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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't stories of things we simply don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to. Hi. There, Welcome again to another

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Speaker 1: episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Joe, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Devon and Steve. So you guys ready to tackle

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Speaker 1: a really groovy mystery? Just one? Yeah, actually three? And

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Speaker 1: actually these aren't entirely mysteries. One. The theme of this

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Speaker 1: week's episode is places you don't want to go, and

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, I don't want to go to any

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Speaker 1: of these. Yeah, they're scary places. I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to go to mine because you're we Well, okay, I

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Speaker 1: can see why you'd want to go down, but you're

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Speaker 1: still weird, that's true. I am no, Actually I do

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Speaker 1: want to go to your place. Oh you do, not

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Speaker 1: your house, but yeah, that's there. I don't really want

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Speaker 1: just start talking about these unpleasant, scary places. My vote

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Speaker 1: for the place to stay away from is in a

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Speaker 1: Hottie Valley, which is in the Northwest Territories in Canada,

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Speaker 1: that is the northern part of Canada. It's just um

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Speaker 1: It's way up there. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard estimates as

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Speaker 1: many as forty four people have known to either disappear

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know, it is way up in Canada. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's bears and some people, so well, I mean, well

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Speaker 1: When the first European trappers and gold miners began to

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Speaker 1: get into the area around the valley, they talked to

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Speaker 1: there because it was inhabited by evil spirits. They also

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Speaker 1: thought that it was home to spirit creatures known as

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Speaker 1: the Wahila, which is supposed to be kind of half

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Speaker 1: They also thought that the natives actually thought the Wahila

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty handy handy little power. Yeah, yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: I wish I had it. Uh. The locals also had

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Speaker 1: stories about a tribe called the Naha. They were this

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Speaker 1: and they would come pouring out of the mountains occasionally

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Speaker 1: on slave rating parties on the low landers. And yet somehow,

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Speaker 1: right about the time white people arrived here a little before,

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, and I know we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into some of that, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: reasons why people would disappear. But it's just weird that

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Speaker 1: it it precludes the appearance of the white man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just like Rono colony man, Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, it's this is either a huge historical mystery

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure where. So it's possible that they didn't

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Speaker 1: and so that's when the troubles began. That's always when

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Speaker 1: the trouble began. You saw Treasure of the Sierra Madre

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Speaker 1: written by B Traven. Yeah, totally saw. Also, we just

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Speaker 1: don't even know how they really identified the brothers. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that the nickname of Headless Valley, or also the Valley

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Speaker 1: the Highlanders are going. It could be quickening the Yukon. Sure, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: see there were other mysterious desks that didn't involve to

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Speaker 1: named John O'Brien was found sitting this camp frozen solid,

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Speaker 1: be some sort of mad trapper or murderous hermit running

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Speaker 1: So maybe they didn't actually completely disappear. They're just hiding

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Speaker 1: it was written as two Indian or it was an

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Speaker 1: your way out, travel between the two. But that's exactly

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Speaker 1: what it made me think of, is that they're going

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Speaker 1: when you're like, Devon's too young to know this totally

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Speaker 1: nerdy reference that totally knows about you. Do. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: They're the ones who, like you, lived outside the valley

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Speaker 1: a theory that it was the New luck, the new Cluck. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: should definitely creep yourself out by googling Chucai and uh

424
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: quote forest bodies. Hopefully I don't need to add this disclaimer,

425
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: but some of those images are pretty disturbing, or could

426
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: be disturbing. I don't know why. Maybe it's because we've

427
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: been doing this podcast for so long, but dead bodies

428
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: don't really creep me out. This. This is right up

429
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: there with body farms. And then have you ever looked

430
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: at images from body farms, the ones where they just

431
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: leave them laying out in the brush to figure out

432
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: what happens? This was very much in line with the

433
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: imagery I've seen from that, and I think it's the

434
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: same thing. We've looked at it enough. Yeah, I will

435
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: say I'll show you a picture later on in one

436
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: body that really will creep you out. Okay, The forest

437
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: is really really lush, really, it's really if you don't

438
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: know what's going on in this forest, it's really beautiful

439
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: if you just look at pictures of the Jucai. It's

440
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: it's just kind of breathtaking. It is genuinely if you

441
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: saw Spirited Away or Um Princess Mononoke, it looks like

442
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: the forests from those movies. It really really does. So

443
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: because of the lushness of this forest, bodies are very

444
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: often missed less these days because people have started um.

445
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 1: People who are hesitant to kill themselves will take trail

446
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: tape with them, you know that, like nylon trail tape

447
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: that you see tied around tree branches. Sometimes they'll take

448
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: that and they'll tie one in around a tree and

449
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: they'll just like flow it behind them in a straight

450
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: line instead of yeah, so they won't get lost. So

451
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: often that leads to something it's it is. I know

452
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell talk about this, but it's really easy

453
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: to get lost in this Well, it's really easy. Yeah,

454
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: it's super super easy. The and the most common way

455
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: that people kill themselves is they either the first most

456
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: common is hanging and the second most common is taking

457
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: sleeping pills. But is that is there any do you know,

458
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: is there a male female ratio there? I almost imagine

459
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: that men would be more likely to hang themselves than women. Um,

460
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: from what I've heard, it's not so much a male

461
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: female ratio, it's a determined and not determined ratio. So

462
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: the people who are determined will not mark their trail

463
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: in and they hang themselves. So hanging bodies or nooses

464
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: with skeletons underneath are often found years and years and

465
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: years later because there's no trail mark versus the fresher

466
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: bodies that they find are often marked by a trail,

467
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: and they're not hung. They've taken sleeping pills, and then

468
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: it takes them a while to die from exposure because

469
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: they're too weak from taking the sleeping bills. That doesn't

470
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: kill them, but they're two weeks it can, but it

471
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: turns out that the people often it doesn't. People don't

472
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: take quite enough in this forest. People tend to overestimate.

473
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: It's probably the fault of movies. How many pills it

474
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: takes to actually make that. And they actually have This

475
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: is really really creepy, but they have suicide manuals that

476
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: they come out with in Japan that they'll find on

477
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: a lot of these bodies that tells people how to

478
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: kill themselves in in the Chucai. Yeah, it's really it's

479
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: really creepy. Yeah, and it says either hang yourself or

480
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: take sleeping pills. Yeah. Okay, alright, I was gonna make

481
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: some joke about, you know, killing your leadership, but never mind.

482
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: And some I guess the third most common way to

483
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: die in the forest is just by basic exhaustion, dehydration,

484
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: or malnourishment. This is due to something we're gonna talk

485
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: about in a minute. That's called ubats but it's a

486
00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: traditional practice in Japan. Aditional I hesitates called traditional, but

487
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: it is. I have a number of Japanese friends, and

488
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: when I was talking to them about this story, I

489
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: mentioned and they said, oh, does that happen there? Like,

490
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: that's a thing that happens a lot. So you're looking

491
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: at me, you know where we're going, like I do.

492
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: But apparently the people of Japan, at least the people

493
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: that I know from Japan, believe that this is a

494
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: thing that legitimately happens. So alright, we'll leave it at

495
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: that for a minute. Okay, it's not happening anymore though, right, Well,

496
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's hard so I'm assuming besides bodies, because the

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: story has got enough traction, there's other stuff that's being

498
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: found there's lots of other stuff, and visitors do describe

499
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: the forest as being unnaturally silent, as if all life

500
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: has abandoned the forest intentionally. I've watched some videos of

501
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 1: people walking through and you can hear birds and things

502
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: like that, but it is really muffled, kind of as

503
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: you know when you have have the first snow, at

504
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: least in Portland. I know places that get a lot

505
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: of snow don't have this as much because the plows

506
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: are out immediately, but it gets really quiet and muffled.

507
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: And that's the truth of this forest as well. And

508
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: a lot of people do leave stuff behind. Like you said,

509
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: there's ice and snow a lot of the time in

510
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: the forest, and I don't know why people would leave

511
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff behind, Like shoes of all

512
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: sizes get left behind, including children's shoes, and it's not

513
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: like that kid dropped his shoe, better leave it. Pairs

514
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: of shoes lined up, which is weird. There's people leave

515
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: packs of photos, children's toys. There's a really interesting I

516
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys got to watch the Vice

517
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: video that I posted for the links. It's really really interesting.

518
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: They follow Japanese geologist who's part of the suicide patrols

519
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: that go out there that I don't think I've mentioned yet,

520
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: but I'm going to mention and he kind of explains things.

521
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: But they find this stuffed animal that's kind of a

522
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: humanoid figure that's been nailed upside down to a tree

523
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: and kind of like cut open, and then there was

524
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: a curse that was nailed into the inside of him.

525
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: They find that while they're wandering around, so you kind

526
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: of have the sense that that's the sort of thing

527
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: that's around a lot. This is kind of like getting

528
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: into Blair which territory a little. Yeah, there are a

529
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: couple of theories about why people go here to kill themselves,

530
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: why it's so popular, and ubats plays a role in it.

531
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: Ubot s is it literally translates to the leaving of

532
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: an old woman, and it's this rumored Japanese tradition, although

533
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: tradition I don't think it's the right word. Practice, I

534
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: guess of leaving a family member who's very old or

535
00:29:54,120 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: ill in a place to die. Basically, it's it's somebody

536
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: is a burden on the family. You take them out

537
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: into a forest or some other deserted area and leave

538
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: them to die. So that they are no longer burdened

539
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: to you nice as I said, there's there's not a

540
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: whole as far as I can tell, this is not

541
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: a thing that actually ever happened. You know, in Japanese culture.

542
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: Isn't the only place that I've heard of this kind

543
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: of thing. Other cultures talk about taking the old out

544
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: or the old wandering away when they decide that they

545
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: become a bird. Yeah, that's that's kind of back in

546
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: the way back days, like when you're we were living

547
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: in the Stone Age and the way back in the

548
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: way back. Yeah. There, And there's a larger conversation to

549
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: be had here about the traditional treatment of seniors in

550
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: Japan and the fact that Japanese seniors have the higher

551
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: much higher rate of suicide than seniors in the rest

552
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: of the world or the average rate of suicide in

553
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: the rest of the world. But we're not going to

554
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: dive into that so much. Yeah, they haven't kept stats

555
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: on the age of the people what they find having

556
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: their bodies out here, right, No, they ever really kept

557
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: stats other than numbers for the most part, it sounds

558
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: like but even though I'm not totally willing to say

559
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: that you bots is a real thing. Let's assume it is,

560
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: and we can say that because it is vengeful spirits

561
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: from the family members who have been left behind haunt

562
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: the Jucai and call people in. That's a good theory, right. Alternately,

563
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: vengeful spirits from samurai who killed themselves in feudal times.

564
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Did they all go to the forest to kill themselves?

565
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so, but that's a theory.

566
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: It's smacks of so many bad Hollywood movies where there's

567
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: the house or the woods that are filled with evil

568
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: spirits that draw people in. I mean, it makes me

569
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: think of The Evil Dead with Bruce Campbell. Yeah, the houses,

570
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: it draws them in. It does crazy stuff that's completely believable.

571
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Next theory that has the exact same smack to it

572
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: is the urry, which are demon ghosts. Also maybe the

573
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Buddhist monk, which is a demon ghost. Will There have

574
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: been reports of people seeing a Buddhist monk wandering the

575
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: forest uh and some people claimed to have even spoken

576
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: with him. He asks people wandering the forest why they're there,

577
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: and he tells them how to get out of the forest.

578
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: He gives them, you know, there's the trail around Basically yeah.

579
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: If they say, oh, my gosh, you're right, I don't

580
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: want to kill myself, I don't think oh yeah, actually

581
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: I guess I did mention that there's a core of

582
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: volunteers that goes out to try and find people who

583
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: haven't yet committed suicide. Know you talk about the people

584
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: who go out and look for the bodies. Oh, they

585
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: are also trying to find people who are out there

586
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: who might be about to commit suicide and try to

587
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: talk them out of it, not in like, oh you

588
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: have so much to live for blah blah blah. This

589
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: is another thing you get to see in that Vice

590
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: video because the gentleman that they're following is part of

591
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: this core, and they do find somebody and he just

592
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: kind of sits there and talks to him for a

593
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. He says, what are you doing out here?

594
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: You know you can't you're not allowed to camp out here. Okay,

595
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Well do you have food and water? Okay? Well I

596
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: just want you to think really hard about what's going on.

597
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: It was really nice to meet you, okay, you know

598
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: by basically, uh, you know, it's not like you have

599
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: so much to live for and don't kill yourself. And

600
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. It's more of a let's

601
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: have an honest human interaction with each other and hopefully

602
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: that will discourage you from doing whatever you were thinking

603
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: about doing, the cluttering up our forests with corpses. Anyways,

604
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: the reason that I bring this up is it turns

605
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: out one of the people that's very active in this

606
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: is a man by the name of Chaozin Yamashita, who

607
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: is a Jodo Shinshoo priest. It's a sect of Buddhism,

608
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: and Yamashita juice Shaku, is one of those monks, and

609
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: he does dress in the traditional robes, not the it's

610
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: not the bright orange robes familiar. Yeah, they're dark robes,

611
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: but they are traditional. You can kind of you could

612
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: go out and google it if you want. They are

613
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: they're kind of big, dark, flowing robes. So I think

614
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: it's pretty possible that people are freaked out in the

615
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: middle of the forest and have a real encounter and

616
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: go back and talk to their friends and they say, yeah,

617
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: I talked to a monk in the middle of the forest,

618
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: and people are like, you're crazy, that's not a real thing.

619
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: You probably saw a go I can very easily see

620
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: that in a forest where it's super weird and creepy

621
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: and you're on your own or such, the two of you,

622
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: and suddenly a monk, which is not something I think

623
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: you would normally expect to run across in the forest,

624
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: suddenly shows up. Yeah. Yeah, strange. Yes. Next up is

625
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: the q Roi Jucai book, which is by s Cho

626
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Matsu Moto, who's a very famous Japanese novelist. He's written

627
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: just an absurd amount of novels and books and poems

628
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: and things like that. He's very, very famous. But he

629
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: wrote this book. I came out in I think it

630
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: was nineteen sixties. Some things I read said nineteen sixty two.

631
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: It's not in print and English, and despite my clearly

632
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: flawless Japanese product pronunciation, I do not actually read kanji

633
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: or katakana, and that's the only way that you can

634
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: get information about this book. I did find a Wikipedia

635
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: page on this book, and it was in Japanese, and

636
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: I said, hey, Chrome, translate this page into English, and

637
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: I literally could not make the English words that appeared

638
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: on the page makes sense to my American brain. There

639
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: were some very very interesting things that happened, and I

640
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: was I know I mentioned to you guys. I was

641
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: talking to one of my Japanese friends, and I said,

642
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: can you just read the synopsis and tell me what

643
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: this book is about? And she kind of looked at

644
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: it for a minute and said, uh no, so Ese.

645
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: She read in Japanese and I there are two different

646
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: ways that it could that this book could be. And

647
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: it's also possible that it's like just a there are

648
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: a lot of Japanese concepts that don't translate very well

649
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: into English, so it's possible that she just was like,

650
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm tired of you asking me things about Japan, so

651
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: stop and uh, I don't really want to try and

652
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 1: explain this to you. But as far as I can tell,

653
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: this book is either about a woman who kills herself

654
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: in the forest because of kind of a star cross

655
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: to lover forbidden love situation, or about a woman whose

656
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: sister dies in a bus accident and she like won't

657
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: leave her sister and then she tries to take over

658
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: her sister's job. Or maybe there's like an evil spirit

659
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: that possesses the sister. It's hard to tell. If you

660
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: want to run this experiment, please be my guests, go

661
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: out in your English speaking brain and find the Wikipedia

662
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: page and try and Google translate it and and then

663
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: if you can figure out what it means, tell me please.

664
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: But apparently it was a very very popular book in Japan.

665
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: Many people read it and thought, hey, that's a cool

666
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: place to kill myself. Yea, at some point at the end,

667
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: she commits suicide and in the forest, yeah, as far

668
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: as I can tell, in that particular forest, in the Jucaia,

669
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: as far as I can. And then my final theory

670
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: is that it could just be a really pretty place.

671
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: And I died Sena to go kill yourself. It's really beautiful,

672
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: it's really quiet. There's a lot of really secluded spaces.

673
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: You don't have to look at anybody. Somebody's not going

674
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: to stumble upon you and a campsite or something. Yeah,

675
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: and it also, you know, not to be macab or anything.

676
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: But it saves your family and friends from having to

677
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: find you. It's a pretty much guaranteed that your family

678
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: and friends aren't going to be the ones who stumble

679
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: upon your body in the middle of this forest. Somebody

680
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: else is going to, and they're going to if you're

681
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: still recognizable, they will tell your family, what happened to you,

682
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and where it happened. I I have never really contemplated suicide,

683
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: but I can see where the draw could come from that. Well,

684
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: but of course you know that, and I think that

685
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: the people who are in that situation don't think of

686
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: his exact opposite side of that, which is your unrecognizable,

687
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: you cannot be identified, which means your loved ones then

688
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: live on forever wondering what happened to you. It's always

689
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: the other side of the coin. Yeah, they I'm sure

690
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: they leave a note behind, say I'm going to go

691
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: off myself. Oh maybe for their family before they had

692
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: that strike out for the forest. Well, I have another

693
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: theory is that these are suicidal people and they go

694
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: out to the forest to do it because they're animal evers.

695
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: They figure, I'll not only kill myself, but I'll leave

696
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: a nice, a little tasty meal for all the animals.

697
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of like an air funeral. Yeah, you know

698
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: in that Vice video, not to like refer too much

699
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: to it. This is the third time. Now, sorry, Hey

700
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: what about the Vice video? Yeah? No, but the the

701
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: guy that they're following, you know, he says they find

702
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: this little area where there's a bunch of flowers in

703
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: a box of chocolates, and he says, oh, it must

704
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: have been the family and friends of this person who died.

705
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, I think it's a really

706
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: beautiful re minder that you're never alone. Even if you

707
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: think you're alone, you're not. So there's that. That's the

708
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: up note to remind our thoughts of this story. I

709
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: really don't know how I'm going to follow that act

710
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: because wow, it's going to be an upper you have

711
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 1: something I read it before you're started. Read a little

712
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: fun little piece of trivia regarding this, which is that

713
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: the work cruise that have to go out and get

714
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: the bodies and bring them in. They take him down

715
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: to the police station and I think there's they have

716
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: a special room just for the suicide. They put him

717
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: in there and put the body in there, and then

718
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: they have to roche embo to see who gets to

719
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: spend the night in the room with the body, because apparently, um,

720
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: it's bad mojo that to just leave the body alone,

721
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: so somebody has to stay with the body all night. Yeah,

722
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: so that one. You know, it was a pile of

723
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: bones and it's okay if it's anything otherwise rotting corpses

724
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: you to I don't know. I like from the living perspective,

725
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of an early job, but from the the

726
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: ideology of it, it's kind of sweet. You don't want

727
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: to leave this spirit alone? Yeah? I would. It's a

728
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: nice sentiment. Yeah, the sentiment is that it's good way

729
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: to put it. Can we stop talking about suicide? Please? Hey, everybody,

730
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: we're done. Let's talk about something else. I think we

731
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: lie to people. It's been a little more. It might

732
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: have been a little more. In twenty minutes, we're going

733
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: to talk about a new one. Yeah. So, Steve, do

734
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: you have an exciting terrible place for us? I I

735
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: do have a what is a beautiful but terrible place?

736
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: I know it's just like me. Yeah yeah, but for

737
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: completely different reason. Is it a terrible place? Okay, okay,

738
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: not so much A terrible place? Has a scary place? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

739
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of fear involved here. Let's let's

740
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: go ahead. Um, the place that I don't think that

741
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: these people, that any of our listeners should be going.

742
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: It's one that randomly catches on fire. Yeah, things like

743
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: a bad thing. It's kind of a bad thing. Not

744
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: the whole place doesn't catch on. No, it's not Pumpey

745
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: or anything like that. We're talking about the village of Coronia.

746
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: It's on it's on the island of Sicily, which it's

747
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: east of if you know the island at all, it's

748
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: east of Plamo and Sicily is Italy Sicily. In case

749
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: somebody didn't know that, I thought I said Italian village.

750
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: If I didn't, an Italian village. Um, it's it's a

751
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: pretty little coastal town. You know from the photos and

752
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: and everything. It's exactly what you'd picture a coastal town

753
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: on the island of Sicily. Look like it's built up

754
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: into the hills a little bit. It's really nice. I'm

755
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: showing you pictures of Griano. Yeah right, yeah, it's very picturesque.

756
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh it is. I did my usual thing. I did

757
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: a little street tour on Google. Beautiful neat little town.

758
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: It was actually really hard to drive around into Google

759
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: street View though, because it's one of those weird little

760
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: towns where it looks like the street keeps going but

761
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: the road doesn't. The street does because you can walk

762
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah. I was like, why won't you go there?

763
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 1: And by the way, there's the streets in this village

764
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: are not like what you're thinking used to thinking of

765
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: the streets. They're more kind of like alleys. They're very small,

766
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: very scared. It's a traditional village. Yeah, and lots of

767
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: like a little weird underpass and yes, all of that

768
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: good stuff. But enough talking about this beautiful little place.

769
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the story. Okay, talk about why you

770
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: should be scared to go. Yeah, you really undersold this

771
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: so far. The story begins somewhere in the beginning of

772
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: January of two thousand four, when randomly things literally started

773
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: catching on fire. Lots of things, like physical things. Okay,

774
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: here's a list of things according to the media reports.

775
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Because this is the difficulty with this one is most

776
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: of his media reports. And I did the same thing.

777
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: I was putting stuff into chrome and getting it translated,

778
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: and it makes a little rough. Here's the things that

779
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: catch on fire. There's furniture, there's electronics like TVs or

780
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: microwave stuff like that. Um or computers would have their

781
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: memories randomly wiped. That's a kind of an odd twist

782
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: on the whole electronics bit part. Cars would either can't

783
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: just be on fire or there. The glass would implode

784
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: into the car from some kind of weird heat source. Uh.

785
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: The doors, electric doors on cars, the law box, they

786
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: would go on and off, opening, closer, locking, unlocked, constantly weird.

787
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: And there's there was there's electronic gates that would randomly

788
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: open and close on their own. So you'd just be

789
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: walking up the street and then the gates of the

790
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: head would open and then closed, and then open and

791
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: then closing. He sounds like the whole town got hacked it. Yeah,

792
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: I've even seen a photo of what it looks like.

793
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: It was a water tank on a wall. So if

794
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: you imagine in the if you're from the States, you've

795
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: got your toilet tank. It's almost like that shape, that

796
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: square shape of but as a water tank with a

797
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: pipe coming down, and it looks like the whole thing

798
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: had caught fire at a water pipe looked like they

799
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: had caught on fire. It wasn't a toilet tank a

800
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: toilet No, No, it wasn't, because there were pipes running

801
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: away from it and it was kind of cropped, but

802
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the pipe took an angle in in what I saw,

803
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure it wasn't. Somebody was smoking on

804
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: the John now. Of course, at first when things are

805
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: going up, especially the electronics are catching on fire, people

806
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: started unplugging things. There are other things like appliances like

807
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: toasters and yeah, appliances that things in general that plugged in,

808
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: we're catching on fire. So people were unplugging them and

809
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: the power company would eventually cut off the electricity. That, however,

810
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: didn't stop the problem. One of the famous pictures you

811
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: see is a hair dryer hanging on the wall, the

812
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: core looped up next to it, not plugged into anything,

813
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: and the dryer on fire, which is really weird that

814
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: what did the owner of the of the hair dryer

815
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: like take a picture of it or something that somebody

816
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: had a picture of it as it was catching As

817
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: it was flames were coming out of it. Yes, it was.

818
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: It almost looked like it was they had stuck it

819
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: in the towel rack. There was no towel, but they'd

820
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: stuck it in the towel rack itself. And so you

821
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: can see the wires, you know, looped up around and

822
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: and the head of it was had flames coming out

823
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: of it. Bizarre. Yeah, that's a hell of a hair dryer.

824
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: Let's see there's oh, and there's there's other weird things

825
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: that were going on in this village. At the same time,

826
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: people were reporting seeing glowing orbs over the ocean, because

827
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: as we said, it's right on the ocean. And they

828
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: also reported that there were UFOs flying just off the coastline.

829
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: So this is a nice little addition to the Oh,

830
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: by the way, everything I own is catching on fire?

831
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: How many? How many different people reported things catching on fire.

832
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't have a clear sense. I'll say this now.

833
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't have a clear sense of how much stuff

834
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: caught on fire. I don't have a clear sense of

835
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: how long things caught on fire. Four. We're gonna talk

836
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 1: about this in a sec. But there's the time frames

837
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: in the descriptions lead me to either believe that it

838
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: was a short time frame, say like a month or years,

839
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: that this stuff kept happening. But let me, I don't

840
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: know that for sure. I believe that it's stopped, but

841
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure because the reporting is

842
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: so like even the English versions of things not to translated,

843
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: but the English versions are vague, So I'm not positive

844
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: if it's stopped. I have to imagine that for the

845
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: most part it's stopped. But well, and some of this

846
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: will be covered in theories. For the time frame thing.

847
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: The time frame about a week after of fires had happened,

848
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: they evacuated the town. And did they evacuated after about

849
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: a week or so? Yeah, it was after about a

850
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: week the well, again this depends on the accounting. Some

851
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: say it was after two or four weeks they have

852
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: they evacuated, Some say after seventeen fires. Like again, it's

853
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: never an exact number, but they evacuated the town. Government

854
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: brings in every expert that they can think of, They

855
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: run tests on things that have been burned. They start

856
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: they put up cameras all over the town to try

857
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and figure out what's going on. The odd bit to

858
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: me is that as soon as the as as big

859
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: as the government swoops in and starts doing all of this,

860
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: the fire stopped. That's nothing caught according to the government reports,

861
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: nothing caught on fire while they were there, and they

862
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what was going on. So eventually they

863
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: know the people are like, hey, I'd like to go

864
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: home please. So eventually they say, okay, well we can't

865
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: figure it out, go ahead and go home, and the fires.

866
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: At that point, this is what I got to earlier

867
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: sporadically seemed to start happening again. Weird. Here's some other

868
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: weird things that then happened after that, is water pipes

869
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: begin to leak and burst, the pipes under your sinker whatever. Um.

870
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: There's some theories on that that we can talk about

871
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: in a bit. Let's see what else we've got. There is,

872
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: Oh this Devon's I know you love. There's there's farmers

873
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: in the area who grow eggplants, and according to their reports,

874
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: all of their eggplants change colors, not the you know,

875
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: as egg plants will do. They change one color to

876
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: to another color when they're right, they all changed to

877
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: different colors. That Yeah, I was reading through the script

878
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: and I was kind of skimming. I missed this part,

879
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: and I was reading through the theories and it says

880
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: the egg plants, and I was like, what, the eggplants

881
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: are responsible for everything? Apparently Steve has lost it. But

882
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: but these eggs plants, the eggplants didn't just change to

883
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: one odd color. That changed to multiple different colors. That

884
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: is what the reporting that I've seen set. And I'm

885
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: going to put that in doubt because that seems a

886
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: bit fantastical. We'll talk about that a little bit in

887
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: the theory section. But I actually did some research on eggplants,

888
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out in the eggs action of

889
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: the grocery store aisle. Yes, let's see, we also have

890
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: there's some other weird stuff. And this again, this is

891
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: another vegetation thing. There's a local grass called the Mauritanian

892
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: grass Martinian. Yeah, and it's it's a big grass, so

893
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: not like your lawn. This is a grass that grows

894
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: eight feet high in a big Your lawn is brown

895
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: and scorched, is not tall, unlike these plants, which are

896
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: super tall. What this plant has in common with your

897
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: lawn is that it was scorched. It was the plant

898
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: at ground level showed signs of burning, but it wasn't

899
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: as if it had ever cast caught on fire. Was

900
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: more of a smoldering heat kind of look. And I

901
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: don't know how they figured this out, but I guess

902
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: somebody would start digging them up. Is the roots were

903
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: blackened as if they had been burned. That's odd, it is.

904
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: And the last thing that I'll put in here is

905
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 1: people have said that from that time or during that time,

906
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: that compasses weren't working correctly, that they were deviating from

907
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: magnetic north. You're pointing somewhere else UFO influence here, then

908
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: we are. We are laying a ton of hints for

909
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: the possible UFO theory right there. I will totally admit it. Yeah.

910
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: And another theory you're going to talk about too, Yeah, yeah,

911
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: and we we should go ahead and just jump right

912
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: into the theories. Yeah, I think so, because really that's

913
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: about all of the description that we've got for this

914
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: particular story. Theory number one, the devil did it well, Satan.

915
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: You know what we should have named this this episode

916
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: is things that nefarious spirits do. Yeah, because that just

917
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: rolls off the tongue places you don't want to go

918
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: things nefarious spirits, Okay, nefarious alright, fine, but that's been

919
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: a common thread throughout everything, and it kind of is

920
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: that bad spirits are doing this thing. Yeah. Well, okay,

921
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: this is kind of a commo. It's either the devil

922
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: or evil spirits, which is much like what we talked

923
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: about in the forest that you had. I've got to say,

924
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: the more superstitious villagers seem to fall in line with

925
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: this right away. And you know that the devil makes

926
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: tunnel sense. It comes from a really hot place. Of course,

927
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: he would catch on stuff on fire. It's his fault.

928
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: I get. I get why people would see that. Italian

929
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 1: villages are also very religious usually. I think that you know,

930
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: if the devil was up to this kind of stuff,

931
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: he'd be spreading the he'd be spreading the love a

932
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: little bit. You would think, you would think it was

933
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: a very big concentration of centers in the city. Devil.

934
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: The devil is pro center. He would go, he would

935
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: go to the most pious village and starts. That's true. Yeah, oops, okay,

936
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: let's move away from the devil did it to the

937
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: evil spirit side of this theory, because there's actually some

938
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: very simple logic in this one. According to villagers, this

939
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: is the way things played out is somebody's stuff or

940
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: house would start to try to catch on fire, and

941
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: an attempt to save their stuff, if they had somebody

942
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: who would let them, they would take their belongings to

943
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: that other person's house, so that if the house went up,

944
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: at least they're they're precious things didn't go as well,

945
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: except that according to this the evil spirit was actually

946
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: in the possessions. The evil spirit was causing the fire,

947
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: was in a possession. That possession is brought into the

948
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: new house. The spirit then jumps from the newly transported

949
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: item to an item that had resided their previous to

950
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: its rivals. So it's jumped into the new home. It's

951
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna catch things in that house on fire. That person

952
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: is going to do the same thing. Oh, I gotta

953
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: get my stuff out of here, moves it to the

954
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: next person's house, inadvertently passing the infection. Yeah, passing the

955
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: infection along it. From a very simple perspective, it makes

956
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. I suppose I would think that

957
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: a spirit really wouldn't need a ride over to his

958
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: next place. He's gonna go to. You know, there's lazy spirits.

959
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: You do sit around, eat cheetahs, catch something on fire

960
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: and wait for a ride, play Xbox until that happens,

961
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: or short the Xbox out. One of the two it happens. Well,

962
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm totally buying into this spirit thing. But what are

963
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: the theories do we have? Well, I got one that

964
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: you'll totally buy into. Yeah, yeah, okay, I said they

965
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: were flying objects seen in the area, glowing orbs over

966
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 1: the ocean, and UFOs flying in the distance. Their stories

967
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: of helicopter chasing something but never quite being able to

968
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: catch it. Those sightings supposedly became a regular occurrence right

969
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: about the same time that all of the fires started,

970
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: so that has led people to posit that it's aliens

971
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: that are causing the fires. Of the aliens did it right?

972
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: Why though this I love this, this is hol hilarious

973
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: to me, is that one article I read said they

974
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: were doing it as a way to test how we

975
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: as a society or a group would react and how

976
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: good our response would be to a crisis like a fire.

977
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: So once these pyromaniac aliens figure out how our response

978
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: patterns are, they'll be able to just in vain because

979
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: they'll know how to outwit us because they'll already know

980
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: what we do is a predictable pattern. Because a small

981
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: Italian village on an island is probably the best way

982
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: to test that small sample size. Baby, it's all about

983
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: the small sample size. I don't know, man, that just

984
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: it just seems like, yeah, you'd want to like, if

985
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: you're going to a place for you as an alien.

986
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: You don't really know that these guys are representative in

987
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: terms of the way they would respond to anything. Right, true,

988
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: in the size witch. You know, if they're powerful enough

989
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: to set things remotely on fire, wouldn't they send any

990
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: people on fire? Well, I can just imagine that it's

991
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's some drone alien worker in the

992
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: drone alien worker reconnaissance office saying where am I gonna

993
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: put this? I don't know. All those humans sound alike,

994
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: these ones sound fine. This looks like a big enough

995
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: settlement will use it. I mean, it could be that,

996
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: or it could be that it's total OUI or the

997
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: aliens were like, this place has been around for a

998
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: long time. It's probably the pinnacle of what We've been watching.

999
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: This place for a thousand years. It hasn't changed. Therefore

1000
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: it's perfect. Yeah exactly, or maybe not. Yeah, I'm gonna

1001
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: move on. Yeah, the next one I actually will. The

1002
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: next theory is actually the possible one in my mind.

1003
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: I know, because you were bragging about it last week.

1004
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: You were like, the theory that I came up with

1005
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: is actually supported. I would try to deport it with

1006
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: this seventeen page document that I found on the internet. Yes, exactly, Okay, Well,

1007
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: our our next theory is volcanic gases. What are volcanic gases? Well,

1008
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: you know when you eat a lot of beans. No, no,

1009
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: let me. Let me explain a little bit of the

1010
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: geography of the area. I think the geology is pretty

1011
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: easy in terms of we know that there's a ton

1012
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: of freaking volcanoes in that area. But the geography of

1013
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: the area is this village is right on the coastline,

1014
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: so it's at sea level for the most part, and

1015
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: as you move inland, the land rises up and there's

1016
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: little valleys. So if you keep that in mind, we're

1017
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: going to keep going through some of this description, but

1018
00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: that that geography is what is important. Right above of

1019
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: the village, just a couple of miles up is what

1020
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: is called the Auto Strata A twenty and it's a

1021
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: four lane motorway. It runs around the coast to Sicily,

1022
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: and at the time two thousand and four it was

1023
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: brand new. They finished construction in two thousand and four.

1024
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: The train in the area, like we're talking about, there's

1025
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: the valleys, it's kind of hilly. The engineers civil engineers

1026
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: love this, well, I don't want to go over, I'll

1027
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: just dig a tunnel. So they dug a tunnel. They

1028
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: dug a bunch of tunnels, and what they did is

1029
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: they would tunnel through the mountain. They would come to

1030
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: a valley, they would build a bridge to the next mountain.

1031
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: They bore a hole in that hill, come out. If

1032
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: it was decent flat land, they put the road on

1033
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: the ground, and then they do it again wherever they

1034
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: had to drive around sicily on that road. The twenty

1035
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: looks really cool. If you look at it in the

1036
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: satellite views, you can actually see the shadow of the

1037
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: bridge thrown across onto the shape of the valley. It's

1038
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: really they're they're there. They're kind of that that span

1039
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: arch bridge, the lower arch underneath, not on top. The

1040
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: really neat looking. But this is what they did well.

1041
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: The idea is that what happened is as they were

1042
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: digging those tunnels, they accidentally popped open a fissure or

1043
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: some kind of vein that was connected to a magma

1044
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: system or a volcanic system. Nothing major, because if they'd

1045
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: hit something major, we'd have known about it. Stuff had

1046
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: blowed up, and I say that my best American accents.

1047
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: Stuff blowed up, it would have been obvious. But instead

1048
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: nothing happened, which means that they hit a crack or

1049
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: they hit a small leak so this theory runs that

1050
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: there's a fissure in a tunnel and it's not obvious

1051
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: and it's leaking gas or we're talking explosive gas. So

1052
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: not just carbon monoxide, but methane and things like that.

1053
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: Are these things found in volcanoes? I know two of

1054
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: the gases that would be flammable in a volcanic mixture

1055
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: would be methane and hydrogen sulfide. Yeah, I know those ones.

1056
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: What else is going to be in there? It's it's

1057
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: a mixed bag. Were not yet? But those uh don't

1058
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: those kind of odoriferous? No, they're not, they're not, they're not.

1059
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: You gotta remember, is a lot of the gases that

1060
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: we use that could I mean, like, methane does put

1061
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: off kind of that sewer smell, Hydrogen sulfide does not.

1062
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: So we're used to have a lot of gases having

1063
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 1: like this is a common misnumbers. People like I would

1064
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: know if I had a gas leak, you know, because

1065
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: it smells like rotten eggs. Well, when you're out in

1066
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: the woods, nobody's artificially put that rotten egg smell in it. Well, yeah,

1067
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: that's that, that is true, because they do they do

1068
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: put that in methane yeah, natural gas yeah yeah, so no,

1069
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: those are the flammable. So though, as I we were

1070
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: talking about again, and I'm going back to the geography,

1071
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 1: if this crack is coming out of a tunnel, which

1072
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: is uphill, it's gonna run down the valley, which this town,

1073
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: this village sits in kind of the basin of a valley,

1074
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: so it would all run down hit low spots create

1075
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: little pockets of potentially explosive gas that if there's a spark,

1076
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: which Okay, my TVs on, it's got little sparks running

1077
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: around in it, or my computers running, or my car

1078
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: ignition is on, but the cars not on. I can

1079
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: see how that could cause a fire. What it doesn't

1080
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: appropriately answer is the fires that are caught in things

1081
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: like furniture or electronics that aren't turned on, or hair

1082
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: dryer that's not plugged in. It also does in the

1083
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: caf its for like you know, hard drives being wiped

1084
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: and gates opening and closing on by themselves. It does not.

1085
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: It does, and it really doesn't. Uh, there is there

1086
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 1: is some discussion. At least one article that I came

1087
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: across was talking about the fact that if it is

1088
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: some kind of volcanic fisher that is leaking gas, It's

1089
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: probably gonna be leaking volcanic ash at the same time

1090
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: in very small quantities. But that's going to drift down.

1091
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: And I've got to I've got to read this because

1092
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: I didn't exactly get it. But this is what I'm understanding,

1093
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: is that there is a bit of friction that has

1094
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: caused between the ash when two pieces of ash rub

1095
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: together or go across each other, which would create a

1096
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: static charge. So if enough of that builds up, it's

1097
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: going to create enough static charge that could potentially start

1098
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: a fire. Then you would be dealing with like random

1099
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: fireballs as well. You know, it wouldn't necessarily always be things.

1100
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: I'm plus, I think people in the village would be

1101
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: noticing that there's ash all over everything, you would think,

1102
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: But if it's in small amounts or it's ground into stuff,

1103
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: I can see how it's not noticeable. But Devin brings

1104
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: up a good point because that ties back into remember

1105
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: the UFOs, the the glowing balls over the ocean. I

1106
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: guess that's true. I forgot about that. It could be

1107
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: the old men in Black explanation of swamp gas or

1108
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: a burning ball of gas floating over the horizon potentially,

1109
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: So that's a bunch of their gas. It's just gone

1110
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: out and got caught on fire somehow caught on fire

1111
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: a cigarette and flickted straight up a hundred feet. And yeah.

1112
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: The other thing about the thing about this theory that

1113
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure about is that, like, besides that

1114
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: the flammable ones psychhydrogen, sulfide, and methane, there are a

1115
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 1: lot of other gases that are associated with volcanic leaks,

1116
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: and some of them are pretty caustic and and you

1117
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 1: would be smelling them. Yeah, um, well, you know. And

1118
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: one thing that we haven't talked about a little bit,

1119
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: if we're gonna go into the series just a tad

1120
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: bit more, is there have in reports of people saying

1121
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: that as they were going through the tunnels around the

1122
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: village on the twenty and I want to say that

1123
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: the other road is the it's like the eighteen or

1124
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: it's an eighteen. I remember that it's it's in the teens.

1125
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Is that there are random events where a car will

1126
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: shut off the electronics with car die car coose to

1127
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: a stop, they started back up, it starts, ignition fires,

1128
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: and then they drive away. And they don't know how

1129
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: much that happens when people have reported that in that area,

1130
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's in the tunnels, or

1131
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: if it's on the other road, or if it's on

1132
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: the bridge. Like the reporting on it was very scant,

1133
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: But it could be that it's some of those more

1134
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: caustic other gases which when the car sucks it in

1135
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: instead of oxygen, is going to kill the ignition, you

1136
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: know in the in the cylinder gas can on ignite.

1137
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: If there is not oxygen and it's some non gas

1138
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't burn right with it, then the car dies.

1139
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: But it it rolls far enough forward to get out

1140
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: of that pocket of gas, so then when they go

1141
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: to turn it over, it sucks in air again. So

1142
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: that's that's why the pocketpants of the car don't get assixiated.

1143
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: Then they're moving too quickly. Yeah, it's not perfect, but

1144
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that I've heard or of read,

1145
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: so I think I think the explanation for that is

1146
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: these people just need to get their car worked on.

1147
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: It's some auto body shop in the village or car

1148
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: repair shop in the village that's doing it. Yeah, that's

1149
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: probably what it is. So it could very well be. Um.

1150
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: I know Devon likes this because we we've used nefarious

1151
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: a number of times and this this plays a little

1152
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: bit here. Well we've got our next theory and it

1153
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: plays a little bit into the volcanic bid and then

1154
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: it goes on to the much more defarious aspect. So

1155
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: this kind of ties the two together. Is that when

1156
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: there are vachanic eruptions, there tend to be some electro

1157
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,959
Speaker 1: magnetic issues that go on. Because I don't understand why,

1158
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 1: because I'm not a volcanologist, as we've said, but it happens. Well,

1159
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: that is one reason people say that there's these electro

1160
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: magnetic issues. The other one is that some bad organization

1161
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: is targeting the town. And what they're doing is they're

1162
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 1: they're using a high powered electro magnetic beam shooting it

1163
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: at the village from somewhere most likely out to see,

1164
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: which I gotta say sounds like a total evil supervillain move. Um,

1165
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: and they're frying stuff in the town. Yeah, that sounds legit. Yeah,

1166
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: this is actually Yeah, Ano this works because I would

1167
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: I would not be at all surprised if some of

1168
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: the some some super villain wasn't working on some sort

1169
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: of volcano lancing super laser. They could the blackmail of

1170
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: the world. You're laughing, but this is like a serious

1171
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: vocal Yes, a volcano that says super laser that. Yeah,

1172
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: And you could just say, hey, guys, if you know

1173
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: what a hot lava boiling down to your town, you've

1174
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: been giving a cough up like a million bucks man, Yeah,

1175
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 1: right now, one million, one billion dollars. Yeah. And so

1176
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: it might be that these are kind of beta versions,

1177
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 1: they're weaker beta versions. He still hasn't gotten all the

1178
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: way up to the superpowered one end or she possibly

1179
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 1: she or it as in a organization, because it's there's

1180
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 1: there's a there's a US Air Force base right in

1181
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: that area. So of course the finger gets pointed them.

1182
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: The finger gets pointed at the government, at aliens, or

1183
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,959
Speaker 1: at a super villain. The quote that I've got here

1184
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that it would have to be

1185
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: all ultra high frequency beam and it would have to

1186
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,439
Speaker 1: be transmitted somewhere between three hundred banker hurts and three

1187
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: giga hurts. Makes sense. I mean they have been they

1188
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: have been mucking around with the mp AMP weapons and

1189
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: so well, we've talked about that mazers and every other

1190
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: kind of silly laser item like that. Yeah, yeap, device

1191
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't set things on fire. Yeah, I'm gonna say no. Yeah,

1192
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: it was not meant to do that. Yeah. Our next,

1193
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: sadly theory, our next theory, sadly could be one of

1194
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: the more plausible, and that it was it was a

1195
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: local boy slash man. Yeah, that makes sense to me.

1196
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: And by a boy slash man, I mean a boy

1197
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, isn't a teenage boy who

1198
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: is now a man, Because one of the Italian reports

1199
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: that I found was talking about the fact that they

1200
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: had found they believed, they authorities believe they finally figured

1201
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: out what the problem was, and it was just sepi Posino.

1202
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: He's twenty six and he had been so that means

1203
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: he's been fifteen sixteen years old at the time. And

1204
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: they're saying he's one who starts all the fires. Yeah,

1205
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: he was running around starting fires. Kind of a pyromaniac situation.

1206
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: Burning thing. That's not unheard of. It's not unheard of, though.

1207
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: More unheard of is like breaking into a house to

1208
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: set a hair dryer on fire and then escaping before

1209
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: anybody noticed that you're in the house. Well, the hair dryer,

1210
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: in my mind is kind of suspect because whenever I

1211
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: walk into a room in my house and I find

1212
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: something on fire, I don't stop to take pictures of it.

1213
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: I grabbed I haven't seen the picture kind of just

1214
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: looks like there's a flashlight. It just looks like there's

1215
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: like a bright light, and I am I am taking

1216
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: the photo and face value according to what it's written

1217
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: about it. That's so, you're right, it does look a

1218
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: little suspect. But here's here's what we're saying. Is that,

1219
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: remember I told her. What I'm saying is I told

1220
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: you that when the Feds came in they had put

1221
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: up all these cameras, or when the government had come

1222
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: in and then the fire stopped. Yeah, well, there evidently

1223
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: is some footage just at the beginning of that time,

1224
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: and one of this one of those pieces of footage

1225
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: shows him by a car and doing something almost the

1226
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: strike a match movement, if you were going to strike

1227
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: a match, a wooden match away from yourself, and he's

1228
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: in front of a car, and then it's obvious it's

1229
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: one of those cameras that does every five or ten

1230
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: seconds and then suddenly the car is smoky and billowing.

1231
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 1: He's moved away, and then the fire department comes running

1232
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: around to it. It almost, uh, it's really it's kind

1233
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: of comical to watch. It's almost like a Benny Hills skit,

1234
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: the way everybody runs around but they run over and

1235
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: you can see him standing there, almost as if he's,

1236
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: you know, on his phone, go. I don't know what's

1237
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: going on or what happened over there. I do. I

1238
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: question it because there was so many things, and I

1239
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:00,759
Speaker 1: really don't know how one guy could have got into

1240
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: so many places unless nobody in that village ever locked

1241
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: their freaking doors. You can't entirely rule out the possibility

1242
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: of copycats too well. But the thing is what I

1243
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: don't understand, and maybe this is tacked on, is all

1244
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: the other weird the computer drives wiped. Okay, I could

1245
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: see somebody goes in with the magnet just wipes the drives,

1246
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: But what about car doors and weird electronics stuff, you know, locks,

1247
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: opening and closing, things like that, those things happen. I'm

1248
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: saying is that I don't know that those aren't tacked

1249
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: onto the story. I can't say they're not. It just

1250
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot, and it seems like there's

1251
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: According to the article I was reading, he might not

1252
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: have done it all on his own because his dad,

1253
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: at the time that he got in trouble, was head

1254
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 1: of the fund to compensate people for things that had

1255
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: caught on fire. Maybe his dad was helping him a

1256
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: little bit once he figured out he was doing it,

1257
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: and hey, help me keep my job. Kind the thing.

1258
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean, maybe Giuseppia is totally

1259
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: totally the one who did it all. He probably is

1260
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: Devin Judge jury right there. I think. I think it's

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Speaker 1: entirely possible to that at least some of these things

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Speaker 1: that caught fire, people just thought, hey, I want to

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Speaker 1: get on the act. I want the guy from the

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01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: National Enquiry to come by an interview me. So I'm

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: gonna let my toaster on fire, or yea, this hair

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,719
Speaker 1: dryer doesn't work anymore, I'm gonna light it on fire

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01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: and then the fund will replace it. Yeah there's that. Yeah, Yeah,

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01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: that's that could be could do that. You could intentionally

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Speaker 1: overload something. I would do that and then plug it

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Speaker 1: back into the sock and say, look at caught on

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Speaker 1: fire right there. Oh my gosh, I need a new one.

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Speaker 1: I know this is the crappy one, but I'd love

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01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 1: the fancy super chrome queas and art version please. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's the version I bought. When I bought it, you

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: just can't tell because it's so melted. Yeah, there's a

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01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: lot of evidence of people pulling that kind of fraud

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01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: off in the past to say that it's entirely pousible.

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Speaker 1: And as far as wiping your drive, your hard drive,

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't see what the hell you'd get

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Speaker 1: out of wipe in your computer, because every time my

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,600
Speaker 1: computer dies, I am so angry, even if I have

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Speaker 1: it backed up. Yeah, I know, but no, I mean

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Speaker 1: I I would put a compensation for a claim for compensation,

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01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: Like you know that drive had that was filled with

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01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: cat videos. Spent a whole lot of time. It took

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01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: me five years at working, you know, twenty hours a

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: week to build up my collection of cat videos. They're

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01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: all gone. I would like to be compensated for my time.

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that might actually get thrown out.

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: That surprises me. I got I've got to back up

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: my cat videos. I do have a couple of bits

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Speaker 1: that I want to throw out. These are not specifically

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: related to any theory, but they are explanations of some

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Speaker 1: of the things that were going on. Do you remember

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01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: I talked about the water pipes that suddenly, after all

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: the fires, suddenly water ironically, water pipes are bursting. There

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: is a theory on how that might be happening, and

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01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: that is through what is it's called a probably mispronouncing

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01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: cathodic or cathodic process. I think it's cathodic because it's

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01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: the cathode. I think that's right. But basically, what it

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Speaker 1: is is that you've got a water pipe and it's

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Speaker 1: welded together with some material, and somehow electronic charge is

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01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: getting to the pipe and that's going to corrode and

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01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: weaken that seem so that's what's causing us. So it's

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01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: almost like there's an electrical leak in the ground that

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: is weakening everybody's water pipes, because then it gets in

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: the system screws the whole thing up. Um. I must

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01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: say that this this village looks pretty old, it does.

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01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: It looks like it's been around a long time. I'm

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 1: going to give you that. The last thing I want

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01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: to talk about, though, is Devon's favorite part. The egg plants. Yes,

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01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: the evil, evil egg plants. Did a little bit of

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01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: research on this, and I, okay, I admit my ignorance

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01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: right off the bat. I thought all egg plants were

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01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:06,679
Speaker 1: that weird dark purple. They are absolutely not. They are

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01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: as varied as the rainbow. They come in a million colors,

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01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: and most of them start out one color and then

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01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: turn another. I also want to point out the fact

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01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 1: that if this is a local farmer who is trying

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01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,520
Speaker 1: to save money, he may have gotten eggplant seeds from

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01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: someone saying that they had a specific kind and did

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01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: quite the sloppy job and gave him a variety of

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01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: egg plants. Because I've had this at our house, is

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01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: that we'll say, oh, we're gonna plant this, and you

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01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: plant a bunch of seeds and then the one oddball,

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01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: like what is what is that weird carrot? And it

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01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: turns out not to be a carrot, but you know,

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01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: something utterly different. Yeah, an eggplant which I'll never grow. Well,

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: it could have been actually also a little farmer playing

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 1: a little prank on the press. You know, I know this,

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: I know that they're gonna come out all colors, but

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01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: these guys probably have as ever seen purple ones, you know,

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: So I'll ring them out to my farm and I'll

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01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: wind up my multi colored egg plants, and you know,

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01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: I make and just you know, kind of make make

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01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: a fool out of the one thing that I've always

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: seen In the articles those they said the entire crop

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01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 1: had to be destroyed because they couldn't sell it well,

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01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: which sounds kind of punkish to me. Cross Pollination is

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: also a thing, like you know, when you go out

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01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: in the summer and there's like this one bush that's

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01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 1: got flowers on it that's like half one color and

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01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: half another color. That's a thing. Yeah, I don't I

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: don't know if that's as prevalent in eggplant because it

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01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 1: seemed like they were very very linear in their their process.

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: But it completely could be, if possible, if he had,

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, one plant that was a different color that

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01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: got cross pollinated with a bunch of them. I don't know. Yeah, yeah,

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: I personally think it was a seed mix up, That's

1350
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking to or I really think the guy

1351
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 1: was drown asparagus and didn't know what it was. Yeah, yeah,

1352
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: And the guy probably might he might very well deliberately

1353
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: mixed up the seas produced different colors, you know, because

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01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 1: that would make your fields look a lot prettier if

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01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: they're all multi rainbow colored and everything. That's that's really

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01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: all we've got on this, this little village. So I'm

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: gonna vote for human agency. I'm I'm inclined to go

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01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: with the volcanic gas online. But you know, we never

1359
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: talked about did we ever vote on the other's all?

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01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: Who cares? Not? No? No, I think I think I

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01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: think with mine the value of the headless Man. I

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01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: think it was probably just unrelated. I think it was Turrock,

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: son of Stone. Yeah, it could have been that. I

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01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: don't want to think about. We're just glossing over mine. Okay,

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01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: I'm totally okay with that. Okay, Well, so it concludes

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Speaker 1: another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. Hey, you probably

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01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: don't know where our website is, so we're gonna tell

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01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: you this Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. Actually I'm sure

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01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: you do know, but just in case you don't, you

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01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: can leave comments. We'll have links out there for you.

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Speaker 1: You can listen to the episodes. More likely you're finding

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Speaker 1: us on iTunes, so if you are getting us off

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01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:59,440
Speaker 1: of iTunes, Please subscribe and leave us a review, preferably

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,759
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Speaker 1: billions and billions of places. So, uh, yeah, we're on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: just Thinking Sideways Facebook. Uh, definitely, you can friend us

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01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: and like us and leave comments. So we also have

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01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: We dropped the G for that because we're so cool.

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01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: And last of all, email, We get lots of emails,

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01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,600
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01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: then you can find us. Our email is Thinking Sideways

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: podcast at gmail dot com. And last of all, we

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Speaker 1: are on Patreon. Now, if you haven't heard of Patreon,

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01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: it is spelled p A t R e o n,

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Speaker 1: so it would be Patreon slash Thinking Sideways patreon dot

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Speaker 1: com slash Thinking Sideways. Yeah, so if you don't know

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01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: what patreon as well, you'll find out. We've got stuff

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01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 1: on there to explain it. Yeah, we do, um, and

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01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 1: that's pretty much it. Hopefully you're gonna take our advice

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01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: and stay the hell away from these places. Vacation somewhere normal,

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01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: much nicer now. Actually, I think if I ever get

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01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: the chance, I think I'm going to go to Sicily

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01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: and go to this little village. It looks pretty cool.

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01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I would. I just wouldn't stay there. Yeah.

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: The Valley of the Headless Man not so much. No, no,

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Okay, Well that's it. Then, see you all

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Speaker 1: next week. Later everyone,