1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Monday edition of Fair Territory. It 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: is January twelfth, New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox. 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: Do you know where your free agent bat is? We 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: will get to that later in the show, but first, 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: let's talk about the team that actually did sign a 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: big free agent bat over the weekend, The team that 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: I wrote about last week and said they needed to 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: make a move precisely like this. Generally speaking, teams don't 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: listen to me, don't care what I write. But in 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: this case, I think I had the right idea and 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: the Cubs did the right thing. Alex Gregman five years, 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy five million. With deferrals, it's more 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: like five to one fifty or five to one fifty five, 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: but either way, he will be their third baseman next season. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: And with the Cubs doing this, they've really completed an 16 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: offseason it would seem to me that has been very 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: good in almost every way. They got a starting pitcher 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Edward Cabrera that they needed, rebuilt their bullpen with five 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: free agent signings, even brought in Tyler Austin bringing him 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: back from Japan. They've just had a really sound off 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: season for a team that, in my opinion and in 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: the opinion of a lot of people who follow them, 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: need to take a step forward. The question now is 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: what is next for the Cubs, And you see their 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: off season editions right there, and let's not forget showda 26 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: Imanaga also accepted a qualifying offer, so he's back. The 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: question with the Cubs now is would they trade Nico 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: Horner or Matt Shaw now that they have Bregmann in 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: the fold. In my opinion, I've written this, and Sahada 30 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: Sharma of The Athletic wrote it more eloquently than I've 31 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: said it today. The Cubs can't trade Horner. They shouldn't 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: trade Horner. They can entertain the thought if they'd like, 33 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: and if someone wants to offer them something ridiculous for 34 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: one year of Nico Horner, be my guest. But the 35 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: whole idea here is to build the best team possible, 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: and it's difficult to imagine the best Cubs team possible 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: not including Nico Horner. Nico Horner, yes, under club control 38 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: for only one more season. Well, guess what you know 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: what that means. It means the Cubs should sign him 40 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: to an extension, and that way they would have locked 41 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: up Horner at second, Swanson and short Bregman at third. 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: This is a team, as I've written, has very little 43 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: on their books beyond this season, so they're in perfect position, 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: as they were, for Gregman to do something along those 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: lines with Nico Horner. I know Yankee fans are lusting 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: after him, other teams probably two or other fan bases 47 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: at least, but I just don't see this happening. I 48 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: don't see it as particularly logical. So good for the 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: Cubs in getting the guy that they frankly should have 50 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: had last offseason. If you remember, they signed or attempted 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: to sign Alex Bregman for four years, one hundred and 52 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: fifteen million. They finished fourth in those sweepstakes. The Tigers 53 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: were ahead of them, other teams were ahead of them, 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: of course, the Red Sox were ahead of them, and 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: ultimately he gets much more than four to one point 56 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 1: fifteen from that team. He gets sixty million more and 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: an extra year. Good for Alex Bregman. He comes out 58 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: way ahead here. Even with the deferrals. He gets six years, 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifteen million. It's not worth that in 60 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: present day, but that is ultimately around what he wanted 61 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: so Alex Gregman, he'll be at Wrigglely next year, he'll 62 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: be at Wriggily with Edward Cabrera. And the Cubs are 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: a team that, depending upon what the Brewers do, are 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: going to be one of the favorites in the ANL Central, 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: which is what they should be every single year since 66 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: they are the biggest spender, or should be the biggest 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: spender in that particular division. Now moving on, this is 68 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: where it gets really interesting, and I touched on this 69 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: in my four takeaways on the Bregman contract Saturday night. 70 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Three big bats remain Kyle Tucker, Cody Bellinger, Boba Schet. 71 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: More than three three teams are in the hunt for 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: those big bats. More than three big market teams are 73 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: in the hunt. In fact, I've listed five. I've got 74 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: five in my head. It's the Mets, it's the Yankees, 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: it's the Phillies, it's the Dodgers, and yes, it's the 76 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: Red Sox. So if you've got five teams and the 77 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: hunt for three bats, two are going to go get 78 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: left out. One of them you would think might be 79 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: the Red Sox since they don't want to spend big 80 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: on guys like this and the other one, well, who knows. 81 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because in speaking last week with the 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: Diamondbacks official, this is when they were still mulling the 83 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: possible trade of Katel Marte, that official said, you know what, 84 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why these teams in the mix for 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: Marte are not being more aggressive with us, because he 86 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: foresaw this situation. There are not enough big bats to 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: go around. So who is going to get left out? 88 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: That's a question we're going to see answered. The Yankees 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: with Bellinger, buster only reported just a couple of days 90 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: that they are operating as if he is signing somewhere else. 91 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they won't sign him. But obviously those 92 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: negotiations have not gone well. The Athletics Brendan Cutty has 93 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: detailed that from the very beginning. So if the Yankees 94 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: get Bellinger, okay, that's the guy that they've targeted, the 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: guy they want. They're in a similar physition with him 96 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: that the Red Sox were in with Bregman. Number one priority. 97 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: That's Cody Bellinger for the New York Yankees. The Tucker 98 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: sweepstakes getting quite interesting. Jim Duquette reporting this morning again 99 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: that the three teams in the mix for Tucker are 100 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: the Mets, the Blue Jays, and the Dodgers. How this 101 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: is going to play out? I'm not exactly sure. Will 102 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: any of those teams go long with Tucker? That probably 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: is the biggest question right now. Because the Dodgers, we 104 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: know they want to go short. The Mets, we know 105 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: they want to go short. The Blue Jays, It's unclear 106 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: exactly where they are. And here's Jim's tweet from this morning. 107 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: The league's source confirmed to me that the three main 108 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: teams involved in the Tucker negotiations, Toronto, the Dodgers, and 109 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: the Mets, have all met with the player, either in 110 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: person or over zoom as part of the recruiting process. 111 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: Will be interesting to see if any of the three 112 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: teams increase their offers soon to separate themselves from the other. Now, 113 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: the real question here, perhaps is what does Tucker want. 114 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: He's a low key guy. It's hard for people who 115 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: know him, many people who know him, to envision him 116 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: wanting the Mets. Obviously, if they make the high offer, 117 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: he's going to want the Mets a little bit more 118 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: the Blue Jays. Does he want to go to Toronto? It's 119 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: still a question that some free agents have. And then 120 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: there are the Dodgers. And with the Dodgers, the reason 121 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: I kind of like them in these sweepstakes is because 122 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: with them he would be their fifth, sixth biggest star. 123 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,919 Speaker 1: He could kind of mix in and not attract the 124 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: notice he would in those other cities. But the Mets, 125 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: obviously he wouldn't be the biggest star, and with the 126 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Blue Jays he wouldn't be the biggest. But the Dodgers 127 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: have arguably the most star power of any team. So Tucker, 128 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: it's going to be a really interesting decision, really interesting 129 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: to see what he does. Now. Then there are the 130 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: Boston Red Sox, and I've saved I wouldn't call them 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: the best, but I've saved them for last. This is 132 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: not a question of saving the best for last. No, 133 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: the question with the Red Sox is what the heck 134 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: are they going to do? As I mentioned, they're not 135 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: a team that looks like they're going to be giving 136 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: Boba shed eight years, two hundred million anytime soon, or 137 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,679 Speaker 1: something to that effect. They're a team that has, from 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: the days when they failed to sign Mookie Betts kind 139 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: of had missteps at every turn. The failure to sign 140 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: MOOKI the trade of MOOKI that was the original sin. 141 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: After that, what happened. They overcompensated by giving Devers Raphael Devers, 142 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 1: a ten year, three hundred and thirteen point five million 143 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: dollar deal. I don't know that anyone when that deal 144 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: with signed thought it was a great idea, thought that 145 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: Devers was a guy that, I don't know, three four 146 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: or five years from the date of signing would still 147 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: be playing third base. He looked like a first baseman DH. 148 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: Even then, what did the Red Sox see in him? 149 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: In year two of that contract? A first baseman DH. 150 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: It's when they signed Bregman and they moved Devers over 151 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: or tried to move him over to first, wanted to 152 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: move him over to first, and we all know how 153 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: that turned out. So then you have Bregman, but you 154 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: don't sign Bregman back, and now you're left with a 155 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: whole at third base. You're left with no Devors, no Bregman. 156 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: What do you do you see there? Jen McCaffrey wrote 157 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: in letting Alex Bregman walk the Red Sox aversion to 158 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: long term deals rears its head. Now the Red Sox 159 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: can still put together a very representative team and other 160 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: executives around the league still think they're pretty good. They're 161 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: going to do some more perhaps, and maybe it won't 162 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: be a big bat. Maybe they'll go as Rob Bradford 163 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: suggested this morning, maybe they go for a high end 164 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: pitcher and then supplement themselves with lower kinds of bats, 165 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: maybe an Aoheno Suarez, maybe a jt Rio Munto, who 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: they have had interest in the past, or at least 167 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: earlier this offseason. But we'll see what happens with the 168 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: Red Sox, because right now they're in a bit of disarray. 169 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Tom Karen, one of their team broadcasters, was critical of 170 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: them on X yesterday. A whole bunch of people were 171 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: critical of them on X. Fans, media members, you name it, 172 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: and the Red Sox, when in a siege moment like this, 173 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: often overreact and often overcompensate. That was what the Devors 174 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: signing was after they failed to get Mookie done. And 175 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: let's remember Mooki said later after he was traded that 176 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: he would have signed with the Red Sox signed back 177 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: with them if they had offered him the same deal 178 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: that the Dodgers did twelve years, three hundred and sixty 179 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: five million, heavily deferred We don't know if that's true 180 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: or not. It's a hypothetical, but the Red Sox should 181 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: have signed Mooky. That again was the original sin. So 182 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: where are we now? What I wrote about the Cubs 183 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: last week is just as applicable for the Red Sox 184 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: at this moment. You're a big market team. 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Well, all right, 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: time now for the Inside Dish, the part of the 194 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: show where I go inside a story. I've written something 195 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: happening in the game, something else entirely. And today I'm 196 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: going to talk about my column that appeared this morning 197 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: in The Athletic, the one on Trek Schooble's arbitration case 198 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: with the Detroit Tigers. This case is getting a lot 199 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: of attention. It should get a lot of attention because 200 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Schooble has asked for a record amount in arbitration, thirty 201 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: two million, the Tigers have offered nineteen million. It is 202 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: the biggest spread in the history of arbitration going back 203 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: to nineteen seventy four or so. And it is a 204 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: complex nuance case that requires a good amount of thought 205 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: and a good amount of explanation. I won't go into 206 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: as much detail here as I did in the column. 207 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: The column is sort of lengthy by my standards, I guess. 208 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: But first off, let's talk about how arbitration hearings work. 209 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: I know most fans understand this, but let's just get 210 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: through it so the people who maybe aren't familiar can 211 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: get some insight into how this works. So in a hearing, 212 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: one side has submitted one number, in this case, Schooble side, 213 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: thirty two million. The other side submits another number, nineteen 214 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: million in the Tiger's case, and the arbitrator, the three 215 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: person panel independent arbitrators jointly accreed upon by the Union 216 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: and Major League Baseball, they pick one number or the other. 217 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: They don't go in between it's thirty two or nineteen 218 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: in this case. Now there is the possibility that the 219 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Tigers and school Bul could settle before the hearing takes 220 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: place in February, but in talking to people on both sides, 221 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: no one anticipates that happening. They are both entrenched in 222 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: their positions and they both have in their minds valid points. 223 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: What they're saying here is, in each case, each side 224 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: is saying the other side is trying to break from 225 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: established norms. And I'll explain that as we get into it. 226 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: Schooble made ten point one point five million last year 227 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: off his first sy Young. He then won his second 228 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: sig Young. And here we are where these two sides 229 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: are diametrically opposed in how they see what this case 230 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: should mean for Trek Scubele, Scooble and Boris believe that 231 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: his number the Tiger's number. I should say, I'm sorry 232 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: ignores the CBA. The CBA, which lists special accomplishments and 233 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: lists five plus players as players who can go outside 234 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: the normal arbitration comparisons. Usually, players are compared only to 235 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: players in their own class. That's how this works, That's 236 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: how the numbers are determined. Ultimately, when teams are negotiating 237 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: with players, when the arbitrators decide on cases that are 238 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: not settled. But Scooble can compare himself because of those 239 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: two things, special accomplishments and his status as a player 240 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: with five or more year service, he can compare himself 241 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: to all players, and that includes free agents who have 242 00:13:55,320 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: signed lucrative contracts. The Tigers see this as much different scenario. 243 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: They see Schoobl's request at far beyond what the system 244 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: has historically dictated, the system of comparables. They see him 245 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: as more comparable to the David Prices and the Jacob 246 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: de Crams of the past than anyone currently in the mix. 247 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: You might talk about Zach Wheeler at forty two million, 248 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: They're like, no, no, no, in arbitration, no one has 249 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: ever gotten that much as a pitcher, and that way 250 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Trek Scrubles should not get that much either. Now there 251 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: is a backdrop to this as well, Actually two backdrops 252 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: to all this. One is that Major League Baseball and 253 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: the Union both have stakes in this. Major League Baseball's 254 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: labor relations department is one that recommends filing numbers four teams. 255 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: They are involved in the process of arbitration, as is 256 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: the Union on the other side, involved in making recommendations 257 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: to players and their agents about what they should seek. Now, 258 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: the other backdrop, and perhaps the more interesting one the fans, 259 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: is what does this mean for Terrek Schouble as a 260 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: potential trade candidate? Now all off season, the Tigers have 261 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: sought to improve their roster and have Kyle Finnegan, Kennedy, Jansen, 262 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Labor Torres returned on a qualifying offer. They've done some things, 263 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and they have signaled that they are trying to win 264 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: in Schooble's last year of club control. But they also 265 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: have left the door open for a potential Schooble trade. Now, 266 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: I don't expect that trade necessarily to happen, and teams 267 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: always leave the door open on every possibility. That's just 268 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: how they roll. But this whole thing raises all entirely 269 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: different issue. If the Tigers are going to end up 270 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: paying thirty two million to Trek Scooble, are they more 271 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: inclined to trade him? And for all anyone knows, As 272 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: I wrote, Trek Scouble might have asked for thirty two 273 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: million trying to force the issue with them, maybe trying 274 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: to force a trade to another team. Who knows. We 275 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: don't know the answers to that. Schooble has been pretty 276 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: adamant about wanting to stay in Detroit, but at the 277 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: same time, here he sent a serious message to the 278 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Tigers about what he thinks he is worth, and what 279 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: a player is worth in arbitration is not necessarily reflective 280 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: of his value on the field. You'll see this all 281 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: the time, where a guy from zero to three years service, 282 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: an MVP type like Acunu was, for instance, when he started, 283 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: he's not getting paid a thirty million dollar salary because 284 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: he's in the zero to three class. Arbitration players in 285 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: the three to six year class, sometimes the two to 286 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: six year class, they don't get paid what free agents 287 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: get paid. That's the structure, and that's the Tigers argument. 288 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: So they have David Price's nineteen point seven five million 289 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: dollar record salary for an arbitration eligible picture to point too, 290 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: they have de Gram's record nine point six million dollar 291 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: raise for an arbitration eligible picture to point two is well, 292 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: and what they will say is that Hey, Scooble, as 293 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: good as he is, is not as good as de 294 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: Gram was in twenty eighteen when he had maybe the 295 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: best year ever for an arbitration eligible pitcher, and they 296 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: could even argue that he wasn't as good as Price, 297 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: although Price's numbers were not the same as Schooble's. Price 298 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: had more innings at a time when pitchers did pitch 299 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: more innings. Again, fascinating question and one we're going to 300 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: see play out now. Keep in mind also David Price 301 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: his arbitration salary, that record nineteen point seven to five million, 302 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: that was eleven years ago. Jacob de Gram his record 303 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: raised from seven point seven million to seventeen million. I'm sorry, 304 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: seven point six to seventeen that was six years ago. 305 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: So we're talking about a long time ago in both cases. 306 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: And Scooble and Boris, his agent, Scott Boris, would contend 307 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: since then, They would argue since then that Wan so Yoo, 308 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: another Borers client, has set the record for arbitration eligible 309 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: players at thirty one million, and they would ask the question, 310 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: why are position players in arbitration up here and pitchers 311 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: down here? Fair question. So this again is going to 312 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: go to a hearing. I wish it was on television. 313 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: I wish we could see this play out. Arbitration hearings 314 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: unfortunately are not televised. But the bottom line here is 315 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: that Schooble is the perfect guy to test this system. 316 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: Scooble might be headed for four hundred million next year 317 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: in free agency next offseason. So is he worried about 318 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: getting nineteen million rather than thirty two million, getting a 319 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: big raise rather than a massive raise? Well, I'm sure 320 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: I'd rather have the thirty two but if he has nineteen, 321 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: If he gets nineteen, it's still a big raise from 322 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: ten point one five and he's good now. Both sides, 323 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, they believe their arguments are valid. It's 324 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: impossible to know what a panel of arbitrators might do. 325 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: We routinely get surprised by their decisions year after year. 326 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: But either way, and this is the point here, this 327 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: decision is likely to have ramifications for baseball, for the Tigers, 328 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: and for Schooble that go well beyond what he's going 329 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: to earn in twenty twenty six. We'll be back with 330 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: Grill and Ken after this. 331 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: Hey, when you get a chance, subscribe to foul Territory 332 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: on YouTube. 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Gambling problem or concerned, 351 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 2: there's help called one eight hundred Gambler. 352 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: Time now for Grilling Ken, the part of the show 353 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: where I answer your questions. Let's get right to them. 354 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: First question comes from armand is amazing armand he asks 355 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: Grilling Ken, does Boba Chet sign a deal with the 356 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: Phillies today during the meeting. It's interesting you asked that 357 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: armand because I've actually had that thought. So they do 358 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: have a Zoom meeting scheduled for today, is first reported 359 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: by Matt gil And in this meeting, I'm sure the 360 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: Phillies are going to put for Burshette. And it's the 361 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: kind of thing while it's on Zoom, you sort of 362 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: don't want to let them get off the zoom without 363 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 1: getting a deal done, right. It's that old theory, don't 364 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: let him walk out of the room until he signs 365 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: a contract. You can't really do that on Zoom, I guess, 366 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: but it's the same working idea. And I go back 367 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: also to what Pete Alonso said on Foul Territory about 368 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: what the Orioles did when they met with him that 369 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: was live in person in the winter meetings. Alonso said 370 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: the Orioles made an offer showing their intent before he 371 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: even was in the meeting with them. They made that 372 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: offer before the meeting, and I imagine if the Phillies 373 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: want to be aggressive with Burshette, they will do something 374 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: along those same lines. If I had to guess right now, 375 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: I would say the Phillies are the favorite. We'll see 376 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: what happens. Next question from Tyler Macksmith, who asked, will 377 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: the Braves TV situation affect their pursuit of a starting pitcher? 378 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: Interesting question. Now, the Braves are one of the teams 379 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: affected by this main street thing that's going on, losing 380 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: their TV deals, losing their money that they previously had. 381 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: They signed Tyler Kinley a reliever, re signed them really 382 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: to a three million dollar contract over the weekend. I'm sorry, 383 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: four point twenty five for one year. Four point twenty 384 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: five million for one year for Tyler Kinley. That would 385 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: indicate to me that they can still do things. But 386 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: it is unclear for all the teams affected by this 387 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: TV situation how it is going to impact them financially. 388 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: So it's a fair question, and I guess we'll see 389 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: as this plays out how much the Braves were affected, 390 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: because here is a team that has made no secret 391 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: of its desire to add another starting pitcher. All right, 392 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: Next question, This one is from Carter Hawkins one thirteen. 393 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: Because Bob Netting isn't spending well, he has spent more 394 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: than he's spent in the past. Ryan O'Hearn two years 395 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: twenty nine million that was for their pirates, a major deal. Well, 396 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: the question is how much more can they do? And 397 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: they do need to do more, and I'm not exactly 398 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: sure how this is going to end up for them. 399 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: Aohana Suarez is a guy that they've been linked to. 400 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: He's a guy who could end up with the Red Sox. 401 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: He's gonna do fine somewhere. But if I'm the Pirates, 402 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: I want at least one more hitter and we'll see 403 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: if they accomplish that. They have been aggressive in free 404 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 1: agency to an extent that they have previously not been. 405 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: But of course O'Hearn is the only real free agent 406 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: they've landed. They've made some trades, and some good trades 407 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: that have increased payroll, but the big free agents they've 408 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: basically gone to teams that they perceive those players perceive 409 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: as more competitive. All right, let's take one more before 410 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: we cut out here. This one's from John Todd twenty 411 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: two e five d Ken, Do you have anything on 412 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: the Angels? I mean, why would they save the Rendome 413 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: money if they don't plan to spend it this year? 414 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: I'm so confused, and hopefully you can help with understanding 415 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: their plans. The Angels are another team in this TV situation, 416 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: and I wrote about a week and a half ago 417 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: that they were kind of lurking in the market. They 418 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: were thinking about doing big things. That was before the 419 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: TV stuff came down. And even at that time, our 420 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Angels beat writer Sam Blum said to me, are you 421 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: sure about this? You think they're really going to spend? 422 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Because Sam's experience told him they're not going to spend, 423 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: and right now it looks like that is more likely 424 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: than actually doing something big or even doing something meaningful 425 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: at all. And you're right, where is the rendo money? 426 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: What is the point if you're not going to reinvest it? Hey, 427 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: they didn't have to settle to Tyler skagg case. They've 428 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: had some things go against them financially. But could they 429 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: spend more? Yes, of course they could spend more. All Right, 430 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: with that, we close it out. I want to thank 431 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: everyone for watching and for listening. Foul Territory coming up 432 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: at one pm ET. Luke Weaver, Jonathan Papabon and Sean 433 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: Nukam joined AJ Presents, Eric Kratz and Scott Brown. We 434 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: will be back Thursday at our normal twelve thirty Eastern 435 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: flat with a lot of rizzo returning I talked to you. Then, 436 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: have a great week everyone,