1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: Hunt's Giants, Dunt come my Giants, Bubble, give me some Jump. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's Roll. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Litle Podcast, brought 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the Official bank of the Giants, 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: our usual early week Tuesday program. John Schmelk Sean O'Hara 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: with you and Sean. You know an NBA jam When 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: you're on fire, it's very tough to get the guy 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: out of the fire. 10 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Things I was hoping you forgot about that, Well, I 11 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: gotta go back to it. 12 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Here comes the Saints. You know you're on fire, You're 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: going for the dunk, and then it's basically like the 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: Saints jumping at the rim and blocking the shot and then 15 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, not on fire anymore, which is 16 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: pretty much what happened with the Saints defense against the 17 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Giants on Sunday afternoon. 18 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Felt like Shaquille and Neil just kind of came into 19 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: swatted us all back down to Earth and now, yeah, 20 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: we're starting back over. Now. Now we just need to 21 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: make a layup exactly. 22 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: So let's talk about the game. And I think it's 23 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: afropro that you're with us today because when I went 24 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: back and I rewatched the tape, the pressure rate allowed 25 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: if you look at some of the metrics only, it's 26 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: twenty six percent. Not terrible, not great, But if you 27 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: watch the game, in a lot of especially early downs, 28 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: there was pressure, and there was quick pressure, and it 29 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: was always up the middle. Yeah, and especially from the 30 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: center to left guard spot. For me, that's where the 31 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: big problem area, at least I thought I saw rewatching 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: this tape. And we'll talk about the one on one 33 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: stuff in a second, but just a lot of trouble 34 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: picking up some of the twists and the stunts between 35 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: Justin Pugh and John Michael Schmidtz. I think that turned 36 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 2: into three sacks over the course of this game. 37 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was not a very good performance, 38 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: and I think Justin Pugh would tell you himself that 39 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: it was probably one of his worst games as a Giant. 40 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Although he said after the game it was the worst 41 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: game he's. 42 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: Played, right, so there, so I'm not putting words in 43 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: his mouth. I think when you look at the Saints 44 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: defense coming into this game, that was gonna be a 45 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: big part of it, and not just the passing game. 46 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: Like in the run game. The Saints defense is better 47 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: than most people think and most people know because and 48 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: we're not talking about the Saints defense as much because 49 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: the team hasn't been great. 50 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: But and I wondered if it was the defense or 51 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: the week schedule they faced, and watching the tape, it 52 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: was the defense. It was pretty dark good. 53 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do, and they do a lot of different things. 54 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: They do a lot of slanting, a lot of stunt, 55 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of movements. The hardest thing for offensive 56 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: lineman to do in the run game is to block 57 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: people on the moves. The only team that does guys 58 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: that stunt it makes it hard. 59 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: Only team that does more stunting and twisting than the Saints. 60 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: Where the Dallas Cowboys heading into the skit right another 61 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: line that, by the way, gave the Giants a lot 62 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: of trouble. 63 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: And we got blown out by them twice. So I 64 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: think that's always been the challenge as an offensive line, 65 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: and anytime you've got guys that haven't played a ton together, 66 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: that kind of shows up and it makes things exponentially worse. 67 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: But the other thing that the Saints really do a 68 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: great job of, and they do this a lot, this 69 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: is not just against the Giants, but they run what 70 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: we call a five down defense, and there was a 71 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: couple of times where they would shift to it. We 72 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: called a stem. So they come up and their line 73 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: up in a four down even look, and then boom, 74 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: they make a command or they say something, and all 75 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden they stem into a five down look, 76 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: which is a guy head up on the center, a 77 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: guy on outside shoulder of both guards, and guys. 78 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 2: On the tip, and that sets up one on ones, right, 79 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: sets up. 80 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: One on ones, and it really constricts the running lane. 81 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: So it's a run stopping defense. And then you have 82 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: the Mike linebacker, who is Tomorio Davis, one of the 83 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: best linebackers in the league, who basically goes unblocked because 84 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: all those now, all of a sudden, everybody's constricted. You 85 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: lose the combo blocks, you lose the ability to get 86 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: to the mic, which is why you saw him basically 87 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: running around making tackles left and right. 88 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: Matthew the safety spot too. 89 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a first down run where Tommy Devido 90 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: checked it at the line, We're gonna run left. There 91 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: was a five down defense and Tomorrow Davis basically beat 92 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Saquan to the spot to the point, and it was 93 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: because he was on blocked. We couldn't get to him 94 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: because you know, the five down defense constricted that. So 95 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: that's in the run game, and as we know, Saquan 96 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: nine carries fourteen yards like that's that's less than two 97 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: yards of carry. 98 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: And he had much of a chance in the game 99 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 2: either you know. 100 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: That wasn't it wasn't dancing or what you know, you can't. 101 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: There was really not a lot of room. There was 102 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: no breathing room for him in the run game. I 103 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: think then you spin it forward. On third down. The 104 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: Saints have an unbelievable package and they actually include Tomorrow 105 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: Davis and a lot of the schemes that they do. 106 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: But they did a great job on third down in 107 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: creating twists, and those twists what you're talking about, is 108 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: what created a lot of the pressure. And look, Justin 109 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: Pugh struggled with that. I don't know if people really 110 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: appreciate how hard it is to go from tackle into 111 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: guard when it's always when you go from tackle tackle, 112 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: you're more playing in space. You have athletic guys, they're 113 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: not as big, maybe two hundred and fifty pounds maybe 114 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: two sixty when you move inside. Now you have guys 115 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: that are really quick, but they're three hundred and twenty pounds, 116 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: so it's a forty to fifty pound difference. That power 117 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: is meaningful, it's significant. So I think what we saw 118 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: a lot was John Michael Schmidtz and Justin Pugh and 119 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: Ben Breterson being on different levels. And when you're on 120 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: different levels, you can't pass off those twists. So that's 121 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: where a lot of the pressure came in. And to 122 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: your point, as an offensive line, we always talk about 123 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: tackles are responsible for the width of the pocket, all right. 124 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: They're supposed to keep the pass rushers out wide, give 125 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks some breathing room. From a wind standpoint, The 126 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: guards and the our responsible for the depth of the 127 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: parkt pocket your it's your job to keep that pocket 128 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: deep so the quarterback can step up from the edge rushers. 129 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: You can get away from edge rushers by stepping up. 130 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: You can't get away from interior pressure by stepping up. 131 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: That makes it a lot harder. So one of the 132 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: reason why we saw the Giants go from zero sacks 133 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: the week before to now a sudden all these sacks 134 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: and seven total was because of that interior pressure. Quarterbacks, 135 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: you can't get away from that A and B gap pressure. 136 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: All right, A couple of things I want to touch 137 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: on is I think you hit on a bunch of 138 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: awesome stuff there. I agree with all that, And one 139 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: I thought the Saints also did a good job, much 140 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: better job than Green Bay did of rushing with discipline 141 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: though too. There weren't these huge gaps where Devido could 142 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: step up and run like he did last week for one. 143 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: Then the other thing I want to ask you, as 144 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: a center, it looked like on a couple of those 145 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 2: twists where I guess they would be te twist is 146 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: the tackle went first and then the end came around. 147 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: It's like John Michael Schmids didn't recognize it. He didn't 148 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: see the looper coming around, so he was trying to 149 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: block down on the defensive tackle to help you. Then 150 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: the looper, I think it was two different plays, and 151 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: then the looper came around. Didn't even look like he 152 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: recognized him coming around. So is that a communication issue 153 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 2: where he's not you know, you know, is he not 154 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: getting tapped or is it too loud? What happens when 155 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: it looks like the center doesn't recognize that that looper's 156 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: coming around on those tacho. 157 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, good question. I know the exact player you're talking 158 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: about too. It was basically, the offensive line is sliding 159 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: left and John Michael Smith was uncovered. Justin Pugh had 160 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: a guy on him, and then there's defensive end out 161 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: on Andrew Thomas and they ran a little te twist 162 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: and basically, really John Michael Smith just got over aggressive. 163 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: So he said, when you set back, you basically the 164 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: tough thing sometimes is just be patient and let them 165 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: come to you. I an offensive line coach tell me 166 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: one time, the defensive linement our trained pigs. If you 167 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: just set back and close your eyes, they'll run right 168 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: into you, so don't get out of position. And that's 169 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: exactly what happened with John Michael Smith's on the snap. 170 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: He set back and he saw the defensive tackle bull 171 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: rushing Justin Pughe so he said, I'm gonna go help 172 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: my guard out, so aggressively he goes over there to 173 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: push him, and right when he does that, the defensive 174 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: end loops underneath them. So to your point, he didn't 175 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: see it, he didn't anticipate it. By the time he 176 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: saw that twist. It was already by him. The mental 177 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: note and the coaching point for John Michael Schmiz is 178 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: just you've got to be aware. You've got to make 179 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: sure that that twister and there's not somebody coming back 180 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: in there before you vacate and help your guard out. 181 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those rookie growing paying mistakes. 182 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: And you know when you watch film on it, you 183 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: look at it and you say, oh my gosh, did 184 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: John Michael Schmidz get beat? Was it a mental breakdown? 185 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: And all he was just being aggressive, really trying to 186 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: knock the guard, knock the guard's defender out of the 187 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: hole and give a little bit more breathing room for 188 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: the quarterback. Ended up backfiring him. So that was one play, 189 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: and it's something that happens for young players in the league, 190 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: especially rookies. But I know it's something I'll learn from. 191 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: You love turf, You're good at it, So you start 192 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: a turf fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the 193 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: most celebrated name in turfs. 194 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: Are you ready for all that life brings? 195 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? And that's why I asked you the question. Is 196 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: you played the position you would know Johnson a podcast 197 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: is brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of 198 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: the Giants from game data. Every day, Citizens is made 199 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: ready for fans of the New York Football Giants with insights, guidance, 200 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: and solutions. Learn more at Citizens bank dot com. And 201 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 2: then when Tommy Divido did have time, Sean, you watched 202 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: the tape, there was zero and I mean zero separation 203 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: down the field from these Giants wide receivers, and it 204 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: was a little bit of a different look. Right. They 205 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: got a lot of zone when they played the Packers 206 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: last week when they played Washington and also a heavy 207 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 2: zone team. But you go back to that Patriot game, 208 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 2: they played a lot of man Otis has thrown the ball, 209 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 2: same deal this week played the Saints a lot of 210 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: man to man and just very difficult situation trying to 211 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: separate against some pretty dawn tight coverage by that Sat secondary. 212 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: I think any young quarterback would say they'd rather play 213 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: man than zone any day, because if you know what's 214 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: man coverage and you can recognize it now, it's basically 215 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: just let me find my matchup and you know what, 216 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: I can just read that corner. If he's playing underneath, 217 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it. Over the head. If he's playing 218 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: over the top, I'm gonna Actually it's a different animal 219 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: when you're playing zone. Now, the one way to beat 220 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: zone is if you can buy time, So zone listen. 221 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: The great thing about offensively, if you're going against his 222 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: own defense is if your protection can hold up, you 223 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: can find soft spots. Your receivers can find the little 224 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: voids in the defense. But if defenses can play zone 225 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: and get pressure with their front four, then you're playing 226 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: right into the hands. And that's basically what happened with 227 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: the Giants. 228 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: I think when you look back the way and when 229 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: they played man and the Saints played plenty of it, 230 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 2: the Giants receivers just couldn't run away from the defensive backs. 231 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: It was just too tight. 232 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: So there's kind of two things going on. Tommy's fighting 233 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: the pass rush and trying to buy time, and he's 234 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: also looking around saying, there's not anybody that's wide open, 235 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: and you know, you're looking for somebody who can I 236 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: throw it to. And there was blanketing coverage. Give credit 237 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: to the Saints defense, they did a great job in coverage. 238 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: I think also when you know, look, Tommy's still a rookie, 239 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: so anytime you can kind of try to confuse him 240 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: pre snap. And mind you, as a rookie quarterback, you're 241 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: on the road in New Orleans, you're dealing with a 242 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: silent count, so you've got to handle all that too. 243 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: There's a lot of things you're thinking about, and then 244 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to bait you in coverage, they're showing hey, 245 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: maybe they're showing pressure. And then on the snap two 246 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: guys drop out, a couple of defenders that can change 247 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: your read right away. So I think for everybody offensively, 248 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't good enough. Certainly there was not enough separation. 249 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: There were too many times even when Tommy did have 250 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: time to throw that. I mean, he's back there waiting 251 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: like somebody somebody break over when somebody do something, it's 252 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of one of those things where offensively, 253 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: one of the things that hurts that is when you're 254 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: in third and long. When you're in third and long, 255 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: second and fifteen second and twelve third and twelve third 256 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: and nine third and ten, they can play zone. When 257 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: you're in third and four, third and five, they're not 258 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: gonna play zone because now it's a little bit easier 259 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: to just kind of hate. Throw a quick little hitch, 260 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: a quick little slant, quick, a little out, quick little 261 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: now and get the first down. So you're in third 262 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: and four, third and five or less man and that's 263 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: more manageable. Now, all of a sudden, they're going to 264 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: play a little more man and you're gonna change and 265 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: dictate the terms. 266 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a mess the early down offense. 267 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 2: You want to look at why the Giants, I think 268 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: when they finished two of sixteen, three of sixteen on 269 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: third down, whenever it was, it was a terrible number. 270 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: That goes back to the failures. Two for sixteen, that 271 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: goes back to the failures on first down in this game. 272 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 2: Bob and I looked this up when we came in 273 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: on Monday to the first three quarters of this game. 274 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: So I'm taking out that final garbage time drive. The 275 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: Giants averaged a half of the yard of play on 276 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: first downs. 277 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: Wow. 278 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: So you talk about inability to stop, you have every time. 279 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: And I believe of their sixteen third down attempts, ten 280 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: were of nine or more yards, and like six or 281 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: seven were of twelve or more yards. Like it was 282 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: a disaster, and you put yourself in a position offensively 283 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard to succeed in and I think 284 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: we did a good job of trying to put Tommy 285 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: DeVito's success into context. The last couple of weeks it 286 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: was more than just en. They ran for two hundred 287 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: yards against the Packers, you know, and this week a 288 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: lot of those things are working against them. They couldn't 289 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: run the ball. You had a couple of drops on 290 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: early downs by receiver Slayton and High both that drops 291 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: on slants during the game, you couldn't run. The football 292 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: protection broke down. It was better last week against the 293 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: Packers and he was able to kind of run out 294 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: of some of that pressure. And just a lot of 295 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: the stuff was working against him. And even the two 296 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: field goal drives the Giants did have, Sean, the only 297 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: reason they got a gift is because both drives got 298 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: extended by penalties won the frankly out, I'll just say 299 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: it out right. I thought the bad personal foul call 300 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: on Paulson Adebo on the hit, and then you had 301 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 2: to running into the punter penalty on the first one. 302 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: So just early down failures and then Tommy DeVito didn't 303 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: have much of a shot in this game. 304 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: No, it was clearly the struggle, you know, and right 305 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: out of the gate. Look, there was a couple of opportunities. 306 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: The first play of the game, Darius Slayton runs right 307 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: by a Devo and just a little bit of misfire. 308 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: The ball is a little bit underthrown. So it was 309 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: that kind of day. I don't put any of the 310 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: blame and say, man, Tommy DeVito played bad. I don't 311 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: think he just he didn't even have a chance to 312 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: make plays because that defense was so suffocating. 313 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 2: And he said he wanted two throws back after the game, 314 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: the Slaton play and then the wall or on the 315 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: crosser when he or. 316 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, that first play. I mean, and what's crazy about 317 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: the game is all of a sudden, man if Slayton, 318 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: if you make that big play and all of a sudden, 319 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: there's juice and Allison all right, Hey, maybe we got 320 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: to change our game plan going into it. So something 321 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: one play like that, even though it was early on 322 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: in the game, can kind of change the way things happen. 323 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: I'll say this too, I thought, I thought Tommy DeVito 324 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: should have absolutely gotten a flag. They should have thrown 325 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: the flag when he was scramling he got hit like 326 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: he clearly got the rookie rules. You're not gonna get 327 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: the personal foul rough and passer because there were two 328 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: plays later on that day that having a Josh Allen 329 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: in the Dallas game, both were flagged, and you know, 330 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: I think that they've got to be more consistent with that. 331 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: But I thought despite that, Tommy showed some toughness, like 332 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: he's running guy through guys. He's not shine from away 333 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,599 Speaker 1: from contact. He took a lot of big shots. He 334 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: took a little bit of a beating in that game, 335 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: refused to come out, obviously had to come out when 336 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: he got checked by the neuro consultant. But you know, 337 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: I think that he's shown that he's got some real 338 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: grit to him. He feels like he belongs out there, 339 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: and I think that he showed that despite the fact 340 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: that the offense was struggling. The one thing I do 341 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: really like he didn't force things like not in one interception, 342 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: and the fact that he's taking care of the football 343 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: like that that's going to pay dividends. You know, if 344 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: you're a quarterback, they can take care of the football, 345 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: you're always going to have a job. 346 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: Giant fans love a winner. It's why they Love Citizens 347 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: Or named a twenty twenty two Best Bank in the 348 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: US by The Banker as the official bank of the 349 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: Giants and sponsor of the Huddled, Citizens has made ready 350 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: for fans if the Big Blue. Learn more at citizensbank 351 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: dot com. And I have sympathy for those defensive players, 352 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 2: especially in quarterbacks slide a little bit late. I thought 353 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: the player was committed already, to be honest with you, 354 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: But to your point, that flag is thrown every time, 355 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: and for some reason it wasn't in this situation. 356 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: I think it's it's one of those things where you 357 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: have to practice it. Really, Like you can't talk about 358 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: with defenders say look, here's what we can and can't do. 359 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: You literally have to have a drill that says we're 360 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: going to practice going up approaching a quarterback when he slides. 361 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: It's okay to make contact with him, but you can't 362 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: make contact to the head or neck. So as you're 363 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: coming in there, it's like, all right, I got to 364 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: change my aiming point. If I'm coming in and if 365 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's sliding or not, I've got 366 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: to go low. I gotta aim low. And if you 367 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: can't go up high. 368 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: And if you're the quarterback, just slide a little bit earlier. 369 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: So I have to beat it earlier to avoid some 370 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: of those. 371 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is tough because as a quarterback, and it's like, 372 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I want to get the first time. If I slide 373 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: a yard short of the first down, people are gonna 374 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: kill me because I didn't get the first So you know, 375 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: maybe the answer is, don't stop sliding. 376 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 377 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 4: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 378 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 379 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings? 380 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 2: Quickly? Shown on the defense and I want to touch 381 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: on the Eagles real quick, will Yeah, we're up against 382 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: People'll kick off here. Giants play a lot more zone 383 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: in this game. And you made the point on the 384 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 2: other side of the ball, right. If you play zone, 385 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 2: you have to get pressure. If you zone up and 386 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: you don't pressure the quarterback, you're gonna be able to 387 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: get picked a part. And I think that's kind of 388 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: what the Saints eventually started to do, just for a methodically, 389 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, fifteen year, past year, twelve yard pass. They 390 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: are just kind of marched up and down the field 391 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: a little bit in the second half of this game. 392 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: And know, you don't see Dexter Lawrence and came on 393 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: Tibodau get shut out the way they did in this 394 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: game a lot. But that's what happens. The Saints really 395 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: we talked about they dominated it up front on offense. 396 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: They also dominated with their offensive line against the Giants 397 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: defensive front. 398 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had two defenders touched the quarterback during. 399 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: The course one quarterback. Yet that's it. 400 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: Pinnock hit him and Bobby Ocaake hit him, and that's it. 401 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: That's not enough. So it was basically a no show 402 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: up front, and that can't happen. So you know, look, 403 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence, they obviously made it a big point to 404 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: try to slow him down. 405 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: And he's still limited snap count wise too, and they'll 406 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: play about half. 407 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: The same, yeah, with the hamstring, and you know, and 408 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: I think the hamstring probably plays a factor in it, 409 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: because like if you're if your forte is power and 410 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: you know, getting that power off of your snap, that's 411 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: all hamsterring, that's all lower body power. So I think 412 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: that that could have played into it as well. But yeah, 413 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: for the Giants to not be able to get pressure. 414 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: And Derek Carr, Look, he's he's gotten beaten up a 415 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: lot this year. Like I feel like every week he's 416 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: got a different injury on that. Yeah, they moved the 417 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: heck out of him. You know, there was a point 418 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: where they were cheering Taysom Hill every time he came 419 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: me in a quarterback and bowing DC. But yeah, the 420 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Giants lack of pressure really, I mean, it put the 421 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: secondary in a buying and you know, I think that's 422 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: something that you have to you got to find a 423 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: way to correct that, especially going against Philly this week. 424 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: All right, talk about Philly. They've lost three in a row. 425 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: They're gonna be a little cranky. Yeah, the Eagle fan 426 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: base is going to be a little cranky. 427 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: I think they already are. Well, yeah, they were franky 428 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: going into this Monday night game. 429 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 2: Now they're gonna be don't dress up in the Santa 430 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: outfit Christmas Day game. Theys could go very poorly for 431 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: you if you're gonna go see the game down there 432 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: at the link. But at the same time, and I 433 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: say that joking, but I do think Eagle's gonna be 434 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 2: very motivated to come out and win that football game 435 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: on Monday. Not that you need motivation at this point 436 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: of the year. They're still fighting for the NFCAST Division 437 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: with the Cowboys. But this Eagles team, there's something missing. 438 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: Showing it to me and we'll do one on offense, 439 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: one on defense to me. Offensively for them, I like 440 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: your take. They just don't dominate with the run game 441 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: like they did last year. Last year they able to 442 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: line up, pounded and just beat you running the ball 443 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: forty times a game. I don't know if it's been 444 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: is Isaac sam Ilo was not there, Is it Shane 445 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 2: Stiking not being there, whatever it is. Maybe it's you know, 446 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: Sanders is a better fit for the offense and Swift, 447 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: whatever it is, the run game is just not the 448 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: same offensively. 449 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. It doesn't seem to have the same 450 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: teeth that it did earlier this year. And it seemed like, man, 451 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: whether it was you know, gain Well coming in there 452 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: or whether it was Swift, he was just I mean, 453 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: he was running through defenses left and right like Swiss cheese. 454 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: Of course, Christmas dying run for one hundred and twenty yards. 455 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, giants, you know, you know he's our Achilles Heel 456 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: like he he is our kryptonite, So no doubt they should. 457 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: They're going to find a way to sprinkle that guy 458 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: if they can. I think when you look at just 459 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: they're trying to get Jalen Hurts out of the funk. 460 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like the shooter you know in basketball, 461 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: like just keep keep shooting, keep shooting. Eventually they'll start dropping. 462 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: And I think at some point to your point, like 463 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: Shane stykeen not there like, no, listen, things aren't going well, 464 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: let's just lean on what we do best. And I 465 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: think with that offensive line, you know, no doubt they 466 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: should be running the football a lot more. 467 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: He should. 468 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: He got he tweaked his ankle. I think they'll be 469 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: all right, you know, and and the fact that he's 470 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: got a full week to recover, but yeah, that would 471 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: be that would be huge. You know, he's one of 472 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: their best office linemen. But yeah, the office doesn't have that. 473 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: They don't they don't have that that swagger that they 474 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: had earlier the season where everything that they do, you know, 475 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: they're physically dominant, and then they've got the explosive place. 476 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: So I think Jalen Hurts has been struggling with that 477 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: as well. Holding onto the ball quite a bit, a. 478 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: Little lad, a little bit limited. 479 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: H yeah, a little late. I think nocause a great. 480 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: It's a great time for the Giants to be playing 481 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: them because they're not at their best. They're not playing 482 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: really well. And look, I think the most important part 483 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: is go out there in the first drive and make 484 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: them think about it. Like if you can get them 485 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: to go three and out stuff them right away and 486 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're second guessing what they're doing, 487 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: that could be a big part of it. 488 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Howard and Madelin palueling on the door here real quick. 489 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: On the Eagles defense. That to me, before the last 490 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 2: couple of weeks that had it been the bigger issue 491 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: with the Eagles this year. Now they've moved on the 492 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: SIA side. And Matt Patricia old friend, which by the way, 493 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 2: is kind of odd beous. His style of defense is 494 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: like a pole are opposite of everything the Eagles have 495 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 2: been this year and even last year before they lost 496 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: their defensive coordinator, you know, for man front, even man 497 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 2: front lot of zone, Matt Patricia is the opposite. So 498 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: what did you see differently from them on on the 499 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 2: net against Seattle And how do you think that might 500 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 2: impact the game against the Giants next week? 501 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. You know, for for Matt Patricia coming in, 502 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, all right, what we've been doing 503 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: in the past is and working. So the whole reason 504 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: you bring somebody else in there is let's change it up. 505 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: Let's add some wrinkles. 506 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 2: And he wasn't consultant for them, by the way before 507 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: he took. 508 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: Over, right, so he was already there. I think obviously 509 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: not having Darius Lay was a big you know, that 510 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: was a big blow to them as well. But yeah, 511 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 1: this Eagles defense looked the number one thing for them 512 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: is just pressure. And I think for us up front, 513 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: we have to find a way to block that front four. 514 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Like if they're gonna bring blitzes, we've got to have 515 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: answers for that. But we had that twelve years, like 516 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: we have not blocked us on Rednick very well at all. 517 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: And now you got Sweat on the other side, who's 518 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: been dominating Fletcher Cox. You know, I had another big 519 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: game inside sock. Yeah. If you thought the Saints Stephen 520 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: line was pretty good, you know, this Eagles defense team 521 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: know is tee and off on people. So that's first 522 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: and foremost, and obviously you know you gotta find a 523 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: way to run the football because if you throw the 524 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: ball forty five times against this Eagles defense, that's playing 525 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: right into their hands. 526 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely showing good stuff, my man. 527 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: Man, Merry Christmas. 528 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: Merry Christmas. Do you as well enjoy I have to 529 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 2: go out of rapping this week. I have not gotten 530 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: on that yet. 531 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: I don't know you're a rapper. 532 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: I do rap. 533 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: That's great. I wrap gifts, only drill rap. 534 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: Everybody, enjoy your week, Mary Christmas. Everybody will be back 535 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: next week showing we be back on the day after 536 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: Christmas with another episode of the Giants Little podcast Barti 537 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,479 Speaker 2: by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.