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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.

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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. My name is Chris Poulette. I'm

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Speaker 1: an editor at how Stuff Works, and today I have

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Speaker 1: sitting next to me Jonathan Strickland, one of our writers.

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Speaker 1: I suppose I should remove the tape. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: even actually have tape. Those That was radio magic or

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Speaker 1: podcast magic if you want podcast magic. Well, the reason

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Speaker 1: Jonathan sounded muffled up front was because we were talking

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Speaker 1: today about parental controls. Yes, although I'm not his parents. No, No,

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Speaker 1: let's clear that up right away. No, he is not

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Speaker 1: my long last father. My father is is is neither

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Speaker 1: long nor lost. He doesn't have to wear a big

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Speaker 1: a lightsaber not often, Okay, alright, So anyway, parental controls

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Speaker 1: are a subject of much debate simply because you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm probably not gonna sound like, you know, an

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Speaker 1: anti censorship person. But I also have two young daughters,

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Speaker 1: one of which is uh too young to do any

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Speaker 1: started thinking about that the other day. Looked at the

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Speaker 1: mac os and there's a parental control suite built into

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Speaker 1: the operating system. Yes, just like there is for a

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Speaker 1: for Microsoft Vista, and uh, these are these are really

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Speaker 1: simple uh solutions. You know. It says turn off the

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Speaker 1: allow them to use the computer for and then you

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Speaker 1: get it to set half an hour, whole hour, three hours,

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Speaker 1: and you get to pick So those kinds of things

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Speaker 1: really okay, not censorship, but you do have some control

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Speaker 1: over how much time your your child spends using the computer. Um,

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Speaker 1: and they're built right into the operating systems, which you know,

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Speaker 1: seem pretty cool. Now. They also go farther. You can

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Speaker 1: somebody else to set those sites up, you know, and say, well, um,

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Speaker 1: But um, you know that that's essentially how it works.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, well, you know, I would like to

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Speaker 1: back when, uh, back when I was a kid, UM,

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Speaker 1: email about that, but it was the Apple to E,

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