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Speaker 1: Welcome in to Turning Point Tonight. We're together, we are

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Speaker 1: charting the course of America's cultural comeback. My name is

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Speaker 1: Joe Bob. Thanks so much for tuning in with us.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the favorite things that I get

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Speaker 1: to do is I had this in my bio, is

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Speaker 1: get to talk to people who don't know that their

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Speaker 1: conservatives yet, because I think everybody actually is a conservative,

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Speaker 1: just the Libs don't tend to know. And part of

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Speaker 1: that is understanding how and why people move from the

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Speaker 1: walk away movement. Natalie Jean Bisner, is a former actress

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Speaker 1: important for everybody to know what are those triggers, if you,

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, that get people over

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming in and coming back. Really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. Doing so I would love to start off

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Speaker 1: like there. Well, first of all, how quote unquote far

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Speaker 1: to the left were you? Would you? Were you a

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Speaker 1: like crazy flaming hair lib or were you a Democrat?

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Speaker 1: Because I think those are two different things. And Bill Maher,

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: I was a liberal.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't, you know, out burning things down with blue hair.

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Speaker 3: But I am a two time Obama voter and shamefully

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Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton voter. I donated to Planned Parenthood. I really

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Speaker 3: was politically just completely uninformed though you know, I didn't

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Speaker 3: apathetic other than going every four years just to vote

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, So not necessarily into crazyville like light lighting tessels

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Speaker 1: So I guess how did you get there? Right? Because

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Speaker 3: Think that it is reflexive. I think that by default.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we've had questions like this for

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Speaker 1: My curiosity, though, leads me to wonder, does it need

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Speaker 1: How have you best been able to change the hearts

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Speaker 3: Well, you said it. It is a big question. I

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Speaker 1: here's how you kind of handle this situation or at

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Speaker 1: least guide it along to where you're the person they

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Speaker 1: go to when they have questions about Hey, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: not everything the media is saying is true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think love them anyways, continue the relationship.

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Speaker 3: You know, they want to stop relationships with us so often.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you can't control that, but do not be the

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Speaker 3: reason that a relationship stops because of politics. Obviously, take

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Speaker 3: care of yourself and all that, but love them anyways,

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Speaker 3: continue speaking the truth.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of times we want to shy.

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Speaker 3: Right away from religion and politics because we were raised

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Speaker 3: that it's not polite. But I think that that time

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Speaker 3: has kind of passed. You don't need to be aggressive

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Speaker 3: and start fights at the Christmas dinner table, but you

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Speaker 3: should speak truth. We should speak about these things. And again,

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Speaker 3: I think you just plant those seeds. But I know

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Speaker 3: that people don't like that because it's not a very

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Speaker 3: action oriented thing, and you're kind of leaving it up

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Speaker 3: to chance. I will say that I think if you can,

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Speaker 3: if people are open to, you know, send someone the video.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that really changed my mind on

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was that it took me until twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: three years to watch the full Charlottesville press conference and

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Speaker 3: realized that he did not say there's very fine people

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Speaker 3: on both sides. For three years, I had thought that

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Speaker 3: our president said that the Nazis are fine people, because

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Speaker 3: that is literally what the media told me. And even

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Speaker 3: when I sought out the full press conference, the CNBC

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Speaker 3: video on YouTube was misleadingly titled it was the full conference,

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Speaker 3: but it said, you know, he says there's very fine people.

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Speaker 3: Everything wants you to believe this one particular narrative, whatever

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Speaker 3: it is. There's so many hoaxes, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: if someone had had made me sit down and watched

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Speaker 3: the full video, would I have come away a Republican

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Speaker 3: or a Christian or a conservative. Probably not, but it

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Speaker 3: would have jolted something in me three years earlier to

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Speaker 3: realize that, oh, he actually explicitly condemned them twice in

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Speaker 3: this press conference. And it took me three years to

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Speaker 3: realize that and I had to go digging for it,

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Speaker 3: which is fine. But you know, if someone had sent

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Speaker 3: that to me, if someone had showed it to me,

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Speaker 3: maybe things would have been different. So if someone is

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Speaker 3: open to seeing these if you're able to dispel these

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Speaker 3: media eyes to a loved one, to a friend, I

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Speaker 3: say go for it, because you never know. I mean, really,

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Speaker 3: these people are believing an alternate reality and just seeing

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Speaker 3: the video might again plant that seed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I mean it's a difficult one, especially when Obama,

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Speaker 1: the most popular person in the Democrat Party, is also

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Speaker 1: peddling the live oh yeah good people on both sides.

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Speaker 1: He knows it isn't true, and he's just being cynical,

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Speaker 1: you know, compassionate friendliness and waiting for them to come along.

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Speaker 1: I like that, except for the fact that that probably

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Speaker 1: means I can't wear my Hillary for Prison t shirt

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Speaker 1: to Thanksgiving. But I think I'll survive. Natalie Bizner, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time. Really appreciate your insight.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Coming up next on Turning Points,

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Speaker 1: and I got a great clip from Clark's Culture Apothecary podcast,

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Speaker 1: Don't go Away. We'll be right back after this.

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Speaker 4: What happened to your daughter that really opened your eyes

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Speaker 4: to health insurance corruption in America.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, so, I actually this is my second

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Speaker 5: healthcare company. I sold my first company, and as such,

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Speaker 5: I didn't have insurance because most of us get insurance

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Speaker 5: to our employer. And so I had to go and say, Okay,

501
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Speaker 5: what are my options here? And I thought my only

502
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Speaker 5: option at the time was to get one of these

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Speaker 5: Obamacare plans off the marketplace, and so I went and

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Speaker 5: did that and it was I think it was eleven

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Speaker 5: or twelve hundred dollars for me, my wife, and my

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Speaker 5: two girls. And I kind of joked it worked until

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Speaker 5: I had to use it. Little one, who was one

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Speaker 5: at the time, was having recurring ear infections, and so

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Speaker 5: we went to the pediatrician who said she had a

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Speaker 5: hole in her ear drum. So, in essence, I'm sure

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Speaker 5: there's moms out there listening that can that can you

512
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Speaker 5: know feel this? You know, the fluid in her ear

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Speaker 5: got so significant that it popped her ear drum.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 5: So what we had to do is go get little

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Speaker 5: tubes in her ears, a little plastic tube so that

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Speaker 5: the fluid could drain out, so that her ear drums

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Speaker 5: wouldn't pop, and the ear noos and throat doctor who

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Speaker 5: we went to is like, this is bad, Like we

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Speaker 5: need to get this done now, and he actually delayed his.

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Speaker 6: Vacation by a day to do it for us. So

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Speaker 6: we went and did it.

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Speaker 5: We went in network, we did everything we were supposed

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Speaker 5: to do, and we got a bill three or four

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Speaker 5: weeks later from the hospital and it was eight thousand

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Speaker 5: dollars for a fifteen minute procedure. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 5: what eight thousand dollars for fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 6: I mean, wouldn't we all love that hourly rate?

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Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, well, this is what health

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Speaker 5: insurance is for, Like this is the whole point of

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Speaker 5: having health insurance. And little did I know that we'd

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Speaker 5: get a note about a month after that via snail mail,

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Speaker 5: funny enough that our health insurance plan said it was

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Speaker 5: medically unnecessary and so they weren't going to pay for it.

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Speaker 5: And so I was like, well, I know it was

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Speaker 5: medically necessary because my daughter now can actually sleep through

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Speaker 5: the night and she's not screaming and yelling all the

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Speaker 5: time because of the pain in her ears. And so

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Speaker 5: we went through two appeals processes, and the insurance plan

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Speaker 5: was still like Nope, we're not paying for it. So

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Speaker 5: I had a stroke an eight thousand dollars check to

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Speaker 5: the local hospital, and as you can probably imagine, I

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Speaker 5: was ticked. It was at that point where I was like, man,

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Speaker 5: health insurance just doesn't work. And the more I researched it,

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Speaker 5: I found this is not only not working for me,

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Speaker 5: but one out of five claims that are submitted to

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Speaker 5: health insurance plans are denied. So you have a twenty

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Speaker 5: percent chance of your claim getting denied by your health

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Speaker 5: insurance plan, and unfortunately I was one of the five.

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Speaker 5: And what broke my heart is that we've got two

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Speaker 5: hundred thousand people every year going bankrupt due to a

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Speaker 5: medical issue even though they have health insurance, right, So

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Speaker 5: these are people that have health insurance and are still

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Speaker 5: going bankrupt. And so at that point I was like, man,

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Speaker 5: I'm this health insurance clearly is not working. So I

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Speaker 5: actually quit my health insurance and became uninsured. And I've

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Speaker 5: been living uninsured now for the last five and a

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Speaker 5: half years. Delightfully uninsured, actually delightfully uninsured.

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Speaker 4: How is that possible?

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Speaker 5: I know, people are blown away when I said this

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Speaker 5: because we've all been conditioned to think that we have

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Speaker 5: to have insurance. And I know that you had brig

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Speaker 5: him on, you know, a couple months ago, and he's like, well,

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Speaker 5: everybody's got to have health insurance for the big ones,

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Speaker 5: and I would say, no, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Think he actually do.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you disagree with him?

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Speaker 7: All?

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Speaker 6: I do disagree with him?

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Speaker 7: All yeah?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Because you know what I've found after becoming uninsured is

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Speaker 5: that I actually have more negotiating power with hospitals and

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Speaker 5: doctors as an individual than even United Healthcare does, which

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Speaker 5: is the seventh largest company on the planet in terms

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Speaker 5: of revenue. I think they had four hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 5: of revenue last year. And so what I found is

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Speaker 5: that if I can go in and I can pay

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Speaker 5: cash for my procedures or pay the doctor directly, I

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Speaker 5: was getting significantly better prices than United Healthcare. And so

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Speaker 5: you know why is that that doesn't make sense economically.

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Speaker 5: But once you started understanding that there's all this administrative

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Speaker 5: expense that the government, that insurance plans, that your employer

585
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Speaker 5: introduced to the system, you could rip all that out.

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Speaker 5: It's way easier for the doctor to actually get paid,

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Speaker 5: and therefore they'll give you way better prices if you

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Speaker 5: pay them at the point of care. So, on average,

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Speaker 5: doctors spent about two days a week fighting health insurance

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Speaker 5: plans to get paid.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: Imagine if you had to fight with your employer two

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Speaker 5: days a week just to get paid, you know, and

594
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Speaker 5: so they're like, oh, wow, you're gonna actually pay me now, great,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to give you a way better price if

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Speaker 5: you pay me at the point of care than if

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Speaker 5: I have to fight with a health insurance plan.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's absolutely fascinating and so important I think for

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Speaker 4: people to even know, because I certainly didn't know that

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Speaker 4: when your daughter was denied and they said, well, this

601
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Speaker 4: procedure wasn't medically necessary. What have you found out about

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Speaker 4: health insurance companies and their thought process behind what is

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Speaker 4: medically necessary and what isn't, Because in your case, like

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Speaker 4: that was medically necessary, but they said it wasn't.

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Speaker 5: It's appalling actually, And to go into what I mentioned earlier,

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Speaker 5: where they have fifteen percent of your premium that you

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Speaker 5: can use as the profit. What they have allegedly done

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Speaker 5: this is now in the courts, is that they decide

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Speaker 5: on medical necessity based upon how well their profitability is

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Speaker 5: doing during that year. So just imagine if health care

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Speaker 5: costs are starting to increase and encroaching upon their fifteen

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Speaker 5: percent that they can use for profit, they dial up

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Speaker 5: the medical necessity requirements or dial it down, depending upon

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Speaker 5: where they're at at that point of the year. So

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Speaker 5: it's literally a computer algorithm that says, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: make it harder to get claims approved. Claims are you

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Speaker 5: know what we submit to a health insurance plan to say, hey,

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Speaker 5: here's what happened to me, or they dial it back

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Speaker 5: to make it easier, or they dial up pre authorization.

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Speaker 5: So for people who don't understand most of the time,

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Speaker 5: when your doctor does something significant, they have to get

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Speaker 5: it authorized by the health insurance plan before they can

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Speaker 5: do it. So, in essence, the health insurance plan is

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Speaker 5: telling you what you can and cannot do to get better.

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Speaker 5: And so again they dial up how hard it is

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Speaker 5: to get that pre authorization when they get to that

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Speaker 5: unprofitable level. Right, so they get the right to that

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Speaker 5: level and they dial it up or dial it back again.

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Speaker 5: who said, no, this is exactly what they do. They

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Speaker 5: make it harder to get your bills paid when their

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Speaker 5: profitability is at risk.

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Speaker 1: nonprofit influence across the country, if not the world. TPUSA

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can also email the show anytime you

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Speaker 1: want TPT at tpusa dot com. Some of you have

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Speaker 1: asked in the email what TPT stands for at a

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Speaker 1: turning Point tonight. I appreciate you being honest and asking

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Speaker 1: that question, But that's what it stands for TBT at

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Speaker 1: tpuosa dot com. You can email us whether you agree

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Speaker 1: with everything we've ever said on this show, or if

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Speaker 1: you're wrong, it doesn't matter. You can email the show

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Speaker 1: anytime you want TPT at tpusa dot com. It is Friday.

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Speaker 1: Let's have some fun. I like having fun. Let's play

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Speaker 1: this first clip and enjoy yourselves just a little bit.

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Speaker 11: So why are you here?

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Speaker 2: Do you like Chicago Sky? It looks like you do.

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Speaker 2: I have never heard of this group. I have never

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Speaker 2: heard of this.

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Speaker 6: You've never heard of guy basketball?

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Speaker 2: The women's team. No, you know they won the championship?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 3: You didn't know that, well now you do?

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Speaker 1: No, I do, But I just don't really know anything else.

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Speaker 2: All right, do you know who the skuy is playing today?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 2: What are you looking forward to today? With this group buffet?

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Speaker 2: We should get you on the court today. Huh okay,

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Speaker 2: let me see how you shoot your threes.

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Speaker 8: I don't like shoot threes.

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Speaker 9: This is no.

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Speaker 1: I think this is This is probably a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an old video. But the nobody watches the w

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Speaker 1: n B A. I just just that's the case. The

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Speaker 1: w n B A no group of people have hated

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Speaker 1: their own success more than the w NBA. What I

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Speaker 1: mean by that is Caylen Clark is the biggest deal

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Speaker 1: that's ever happened to women's basket, women's basketball. Uh uh,

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Speaker 1: she's now I'm forgetting her name. I was trying to

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Speaker 1: think of somebody else. Diana Tarrazzi, Lisa Leslie, Sue Byrd.

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Speaker 1: I think those are probably people that you're hearing the

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Speaker 1: names for the first time. But I, as a person

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Speaker 1: who pays attention to sports, barely remember the WNBA players

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Speaker 1: of old. Anyways, Kateler Carr's the biggest thing that's ever

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Speaker 1: happened to the WNBA, and everybody in the WA apparently

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Speaker 1: for some reason, just hates her. I don't quite understand

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Speaker 1: what it is. Some people might say it's a racial element.

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Speaker 1: We'll just leave that at that, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Just hilarious this kid. I have no idea why we're here.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a school trip. I'm excited for the buffet.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who was plague. I don't know what's

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Speaker 1: going on. I hope they have good food. I love that. Now,

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Speaker 1: speaking of people who have no idea what's going on,

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Speaker 1: This is a clip from Uber talking about well one

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Speaker 1: of the new innovative things that the company is doing.

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Speaker 1: Watch this from Uber, the ride sharing hailing app. Watch this.

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Speaker 7: We ask the writers to walk a few blocks to

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Speaker 7: a predetermined point at a predetermined time to participate in

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Speaker 7: a pre demend route which they will share with a

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Speaker 7: couple of other riders. We call that route share.

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Speaker 1: So riders are gonna have to walk to a predetermined

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Speaker 1: place at a predetermined time to get on a a

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Speaker 1: vehicle that's going on a predetermined route with other passes.

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Speaker 1: You guys invented a bus. Is anyone aware Uber that

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Speaker 1: that's what a bus is. A bus has bus stops

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Speaker 1: and it goes on a predetermined route at predetermined times

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Speaker 1: and there's other people on it. You invented a bus.

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Speaker 1: My question is, who's sitting around that business boardroom meeting

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Speaker 1: table thought, Hey, this is we're gonna call it sharing.

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Speaker 1: I forgot if you don't even know what it's called.

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Speaker 1: It's called a freaking bus. Guys. This is if here's

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Speaker 1: here's the caveat okay. If Uber can figure out how

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Speaker 1: to lessen the possibility of me riding a bus and

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Speaker 1: not getting stabbed by a meth head, I'd be willing

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Speaker 1: to try it out. I be willing to try out

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Speaker 1: Uber bus if they can figure out how to diminish

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Speaker 1: the possibility of that happening to me. If not, if

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Speaker 1: it's just a regular bus, I'm still not gonna ride

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Speaker 1: the bus. I've had to take public transportation before, and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to take it again. I'll

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Speaker 1: just dial up the app on my phone and have

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Speaker 1: a normal Uber ride. Who around that business table came

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Speaker 1: up with this and everybody thought, isn't that just a bus?

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Speaker 1: We have to make a big deal about this. Nobody did,

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Speaker 1: which just does show how privileged those people are. They've

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Speaker 1: never had to ride about, they never had to ride

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Speaker 1: public transportation. They didn't know that this already exists, and

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Speaker 1: it has existed since the automobile was invented. You know

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Speaker 1: who they should have talked to? Joe Anderson. Now you

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Speaker 1: might be confused. Ma'd be like, who the heck is

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Speaker 1: Joe Anderson. Well, you don't know who Joe Anderson either.

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Speaker 1: T just the kid filming this video. This is my

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Speaker 1: favorite genre of videos. It's called opecore. And apparently this

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Speaker 1: guy doesn't know who Joe Anderson is. Note to viewers,

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Speaker 1: don't be this lady.

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Speaker 12: Watch my husband's name is Joe Anderson.

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Speaker 8: Okay, yes, Joe Anderson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Joe Anderson. All right, you're not a very

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Speaker 2: informed person.

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Speaker 8: What does that mean?

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Speaker 6: I'm going to go with my husband Joe Anderson.

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Speaker 4: I'll talk to you so hopefully you will move your

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Speaker 4: car so that I can get my spot back.

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Speaker 8: I am not moving my car. I'm just giving your

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Speaker 8: heads up right now.

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Speaker 6: I am definitely going to get Joey Anderson.

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Speaker 8: You can get Joe Anderson's It doesn't matter to me though,

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Speaker 8: So I'm not moving the car. This is public street parking,

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Speaker 8: so why would I move my.

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Speaker 2: Car the Joe Anderson.

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Speaker 8: No, I already I heard you about Joe Anderson, But

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Speaker 8: I am parked here. Do you in a public street

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Speaker 8: parking spot? Or do you look down that party. Don't

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Speaker 8: worry about where I live. Don't worry about my I

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Speaker 8: worry about where's your house? Where's your house? Like I'm

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Speaker 8: going to tell you that right now. You just asked

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Speaker 8: me my house, so I.

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Speaker 2: Can ask you that this is my spot.

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Speaker 4: You're a very rude person, aren't If you're not a

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Speaker 4: friendly neighbors type.

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Speaker 8: Hom am I being rude. You just ran out to

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Speaker 8: my car yelling at me about parking.

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Speaker 1: Don't the type of person that name drops only name

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Speaker 1: drops people that are completely insignificant to the inconsequential to

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Speaker 1: the conversation. That's what I've noticed, especially in kind of

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Speaker 1: this like media public facing career. I've met some pretty

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Speaker 1: you know, big name people. Obviously I know some pretty

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Speaker 1: big name people. But the type of person that would

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Speaker 1: name drop somebody is the type of person that doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the authority to name drop that person, or that

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Speaker 1: person that they're name dropping is completely insignificant. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I know stan Stanifsklovsky. Okay, don't care, don't don't

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Speaker 1: be that lady. Don't name drop people, especially if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. If you know, if you're if you're Milania

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Speaker 1: Trump and you say I'm gonna get the president of

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Speaker 1: the United States, Fine, that makes sense to me. That

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Speaker 1: has there's some heft there. Everybody else, don't. Don't that

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Speaker 1: person that's gonna do it for us here at turning

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Speaker 1: point today, Charlie is gonna take us out. Have a

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Speaker 1: fantastic weekend, unplugged from the internet, in the news for

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Speaker 1: a little while. And because you should only get your

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Speaker 1: news here. So we'll see him Monday, same time, same place.

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend.

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Speaker 12: God bless America.

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Speaker 10: I go on campuses and ask a lot of questions,

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Speaker 10: and I ask what is a woman? And you know,

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Speaker 10: goes viral and and so now they have an answer.

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Speaker 10: This is the latest one the governor of Wisconsin. By

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Speaker 10: the way, this is what happens. If a church is silent,

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Speaker 10: you're seeing a comparing contrast. If the church is active,

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Speaker 10: we get righteousness, we get Donald Trump. Church is silent,

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Speaker 10: you get Wisconsin, you get Maine. By the way, Maine

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Speaker 10: is also one of the least churched states in the

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Speaker 10: country top five. So it's Oregon, Vermont, Maine. So you

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Speaker 10: can have a direct correlation a one to one of

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Speaker 10: the least church and the craziest ideas. Of course, obviously,

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Speaker 10: because where are people going.

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Speaker 6: To get meaning?

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Speaker 10: They will get it out of politics, they'll get out

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Speaker 10: of secular humanism, they'll get out of materialism, they'll get

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Speaker 10: out of postmodernism. Man will do whatever is right in

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Speaker 10: his own eyes, as the scriptures will say.

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Speaker 6: And so there's a direct correlation.

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Speaker 10: So Wisconsin has now referred to women, they have changed

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Speaker 10: it in their health guidelines to inseminated persons, mothers to

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Speaker 10: inseminated persons. Yeah, so for mothers to inseminated persons, you're right,

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Speaker 10: you're gonna Yeah.

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Speaker 11: When I first read this, like immediately, I had so

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Speaker 11: many questions. What are they calling fathers right, like inseminators?

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Like, what are they.

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Speaker 11: Calling grandmothers grand inseminated persons? Does Governor Evers not believe

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Speaker 11: that stepmothers are moms?

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Speaker 2: Does he not.

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Speaker 11: Believe that adopted moms are moms? These are all questions

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Speaker 11: that immediately popped into my head upon reading this. And

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Speaker 11: so I want to tell you we hear what the

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Speaker 11: left says. Actually, typically they don't have an answer for

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Speaker 11: the question of what is a woman? Charlie can attest.

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Speaker 11: It's this always a circular reasoning, right, A woman is

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Speaker 11: a woman, That's what it is. They don't have an answer,

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Speaker 11: but I do want to tell you how to answer

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Speaker 11: this because President Trump just signed a beautifully and thoroughly

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Speaker 11: written executive order declaring there are only two sexes. And

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Speaker 11: how he goes on to define woman in this executive

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Speaker 11: order is adult human female. And then it further goes

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Speaker 11: on to define female as someone who does have, should have,

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Speaker 11: or will have the capability to produce ova or eggs.

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Speaker 11: That is by far the most holistic, comprehensive definition of

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Speaker 11: the word woman.

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Speaker 10: So now you know, and so let's go even further

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Speaker 10: into the transit. So this is what's really important, is

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Speaker 10: that the NU men and women's sports we are winning

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Speaker 10: on this and we're going to win, and the Democrats

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Speaker 10: are on the wrong side of this issue politically and morally.

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Speaker 10: But it is only a symptom, no different than fever.

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Speaker 10: Is a symptom of COVID of a different underlying issue,

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Speaker 10: and that is the trans issue, which of course is

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Speaker 10: a symptom of a spiritual issue.

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Speaker 6: But let's zero in on the trans issue.

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Speaker 10: Because what I find is that some people are comfortable

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Speaker 10: of course saying yeah, yeah, you know, no men and

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Speaker 10: women's sports, but they get a little shaky if you

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Speaker 10: talk about outlawing the surgical removal of breasts for a

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Speaker 10: fourteen year old or the forbidding of chemical castration drugs

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Speaker 10: for a sixteen year old. Understand that is only one

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Speaker 10: symptom of an entire trans industry that is captured our

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Speaker 10: public school system, our mass media, our medical infrastructure, and

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Speaker 10: major portions of our government. The entire trans movement is

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Speaker 10: at odds with God's designed for us in more ways

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Speaker 10: than you might realize. Of course, it's the obvious of

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Speaker 10: the distinction between male and female, but at fun the

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Speaker 10: fundamental promise of transgenderism is that the will of man

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Speaker 10: can triumph over nature. That is the unspoken subtlety that

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Speaker 10: Christians need to lean an on that they won't say,

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Speaker 10: you were made, but you are a certain way we

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Speaker 10: believe you are designed. But if you want to change that,

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Speaker 10: you totally can through drugs, through surgery. With our saying

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Speaker 10: is that the will of man is sovereign overall. That

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Speaker 10: is a direct contention against everything that we as Christians

871
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Speaker 10: believe in Riley speak about this.

872
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Speaker 11: The thing is, I don't even I think the other

873
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Speaker 11: side understands that and is willing to admit that. And

874
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Speaker 11: that's the problem, right, You're right, it goes back to

875
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Speaker 11: the First Book.

876
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Speaker 6: Of course, we can speak.

877
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Speaker 11: About this all day long from an objective standpoint, from

878
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Speaker 11: the standpoint of biological reality, understanding that men punch sixty

879
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Speaker 11: percent hard. Of course, they throw further, they run faster,

880
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 11: they can jump higher. We can talk about that all

881
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Speaker 11: day long. But to your point, more importantly is what

882
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Speaker 11: it's what it says in the Bible. It goes back

883
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Speaker 11: to the First Book. He created them male and female

884
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Speaker 11: intentionally and uniquely in His perfect image. And to deny that,

885
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Speaker 11: or to attempt to alter that is to do is

886
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Speaker 11: to deny God. It's as simple as that. And the

887
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Speaker 11: other side, I don't even think they have a problem

888
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Speaker 11: admitting that anymore. They understand and they're totally okay with

889
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Speaker 11: the thought of themselves being their own God, which I

890
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Speaker 11: think is the scary part. And definitely, like you're referring to,

891
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Speaker 11: it's the root of the problem.

892
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Speaker 10: Yeah, And it's and I think that this is a

893
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Speaker 10: of course, it's a spiritual sickness. But to go even

894
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Speaker 10: a step further transgenderism and the whole movement is where

895
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Speaker 10: we lost and we got silent as a church on

896
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Speaker 10: the homosexuality issue. Right, So again this is where I

897
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Speaker 10: win no friends, but I don't care. Right, you're all

898
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Speaker 10: my so which is that homosexuality is a behavior.

899
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Speaker 6: It is not an identity.

900
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Speaker 10: And we can acknowledge, of course, and we should have

901
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Speaker 10: long suffering and patience and compassion for someone that deals

902
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Speaker 10: with the temptation to engage in that behavior, but we

903
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Speaker 10: should reject the premise that is who you are. And

904
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Speaker 10: it's so important because as soon as you yield the

905
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Speaker 10: terrain or the ground that your identity is in sin, well,

906
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Speaker 10: then it's that's then then you can't even say it's

907
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Speaker 10: it's irreversible, it's interlocked.

908
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Speaker 6: It's who you are. There's nothing I can do.

909
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Speaker 10: Well, then of course you say, see, they use the

910
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Speaker 10: same language the same way that I say that I'm

911
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Speaker 10: gay or lesbian, I'm a man or I'm a woman,

912
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Speaker 10: because that's my identity.

913
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Speaker 6: You see, one pairs with the other.

914
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Speaker 10: And we must understand that God's designed for us is

915
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Speaker 10: not a mistake, it's intentional, it's for our purpose, and

916
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Speaker 10: everybody struggles with something. Now the trans movement is it

917
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Speaker 10: would be one thing. And I'm sure all of you

918
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Speaker 10: guys agree with this. I wouldn't say it was right

919
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Speaker 10: or biblical or moral. If a grown dude showed up,

920
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Speaker 10: you know, wearing a dress, I would kind of look

921
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Speaker 10: at him weird, but I, you know, would say, hey,

922
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Speaker 10: do you need Jesus?

923
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Speaker 6: You probably do? Like that'd be about it. Right.

924
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Speaker 10: That has been around for everybody's life, right, pastor Tommy.

925
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Speaker 10: I mean, for as long as you guys have been around,

926
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Speaker 10: there's been kind of the one off guy. That's a

927
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Speaker 10: guy that wore a dress. That's not the issue here. What,

928
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Speaker 10: of course is the issue is that, Well, it's three things.

929
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Speaker 10: Number one, they want to come to our kids and

930
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Speaker 10: they get an our curriculum. That's big. But it's even

931
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Speaker 10: more than that. It's by force and threatening an extortion.

932
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Speaker 10: You must call him a woman, so then he bothers you.

933
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Speaker 10: So you're watching the church service, then he'll come up, Hey,

934
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Speaker 10: you know I'm a woman, right, you must call me

935
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Speaker 10: a woman. I thought we were minding our own business.

936
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Speaker 10: It's not live and let live. The trans people say

937
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Speaker 10: live and let us rule and rule over you and