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Speaker 1: dot Com, part of the Giants Podcast Network. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the newest edition of the Giants Huddle podcast. Today's guest

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Speaker 1: is Bob Glauber, who covers the NFL for Newsday. But

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Speaker 1: is presented by Investors Bank. And now we're joined by

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Speaker 1: our guest. He is Bob Glauber. He is the NFL

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Speaker 1: reporter for Newsday, also a Hall of Fame voter. Will

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Speaker 1: touch on that a little bit later on in the program,

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Speaker 1: but first we'll touch on some more current stuff in

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Speaker 1: terms of the NFL and the New York Football Giants. Bob,

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Speaker 1: it's good to talk to you, my friend, very very related.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. We have about a week since our

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Speaker 1: last football game now, and we got a long way

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Speaker 1: into our next one. How are you. I'm good, John,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year to you, and I think this will

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Speaker 1: be our last latest Happy New Year greeting. Um, I

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Speaker 1: think we got it. Yeah, and and honestly, as soon

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Speaker 1: Which is fine, John I've gone as far as March,

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Speaker 1: you know, if I haven't spoken to somebody. So you're good.

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Speaker 1: We're still in the middle. Excellent, All right, Bob. First

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Speaker 1: things first, obviously you're you're covering the NFL for Newsday.

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Speaker 1: What else do you have going on right now? Um? Well, allways, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, of course got the book, got some genius. Um.

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Speaker 1: Still still very pumped about that story about Bill Parcels,

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Speaker 1: Joe Gibson and Bill Walsh. What a great time the

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Speaker 1: eighties were. And I still see, you know, today's football,

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Speaker 1: and then it's the coolest thing you see it up

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Speaker 1: to and including the Super Bowl. So otherwise, just trucking along, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: like everybody else. So you know, I guess we'll start

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Speaker 1: here then. And I think this is kind of a

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Speaker 1: generic question, Bob, did you take anything out of the

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Speaker 1: you know, last six weeks of playoff football in general. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would say two lessons John. One, don't get your

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Speaker 1: God love it, Andy Reid. He just he did his

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Speaker 1: it didn't happen. I will say, though, I thought the

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Speaker 1: like the Giants against the Buffalo Bills back in ninety

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Speaker 1: and Tampa get boring, get small, go dink and dunk.

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Speaker 1: But he didn't do that, and I think it was

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Speaker 1: a fatal mistake in that. The other thing about team building, John,

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Speaker 1: is the Bucks did it differently. The Bucks had the

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Speaker 1: And the Giants, who had signed one free agent a punter,

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Speaker 1: you can do things a little differently in NFL. You

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Speaker 1: can build quicker um, especially if you have a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback at around over all things around, yes,

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Speaker 1: but still even so, and then he, you know, Brady

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Speaker 1: it revolves around Brady. But I still think now teams

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Speaker 1: All right, So I think this is a good way

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Speaker 1: see an offseason unlike any we have ever seen before

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Speaker 1: in terms of quarterback movement that John there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson to be traded. I think he's the main domino.

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Speaker 1: He's the best quarterback that is, you know, theoretically available.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, I think that's you know, a little bit

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Speaker 1: but but you never say never with these things. John

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago? Almost You know what if you if

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Speaker 1: quarterback situation. No one has ever stuck with a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And you saw that with Carson Wentz. You know, you say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you can't, you can't possibly dump this guy. Too much

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Speaker 1: salary cap probation in there, you can't do it. Well,

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Speaker 1: So I should I suppose Daniel Jones. Well, no, that

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Speaker 1: what point, Bob, do you think Dallas might sit there

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Speaker 1: that seems to be what separates them right now. Yes, No,

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Speaker 1: did last year. They just saw what what happened without him,

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Speaker 1: So I anticipate that they will try to keep him um.

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Speaker 1: But again, same example with Dallas. You just never say never.

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Speaker 1: And it's a it's it's a crazy league, and I

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Speaker 1: you need most All right, Bob, let's focus on the Giants, then,

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Speaker 1: feel the squeeze. Yes, And that's the way it's been

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Speaker 1: you can get in the second, third, four, fifth round

428
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Speaker 1: and developed them. Man, it's just it happens over over time.

429
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Speaker 1: Over history, and you've got to be able to do

430
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Speaker 1: that and and develop that. So um, I think if

431
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Speaker 1: there is a chance to build the depth around the

432
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: offensive line, they absolutely have to do it. This is

433
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: not close to uh an elite line, and it's got

434
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Speaker 1: to get closer to that. Um standing if if Daniel

435
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: Jones is gonna keep standing and getting some time, that

436
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: guy was under duress way way too much, and it's

437
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Speaker 1: there's no way to run an offense well. And I

438
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: think that's why that. I think that's a good question

439
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Speaker 1: to ask them. Bob. Do you think the Giants were

440
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: almost forced into their kind of ground and pound conservative

441
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,719
Speaker 1: offensive approach run the ball a lot simply based on

442
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Speaker 1: the performance of the line, and as we talked about,

443
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Speaker 1: you know, the lack of that true number one outside

444
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: receiver and of course the Kanbarcley's and your two it

445
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: has probably something to do with that. Were they forced

446
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Speaker 1: into that approach, do you think they would prefer to

447
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: try to open things up a little bit if the

448
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Speaker 1: talent on the field would allow them to. Oh, I

449
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question, John that you know, offense

450
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 1: in today's NFL is open, and the Giants were the

451
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 1: outlier by having the ground and they were That is

452
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: not normal in today's NFL. Right maybe maybe in Rex

453
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 1: Ryan's Jets era it works not now, So yes, they

454
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: absolutely were forced into that. Now, fortunately they were competitive

455
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Speaker 1: because Patrick Graham's defense did a good enough job to

456
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Speaker 1: keep them in games and they could play that. Sometimes

457
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Speaker 1: you're just like at at if you didn't have a

458
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: good defense, you're at other team's mercy and you got

459
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Speaker 1: no shot. They had a shot, and they stayed in

460
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Speaker 1: the division of you know, admittedly bad division the whole

461
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Speaker 1: way because the defense allowed them to be conservative on offense.

462
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Speaker 1: But just it's just the way to make a living.

463
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: And Joe Judge, I'm sure when he gets the right

464
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: pieces around his team offensively, you are going to see

465
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Speaker 1: I can't wait if I hope that day happens, because

466
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an aggressive coach and

467
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Speaker 1: he is gonna he's gonna be fun to watch. That

468
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: team is gonna be fun to watch. But for for now,

469
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: he was locked into the way he you know, coached.

470
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Speaker 1: And I remember Tom Coughlin toward the latter of years

471
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Speaker 1: of his career with the Giants. Every had terrible defenses, right,

472
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Speaker 1: It was just brutal, and he takes so many more

473
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Speaker 1: chances on offense, especially fourth downs often fail. But he said,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, I had to coach that way because I

475
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Speaker 1: can't count on the defense. And that's that's how you know,

476
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Speaker 1: you have to adapt your coaching. You have to adapt

477
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Speaker 1: to your personnel. And that's why when you have a

478
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Speaker 1: really good team, you can take more chances. And you'll

479
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Speaker 1: see Joe Judge do that, assuming that you know the

480
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Speaker 1: talent improves on both sides of the ball, but particularly

481
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Speaker 1: on offense. And you mentioned how the defense carried them

482
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Speaker 1: through this year and when they had their little winning

483
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Speaker 1: streak in the middle of the year, it was really

484
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Speaker 1: their defense, Bob, that carried them through that. Your thoughts

485
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Speaker 1: on kind of where that defense is. Is that something

486
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Speaker 1: where you can continue to see some improvement. Do you

487
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Speaker 1: think in order to get improvement they need, you know,

488
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Speaker 1: more talent, better players. Just your overall thoughts on where

489
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Speaker 1: the defense is and where they're headed and how the

490
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Speaker 1: Giants should handle continue development on that side of the ball. No,

491
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Speaker 1: I think the defense is in pretty good shape. Um,

492
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Speaker 1: you know, Blake Martinez was a really good free agent signing,

493
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Speaker 1: so was Brad Berry. Um, if you can keep Leonard

494
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Speaker 1: Williams and or Dalvin Tomlinson again, Eileen, I mean keeping Williams.

495
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Speaker 1: You know, you've got some things, You've got some talent

496
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Speaker 1: to work with there, but you always have to always

497
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: have to keep trying to get better. Um. And I

498
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: think the acquisitions, UM, we're good. And you know, Dave

499
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: Gentleman had a good year in free agency, especially on

500
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Speaker 1: the defense, and that helped that team immeasurably. And but

501
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta just keep grinding, you gotta keep finding,

502
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, ways you didn't get Chase Young, so you

503
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: know you gotta try to, you know, manufacture a pass rush. Now,

504
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: if you can get that pass rusher. Um. Again, I

505
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: think I think receiver takes priority early in the draft

506
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: this year. But you know, if you can improve that

507
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Speaker 1: pass rush, you know, as as everyone knows watching Lawrence Taylor,

508
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: you're you're certainly going to be closer to a championship

509
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: when you got a guy like that, you know the difference, Bob.

510
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Speaker 1: I think we talked about how there's so many receivers

511
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Speaker 1: available now in the draft. That has not been the

512
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Speaker 1: case for pass rushers, even though more college teams are passing,

513
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: passing passing. We aren't seeing this influx of guys that

514
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Speaker 1: all know how to rush the passer off the edge.

515
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: That's as scarce of a position as it's always been.

516
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: Where trying to find that guy that can went off

517
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: the edge one on one consistently just proves to be

518
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: in the draft very difficult, they're just not many of them,

519
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: and in free agency very very cost prohibited. Yeah, and

520
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: that's why Leonard Williams becomes such a priority because you've

521
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: got a guy who can get to the to the passer.

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00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: He does it more from the interior, which is actually,

523
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, a benefit because you know, it's a straighter

524
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: line to the quarterback from inside than it is from outside.

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're you're right, that position has been kind

526
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: of getting it's getting scarce where you can find a

527
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: pass rusher. Now, if you think the Giants have a band,

528
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: the Jets haven't had a legitimate pass rusher since Sean

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Speaker 1: Ellis and he was drafted in two thousand. So there's

530
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: a drought there for you, my man. You know, it's, uh,

531
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: it's really slim pickings for for a lot of teams,

532
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: and uh, but that's you know, you just have to

533
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: be able to get uh some kind of pass rush

534
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: manufacturer if you have to, but try to get that formula.

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00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: You saw it in the Super Bowl, Uh with GPP

536
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: and Shack Barrett. They were able to get their linebackers

537
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: free and Patrick Mahomes didn't have a chance against that defense.

538
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: And that's the way Steve Spagnolo played it in the

539
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: two thousand seven Super Bowl against the previously I'm beating Patriots.

540
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: He got a four man rush and you're so much

541
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: better off that way. But you know, not every you

542
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: can't always find a great pass rusher who is going

543
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: to be a down lineman. Uh. You know, now you

544
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: try to get the edge, but they're they're just not

545
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, it's very very difficult, very difficult. And

546
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Speaker 1: the way we talked Bob, and we're talking to Bob

547
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Glabber from Newsday about how maybe the Giants had to

548
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: be a little bit conservative on offense because of their talent.

549
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: I would love to see Patrick Graham be able to

550
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: get a little bit more creative on defense. And I

551
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: think if they can figure out a way to add

552
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: a second or maybe even you know, a third, you

553
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: can never have enough of them really good cover corner

554
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: that you can trust to cover man on man across

555
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: from James Bradberry. I think that could really open things

556
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Speaker 1: up for Patrick Graham. Well, last year a lot of

557
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: stuff with zones, and he was creative with the skies

558
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. But if he's able to mix

559
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: in some more you know, cover one man to man,

560
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: if you can trust his DBS to cover one on one,

561
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: I think that could take this defense potentially up to

562
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: another level. Two. Yep, there's no question when you have

563
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: a better operation on the back end, you can take

564
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: more chances, and you can you can even you know,

565
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: send more blitzers you know, um Logan Ryan if you

566
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Speaker 1: want to um uh any any number of you know, linebackers,

567
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: or you can get more exotic and and surely Patrick

568
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: Graham has seen Bill Belichick um come up with blitz

569
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: is when he's got good personnel and he's learned a

570
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: ton from from the master that zone man combo coverage. Um,

571
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: it's a staple now of Bill Belichick's defense, and now

572
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: it's a staple of Patrick Graham. And you saw a

573
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: lot of that last year. But you know, trying to

574
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: get the pass rush, you know, it's it's it's a

575
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: tough thing, but their pass rush this past year was

576
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: was much better than it had been so and and

577
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Speaker 1: Leonard Williams is one of the big reasons for that

578
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Speaker 1: last question, specifically the Giants that I want to get

579
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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame stuff, Bob, and we're joined

580
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: by Bob Glauber. Generically, you know, you follow not just

581
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: in New York teams, Bob, you cover the whole league.

582
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Speaker 1: When you look at the Giants base of talent, where

583
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Speaker 1: they are in their team building, their coaching staff, the

584
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Speaker 1: whole package. Where are they in their development? How far

585
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Speaker 1: away are they from you know, winning a division And

586
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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about going seven and nine and winning

587
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: a division. I'm talking about winning ten games and winning

588
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: a division and you know, maybe winning a playoff game.

589
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Speaker 1: Where do you see them in that progression based on

590
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: what you see from other teams around the league. Yeah,

591
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: that's a good question, John. I would say they're fairly close. Um,

592
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Speaker 1: they're not. They're not like light years away from competing.

593
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Speaker 1: And you saw it. They were. They were competitive games

594
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: against good teams and that's a really good sign. So

595
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it's too far away. Got to get

596
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: the offensive line better, gotta get targets and got to

597
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: get the pass rush. So you look easier said than done.

598
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, and really, I mean those are like, those

599
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: are three premium positions. Yes, yes, you know, those are

600
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: three premium places you've got to improve your team. But

601
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things Joe Judge provided

602
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: this year's team is belief, belief that you can compete,

603
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: belief that you can win. And that was big and

604
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: that will carry that team a long way. They sniffed

605
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: it this year. They got a taste of it. That

606
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: win in Seattle was potentially a franchise changing moment. Now

607
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: it didn't pan out because they kind of slumped after it,

608
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: they didn't follow up enough um, but they'll they'll taste

609
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: it again. And when you can be competitive with the

610
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: best teams in the league, you know you have a chance.

611
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: You start believing, you get some more personnel, and you

612
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: improve it. So I I think they're they're closer than

613
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: a six and ten record would suggest that we've seen

614
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: countless examples, John of teams that go from worst to first.

615
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: I think, for I believe in the last twenty years,

616
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Speaker 1: there has been one team that has gone from from

617
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Speaker 1: last place to first, you know, to the playoffs, and

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00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: that's indicative of a league that you always have a chance.

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Speaker 1: And just if you build smart and you've got a

620
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: quarterback and you've got a coach, you're you're in good shape. Well, well,

621
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Speaker 1: I think they got the coach. We don't know if

622
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Speaker 1: they have the quarterback um, and they've got a roster

623
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Speaker 1: that is certainly more competitive than they have been in

624
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. All right, let's talk about

625
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: the Hall of fameable Bob. I want to look into

626
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the future a little bit in terms of maybe a

627
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: couple of giant names in a second. But I thought

628
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: this year's class was fantastic. First of all, how different

629
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Speaker 1: was the process? And know, usually youse guys kind of

630
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: all try to get in a room together right at

631
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and do this in person. So how

632
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: different wasn't this year? I imagine having to do everything virtually. Yeah,

633
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: it was different. I mean we took a Tuesday a

634
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: couple of weeks before, uh, the announcements were made. I

635
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: found it to be, you know, easier in a way

636
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: because you know, you could you could think a little

637
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: bit more. And it wasn't you know, you're physically, you know,

638
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: in a in a better spot, even though it's virtual.

639
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Speaker 1: And I thought it went really well. I think the

640
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: conversations are always really good, intense, um, educational, and you know,

641
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: we got Tony Dungee in there this year and it

642
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: was his first year. I loved watching him UM go

643
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: through the dynamics of uh, you know, how to vote

644
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: John when you get fifteen finalists, and even those fifteen

645
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: finalists comes from a huge pool of really great deserving players.

646
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: You get fifteen and you can only put five in

647
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: this so the math is terrible. Right, You're gonna get

648
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: ten players that should be a Hall of Famers that

649
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: aren't going to be Hall of Famers. And it's really

650
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: hard process, fascinating process. And I've seen over years. This

651
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: was my eleventh year doing it, UM, and I see

652
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: these log jam's break and it's fascinating to watch. We

653
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: had maybe seven years ago, there was three three receivers,

654
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: Tim Brown, Chris carter Um and Andre Reid. They couldn't

655
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: get in. They just kept canceling each other out. So

656
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: so one year it's like, okay, we we've got to

657
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: end this log jam. We we have to do it.

658
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: So then at first it was Carter, and it was

659
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: Tim Brown, then Andrew. It goes through this past the

660
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: last couple of years, it was the offensive line, Kevin Mawai.

661
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: He goes through, you know, Steve Hutchinson last year, UM

662
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: and Alan Fantica this year. So that log jam is

663
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: breaking still. Tony BASSELLI he'll get in UM, but he

664
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: hasn't gotten in just yet. Longevity is an issue there.

665
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: So so these log jams do UM sort themselves out.

666
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Fascinating process. John Lynch got got through this year. I

667
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: think it was a ninth or tenth time as a

668
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: finalist UM and and they all seem to work themselves

669
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 1: out sometimes though, John, you know, you get a Clay

670
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Matthews that was your twenty of eligibility as a modern

671
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: day finalist, and he didn't get in. So he goes

672
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: into the seniors pool and there's only only one senior

673
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: per year it gets in. I'd like to see two

674
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: or three get in. I think you have to open

675
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: that up a little bit more, because you get on

676
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: that line, man, you're gonna wait a long long time. Yeah,

677
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: I know Carl Banks was involved in that conversation a

678
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Was two right, yes, yep, Carl Banks.

679
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: You know, Carl I believe was a semifinalist last year. Right,

680
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: But you know that's where it gets. It gets tricky,

681
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: and it gets dicey, and you wait a long time.

682
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: You know, Joe Klecko made a Pro Bowl or All

683
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: Pro at three different positions with the Jets, and he's

684
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: now a senior. So I don't know when his time

685
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: will come, if if ever. So you know we put

686
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: the seniors. Was Drew Pearson was the senior this year

687
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: and he retired a long time ago. Um, it just

688
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: it just happens. We've had seniors put in from like

689
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties and that's how that's how far back

690
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: that is. So it is it is problematic if you

691
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: don't get in that that twenty year stretch. Uh. You

692
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: know from from your last year of retirement you mentioned

693
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: the log jam, Bob, Who are the guys right now

694
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: that are right at the precipice of that log jam

695
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: that you think are ready to pop through? Well, I

696
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: mentioned Tony Boselli before. I think he'll he'll get through.

697
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: Leroy Butler, the safety for the Packers. Now he remains

698
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I think the only first team All decade player who

699
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: is not in the Hall of Fame from uh you know,

700
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: like the whether you make it in the nineties, so

701
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: he I think he'll get through at some point. Um,

702
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: And you look at the other finalist, Richard Seymour is

703
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: a guy who keeps coming close but doesn't get in.

704
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: I think he is a Hall of Fame talent um.

705
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: Former Patriots defensive lineman. He you know, he was very

706
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: selfless in that defense. And but talked to Bill Belichick

707
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: and that guy was indispensable to championship teams. So those

708
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: are a couple of names that I think will get

709
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: in pretty soon. And you mentioned Leroy Butler and the

710
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: reason this other name popped to mind right away, I

711
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: think he was a semifinals. Darren Woodson's another safety from

712
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: the nineties to right that's got consideration. You know, Woodson

713
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: didn't get to the finals this year, so I fear

714
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: for him a little bit. I think he is on

715
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: a par with Leroy Butler. And I know Bill Parcels

716
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: coached Darren Woodson in Dallas, loves him, swears by him,

717
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: and thinks he should be a Hall of Famer ahead

718
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: of perhaps some guys who are in. Now you know

719
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: at Order got in. At Order waited a long time.

720
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: Former Denver Bronco. He got in last year. So that's

721
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: how this this thing goes. It's um it's a slow process.

722
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: But everybody who gets in is you know, is rewarded

723
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: then certainly deserving of getting in. Will Shields was a

724
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: guy who waited a long time, the former Kansas City guard. Um.

725
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I think he went like eight or nine years, and

726
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: he was a perfect candidate. But you know, it does

727
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: take time. So Harry Carson a right, Harry, Harry quit

728
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: the processor, tried to one year and I'm like, Harry,

729
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing? He goes, I've had it so okay. Um,

730
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: but you know he got in the next year. I

731
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: think that that probably helped his cause because people saw

732
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: the frustration. But but that's that's how it goes. John,

733
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: unless you are Peyton Manning, Brett Farve, uh Dan Marino,

734
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: John Elway, Joe Montana, you know, unless you are a

735
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: guy who just there's just no question, it does take

736
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: some time. Now, Calvin Washington got in on the first

737
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: go round. He is a Hall of Fame player. You

738
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: could have argued that, well, you know, nine years. The

739
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: guys waiting Um, Tory Holt, Reggie Wayne didn't get in UM.

740
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: So there are arguments to be made. And the percentage

741
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: of first ballot Hall of Famers move, you know, in

742
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: recent times, it is very high. So what that means

743
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: is that, you know, the guys who are on the

744
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: periphery a little bit, they keep getting set back. And

745
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: that's where you know, we as voters, you know, we

746
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: struggle because we know that if we vote for a

747
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: guy in the first ballot, someone who has been waiting

748
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: a while is going to have to wait longer. And

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: that becomes a problem. Just a couple more, Bob, I

750
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: have to speak up for one of my cohorts over here.

751
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: Can we get another punter in the Hall of Fame?

752
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 1: How about Jeff f Eagel's baby? How close is he? What?

753
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: What do we need to do, Bob, to grease the

754
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: wheels for Figs? Talk to me? You know Figs gets

755
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: gets a lot of love in the early rounds of it. Um.

756
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: You can you can go back? Can I? Can I

757
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: go back further for a punter? Can can you? Can

758
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: you talk about Sean Nandetta and only you talk about

759
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: Jeff Fiegel? Sorry, now both of us you know, Jeff

760
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: will tell you that Landetta, I mean he both of

761
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: them are are certainly deserving of it, like Steve Tasker

762
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: as well, another special teamer. UM kickers. You know Morten

763
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Anderson got in. That was a big deal. It took

764
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: him a while to get through. Um, it's harder for

765
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: special teamers because they're going against regular, you know, starting

766
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: offensive and defensive players and not you know, the NOD

767
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: is always going to go to a more of a

768
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: full time players. It's about a knock on on a

769
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: punter or a kicker. It's just it just is. And

770
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: that's why when I talked before about you got fifteen

771
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: finalists and five spots. So it's really really tricky. But

772
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: flips and Fiegel's knows, he knows how I feel about him.

773
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: And I'd love to see Jeff Feudals get in. I'd

774
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: love to see Sean Lendetta get in. Um they're deserving.

775
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: Maybe they get maybe they get it to the point

776
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: where they have a Special Teams category. Um, you know,

777
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: we've got now a coach's category, and I think that's

778
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: a good thing. Uh So, I I always and I've

779
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: been telling the Hall of Fame people for years give

780
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: us some more spots. Please, gotta get some more spots.

781
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: Hard But then those log jams do work themselves out,

782
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: but like it's harder for special teamers. Um, that log

783
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: jam is real and it exists, and that that's a

784
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: tough one. So the paint Man conversation this year took

785
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: about like a second and a half. I imagine it

786
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: was second. Now here's my sense and and and that

787
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: was my kickoff point for the next guy. My sense

788
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: is that people on Twitter and fans really like to

789
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: argue about whether or not Eli Man is going to

790
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame. My feeling, and you tell

791
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong about this or maybe you don't know.

792
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: I I don't know the answer to this that I

793
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: feel like the questions about that on the outside are

794
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: probably a little bit louder than they're gonna then they're

795
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: going to be when you guys meet inside that room

796
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: and discuss his candidacy. Do you think that's fair? Do

797
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: you think that is going to be a really tight

798
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: process for Eli Oh. I think it'll be a tight

799
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: process for Eli. I think that that will take some doing. Um,

800
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: I think there is skepticism, uh in the room. I

801
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: think there will be skepticism in the room. I can't

802
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: swear to it, but in initial discussions with people, I

803
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: think there is that uh so. And also look at this,

804
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: remember this now, Drew Brees is probably gonna retire this year.

805
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: So if Eli Manning doesn't get in the first year,

806
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: he's not he's not a sure file fire first ballot

807
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, He's just not. So then if you know,

808
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: doesn't get in his first year, and then you got

809
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: Drew Brees coming in the room, all right, Then you

810
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: got Philip Rivers coming in the room. Then you've got

811
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: other players coming in in the room, and it's and

812
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: it becomes problematic. So you know, it's it's in the

813
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: lie's best interest to have a fear. I don't want

814
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: to say weak class. There's never a weak class. But

815
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: if he's got a chance on that first ballot, it's

816
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: gonna be much easier early rather than you know, if

817
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: he gets into a log jam with others, it may

818
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: take a while. Now, how do you measure this? Then,

819
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Bobby's I think this this is kind of my last

820
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: question the whole of fame process. And I thank you

821
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: again for all your time. You know you talked about

822
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: the length of a career. You know, you mentioned Calvin Johnson,

823
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: you know, not the longest career, but long enough. Tony

824
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: Biselli his career got cut sho up by injury. Trelle

825
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: Davis is the perfect example. Right, had three or four

826
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: dominant years, but then knee injuries forces retirement. Then you've

827
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: a guy like Eli right who you look at his

828
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: regular season statistics and they and they don't jump off

829
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: the page, maybe as much as some other people, but

830
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: obviously his playoff success is second to none. So how

831
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: do you guys compartmentalize those different things? What counts more,

832
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: what counts lesson? And how do you parse all those

833
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: separate things to figure out who is most deserving? You know,

834
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: that's a that's a really tough um. It's a good question.

835
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: It's a tough situation because it's hard to compartmentalize, and

836
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think you can entirely. But you know, Eli's

837
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: best thing going for him is that he I think

838
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: he said to himself, because I want Tom Brady to

839
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: keep winning and keep winning, keep winning, because like my

840
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: wins look even better. I don't know if he said

841
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: that or someone said that on his bad um, but

842
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: his playoff, you know, performance has been remarkable and that's

843
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: what's going to get him into all of fame more

844
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: than anything else. But I think though that you know,

845
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: it's up to me um in explaining it, that you

846
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: gotta put the especially the last part of elime and

847
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: his career into context. He did not have a lot

848
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: to work with. Now the argument will be, well, John

849
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Elway didn't either, and he got and that's true. Dan

850
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: Marino didn't, So you know, I think they're better pure

851
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: core backs with limited resources, so they're they're examples. But

852
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: you know, Eli is top ten and just about every

853
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: important passing category at the time he retired. Um, I

854
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: think the resume is is worth it, it's worthwhile. I

855
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: think it's it's a Hall of Fame resume. So I

856
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: think you will get in over time. It's just a

857
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: matter of how much time that's going to take. Interesting,

858
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: all right, Two more questions, Bob. One basic question, how

859
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: much different do you think this NFL offseason and season

860
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: upcoming is going to be. I know Roger Goodell kind

861
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: of did the well, you know, we have to see

862
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: how what the country looks like, which, by the way,

863
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: I think is the exact right way, right way to

864
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: approach it. To predict what August is going to look like.

865
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: In in February, you might as well guess what the

866
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: weather is gonna be three months from now. Who the

867
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: hell knows, But what's your feel I guess we could

868
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: talk about the sooner stuff, because that's probably what you

869
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: have a better feel for. Is this going to be

870
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: pretty much a completely virtual off season? You think, at

871
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: least for the next four or five months through the draft,

872
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: very similar to what we saw last year. Yes, I

873
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: think there might be some in person UM visits, but

874
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: I think that for the most part, it's going to

875
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: be virtual for the for the foreseeable future. Now, once

876
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: vaccinat vaccination rates improve, once um infection rates decline, which

877
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: knock on wood, you know, things are trending well in

878
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: both situations, But until that happens on a consistent basis,

879
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: I think we'll see the virtual UM at least for

880
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. But now, looking ahead to next season,

881
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, they got through a year that was remarkable.

882
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm I'm marvel at how they did it,

883
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: getting through an entire season, not canceling any games, still

884
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: getting to the playoffs on time and getting through the

885
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm I'm stunned because I didn't expect it,

886
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: you know, last March Seahn it was like, now, how

887
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? This is funny? I thought that too,

888
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: And then I I got a chance to work in

889
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: that building from September to November. Once they in those

890
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: extra you know, extra strict things, that's when they kicked

891
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: people like me out of there. But what I what

892
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: I saw for those three months, and the way everyone

893
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: had to adjust and the protocols. Man, you cannot give

894
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: the staffs, the players, the coaches enough credit because it sucked.

895
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it was not fun like the way I

896
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: mean you like, I had a coach walking down the

897
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: hall and it's like you're like, you know, skulking. The

898
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: ability I got, like press yourself up against the walls,

899
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: you get so you don't get within six ft of them.

900
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: It was just it was just such a such a haul.

901
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: And for the way everyone you know managed it, and

902
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: frankly their families who also then couldn't go out and

903
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: do anything, how they managed it. Uh to me, I'm

904
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: with you. I think it's absolutely amazing. And and and

905
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: a minor miracle and everyone deserved a ton of credit

906
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: for Yeah, there's there's no question, John, and it was.

907
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: It was incredible. Um. I had to deal a lot

908
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: with you know, on the writer's end, you know, dealing

909
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: with the league and trying to get our protocols set,

910
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: trying to get our writers into watch practice, certainly from

911
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: a distance. Um. And then don't forget I remember in

912
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: March and April. You know you're looking at football, right football,

913
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: They're breathing on each other every play? Are they? How

914
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: are they gonna do this? Well, we learned something very

915
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: very important that I don't know that there was a

916
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: single transmission player to player on the field of play.

917
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: And I don't think you've had in any major sport.

918
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: We've we'll we haven't seen that in soccer overseas. We

919
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: haven't seen in the NBA so far. You wouldn't think it.

920
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: But it just shows you how little we really know, right, Yeah,

921
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: and we learned a lot. They learned a lot. So

922
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I you know, I think moving forward, the NFL will

923
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: I think there will be fans in the stands for season,

924
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: not full not full houses. I think it'll be distanced,

925
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 1: but I think they will start to get fans back

926
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: in buildings, and you know, hopefully the transmission rates will

927
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: be reduced, and um, we're hopefully going to be in

928
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: a better spot again. I I'm optimistic that that we

929
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: can and will be because I think there is a

930
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: sort of effort now to get everyone vaccinated to It's

931
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: not it's not everywhere, because there's some pockets of the

932
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: country that just are acting like it's just the flu

933
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: and it's not a big deal. But I think overall, um,

934
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: we're going to be in a in a better position

935
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: and that will help the NFL. God willing, And I

936
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: asked one question for Fiel's I have to ask one

937
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: question for Datino. Now, at some point, Bob are is

938
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: media and maybe not this year. Who knows when it's

939
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna be. Are we going to have media back in

940
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: locker rooms during the week and after games on Sundays

941
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: and and and get away from this virtual stuff at

942
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: some point? Oh? I hope so at some point. Heck

943
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: hope so at some point. No, I don't think it

944
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: will happen in But like I I sit on our

945
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: Pro Football Writer's meeting a couple of weeks ago, this

946
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: is a people business. This is a relationships business. And

947
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: when you take that away, we we did a we

948
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: collectively did a good job. I'm not patting ourselves and

949
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: we just did. But you know what, we faked it, John,

950
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: We all faked our way through. We did we did right.

951
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's come on, come on, so you can't

952
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: that's not a loan. This is not a long term

953
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: strategy or solution. And it's in everyone's best interest that

954
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: we get to interact more with players. Why because you know,

955
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: the owners make money when their product gets attention and

956
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: people cover it and get interested in it. You create

957
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: the interest with more coverage and the like you you

958
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: you create more interesting coverage by getting to know these guys,

959
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: and you know, over time it's it's gotten reduced, you know.

960
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: Jeff Eiagels goes back to a time when we could

961
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 1: just hang out in a locker room and shoot the breeze,

962
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: and um, you go back even further. Tom during the

963
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: during the eight day of the Parcels Giants, we would

964
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: go in a locker room for lunch forty five minutes,

965
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: talk to any assistant coach who wanted to for as

966
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: long as we wanted to. Bill Belichick would scribble plays

967
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: on my notebook. Whenever I asked him to a we'd

968
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: watch every second of practice. We go into the locker

969
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: room after practice for an indefinite period of time. Okay,

970
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: there were couches in that locker room. We would have

971
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: to sit down on the couches because we're standing for

972
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: so long. That's out. Now it's forty five minutes tops

973
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: at lunch and that's it. Fellas. You know, when you

974
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: get twenty minutes in the start of practice, it's much

975
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: more restrictive. But even that, you know, you you get

976
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: to know players and you have to be in that

977
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: position where you've got to interact. And if you don't, um,

978
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, fine, you you want to make the rules

979
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: like that, but I think you're gonna not make as

980
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: much money um by creating, you know, making it difficult

981
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: for for writers and for broadcasters to kind of get

982
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: the story and build the interests. So it's in everybody's

983
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: best interest to, you know, to bring it back to

984
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: what it was. Give me one fun bob globber before

985
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: we say goodbye. Bold prediction for the one offseason. It

986
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: could be Giants, it could be Jets, it could be

987
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback, it could be draft free agency Lee wide. You, Bob,

988
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: give me one fun Bob glob or bold prediction over

989
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: the next six months to a year. Wow, bold prediction.

990
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: It's not bold to say that DeShawn Watson won't be

991
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: in Houston, is it. Uh, it's not bold to think

992
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: that Sam Donald won't be with the Jets. So I'll say,

993
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Uh, Sam Donald to the San Francisco forty

994
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Niners and they make the playoffs this year? Does that

995
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: mean Deshaun Watson to the Jets? Is that what you're

996
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: saying would go to the Jets. But even if DeShawn

997
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: Watson didn't go to the Jets, they still draft a quarterback.

998
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: And you know it's fifty fifty. But if if Sam

999
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: Donald gets traded, he goes to San Francisco, Kyle Shanahan

1000
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: turns him into a playoff quarterback, Jet fans misery continues,

1001
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe the Giants make the playoffs. So

1002
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: there's your trifect. I love that thing in San Francisco, Bob.

1003
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:51,479
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think it would be a great

1004
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: fit for that kid. And and you know what, I

1005
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: still think he can play. I love to come me

1006
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: out of the draft. I am I'm still holding onto

1007
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: my property on Sam donald Island. I hopefully, I hopefully

1008
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't get repussed at some point. Yeah, he's a

1009
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: prose pro to just in terms of his his attitude

1010
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: and willingness to learn. So here's here's the Jets can

1011
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: actually be better off potentially keeping him coaching him up,

1012
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: even if they draft another quarterback. Unless they get the

1013
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Shawn Watson, then all bets are off. But if you

1014
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: keep Donald, develop him, you got a shot with him

1015
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,479
Speaker 1: because he's still owns rookie contract. At the same point,

1016
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: get him some help, just like the Giants will try

1017
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: to do with Dan Jones is offseason. Bob, this was

1018
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. You gave us a lot of time,

1019
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: but it was a wide ranging discussion. I think we

1020
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: had a lot of interesting stuff. I'm sure the fans

1021
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: are going to enjoy it. Thanks so much. Enjoy whatever

1022
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: an off season is for someone like you where you

1023
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: where you're probably busier into the next four months than

1024
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: you are for the prior for but enjoy it the

1025
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: best you can. Okay, thanks a lot, John, great talking

1026
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: to you. That's Bob Globber from Newsday, their NFL reporter.

1027
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,520
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1028
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: edition of The Giant Subtle Podcast. You can find it

1029
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,000
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1030
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,440
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1031
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1032
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1033
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