 00:35:10,675 Speaker 1: in amounts on some of the games. What about the 535 00:35:10,715 --> 00:35:14,795 Speaker 1: games you chose not to bet on? Did you manage 536 00:35:14,835 --> 00:35:17,955 Speaker 1: them differently, And after all, it is the manager who 537 00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:21,395 Speaker 1: decides which pitcher is starting the game, which pitcher is 538 00:35:21,435 --> 00:35:25,355 Speaker 1: coming in in the sixth inning, the game is five 539 00:35:25,515 --> 00:35:28,115 Speaker 1: to two, your team is losing. Are you using your 540 00:35:28,195 --> 00:35:31,195 Speaker 1: best relief pitcher in the seventh inning because you have 541 00:35:31,235 --> 00:35:33,915 Speaker 1: a bet on the game, or are you saving him 542 00:35:33,995 --> 00:35:36,875 Speaker 1: till tomorrow when you will have a bet on the game. 543 00:35:36,955 --> 00:35:39,355 Speaker 1: That was the crux for me of why I could 544 00:35:39,395 --> 00:35:42,595 Speaker 1: never support Pete Rose going into Baseball's Hall of Fame. 545 00:35:43,075 --> 00:35:46,515 Speaker 1: As much as my experience with him personally was similar 546 00:35:46,555 --> 00:35:50,555 Speaker 1: to what most people's was, he was very charming, he 547 00:35:50,635 --> 00:35:54,275 Speaker 1: was very likable, and certainly you could talk about the nuances, 548 00:35:54,395 --> 00:35:57,435 Speaker 1: subtleties and history of the game with Pete Rose as 549 00:35:57,475 --> 00:36:00,555 Speaker 1: you could with few other players. He didn't just know 550 00:36:00,715 --> 00:36:04,675 Speaker 1: everybody from his own era. He knew everybody who'd ever 551 00:36:04,875 --> 00:36:08,715 Speaker 1: played Major League baseball, at least seemingly. He knew the 552 00:36:08,715 --> 00:36:11,315 Speaker 1: details of the life of Ty Cobb, the man who 553 00:36:11,315 --> 00:36:14,155 Speaker 1: he supplanted as the all time leader in hits. He 554 00:36:14,315 --> 00:36:17,595 Speaker 1: knew about nineteenth century players, he knew about the original 555 00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:22,075 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Red Stockings of eighteen sixty nine, and he was 556 00:36:22,115 --> 00:36:25,995 Speaker 1: always fascinating and particularly if you were willing to pay him. 557 00:36:26,435 --> 00:36:29,915 Speaker 1: He was always good for an anecdote and autograph a 558 00:36:29,915 --> 00:36:32,835 Speaker 1: piece of memorabilia, which I'll circle back to in a moment, 559 00:36:32,915 --> 00:36:37,675 Speaker 1: because when I was a teenager, I knew something was 560 00:36:37,715 --> 00:36:41,355 Speaker 1: wrong with Pete Rose because of that issue of memorabilia. 561 00:36:42,395 --> 00:36:45,355 Speaker 1: The other reason my mind changed on whether or not 562 00:36:45,515 --> 00:36:49,395 Speaker 1: Rose should go to the Hall of Fame was, of course, 563 00:36:49,435 --> 00:36:53,835 Speaker 1: the advent of the ped scandal, the performance enhancing drugs 564 00:36:53,835 --> 00:36:57,315 Speaker 1: for steroids, and then the next wave of human growth hormone, 565 00:36:57,595 --> 00:36:59,715 Speaker 1: and then what I presume has been going on behind 566 00:36:59,715 --> 00:37:04,155 Speaker 1: the surface in baseball for a while, whatever came next. Unfortunately, 567 00:37:04,755 --> 00:37:10,315 Speaker 1: those fans who, after too long painful no these guys 568 00:37:10,315 --> 00:37:15,875 Speaker 1: are clean scandals has serious doubts that all these guys 569 00:37:15,915 --> 00:37:19,035 Speaker 1: are clean. How can we ever be sure? 570 00:37:19,075 --> 00:37:19,355 Speaker 3: Again? 571 00:37:19,715 --> 00:37:25,115 Speaker 1: But that's another subject. My experience with Pete Rose was 572 00:37:25,195 --> 00:37:29,435 Speaker 1: largely limited to the year nineteen eighty nine. I can 573 00:37:29,595 --> 00:37:32,635 Speaker 1: see in my mind's eye the cover of the Sports 574 00:37:32,635 --> 00:37:35,835 Speaker 1: Illustrated magazine in which the Rose scandal, which I had 575 00:37:35,915 --> 00:37:39,555 Speaker 1: been hearing about behind the scenes for more than a decade, broke. 576 00:37:40,315 --> 00:37:46,075 Speaker 1: I'm standing outside the Angels spring training facility, in Palm Springs, California, 577 00:37:46,275 --> 00:37:48,995 Speaker 1: doing a live shot for my television station in Los 578 00:37:48,995 --> 00:37:52,435 Speaker 1: Angeles from the parking lot of the library across the street, 579 00:37:52,675 --> 00:37:55,515 Speaker 1: and there's the sports illustrated with his picture on it. 580 00:37:56,115 --> 00:37:59,635 Speaker 1: The entirety of that year, from March of nineteen eighty 581 00:37:59,715 --> 00:38:03,115 Speaker 1: nine through August twenty fourth, nineteen eighty nine was what's 582 00:38:03,155 --> 00:38:07,195 Speaker 1: the latest in the Pete Rose scan. Finally, in August 583 00:38:07,235 --> 00:38:09,955 Speaker 1: it seemed to have stalled, although there was clear evidence 584 00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:12,035 Speaker 1: that they were trying to get rid of Pete Rose, 585 00:38:12,035 --> 00:38:15,075 Speaker 1: and that he might be suspended or banished or fired 586 00:38:15,115 --> 00:38:18,115 Speaker 1: as manager of the Cincinnati Reds, or something else would happen, 587 00:38:18,355 --> 00:38:20,915 Speaker 1: or he would be indicted for tax evasion or a 588 00:38:20,995 --> 00:38:25,035 Speaker 1: thousand rumors swirled. Finally, I had a couple of weeks 589 00:38:25,035 --> 00:38:26,875 Speaker 1: of vacation coming to me, and I went back to 590 00:38:26,955 --> 00:38:30,075 Speaker 1: New York. I was to leave for Los Angeles and 591 00:38:30,115 --> 00:38:33,835 Speaker 1: return to my job, I believe on a Friday morning, 592 00:38:34,635 --> 00:38:38,555 Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon, the story broke that Pete Rose was going 593 00:38:38,635 --> 00:38:41,915 Speaker 1: to be suspended or banished by the Commissioner of Baseball, 594 00:38:42,835 --> 00:38:48,875 Speaker 1: Bart Jimatti, actor Paul Jamatti's father. The next day, well, 595 00:38:48,955 --> 00:38:51,555 Speaker 1: my flight was leaving the next day, so I postponed 596 00:38:51,595 --> 00:38:54,955 Speaker 1: that and I went to that news conference, and I 597 00:38:55,035 --> 00:38:59,195 Speaker 1: have never seen anything quite like the performance of Commissioner Jamatti, 598 00:38:59,555 --> 00:39:04,995 Speaker 1: who was a baseball purist and believed in justice, and 599 00:39:05,115 --> 00:39:08,875 Speaker 1: believed in fair play, and believed more than those things, 600 00:39:09,235 --> 00:39:13,555 Speaker 1: he believed in baseball, and he was justice in baseball. 601 00:39:14,195 --> 00:39:18,155 Speaker 1: And he managed to end Pete Rose's baseball career, whether 602 00:39:18,195 --> 00:39:20,035 Speaker 1: Pete Rose knew that's what he was signing in the 603 00:39:20,075 --> 00:39:22,755 Speaker 1: document that he signed or not. And I was in 604 00:39:22,795 --> 00:39:26,435 Speaker 1: the crowd by sheer happenstance, sharing a crew with a 605 00:39:26,475 --> 00:39:30,315 Speaker 1: reporter from Channel two in New York, using Channel two 606 00:39:30,315 --> 00:39:33,115 Speaker 1: in New York's equipment for my report for Channel two 607 00:39:33,115 --> 00:39:37,795 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, and I remember thinking as I watched 608 00:39:37,795 --> 00:39:40,675 Speaker 1: Bart Jimmatti in front of us, taking no questions but 609 00:39:40,755 --> 00:39:43,875 Speaker 1: making a speech. And he was the former president of Yale. 610 00:39:43,915 --> 00:39:45,675 Speaker 1: He could make a hell of a speech. And you 611 00:39:45,755 --> 00:39:48,875 Speaker 1: know what his son can do, Bart Jimotti standing there, 612 00:39:48,875 --> 00:39:51,235 Speaker 1: and I remember saying to the cameraman from the New 613 00:39:51,315 --> 00:39:54,915 Speaker 1: York station, I have never heard or seen anybody more 614 00:39:55,075 --> 00:39:59,675 Speaker 1: alive than the Commissioner of Baseball at this moment. He 615 00:39:59,715 --> 00:40:03,635 Speaker 1: died one week later on vacation a chainsmoker, and he 616 00:40:03,715 --> 00:40:09,475 Speaker 1: collapsed of a heart attack. One week later, one Friday, 617 00:40:09,555 --> 00:40:12,595 Speaker 1: Pete Rose is being banned, and the end of that saga, 618 00:40:13,715 --> 00:40:17,315 Speaker 1: as Jamati said that day, the story of mister Rose 619 00:40:17,355 --> 00:40:21,235 Speaker 1: is now over. Then a week later, Jamati's life was 620 00:40:22,835 --> 00:40:28,355 Speaker 1: extraordinary juxtaposition, very very sobering thing for a thirty year 621 00:40:28,395 --> 00:40:34,875 Speaker 1: old sportscaster to contemplate. In any event, My next face 622 00:40:34,915 --> 00:40:38,475 Speaker 1: to face experience with Pete Rose came in Cooperstown in 623 00:40:38,515 --> 00:40:40,835 Speaker 1: the year two thousand and nine. I was up there 624 00:40:40,875 --> 00:40:43,595 Speaker 1: with the broadcaster Tony Kubeck, who was going into the 625 00:40:43,595 --> 00:40:46,315 Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame and his family. I had been 626 00:40:46,835 --> 00:40:50,995 Speaker 1: their favorite newscaster and a favorite sportscaster, and Tony Kubeck 627 00:40:51,075 --> 00:40:53,675 Speaker 1: had been a favorite sportscaster of mine when he did 628 00:40:53,755 --> 00:40:57,515 Speaker 1: the Baseball Game of the Week. And somehow Tony Kubeck's 629 00:40:57,515 --> 00:41:00,955 Speaker 1: son invited me to be an honorary member of the 630 00:41:00,995 --> 00:41:02,635 Speaker 1: family for the Hall of Fame week. And I went 631 00:41:02,715 --> 00:41:06,355 Speaker 1: up there and luxuriated in this town and upstate New York, 632 00:41:06,515 --> 00:41:11,835 Speaker 1: full of Victorian houses and what smelled like snow already coming, 633 00:41:11,875 --> 00:41:15,755 Speaker 1: and it was July. Had a great time, had a blast, 634 00:41:15,755 --> 00:41:18,475 Speaker 1: and there was Pete Rose. So I talked to him, 635 00:41:18,755 --> 00:41:20,795 Speaker 1: and Pete Rose told me off the record that he 636 00:41:20,875 --> 00:41:24,195 Speaker 1: was going to he had had a preliminary meeting with 637 00:41:24,635 --> 00:41:27,395 Speaker 1: the Commissioner of Baseball about what he had to do 638 00:41:27,475 --> 00:41:31,115 Speaker 1: to be reinstated, and that he'd come back as a 639 00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:33,555 Speaker 1: special instructor. There'd be all sorts of limits as to 640 00:41:33,595 --> 00:41:36,635 Speaker 1: what he could and couldn't do, but that once they 641 00:41:36,675 --> 00:41:39,715 Speaker 1: had tried this out ten years before, he had been banned, 642 00:41:40,075 --> 00:41:42,635 Speaker 1: but he had been named to the Baseball All Century 643 00:41:42,635 --> 00:41:44,955 Speaker 1: Team for the twentieth Century. And even though he could 644 00:41:44,995 --> 00:41:47,875 Speaker 1: not work in baseball and any players who associated with 645 00:41:48,035 --> 00:41:51,395 Speaker 1: him were subject to being fined or punished or warned, 646 00:41:52,075 --> 00:41:54,515 Speaker 1: Baseball was somehow able to bring him onto the field 647 00:41:54,555 --> 00:41:58,315 Speaker 1: at the World Series and at the All Star Game 648 00:41:59,355 --> 00:42:02,235 Speaker 1: and present him as a member of the All Century Team. 649 00:42:02,675 --> 00:42:06,435 Speaker 1: This was a little discordant, a little critical, and yet 650 00:42:06,475 --> 00:42:09,155 Speaker 1: it was the first step in the rehabilitation of Pete Rose. 651 00:42:11,155 --> 00:42:14,515 Speaker 1: Somewhere after the ped scandals broke and I said, well, 652 00:42:14,555 --> 00:42:17,635 Speaker 1: you know what, this is comparatively nothing what Rose did 653 00:42:17,675 --> 00:42:21,315 Speaker 1: compared to what these guys did. And then Baseball began 654 00:42:21,595 --> 00:42:25,795 Speaker 1: to accept the idea of gambling to perform its own 655 00:42:26,435 --> 00:42:30,795 Speaker 1: gambling adjacent services like Fantasy League Baseball run by Baseball, 656 00:42:30,995 --> 00:42:35,395 Speaker 1: providing the stats an edge ever closer to having an 657 00:42:35,475 --> 00:42:40,675 Speaker 1: official wagering sponsor of each team, which it does now. 658 00:42:41,355 --> 00:42:44,035 Speaker 1: As that moment came, it became clear that Pete Rose 659 00:42:44,315 --> 00:42:46,315 Speaker 1: was going to get back into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 660 00:42:47,115 --> 00:42:51,275 Speaker 1: and not because he had improved at all, not because 661 00:42:51,315 --> 00:42:53,955 Speaker 1: he had admitted that he had gambled on baseball, because 662 00:42:53,955 --> 00:42:56,835 Speaker 1: he did that rather quickly, because he could sign baseball's 663 00:42:56,835 --> 00:42:59,315 Speaker 1: for money. As long as he wrote I'm sorry, I 664 00:42:59,355 --> 00:43:02,035 Speaker 1: bet on baseball, he could get an extra twenty dollars. 665 00:43:03,235 --> 00:43:05,555 Speaker 1: There's the old joke about the rare to Pete Rose 666 00:43:05,555 --> 00:43:12,115 Speaker 1: items is the Pete Rose unautographed baseball in any event, 667 00:43:13,395 --> 00:43:16,795 Speaker 1: I believe. In twenty fourteen, Bob Lee and I did 668 00:43:16,835 --> 00:43:21,555 Speaker 1: a special about Pete Rose and his reinstatement and whether 669 00:43:21,635 --> 00:43:25,475 Speaker 1: or not it should happen. And it included an interview 670 00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:28,915 Speaker 1: with Pete Rose, and he was exceptional and frank, and 671 00:43:29,035 --> 00:43:33,915 Speaker 1: you could not listen to that and say, no, there's 672 00:43:33,915 --> 00:43:36,715 Speaker 1: no way I can let him back in. I had 673 00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:40,675 Speaker 1: already come out after years of arguing this, arguing against 674 00:43:40,715 --> 00:43:43,035 Speaker 1: my old partner Dan Patrick, who insisted Rose should be 675 00:43:43,075 --> 00:43:45,675 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, arguing like we argued about 676 00:43:45,675 --> 00:43:48,715 Speaker 1: nothing else. I now suddenly jumped to the pro Pete 677 00:43:48,755 --> 00:43:51,195 Speaker 1: Rose side, And in a couple of years after that, 678 00:43:51,315 --> 00:43:54,555 Speaker 1: I'm doing an ESPN special about the reinstatement of Pete Rose, 679 00:43:54,795 --> 00:43:57,475 Speaker 1: and I say to him, I'm convinced. I don't think 680 00:43:57,515 --> 00:43:59,475 Speaker 1: what you did was right. I think it does not 681 00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,275 Speaker 1: require an eternal ban. I think they should put you 682 00:44:02,355 --> 00:44:07,275 Speaker 1: back in, but no, you can't manage it again. And 683 00:44:07,275 --> 00:44:10,675 Speaker 1: then came the story about the girl. I don't know 684 00:44:10,715 --> 00:44:13,595 Speaker 1: that he'll ever go in, but do not, as this 685 00:44:13,835 --> 00:44:17,115 Speaker 1: subject comes back to the forefront in the wake of 686 00:44:17,155 --> 00:44:21,715 Speaker 1: his sudden passing on Monday afternoon. Do not think that 687 00:44:21,755 --> 00:44:25,955 Speaker 1: he has been shunted aside because of the gambling. He 688 00:44:26,155 --> 00:44:29,155 Speaker 1: was shunted aside because of the gambling that was coming 689 00:44:29,195 --> 00:44:32,235 Speaker 1: to an end. He had been welcomed back, at least 690 00:44:32,275 --> 00:44:34,475 Speaker 1: to the degree that Baseball, which could have been very 691 00:44:34,515 --> 00:44:36,635 Speaker 1: easily said to Fox, No, you can't put him on 692 00:44:36,715 --> 00:44:40,235 Speaker 1: the baseball broadcasts, you can't put him on the studio shows. 693 00:44:40,395 --> 00:44:43,395 Speaker 1: You can't have him from center field during your World 694 00:44:43,515 --> 00:44:46,595 Speaker 1: Series telecast before and after the games themselves. You can't 695 00:44:46,635 --> 00:44:48,675 Speaker 1: do that. They could have easily said that. They never 696 00:44:48,715 --> 00:44:52,275 Speaker 1: did until that last scandal broke, and I don't know 697 00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:57,555 Speaker 1: if he ever recovers from that. And of course it 698 00:44:57,635 --> 00:45:05,395 Speaker 1: is tragic. It is somehow a tragic story, the way 699 00:45:05,515 --> 00:45:10,195 Speaker 1: a Shakespearean play is a tragic story, because the contrasts 700 00:45:10,755 --> 00:45:13,235 Speaker 1: between the good Pete Rose and the bad Pete Rose 701 00:45:13,275 --> 00:45:16,435 Speaker 1: looks so stark until you realize that it's the same guy, 702 00:45:16,555 --> 00:45:18,755 Speaker 1: and these are two aspects of the same guy. This 703 00:45:18,915 --> 00:45:23,915 Speaker 1: competitiveness that led him with good but not exceptional talents 704 00:45:23,955 --> 00:45:26,915 Speaker 1: to a mass more hits than anybody else in baseball history, 705 00:45:27,795 --> 00:45:30,515 Speaker 1: that led him to will a couple of teams into 706 00:45:30,555 --> 00:45:34,195 Speaker 1: the postseason, that allowed him to change from starting as 707 00:45:34,235 --> 00:45:37,275 Speaker 1: a second baseman, then becoming an outfielder, then becoming a 708 00:45:37,315 --> 00:45:40,155 Speaker 1: third baseman, then becoming a first baseman, each time to 709 00:45:40,315 --> 00:45:45,075 Speaker 1: improve the team that he was playing on. That will 710 00:45:45,395 --> 00:45:46,955 Speaker 1: was the same will that said I'm going to be 711 00:45:46,955 --> 00:45:53,355 Speaker 1: the greatest gambler of all time. The old joke was 712 00:45:53,635 --> 00:45:56,835 Speaker 1: Mickey Mantle told this story that his nickname Charlie Hustle, 713 00:45:56,875 --> 00:46:00,475 Speaker 1: which he embraced, was from an incident in a spring 714 00:46:00,555 --> 00:46:04,515 Speaker 1: training game where Mantle and Whitey Ford, his Yankee teammate, 715 00:46:05,155 --> 00:46:07,635 Speaker 1: were seated on the bench during the Cincinnati Reds New 716 00:46:07,675 --> 00:46:11,875 Speaker 1: York Yankees spring training game in March of perhaps nineteen 717 00:46:11,955 --> 00:46:16,795 Speaker 1: sixty three, and somebody hit a titanic home run far 718 00:46:16,955 --> 00:46:20,635 Speaker 1: into the right field stands. I mean a five hundred 719 00:46:20,675 --> 00:46:23,795 Speaker 1: foot home run that would have cleared the fence fifty 720 00:46:23,875 --> 00:46:26,435 Speaker 1: or sixty feet above the top of the outfield fence, 721 00:46:26,755 --> 00:46:32,395 Speaker 1: and they in their minds Mantle recalled Rose leaping above 722 00:46:32,435 --> 00:46:36,395 Speaker 1: the fence and coming only, you know, forty three feet 723 00:46:36,475 --> 00:46:40,355 Speaker 1: short of catching the home run. The problem is Pete 724 00:46:40,435 --> 00:46:42,515 Speaker 1: Rose was the second baseman then he did not play 725 00:46:42,515 --> 00:46:45,675 Speaker 1: the outfield in spring training or anywhere else until nineteen 726 00:46:45,755 --> 00:46:48,675 Speaker 1: sixty six or sixty seven. And the Charlie Hustle nickname 727 00:46:48,715 --> 00:46:53,395 Speaker 1: we know predates that. But the Charlie Hustle image is 728 00:46:53,435 --> 00:46:59,795 Speaker 1: that exactly false. Hustle, as the Saturday Night Live character 729 00:46:59,795 --> 00:47:03,475 Speaker 1: played by Gary Garrett Morris pointed out, Charlie Hustle, you 730 00:47:03,555 --> 00:47:07,475 Speaker 1: bet an ironic thing because that happened before we knew 731 00:47:07,515 --> 00:47:11,555 Speaker 1: about the gambling. So the Mantles story where he got 732 00:47:11,595 --> 00:47:14,995 Speaker 1: that nickname from is probably conflated with an actual event 733 00:47:15,035 --> 00:47:17,635 Speaker 1: in a World Series game, which is Saint Louis Cardinals 734 00:47:17,715 --> 00:47:21,235 Speaker 1: outfielder named Mike Shannon tried to catch Mantle's home run 735 00:47:21,275 --> 00:47:23,715 Speaker 1: that won Game three. I believe it was in the 736 00:47:23,795 --> 00:47:26,475 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four World Series, landed in the upper deck, 737 00:47:26,515 --> 00:47:29,675 Speaker 1: and if you look carefully on the film, Mike Shannon, 738 00:47:30,435 --> 00:47:33,595 Speaker 1: perhaps two hundred feet below where the home run landed, 739 00:47:33,715 --> 00:47:36,715 Speaker 1: is leaping in hopes of catching the ball, which he 740 00:47:36,755 --> 00:47:38,595 Speaker 1: could not have caught even if he had been one 741 00:47:38,635 --> 00:47:43,915 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety feet tall. I believe Mantle conflated Shannon 742 00:47:43,995 --> 00:47:46,435 Speaker 1: and Pete Rose, so that Charlie Hustle thing was more 743 00:47:46,555 --> 00:47:50,155 Speaker 1: likely a Cincinnati Reds New York Yankees exhibition game in 744 00:47:50,235 --> 00:47:52,955 Speaker 1: which Pete Rose must have gotten a walk as a 745 00:47:53,035 --> 00:47:55,555 Speaker 1: rookie is an unknown rookie who have played the year 746 00:47:55,595 --> 00:47:59,075 Speaker 1: before in the lowest minor league rungs, and he ran 747 00:47:59,115 --> 00:48:01,675 Speaker 1: to first base, and Whitey Ford turned to Mickey Mann 748 00:48:01,755 --> 00:48:04,555 Speaker 1: and said get a load to Charlie Hussell, and Rose 749 00:48:04,595 --> 00:48:08,195 Speaker 1: took that and made money off of it. Pete Rose 750 00:48:08,915 --> 00:48:12,155 Speaker 1: was not a contradiction. He was one guy. He was 751 00:48:12,195 --> 00:48:16,155 Speaker 1: going to beat you. Unfortunately, like so many people for 752 00:48:16,275 --> 00:48:21,275 Speaker 1: whom that is a mantra. There are no rules. Ultimately, 753 00:48:21,555 --> 00:48:24,875 Speaker 1: they may stop themselves from doing illegal things for fear 754 00:48:24,915 --> 00:48:28,115 Speaker 1: of getting caught, or they may not stop themselves from 755 00:48:28,155 --> 00:48:31,675 Speaker 1: doing illegal things for fear of getting caught. Pete Rose 756 00:48:31,715 --> 00:48:35,555 Speaker 1: got caught. As a last note, I promised you that 757 00:48:35,875 --> 00:48:38,475 Speaker 1: I had found out about the Pete Rose scandals without 758 00:48:38,515 --> 00:48:40,235 Speaker 1: knowing what they could have been about. I knew there 759 00:48:40,355 --> 00:48:45,275 Speaker 1: was something wrong in my late teens. I was one 760 00:48:45,315 --> 00:48:48,275 Speaker 1: of the first of the baseball card collectors as a kid, 761 00:48:48,755 --> 00:48:52,835 Speaker 1: and so I was at all the primordial baseball card 762 00:48:52,915 --> 00:48:56,155 Speaker 1: conventions we called them in those days, and the traffic 763 00:48:56,275 --> 00:48:59,555 Speaker 1: was almost all in cards and to some degree autographs 764 00:48:59,555 --> 00:49:05,675 Speaker 1: and photos, but generally publicly accessible stuff magazines, score cards, yearbooks, 765 00:49:05,715 --> 00:49:08,555 Speaker 1: the stuff anybody could buy. Just these were the ones 766 00:49:08,595 --> 00:49:11,915 Speaker 1: that people hadn't thrown out, except there was a small 767 00:49:11,995 --> 00:49:17,595 Speaker 1: market in game worn baseball uniforms. They were prized beyond words. 768 00:49:17,915 --> 00:49:19,795 Speaker 1: I don't know that there were more than one hundred 769 00:49:19,835 --> 00:49:23,075 Speaker 1: of them in private hands in nineteen say seventy six, 770 00:49:24,395 --> 00:49:28,995 Speaker 1: And then suddenly everywhere you turned, at the card conventions 771 00:49:29,035 --> 00:49:33,395 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy seven, there was a Pete Rose jersey available. 772 00:49:33,715 --> 00:49:36,315 Speaker 1: Every dealer in the New York Show in the spring 773 00:49:36,355 --> 00:49:40,515 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy seven seemed to have an autographed, game worn, 774 00:49:41,155 --> 00:49:45,435 Speaker 1: authentic Pete Rose game used uniform. It made no sense, 775 00:49:48,355 --> 00:49:52,155 Speaker 1: and throughout his career, dating back to his rookie year, 776 00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:57,555 Speaker 1: which was at that point fourteen years earlier, made no sense. Well. 777 00:49:57,555 --> 00:49:59,835 Speaker 1: Of course, what was happening was Pete Rose was in 778 00:49:59,875 --> 00:50:02,395 Speaker 1: financial trouble, and we figured that out pretty quickly that 779 00:50:02,475 --> 00:50:06,395 Speaker 1: the only possible source for these uniforms was Pete Rose. 780 00:50:07,035 --> 00:50:10,755 Speaker 1: In the past, baseball uniforms had leaked out through charity events, 781 00:50:10,795 --> 00:50:16,155 Speaker 1: through teams selling extra uniforms from equipment managers, stealing them 782 00:50:16,315 --> 00:50:19,795 Speaker 1: and then selling them into the hobby. But Pete Roses, 783 00:50:21,515 --> 00:50:23,635 Speaker 1: we're so voluminous that they could have only come from 784 00:50:23,795 --> 00:50:26,715 Speaker 1: one source, Pete Rose. He did it for the money. 785 00:50:27,115 --> 00:50:29,915 Speaker 1: He would take his uniform off and take it home 786 00:50:30,275 --> 00:50:32,435 Speaker 1: and wear a different one the next day. There were 787 00:50:32,595 --> 00:50:35,835 Speaker 1: hundreds upon hundreds of Game Warren Pete Rose uniforms. There 788 00:50:35,875 --> 00:50:38,395 Speaker 1: may have been some point in the late seventies where 789 00:50:38,395 --> 00:50:41,675 Speaker 1: there were more Pete Rose Game Warn uniforms than all 790 00:50:41,835 --> 00:50:44,235 Speaker 1: the Game Warn uniforms of all the other players in 791 00:50:44,275 --> 00:50:49,195 Speaker 1: baseball history combined, so we knew in the hobby Pete 792 00:50:49,195 --> 00:50:55,675 Speaker 1: needs the money. The joke was this, and it is 793 00:50:55,715 --> 00:50:57,515 Speaker 1: the joke that I think, also in addition to the 794 00:50:57,515 --> 00:50:59,835 Speaker 1: one I already made, Pete Rose might have enjoyed. I 795 00:50:59,875 --> 00:51:02,275 Speaker 1: don't remember if I told him about it or not. 796 00:51:04,475 --> 00:51:06,755 Speaker 1: The joke was that the collector goes up to the 797 00:51:06,755 --> 00:51:09,915 Speaker 1: dealer in uniforms sometime in the late seventies or early 798 00:51:09,955 --> 00:51:13,995 Speaker 1: eighties and says, I'd like to buy a Pete Rose 799 00:51:14,075 --> 00:51:23,595 Speaker 1: Game Warren uniform and the dealer says great, Cincinnati, Philadelphia 800 00:51:23,795 --> 00:51:27,275 Speaker 1: or Montreal. And the collector is a little surprised that 801 00:51:27,315 --> 00:51:37,315 Speaker 1: he has these options Cincinnati flannel or double knit flannel, 802 00:51:38,515 --> 00:51:43,315 Speaker 1: full sleeve pinstripe or nineteen sixty three to sixty six 803 00:51:43,475 --> 00:51:55,275 Speaker 1: best style, the full sleeve pinstripe, Please okay? Home or away? 804 00:51:55,435 --> 00:52:00,035 Speaker 1: And the guy is now totally flamixed and says, uh home, 805 00:52:01,155 --> 00:52:05,435 Speaker 1: and the dealer says one other question for you, Yes, 806 00:52:07,075 --> 00:52:23,715 Speaker 1: what size would you like? I've done all the damage 807 00:52:23,715 --> 00:52:25,555 Speaker 1: I can do here. Thank you for listening. We're now 808 00:52:25,595 --> 00:52:28,155 Speaker 1: back to five episodes a week, posting nightly just after 809 00:52:28,235 --> 00:52:31,435 Speaker 1: midnight Eastern once again there is a Monday countdown. Please 810 00:52:31,475 --> 00:52:33,835 Speaker 1: send this podcast to somebody who does not yet know 811 00:52:34,675 --> 00:52:38,075 Speaker 1: that they need to be listening to it. 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Everything else, 821 00:53:12,155 --> 00:53:17,115 Speaker 1: as always, is pretty much my fault. So that's countdown 822 00:53:17,155 --> 00:53:20,355 Speaker 1: for today. Four weeks and six days until the twenty 823 00:53:20,395 --> 00:53:23,795 Speaker 1: twenty four presidential election, the one three hundred and sixty 824 00:53:23,835 --> 00:53:27,875 Speaker 1: sixth day since convicted felon drooling Jay Trump's first attempted 825 00:53:27,955 --> 00:53:31,275 Speaker 1: coup against the democratically elected government of the United States. 826 00:53:31,915 --> 00:53:35,195 Speaker 1: Use the election, use the mental health system, use presidential 827 00:53:35,235 --> 00:53:38,715 Speaker 1: immunity if we have to to keep him from doing 828 00:53:38,715 --> 00:53:47,675 Speaker 1: it again while we still again. The next scheduled countdown 829 00:53:47,715 --> 00:53:50,435 Speaker 1: is tomorrow. 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