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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to thirty one,

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Speaker 1: episode three of Daice Day production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive

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Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it is, of course Wednesday. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it is tal Day. I have mine on my lap.

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Speaker 1: I actually didn't know it was Tall Day, but I

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Speaker 1: just keep it on my lap when I'm eating peanut

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Speaker 1: butter toast because wait, where's mine? You can get messy?

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Speaker 1: Hold on? Hold on? Hold on? Is that a real day?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? For? Really? There? There's a absurd

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Speaker 1: day for for everything. Oh yeah, I mean if we

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Speaker 1: lobbied hard enough, I mean we could get the type

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry pipe Bay that my name is Jack O'Brien

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Speaker 1: a k. Because the pod brings you Jack. That is

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Speaker 1: Eric Keller, who actually that's not craty have I just

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Speaker 1: did that because I wanted to get a Blues Traveler

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Speaker 1: one and because Eric Keller let me know. After listening

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Speaker 1: to today's pot I had to wonder if you fellas

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Speaker 1: new Blues Traveler and Bruce Willis had a collaboration on

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Speaker 1: one of their albums, Oh shit, which I think it's

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Speaker 1: called like Free Willis or free I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: did not know you. You were right to wonder, I

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Speaker 1: we did not know that. Hell, but that makes sense

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Speaker 1: because Bruce Willis I think I just had an instant,

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Speaker 1: instant pang of jealousy when he heard Bluesish song go

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Speaker 1: mainstream number one. I think he wasn't having that ship.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I gotta go. They need some Bruno. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co

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Speaker 1: host Mr Miles Gray a k A June teen, juneteen,

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Speaker 1: Dunete June teen, Walmart really knows. Now, it's the freedom

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Speaker 1: for me. What the fuck were those dumb ass items

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Speaker 1: that amrparaded out this week? It's the freedom for me? Okay,

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Speaker 1: very interesting. I was again the moments where can be

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Speaker 1: like can I be in the brainstorming session of some

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Speaker 1: of these companies really that somebody needs to make a

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Speaker 1: documentary about just they just keep trying. Whoever's out there

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Speaker 1: trying to make a documentary, like you know, we got

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Speaker 1: that leak of the Pepsi logo design, but there's so

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Speaker 1: many bad marketing decisions that happened, or like the brainstorm

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Speaker 1: behind the imagined video. Could you imagine if somebody had

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Speaker 1: captured that. I like to see the crash and burn

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Speaker 1: of these marketings do best. But I want to see

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Speaker 1: I want to see there. Here's the thing I think

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Speaker 1: most especially people of color, have been in this situation.

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Speaker 1: If they've ever worked anywhere that's predominantly white. There'll be

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Speaker 1: a bad idea in the room and you're the only

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Speaker 1: one looking around be like oh no, and then they go, Miles,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that? And you're fucked because

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Speaker 1: you just started there, and you're like, I mean, are

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Speaker 1: there any other ideas? It's but it's not right. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 1: I just look, I'm twenty five and I just started

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Speaker 1: working on enough. The best person asked great Printed. It's

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Speaker 1: always just like you need one person's co sign for

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Speaker 1: any terrible mistake. And I think it's just yeah, attack

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Speaker 1: because I do say great print it after every time

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Speaker 1: we we just make a decision on our creative team. So, like,

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Speaker 1: you mean, just stopped this recording of Print Printed? Do

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Speaker 1: finger guns? Anyways, Miles, We're thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: our third seat by hilarious comedian, director and writer who

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Speaker 1: you know from the hilarious NBC Sitcome Grand Crew, The

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Speaker 1: Last o g ghosted people of Earth whom karate. It's

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Speaker 1: been way too damn long way. What is Charlotte. I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I'm British now, b K for like twenty years. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm here. I'm excited. I haven't seen you guys so long.

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Speaker 1: British Columbia, British Columbia, Vancouver, Nuts. Yeah, my favorite town,

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Speaker 1: my favorite town. Yeah, is that getting is strong up there?

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Speaker 1: We owe you alive show in Vancouver, so you guys

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Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah, I can't, Like I said, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't keep telling people how much I love. There's

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Speaker 1: a good comedy scene here. There's a pretty good, like

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Speaker 1: a little indie comedy scene out here. I like it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've had a few uh BC comedians on before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I still don't know anybody. It's like I've still been

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Speaker 1: here through the pandemic. Like I think I know two people.

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Speaker 1: You haven't excavated the indie comedy scene of your local

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Speaker 1: community that you just moved to during the pandemic. Come on, Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: I've been very slow and law days ago about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like a lot of work, yeah

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Speaker 1: to me, But I'm an introvert. Are you missing anything

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Speaker 1: from California. While you've been everything sunshine, um number one.

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Speaker 1: we've had all years so far. Okay, it's just gray

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Speaker 1: It's like that, but for for six months. So but

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Speaker 1: the summer here, I actually think, you know, i'll say

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Speaker 1: was just like this, what are we talking about? Absolutely

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Speaker 1: if you want beautiful hiking, beautiful mountains, like beaches, lakes, like,

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Speaker 1: there's an island. We just went to the island over

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Speaker 1: the weekend for Victoria Day. There's different holidays. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: want to Victoria Island. It was absolutely stunning. I went

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Speaker 1: to Bowen Island for a yoga retreat. I've just been

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Speaker 1: living my best like white woman life, like yoga life,

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Speaker 1: like island life, like I'm living my best life. All

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Speaker 1: not it's not diverse, that is the way. That's also

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Speaker 1: our American listeners are like, damn, she did it right.

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Speaker 1: But hearing that you moved to Vancouver during the pandemic

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Speaker 1: that the last time you were on, like Miles was

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Speaker 1: would have been very jealous. Now I'm like, so like

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Speaker 1: what do you need to get citizenship up there? And

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Speaker 1: like what is what's that? But congratulations and we're going

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Speaker 1: to get to know you a little bit better in

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Speaker 1: a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We are going to try and wait into the Johnny

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Speaker 1: Depp first Amber Heard trial, more more so the media

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Speaker 1: barrage and just like the significance of how much attention,

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Speaker 1: how much of the national share consciousness it is taking up.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about a bill that seems like it

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Speaker 1: might I think I think there's a type of Miles

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Speaker 1: it says it might make things better? What happened a bill? Really? Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll talk about it. We'll talk it might work,

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Speaker 1: it might work, all of that plenty more. But first, Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests. What is something

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Speaker 1: from your search history? Oh man, this is embarrassing. But

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Speaker 1: right now I'm watching own oprah winfree networks put ring

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Speaker 1: on it? But there it's not in Canada, so I

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Speaker 1: have to like I did a like a long Google

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Speaker 1: and I eventually found it, So thanks Internet. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: deep textual analyzes like how to watch put the actually

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Speaker 1: situate yourself only? I actually found a bunch of YouTube

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Speaker 1: channels that recap the show and talk about the relationships.

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Speaker 1: So it's like a therapist that sits down with three relationships,

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Speaker 1: three couples who are on the brink and whether they're

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Speaker 1: like the whole show just watches them open up their

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Speaker 1: relationship and date other people. So it's amazing and it's

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Speaker 1: actually a really good show, like people are actually having

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Speaker 1: real breakthroughs. But I'm kind of a reality junkie, so

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Speaker 1: this is this is me in a nutshell. I'll do

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Speaker 1: anything to watch, so this is like so basically, the

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Speaker 1: Ultimatum ripped this show up. It did. That's exactly what happened. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because this show is in its like third season or something,

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Speaker 1: so this is the living single to Friends. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: what it is. Like. I think we've seen this before.

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Speaker 1: I haven't watched the Ultimatum, but I'll be able to

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Speaker 1: tell you next time I'm on it. I mean, I've

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Speaker 1: seen it twice now. But the way you're describing it

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Speaker 1: sounds exactly the same premise. They're couples who are on

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Speaker 1: the brink of having to either get married or explore

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Speaker 1: whether or not this person is right for them. They

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Speaker 1: facilitate that by having them go on dates and destabilizing

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Speaker 1: things just to figure out at the end if they're

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Speaker 1: right for each other. But the way the Ultimatum does

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Speaker 1: because I'm a reality junkie. I've definitely watched The Ultimatum

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Speaker 1: and it was just so boring. I forgot right. This

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Speaker 1: seems similar to the Country music network Shit or Get

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Speaker 1: you not just using a VPN though, Like my VPN

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Speaker 1: that an actual line? I think so, yeah. They because

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Speaker 1: definitely listen to it very recently. How often are you

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. He said, Well, you guys

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting with a real classic handle. I'm discovering new things. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Kendrick wasn't the only one in the lab the only words.

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Speaker 1: So was Lynt Manuel on this one. I like to

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Speaker 1: I liked his character work on the hard part five,

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Speaker 1: but like, could he have possibly inhabited the role of

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Speaker 1: a founding father? Would have killed him? You know? Am

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Speaker 1: I right over here? Folks? That sounds like this, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's like killing it. It's very popular ratings wise,

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Speaker 1: think work is overrated? Real talk. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: of North America? In Canada? Has the Johnny Depp's Amber

425
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: Heard trial dominated? Yeah? So this I I've wanted to

426
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: talk about this because our show is met Is, you know,

427
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: want one of our goals is to map the zeitgeist.

428
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: And this has been absolutely everywhere. And there's a journalist

429
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: named Natalie Scher and she had has kind of been

430
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: following the case throughout and like tweeting about it, and

431
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 1: then she just dropped an article on The New Republic.

432
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: I really like her. I trust her judgment and her

433
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: thing from the start has been like, you know, Amber

434
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: Heard's stories like are are pretty like full of holes

435
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: and there's like a lot of kind of contradictory evidence.

436
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: So she's like, I would not that. So the main

437
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: point of the article is like that there's a lot

438
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: of think pieces being like this is you know, if

439
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: you're on the left, you are team heard. If you're

440
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: on the right, like your team Johnny Depp, And her

441
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: kind of point is actually they're both wrong. The case

442
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: like neither illustrates society's eagerness to denigrate and victimized, denigrade,

443
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: victim victimized women or the opposite. The you know, it

444
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: doesn't show that there is like a pervasive mis and

445
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: drist which out there. But I don't know. So, like

446
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: the thing that I feel like her account leaves out

447
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: is just she she kind of treats it as like

448
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: a tawdry celebrity story that's like a curious passing curiosity.

449
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: But like I've not seen a story takeover as much

450
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,479
Speaker 1: as this one has, Like maybe I don't. I don't know.

451
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: It's a it's like the new fucking OJE trial, Like

452
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: people are just breathlessly like reporting everything that happens in

453
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: the courtroom, and I just I think that like that

454
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: is the story here actually is like how I don't

455
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: know if it is the result of a sort of

456
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: nascently misogynistic culture just like waiting for the right case

457
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: where they can make their point that like whoa, you

458
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: can't believe all women because look she's lying, or if

459
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: it's if that's being pushed by like industry, you know,

460
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: people who have stuff writing on Johnny Depp's like continued career.

461
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: But it one way or another, it does feel like

462
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: it's a bigger deal than just like a tawdry news

463
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: story that's like passing. Like it feels like gamer Gate

464
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: to me, and like gamer Gate is not you know,

465
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: the point of gamer Gate was not like well, you

466
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: know there's corruption in game development and like to go

467
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: in and like analyze that. It's you know, I think

468
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: her main point that she's making is like, don't stake

469
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: the me too movement, like the integrity of the me

470
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: too movement on like the I believe Amber Heard movement.

471
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: But I think that's fine. But like overall her characters

472
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: characterization of the case and its popularity, I think it

473
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: is a little dismissive and like, oh, I mean it

474
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: doesn't take into account what the what the chilling effect

475
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: is for people who are of the victims, right, you know, like,

476
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: because what we're doing is on TikTok, we're showing even

477
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: younger people. It's not just adults who are engaging with

478
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: this content. It's younger people too, who are looking at

479
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: a thing where if you just look at it at

480
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: the situation on social media, you think if you speak

481
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: to support Amber heard or question Johnny Depp, then you're

482
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: just gonna get flamed by a ton of people. And

483
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: then gives this idea is like is that the right side?

484
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: If you're not thinking about it critically? On another you

485
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: just get an example of like, well, these people are

486
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: also clearly like if you look at the case that

487
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Johnny Depp had against the Sun in the UK, like

488
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: the court found twelve of the fourteen allegations like to

489
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: rise to a civil standard like that there wasn't that,

490
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't hearsay and there's a complete like a lot

491
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: of people are treating this case like as if Johnny

492
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Depp is gonna go to jail if he loses this trial,

493
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: when other observers have pointed out it this was a

494
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: weird move for him and almost seems like he knew

495
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: what would happen by by taking like by taking on

496
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: this case or pursuing this case, which is, you know what,

497
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: if I go out here, you're going to have to

498
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: cop to a lot of ship that you did. And

499
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're gonna think you

500
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: look way worse than even I do, even with all

501
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: the stuff they're gonna hear about me because this plenty

502
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of awful ship has come out about Johnny

503
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: Depp in the course of this trial, but it's just

504
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: been kind of like, we'll keep the focus there. And

505
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: this feels like a like a very odd like tactic

506
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: to just sort of kind of like deepen the pain

507
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: of like of just a toxic relationship and like, now

508
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: watch me take you to court and make this completely

509
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: miserable for everybody. Damn, you sound moles. You sound like

510
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: a lawyer talking about this case here saying to the

511
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: civil standards. Look, you know why though, because if I

512
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: look at it like anybody else, I was confused as

513
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: buck as to what the funk was going on. Part

514
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: of me said, Damn, these people got so much energy

515
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: for Johnny Depps something maybe something's going on, And I

516
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it, it might not be worth it

517
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: for me to to really examine what's going on here.

518
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: But I think that's most people's response because one side

519
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: is so vocal that it's just kind of like, oh, ship,

520
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't

521
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: know what to say. But this is really significant. I

522
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: mean you look at the amount of people who have

523
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: been making money on YouTube views off of this, Like

524
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: there's a whole industry now, like a cottage industry about

525
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: amplifying like pro depth anti herd messaging on social media too.

526
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: Like there's a on Vice they did an interview with

527
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: like some kid who had a pro dep YouTube channel.

528
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: He had three hundred forty nine subscribers, like before the trial.

529
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: This kid has twelve thousand now and he's fifteen, just

530
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: putting together super cuts of like own edge montages of

531
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: amber heard and he's like he's like, yeah, I have

532
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: time because I'm home schooled. And you just kind of

533
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: see like there's there's an appeal or there's an in

534
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: road for someone to benefit, even if they realize like

535
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: what they're perpetuating or not. But it's also just you

536
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: see how how much opportunity this is presented whether it's

537
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: to like channels that are going to do around the

538
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: clock coverage or click bait for websites. It's clear that

539
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: like this, the audience interaction with it two is also

540
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: like feeding the media and like this really bizarre feedback

541
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: loop as well. And I'm like, and it had me

542
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: again feeling like what's going wing on? Like and am

543
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: I is does this saturation means something? I haven't been

544
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: paying that much attention to it because of exactly what

545
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: Miles said that it just feels like a toxic relationship

546
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: on the stand and for public opinion too, I guess

547
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: contribute to this toxic relationship, but I I feel like

548
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: there's nothing. I feel like it being attached to me

549
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: too is unfortunate because I feel like it has nothing

550
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 1: to do with me too, and I feel like it's

551
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: it's unfair for every single celebrity tat you know, situation

552
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to be raised to the level of I guess justifying

553
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: me too or not. So, I mean, I think it's fun.

554
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunates also because I think I think celebrities,

555
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, there seems to be like

556
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: some mental illness stuff going on with this too. Just

557
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: like the level of violence and the level of toxicity

558
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: between the two of them, the drug use, all the

559
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: stuff that's going on, and it's all just for public

560
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: consumption and we're just watching it and taking sides. But

561
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: it's like, these are two human beings who clearly are

562
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: not all together, and their their ships out for everybody

563
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: to judge, and it's and it's allowed for a lot

564
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: of like in general because of you know, there's like

565
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: there's like Amber heard isn't the perfect victim, therefore she

566
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: is not a victim. Therefore she in fact is the

567
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: actual abuser. Kind of like like sort of logic is

568
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: what you're seeing playing and we see this ship all

569
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: the time. The there there's seldom a perfect abuser. If

570
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: you're in a relationship or any kind of you're you're

571
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: fighting against something. At a certain point, you pushed back

572
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: because that's your human nature of being in a situation

573
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: like this, And you see this all the time, even

574
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: with like police violence. Right, the police killed somebody and

575
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: then they're like, well, you know they were smoking weed. Yeah,

576
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: it's like they had a gun. Well it was a

577
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: the cops just busted in the door with guns, like

578
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: waving guns what what are you talking about? And so

579
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: it's like this this reflex of like just also being like, well,

580
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a perfect victim and nothing

581
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: really to see here. Let's just kind of keep this moving.

582
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe Johnny Depp has had to go through

583
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: such a horrible ordeal. Yeah, but that doesn't feel like

584
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: this is the most the most sort of popular and

585
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: like just media saturating case that has happened in the

586
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: me too era. I feel like is like it's this

587
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: other type of lie that is very common and effective

588
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: in American culture, which is the sampling error where they

589
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: find like the one instance where either their point is

590
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: true or it's easy for them to make the case

591
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: that the you know, victim is lying, and they make it,

592
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, they use that to blow it up and

593
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: put it everywhere and make it seem like this is

594
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: this is this is what what things are actually like.

595
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's this is extremely unusual that there

596
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: are a lot of unique factors happening in this case,

597
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: Like you were talking about Charlotte, and you know that

598
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: this is the same thing that happens with the local

599
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: news where they it's it's not that they're making up

600
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: crimes to show on the local news. They are just

601
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: knowing a disproportionate number of crimes committed by black men

602
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: or people of color or you know, whoever they want

603
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: to make people think is committing the most crimes. And

604
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: like that it's called confirmation bias, Isn't it? Is that

605
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: what it's called. They're sampling error. But then yeah, I

606
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: mean that it's a confirmation biases like that that helps

607
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: them believe what they already wanted to believe, right, And

608
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing too, is like there was

609
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: I was reading like a thread from like a mental

610
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: health counselor who deals a lot with abuse survivors and

611
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: talking about how sometimes in the narrative of of someone's head,

612
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: if things don't match up perfectly with yours, sometimes that

613
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: can be a threat to the validity of your claim

614
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: that you had been through an ordeal, and that you know,

615
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: was to start talking about the phenomenon of how some

616
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: of that doubt or whatever it is just you know,

617
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 1: like this sort of internalized misogyny too, of like being

618
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: like oh God, well like and we're seeing a lot

619
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: of these women be elevated as like the biggest depth

620
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: defenders to who are being like, let me tell you,

621
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: I've been through something what Amber her is going through bullshit.

622
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: So it's also causing this really fucked up split with

623
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: people who have gone through a similar situation. And also

624
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 1: just like the empathy is not flowing properly at all,

625
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: and we're just getting into this really fucked up you know,

626
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: like you're saying, like, we're just watching this toxic mess

627
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: play out, and we have like kids taking sides making

628
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: TikTok videos where it's like you're twelve years old and

629
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: you're like pretending to be Amber heard in a video.

630
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: Like what it's doing a popular culture, I think is

631
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: another thing too that we're not really kind of grappling.

632
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: It was like almost like when Lorena Bobbit, that Lorena

633
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: Bobbit case came out when I was a kid, I

634
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, she chopped this dude penis off, and

635
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, he was abusing her physically

636
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: and sexually for years. Is it Is it the case

637
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: that's affecting popular culsture? Is it popular culture affecting the case,

638
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: Because it's like if this case wasn't it was in

639
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: a place like I don't know, I don't know Finland,

640
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: where do they have like equal where there's like equality

641
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: between the sexes, if if it was a place that

642
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: was more objective, if it was a place like there's

643
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: already conspiracy theories coming out about all kinds of things.

644
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: Every new thing that comes out, there's a new conspiracy theory.

645
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: So it just kind of feels just like it's us

646
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: that is reflecting this case, Like like it's us. If

647
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: it if it was dropped in another culture that wasn't

648
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: so toxic towards women, that wasn't so toxic in general,

649
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: would it be different. I think it would be really different.

650
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: But because it's us, because because we already have biased

651
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: because we already don't believe and we don't want, you know,

652
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: or not enough of us wanted. This is what we're

653
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: seeing and we're not able to actually objectively look at

654
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: this is Hey, these are two people who are in

655
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: a really toxic relationship that probably need to handle this

656
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: in a different way and handle themselves in a different way.

657
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: But we're watching it like a circus and it's actually

658
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: like really sad. I think I think it's really sad.

659
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the like Brett Kavanaugh thing

660
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: where the people who didn't want to believe the accuser

661
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: in that case, but the accuser was just telling the truth,

662
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: and it was like pretty obvious, like that, this is

663
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: like the those people coming back and being like and

664
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: not only that, that accuser was extremely valid, like she

665
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: she was, she was an ideal accuser. She was white,

666
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: she was educated, she was she was she wasn't poor,

667
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, like she she had all of the things

668
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: that we would imagine we would want from an accuser,

669
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: and it still wasn't enough. So it tells me that,

670
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: like we're in a culture that doesn't want to take

671
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: we don't want to change the status quot we don't

672
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: want to take away the power of these men to

673
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: be able to do what they do. And we we

674
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: listened to them when they talk about like that that

675
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: was the danger. We were talking whenever a new accuser

676
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: was accute and it was like it was a joke.

677
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: She misread my my advance. She you know, she's confused,

678
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: she's the stupid one. Actually, she's this is a witch hunt.

679
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: She's trying to bring me down. And it's just like, Okay,

680
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: we can play those games and act like these men

681
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: aren't actually predators, but we didn't want to do that.

682
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: So now I feel like every time a new case

683
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: comes out, it's just like what Jack was saying, it's

684
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: like a new sample bias or something like that, Like

685
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: we just choose what we want to believe when we

686
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: see these new stories come out. I mean, the last

687
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: time they used to break up between a video game

688
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: reviewer and a game designer for like a culture wide

689
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: eruption of like violent misogyny in the like game fan industry.

690
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: But like this, I don't know, this just also feels seismic.

691
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: I feel like any any attempt to just be like

692
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: it's a small taudry like celebrity gossip story is like no,

693
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: this feels this feels like it's giving a big, like

694
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: ugly part of the culture something that they wanted to Yeah,

695
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's another roor shacks. Test were collectively failing

696
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: just to be like that's what you see, boy, Okay,

697
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: we got fucking we got a lot of work to do.

698
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: And the other part about this too is there'sn't a

699
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: lot of talk about like what exactly, like the the

700
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: legal strategy of Johnny Depp to like him and Amber

701
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: heard they lived in California together, but anti slap laws

702
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: are very strong in California, you know what I mean,

703
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: Like they're like there's a lot of laws to protect

704
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: people from like defamation suits if they're like, you know,

705
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: speaking out against like well known people. California is very

706
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: it's very it's a lot harder to bring those kinds

707
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: of cases there. And Fairfax County in Virginia completely different story,

708
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: completely different story. The laws are are not as as

709
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: strict when it comes to these like sort of anti

710
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: slap laws. And his lawyer, first we're saying, like, first

711
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: we're saying, like, well, you know, she says something to

712
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: the Washington Post and that their servers are actually in Fairfax, Virginia,

713
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: and that's why we're doing it here. But then like

714
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: later on was just also kind of acknowledging, like his

715
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: lawyer acknowledged quote acknowledging a pretwel pre trial hearing that

716
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: one of the reasons they brought the case in a

717
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: Fairfax County courthouse is because Virginia's anti slap slap law

718
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: is not as broad as the one in California. So

719
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: there's like there's so many layers to like the intent

720
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: to of like what Johnny Depp's aims are too, and

721
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: also just again like there is this very there's just

722
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: like this side of it. I can't understand, like logically right,

723
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: because you could have you could have just taken you

724
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: could have just stopped talking. I've gone on with your career.

725
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: But this trial is bringing like again, it's bringing more

726
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: things on the record about Johnny Depp that I'm sure

727
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: he wouldn't want out there. But in this instance, it's

728
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: almost like, well, you know what, I'm she she has

729
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: to humiliate herself now too, and guess what, I have

730
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: more supporters and it's gonna look a lot worse for

731
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: her than it is for me. And it's the same

732
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: and that's why Marilyn Manson is doing the exact same thing. Yeah. Yeah,

733
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: it's like it's now it's like a play, like we're

734
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: seeing like a new play or I mean, this has

735
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: existed for a while, but like it's becoming normalized and

736
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: now we're not even like looking at all the factors

737
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 1: of it and we're just being like, oh, she pooped

738
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: in the bed. And even then, if you really read

739
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: the like the documents about it, most likely the dog

740
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: and Johnny Depp wasn't even living there at the time,

741
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: so was she gonna ship in her own bed? Right?

742
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: Like that's anyway, So they're they're like, I do think

743
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: that it is consequential, and I think for a lot

744
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: of the reasons too, is like the amount of a

745
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: like the amount of gravitational pullet has on social media,

746
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: like on places like YouTube and TikTok, Like, that's a

747
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: lot of that's a lot of misinformation, weird takes going

748
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: into the minds of younger people who are this may

749
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 1: be the first time there may be dealing with a

750
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: case dealing, you know, with intimate partner violence. Right, all right,

751
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

752
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: talk about a bill that might actually work. And we're back.

753
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: And the last time we felt good about a bill,

754
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: it was ending daylight savings time, I think. But it

755
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: was like the wrong one. And also they chose the

756
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: wrong one. Bunch of people are gonna get hit by cars,

757
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: I think is because of the one they chose. But yeah,

758
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: so what this is the schedules that work act. Yeah,

759
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: it's simple name. I'm like, okay, schedules that Okay, what's

760
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: going on? So of American workers are at hourly gigs

761
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: right like, and I think most of us know what

762
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: it's like to work hourly and how uncommon it is

763
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: to have your shifts be like consistent and predictable so

764
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: you can, you know, like plan your life, whether it's

765
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: like classes or childcare or you know, helping out with

766
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: your family, things like that, having a consistent thing like

767
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: not only work Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, like I know,

768
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: nailed on those are that's my week. So most people

769
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: do not have that luxury, and we're constantly you know,

770
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: having to do weird ship like be on call or

771
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: have like these weird moments like why the funk am

772
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: I on call? I work at a laser tag place

773
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about, like so I can break down the

774
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: soda like syrup boxes when they go empty funk that.

775
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: So Elizabeth Warren and Rosa de Laua from the House

776
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: are introducing this bill because they know, like you know,

777
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: legislation like this should be easy, like a no fucking

778
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: brainer for anybody to support, and who wouldn't want to

779
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: have some basic rules when it comes to you know,

780
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: your managers making your schedule again. Essentially, they're calling for

781
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: new laws that would make it you know, okay, For

782
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: first of all, if you need to shift to like

783
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: a schedule chance change that you don't have to fear

784
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: retaliation that you're somehow going to be painted like we're

785
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: talking earlier, like our shitty shift manager reflexes or it's

786
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: like you need to change your schedule, how do we

787
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: know we can count on you? Then like that kind

788
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: of ship that like trying to do away with that

789
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: kind of sucked up talk or just like that that

790
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: sort of environment also to like just shitty things like

791
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: being on call, like when you're like I have to

792
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: be able to not do anything, like I can't have

793
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: panic about being called into work like while I'm taking

794
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: care of something, or or getting your hours cut in

795
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: the middle of a workshift because things are slow, and

796
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: I get that sometimes it's unsustainable, but that is also

797
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: money for the worker that can no longer that now

798
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: longer no longer has access to that to survive. So

799
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're looking at the polling and they say, wow,

800
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: this this could work. Seems like even Republicans love thistent

801
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: of Republicans support this bill, and look, and that's that's

802
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: not bad considering how you know, boot brained. Most conservatives

803
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: are about like, you know, going to work and being productive.

804
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: But I just want to read like in the in

805
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: the text of the bill, or just like as they've

806
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: rolled out this bill, they're they're pointing to like why

807
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: this is necessary, because it's not just like oh man,

808
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 1: my fucking boss, right quote. A growing body of research

809
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: demonstrates that unstable and unpredictable work schedules have significant detrimental

810
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: impacts on sleep quality, mental health, and happiness, and are

811
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: associated with unstable childcare care arrangements and negative health and

812
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: behavioral outcomes for children. And impacts are likely to be

813
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: the most severe for workers of color and their families,

814
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: as workers of color are more likely than their white counterparts,

815
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: even compared to white co workers at the same company,

816
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: to experience unstable work schedules. Unstable and unpredictable work schedules

817
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: and the work family conflict they produce are also associated

818
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: with higher rates of turnover, which creates further instability for

819
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: employers and workers. Just like it's like right there, like

820
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: how what's so, what's the problem? It just makes sense, right,

821
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: And it's introduced by my president Elizbeth Warren, who's who

822
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: I voted for in the primaries. But hey, we got Joe.

823
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: You know, do we think this has a chance of

824
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: like getting through, Like maybe the bipartisanship will help it

825
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: get through and get passed. Yeah, that sounds like it

826
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: will happen. I mean, it make it makes sense, so

827
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: it probably won't pass. I think, you know, I don't

828
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: know who's opposed to it yet, but you can you

829
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: can tell somebody whose main donors, like the Chamber of

830
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: Commerce or something. Sure they're going to be like, hey, man,

831
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: don't fucking make standardized humane treatment for there's a law

832
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: you fucking we should cut out that part about why

833
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: it's good for workers and just put the part where

834
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: it's good for the corporations because turn over. Yeah, don't

835
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: you want less turnover? I feel like that's how you

836
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: got to talk in this ant climate, because that's the

837
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: only way if you put that it's better for working

838
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: color girl, I don't even put that, but it's good

839
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: for the employers because they don't want to hear that, right, right, right,

840
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: It's we'll see what happens. I mean, I think, ah,

841
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: you'd hope that something like this would work. But it

842
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: is really interesting though, when you just look at like

843
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: the poll numbers, right, like significant support for something like

844
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: this from across the political spectrum, and it's like it's

845
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: hard to watch democrats kind of tout these bills that

846
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: have such bistart bipartisan support, but not see the fucking

847
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: thread here. You know, like, hey, man, fucking worker rights

848
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: are really popular now since you're not willing to do

849
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Speaker 1: anything about the inequality, like in terms of taxation for

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Speaker 1: shitty poll numbers go up. But like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you never know, let's see what they do tremendously. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. Just yeah. It's literally like leaving bread crumbs

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Speaker 1: for like a child, which is how I leave my

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Speaker 1: children home from leaving a trail of bread crumbs for

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Speaker 1: some reason, works just worked, but it's just like over here,

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Speaker 1: over here, and then like you know, they get distracted

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Speaker 1: by in this case, lobbyists or whoever is going to

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Speaker 1: tell them that it. This is gonna make it impossible

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Speaker 1: to make schedules or you know, yeah yeah, instead of

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the thing. It's like, this was

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Speaker 1: I think first, I think Elizabeth Warren first tried to

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Speaker 1: introduce it to Congress, like in twenty nineteen. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: So I've been trying to chop at this tree, you know,

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Speaker 1: There was one um, I want to say that like

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Speaker 1: that as the gospel truth. But seen Day also passed

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Speaker 1: a similar thing, and it's I think it's just one

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Speaker 1: of those things for ages, people have always been advocating

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Speaker 1: for something like this, which is you have to let

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Speaker 1: people know when they're working and not working at a

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Speaker 1: bare minimum, like you can't. We can't have the power

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Speaker 1: is the status quo in this country. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's why we see bills like this constantly being like, Hi,

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Speaker 1: how about now? Yeah? Right maybe, but yeah, And it

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Speaker 1: something like that, because just schedules. But that's why I

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Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Warren because she just tries to do it

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Speaker 1: like baby crumbs, exactly like what Jack was, like, bit

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Speaker 1: movement of what we're trying to do. Like before that,

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Speaker 1: to regulate it to make it more consumer friendly, to

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Speaker 1: like make it more transparent and all these other things

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Speaker 1: that she was trying to do, but they didn't listen

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Speaker 1: to her. So she she does her best to try

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Speaker 1: to break things down for everybody. But it feels like

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Speaker 1: to work with them. So let's see what they let's

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Speaker 1: see what they do. They've been extremely disappointing. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then think and meanwhile, you know, Biden just bowsed

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Speaker 1: to the moderate wing, and then we just get a

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Speaker 1: fucking flurry of things like why the progressives fucked it

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Speaker 1: all up? Excuse you? No, they look at the people

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Speaker 1: who are saying no to this ship that was wildly popular.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't fucking progressive, and you would think that Biden

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Speaker 1: would just go for it and just do it like

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Speaker 1: he's you're on your way out of life, you know,

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Speaker 1: like you're like it's like like balls to the walls,

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Speaker 1: like you know, you only live once. He's probably like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I got hey, I got another run in me. You

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Speaker 1: die tomorrow, bidn'. I don't know why body even feels

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Speaker 1: like he has another term. You don't. He might not

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Speaker 1: have another week. Yeah, Like there was that quote he

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Speaker 1: gave about Taiwan and then the no no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: And you're like, oh my god, like is he is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it that he's just freestyling up there. It's like

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Speaker 1: he saw how to be president twenty years ago and

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Speaker 1: thinks that that's what we need right now, like be

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Speaker 1: a war monger right now. Everybody's trying to just survive inflation,

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Speaker 1: like you're trying to, like you think that we want

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Speaker 1: the kind of president that we would have needed maybe

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago, which we wouldn't have needed that at

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Speaker 1: all anyway. But I feel like he's not able to

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Speaker 1: pivot and focus on the moment and do what's needed

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Speaker 1: in the moment. And that's been clear with just his

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Speaker 1: you know, inability to have a real discussion about you know,

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Speaker 1: Roevie Wade and how to actually codify proper abortion access

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Speaker 1: into law. But I think that's hopefully again, maybe this

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Speaker 1: is a radicalizing moment for some people to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see things are really fucked up. I see that

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Speaker 1: but they're not doing it. Make this make sense because

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, I see what is happening to

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Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne. I'm like, damn, could you imagine if the

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Speaker 1: Democrats did that ship to fucking Joe Mansion try and

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Speaker 1: you really want to Okay, you know you piste us off,

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Speaker 1: watch us eat your ass up, because are you know

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Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne was getting in the way of their like

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Speaker 1: polite stroll into fascism, and they you know, they did

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Speaker 1: what they had to oust him pretty quickly, so they're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna wait to see what happens with the mid

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Speaker 1: terms and then make a decision. But like I just

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Speaker 1: started hearing like my first Democrat being like I'm considering

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Speaker 1: a run for assuming Biden doesn't run, but like almost

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Speaker 1: like a like that is a like fifty fifty shot

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Speaker 1: at this point the Biden doesn't run, at which point,

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Speaker 1: like the news cycle just becomes utter fucking chaos if

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Speaker 1: he announces that he's not gonna run. The person in

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Speaker 1: question Eric Adams from New York City. Great, a brand

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Speaker 1: new mayor who was a cop. Great, amazing, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: more cops, more cops. Cos. Let's just spend the last

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Speaker 1: minute of the episode cops, Cop scops, Cops, cops. Everybod

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Speaker 1: Charlotte is such a pleasure having you as always, wear

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Speaker 1: can find you, follow you, all that good stuff. You

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Speaker 1: know what. Hilariously, I am not on social media. Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm driving. I'm just like I ever heard

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Speaker 1: who what? But then you go on YouTube trying to

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Speaker 1: find your put a ring on it clip. You know

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Speaker 1: it's literally all over YouTube like everything is this trial

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Speaker 1: how I don't watch this ship, but they fucked the

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Speaker 1: algorithms up there, that's all I see. Yeah, I am

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Speaker 1: starting a new blog for expiring, new and inspiring screenwriters

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Speaker 1: this episode is up, and if it's not, it'll be

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Speaker 1: up at some point. That is brand new and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be launching that. Is there a tweet or some

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Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying, or

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Speaker 1: just regular media? Yeah, actually my magazine art. No, my

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Speaker 1: little sister sends me hilarious oh good, okay shorts all

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Speaker 1: the time, so I'm gonna send it over to you guys.

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Speaker 1: It's just this little girl in this in this wig store,

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Speaker 1: dancing with the little wig and it's it's hilarious. I

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Speaker 1: felt like a Spanish like a part of Riffon in

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Speaker 1: his hair. I felt part of Rifflon. Y'all know. I

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Speaker 1: love and support a riffon if Miles Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? Find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Uh

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Speaker 1: and also check out Obviously Mad Boost. He is the

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Speaker 1: basketball podcast Jack and I do get fantastic guests. This

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Speaker 1: week is note different. Also check out for Fiance if

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Speaker 1: you like ninety day Fiance say some tweets that I like? Well, ITCHI, well, ITCHI,

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Speaker 1: well ITCHI. Let's try this one. This one is just

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Speaker 1: funny to me because I laugh at people who are

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Speaker 1: taking crypto ls, you know, when they can afford to. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not laughing at the small retail investor who may

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Speaker 1: have been absolutely hoodwinked. But this is from More Butter.

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Speaker 1: At More Butter TV tweeted Seth Green's board ape and

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Speaker 1: no longer owns the commercial rights to the n f

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Speaker 1: T and thus the show cannot move forward. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: how is he going to perpetuate these racist memes? Oh? Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm not laughing, I know, I know. And

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Speaker 1: here here's another one for all the I think you

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Speaker 1: should leave fans out there. President of unders At Mr

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Speaker 1: zoom Er tweeted a picture of a guy like with

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Speaker 1: his new lawn sign. And you know those lawn signs.

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Speaker 1: I say, like, in this house we believe like love

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Speaker 1: is love, Black lives matter like those sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: being like, hey, you're in a safe neighborhood until you

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Speaker 1: ask me for something by knocking on my door kind

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Speaker 1: of signs. This sign says, in this house, we believe.

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Speaker 1: The bones are their money. So are the worms. They've

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Speaker 1: never seen so much food is this underground? There's half

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Speaker 1: as much food as this. Bones equal dollars, just because

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Speaker 1: that the skeletons came to life. Song sketch is one

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Speaker 1: of my favorites. That is the bones are their money.

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Speaker 1: The thing I like about I think you should leave,

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Speaker 1: which I always forget every one of the sketches until

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Speaker 1: someone quotes it for me and then I remember it

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Speaker 1: all over again and it's funny to me all over again.

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Speaker 1: But it cannot stick in my brain for some reason,

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Speaker 1: which is good, which is good. Yeah, you can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien. Uh. A couple

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Speaker 1: of tweets have been enjoying. Jenny Hogan tweeted, I've been

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Speaker 1: described as introverted by dozens of men I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to talk to. And then Dama Tella Versaci tweeted asking

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Speaker 1: a close friend, what do you do for work? Again?

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Speaker 1: Which is just something I identified. You can find people

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Speaker 1: like that like, wait, what do you do? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what any of my friends and finance

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Speaker 1: do for a living, like none of them? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's okay. Facts zero. You can find us on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Daily Zeitgeist for at the Daily Zegheist on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: we have Facebook fan page and a website, Daily zeitgeist

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Speaker 1: dot com, where we post our episodes and our footnotes.

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Speaker 1: We link off to the information that we talked about

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we

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Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do we think

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Speaker 1: people might enjoy? Oh? Man, this track is from NIA

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Speaker 1: Archives and it's called love Light. I don't know where

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Speaker 1: or she is from what This track is like very

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Speaker 1: d i y like pop kind of thing, but it

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Speaker 1: almost feels like she's combining like West African highlights like

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Speaker 1: guitar with drumming bass and singing on it it's a

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Speaker 1: very like genre diverse, like very like guess that mute.

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Speaker 1: When you hear you're like, oh shit, okay, we're in

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Speaker 1: two for sure. Listen to this ship. Uh So this

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Speaker 1: is NIA Archives with love like l U B l

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Speaker 1: I k alright Well. Daily Zakais is a production of

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Speaker 1: by Heart Radio. For more podcast from my heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: visit the heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you

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Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows. That is going to do

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Speaker 1: it for us this morning. We're back this afternoon to

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Speaker 1: tell you what's trending and we will talk to you

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Speaker 1: all that. Bye bye bye