WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Bootsy Collins (Part 1) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.159 Of Course Love Supreme is a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:07.000 This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:12.920 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode fifty seven 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:17.360 Bootsy Colleagues from November two thousand and seventeen. One of 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.240 the most colorful creative forces in music, Bootie Collins came 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.840 into James Brown's life in the nick of time and 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.639 gave him a burst of energy. He would later take 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.960 all that energy and helped George Clinton build the almighty 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.520 p Funk Empire. The stories are outrageous, y'all, so please 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:39.560 enjoy QLs Classic with the Baby Bubba Ball Baby Bubba 0:00:40.120 --> 0:01:01.480 Boots Zilla. Yo, all right, enjoy some Prima roll call 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:11.800 Suma road subprimo roll call names quilla. Yeah, and I 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.920 am shy ye, don't play him cheek Yeah, don't let 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:25.640 him frown some Prima road calla Prima rogue. My name 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:29.679 is Fonte, Yeah, and I must confess. Yeah. The answer 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:36.360 to the question yeah is very yes. Oh God, Prima 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:43.000 roll Brima, Prima roll call. Her name is sugar Baby. Yeah. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.639 That ain't no joke, yo. Yeah, I got a theory baby, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:58.800 Yeah about Pinocchio. Roll call Prima Prima rogue, hallelujah. Yeah, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.880 they call me boss, but yeah, not the friendly ghost. Yeah, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:12.120 but the holy ghost rod sign roll call frima Prima 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.840 roll that's my ear. Yeah, so ready for Booty. Yeah, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:32.720 I got my monkey's and my sweet love. Yeah, Prima rogue. Yeah, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:36.079 the name is boots. Yeah, and I got a request. 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:48.080 Roll call some prima roll on. Roll call frima prima, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:59.880 roll call Frema. That's roll call that That that Charlie Wilson, Yeah, 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:06.040 Trump Charlie Wilson. So, ladies and gentlemen, our guest today. Uh, 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:11.480 in my honest opinion, is the spiritual epicenter of postmodern 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:18.959 black music. H No, but listen listen. I mean Bootsy Collins, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.720 in my opinion, is a bridge like he he ushered 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:28.280 James Brown. Alright, alright people, His his young blood energy 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.760 gave James Brown new life for the seventies and basically 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:35.440 for that much, you know, because of sample and technology eighties, nineties, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.920 two and so forth. Not to mention him. Uh co 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:49.200 piloting the co pilot, yes, cool as as co pilot 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:55.200 of the the Mothership. Uh with George Clinton. Um, you know, 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:59.800 expanding our our, our, our minds and pushing the boundaries 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:05.120 of funk music and uh dare I said, uh afro 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:11.960 futurist ideas, uh and and and creativity into two millions 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.960 and uh not to mention. I mean he's pretty much 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:22.279 on the mount Rushmore of funcology. Absolutely, there's no there's 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.400 not much more to say than that. Welcome the one 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:30.960 and only Bootsy Collins to Quest Loves Again. Like I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:39.800 said before, I got one request, request Love. You're gonna 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.479 add that to the show. I think I might change 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:48.000 that to to you know, request Loves to pre Yeah, 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:52.800 you know what. Okay, so I know most of our 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.960 guests that come here, and of course that you know, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.200 we've known each other for a long time. But there's 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:01.720 one question I never asked you. Yeah, who how did 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:06.080 you get your name? Oh that's easy, man. Um Mama 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.640 looked at me and she told me that I look 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:13.479 like a boots. Yeah, and I you know, I'll start 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.640 to say, wha, can you tell me what a boots? 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.159 He looked like, you know, and then something stopped me 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.320 and said, well you see how deep she is, So 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.000 leave that alone. I just left it alone. It's boots 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:33.600 on your birth certificate. Uh no, Um, well, actually it 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:38.680 was added, but she just called me boots and just 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:44.279 stuck stuck. Everybody started calling me Bootsy. That was it. Yeah, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:49.720 I assume that you're Cincinnati resident. Correct, Yeah, you're born 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:56.320 in Cincinnati, Born in Cincinnati. Um, you know, uh didn't actually, well, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.440 at first, we did a lot of work in Cincinnati 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.640 and the King you know, King Wrecks. That's where we 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:05.800 actually got started with um all the different groups and 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:09.559 stuff that would recording there, and then finally with James Brown. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:16.400 So what what was your your childhood like in that city? Like, 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:21.960 did your parents migreat to Cincinnati or the entire from Yeah, 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.839 well I didn't get to know my dad, but um, 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:30.360 my mother, she was from Tennessee, Pulaski, Tennessee, and uh 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.240 then she came to Cincinnati, her and her a couple 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.279 of her sisters, and I kind of grew up with 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.359 my cousins. We all lived in one house and it 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:46.440 was pretty much ladies you know, um and so um, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.359 you know, ladies with the kids and and so you know, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.840 I kind of grew up. We was just having a blast. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.240 I mean it was just fun time, you know, um, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.520 not having nothing. Um, you know, everybody's used to that. 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:04.240 Funk is making something out of nothing. So you know, 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.800 it's like whatever we had, we dealt with it well. 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:13.480 Assuming that you were a child in the in the fifties, Yeah, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.760 you're so timeless. I don't even know what your ages, Like, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:20.480 you still might be twenty four years old as far 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:31.840 as i'm but uh, growing up in still aged. So 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:39.840 I know that for a lot of the h the 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:45.080 pioneers of of funking soul that we're from down south, Um, 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.239 their stories are definitely much more harsh. You know James 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:52.000 brown story of course, like that's typically that's typical pretty 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.040 much of anyone that lived below the Mason Dixon line. Um. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.520 But because you're kind of part of the Baby Boom 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.240 generation and that had you know that that grew up 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.920 in the in the Midwest, and there were factories and 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.280 jobs and all those things. Like was your childhood as similar, 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:14.120 Like was there still danger elements? Oh? Man, I mean 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:17.960 it was. It was all around us. Ohio was always 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.920 still Ohio. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean, you know, 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.440 it was all around us. You know. But um, we 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.520 kind of came with, I guess a new twist, the 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:29.120 same twist he was talking about when we bought that 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:33.120 new energy to James Brown. I think that's kind of 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.400 the way we came up. We refused to go with 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:40.440 how deep it actually was, so at that particular time 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.439 we would go on with it was deep. We was 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.840 in the riots. I was actually a part of all 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.960 that the Black Panthers used to come down on the 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.560 corner about a block from us. I mean, we was 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.280 into all of that. But at the same time, uh, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:59.360 it was it kind of just like George Clinton an 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.480 idea with Parliament funkadelic. All of that deep stuff was 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:09.360 going on. But we refused to react like that, you know. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:14.240 In other words, we made a little humor about it 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:18.680 where it was it was humorous enough not to be 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.920 like taking like were they laughing about it? You know? 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.600 I mean so it was a kind of silly, serious 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.760 kind of thing sometimes. Yeah, And that's kind of the 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.920 way we came up with our situation as deep as 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:40.400 the situation as was. So, how was music introduced to you? Oh? 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:46.040 My brother, my brother, how much he was eight years older? 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:52.640 I was like, yeah, Oh, he's my big Yeah, he's definitely. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.280 That's the only man figure I had in the house 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.440 that I looked up to that you know that I 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.400 kind of to be like, you know, we're not even 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.679 kind of I wanted to be like, describe catfish. How 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.560 did he get the name catfish? Oh? I WoT him out, man, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.080 I mean, you know, I mean he looked like a catfish. 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.280 I mean, you know, you look at it. You know, 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.480 you had these what's, you know, these little what's good 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.240 things going on, and he had these big guys, you know, 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:27.680 and he just looked like a catfish. Man. I'm having 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.960 because because most of these characters were introduced to me 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.480 via James Brown, right right right, I'm thinking, like, yo, 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.800 they got some funky nicknames, like I thought you had 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:42.719 catfish something like that looked like well, you know, now 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.480 I'm finally realizing I understand what my mother said when 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.320 she said I look like a boot to whatever that was. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.160 You know, I still don't know what a boots to 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:57.040 look like. Yeah. Yeah, but but then when I look 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.959 at it, I just said, because he looked like a catfish. 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.479 And that's the truth. I mean, there's no other explanation. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:09.320 He looked like a catfish. Did he appreciate this name? 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:13.800 He loved it. He loved I mean pretty much anybody 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.880 that I would nickname I mean they wind up loving it, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.960 and so you know, um that was the thing that 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.440 I did. I always came up with when I saw 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.360 a person in it, you know, if something hit me 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.520 like oh you know, yeah he was looking at me, 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:34.840 I was I thought it was a name in Seamon, 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.880 you know. So you know, and that's the way it 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.920 all went down. You know. It was like, um, uh, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.880 Catfish kind of brought the bands, you know to the 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.880 house and um we had like a two bit uh 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:05.080 to room house. But you know, my mother she was 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:10.199 into whatever we were into and music. You know, she 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.839 loved it. She loved you know that that we were 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:17.600 into music, and so um, Catfish would have the girls 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:21.199 and you know, the bands are all around the house 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:23.880 and I'm like nine years old. So I'm loving it. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.280 You know. I'm like, okay, I gotta learn how to play, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.000 you know, And so I started putting two and two together. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.320 I don't have a guitar. I don't have no way 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.880 of getting anything. So when my brother leaves to go 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.040 on the paper route, I'll just steal his guitar for 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.160 a moment. He don't touch my guitar type. Oh he 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:49.160 was definitely a don't you ever you know, and don't 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.679 never let me catch you with it, you know. So 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.800 I always knew when I get his guitar out of 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.720 the you know, out of the case, to put it 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:07.080 back exactly. But he tests the strings. He tested me 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.840 and busted me, you know it. All it took was 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.600 one time when he busted me. One time. I knew 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.400 then that I had to get myself a guitar, you know, 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.320 because he wore me out. It wasn't even I was 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.240 nine years old. He wowed me out like I was 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.160 a man. So so I I said, okay, I gotta 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.680 get me a guitar. And so I started doing my 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.880 own paper route. I got me a paper route, y'all? 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.320 Was he not even at least, but curious if you 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:39.319 could actually play? Or you know big brothers, you know, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.440 have big brothers treat a little sniping on his long 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:45.360 head suckers. Well that's the way I was treated, you know. 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.920 And all these people in the room, but you know, 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:55.800 are you are you pointing in? But you know he 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.920 you know, he first of all, he didn't think I 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.920 was serious, because you know, it's like the little younger. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.520 You know, he's gonna change his mind next week, you know, Um, 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.360 but I tricked him because you know, once I got 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.600 locked in like this is what I'm want to do, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.880 and you know, and I just started showing people that's 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.440 what I wanted to do. And and Catfish was the 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.600 last one that realized I was serious. You know. His 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:25.840 drummer named Raunchy uh was the baddest cat in Cincinnati, man, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.440 I mean, and he embraced me, you know, he allowed 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.640 me to come into their rehearsals. Cat was like, man, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:38.000 get that out of here, you know, um, but Raunchy 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.080 embraced me, man. And I used to stand there and 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:44.160 watch him play, you know, and while listening to the 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:47.240 guitars and you know, and the band thing was just 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.640 such a it was such a big deal back then. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:57.360 You know what the time was playing like this is 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:06.280 like six it it's like sixty nineteen sixties, sixty one. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.200 You know, I was born in fifty one, so nine 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:13.360 years after that is what like yeah, yeah, so it's 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.600 around in that time, right right before the British invasions, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.560 so right right, right, So what was listening to Lonnie 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:27.280 mack um uh tag man? It was so so much stuff, 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:32.720 so much of the instrumental kind of music stuff Curtis King, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:38.240 Curtis Miles Davis. Uh, I mean you name it. I 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.400 mean you know all of that stuff was you know, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.840 and then you had the Motown thing, Um that was 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.960 you know, that was hot beginning to be hot? Um? 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.680 And so was he playing like sop hops in those 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.880 things like area? Like were these bands? Was your brother 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:58.400 playing in? Yeah? Every club you can think of. I 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.640 mean the Muggs was playing in because that's what time 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.520 it was then. You know, it was like everybody was 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:10.360 playing clubs, you know. Um, it was more about um. Um. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:15.320 That's how I met as many musicians as I met 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:20.520 because I was always around. I always was watching, you know, um. 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.920 And that's how I kind of picked up on, you know, 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.320 certain things and and how to play and and all 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.080 of that because I didn't go to school for it. 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.680 So when he when how were you when he realized like, okay, 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:36.840 you're good enough and well what was deep was I 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.000 got a chance to play with him. That was my dream, 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.960 you know, even before playing with James or anybody, you know, 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.040 I wanted to play with my brother because I wanted 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:52.280 to prove to him that I was worth it. Yeah worthy, 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:57.240 you know, yeah, seriously, you know a big time. I 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.120 mean you know that one time I played with him 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:04.879 and what happened was, um, he was a call to 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.640 do a gig, a weekend gig, and the bass player 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:11.560 couldn't show up. So you know, I was like, yes, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.639 this is my chance, you know, and he was like, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.639 oh no, you know, He's like, no, not you you know. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:19.640 I'm you know, I'm gonna get me a basse play, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.840 but it ain't gonna be you you know. So I'm like, oh, man, man, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.359 So he kept trying to get the bass player. You know, 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:32.960 you know wasn't written. It wasn't written. So um he said, okay, man, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.199 he said, but you ain't even got no basse. And 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.160 I'm like, well, if you can get me four strings, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.760 I'll turn this guitar. I had a twenty out and 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:46.080 all guitar silver tone. No will forget it. James Brown 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.040 lasted me out. I'll tell you about that too. But 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.000 he uh, I said, you give me four strings, I'm 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.040 gonna turn this into a base. That's gonna be my base. 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.720 He said, okay, I get I get you four a string. 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.040 It better sound good. I was like, it's gonna be 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.840 the bomb, you know. So he gave me four strings. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:09.199 I put it on that guitar and that night played 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.119 the gig. I mean it was about the size of 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:17.240 this room full of people. I mean everybody was drunk 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.720 as a skunk. Okay, the Playboy Club, you got the 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:26.520 upper end Playboy right then you got the rat Hole Playboy. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:30.879 Guess which one? Guess which one we play? Yeah, it 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:36.320 was double rat Hole. So so we're playing. I mean, 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:38.440 I got mugs all up in my face because I'm 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.160 the youngest mug up there. So it's like, and I 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.280 you know, they say I siunded pretty good, so you 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.480 know I had to go with that. They're all up 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.240 in my face and my brother standing back there, he's 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:52.920 playing the lead and he's watching. You know, I didn't 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.080 know he was watching me like that, But after the gig, 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.040 it was like, okay, man, you know you're gonna me 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:05.200 to New Basse. Yeah, I mean, I mean I didn't 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.640 know what I was doing, but you know, he liked it, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.639 and that was the first time he liked anything that 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:17.199 I did. So I was like, yeah, So from and 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.199 from that day on we played together. From there, you know, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:28.480 from then on, your your brother's UM guitar technique. UM 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:35.080 probably I mean next h uh uh Chank Nolan and 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:41.560 and and she's Martin and James Brown's arsenal um. His 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:45.600 his guitar playing is like was he always that good, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.280 that precise with his rhythm? Always? Always? George to this 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:54.760 day will tell you that, you know, I mean, forget 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:58.919 the drum machine, you know, timing this boy was just 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:03.960 so his timing was so so so much better than mine, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.320 you know, and both of us had pretty you know, 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.760 a pretty good time, but his was like exceptional. You know, 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.720 he can turn around, everything can go off that the 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.560 p a everything, and cat will still be having that 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.000 thing going, you know. And and that happened to us 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:24.520 a few times. Yeah, yeah, and George just turning, turnaround, 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.640 start smiling and just you know, because you got catfish 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.520 that ain't gonna stop, you know. And if you move, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.320 he ain't going nowhere. You know. He don't get emotionally 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:39.280 upset or emotionally evolved. He's just grooving, you know, he's 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.120 doing his thing and once he gets locked. So see, 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:49.000 I knew his technique with timing was super important. Uh. 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:55.600 Catfish is probably his most iconic rhythm in my opinion, 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.600 is uh, get get into it and get involved, give 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:05.800 him his which never I mean I've I've heard a 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.359 ga jillion live versions of that and he's the anchor. Yeah, 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:13.920 more more than James drummer, is more than anything like, 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:18.720 that's the that's the driving rhythm that song. So yeah, 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.560 I just always like, did he practice a lot or 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.200 was it just like he practiced a lot? But he 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.600 it was just a natural thing to him. He was 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:31.040 chewing his gun every time he's seen that month his 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:35.800 gun and hitting the guitar, you know. And you know, 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.480 he first made his guitar um, you know, because he 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.000 was He went to Bloom Junior High and they had 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:47.439 a thing would a wood shop, you know, and he 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:52.040 made his first guitar um by hand and he put 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:56.639 these um fishing strings on it. You know. This was 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.560 before he knew what to do. You know. He just 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.840 the guitar, you know, and he made his own guitar 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.560 and put fishing strings on it and was nothing happening. 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.840 Once he found out was nothing happening, Um, then he 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:16.159 realized he needed a guitar, you know. And once he 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.560 got his first guitar, it was on. It was on. 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.000 He ever figure out how to make one after he 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.560 since he bought one. Did he ever go back to it? 0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.159 That's kind of fascinating. Yeah, he didn't. He didn't go 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.720 back to that, you know, Yeah, he didn't go back 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.800 to that because you know, it didn't take too long 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:38.360 after he started playing that, I got we got together, 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:42.399 and the next thing, you know, I mean, things just start, yeah, 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.080 start happening, you know. Um and you know, I like 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:53.080 people like Roger Um, Roger Trautman, uh, sugar Foot, all 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.800 of us kind of played in the same circle, you know, 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:59.960 in the same clubs, all of and all the bad 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.800 It was so many bands. Why were there so many? Okay, 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:07.520 so our listeners should know that Cincinnati is kind of 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.160 regarded as the the funk capital of the United States. 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:16.400 I mean, Ohio's regardless the funk, but Cincinnati in particular. 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:22.320 Why were there so many bands in Cincinnati? And is it? 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:25.160 Is it the effect of of King Records and James 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:27.960 Brown's operation being there and him recording at the time. 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.679 I personally think that that had a lot to do 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:37.200 with it, because it made young musicians want to be like, 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:40.960 you know, uh, these people that's recording all this stuff 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.600 in the you know, in the studio. Would he live 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:47.440 there or would he how often will you see James 0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.440 Brown on the streets? And this is before you joined him. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:54.600 I mean like, um, he would just random. It was 0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:57.840 a random thing where he come in. He stayed, um, 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.560 two or three days, sometimes times a week, you know, 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:07.200 with the band. And you know, our thing was we 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.760 were so hyped on the band that they were our 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.640 heroes because James was so out of reach that we 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.680 just knew we wasn't gonna meet him, you know. So 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.000 you know, I think was if we can only meet 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:27.160 the band, you know Fred, you know, Macio Clyde, come 0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.680 on man, Jabbo, you know, if we can meet and 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.199 that was our dream came true. But we first we 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:38.240 met Bobby Bird, who treated us like you know, we 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:44.320 were somebody and nobody knew us. Nobody knew us, you know. Um. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:50.680 And now that was before this is like pacemakers, Yeah, yeah, 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.760 this is I mean, nobody knew what was happening. We um, 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.879 first we met that uh the Depps you know, um, 0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.240 and so we used to all be in that same 0:25:02.320 --> 0:25:06.280 circle and so you know, one thing kind of sparked 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:10.600 off of another, you know, next thing, you know, um, 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.480 after the Dafts start recording over the King, some kind 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.000 of way. Oh, I'll tell you exactly how. Um. Charles S. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.040 Brolin came down to hear us playing at the club 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.119 and he was like, man the energy, y'all cast guy, 0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:27.199 we need that over the King Records. And he was 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:31.320 the A and our guy and and so um he 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:34.720 invited us over because he wanted us to be his 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:39.840 backup band for his recordings and any production stuff that 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.040 he does over in King. And so we agree, you know, 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.400 let's do it. Because we hadn't never been in no studio, 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:50.080 you know, not not um not recording you know, so 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:54.560 um um, we got a chance to start recording with him. 0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.840 Once we start recording with him, then Henry Glover and 0:25:58.960 --> 0:26:02.440 Jeane Red hit on us you know about recording with 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:08.240 you know, Arthur Price, sod Bill Dog, Hank Ballot. So 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:11.560 we was all on those records. Wait, so that's dude, 0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:18.840 is that you on? Yeah? Yeah, well build Dog and 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:24.640 then Soult Trees by author Price. So um, Hank Ballot, 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.280 we actually went on the road with a Hank Ballot. 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:31.719 We went on the road with him before. Yeah, of 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:37.480 course that's you because I have played half half notes. Yeah, 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:46.119 so that's who's the rhythmic section you and who's drumming. Damn, 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:53.320 that's fun. I ain't heard Are you serious? Yeah, I 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:56.800 don't listen to see to us because it's been sampled 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.160 like it's it's something totally different. It's the beat nuts. 0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:05.119 Are you ready right? But it's still even in B 0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:08.720 boy circles like that has been played millions of you 0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.919 know times always asked me about songs that I played 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.040 on and then I said, we'll play it for me. 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.480 Because when finished that sentence, I don't listen to what 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.920 you don't listen to your music. I don't listen to myself. 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:27.440 I don't. I don't play with myself. Sometimes it could 0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:34.560 be healthy, okay already, you know, you know, no, I 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:39.159 just um, you know, it was always so much coming 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:43.840 in that I never had time to just take a 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.480 break and listen to what I've did, what I've done, 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.480 because I was never interested in what I've done. It 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.880 was always what's coming next, because I always had something 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.399 coming in, you know, and I was I'll tell you 0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.360 what it was. I was so full of it. Now, 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.720 whatever that it was, I was full of it. I 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.960 mean full of it, you know, because you know, we 0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.199 used to hang with the brothers on the corner that 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:12.440 was our whole thing. Music got a chance to take 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:15.960 us out of that and give us a place where 0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:20.119 we can crack on ourselves. You know. It's like looking 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:22.639 in the mirror and laughing at yourself. It's like it 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.119 gave us a chance to do that with ourselves, you know. 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.880 And I just happened to run into somebody that liked 0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:32.880 that approach. George. You know that James was serious. That 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:37.080 boy was sad read us, you know, so he kind 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:41.200 of um helped me because he was like a father 0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:46.160 figure that wanted me to be a certain way. You know. Yeah, 0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.560 that this and I needed it. You know. We're just 0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.920 coming off the streets with the riots, you know, the 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:56.120 one Molotov cocks, cocktail stealing, you know, and we was 0:28:56.160 --> 0:29:00.280 a part of all that, and James reached in, pulled 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.760 us off the street, put us in the band. And 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.880 the next thing, you know, man, we were in Africa 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:11.160 with James Brown and then mugs over there bound down 0:29:11.480 --> 0:29:14.920 like we somebody and we're saying to us, say down, 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:18.320 we just played benefits in the clubs and ain't made 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:22.840 no money, you know. Now we were Jane Brown, you know, 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.800 so it hit us like that and we didn't have 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:28.440 just like the songs you're talking about, do I go 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:34.120 back and listen? I never analyzed that part of how 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:38.000 it felt with James Brown at that particularly because it 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.640 was so unreal that I had no feelings. It was 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:47.280 just deep. Do you think it's also a danger um? 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:55.320 I You know, I tend to avoid favorites of whatever 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.680 my audience expects because maybe there's a fear that you 0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:05.800 can't it replicate that or do it again. I mean, like, okay, 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.200 I know that in your in your job of doing concerts, 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.239 yes you have to do Bootsilla, you gotta do you know, 0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:16.360 Hollywood Squares or whatever. But just in terms of sitting 0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.680 back and listening to it, is it? Do you think 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.800 it's more of a psychological thing of because I a 0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:27.200 lot of artists refused to listen to their record at work, 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.720 you know, because it just it might be too haunting 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:36.240 of an earlier time. Well, you know what, I think 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:40.440 that's got something to do with it now. But but 0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.840 when I was coming up, I was, you know, I 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.360 was really too full of it to listen, go back 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.520 and listen, you know, because I had made up in 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.440 my mind I wasn't gonna be listening to radios. I 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:53.680 wasn't gonna be listening to how people do this and 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:57.120 how people do that. Once I got on a path, 0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:01.880 it was like, I'm just listening into the universe and 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.479 what they tell me, what what they sent me, you know, 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:09.760 and that's actually, um, that's the way I was feeling, 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:12.480 and that's what was going on at that time. But 0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.840 after all of that time, now it's like when I 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:21.200 put stuff on, it's like dag, you start feeling those feelings. 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:25.560 You know. It took all of that time though, for 0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.160 me to get to this point, you know, to where 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:30.880 it's like, if I put it rather beyond with you on, 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.080 that's that's gonna take me all the way back two 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:39.920 not only what we were doing on stage, but where 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:42.920 that actually came from in the first place, and who 0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.920 I was talking to, you know, And then all of 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:50.040 those feelings start coming up, and it's like, wow, I 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.719 don't want to feel that, you know. So that's understandable 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.200 because to us, you know, I think of a barbecue 0:31:56.240 --> 0:32:02.240 if I hear you know, your uncle barbecue. Yeah, But 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:03.920 for you, you could have been in a car accident 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:06.840 a week before you recorded. I'm gonna tell you exactly 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:09.800 what what where that came from. I was on the 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:15.320 way to the studio and what happened a traffic jam. 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:22.520 I'm called up this traffic jam. I was on the 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:26.040 way to the studio to record that, and I was like, 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:28.360 you know, and I was still coming up with you know, okay, 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:30.680 what's the you know, I'll still come. So I kind 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.000 of had to leave my mind. I'll always have my 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:37.960 mind open because sometimes you don't get it until you 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:42.600 right there on the mic and then bam, there it is, 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.480 you know. Um But I was on the way to 0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:50.000 the studio to record Body Slam, and I had I 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:51.640 got the lyrics. You know. I didn't know I was 0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:53.640 gonna get the lyrics that quick because you know, I 0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:56.600 had still had to record the song, you know, But 0:32:56.680 --> 0:32:59.520 then the lyrics can say that I'm called up. I mean, 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:02.440 the whole the whole way I did, and everything came, 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.360 you know, and I was like, I got it, you know. 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.520 And and then when you get to the studio, so 0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:13.160 you didn't have the luxury of um, yeah, you didn't 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:15.440 have that luxury, you know. So it was like you 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:19.280 have to remember, I mean, that's why we used our brains. 0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:20.880 Now you don't have to use your brain like that. 0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.920 You got smartphones to do it all for you, you know. 0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.160 But you know, we had to put stuff in there 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:32.040 and rely on that instant recall. Now, what was I 0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.480 thinking about about this? You know, this song I was 0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.800 gonna do, you know, and you had to recall that, 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.400 you know, And that was a that was the thing 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:46.600 that musicians had back in there in those days that 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.560 I think it's a lost art, you know. And you 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.400 won't even be thinking about that. Um, well, you don't 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.880 think about it too much now, no way, But five 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:01.120 or ten more years, that's gonna be you know, brain 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:10.200 is gonna be useful as far as at all. Before 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.759 I get to James Brown chapter, I just have to know, 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.400 um just in the battle of the band situation and 0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:24.839 all those local bands, who what band unit scared you? Like, 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:29.719 we're the Ohio Players players. Them boys was the baddest 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:33.239 boys in the world as far as I was concerned, 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:36.719 and as far as a lot of musicians, because any 0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:40.000 time they would play anywhere, you know, it was like 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.319 the whole front line of seats would be nothing but 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:54.640 musicians and they'd be there, you know, and and everybody 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.840 knew it wasn't like everybody's trying to hide. You know, 0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:01.000 everybody knew. I mean, these are the baddest boys. And 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:05.080 I'm gonna tell you something else. When they started making records, 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:10.120 that wasn't. That wasn't when they were really the bomb. 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.440 The bomb was one. They didn't have no records and 0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:19.359 they just played in them clubs. That's when they was killers. 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.160 I mean them boys. I mean, you ain't never seen 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.759 no show like this. You know how old at the 0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:31.600 time they had to be, like in their uh I say, 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:41.040 late teens, early twenties. Always had that voice always well, 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.000 he always had that voice, but he never used it 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:48.400 like he used it on the records, you know, because 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:52.240 it was always um uh. They always had a singer 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.600 that would do you know, the singing part, so sugar. 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:59.520 You know, he had that voice, but he never used 0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:03.480 it like because they always had someone else's. Yeah, somebody 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.120 else sing it, you know, speaking of voice. All right, 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:12.680 So we were working on a project like two thousand three. 0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.040 I forget the project, but you played me a demo. 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.920 Uh you told me He's like, yeah, of course, I 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.279 had a dream about Jimmie Hendricks and I want to 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.040 play it for you and you played me the song, 0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:29.920 and then I had one of those those bootsy kind 0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:33.800 of the thinking black man means memed to me. Pointing 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.960 to Temple, I was like, hey, you know what, you 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:42.279 kind of sound like Jimmy Hendricks. Not totally going over 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:51.200 my head that your whole voice is embodied Jimmy, and 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:56.680 so out what even gave you that thought too? To 0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:02.200 take on his well, you know, continue to take the away. Well, 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.480 you know, he was my hero anyway. I mean, um, 0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.880 and you know I used to have this room where 0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:16.360 it was about okay, say half of that half of 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:18.640 the say half of this room from there to year. 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.680 And we're in a very small room, right, yeah, very 0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:24.719 small and then pull the rest of the room all 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.480 the way up to here. Okay. So in that little 0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:32.319 box was my room, and I had a black light, 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:44.279 I had a bed and instant we l and and 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:50.800 I ate track. Okay, um, and that's you know, that's 0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:55.560 what I played. I played Jimmy Hendrix. Jimmy's poster was 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.919 up over the bed, okay, and all you could see 0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:00.759 when you walked in my own when you walked in 0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:05.200 my room, all you can see was that poster. You 0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:09.839 smelled the incense and you smelled the weed and that's 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:12.480 what I did. You know, this is why I'm confused though, 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:16.400 boot seat the weed LSD. But your memory is remarkable, 0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:23.120 like just help stoners. What don't well, it's just like 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.560 I was saying, how you retain stuff? And that was 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:31.080 some kind of gift, I mean, because you really don't 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:35.960 supposed to remember that kind But I actually the important 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:44.840 stuff that to me was the most important memory pretty 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.080 much of all, was to be able to remember that. 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.759 And I won't let that go. I won't let that 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:54.480 go because, um, it was one of the best times 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:58.440 in my life. You know, I was finding myself. I 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.960 didn't know what the heck was on. You know, I'm 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:06.879 sitting at listen to Howland Wolf, Santana, Jimmy, Um, I mean, 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:10.120 Miles Davis, I mean, you name it. And I'm sitting 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.000 there were not just sitting. I'm you know, doing something, 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:18.000 you know, and it's usually you know me, uh my 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:22.160 guitar on my base and I'm just sitting there and 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:25.640 I'm listening and I'm freaking out, you know. Um. And 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.759 it was always a good freak out, you know, it 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:33.759 was always a good besides yeah, besides Ernie Einsley. I 0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:37.200 just don't know another figure in black music that was 0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:42.600 young at the time that really absorbed Jimmy's essence. And 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.440 you know, I guess in the beginning, I was just 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.000 led to think that he was so freakish and out 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:53.400 there that the black community really didn't embrace it. Understand 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:56.120 they didn't understand what what How did you're in the 0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:59.160 inner city? How did it speak to you? It was 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:05.440 my year two not go with you know. It's it's 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:09.880 just like we were talking about the um, the serious 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:15.640 part of the blackness, and we took that and made 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:19.959 not fun of it, but made it, you know where 0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:23.719 you could kind of laugh about us partying on the 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:26.680 Mothership and you know, acting a fool and having a 0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.160 good time. So we had to kind of take the 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:34.360 seriousness and show people that we can actually have fun 0:40:34.480 --> 0:40:38.400 with this with ourselves. You know, we can actually laugh 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:41.760 with ourselves instead of you know, because we was making 0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:45.360 it through this deepness. You know, was so much deepness 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.439 going on. It's like, if we keep going this deeper, 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:51.239 everybody's gonna be dead in a minute. I mean, because 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.560 they're killing everybody. So we gotta figure out a new approach. 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.080 And it wasn't like we were sitting there analyzing, uh 0:40:58.400 --> 0:41:03.200 the next approach, you know, the one gave us certain 0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:09.720 talents and we just brought it to the people. You know. Um, 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:13.400 it's just like we took the street drug rap and 0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:19.040 made it funny, you know, p funk the bomb. I mean, 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:27.800 that's drug rap, you know. Now it's uncut, uncut, that's 0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:33.000 our street drug rap. So can you describe I'm glad 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:38.279 your memories there. Yeah, I want you because I have 0:41:38.360 --> 0:41:42.560 so many questions about the day that Bobby Bird came 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:46.040 to get you guys to play with James Brown, which 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:50.799 is essentially you're your your moment, you know what quest 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:55.200 Let me let me let me I didn't finish on Jimmy. 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:57.719 Let me let me just let me just tell you 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:03.920 how that came about. Um, what happened was we was 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.400 in the studio, George and I was in the studio 0:42:07.040 --> 0:42:11.840 recording be my Beach, and and I was in that 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:17.640 clowning around you know, um you know, and I said, yeah, 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:22.439 be my Beach, and George said, oh that's it, man, 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.560 that's it. And I was just clowning around, you know. 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.360 And next thing I know, George just like go ahead 0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:33.480 do that. That's that's the voice, and that is where 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:38.480 it started. I was doing my invitation of Jimmy. Okay, 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:45.880 so um, I'm sorry. So well, yeah, I'm explained to 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:54.120 you that that because of of of of financial reasons, uh, 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:59.239 the team of James Brown his band decided that they 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:05.040 were gonna will uh strike out mutiny the morning of 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:08.000 a gig. I think it's around eleven in the morning, 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:13.279 that we are not gonna go on stage until you 0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.000 get the money straight that you owe us. He was 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:23.319 a real Republican. There you go. So James decided to 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:28.640 call their bluff and he told his h his A 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:32.080 spoon coom, Bobby Birt, his his his AJ two, his 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:41.120 O J may see sports, I'm bad with sports. Uh, 0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.319 to get on the leridge at the private plane and 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.279 go to Cincinnati and go grab them kids and put 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.359 them on the plane and bring him down here. So 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:54.600 come showtime now. So they broke the line, y'all. Broke 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:59.880 the strike line, y'all. So tell me I got My 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.440 question was what parents in their right mind would just 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.319 let their teenage kids like go with James? Right? All right, 0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:11.839 I'm how teenage? He was nine? You were so first 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.880 of all, who is it and how old were you guys? 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.440 I assume that your brother was the oldest, right. And 0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:24.759 if he said, okay, so give me everything. What time 0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.640 did Bobby Bird come to the club and tell you guys, 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.800 stop what you're doing, come with me. We'll actually called 0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:34.759 he called first, and uh we was playing a benefit, 0:44:35.719 --> 0:44:38.879 um and you know we we would get whatever coming 0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.160 the door. And did nobody know us? I mean, you know, 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.800 so it was pretty much you know, um the fam 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:49.160 you know um, and so uh we wasn't really getting 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.760 no benefit, I mean as far as no money. So um. 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.400 When Bobby called, you know, I thought he was I 0:44:56.440 --> 0:45:00.000 thought it was he was joking, you know, like, yeah, 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.799 what do you say? He said, Mr Brown want y'all 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.880 to come down here, and you know and uh play 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:11.080 on the show. You know. So it wasn't like he 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.080 wants y'all, y'all to come down here and play with him. 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:15.920 It's like he wants y'all to come down here and 0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:19.480 play on the show. So it was like, oh, man, 0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:23.560 come on man, you know, yeah, man, I'm coming to 0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:26.520 get you. I'm coming to get you. In forty five 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:30.680 minutes on James Lerige and so y'all just be ready, 0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:35.640 you know. And I'm like, okay, So I go back, 0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.560 hang up because I'm still thinking he's joking. But I 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.080 go back and tell the boys, you know, I tell Cat, 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.640 you know, like Bobby, I just got off the phone 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.920 with Bird and he um, he said, James want us 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.480 to come down and play on the show. And so 0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:52.960 everybody's eyes lit up. You know, It's like, oh man, 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.720 he gotta be joking. It's like, no, man, I say. 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:58.799 He said, well, you better go tell mama, you know, 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:02.480 because you know Mama. You know, Mama ain't going for that, 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:06.960 you know. And I said, well, if you go, I 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.160 know she won't have a problem with it, you know. 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:14.839 So UM called Mama, and you know, I asked her. 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:18.440 I said, Mama, you know, um uh, we got an 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.000 offer to go down here play, you know on James Show. 0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:29.760 Where oh where it was Columbus, Georgia and you're in Cinati. 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:32.520 I'm in Cincinnati. How far is that flight wise? Like 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.720 you probably make that move like two hours maybe. I mean, now, 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.480 so what time is it when you get He had 0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:42.560 a lear yet, I mean to go fast. I never 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.920 understood the leader part that means faster private, but no, no, no, 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.040 they don't fool around. Them boys go straight up into 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:53.200 the egg. They don't, you know, they don't. James Brown 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:57.759 was that famous. Oh yeah, like I just got to 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:04.680 maybe private jet status, like yeah, no, he was that famous, 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:08.080 you know, and I got you know, that was the 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.040 first time we ever got on the plane. You know. 0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:18.359 So he actually came, Bobby Bird and you know, let's 0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:20.920 see what time was it. Now, See that's what my 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:34.239 memory forgotten. I wasn't I wasn't clocking it in, so 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:38.880 it had to be it had to be around I 0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:45.040 would say at least six seven somewhere around in there. 0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:50.000 And when he when he actually came and got us, 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.040 we game. We went straight into the limo, straight to 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:57.279 the plane, straight up in the air. It wasn't no 0:47:57.760 --> 0:48:00.520 you know what, no fooling around. What about luggage? And 0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:03.480 oh we just took our instruments. You know that that 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.399 green base. I was telling that twenty nine dollars, that's 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:09.520 what I had. And I'll tell you about Remind me 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.879 to tell you about what James thought about that base. 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:17.880 All right, So so we um we get there, Okay, 0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.560 we land, we get there, We go to the auditorium, 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:27.399 UM and then we hear all this ruckus going on 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:31.480 riding kind of vibe which we were used to. But 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:35.640 it's like we didn't realize it was directed at us, 0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:40.040 you know, and you know because the band is late, 0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.000 well that the band is and they're pointing at us, 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.680 and we like, we didn't know. We didn't even know 0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.359 he was walking into that into the front door where 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.200 we was getting ready to walk in the front door 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:58.520 into James Brown's famous enough to be in a theater. Yeah, 0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:03.279 they didn't think, hey, let's not first. They was just 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:05.759 gonna you know, they wanted to show the people that 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:07.520 the band had a rack called They didn't want to 0:49:07.520 --> 0:49:12.040 put it on James. It's the band's fault, you know. 0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:14.440 And see we ain'tn't even have to tell you the 0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.520 band's fault because they didn't shume. He didn't come through 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.600 the front door, you know. And we fools, I mean, 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.160 we we don't know what's that. We don't even know 0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.960 that we're actually playing with James Brown. He didn't tell 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.440 you that. They told us that we were coming to 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.960 play on James show. But wait a minute, you meaning 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:41.040 that two hour during that Bird's not going to Bird. 0:49:41.280 --> 0:49:46.040 James told Bird this is what I'm guessing that he 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:50.080 bet not say nothing about they coming, you know, coming 0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:52.719 down here to play with me. Just go get him. 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:55.920 That was that was, you know, that's what That was 0:49:55.960 --> 0:50:00.279 my take, okay. And then then I found out my 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:03.600 take was the truth when I got down there and 0:50:03.680 --> 0:50:06.680 we walked through start walking through the band once we 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:10.080 once we went around because we couldn't come through the front. 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.400 They was too deep. They was gonna start some some 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.000 serious you know. So Bird took us around to the 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:19.880 stage door. We went in the stage door, and the 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:23.600 next thing, you know, we started looking around and the vibe. 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.080 As soon as we got in the door, the vibe changed, 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:30.800 you know, it like jumped on us, like okay, something 0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:34.319 is wrong. We didn't know what it was, but it's 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:39.440 like something is wrong. And then I looked over and 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:46.520 I saw Fred and good, look at you. No, no, no, 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:54.000 I'm looking at it. They still arguing at James, at James, 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.360 you know, and you know at short you know what, James, 0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:59.880 They're looking down at it and it's like, you know, 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.200 to me, it looked like they was getting ready to 0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:06.279 choking or do something, you know, and I was like, 0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.879 what is that all about? He's like, oh, oh, yeah, 0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:16.839 I was gonna tell y'all. I was gonna tell you 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:18.759 that's why I wanted to get y'all back in here. 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:20.759 And then come on, we need to go into Jade 0:51:20.840 --> 0:51:25.520 Brown dressing room because we need to talk. So he 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.080 takes us back in James Brown dressing room. Next thing 0:51:29.120 --> 0:51:38.880 you know, James comes in you know Fellers Fellers. Yeah, yeah, glad, 0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:44.000 y'all made it. Uh, you know, I need y'all live 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:50.080 to play my set tonight, and we like, huh, you know, 0:51:50.800 --> 0:51:54.560 we ain't rehearsed. I thought we was gonna open it now, sir, 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:59.640 y'all playing on the James Brown Show. Y'all playing tonight, Andy, 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:01.840 And I said, well, how are we how are we 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:05.920 gonna know what to play? You know? He said, well, 0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:09.200 when I do like this in, I'm gonna call out 0:52:09.239 --> 0:52:14.960 the song Cold Sweat. And that's the way we did it. 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:30.720 Two questions. Was his music so inescapable that you guys 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.960 as a unit, I just knew it, like you knew 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.200 Mary had a little lamb, Like yeah, what it was 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.160 was at that time you got to realize that James 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:44.200 was the hottest mug, you know, black performer. It was 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:49.600 I mean and all the bands, every band knew his stuff. 0:52:50.160 --> 0:52:53.959 You know, at least that's something that would never happen again. 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:58.239 You're not that is like I knew they know my materials? 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.000 Like who is that up today? No one that that 0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:03.160 can never happen, that that will never happen again. It's 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:07.399 not only will it never happen again, but when I 0:53:07.480 --> 0:53:11.920 get with these artists like Stevie Wonder, don't know half 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:16.080 his songs now, like it's the opposite. We gotta remind them, 0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:18.680 don't remember you know what I mean? Like it's the 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:25.680 opposite song right now. Nah, I'll fake it till I'll 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:31.879 make it so okay. And my second question is that 0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:38.200 funk wasn't invented yet. You guys have yet to do. 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:43.200 Sex Machine is a week later, so like literally a 0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:47.920 week later. And so the thing is is that the 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:52.640 transformation of his music from the sudent tie soul thing 0:53:53.320 --> 0:54:01.480 and to the gritty How first of all did the 0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:07.319 audience by it? They've freaking loved it, they love And 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.719 how did you interpret those songs? Like did you just 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:14.000 approximated as his band would have done it? Well? You 0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:19.080 gotta understand too that we needed to be polished, you know. 0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:22.319 I mean we came in with what we came in with, 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:27.959 and that's raw energy, raw talent which needed to be 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:32.320 put on the one, as James would call it. And 0:54:32.680 --> 0:54:36.400 you know, me not being a like a talkt bass player, 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:42.680 I really didn't know, um the the purpose of the 0:54:42.719 --> 0:54:46.080 base other than you know, just play these low notes, 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:48.960 you know. But I played them like it was a 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:53.520 guitar because that's what I learned on And James was 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:58.799 responsible for telling me that. All right, son, look yeah, yeah, 0:55:00.360 --> 0:55:03.399 I love all that stuff you're doing that, Son, I 0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:06.239 love it. I love it. But the only thing you 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:10.160 gotta do, if you're gonna play with the Jane round, yo, 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:15.359 you got to give me the one. That's what I need, Son, 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:17.760 I need the one. You can play all that other stuff, 0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.560 but I need the one. Can you hit me with 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:24.799 the one? That's where the one comes from? So I 0:55:24.920 --> 0:55:29.000 learned the one. The one was birth. One was birth 0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:34.360 every member of the roots. I want you to listen 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:41.480 to this again because there is there. Can we explain 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:43.799 to the list of what the one is like. It's 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:48.319 it's it's an establishing pulse in music. You gotta have 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:54.000 a four count one two three four now for for 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:59.719 soul music, even though the emphasis is on you might 0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:03.800 are the snare on the tuone of four one two 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:09.080 four fun too, it's that what is first, that is 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:21.440 what it hits you and oh my god, okay, okay. 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:27.680 And the thing is is that it's it's a certain 0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:34.400 repetition after like African drum repetition. It there's joy and repetition, 0:56:35.280 --> 0:56:38.200 avoiding saying that I was trying to think of like, um, like, 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:39.960 I don't want nobody to tell me nothing. I don't 0:56:39.960 --> 0:56:46.040 want nobody to give me no, but not have a one. 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:47.799 I don't understand how you don't have a one, like 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:50.920 you gotta start somewhere. So how was this doesn't have one? 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.759 That one? Right? Right right? I'll give you a bad example. Well, 0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:01.520 here's weird. This is what's weird. Technically seven seven, seven 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:04.360 eleven doesn't have a one. Okay, I'll even make it 0:57:04.400 --> 0:57:08.760 easier for you. Uh, the Whisper song by the Yang 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:16.040 Twins doesn't have well, most snap music has no high hat. 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:21.720 You need a metronome. You need something that establishes the 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.640 pace of a song. You need a metronome. Now you know, 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.720 not every song is gonna have a like a one 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:31.880 to three four, but it's insinuated in your head. You 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.880 don't realize it, but you're being hypnotized every time a 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:40.120 loop happens. So I think James Brown's music really isn't 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:43.400 a linear structure of song like thinking like John Coltrane 0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:47.320 or jazz. Jazz is linear. James Brown is circular. And 0:57:47.360 --> 0:57:50.840 he has a whole bunch of people playing repeated notes 0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:54.720 all over again. P funk is even crazier because they'll 0:57:54.720 --> 0:58:01.000 have counter stuff, yeah, but repeating the same thing over again. 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:04.400 So by the seventh minute, like don't stop. Do you 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.160 get enough? You remember how it just breaks down today 0:58:09.360 --> 0:58:12.520 it's just stopped, playing over and over and over again. 0:58:12.600 --> 0:58:15.040 Shake your body down to the ground. Another example, And 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:17.360 that's a loop that's like a one bar. Yeah, there's 0:58:17.400 --> 0:58:22.920 no that's it. That's the song. So the one is 0:58:23.000 --> 0:58:26.920 just it's just it's it needs to be super obvious sometimes. 0:58:27.960 --> 0:58:32.600 And you know with my band, you know, and this this, 0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:36.160 this is the one downfall of worship Jay Dilla because 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:39.680 he kind of throws out the manual of of meat 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:43.960 and potatoes rhythm and it's causing a lot of cats 0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:48.200 like thunder Thundercat Chris Dave a lot of a lot 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:52.240 of post Jay Diller's disciples to just kill this Bart 0:58:52.440 --> 0:58:57.400 numbers the time, stretching drummers. It sounds almost sad, though, 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:00.240 I mean no, it's I mean it's like filling these 0:59:00.280 --> 0:59:03.040 monks sort of having sub notes. I mean it's creative. 0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.440 But the thing is is, I believe that you should 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:12.440 study the Old Testament, master it and then you expand 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:15.160 you learn the rules before you break them. Right now, 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.120 you've just got cats coming and breaking the rules. And 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:21.640 then Chris Dave, he still comes back to the one. Well, 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:23.320 Chris is the Jeanes, but he has a lot of 0:59:23.320 --> 0:59:26.920 disciples that are just like watching his YouTube videos and 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:30.960 then just going from that. But you know, and it's 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:34.600 the one is important. The one is it's meaning potatoes. 0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:45.640 There's something really cool about the sex machine, uh session 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:50.160 that I guess well, Boss Bill and I were alerted 0:59:50.200 --> 0:59:54.520 to it because we have the um, the pro tools, 0:59:54.560 --> 1:00:01.120 the master reel, and do we not occasionally teach that, 1:00:01.320 --> 1:00:04.120 m y un, But I don't have the se Well, 1:00:04.280 --> 1:00:06.040 you know, we share every I mean, come on now, 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:14.880 but my the point was that you guys did two 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:23.160 takes of it, and the the the kind of in 1:00:23.240 --> 1:00:25.680 between banner. I guess there's like a two or three 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.960 minute break between take one, which was the master take, 1:00:30.000 --> 1:00:31.920 and take two, which was like, let's just get a 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:37.760 second one for safety's sake. And every James Brown expert 1:00:38.040 --> 1:00:43.919 that's ever heard that their jaw dropped because their jaw 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:51.120 dropped simply because of the nurturing, kind of tender father 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:54.480 like way that he's communicating with you guys, Whereas with 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:59.520 anyone else if you were run the engineer or or 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.000 you know whatever, he's just like, no, man, that was wrong. 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:04.520 And even you know, giving up return of loose you 1:01:04.520 --> 1:01:06.880 you hear him like starting all over again, like in 1:01:07.240 --> 1:01:09.560 the song you know that sort of thing, but he 1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:11.560 actually stops this. No, no, no, you know, don't do 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.640 it again. You can make it work, you know. No, 1:01:14.720 --> 1:01:17.560 you're doing good, You're doing good. Just they they've never 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:22.640 heard James Brown actually be nice. Yeah, that's the thing. 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:26.280 So with Sex Machine, the first time that you guys 1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:32.240 were in the studio or like, was that your first 1:01:32.240 --> 1:01:35.440 professional you mean with James or well, I know that 1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:41.440 was your first. Was that your first with James? Actually? No? Um, 1:01:41.480 --> 1:01:47.400 what was before? Um? What was um? The first time 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:51.320 I played with James. Of course he didn't use it, 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:55.720 but his band took a break while they were recording, 1:01:56.120 --> 1:02:02.520 Um licking stick and yeah, most monks don't know nothing 1:02:02.560 --> 1:02:07.320 about this, you know, I mean with the story, and 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:11.400 so um, his band went on a break and James 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:17.320 get this horrific idea. And you know we outside, you know, 1:02:17.520 --> 1:02:20.000 me and my brother, you know, the band. We outside, 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:24.080 always outside, waiting on a chance to get in because 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:27.480 they didn't let nobody in. You know, it was like, um, 1:02:27.560 --> 1:02:30.080 we don't care who you are. You know, nobody's coming 1:02:30.120 --> 1:02:34.840 in but James and who he needs. And so his 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:41.560 band wait, you would just be outside outside the studio hanging. 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:48.880 I mean, every time James came to Cincinnati, we was there. 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:55.400 And so you know, he said, but I know, boots 1:02:55.440 --> 1:02:57.120 in them out dead, go out there and get boosted in. 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:02.600 The next thing, I know, they opened the door, Bird said, pussy, 1:03:02.640 --> 1:03:06.440 come on in it. And we were shocked. We was shot. 1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:10.400 It's like we were shocked. But at the same time, 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:14.320 we was all waiting for that, you know, because before that, 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:17.560 he ain't never call us in the studio, you know, 1:03:17.720 --> 1:03:20.880 so he called us in. I want you to play 1:03:20.920 --> 1:03:23.960 the play this part from it. Uh. It goes something 1:03:24.000 --> 1:03:33.560 like this. Uh uh I think uh, I said, you 1:03:33.600 --> 1:03:38.120 mean do do do do? Do Do? Do do do do do? Yeah? None, 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:44.640 that's it. That's what I'm doing. That's how songs were 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:46.640 getting made. He would just sing something. You have to 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:51.640 decipher what it was like you from here America. You 1:03:51.720 --> 1:03:55.480 go to Japan and they don't have no idea what 1:03:55.560 --> 1:03:59.560 the are you talking about? But if you play it 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:03.560 in mut music, they can say, okay, so James. The 1:04:03.640 --> 1:04:06.200 whole thing is when he's communicating with you, you don't 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:14.080 know what the hell he's talking about. God, he don't 1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:23.040 being down so African I got. So that's what you're 1:04:23.040 --> 1:04:29.200 going on? Oh you mean dude, dud DoD. Yeah, that's 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:35.040 what I'm talking about. That glad I thought of it 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:40.400 to wear work, and I was glad he thought of 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:46.200 it too. This being in his presence was that was 1:04:46.320 --> 1:04:48.920 enough for me? And they then the mugs him. You 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.200 mean you didn't get paid for that? Get paid? You know, 1:04:52.360 --> 1:04:55.240 we wasn't thinking about getting paid. You mean your name 1:04:55.320 --> 1:05:02.520 and name on what? You know? We was just so inspired, 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:06.600 lifted from being in this Catt present. What nobody thinking 1:05:06.840 --> 1:05:10.080 at that time? You know you gotta remember what time 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:15.440 that was. You know, that was like you know, writers 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:21.480 publishing all that stuff was unheard of for musicians. You know, 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:25.080 you'd be lucky to come in and they give you, 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:30.680 uh thirty dollars for a session, you know, and don't 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:34.760 even speak about you know, rotes a bass part or 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:38.120 you know, or Jabboon came up with a drum part 1:05:38.200 --> 1:05:42.720 and clydet no that belonged to Jane Brown. You know, 1:05:43.720 --> 1:05:48.720 couldn't nobody tell um Clyde to play that, uh play 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:53.320 play that, play that funking drumma likeness in let me 1:05:53.400 --> 1:05:55.680 show your high go And James used to do that, 1:05:56.080 --> 1:05:58.200 let me show your go and he get on that 1:05:58.400 --> 1:06:08.760 and play some four four nothing happening, ain't nothing happening. 1:06:08.840 --> 1:06:12.560 But see the thing is, I don't want to. I 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.800 don't want to make a sound like you know, he 1:06:16.080 --> 1:06:19.760 was that far gone. He wasn't gone at all. He 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:23.920 knew what he wanted. But you had to give it 1:06:24.000 --> 1:06:26.840 to him, you know, you had to. He knew it 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:30.280 when he heard it. You know. It's like you know, 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:34.280 if you if you didn't play it right, No no, no, son, 1:06:34.440 --> 1:06:37.080 yet you ain't got it. No, no, no, no, that 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:40.680 that ain't gonna work. Not not No, he'll give it 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:43.520 to you like that. But if you play it, if 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:47.360 you play what he wants to hear. Yeah, that's it's. Uh, 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:53.240 that's it. So I know that you guys were wept 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:57.480 behind the ears, um, just being thrown in this situation, 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:04.040 say the least. So what were the because Alan Weeds 1:07:04.120 --> 1:07:06.560 told me that there was a lot of rigorous hours 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:12.640 of rehearsing it. What were the rehearsals like? And why 1:07:12.800 --> 1:07:16.400 why did Clyde and Jabbo cross the picket line or 1:07:17.320 --> 1:07:21.480 oh you mean come back? Um, I don't you know what. 1:07:21.680 --> 1:07:25.400 I never I never even thought about that. Uh. And 1:07:25.800 --> 1:07:29.360 I didn't ever look at it like they crossed the 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:33.479 picket line. It was like, you know, well the band 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:38.360 left and then Clyde stayed. Yeah, but he came back. 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:42.760 Clyde came back. He didn't actually leave when the band left. 1:07:43.560 --> 1:07:46.760 He came back about maybe a couple of weeks after 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:51.520 we started getting things together. Jabbo is the one that 1:07:51.680 --> 1:07:57.640 didn't leave. He stayed, so you know, Um, but Jabbo 1:07:57.880 --> 1:08:01.840 was that kind of lofty guy that you know he 1:08:02.000 --> 1:08:03.960 was gonna he was like bird, kind of like bird, 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:07.720 Bobby Bird. He wasn't gonna leave James, you know. Um 1:08:08.000 --> 1:08:12.360 at that particular time, it was like, you know, Jabbo 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.600 was like, this is it, you know, and he was 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:21.280 the he was the foundation for us because he was 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:23.600 the only one with him and Bobby Bird was the 1:08:23.720 --> 1:08:28.719 only one that was there the first couple of weeks 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:32.519 that we could rely on. Did you know to kept 1:08:32.640 --> 1:08:38.800 us steady? That's another question, because your your style is 1:08:40.720 --> 1:08:44.040 you're you're James Brown style then was pretty much James 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:47.200 Jamison one on steroids. I mean, you're going all over 1:08:47.240 --> 1:08:48.920 and I know you're saying, like James just wanted that one. 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:54.840 You could do all that other stuff, but someone had 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:58.559 to be the bad guy to say you're playing too much, 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:02.000 Like you guys are virtual so musicians. But who's the 1:09:02.080 --> 1:09:04.840 person that has to reel it in said you're playing 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:10.640 too much? Just give me James would James would be 1:09:10.720 --> 1:09:12.559 the bad guy. You know, he didn't need no help 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:16.880 on that. You know. It was like but he was 1:09:17.000 --> 1:09:21.639 liked what we was doing, you know, he just liked it. Um. 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:25.400 I mean, we we heard all of the stories and 1:09:25.560 --> 1:09:28.680 we you know, we would see how he treated the 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:31.400 other guys, but with us, just like you were saying 1:09:31.439 --> 1:09:34.600 about that story about how he nurtured us. You know, 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:40.000 that's the kind of father figure he was. Us. Finding us, No, 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:44.280 finding us didn't work because we didn't have no money anyway. 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:48.519 So it's like, yeah, take my money, I mean, you know, 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:50.840 to take whatever you are. I'm here with you. I'm 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:52.880 here here with you. You know, you know you can 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.240 have my money. It don't even matter. So he did 1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:57.880 kind of slightly take advantage of y'all being younger with 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:00.720 the whole the pay cut thing I'm imagining, and you 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:03.120 know everybody else didn't come back. Well, I wouldn't even 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:05.960 say take advantage. Um, it was just a law. That 1:10:06.120 --> 1:10:08.200 was just what he did. You know, That's what he did. 1:10:09.000 --> 1:10:13.120 When he get to a certain point. It's like if um, 1:10:13.880 --> 1:10:16.400 and he could be just going through a thing where 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:20.080 he feels like he needs to change, you know what 1:10:20.160 --> 1:10:23.720 I'm saying, And um, if he needs to change, then 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:27.840 he'll start a ruckus, you know, as man funk y'all. 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:31.840 You know. So you know, Um, they had me going 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:36.240 in asking for raises when I didn't even feel like 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:42.479 a raise. I mean, you know, yeah, we just got here, 1:10:42.600 --> 1:10:45.719 we're having a great time. What is wrong with you people. 1:10:47.600 --> 1:10:51.479 But if the thing is is that, uh, it seems 1:10:51.520 --> 1:10:54.479 amazing enough, but you guys were only there for less 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:58.879 than you were there for eleven months. But that everything 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:03.880 that you guys did, it was some life changing funk, 1:11:04.040 --> 1:11:07.200 like next to sly Stone. I mean, you guys single 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:11.320 handedly like rewriting the book of of what soul music was. 1:11:12.360 --> 1:11:15.880 What was the last gig? Like before you guys were 1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:18.960 like like James, let you guys go, or was it 1:11:19.160 --> 1:11:23.479 you guys said we have to go? Or you know, 1:11:27.320 --> 1:11:29.920 it's funny, it's funny. The last gig was here in 1:11:30.000 --> 1:11:34.880 New York at the Copa Cabana. We was we was there, 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:38.040 supposed to be there for two weeks. Right, We just 1:11:38.280 --> 1:11:41.320 came back from Europe. We had did uh to three 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:43.840 weeks over in Europe. We had did a couple of 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:48.360 weeks over in Africa. We come back and the first gigs, 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:51.479 the first gig that we do is the Copa Cabana. 1:11:52.000 --> 1:11:54.320 So we played for a week. We're supposed to be 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:58.479 you're doing two weeks. We played the first week and UM, 1:11:59.200 --> 1:12:03.120 but the troubles started over in Africa before we got back. 1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:08.280 The trouble started with UM. While we went to the president. 1:12:09.000 --> 1:12:17.000 Uh what was his name? No, no, this one was 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:22.600 the president of Zambia. Yeah. Yeah, well we went. He 1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:25.240 invited us to his you know, it was kind of 1:12:25.280 --> 1:12:28.200 it was like the White House name. So, um, he 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:36.200 invited us there, and um what happened was there's been 1:12:36.280 --> 1:12:39.600 some rumbling going on about we need to raise you know, 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:43.439 and so I'm the Mikey. You know, I'm like Mikey. 1:12:43.520 --> 1:12:45.560 You know that commercial that let's get Mikey to do. 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:50.599 So I was always the Mikey character where they tell 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:54.040 me what they wanted because James was always kind of 1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:57.240 soft with me, you know, he you know, okay man, okay, 1:12:57.400 --> 1:13:00.479 yeah you okay, you can get away with it, okay, yeah, 1:13:00.680 --> 1:13:05.720 you know yeah yeah yeah, and and remind me to 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:12.720 well maybe I shouldn't tell that story, okay, but anyway, no, 1:13:12.920 --> 1:13:16.040 it's kind of personal with his you know. But um 1:13:17.200 --> 1:13:22.200 uh so we go to dinner and they say, um, Boosey, 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:24.160 you're gonna tell him. You know, you need to tell 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:27.040 him now. You need to tell him now because we're 1:13:27.240 --> 1:13:33.439 the president and we want to embarrass him, right, so 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:38.080 check it out. So check it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:13:38.200 --> 1:13:42.360 that's what I said. You know, you need to go 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:45.360 tell him now because we gotta play, you know, after 1:13:45.400 --> 1:13:47.519 we leave it dinner, we gotta go play. But you 1:13:47.600 --> 1:13:49.880 need to tell him now so he can agree to it, 1:13:50.479 --> 1:13:52.840 you know. So, and I ain't gonna tell the names 1:13:52.920 --> 1:13:56.479 that told me this to do this, but um, so 1:13:57.760 --> 1:14:00.760 I said, okay, I'll do it. So I went and 1:14:00.880 --> 1:14:06.360 told him. And you know, actually I didn't tell him. 1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:10.479 They wrote they wrote it down. They wrote it down, 1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:14.320 they gave it to me. Okay, take it to it. 1:14:14.520 --> 1:14:17.840 Take it to James. James down on this end of 1:14:17.920 --> 1:14:20.920 the table. And then you got the president on the 1:14:21.040 --> 1:14:23.240 other end of the table, you know, and everybody else 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:28.840 is sitting you know, around right, long long table. So 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:33.920 I gets up, I go down. I had a note 1:14:34.800 --> 1:14:38.720 to James. Okay, he said, what's his ends? So what 1:14:38.800 --> 1:14:42.560 do you know? Him? The band just want, you know, 1:14:42.760 --> 1:14:45.120 just to just read it, you know, let us know 1:14:45.240 --> 1:14:50.320 what's happening. You know, he knew I was full of it. 1:14:50.479 --> 1:14:54.280 He knew it, you know, so, um you know, once 1:14:54.320 --> 1:14:58.760 he read it, he jumped up from the table. Oh 1:14:58.960 --> 1:15:09.800 ship you mother, President. I knew it. I knew it. 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:13.639 I knew it. Y'all coming at y'all got busy doing 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:18.160 all this. I know it ain't him. Good, no, it 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:22.559 ain't him, and y'all ain't got but one more time 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:26.519 to try this is he's and that's gonna be it. 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:30.760 That's gonna be it. So you know, well, you know, 1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:33.280 the whole thing was, well, do we get a raised 1:15:37.400 --> 1:15:39.200 all right, I'm gonna give it to y'all this time. 1:15:39.800 --> 1:15:42.840 I'm gonna give it to you, but don't try it again. 1:15:43.720 --> 1:15:46.320 And so that's stuck. That's stuck in my head. You know, 1:15:46.320 --> 1:15:50.120 I don't try it again. So we get back from Africa. 1:15:51.200 --> 1:15:55.040 Everything's cool. It was a blast, man. I never, I 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:59.719 mean never could imagine what Africa was really like unless 1:15:59.760 --> 1:16:02.960 I had really been there. You know, I was thinking 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:10.400 tars and the animals and Jane Nia Lagos, Baby, did 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:15.800 you go? Did I go? Did I have to come home? 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:20.280 What was that like for you? To see him in 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:24.960 his prime? Then? Man? I mean, words can't even do that. Justice. 1:16:25.520 --> 1:16:29.000 Words can't do that justice, man, because okay, I got 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:36.439 a story, man, But yes, oh, come on, y'all as right, 1:16:36.560 --> 1:16:40.960 all right, So we are on the way to see failor. Right, 1:16:41.600 --> 1:16:44.240 all right? We off one night, so we're on the 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:46.439 way to see failor and then at this time, you 1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:51.160 gotta understand in Nigeria, the police was the army. It 1:16:51.320 --> 1:16:54.920 was an army. Serious. They didn't they didn't play. They 1:16:54.960 --> 1:16:58.720 didn't play, I mean with nobody. You know. It's like, um, 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:02.960 so we are car, you know, riding, you know, riding 1:17:03.000 --> 1:17:05.280 to the gig, and I'm like, you know, we're in 1:17:05.360 --> 1:17:09.200 the back seat. We're smoking, you know. And of course 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:13.760 I got the weed, right, I got the bomb. Yeah, 1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:20.280 and Nigeria, oh, I got I got friends everyone, I 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:23.360 got hilf friends and high places, having a little places 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:29.800 and even lord than that. So so I got the weed, 1:17:29.960 --> 1:17:31.680 you know. And what I ain't gonna call a non 1:17:31.720 --> 1:17:36.000 other name because you already know I'm guilty. So so, um, 1:17:36.560 --> 1:17:40.160 I'm passing around and and so all of a sudden, 1:17:41.120 --> 1:17:44.000 this car pulls up on each side, one pulls up 1:17:44.040 --> 1:17:47.680 on this side, one pulls up on that, and get 1:17:47.720 --> 1:17:51.599 out the car. And you know, we're looking at each 1:17:51.600 --> 1:17:54.240 other because we don't know what's going on. Only the 1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:57.960 driver knows what that means. I mean, you know, get 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:00.360 out the car. Well he didn't say get out the 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:08.160 car like in English whatever whatever the liners. Yeah, we 1:18:08.280 --> 1:18:13.000 didn't know what was that. So so you know. The 1:18:13.840 --> 1:18:17.439 driver looked at us and said, won't you step out, 1:18:17.880 --> 1:18:21.439 you know, step out. So and I'm looking at this 1:18:21.720 --> 1:18:26.120 person saying what do I do with the we you know, 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:29.080 and she said, put it in you put it in 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:32.679 the boot. Put it in the boot. I was like, oh, 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:37.479 then I snuck it, put it in my boot. And 1:18:38.000 --> 1:18:40.759 then the driver said, no, no, open the boot, open 1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:45.479 the boot. Check it out, open de boot, open de boot. 1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:49.080 I'm like, how did he see me put that in 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:56.479 my boot? Yeah, And so next thing I know, the 1:18:56.640 --> 1:19:01.080 driver got out, open the trunk, and I was like, 1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:08.240 and then this other person said, he meant the trunk. Man, 1:19:08.400 --> 1:19:11.320 my heart, you know, you know, my heart jumped out 1:19:11.400 --> 1:19:13.360 the one that was on the floor. I didn't know what, 1:19:13.600 --> 1:19:17.040 you know, because the stories of what these cats would 1:19:17.080 --> 1:19:21.560 do to you, you know, it's like, yeah, man. So 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:25.240 you know, when he said the boot and meant the trunk, 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:29.519 I was like, okay, cool. Then he checked the trunk nothing, 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:31.640 you know, because we had everything on us, you know. 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:35.479 And so after that he said, okay, y'all can go, 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:39.519 you know, and I right right there. I was through. 1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:45.320 You know. The only thing to save me was the 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:48.840 rhythm of the drum, you know, the closer. We got 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:52.519 the rhythm of the drums, rhythm of the drums, because 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:55.880 that's what drove drove me out of the state I 1:19:56.040 --> 1:20:03.240 was in afterwards in the boot. Oh man. So we 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:07.840 got down to Faylor's place. He had he had this big, 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:14.080 big room. Um, it's kind of like back in the 1:20:14.200 --> 1:20:19.200 gladiator days where there was no roof so you couldn't 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:21.360 tear the roof off. The roof was already too off. 1:20:22.240 --> 1:20:25.760 It wasn't no roof. And all you can hear when 1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:30.760 you're on the way there, it's the rhythms. It's the rhythms, 1:20:31.439 --> 1:20:35.640 you know. And actually that's where I you know, I 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:47.320 put in my memory bank that beat pop pop. If 1:20:47.320 --> 1:20:49.800 you listen to stretching out, which I know you have, 1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:58.760 that's where I got the emphasis of that. And I 1:20:58.840 --> 1:21:09.720 saw the females there. Did you know I feels of 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:14.000 music ahead of time or I had no idea. So 1:21:14.160 --> 1:21:15.920 tell us when you walked in the door, like, oh 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:19.599 my god, what you saw? Well, well, it was before 1:21:19.880 --> 1:21:22.479 I walked in the door. We was already freaked out. 1:21:23.080 --> 1:21:27.920 Like I was telling you. The rhythms, I mean, that 1:21:28.160 --> 1:21:30.439 was like you know, and the way they was treating us, 1:21:30.520 --> 1:21:34.559 was like we was God's and I'm like, y'all got 1:21:34.640 --> 1:21:38.559 this twisted. You know, I'm saying to myself, you muz 1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:42.840 got the goal, you know. And of course I told 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:45.000 him that, but they didn't. You know. They was like, no, 1:21:45.280 --> 1:21:48.719 it's y'all, you know, because they all they praised James Brown. 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:50.600 Was he with you? He was with you guys. He 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:53.000 wasn't want it now. This was now you gotta remember 1:21:53.680 --> 1:21:58.960 this was after you know we you know, so he 1:21:59.160 --> 1:22:04.000 was mad. You know, I'm mad, so he was. He 1:22:04.200 --> 1:22:07.400 wasn't going down that at first. He was going before that. 1:22:08.560 --> 1:22:11.080 But no, he saw us later, you know, and I 1:22:11.160 --> 1:22:13.400 can dig it because it wouldn't have been cool. You know, 1:22:13.479 --> 1:22:16.320 we couldn't have did We couldn't have been smoking, you know, 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:19.960 no fun at all, you know. So um, it worked 1:22:20.000 --> 1:22:23.479 out really good. Got to me faila. He was he 1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:27.720 did the ONRN thing, he sung and the people. I mean, 1:22:27.800 --> 1:22:31.720 it was just you know, it was something like I 1:22:31.920 --> 1:22:37.760 never never experienced. Since I said like that, yeah, yeah, 1:22:38.000 --> 1:22:42.240 because it was it was all natural, all raw, you know. 1:22:42.400 --> 1:22:44.840 And then he invited us back to the room and 1:22:44.960 --> 1:22:47.479 we had these little you know, the little joints you know, 1:22:48.160 --> 1:22:56.880 you know, you know them, I mean seriously, you know, 1:22:57.840 --> 1:23:05.240 and and expensive ship. I mean, it's like, what are y'all? 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:07.840 And it was like an insult to offer. You know, 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:11.880 you're a little bit of man. You know, it's like, okay, 1:23:11.920 --> 1:23:18.479 I'm putting this away because it was you know, it 1:23:18.640 --> 1:23:21.280 was massive, man, I mean it was massive. And we 1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:24.920 stayed pretty much all night in that room. After they 1:23:25.080 --> 1:23:30.280 came off stage, it was did they come to see you? 1:23:30.439 --> 1:23:32.880 What was it like for them to see the James 1:23:32.920 --> 1:23:35.320 Brown Show? Because it was just it was the same 1:23:35.439 --> 1:23:38.040 kind of you know, the same kind of experience for them, 1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:41.519 you know, because I knew that feel like Cootie worshiped 1:23:41.600 --> 1:23:44.479 James Brown, and yeah, it was the same. It was 1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:47.599 that same kind of vibe we had when we saw them. 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:53.439 That's why I couldn't understand personally myself why they was 1:23:53.560 --> 1:23:56.479 so why I understood it, But at the same time, 1:23:56.560 --> 1:24:00.599 it was like we had nothing compared to what y'all 1:24:00.680 --> 1:24:05.400 are doing, you know, and they couldn't Yeah, they couldn't 1:24:05.400 --> 1:24:08.720 find them. Because I think that just the myth of 1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:12.800 America and what it's supposed to represent is larger. The 1:24:12.920 --> 1:24:17.080 idea of America is larger than Yeah, it's it's by product. 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:20.960 So you guys flew home to the Copa after that, ye, 1:24:21.479 --> 1:24:25.880 right after that, and what happened. We did about two 1:24:26.000 --> 1:24:29.880 or three gigs because we had six it was six 1:24:30.640 --> 1:24:34.640 was it six or seven? It was seven nights, I 1:24:34.680 --> 1:24:41.639 mean seven, yes, seven shows and two on Sunday because 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:47.160 we had to do to Madendee. Okay. So um, James 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:53.040 was gonna cut the salary, okay. Uh And we were 1:24:53.120 --> 1:24:59.760 playing seven days and twice on Sunday and he just 1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:04.200 asked to cut the salary. And the same people came 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:08.120 to me like, we can't let him do this. You know, 1:25:08.760 --> 1:25:14.920 you gotta go in there, Mikey, and you gotta get 1:25:14.960 --> 1:25:18.960 it straight man, you know. And I'm like, what the 1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:23.320 problem is? You know? Yeah, I'm I mean, I'm you know, 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:26.120 I got all these girls, and you know, I got 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:30.080 my weed and I got my ls. Then I'm cool. Yeah, 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:33.360 you know, I ain't got no responsibilities. You know. The 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:37.360 only responsibility I have is playing, you know, because I 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:42.360 love to play, you know, And so you know, these 1:25:42.439 --> 1:25:46.559 mugs with responsibilities, you know. Um, that's what they were 1:25:46.680 --> 1:25:50.479 really concerned about, you know. And I understood it after 1:25:50.560 --> 1:25:53.519 I got away. But while I was there, it was like, 1:25:53.720 --> 1:25:58.599 what the problem is? You know, and so um they 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:01.559 talked me into it again, you know, go in saying 1:26:01.680 --> 1:26:06.439 tell him either he pays full sary um or else 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:09.600 we walk. And so I didn't feel good about it. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:13.360 All the other times I felt like, you know, you 1:26:13.400 --> 1:26:16.000 can go in and do it, you know, but this 1:26:16.160 --> 1:26:18.439 particular time I didn't feel good about it. You know. 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:21.599 I was like to myself, I was saying, Okay, now, 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:24.800 if I do this, you know, and if it don't work, 1:26:25.600 --> 1:26:28.479 you know, we're walking, you know, the whole you know, 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:31.040 the band that came with me, we're walking. You know. 1:26:31.560 --> 1:26:34.240 It's like, oh he he give you everything by you 1:26:34.400 --> 1:26:36.880 coach your babe, He buy you all that. You know. 1:26:37.080 --> 1:26:43.960 I'm like, okay, So I go in there and dropping 1:26:44.040 --> 1:26:49.840 on him. You know, he says, Son, I knew you're 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:53.160 gonna do it. I knew you're gonna do it. They've 1:26:53.200 --> 1:26:56.320 been using you. They just using you. Man, did you 1:26:56.400 --> 1:27:00.240 see that? And I'm like this this is the what 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:03.680 they you know, this is what they're saying. Well, Son, 1:27:03.800 --> 1:27:07.320 you know what, I ain't gonna let you get away 1:27:07.400 --> 1:27:10.519 with it this time. You go back then and tell him, 1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:15.160 they all five, I ain't. I ain't going for it. 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:18.200 You know, he said, I know what they're doing to you, 1:27:18.720 --> 1:27:22.160 and you you know you you should know. So if 1:27:22.240 --> 1:27:26.680 y'all gotta walk walk, that was it. I went back 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:30.639 and told him, and they was like uh. They started 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:32.880 looking up in the air and stuff, and you know, 1:27:33.080 --> 1:27:35.760 I'm like, I can't go back on my word. If 1:27:35.800 --> 1:27:38.160 I told him man, I got to go. If he 1:27:38.240 --> 1:27:45.840 can't do nothing, then I got yeah. So and then 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:51.439 and then in my mind it's like, okay, what are 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:55.760 we gonna do now, you know, because I knew that 1:27:55.960 --> 1:28:01.200 was it. You know, it's like, we gotta go. So 1:28:01.320 --> 1:28:04.120 we're sitting on the bus, we all the the whole 1:28:04.240 --> 1:28:07.880 band sitting on the bus, you know, looking at each 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:15.559 other on trailway. I know, we're here trailway bus man, 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:18.280 and you know, we're looking at each other. And then 1:28:18.320 --> 1:28:21.040 they're looking at me like, okay, well we're gonna do 1:28:21.200 --> 1:28:27.760 now since you went in there and you know you 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.760 and and so you know, that was whin me out. 1:28:32.800 --> 1:28:35.160 I started feeling like, dag, what are we gonna do? 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:38.640 So the next thing came to my mind is you're 1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:41.280 gonna go to Cincinnati you're gonna practice, you're gonna get 1:28:41.280 --> 1:28:43.679 in that basement, you're gonna practice, you're gonna get tight, 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:46.720 and you're gonna go to Detroit, you know, and see 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:49.120 what happens, because you know that's what we were into, 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:53.639 taking people's gigs. Check this out, y'all. We gotta continue 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:56.479 next week with more Bodzilla. Sorry, you hate to see 1:28:56.520 --> 1:28:59.280 it done, but you gotta do it. 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