Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: There she is, Miss Elizabeth. Hi, Saren, how you doing.
Speaker 3: I'm great. First, congratulations, I know I got here super early,
Speaker 3: four buses to get here.
Speaker 2: I'm impressed. I got a question for you. Do you
Speaker 2: know what's ridiculous?
Speaker 3: I do. It's a mashup between me and some email.
Speaker 2: Oh this sounds promising. It is.
Speaker 3: We got this ridiculously cool email from a guy. I'm
Speaker 3: going to read it to you. Hello, Zed and furry
Speaker 3: four legged intern and occasional two legged intern furries. I've
Speaker 3: done it. I have been listening to true crime podcasts forever.
Speaker 3: In a random search for Winnipeg crime, my hometown, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I came across your episode The Great Jewel Thief. I
Speaker 3: actually remember the CIBC bank robbery as I was a
Speaker 3: young lad in my early twenties when it occurred. I
Speaker 3: thoroughly enjoyed the chemistry you both have and decided quote
Speaker 3: I think I'll give this podcast a shot. So on
Speaker 3: March twenty first, twenty twenty six, I started listening from
Speaker 3: the beginning from six am when I left for work,
Speaker 3: all day at work ups delivery driver until ten pm,
Speaker 3: when I arrived home sixteen hours a day, six days
Speaker 3: a week. I even re listened to the throwback episodes
Speaker 3: because you guys are hilarious. I gotta say I was
Speaker 3: absolutely destroyed by quote I want to lick that Adams Apple.
Speaker 3: I'm happy to say today April twenty ninth, twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: I have caught up and now well now I'm lost.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with my days, looking
Speaker 3: forward to many, many more episodes.
Speaker 2: Ham Dad, Ham Dad.
Speaker 3: Well, we had the assistant right back, can say like,
Speaker 3: can we read this okay?
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 3: And you know, you know, can we use your name?
Speaker 3: And he said, well, you can call me ham Dad
Speaker 3: and then gave the sweetest, coolest reason explanation of the nickname.
Speaker 3: He said, it's my favorite life story. When I got married,
Speaker 3: my wife had a young child. When he was eight,
Speaker 3: he said he thought it was disrespectful to call me
Speaker 3: by his verse name because I raised him and it
Speaker 3: would be rude to his dad to call me dad.
Speaker 3: So we squished everything together and I became ham Dad,
Speaker 3: and for almost fifteen years that has been my gamer tag,
Speaker 3: theater company name, in pretty much my whole identity. Hope
Speaker 3: you have a great day, keep being ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that. Thank you.
Speaker 3: That made me so happy. Ham Dad's kind of the
Speaker 3: coolest we've encountered in a long time. Yeah really, And
Speaker 3: I just am shocked that you could listen to our voices.
Speaker 2: That much time.
Speaker 3: My family is like, you need to stop talking. And
Speaker 3: I don't talk to him all about often, so hats all.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll be on the phone to say and I
Speaker 2: can hear my own voice and I'm like, I need
Speaker 2: to get off this call. I'm getting tired of hearing
Speaker 2: my son.
Speaker 3: I can't stand listening to myself. I have dad, you're
Speaker 3: a trooper.
Speaker 2: Well, that is definitely ridiculous. I mean, sixteen hours a day, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm impressed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's talk about working sixteen hours a day.
Speaker 2: Six days a week. Shout out to the working man,
Speaker 2: shout out to our ups driver.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, so yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I'll certify that one, Elizabeth, I got one for you. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is definitely ridiculous. Okay, Like sometimes a person will
Speaker 2: do one crime in order to do a different crime,
Speaker 2: like until they realize they should have just stuck to
Speaker 2: the first crime. But by then it's way too late. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,
Speaker 2: heists and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free
Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous, reridiculous, Elizabeth Z. We don't
Speaker 2: cover a lot of crime stories that take place in Asia.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that we did cover the Tibet and India
Speaker 2: with the Jimmy Stewart and the stolen yetty hand.
Speaker 3: Very true.
Speaker 2: And of course we did cover the North Korean Godzilla
Speaker 2: movie and the kidnapping and daring escape by the director
Speaker 2: and star actress. But I don't think we've ever covered
Speaker 2: a story that takes place in China.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think we have.
Speaker 2: Today. We're going to change that.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love it.
Speaker 2: As the Taipei Times reported in two thousand and seven, quote,
Speaker 2: two ordinary bank workers have committed one of the most
Speaker 2: bizarre bank heist in recent Chinese history. Not only was
Speaker 2: it bizarre, it was also the biggest most lucrative bank
Speaker 2: robbery in Chinese history.
Speaker 3: Oh you're kidding, Yes, and bizarre and bizarre.
Speaker 2: Now, most of this story comes from a really excellent
Speaker 2: write up by David Gouve Herbert or Harbear called Jackpot.
Speaker 2: You can find it on the platform medium. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And Elizabeth, you may be wondering, what's the story, then, Zaren, Zaren,
Speaker 2: what's the story? Great question, Elizabeth, way to come out
Speaker 2: of the gates at a full gal. I'm so first,
Speaker 2: let's identify our players. And I need to say throughout this,
Speaker 2: I looked up and listened to all of the pronunciations
Speaker 2: in Chinese. I'm going to be trying my level best.
Speaker 2: I'm not a native Mandarin speaker, so please give me
Speaker 2: a little latitude if I don't get my tonality exactly correct.
Speaker 2: I'm really trying.
Speaker 3: You're trying, and I think that you know we do that.
Speaker 3: We do our best. Yes, it's never malicious, No, it's
Speaker 3: always with great respect.
Speaker 2: Now, this story features two bank Vault co managers who
Speaker 2: had a truly wild style and approach to crime. There
Speaker 2: is shun Xiao Fung is age thirty four at the
Speaker 2: time of the crime, and he was the mastermind. And
Speaker 2: then there is Ma shin jiong He aged thirty seven
Speaker 2: at the time of the crime. They both worked at
Speaker 2: the Agricultural Bank of China in Handan City in the
Speaker 2: Hubei province in northern China. Now Shun Xiao Fung was
Speaker 2: the youngest of four in a family from the Hubei Province.
Speaker 2: Local boy right now. Shun was also reportedly a cute kid,
Speaker 2: think like Rosie cheeks, bright curious eyes. Some even called
Speaker 2: him handsome. He was the lucky member of his generation
Speaker 2: because growing up in the nineteen eighties, his family had
Speaker 2: moved from the rural north and relocated in the more
Speaker 2: prosperous south relative to where he'd started now. The time
Speaker 2: Shun was born, the family was living in a city
Speaker 2: called Deming, and that's where Jun enjoyed a childhood filled
Speaker 2: with games and play and free from the rural farm
Speaker 2: work times. And he gets doted upon. He's like, you know,
Speaker 2: the joy of the family.
Speaker 3: He's a little cherub that everybody loves totally.
Speaker 2: And he went to a preferential school located in the
Speaker 2: old walled section of the city. That it's important to know
Speaker 2: his family was not wealthy, but rather his father was
Speaker 2: a member of the Communist Party, and as a member
Speaker 2: in good standing in the party, his father had some
Speaker 2: juice so he could guarantee his son went to good
Speaker 2: schools and later got a good job, which is what happened,
Speaker 2: and Shun eventually finds employment at the most profitable branch
Speaker 2: of the Agricultural Bank of China, which is one of
Speaker 2: the big four banks in China. So it's to be
Speaker 2: like if I don't know Bank of America, sure, all right. So,
Speaker 2: as it turns out, Shun had a natural gift for
Speaker 2: counting money. Now, while a standard every day bank teller
Speaker 2: could count, say like eight hundred bills and then double
Speaker 2: check it, banned it, stamped the amount on the stack,
Speaker 2: and they say that they could do that in like
Speaker 2: five minutes time, Jhun could do the same operation for
Speaker 2: two thousand bills.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had some light fingers just right.
Speaker 3: Did they ever make him race that counting machine?
Speaker 2: No, But they do a competition in China where bank
Speaker 2: tellers compete to see who can count the most money
Speaker 2: the fastest. They have a intern branch competitions like mar
Speaker 2: Bank versus your bank. We're sending Jun right, and he
Speaker 2: went out. He won his local contest, and then he
Speaker 2: went on to compete in the provincial regional tournament against
Speaker 2: all the other Yes, and he placed second in regionals.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. Now, all this to say,
Speaker 2: June was good with cash, and his bosses at the
Speaker 2: bank they notice, right, so soon enough they promote him,
Speaker 2: and Juhn works his way up the ladder at the bank.
Speaker 2: Eventually he joins the ranks of like the junior executives
Speaker 2: or whatever. Now with his newfound prestige, he then is
Speaker 2: able to find the nerve to ask out a woman
Speaker 2: he worked with. She agreed, and then the two hit
Speaker 2: it off and.
Speaker 3: He eventually proposed showed off by counting money.
Speaker 2: Let me see how much for that bill? So again,
Speaker 2: she agrees to go out with him. Right, they hit
Speaker 2: it off. They eventually get married. Things are looking good
Speaker 2: for young Jun right now. Some time passes and next
Speaker 2: thing you know, the young married couple they welcome their
Speaker 2: first child, but not just one kid, Elizabeth. The couple
Speaker 2: had twins, boy and a girl, fraternal twins.
Speaker 3: Very happy.
Speaker 2: So I had to point out to myself, oh my god,
Speaker 2: because the whole identical thing. Yes, I thought you could
Speaker 2: have identical twins that are a boy and a girl.
Speaker 2: That would not be how that works out. So anyway,
Speaker 2: the married couple, they have their twins boy and girl,
Speaker 2: and as I learned in China, they celebrate the birth
Speaker 2: of fraternal twins. When it's a boy and a girl,
Speaker 2: they call it a dragon phoenix twins if you're wondering,
Speaker 2: the boy is the dragon, the girl is the phoenix.
Speaker 2: So now, at the time, China was still operating under
Speaker 2: its one child policy, so by having twins it was
Speaker 2: like skirting the rule without any penalty. When when right,
Speaker 2: So at this point, the married couple and their dragon
Speaker 2: phoenix babies are living in a modest apartment. He's getting
Speaker 2: by on his bank salary.
Speaker 3: Around what time is this?
Speaker 2: This would be like the around the year two thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So things are rolling smoothly like a you know, like
Speaker 2: a magic like a ball of mercury rolling down like silk.
Speaker 3: Right, I can see that smooth, I can see that.
Speaker 2: So then Juhn has run of good luck all of
Speaker 2: a sudden comes to an abrupt end. Yes, at the bank,
Speaker 2: the leadership decides to cut back on some executives. Juhn,
Speaker 2: who was thirty three at the time, gets demoted. At
Speaker 2: this point, this is two thousand and six, We're in
Speaker 2: two okay, right, so no longer a junior executive. Now
Speaker 2: Shun is now taxed with processing cash withdrawals from the vault. Right,
Speaker 2: he's a step down he used to be on like
Speaker 2: the management.
Speaker 3: Lists set behind the test.
Speaker 2: Fingers count money right, oh man. So the demotion also
Speaker 2: comes with a reduction in salary. So his take home
Speaker 2: pay is cut in not by a third, not by
Speaker 2: a quarter, by half. Big time. Two young babies at
Speaker 2: home along with his wife himself a lot to take
Speaker 2: care of. So Jehn is faced with an economic crisis.
Speaker 2: But get this, one of his colleagues at the bank
Speaker 2: thinks he has a solution to his new money troubles. Okay, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: The advice was not maybe you should get a second job.
Speaker 2: The advice was not maybe start your own business. Advice
Speaker 2: was not maybe your wife can get a well paying
Speaker 2: job and work outside the home. No, his colleague was like,
Speaker 2: have you ever considered gambling?
Speaker 3: Hey? Listen.
Speaker 2: So the trouble with this plan is that after the
Speaker 2: Communist Revolution, the Kaimum and the Communist took power in
Speaker 2: forty nine, the outlawed gambling. Oh really, yeah, So Shun
Speaker 2: was told to start gambling by his colleague at the
Speaker 2: only legal casino which was in Macau. Or there were
Speaker 2: the racetracks at all, right, but both McAll and Hong
Speaker 2: konger and southern China, and June lives in northern China. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if you know this, but China
Speaker 2: is not small.
Speaker 3: No, right at all.
Speaker 2: So basically it's like if you told me you're having
Speaker 2: money troubles in Oakland and I said, maybe you should
Speaker 2: start gambling in Atlantic City. There is like a whole continent.
Speaker 3: Between a lot. There's a lot there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not the strongest proposed solution. Now, but
Speaker 2: there was a third option for legal gambling somehow. Despite
Speaker 2: the Communists ban on gambling, there were still state run lotteries.
Speaker 2: Oh so Shuan wanted to he could always play the
Speaker 2: scratch off lottery tickets. The reason why the Chinese had
Speaker 2: state run lotteries was simple. The PRC needed to raise
Speaker 2: funds a big projects. They would ask the people to
Speaker 2: pay for it through lotteries like you can win a.
Speaker 3: Little too, like here for education lot exactly.
Speaker 2: And they had a really big project coming up called
Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight Beijing Olympics.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, So in two thousand.
Speaker 2: And six, when June's considering the idea of getting deep
Speaker 2: into gambling, the Chinese Sports Lottery and the Chinese welfare lottery.
Speaker 2: There are like two of the biggest. They are hugely profitable.
Speaker 2: They're just raking it in. There's advertisements everywhere, right, they're
Speaker 2: pulling in like ten point four billion dollars in a
Speaker 2: year in profits. No, yes, So Jun tries his luck
Speaker 2: at the lottery. He buys a two wan ticket, which
Speaker 2: is equivalent to about twenty five cents. Then he plops
Speaker 2: down in front of the TV that night to watch
Speaker 2: the nightly lottery results and so on state run TV
Speaker 2: they would broadcast the lottery poll. So it's the same thing,
Speaker 2: lottery balls jostling around inside like a giant bubble or whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the balls get pulled one at a time. Winning numbers
Speaker 2: are announced, and June sees that he lost, but he's
Speaker 2: been super lucky up till now. So he's like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe I just need to play a little more lottery.
Speaker 2: So same thing.
Speaker 3: He buys a cheap tick slippery slope.
Speaker 2: He comes home and he watches the live drawing of
Speaker 2: the numbers, and he loses again, and then the next
Speaker 2: and again and then again. Apparently it's good fortune did
Speaker 2: not extend to lotteries. Well, buddy, So however, you can't
Speaker 2: win if you don't play, Elizabeth. We say this all time.
Speaker 3: That is so true, because I'm like desperate to win,
Speaker 3: but I don't play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really impossible, it would.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like winning the lottery would solve a
Speaker 3: lot of problems for me.
Speaker 2: Really you think so?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm total Seeing.
Speaker 2: The record for lottery winners. It's not pretty, no.
Speaker 3: I know, but I'm different, native, different stuff, And I
Speaker 3: have a plan.
Speaker 2: Okay, I like this, Yeah, Okay, I do.
Speaker 3: I trust fully, a fully developed plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The only thing missing is me buying a lottery ticket.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's probably step one on your plan, it
Speaker 2: should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, I don't play the lottery because I know I
Speaker 2: would just ruin my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah you would, you totally.
Speaker 2: So anyways, June, he keeps at it right, He's got
Speaker 2: a new daily routine. He stops buy some crappy little
Speaker 2: shop that sells lottery tickets, He buys some home, and
Speaker 2: he waits for the broadcast to see if he's won.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like my lookie numbers come up today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's like I only make half the money
Speaker 3: I used to make. Let me just bleed some out
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: Twenty five cents at a time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Still, well he final he counts.
Speaker 2: He wins one night, Elizabeth. But when he takes his
Speaker 2: winning ticket back to the store where you know we
Speaker 2: bought it to like cash out the ticket, he learns
Speaker 2: that he just want some paltry little sum like twenty
Speaker 2: five cents, like make two dollars or whatever, So so
Speaker 2: much for that. Anyway, one day, Hun has a big idea.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not playing the lottery hard enough. Maybe he
Speaker 2: bought more and more tickets. Yes, he would, you know,
Speaker 2: up his odds of winning. He gets that big payday,
Speaker 2: so enough for his and his wife and his dragon
Speaker 2: in Phoenix twins future to be squared away. So in
Speaker 2: order to buy more and more tickets without taking food
Speaker 2: out of his family's mouths, he would need like a
Speaker 2: credit line, oh my god, kind of something, maybe a
Speaker 2: new source of money to gamble. Right, there's a bit.
Speaker 2: This is where his big idea comes into play.
Speaker 3: This is what we call gambling addiction.
Speaker 2: Well it gets here. It's a serious thing, think about it,
Speaker 2: definitely is. You know, like I've seen the little writing
Speaker 2: on the bottom of all those ads for big draft
Speaker 2: kings or whatever. Now because remember he's like, he's a
Speaker 2: smart guy. You know, he's got a lot of luck
Speaker 2: as he thinks. So he's like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: work at a bank. What a banks have, That's right,
Speaker 2: plenty of cash. So what if I, you know, borrow
Speaker 2: some of the bank's money, use that to play the lottery,
Speaker 2: and then whenever I win a big payout, I'll just
Speaker 2: put that back whatever I borrowed. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: boom boom boom.
Speaker 3: Well it beats taken out a line of credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stealing money from you the bank for you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I if I had to choose between the two,
Speaker 3: steal the money, well.
Speaker 2: I respect it, right, I mean it's one of those things.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, that's a choice.
Speaker 3: He is a choice. But debt, man, you want to
Speaker 3: avoid carrying debt?
Speaker 2: Yes, you should. Your advice crime over debt, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: Well I was thinking about it another way, which is
Speaker 2: it's basically a solid business plan. If you think about
Speaker 2: like using someone else's money to pay for your gambling,
Speaker 2: and then when it all works out, you promise to
Speaker 2: pay them back. I mean, that's basically the business plan
Speaker 2: of the whole AI industry. So the trouble for John
Speaker 2: was if you asked the bank about his plan to
Speaker 2: borrow their money too so he can play the lottery.
Speaker 2: The bank would call that a bank robbery. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: a real particular She.
Speaker 3: Didn't want to bother them. They have a lot going on.
Speaker 2: I know, right, But it just goes to show one
Speaker 2: man's business investment strategy is another person's felony. Anyway, Joan
Speaker 2: loves his new idea. He's like this, this is a winner.
Speaker 2: So he decides it's time to borrow or rob whatever
Speaker 2: the bank's money so he can win a big, big
Speaker 2: prize in the state run lottery. It's what you and
Speaker 2: I would call a fool proof plan. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 2: misread that a fool hearty plan. Sorry. Either way, that
Speaker 2: Juhn's play, which leaves the question how can he rob
Speaker 2: his bank?
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure he'll come up with something right.
Speaker 2: Old fast fingers, you know it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 2: Let's take a little break now, we got this heated up,
Speaker 2: and when we get back, Juhn robs a bank un
Speaker 2: and we're back. Elizabeth. You're ready to get to a
Speaker 2: crime in with Jean Shelf?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm there. I'm totally there.
Speaker 2: So Sean is a bank vault employee. I've told you that, right.
Speaker 2: So he knows the routine for the money counting system,
Speaker 2: he knows where the money is kept, he knows all
Speaker 2: the ins and outs of the bank vault operation, so
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be super difficult for him to pull off
Speaker 2: a bank heist. He knows all the loopholes and like
Speaker 2: you know, a weak points.
Speaker 3: That's what we would call an inside job, right.
Speaker 2: Except he's not the only one working the bank fault.
Speaker 2: That's the one problem for him, which means if he
Speaker 2: wants to pull off his investment strategy slash bank robbery,
Speaker 2: he'll need to recruit at least one, no, make that two,
Speaker 2: of his colleagues in order to pull out.
Speaker 3: Oh that's rough. Oh that's rough.
Speaker 2: So Jean gets to work recruiting a fetter to help
Speaker 2: them rob the bank where they both work. And the
Speaker 2: truly tricky part, as I said, is that he doesn't
Speaker 2: need just one bank employee, he needs two, not just employees,
Speaker 2: vault managers. Yes, the co managers they called them, because
Speaker 2: the vault requires two bank vault managers to use their
Speaker 2: two keys at the same time to slide open the
Speaker 2: vault door right right. It's like like a nuclear sub
Speaker 2: where they got to turn the two keys at the
Speaker 2: same time to launch a nuclear missile. All right, So
Speaker 2: in this year we're in at this point, it's two
Speaker 2: thousand and six. Still okay, Jun approaches a bank vault manager,
Speaker 2: this cat name Choo Shunn, all right, and when that's successful,
Speaker 2: he approaches a second bank vault manager, a cat name
Speaker 2: Jiang Cheng. Now both agree to help them rob the bank. Huzza, yay.
Speaker 2: No one saw that coming. There was no problem is
Speaker 2: he just asked the me, hedn't want to rob the bank.
Speaker 3: I hate this job town.
Speaker 2: You want to rub the bank? Totally?
Speaker 3: What have they just been like constantly buying lotto tickets
Speaker 3: and bringing their family closer and closer to bankruptcy. And
Speaker 3: they'd been thinking about it at home and.
Speaker 2: Then we got potty brought us.
Speaker 3: He's like, Jinks, buy me a coke. I was about
Speaker 3: to tell you I have the same plan. And then
Speaker 3: they just like skipped around did a montage.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: And also in the backdrop of all this, China is
Speaker 2: going through this economic expansion. They've been doing it for
Speaker 2: a while. In two thousand and six, with all this
Speaker 2: money floating around getting ready for the Olympics. Everybody's watching
Speaker 2: their friends suddenly get rich off of private property, and
Speaker 2: they're like, how do I get involved? So that I
Speaker 2: shouldn't mention that as part of the MOTI mention that
Speaker 2: in October of two thousand and six, on the thirteenth
Speaker 2: of that month, the three men strike for the first time.
Speaker 2: They stole roughly one hundred thousand one Now that would
Speaker 2: be about a twelve five hundred dollars US. Okay, no,
Speaker 2: it's not a big haul, right, it's it's but it's
Speaker 2: enough to buy a shipload of lottery tickets.
Speaker 3: The way they go back to the lotter ticket.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the whole plan, Elizabeth. Steal money from the
Speaker 2: bank to buy lottery tickets to win big and like
Speaker 2: a big, big prize, so.
Speaker 3: You get the big money. If you go to like Macau, yeah,
Speaker 3: well the people will steal the big money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's got to travel there. There's lots of cameras
Speaker 2: and security, and it's like, if you go to the lottery,
Speaker 2: you can just win like a ton if you just
Speaker 2: have enough tickets. People have proven that if you buy
Speaker 2: enough tickets. You reduce the odds anyway, Shun. He uses
Speaker 2: his kind of the proceeds to buy twenty thousand wand
Speaker 2: in lottery tickets for roughly twenty five hundred dollars. Then
Speaker 2: he went back to his previous routine. He went home,
Speaker 2: he watched on TV for the live drawing of the
Speaker 2: lottery balls from that big plastic ball that's tumble on them,
Speaker 2: and the lottery music's playing. The sunny faced host is
Speaker 2: alcohol excited, reading off the numbers one by one. Jun
Speaker 2: checks his many mini mini tickets in front of him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and wouldn't you know it, Elizabeth, he had the winning
Speaker 2: numbers on one of his mini mini tickets. His plan
Speaker 2: had worked perfectly. He won, but he didn't win the
Speaker 2: Mega prize. Instead, he won like one hundred thousand wand
Speaker 2: which is almost exactly the same amount he and his
Speaker 2: co conspirators had borrowed and stolen from the back.
Speaker 3: No stolen at this point is not bar stolen.
Speaker 2: So it's also about five times more than the twenty
Speaker 2: thousand he'd used to buy all the lottery tickets. So
Speaker 2: he's thinking he's a genius, his lifelong good fortunes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so what does he do now.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth, does he tell them that he won? Who his buddies?
Speaker 2: Oh, I know they're in on it.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows that he won that money, and they're not
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna guess they're not gonna go put it
Speaker 3: back in the vault like he promised.
Speaker 2: No, you're right. He plowed all of his winnings back
Speaker 2: into the lottery. Yeah, hoping like hell that he'd win
Speaker 2: the Mega Prize. He's just right there. But he did
Speaker 2: not win the Mega Prize. It was further than he
Speaker 2: could reach. So he proceeds to get back all of
Speaker 2: his winnings and he went on a seemingly endless streak
Speaker 2: of losing. He got that first caste. He's like, see
Speaker 2: my plans work in business.
Speaker 3: Heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: So at this point, what does he do now, Elizabeth, Well,
Speaker 2: he and his two co conspirators decide they're going to
Speaker 2: need to rob the bank where they work again.
Speaker 3: They's no, not these two for three.
Speaker 2: They just need to get a little more cash for
Speaker 2: the lottery. Boom boom boom. They're bound to win again. Right.
Speaker 2: Trouble for this plan is one of his co conspirators
Speaker 2: chickens out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jang Chang. He's like, no, son, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get caught. We can't be out here rob the bank
Speaker 2: where we work, like it's a kiddy's piggy bank, and
Speaker 2: where daddy gonna go put the money back once we
Speaker 2: win the power ball. Yeah, they're like, you know, Jeong's
Speaker 2: making sense right, So at this point, Jeong he's out
Speaker 2: plus to clear them of all suspicion. He also informs
Speaker 2: Shun and the other cat chow that he'd used his
Speaker 2: personal savings to replace the original one hundred thousand wands
Speaker 2: if they had robbed for the bank before anyone could
Speaker 2: figure out what they had done.
Speaker 3: He's such a goody two shoes.
Speaker 2: Totally, and Shun's like it okay, cool, cool man. So
Speaker 2: that means no one's looking for any missing money. So
Speaker 2: that's fantastic news. That means we can hit it again
Speaker 2: so I can buy more lottery.
Speaker 3: Tickets, Oh my god, which is.
Speaker 2: Exactly what he does. And when you know what, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: the gambling gods once again smiled down on Jun. He
Speaker 2: was able to win again a big prize this time.
Speaker 2: In fact, this time it's it's a really big score,
Speaker 2: like two hundred and ten thousand, one like double what
Speaker 2: he's won before, basically twenty six thousand, five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Sure that would have been enough money to return earn
Speaker 2: what he'd stolen the second time. Yeah, and to pay
Speaker 2: back Jong for what he'd replaced from the first robbery.
Speaker 2: So do you think that Jun did the smart and
Speaker 2: honorable thing or do you think he did the stupid
Speaker 2: and selfish thing.
Speaker 3: I think, because we're talking about him, stupid and selfish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to answer that because you already
Speaker 2: know the answer since he's on this show. So what
Speaker 2: Jun did was to lie to Jang and he who
Speaker 2: had paid back that first money, right, Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: he and the third catch how they they they lied
Speaker 2: to Jang, They tell them that they lost, They don't
Speaker 2: tell them they But I saw coming.
Speaker 3: I thought that they'd start splintering off like that totally.
Speaker 2: Now they don't have to split the proceeds with him.
Speaker 2: So and at this time they were smart about one thing.
Speaker 2: They did replace the money they'd stolen from the bank
Speaker 2: that second time.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 2: So at this time both robberies have been successfully covered up. Okay,
Speaker 2: and they've won twice, and they've managed and said to
Speaker 2: hide the hole and no one's found out. So as
Speaker 2: long as these three guys and they are all guilty,
Speaker 2: so none of them can turn on each other by Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then Old Jung's luck helps him out. After they
Speaker 2: returned the stolen cash from the second robbery, Jeun has
Speaker 2: made a bank vault co manager. Oh no, Now he
Speaker 2: doesn't need the other two guys because he has one
Speaker 2: of the bank vault keys. Now he just needs one
Speaker 2: other co manager. So he drops both Chao and Jiang
Speaker 2: and he finds a new bank vault co manager, fresh freshy.
Speaker 3: He doesn't stick with them.
Speaker 2: I think they can transferred out because he takes their position. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, he just needs to do with a
Speaker 2: little more grit, maybe a criminal backbone like him, because
Speaker 2: he plans to go big Bong bong.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Enter Ma shen Jong in early two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: In March, he's named to be the vault co manager
Speaker 2: with Jun so the same rank as Jun. Right, So
Speaker 2: Ma shen Zong was slightly older, as I said, thirty
Speaker 2: seven up top right, Shun is thirty four. Now. Ma
Speaker 2: was also a local boy, but he was from the
Speaker 2: country and he'd worked his way out of his rural village,
Speaker 2: he'd come to the city, he'd made good. Now he
Speaker 2: gets promoted to be a co manager at a bank. Basically,
Speaker 2: my man Ma was ambitious, hard work, and he had
Speaker 2: known hardship and he had no plans to taste that
Speaker 2: life again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, he's exceedingly honest in all his business dealings. Like
Speaker 2: for one time, a bank customer left the bank and
Speaker 2: they dropped two hundred thousand and one, which is about
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars, and Ma finds it. He doesn't
Speaker 2: pocket it, he doesn't, like you know, do anything hinky
Speaker 2: with it. Instead, he locates the customer makes sure they
Speaker 2: get back their lost money, knowing what a big hit
Speaker 2: it would be for.
Speaker 3: The sure, what a good person.
Speaker 2: Right, So, on paper, he does not seem like the
Speaker 2: ideal candidate to approach about helping you rob the bank
Speaker 2: where both of you works. But as we've established, Jun's
Speaker 2: a gambler. So he sidles up to Ma and he
Speaker 2: gives him his pitch for have the two of them
Speaker 2: to co managers with the bank vault keys. They could
Speaker 2: score some easy loot if they rob the bank. It's
Speaker 2: a hugely risky move on Sham's part, right, Yeah, he
Speaker 2: could all collapse right.
Speaker 3: Here because he hasn't worked with him.
Speaker 2: No, he's brand new at the bank. Nobody knows much
Speaker 2: about this guy. He just started.
Speaker 3: He could just be like, let me show you how
Speaker 3: we do it at this branch.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm the co manager who has to take the money
Speaker 3: out and go and clean it, like physically scrub it
Speaker 3: at night at my house, and then.
Speaker 2: Bring it back, get the ironing board out. I got
Speaker 2: a crisp these.
Speaker 3: Bills, yes, and then I bring it back. They didn't
Speaker 3: tell you about that other trainings.
Speaker 2: Right with the banks you've worked at brand Wow, slackers.
Speaker 2: So what do you think happens when Juhn approaches Mad
Speaker 2: Does MA go for the pitch to become co conspirators?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 3: Does he there?
Speaker 2: Shockingly he does well. The former military veteran and ambitious
Speaker 2: country boy. Here's the plan about using their two bank
Speaker 2: vault keys to rob the bank, and he's like, bet,
Speaker 2: let's get that paper son.
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's like, I'm not paid enough, let's do this.
Speaker 2: Two days later, they got the power to the camera
Speaker 2: and the bank vault and they get to work as banks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like I said, he was like, bet, let's get this paper.
Speaker 3: Now did he know Did Mad know that Jin had
Speaker 3: done this before?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if he like, no,
Speaker 2: he'd probably just pretend.
Speaker 3: You know, I just had this crazy idea and I
Speaker 3: have a binder that I put together about it and
Speaker 3: don't ignore the other guy's names. And there that was
Speaker 3: just me, like, you know, spitballing it this morning.
Speaker 2: But of course, you know, like before, they don't go big.
Speaker 2: They just steal fifty thousand and one, which is roughly
Speaker 2: sixty five hundred dollars. Yeah, he goes off without a
Speaker 2: hitch perfect. They're like boom, boom boom. And then John
Speaker 2: takes the money, hits up the lottery shops, buys a
Speaker 2: boatload of lottery tickets. Yeah, that's still once again primary plan.
Speaker 2: He's just bankrolling his lottery play. And then together Jun
Speaker 2: and Mas sit down before the TV and together they
Speaker 2: watched the live drawing of the winning lottery numbers, and
Speaker 2: together they see that they lost none of their many
Speaker 2: many mini tickets had the winning numbers. Oh well, so
Speaker 2: I guess they can always rob the bank again replenish
Speaker 2: their investment capital, which is exactly what they do.
Speaker 3: Oh man, they use.
Speaker 2: Their two bank ball keys to open up the vault.
Speaker 2: They pill for some more cash, they buy more lottery
Speaker 2: tickets and they watched the live drawing again, and this
Speaker 2: time they also lose. They still they.
Speaker 3: Were getting so good at us, they were so close.
Speaker 2: They still had enough money though, from that this robbery
Speaker 2: to buy more lottery tickets, which they did, and yet
Speaker 2: again they sat down before the TV the live drawing
Speaker 2: of the winning numbers, and this time, Elizabeth, they won.
Speaker 2: You're kidding, yes, however, was no mega prize it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a big prize. They won like twenty
Speaker 2: thousand and one, roughly twenty six hundred dollars. That was
Speaker 2: less than they'd spent to buy all the lottery tickets,
Speaker 2: left far less than they stole, so it cannot cover
Speaker 2: the whole they've created. So now they're they're in deep
Speaker 2: right now. They're like, we got to keep doing this,
Speaker 2: We got to replace the hole. So you if you
Speaker 2: were wondering, like what do they do now, Zarin, well,
Speaker 2: I'm happy to tell you, en pre questioned Elizabeth. I
Speaker 2: know they keep criming, brother, of course, and because you know,
Speaker 2: they go back to work, they rob the bank again
Speaker 2: and again and again, and still some more. They robbed
Speaker 2: the bank nearly every day for two weeks. What they
Speaker 2: just keep taking money out like it's their own at
Speaker 2: every time, every day. They're just getting the backup, and
Speaker 2: they keep buying lottery tickets and they keep losing, and
Speaker 2: they're now the holes is getting bigger and bigger. They're
Speaker 2: creating a black hole in this bank vault. They'll be
Speaker 2: They don't squad for two weeks while robbing the bank
Speaker 2: nearly every day, unbelievable. Finally, on March twenty nine, two
Speaker 2: weeks after they started robbing the plays blind, some employees
Speaker 2: at the bank have to conduct the monthly audit of
Speaker 2: the vault.
Speaker 3: Wait, these two are why the opening ceremonies at the
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight games were so great. Yes, they
Speaker 3: funded it, personally funded it.
Speaker 2: So now the employees at the bank are supposed to
Speaker 2: do an audit of the vault, which they do now. Normally,
Speaker 2: the audit would require the employees to count the cash,
Speaker 2: review a security cam footage. But these employees, Elizabeth, were
Speaker 2: apparently extra lazy because what do they do. They just
Speaker 2: walk into the vault, they decide everything looks right, they
Speaker 2: close the door. They call it good. They don't do anything.
Speaker 3: They don't notice there's two weeks missing the cameras well.
Speaker 2: No, they don't look at any of the footage. They
Speaker 2: just open the vault door, look inside. Yep, they're like,
Speaker 2: that looks.
Speaker 3: Clean, Clerk Griswold at the rim of the Grand Canon.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So Jean and Ma they get super lucky
Speaker 2: they don't get caught. Meanwhile, John has been keeping his
Speaker 2: own records of how much they've been borrowing slash stealing
Speaker 2: from the vault, and he knows it's a lot. He
Speaker 2: just doesn't know exactly how much.
Speaker 4: He is.
Speaker 3: He still is lost track of how much they've taken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he has a pretty good tabulation, you know.
Speaker 2: But he's mostly focused on the hope of replacing the
Speaker 2: money they've stolen when they hit it big. So he's like, tomorrow, man,
Speaker 2: it's going to be tomorrow. Right to this point, though,
Speaker 2: he knows that they've stolen probably around two million one right,
Speaker 2: about two hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But Jean, he really needs his good luck to come back.
Speaker 2: So in April two thousand seven, lottery officials notice that
Speaker 2: the handan sports lottery is raking big profits. Right, It's
Speaker 2: basically what you said. They're like, man, suddenly there's a
Speaker 2: lot of players buying a lot of tickets, so.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have so many extra ribbons, get like ten
Speaker 3: more drums. This is great.
Speaker 2: So lottery officials started capitalizing their good fortune. They put
Speaker 2: out ads to further popularize the lottery. So now when
Speaker 2: Jon's on his way to work, he's like, I gotta
Speaker 2: play that lottery because he sees the ads everywhere unavoidable.
Speaker 2: So John and Ma they learned that the bank regulators
Speaker 2: are gonna swing by and do an official audit.
Speaker 3: Like a real one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unlike the lazy employees who just opened the bank vault,
Speaker 2: peeked inside and called it good, the bank regulators are
Speaker 2: going to do a professional level audit. Right. So keep
Speaker 2: in mind they were about two million wand in the red.
Speaker 2: But since then it has grown and grown because they
Speaker 2: kept robbing the place. So by April, Jean had, as
Speaker 2: I said, lost exact count, but he had a pretty
Speaker 2: good idea. You know, he may have been off by
Speaker 2: a couple of wand here there, but he knows it's
Speaker 2: about thirty three million wand, which would be about four
Speaker 2: point three million dollars that they've now stolen from the
Speaker 2: vault and spent on the lottery. What, yes, it's a
Speaker 2: you and how much lotter?
Speaker 3: I mean they got what like, they got like twenty
Speaker 3: eight dollars to show for it.
Speaker 2: Well if they win little bits, but.
Speaker 3: Not that they fold it back in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So any bank regulator worth their calculator is
Speaker 2: going to find this hole. And so it's also, by
Speaker 2: the way, more than any major lottery win could wipe away.
Speaker 2: They now need to win like multiple big mega prizes. Yes,
Speaker 2: so Juan and ma are good and properly screwed. So
Speaker 2: Joan has to come clean to his wife, well partially clean.
Speaker 2: He tells her half truth. He's like, look, I bought
Speaker 2: ten thousand and one worth of lottery chickerts. I didn't win. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm a little worried. That's why I've been acting funny
Speaker 2: at home. Yeah, And she's like, okay, Well she laughs
Speaker 2: in his face. He's like, oh, that's so cute, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's all one big joke, but just with
Speaker 2: no punchline. So she reasons that at worst, you know,
Speaker 2: like what is it like a few months of your salary.
Speaker 2: We can take care of that. So I've saved money.
Speaker 2: So she's like, you take the money I've saved, you
Speaker 2: buy more lottery tickets and that should make up the
Speaker 2: money you load. Right, She's like, we can get by.
Speaker 3: I think I'm familiar with the statistics.
Speaker 2: No, not at all, And I don't think she realized
Speaker 2: how much money she would have had to have saved.
Speaker 3: Yea like a month of your salary.
Speaker 2: So at this point, Jen has another one of his
Speaker 2: big ideas. He knew it was likely that the bank
Speaker 2: regulators would discover the thirty three million wand that was
Speaker 2: missing from the bank and he'd be facing a lifetime
Speaker 2: behind bars, that is, if he wasn't like executed by
Speaker 2: the state. So remember play about corruption.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 2: So Juhne's big idea now is the classic move. We
Speaker 2: need to pull off one last big job. Always always
Speaker 2: to make matters worse. They'll need to pull off their
Speaker 2: one last big job by robbing the bank while it
Speaker 2: is open.
Speaker 3: Right Wait, okay, so their plan is the.
Speaker 2: One last big job that they buy a ton of
Speaker 2: lottery tickets because they were sure but they had enough
Speaker 2: talking like millions of wand then they could win the
Speaker 2: Mega Grand prize, replace the thirty three million wand that
Speaker 2: they've already stolen. And then he was about four point
Speaker 2: three million, and so hopefully, you know, maybe they even
Speaker 2: have a little extra so they can get a taste.
Speaker 3: Are they are? They just going to get up from
Speaker 3: their desks and then walk outside and then walk back
Speaker 3: in and rob the place.
Speaker 2: Practically, they're playing simple.
Speaker 3: Guys, we know who you are. Yeah, well, it's not
Speaker 3: disguising their voices.
Speaker 2: They decide to steal eighteen million wand now one wrinkle
Speaker 2: is that the lottery shops can only sell fifty thousand
Speaker 2: wand in tickets to any one buyer, So they'll need
Speaker 2: to have hundreds of thousands of tickets printed up from
Speaker 2: shops all across the area, or they need to find
Speaker 2: some like hinky corrupt lottery dealers will just keep printing
Speaker 2: out stuff and then not admit who they're four. Yeah, so,
Speaker 2: but they're focused on that Mega Grand prize. These are
Speaker 2: all details, right, figure it out. Everything will be fine. However,
Speaker 2: first they would need to rob the bank. Now, rather
Speaker 2: than me tell you about.
Speaker 3: It, Elizabeth, close your eyes as a clue.
Speaker 2: I want you to picture it. It's April fourteenth, two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, Saturday, and you, Elizabeth, are waiting to
Speaker 2: be pressed against the cheek of junshiel Fung because you
Speaker 2: are a goodbye kiss from his wife. It's your big moment.
Speaker 2: As Jun grabs his keys and waits by the door,
Speaker 2: his wife approaches him, all smiles, and then she leans
Speaker 2: forward and boom, she kisses him goodbye. You pass from
Speaker 2: her lips to his cheek. Naturally, you stay with him
Speaker 2: as he opens the apartment door, closes it, and walks outside,
Speaker 2: and so you're still with him. When Jun gets in
Speaker 2: the family minivan and starts it up. You also hear
Speaker 2: him honk his horn to his neighbor and wave goodbye
Speaker 2: as the neighbor opens the gate to let the minivan
Speaker 2: out of the courtyard. You also stay with him when
Speaker 2: he arrives at work at the bank. He walks purposefully
Speaker 2: across the tile floor to the bank vault, opens it,
Speaker 2: and when he does, he accidentally trips a burglary alarm.
Speaker 2: The alarm goes off. The surveillance cameras record his presence,
Speaker 2: but he seems cool with it. Rather than panic, he
Speaker 2: just waves at the camera. A bank security guard sees
Speaker 2: Jun on his screen. Recognizing the bank's co manager of
Speaker 2: the vault, he shuts off the alarm. The vault falls silent,
Speaker 2: but in there, still pressed to his cheek, you can
Speaker 2: hear Jun's nervous breathing, and you also hear the approach
Speaker 2: of his co manager, Moth. The two men share a
Speaker 2: quick greeting expressed in grunts, and then, working together, they
Speaker 2: move eighteen million one which would be about two point
Speaker 2: three million dollars in the US, and they pack the
Speaker 2: money into safety deposit boxes. They then load the boxes
Speaker 2: onto a hand cart and they push the boxes into
Speaker 2: a cash counting room. The wheels of the hand cart
Speaker 2: make a rhythmic sound as they roll over the tile floor.
Speaker 2: The two bank managers leave the money in the cash
Speaker 2: counting room, and unexpectedly, they leave the bank altogether. Outside,
Speaker 2: they climb into Ren's minivan and they drive to a
Speaker 2: local restaurant. On the patio outside the restaurant, you see
Speaker 2: the two co managers meet with a group of three
Speaker 2: lottery vendors. The men exchange pleasantries and then get down
Speaker 2: to business. You hear Jun tell the three lottery vendors
Speaker 2: that a local iron tycoon wants to purchase a very
Speaker 2: large bundle of life tickets to give away to his employees.
Speaker 2: His money is ready for them at the bank. The
Speaker 2: two bank co managers climb back into Jun's minivan. The
Speaker 2: three lottery vendors take a car of their own and
Speaker 2: they follow Jun and Ma back to the bank. It's
Speaker 2: a short drive. The three lottery vendors wait inside the
Speaker 2: bank as Jun and Ma a tend to business. Inside
Speaker 2: the cash counting room, they empty the safe deposit boxes
Speaker 2: that they'd previously loaded with cash. This catches the attention
Speaker 2: of a curious bank security guard who's overseeing this strange
Speaker 2: behavior from the bank vault co managers. He asked them
Speaker 2: what they're doing. Jun is quick to explain that a
Speaker 2: local iron magnet is making a substantial withdrawal. This satisfies
Speaker 2: the security guard, who watches Jun and Ma empty the
Speaker 2: safety deposit boxes, read banknotes, fill several bags. The security
Speaker 2: guard grows bored and writers off. Once he's gone, Jun
Speaker 2: and Ma stashed some of the bags of money in
Speaker 2: a hallway outside the vault. Then Jun and Ma walk
Speaker 2: back into the customer service area of the bank and
Speaker 2: call over the three lottery vendors. They escort the three
Speaker 2: men over to a bank terminal where they wire funds
Speaker 2: into their account for the mass of lottery tickets they
Speaker 2: wish to buy. Once business is done, the three lottery
Speaker 2: vendors leave and they drive off, headed back to their
Speaker 2: shops to start printing up the zillions of lottery tickets
Speaker 2: just purchased. Meanwhile, Jun and Ma walk across the bank
Speaker 2: back to the vault area, where they grab the bags
Speaker 2: of cash and a few safety deposit boxes that have
Speaker 2: not been moved, which they then secret away and carry
Speaker 2: out the back door of the bank, where they load
Speaker 2: the stolen cash and the Jun's minivan. They close the
Speaker 2: van door step back inside the bank to finish out
Speaker 2: their day. No one suspects a robbery just happened. But
Speaker 2: as the kiss goodbye preshed against his cheek, you saw
Speaker 2: it all. Good thing you can't speak, So there you go, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: One part of their plan down now it's left is
Speaker 2: the lottery tickets. But before we get to that, let's
Speaker 2: take a little break and after these messages we will
Speaker 2: hear how the lottery bought fall for Jun and Ma.
Speaker 2: And we're back, Elizabeth, Yes we are, okay, So what's
Speaker 2: your call? Do you think Jun's latest masterplan pays off?
Speaker 2: Do he and Ma make good on their lottery dreams?
Speaker 2: But now they're really large credit line.
Speaker 3: So they're waiting for these guys to print the tickets, right.
Speaker 2: They got to get the tickets from the dudes.
Speaker 3: And so if the dudes don't print the tickets.
Speaker 2: By like eight thirty when the drawing is that night,
Speaker 2: but if.
Speaker 3: They just walk off and they don't even start printing.
Speaker 2: They're not going to do that. This is too much local,
Speaker 2: local iron magnet who they do not know. They're afraid
Speaker 2: of this really rich guy. They just lottery shop owners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: They don't want to get involved with somebody who's probably
Speaker 2: a criminal like this is. It's probably a gangster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: They're happy to have the business. This is a ton
Speaker 2: of business. They're already winning. They have nothing else.
Speaker 3: I feel like, maybe not all of the tickets get
Speaker 3: printed in time.
Speaker 2: No, I'll tell you this much. They do. Oh, they
Speaker 2: get all the chick.
Speaker 3: And they're all duds. They're all losers.
Speaker 2: No, because they're picking the mid to a bunch of
Speaker 2: random numbers. They've got to fill out all the numbers,
Speaker 2: but like they got, they come in a big spread, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So do you think that you had eighteen million wand
Speaker 2: when you're getting you know, like that's a billions of tickets?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: No, Well, at eight thirty pm the lottery balls began.
Speaker 2: They're familiar, tumble and bounce. Juhn and Ma are hoping
Speaker 2: like hell to win the Mega Grand Prize. The odds
Speaker 2: feel like they're in their favor. I mean, they've spent
Speaker 2: eighteen million wand practice on all. Right, So the two
Speaker 2: bank robbers watch the drawing, each at their own respective homes.
Speaker 2: The balls of the winning numbers are selected one by one.
Speaker 2: They've got all these tickets. Now, what do you think
Speaker 2: happens to Elizabeth last time? I'll ask, I.
Speaker 3: Think they all were loser tickets. No, turns out they win,
Speaker 3: Oh the big one.
Speaker 2: They did not win them Bega Grand.
Speaker 3: They won like twenty six hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: They won like ninety eight thousand and one. That was
Speaker 2: out of all the tickets, which is far from the
Speaker 2: thirty three million one.
Speaker 3: Very far. That's on the other side of the map.
Speaker 2: That means, in crime parlance, the jig is now up.
Speaker 2: It's time to run for their lives.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that night, the two men meet outside of a
Speaker 2: local hospital to discuss their options.
Speaker 3: I like that they went the hospital.
Speaker 2: In a parking lot outside the hospital.
Speaker 3: Just in case it goes south.
Speaker 2: You're already there. So they decided to split their winnings
Speaker 2: and what they stole from the bank earlier that day,
Speaker 2: so about three point nine million one or roughly a
Speaker 2: half million dollars in the US. It's not an even
Speaker 2: split though. Jun He gives his partner Moss six hundred
Speaker 2: thousand one or about seventy eight thousand dollars, and he says,
Speaker 2: never contact me a gun. Good luck, lose my number. Right.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you better run for the hill sun.
Speaker 2: So remember you when you had a life that's all gone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So two days later, sixteenth two thousand and seven, on
Speaker 2: a Monday, detectives arrive at the Agricultural Bank of China
Speaker 2: and Hondan City. It seems that someone has robbed the
Speaker 2: bank over the weekend, but the bank employees do not
Speaker 2: have the two keys needed to open the vault door
Speaker 2: because the two co managers do and neither came into
Speaker 2: work that day, so the police are forced to bust
Speaker 2: through the sixty centimeter or roughly two foot thick bank
Speaker 2: vault door, which they do like a real ice team.
Speaker 2: They break in that vault and inside the vault, the
Speaker 2: police find no signs of a robbery. There are no
Speaker 2: guards bound and gagged, there's no rifled through security deposits
Speaker 2: are all wrenched open, none of that. What they do
Speaker 2: find is a ton of money missing, and the only
Speaker 2: clue left behind is a bag of lottery tickets, which
Speaker 2: is just odd. I don't know if I was like, look,
Speaker 2: I'm spending the money on the lottery, how bad is this?
Speaker 2: I'm giving it back to the state. Anyway, word soon
Speaker 2: spreads about the bank robbery. In a short time. The
Speaker 2: city's cab drivers notice all this heavy police presence outside
Speaker 2: the bank, and they spread the word to a avoid
Speaker 2: the area, to each other right. Meanwhile, they also tell
Speaker 2: their passengers, which also really helped spread the word about
Speaker 2: this robbery. Suddenly, almost everybody in Hondan City knows that
Speaker 2: the bank got interesting. Meanwhile, Juhn and Ma have split up.
Speaker 2: Both men are on the run for their lives.
Speaker 3: And on the runs for their families right by themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so from their families they left their families behind.
Speaker 2: They are just like men on the lamb right now.
Speaker 2: So the two former co managers failed to show up
Speaker 2: to work on Monday morning and fail to answer multiple
Speaker 2: phone calls. Image when the bank employees grow suspicious, I
Speaker 2: think they might have been part of the ice. So
Speaker 2: the news of the bank robbery and the two suspected
Speaker 2: co managers hits state run media, newspapers, TV radio, they
Speaker 2: all carry the story. The two co managers are named
Speaker 2: Juhn and Ma are accused of stealing in total fifty
Speaker 2: one million one or roughly six point six million dollars.
Speaker 2: It's officially the biggest bank robbery in Chinese history. So
Speaker 2: now the question is where did they go?
Speaker 3: Zaren? Where did they go?
Speaker 2: Fantastic question, Elizabeth. I know. So Ma he decided I'm
Speaker 2: getting on a train, and he hit out on a
Speaker 2: sleeper train. It's like dark. Shut Ma off by himself,
Speaker 2: and he heads to Beijing.
Speaker 3: He's like, that's the capitols in the crowd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully no one notices me, you know, because it's
Speaker 2: in northern China, so it's not like terribly far away.
Speaker 2: So once there, he buys a ticket on a local
Speaker 2: bus and he heads for the country. Smart move, except
Speaker 2: it's actually a slum just outside of Beijing where he's
Speaker 2: headed because there are many unfortunate folks who've been pushed
Speaker 2: out of the city as it rapidly builds an anticipation
Speaker 2: of two thousand and eight Olympics.
Speaker 3: Right, that happens every time there's an Olympics anywhere.
Speaker 2: Totally so ma he goes and he links up with
Speaker 2: an old army buddy. He's like on hard times living
Speaker 2: in the slums outside of Beijing. Yeah, He's like, hey,
Speaker 2: can I lay low in your apartment? And the buddy's like,
Speaker 2: of course, man lets him like hang out, So he's good.
Speaker 2: He's laying low. Yeah, got a guy he trusts. And
Speaker 2: now where Jun? Great question, Elizabeth right now on top
Speaker 2: of this, I love it. So after they split up,
Speaker 2: Jun fleece. He uses his mini van, the family minivan,
Speaker 2: to a Cape Hondan city, which is smart since the
Speaker 2: police put out a tip line for info that might
Speaker 2: lead to his arrest. That first day that Monday, the
Speaker 2: police received over ten thousand tip calls.
Speaker 3: It's a lot to process.
Speaker 2: Can't all be no, No, the MANI were not good,
Speaker 2: So they were inundated with like that's my neighbor, you know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so at this point show it is smart. He ditches
Speaker 2: his minivan. He rents a Volkswagen Jetta to make his
Speaker 2: escape further. He has three point three million one on him,
Speaker 2: a fake ID, a burner phone. He stays away from
Speaker 2: major highways and roads because Chinese got all those surveillance cameras,
Speaker 2: so he sticks to back roads. He's using like the
Speaker 2: going the slow route, right.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: He finally reaches the city of Dujo, and he ditches
Speaker 2: the Jetta. He hires a taxi driver to take him
Speaker 2: to another town, a place called Rijao. It's close to
Speaker 2: the port city of ching Dao, right, So he spends
Speaker 2: the night there, lays low. In the morning, he hires
Speaker 2: a second taxi driver to take him to this small
Speaker 2: coastal city where you can like really like yeah. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: he's so nervous about getting recognized or popped. He can't eat,
Speaker 2: he can't sleep. He looks haired. Yeah he's got he's
Speaker 2: got that flop sweat that smells like fear. So he's
Speaker 2: just operating off of instinct and like the dictates of
Speaker 2: like the survival mechanism at this play, right, But he
Speaker 2: does though, is have this driver stop a couple times?
Speaker 2: Why does he need water? Does he need food?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: He wants to buy lottery tickets. No, he just can't
Speaker 2: can't stop. Should later explained my hand was itching to
Speaker 2: buy more. He did not win a big payoff, wondering,
Speaker 2: No I had.
Speaker 3: I had no expectation he would.
Speaker 2: On April sixteenth, that same Monday, the detectives, as I said,
Speaker 2: they discovered the banksman robbed. The news has gone out
Speaker 2: now it's spreading across China. So now Jun Chiao fun
Speaker 2: walks into a Honda dealership looking to buy a car. Ok.
Speaker 2: But he's there with his taxi driver and the dealership
Speaker 2: is about to open, so it's like five to eight
Speaker 2: in the morning. The news has not made it to
Speaker 2: this small coastal city. So Jun Hell's a sales manager.
Speaker 2: He wants to buy a car about two hundred thousand
Speaker 2: and one. He's interested in, like a black Honda, that
Speaker 2: one with the sun roof. He wants to drive it
Speaker 2: off the lot today. The sales managers like okay, So
Speaker 2: she tries to take the measure of the man by
Speaker 2: asking are you in town for business or pleasure? And
Speaker 2: she gives an answer slim on details, right, he asks
Speaker 2: how much for the black Honda? All right? Batically, Instead
Speaker 2: of him being hard sold or them heart selling him,
Speaker 2: he's hard buying from the sales manager. What's it going
Speaker 2: to take for me to walk out of here in
Speaker 2: his car today? So the salesmanager dress cash or credit,
Speaker 2: so Jen's quick to say good cash. So this taxi
Speaker 2: driver steps over like he's now his henchman, and he
Speaker 2: holds up a duffel bag of cash, never suspicious in
Speaker 2: a car lot.
Speaker 3: And like, what was the conversation in the taxi? Like
Speaker 3: so close?
Speaker 2: Well, he's just basically paying him. So the guy's like,
Speaker 2: now he's like henchman. He doesn't know for what did
Speaker 2: he know? This guy's really rich and he's down to
Speaker 2: work for this really rich game.
Speaker 3: I would imagine syncratic, like he's hiring a random cab driver.
Speaker 2: I had a friend who was a cab driver and
Speaker 2: he once got picked up by a guy and the
Speaker 2: guy paid him to drive from northern California down to
Speaker 2: LA and then paid him enough to be able to
Speaker 2: get back. So and it was it was not weird
Speaker 2: at all. He had people do that to him to
Speaker 2: take him to reno, which is like, you know, a
Speaker 2: two hour drive, like some people will do that and
Speaker 2: cab drivers. It happened, so it is probably not the
Speaker 2: first time he had somebody be like, look, I want
Speaker 2: you to hold my bag of money. Well, I go
Speaker 2: buy a card exactly, So they go and up. Keep
Speaker 2: in mind, in the double bag of cash, it's bound
Speaker 2: stamped stacks of red cash like the official Yeah, clearly
Speaker 2: fresh from a bank. Yeah right, so, which makes him
Speaker 2: look rich, you know, because who else is taking money
Speaker 2: out of a bank if you're a decent minded So
Speaker 2: the salesmanager tells him he'll need to deposit that money
Speaker 2: in a bank and have the bank draft up a
Speaker 2: cashiers check for the car. And John is not excited
Speaker 2: about the prospect of stepping foot inside him a bank.
Speaker 2: The salesmanders happily tells him, you know what, we have
Speaker 2: a branch of the Agricultural Bank of China. It's not
Speaker 2: far from the dealership, but just a small, little delicious irony.
Speaker 2: So Jehn pays off his taxi driver with a few
Speaker 2: stacks of cash because he pays them well. Then he
Speaker 2: hands over the duffel bag to the sales managers. He's like,
Speaker 2: can I put this in your office for safe keeping?
Speaker 2: And then they take the money for the car and
Speaker 2: they go to the bank. So Jehan and the sales
Speaker 2: manager drive over to the bank. They get the cashiers check.
Speaker 2: Along the way, jun asked the sales manager, how's the
Speaker 2: police presence in the city.
Speaker 3: No, that's not suspicious.
Speaker 2: So the sales manager bragged it, it's very good. And
Speaker 2: she suspects it. He must be asking since he's clearly
Speaker 2: a big time property investor. There's so many of them
Speaker 2: these days, just buying up property as fast as they can.
Speaker 3: He looks like, you know, it's basically the sales manager
Speaker 3: doesn't have enough negative imagination.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. So at the bank, Juhn keeps
Speaker 2: his head down while the sales manager fills out all
Speaker 2: the paperwork for the cashiers check and then the final
Speaker 2: car sale, and then he starts rushing her. He's like,
Speaker 2: come on, come on, come on, and he says like,
Speaker 2: I'm hungry. I haven't had breakfast yet. She tells him, no,
Speaker 2: chill out, chill out. I will buy you my honored
Speaker 2: customer breakfasts as soon as we're done here at the bank, right,
Speaker 2: And then this odd little moment occurs because Jun is
Speaker 2: asked to count and confirm the money he's depositing in
Speaker 2: the bank for his cashiers check so out to habit,
Speaker 2: he does what he does best. His fingers start flying
Speaker 2: across the money. Those old, competition worthy fingers are counting
Speaker 2: money faster than most eyes can keep up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, So the sales manager, the bank teller, and almost
Speaker 2: anyone else who can see the performance is impressed with
Speaker 2: the speed of Jun's fingers. A crowd gathers around to
Speaker 2: watch him count out the two hundred and ten thousand
Speaker 2: one in record speed. Yes, and there's a little small
Speaker 2: irony floating atop this whole scene. There's a reward for
Speaker 2: any information leading to his arrest, and the amount is
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand wan so exactly how much almost exactly
Speaker 2: how much he's counting is yeah, how much they would
Speaker 2: make if they just called a cop.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we're still on Monday morning, early, you know, so
Speaker 2: the news has not made it to this coastal city.
Speaker 2: It's mostly just in Hondana and permeating out.
Speaker 3: But he said a branch of the bank that he robbed.
Speaker 2: No, yes, a branch of the bank, right, Yes, exactly perfect.
Speaker 2: So then they head back to the car showroom. The
Speaker 2: sales manager hands the keys over to John, proud of
Speaker 2: the quick and easy sale. She watches him drive off.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, enjoy your car. And she even says
Speaker 2: to this fellow salesperson like, you know, imagine like a
Speaker 2: big smile. She's like, that guy has enough money on
Speaker 2: him for a Mercedes Been. He's got to be a fugitive.
Speaker 2: She has no idea how right she is? Right? Oh
Speaker 2: my no, Jun drives out of town. He stops in
Speaker 2: a suburb where he rents a garage for his new car. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that also gives him a place to lay low for
Speaker 2: at least a few hours, right, sure, maybe get a
Speaker 2: little sleep, drink a little water.
Speaker 3: He needs it at this point.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, does he. Now by this point word
Speaker 2: has spread about the robberies. I said, he keeps getting
Speaker 2: further and further at this point. Now it's on the media.
Speaker 2: It's Monday, like ten eleven am. It's really getting out there. Now.
Speaker 2: The news is doing it. And so the police in
Speaker 2: this little town which is called lee enn Wingong, they're
Speaker 2: on the lookout for a man matching his description. They've
Speaker 2: been everybody now knows, beyond the word the biggest robbery
Speaker 2: in Chinese history, it's these two guys, right and then,
Speaker 2: So at this point, it's going to be difficult for
Speaker 2: him to drive his new car out of town without
Speaker 2: catching some police attention or at least maybe some like
Speaker 2: you know, paint in the neck bystander pointing at him
Speaker 2: from a bus stop. Right, So he comes up with
Speaker 2: a new plan. He decides, you know what, I need
Speaker 2: to get rid of this car. So he drives it
Speaker 2: back to the same haunted dealership and he asks to
Speaker 2: return the car. He's like, I don't need this thing anymore.
Speaker 3: His plans are always so good. I mean they've worked
Speaker 3: every single time he.
Speaker 2: Has for his two hundred thousand and one back. I think, sneakily,
Speaker 2: he just wants to see the sales manager again, probably
Speaker 2: because he has three point three million wand he does
Speaker 2: not need the two hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, since the news is now, as they said, beginning
Speaker 2: to spread, if that same sales manager had happened to
Speaker 2: catch the TV news while he was gone, she would
Speaker 2: have seen pictures of him on the news. And then,
Speaker 2: you know, being a gambler at heart, shunned, he just
Speaker 2: chances it. Drives back to the car dealership. He speaks
Speaker 2: with the same sales manager. Lucky for him, she had
Speaker 2: not seen the TV news, nor had any one else
Speaker 2: in the showroom, So the sales manager does still have
Speaker 2: some bad news for him. Yeah, they don't accept returns
Speaker 2: of a car once it's been sold. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: permitted by sales regulations or whatever. So Jehen tries to
Speaker 2: bribe her.
Speaker 3: Oh hey, sure, battle works.
Speaker 2: That's great, right, just constant better plan on top of
Speaker 2: the better plan. So he offers her five thousand and
Speaker 2: one to take the car back. She politely turns him down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he ups it, he doubles it. He offers her ten
Speaker 2: thousand and one, and she's like nah, She's polite about
Speaker 2: it and refuses again. And this is why I think
Speaker 2: he had a little crush on her, because he's like, well,
Speaker 2: do you want to go to dinner?
Speaker 3: How about that bribe? Let me sweetly forget the cat again.
Speaker 2: She politely declines, So Juen goes and he eats dinner
Speaker 2: alone that night on the side of the road in
Speaker 2: his new Honda, just him and a bowl of takeout
Speaker 2: noodles with the sunroof open. I hope yeah, since the
Speaker 2: sales manager told him about the police presence in leanne
Speaker 2: win Gong, being top notched, decides maybe it's a good
Speaker 2: idea to lay low in the city and not move
Speaker 2: around too much. So once things cool down, he can
Speaker 2: send for his wife and they're Dragon and Phoenix, twin
Speaker 2: boy and girl. They can, you know, play house down there,
Speaker 2: so maybe he can grow a beard and who knows,
Speaker 2: So he rents a place fit for a family, a
Speaker 2: three bedroom apartment in leanne win Gong. Again, this is
Speaker 2: why I think he had a crush on that sales
Speaker 2: manager at the Fonda, because he goes back a third time.
Speaker 3: No, this time he.
Speaker 2: Tries to return the car. Only this time he's like, yo, okay,
Speaker 2: I understand you can't take it back, but can you
Speaker 2: sell the car for me? And I don't know if
Speaker 2: she's like, I just want to get rid of this guy.
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, sure, just just leave the car, so
Speaker 2: she agrees she'll sell the car and consignment. He leaves
Speaker 2: the car at the showroom and he heads out to
Speaker 2: like the beach because remember it's the coastal city. He
Speaker 2: plans to relax, kick his feet up in the sand
Speaker 2: hill out what bank robber would be at the beach
Speaker 2: right exactly. So after his day at the beach, Shun
Speaker 2: goes back to his rented apartment and then he's like
Speaker 2: feeling lonely, I guess about his life and his choice.
Speaker 2: He stares at a photograph of his two kids and
Speaker 2: is like, oh, what if I done. Meanwhile, the news,
Speaker 2: as they said, the bank robbery is fully broken, So
Speaker 2: now it's they've don a whole day of people watching
Speaker 2: the news and hearing about it all across China, and
Speaker 2: the police and Leanne Wing Gong. They start to receive
Speaker 2: tips from folks who were certain that they saw somebody
Speaker 2: who looks like Jun Chiao fung ye in their city.
Speaker 2: Reward posters go up. The police receive a tip that
Speaker 2: seems super credible. It's from a sales manager at a
Speaker 2: Honda dealership. She calls the cops, now fairly certain she's
Speaker 2: had sold that bank robber a new car earlier in
Speaker 2: the time. Her story commences the local police she's the
Speaker 2: credible witness. Roadblocks go up, they shut the city down,
Speaker 2: dragnets put in place. Officers check the local hotels, motels,
Speaker 2: internet cafes, Meanwhile, Jun stays inside land low watching TV,
Speaker 2: not going out. He's watching the latest news, of course,
Speaker 2: and that's how he learns that his co manager Mashin
Speaker 2: Jong has been arrested busted in Beijing. No, so Jun
Speaker 2: watches his accomplice get purp walked by the police, and
Speaker 2: he prays like hell that his good fortune can hold
Speaker 2: out because he seems a little while longer something to work,
Speaker 2: because it's not like Ma knows where he is, he
Speaker 2: can give his name, they already know his name. There's
Speaker 2: nothing he can really do to help him out. His
Speaker 2: accomplice can only tell the police so much. So, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: his good luck did hold out for a little while longer,
Speaker 2: like about thirty hours longer, because roughly thirty hours after
Speaker 2: he watches Ma get purp walked, the police and Leanne
Speaker 2: Win Gong are at his door. But they don't thirty
Speaker 2: hours yeah, thirty hours later, right, it's like a day
Speaker 2: in a couple of hours.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It turns out both the sales manager and his taxi
Speaker 2: driver called in tips to the police, and unfortunately, so
Speaker 2: did his new landlord.
Speaker 3: He didn't engender a lot of loyalty.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. You can't buy that. No, she
Speaker 2: told police that her new tenant looked a lot like
Speaker 2: the bank robber she's seen on the news. So after
Speaker 2: these three tips, the police set up a sting operation.
Speaker 2: The wait through the night outside his rental three bedroom apartment,
Speaker 2: and then the next morning at around eight twenty am.
Speaker 2: Because unlike the FBI, they don't just kick in the
Speaker 2: door wave in the four four right, they just wait
Speaker 2: outside and when so.
Speaker 3: A decent hour, two totally, not a five am, No,
Speaker 3: not at all.
Speaker 2: But eight twenty am. Joan steps outside, stretches his arm
Speaker 2: and as soon as he does, a cop grabs him,
Speaker 2: lifts him off his feet by his neck, throws him
Speaker 2: to the ground. What and the cop barks at him,
Speaker 2: are you shun fung? And then the showing stammers yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm cooperating.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's only going to get worse from
Speaker 3: there for him.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's promptly arrested, thrown in the back of a
Speaker 2: police car. The manhunt is over. Everyone's excited. He's taken
Speaker 2: to the station for an eight hour investigation interrogation. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if brutality was involved, but I imagine
Speaker 2: he got a little roughed up. Yeah. Apparently, when he's
Speaker 2: asked about his family, he's very little to say. But
Speaker 2: when the police bring up the lottery, suddenly Jon's eyes
Speaker 2: light up. Oh no, He regales the cops with all
Speaker 2: sorts of info about the bank robbery and the lottery tickets.
Speaker 2: You played is big plan to win the Mega prize
Speaker 2: Like he's just all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: Geeks, tell us about your favorite thing, exactly your thirt
Speaker 3: the lottery.
Speaker 2: Later on, he's allowed to speak with the press. Finally,
Speaker 2: Jean tells our reporter, I really regret that I've been
Speaker 2: so stupid in doing such a dumb thing. We were
Speaker 2: going to pay the bank back. We never intended to
Speaker 2: rob the bank. Bro You robbed it so many times
Speaker 2: that it's pond rob So that Elizabeth is where we
Speaker 2: will pick up the needle on this record, because, as
Speaker 2: I said earlier, in China, they don't play about corruption.
Speaker 2: And old Jehan and his partner Ma received sentences that
Speaker 2: were harsher than a life in prison. They receive sentences
Speaker 2: that are more like no life in or outside of prison.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it seems the state wanted to make an
Speaker 2: example of them that way, in case anyone else got
Speaker 2: anse similar big ideas. They quashed that down real quick.
Speaker 2: So Elizabeth, what's a ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, don't gamble, you know. And it's like we
Speaker 3: keep upping the ante with this. You have casinos and
Speaker 3: lotteries and then you reference DraftKings like every every sport
Speaker 3: is just solid gambling stuff now, and then you put
Speaker 3: polymarket and Calci in there, and you can bet on
Speaker 3: absolutely anything. And it's so destructive, oh terribly, so destructive.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I know there are people out there
Speaker 3: who have fun with it and they like to gamble
Speaker 3: and have a good time, but you know, goodness gracious,
Speaker 3: it destroys people eating things.
Speaker 2: There's reasons why we have so many stories of don't
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 3: It hits that part in your brain. It's like, oh
Speaker 3: maybe just a little bit, maybe just.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, it works your pleasure center into
Speaker 2: a froth and then it obliterates your ability to have
Speaker 2: a good like chain of thoughts. Yeah, you're like, see,
Speaker 2: I just if I get this one. You see the
Speaker 2: kid there's a college football quarterback who just got basically
Speaker 2: put into rehab for gambling because he was making like
Speaker 2: thousands of bets, sometimes like hundreds in a day, but
Speaker 2: probably more than that crazy and he was like a star.
Speaker 2: I mean he's like going to be like who's NFL
Speaker 2: like on the track? Yeah, so what's ridiculous? Thank you
Speaker 2: for asking.
Speaker 3: Very welcome, is uh?
Speaker 2: I love this is what as I said, one of
Speaker 2: our first stories, our first story to take place in China.
Speaker 2: I love how relatable this is, Like you just could
Speaker 2: have been anywhere. Just shows that like cultures, yes, are
Speaker 2: very different around the world, people are not very different.
Speaker 3: Around the world exactly.
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