Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March fourteen.
Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 3: Jaguar's Happy Hour is presented by the Saint John's River
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Speaker 3: Snickers bars. It's TV's Kai Stevens.
Speaker 4: Oh, I wish there were Snickers bars that came with
Speaker 4: this job. Snickers Over in the other field training camp
Speaker 4: they bring out ice cream snickers for all the players
Speaker 4: during training camp. And yes, I do partake in that.
Speaker 4: Kay Stevens filling in for J. P. Shadwick. Jeff Logoman
Speaker 4: not in as well. So I have some guests with
Speaker 4: me today. But it's a big day here in Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: We've got all these new faces coming in a bit
Speaker 4: of a carousel of everybody. We've got to meet all
Speaker 4: these new players today. It's exciting time.
Speaker 1: Can John sit down?
Speaker 4: John Oser is joining us up to the minute.
Speaker 1: Right to make sure it was good with you.
Speaker 4: I do appreciate that Bran Sexton is also with us today.
Speaker 1: Worried about him standing over there.
Speaker 4: I know. I don't want him to feel left out.
Speaker 1: It's a busy day, I mean it's for sure. When
Speaker 1: they get these guys in here, they meet with the coaches,
Speaker 1: they take the photos, they meet with the media. It's
Speaker 1: a whirlwind for them.
Speaker 4: It is, John, thank you for joining us. We're here
Speaker 4: on Happy Hour, of course, brought to you by Saint
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Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 4: We were just talking about all these carousel we've been
Speaker 4: going through with people, right, So we've had five different
Speaker 4: players coming in and four were signed free agents, and
Speaker 4: then of course Mac Jones that was traded for that
Speaker 4: one official this afternoon. So it's exciting to see all
Speaker 4: these new faces coming to town and potentially more things happening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we had Mitch Morse yesterday, and I think
Speaker 5: collectively you got an idea that they're all impressive. They
Speaker 5: all seem to have pretty solid leadership qualities. And Gabe
Speaker 5: Davis was a captain this year for the Bills and
Speaker 5: other players who have that feel.
Speaker 2: Mitch Moore certainly has that feel.
Speaker 5: So you know, look, I'm not sure that this is
Speaker 5: the most high profile group of freegens they've ever had,
Speaker 5: but I think it fits what they needed to do,
Speaker 5: and I think it fit what they could do within
Speaker 5: the cap constraints. And they all make sense, which to
Speaker 5: me is the first step. I'm sort of past the point, Brian,
Speaker 5: where I'm gonna get cartwheel excited over the free agency class.
Speaker 5: But I think these guys make sense for what they're
Speaker 5: trying to do. Well.
Speaker 1: They spent one hundred and seventy five million dollars, set
Speaker 1: a new league record a few years back. Right, they
Speaker 1: didn't have that kind of money. They couldn't go and
Speaker 1: play in the high dollar free agency. It wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be the glitzy, glamorous class. I think we all
Speaker 1: agreed that the More signing was the one that we
Speaker 1: were all most excited about because it was such a glaring.
Speaker 4: Need, huge for the team.
Speaker 1: Yes, they they lacked the ability to convert third down
Speaker 1: and short. Right, they lacked the ability to be consistent
Speaker 1: with the running game up the middle, and it hampered
Speaker 1: their offense. You could see the way the teams defended
Speaker 1: them as they figured out they're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to move the ball on us in the A gaps.
Speaker 2: And I'll interrupt here.
Speaker 5: Ian Rappaport is reporting that Eric Armstead is close to
Speaker 5: a deal with the Jaguars, So we don't know that officially.
Speaker 4: We love some breaking reports.
Speaker 5: That's uh, you know, wrap is pretty good what he does. Listen,
Speaker 5: and that's size in the middles making out Yeah, six seven,
Speaker 5: he's a two hundred ninety five pound guy, an area
Speaker 5: that they need to be stouter.
Speaker 1: Here's a question, how in the world are they getting
Speaker 1: it done? Right?
Speaker 2: If they sign it and it's a witchcraft, Well look.
Speaker 4: I have to know math Brian stop bringing us down,
Speaker 4: all right?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to just I'm just curious. You know,
Speaker 1: if they're going to sign Eric Armstead, who's going right,
Speaker 1: You've got three point eight million dollars in salary cap
Speaker 1: from I'm using spot track by the way, right, some
Speaker 1: people use over the cap. I use spot track and
Speaker 1: they're roughly in the ballpark. So there's some magic being done.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's some numbers being crunched. There's a strategy
Speaker 1: behind it, because if you're bringing in Eric Armstead, you
Speaker 1: have got to find the money somewhere. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a precious few places to create cap room on this
Speaker 1: roster right now. Right, we've talked about Cam Robinson has
Speaker 1: won because he gives you about seventeen million dollars in
Speaker 1: cap savings. Foyer Lui constant other he gives you about
Speaker 1: seven million dollars, say Jones gives you about four and
Speaker 1: then it dries up pretty quickly. You know, the guys
Speaker 1: we're talking about who have any cap savings at all
Speaker 1: aren't guys you're gonna cut. So it's interesting to see
Speaker 1: them still being very active with very little room.
Speaker 4: I will say we do have to address yesterday. They
Speaker 4: saved some money because they did not re sign Calvin Ridley.
Speaker 4: He is going to the Titans reportedly, and there's big
Speaker 4: money going to him there, so I mean, good for him.
Speaker 1: Earning also twenty three million years.
Speaker 4: What he got fifty guaranteed ninety two over four years.
Speaker 4: Is the reports, which here's the fifty guarantee. How do
Speaker 4: you say no to that?
Speaker 5: Well, how do you say no to it? And if
Speaker 5: you're the Jags, how do you go that way?
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 4: I think people would be upset if the team did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they would certainly be.
Speaker 5: U said in a couple of years when it completely
Speaker 5: hampered you with the cap. And you know, look, I
Speaker 5: all off season and I wrote off season, I think
Speaker 5: Calvin Ridley on this roster would have been good. I
Speaker 5: don't know that it would have been good to the
Speaker 5: tune of building your salary cap structure around him at
Speaker 5: the expense of other things. And that's what fifty million
Speaker 5: guarantee would have done.
Speaker 1: You know, my sense of people's opinion of Calvin Ridley
Speaker 1: was based on hope. Kai. There were a lot of
Speaker 1: people that I've talked to in the last few days,
Speaker 1: whether it's in line of publics or out at the beach,
Speaker 1: where they hoped that another year in the system, another
Speaker 1: year working with Trevor would get the Calvin Ridley that
Speaker 1: we all had hoped we would see this year, you know,
Speaker 1: twelve hundred thirteen hundred yards, ten touchdowns. We didn't see that.
Speaker 1: So going forward, it I just don't think you could
Speaker 1: guarantee fifty million dollars on hope. And it just doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense for a franchise that has to get something
Speaker 1: done with Josh, that has to get something done with Trevor,
Speaker 1: that may want to get something done with Tyson Campbell
Speaker 1: next year if he comes back healthy and has the
Speaker 1: big year this year, a thirty year old receiver that,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, in a contract year, couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: where he was supposed to be on many routes right,
Speaker 1: That didn't make any sense to me. And by the way,
Speaker 1: now he's going to Tennessee and he's going to run
Speaker 1: imprecise routes for quarterback who isn't very accurate. Good luck
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 4: It would be interesting. I mean, that is a huge
Speaker 4: amount of money. I think I was upset when I
Speaker 4: first heard it. Of course, no one wants to see,
Speaker 4: you know, a Jaguargo play for the Titans. Nobody likes that.
Speaker 4: When we see the numbers, you're like, ah, it would
Speaker 4: not have been super excited if Trent Balke went that
Speaker 4: route right with fifty million guaranteed. But it does you know, now,
Speaker 4: where's the wide receiver room going? John? Does this mean
Speaker 4: maybe they're focusing on somebody else that we're unaware of,
Speaker 4: or are they going to run with what they have?
Speaker 4: How do you see it?
Speaker 5: Unfildin, I think they put themselves in good situation going
Speaker 5: in in this sense, it may take me a while
Speaker 5: to get to this point. In twenty twenty two, they
Speaker 5: were a good receiving corps that made the postseason. You
Speaker 5: felt great about at the end with Zay Jones, Christian Kirk,
Speaker 5: Evan Ingram, and Marvin Jones. They were essentially the same
Speaker 5: offense last year, adding Ridley and removing Marvin Jones. And
Speaker 5: he said, well, they were worse last year, but they
Speaker 5: really weren't worse offensively last year. They were about the
Speaker 5: same numbers wise, And then they dipped a little bit
Speaker 5: once Trevor and Christian got hurt. They set themselves up
Speaker 5: by signing Gabe Davis with having a cord next year.
Speaker 5: Minimum that's going to be Davis, Zay Jones, Christian Kirk
Speaker 5: and e An Inger. Well, that's not significantly different. You're
Speaker 5: plugging Gabe Davis in for Marvin Jones, right. You know,
Speaker 5: Marvin may run a little bit more precise routes and
Speaker 5: be a little more veteran dependable guy, but Gabe gives
Speaker 5: you big play guy. So if they stick with these four,
Speaker 5: then I think they left themselves a situation where these
Speaker 5: four can go win in the NFL.
Speaker 2: Sure, and they had a chance.
Speaker 5: I think Zay would have been gone had had Calvin
Speaker 5: Ben signed. So you're upgrading that a little bit, maybe
Speaker 5: with Ridley over Za, But to me, the whole key,
Speaker 5: if it's these four, the key to me is can
Speaker 5: they give you sixty total games? Can they be healthy,
Speaker 5: because that's what really took the receiving core down last
Speaker 5: year Isay being out nine and Christian being out five.
Speaker 1: You just compared Ridley to say, let's compare Ridley to
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis. Right, So Ridley obviously has had big seasons
Speaker 1: thousand yard seasons and gave Davis has not. But he
Speaker 1: has twenty seven touchdowns in four years, plus five more
Speaker 1: that he scored in the playoffs. So he's a proven commodity.
Speaker 1: And the term that was used about him that I've
Speaker 1: heard is he's a deep ball guy who can go
Speaker 1: and get it right. He's more of a perimeter guy,
Speaker 1: you know, sideline fifty to fifty bowl kind of guy.
Speaker 1: How much This isn't the right way to phrase it,
Speaker 1: but where are you in that comparison? Do you gain
Speaker 1: anything or do you lose something when you put Davis
Speaker 1: in the line up instead of Ridley? How much?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's uh, you know, realistic.
Speaker 5: I'd say probably a little bit if you if you
Speaker 5: told me I had to have one or the other
Speaker 5: and it was specials. Yeah, So I'm not gonna be
Speaker 5: disingenuous and say I wouldn't want really on the team.
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm just saying is that I don't
Speaker 1: think the gap is as big as you might.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It's in this offense. History is shown in Philadelphia when
Speaker 5: they won in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Was there a go to guy? Not really.
Speaker 5: The other comparison is always the Chiefs once less, you know,
Speaker 5: kill a go to guy, But over time that offense
Speaker 5: has always worked without.
Speaker 1: A go to guy. The go to guy was the
Speaker 1: tight end.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know it, it can work like this.
Speaker 5: And the whole key to the thing is can they
Speaker 5: interior run block better? Can they keep Trevor healthy? And
Speaker 5: can Trevor reduce the turnovers? No matter what we're doing
Speaker 5: right now, those are still the three storylines to me.
Speaker 4: And I think that's It's a great point you bring up, John,
Speaker 4: because in this day and age, do you need a
Speaker 4: star receiver necessarily to win a Super Bowl?
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 4: Probably you can get by with a bunch of twos
Speaker 4: or whatever it is, but your quarterback does have to
Speaker 4: step up their play.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: We need to see Trevor take it to that point
Speaker 4: where he's carrying the team along, and we've yet to
Speaker 4: see that at this point. So it'll be up to
Speaker 4: him to do that. We don't know if he'll they'll
Speaker 4: add to the wide receiver room from today or if
Speaker 4: they'll run with what they have.
Speaker 1: Well, they've got what eight draft picks now after sending
Speaker 1: the sixth round pick to the Patriots, and it's a
Speaker 1: deep draft for wide receivers. I mean that, by the way,
Speaker 1: you can repeat every year for reasons that we're elaborated on.
Speaker 1: That's now what they do.
Speaker 4: Will they find one? Though? Is the question to identify someone?
Speaker 4: And you're absolutely right that is because it's a lot
Speaker 4: easier said than done to find no wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Sever here's the guy who was the go to guy
Speaker 1: for the Eagles in seventeen, and it was Alshon Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: who is very much like Gabe Davis, big guy who
Speaker 1: can work the chains and keep you on track, keep
Speaker 1: you on target a midway. I didn't want to suggest
Speaker 1: that he couldn't cool over the middle. It's just when
Speaker 1: you watch the routes that he ran.
Speaker 4: How he's been used so far, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, and Buffalo used him as a down the field
Speaker 1: kind of guy. He was offsetting Stefan Diggs. But when
Speaker 1: I look at the body style, yeah, he and Alshon Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: who was kind of the pivot man, especially down the
Speaker 1: stretch for the Eagles in twenty seventeen, are very similar guys.
Speaker 4: That's important because they struggled so much on third down.
Speaker 4: We harped on that pretty much every week this season.
Speaker 4: That was an issue for them is kind of keep
Speaker 4: the chains moving, keep that momentum. So if he can
Speaker 4: be consistent and get that, you know, rappoor down with Trevor,
Speaker 4: that's huge.
Speaker 1: I say this too. We heard late yesterday that the
Speaker 1: Texans were getting in on Calvin Ridley was Gary Houston.
Speaker 1: I might have scratched my head a little bit and went, oh, right,
Speaker 1: with that quarterback that they've got over there. But the
Speaker 1: situation in Tennessee I think works that you won't worry
Speaker 1: so much about him being there.
Speaker 4: Correct, you never want to see him in the same division,
Speaker 4: but it was a little scarier when we thought it was.
Speaker 5: It's a bold move on Tennessee's part. I don't know
Speaker 5: what their strategy is. I don't cover that team.
Speaker 1: But they're spending money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're spending money, and they have the cap room
Speaker 5: forward because they have rookie quarterback on first year deal,
Speaker 5: second round pick, so that makes sense in their part.
Speaker 2: Good luck to him.
Speaker 4: All Right, it's a busy day here. We're talking a
Speaker 4: little bit about people that aren't in the building. We're
Speaker 4: going to talk about the people that are in the
Speaker 4: building as we got coming up here on Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 4: Of course, we've got five new faces here in Jacksonville.
Speaker 4: We'll hear from some of them coming up next on
Speaker 4: Jaguars Happy Hour.
Speaker 3: As soon as I heard Jacksonville, I was like, thank
Speaker 3: god they call as I thank god.
Speaker 1: I wanted to come back to Florida.
Speaker 5: I wanted to be around you know, guys that I knew,
Speaker 5: you know, coach that I loved, and you know, the
Speaker 5: team's great.
Speaker 6: Shoot.
Speaker 5: We can never we can never beat them, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. So came, uh, came, came here, and
Speaker 5: you know, as soon as soon as they sent it in,
Speaker 5: you know, Nicholas Shame's winning then boom.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, I'm a Jaguar man.
Speaker 5: Pretty easy decision.
Speaker 4: M an easy choice. Happy to be in Florida as
Speaker 4: there are the rest of us. I'm kind Nannie Stevens,
Speaker 4: John Oser, Ryan Sextoner with me as we're filling in
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Speaker 4: It's a busy day here. We've got some reported trades
Speaker 4: we're going to keep an eye on. And also five
Speaker 4: new faces were in the building. Gabe Davis, wide receiver
Speaker 4: from Buffalo and he as he said, very happy to
Speaker 4: see when Jacksonville called.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he again.
Speaker 5: I'll go back to He fits what they want to do.
Speaker 5: He fits what they're trying to do at receiver. My
Speaker 5: only concern at receiver is it's a very very very
Speaker 5: expensive room filled with a lot of second contract free agents,
Speaker 5: and eventually they are going to want to draft and
Speaker 5: develop behind that to get that a little more salary
Speaker 5: cap palpable. But I'm tired of talking about the cap
Speaker 5: you know, for those you know, for on the field
Speaker 5: next year. It does give Trevor an option. He hasn't
Speaker 5: had to throw it up and go get the ball guy.
Speaker 5: So it's one more element they have and I'm fine
Speaker 5: with it. To me, this group, Brian, it is a
Speaker 5: group that easily all four of these guys you could
Speaker 5: see catching nine hundred yards worth of balls and seven
Speaker 5: to eight touchdowns, So that's very reasonable for all that, I.
Speaker 1: Would agree with you, tinly, which is sort of what
Speaker 1: we saw from them in twenty twenty two. We like
Speaker 1: the big bodied receiver, Like look, Zay is not a
Speaker 1: small guy, but he's not as big as Gabe Davis.
Speaker 1: And you can either you can look at Evan Ingram
Speaker 1: is a smaller tight end or as a bigger wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but you see how effective he is in this league.
Speaker 1: Everyone wanted t Higgins, right, they still do go trade
Speaker 1: for T Higgins. I have ma I've heard of a
Speaker 1: thousand times. This is one of those big bodies, not
Speaker 1: quite as big as T Higgins, but the kind of
Speaker 1: guy we haven't really seen Jacksonville going back gosh, I
Speaker 1: mean the mid two thousands since Ernest us here, right,
Speaker 1: It's been a long time since we've had that kind
Speaker 1: of a guy. And this is a gifted athlete.
Speaker 4: And maybe that argument that Trevor Lawrence need's kind of
Speaker 4: those weapons down the field, But Gabe Davis can make
Speaker 4: those big plays, which is a skill set that not
Speaker 4: every wide receiver has, and that's something that will be
Speaker 4: added by adding him to the lineup, So that's good
Speaker 4: to see there. In terms of other people coming in today,
Speaker 4: we do have we have Devin Devernet who's a return specialist.
Speaker 4: Pretty much means he was coming out of Baltimore. So
Speaker 4: we're not probably gonna see Jamal Agnew. We'll see him
Speaker 4: land somewhere else. That's I haven't seen a ton of
Speaker 4: him so, but that's certainly a dynamic position that if
Speaker 4: you can help out on special teams that can be
Speaker 4: a huge difference.
Speaker 5: As we've seen, well, Jamal had been hurt last year,
Speaker 5: and typically a returner who is coming in as a
Speaker 5: free agent, Jamal had been here three years. That's a
Speaker 5: pretty long shelf life for free agent returner to come
Speaker 5: in and be with the team. So the best wishes
Speaker 5: to Jamal. Great guy, you know he was back in
Speaker 5: his career. This will have been a great stop for him.
Speaker 5: Happy story. You don't always stay everywhere a derviin a
Speaker 5: has been healthy. He would seem to be a smidge
Speaker 5: of an upgrade as a receiver. Jamal made some big
Speaker 5: plays as a receiver and he mattered in the offense.
Speaker 5: But I don't know that you ever felt like if
Speaker 5: he was going to be one year four going out
Speaker 5: that you loved that as an option. I don't know
Speaker 5: that Dermine's love is an option, but maybe a bit
Speaker 5: of an upgrade there. And he's been healthier, you feel
Speaker 5: like he's more in the prime of his career. You're
Speaker 5: signing a free agent like this for the next three years,
Speaker 5: not the last two years.
Speaker 1: Since we're just sort of prognosticating here. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with Duverne being just the return guy. I've got
Speaker 1: Travis Etn who can do a multitude of things for me.
Speaker 1: He can take some of those jet screens and do
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that Doug wanted to do the
Speaker 1: last two years with Jamal, and he's got better hands.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Last year, Jamal put the ball on
Speaker 1: the ground a couple of times in Madje whoa right,
Speaker 1: Like all of a sudden, that was kind of becoming
Speaker 1: an issue. I expect Tank Bigsby to have a bigger share,
Speaker 1: and Doug even talked about it at the combine.
Speaker 4: He has to with the spot that he was drafted that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I believe in this kid. We talked about
Speaker 1: him a lot last year, So that will free you
Speaker 1: up to use etn in that. Quite honestly, there is
Speaker 1: no lack of weaponry. If you protect this guy, which
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the offensive line, if you build
Speaker 1: the wall in front of the quarterback, there's enough weapons
Speaker 1: here to be as good as you were in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, effective or better. So I could see a
Speaker 1: lot of different things happening. They don't need du Verne
Speaker 1: to come in and be a receiver. They needed to
Speaker 1: be a great return man because Jamal Agnew came down
Speaker 1: here and was a Pro Bowl return man. You're going
Speaker 1: to lose that without him. They're gambling, writes Crystal Ball Business.
Speaker 1: They're gambling that this guy is the next Jamal.
Speaker 4: Agnew come in and play that role on this team
Speaker 4: for sure. On the defensive side of the ball, we
Speaker 4: have Darnell Savage coming from Green Bay, Ronald Darby who's
Speaker 4: bopped around a couple different places at cornerback there, John
Speaker 4: is it a little I know we talked about it yesterday.
Speaker 4: One might be a little more of a stop gap
Speaker 4: the other two, but brings in a little bit more
Speaker 4: experience to kind of with your new defensive coordinator figure
Speaker 4: out what pieces work wear and get some of the
Speaker 4: youth and seeing exactly what you have.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it was an affordable fit. I've used
Speaker 5: a phrase stopgap, but in this day and age there's
Speaker 5: so much turnover that most guys are stopgasks. If your
Speaker 5: second contract free agents and you're there two years, that's
Speaker 5: a long stay anymore.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 2: Look, he clearly, from listening to.
Speaker 5: Him on the podium and from reading about it and
Speaker 5: from watching him, he loves playing press, he loves playing
Speaker 5: man to man. He will fit right into what Ryan
Speaker 5: Nielsen supposedly loves to do. So in that sense, when
Speaker 5: Darius left and when Trey Herndon left, or were you know,
Speaker 5: not re signed, you need to.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: I know they like Braswell and Monterrey Brown, do you
Speaker 5: love them enough to go in there with him? You
Speaker 5: need to get at least one in free agency at
Speaker 5: this rate. I would be extremely surprised if they don't
Speaker 5: either sign another third day, third level corner, or if
Speaker 5: he's not one of your top two draft picks. I
Speaker 5: think it's on another corner. But to your point, yes,
Speaker 5: Darby gets them through this need period, but at some
Speaker 5: point they got a draft.
Speaker 1: The corners round here, without doubt, he's thirty years old.
Speaker 1: But I made some calls this morning about him talking
Speaker 1: to people around the league to say he's got bright eyes.
Speaker 1: Look at him in the podium today, you'll see a
Speaker 1: confidence level. He's played press, he's played any situation they've
Speaker 1: asked him inside outside, play this week, don't play next week,
Speaker 1: play special teams. And the guy loves football. That was
Speaker 1: what I was told. He's a bright eyed guy, which
Speaker 1: is saying he's very confident and he loves to play football.
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong bringing a guy that fits your
Speaker 1: defensive scheme in like that, especially with young players like
Speaker 1: monterk Brown and Christian brass Well behind him. He at
Speaker 1: least gives you a guy you can line up and
Speaker 1: play with and count all but stop gap like this year.
Speaker 5: It's also not nothing guy that Mitch Morris has played
Speaker 5: for Doug. I mean Darby's played for Doug. Yep, you
Speaker 5: know over time. I don't think the locker room is
Speaker 5: bad last year, but you need to make sure that
Speaker 5: it stays what you want from listening to both of
Speaker 5: these guys. I'm sure when Trent leaned into Doug's office
Speaker 5: and said, Hey, I'm looking at these two guys. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 5: Like I think Doug probably likes both of these guys
Speaker 5: very much coming in here and being guys who can
Speaker 5: come in and lead right away in.
Speaker 2: The right way.
Speaker 1: We were all sitting there in the postgame after that
Speaker 1: Niners game and Doug came in and remember he said,
Speaker 1: we haven't done anything yet. Well, he's bringing in some
Speaker 1: guys who've done something right. Mitch Morris has played in
Speaker 1: some AFC Championship games with the Bills, and Ronald Darby
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with the with the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 1: and Darnell Savage has played in some playoff games, some
Speaker 1: consequential games. He's brought some guys in here who have
Speaker 1: done some things. And that's what that locker room lacked,
Speaker 1: guys who have been there and done that. And I
Speaker 1: think that's an important thing for them.
Speaker 4: To fill this year and at a sustained level. I
Speaker 4: remember telling you guys, it's that, Okay, you have one
Speaker 4: good season, but to go and play, you know in
Speaker 4: a Baltimore even Green Bay where they demand success there
Speaker 4: as well. To have players that are on these teams
Speaker 4: where they're expected to win and make the playoffs every
Speaker 4: single year, it's different. And to know that you're going
Speaker 4: into training camp, you're playing for a coach where you
Speaker 4: know what's expected of you, and you have to set
Speaker 4: that precedent with your players. You can't just have your
Speaker 4: coach telling you that you need to see some players
Speaker 4: and have some leaders on your team that do that.
Speaker 4: And while Jacksonville is a young team, they can bring
Speaker 4: in some veterans that have been there and done that well.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if Eric Armstead ends up siding,
Speaker 1: that's other thing, right super Bowls and I think you've
Speaker 1: got to give you got to give Trent Doug and
Speaker 1: their teams, both coaching and personnel, a lot of credit
Speaker 1: because they didn't have a lot of salary cap room
Speaker 1: to work with and they are making some various stute
Speaker 1: moves guys that again, it's not going to light up
Speaker 1: you know, social media with people praising them or radio stations,
Speaker 1: But they're guys who come in and our good accomplished
Speaker 1: players that come in at a number that works for
Speaker 1: this team while setting up the future.
Speaker 5: And you bring Armstead into the middle and then all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, Robertson Harris von Hamilton, Armstead feels a
Speaker 5: whole lot better.
Speaker 1: Yet this than what was here before. Yeah, sure does.
Speaker 4: That's a group. You definitely feel differently about.
Speaker 1: It if you saw him on the field here when
Speaker 1: they were here in November. He's just so so tall
Speaker 1: and long and difficult to block that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: that much of that.
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Speaker 6: Not only familiarity with Doug in the past that I've
Speaker 6: always had a keen sense of trying to get back
Speaker 6: to him ever since he became a head coach. I
Speaker 6: thought it'd be kind of a fun deal. Either the culture.
Speaker 6: I mean, we got absolutely smack last year in London
Speaker 6: and then and you know, I've been a big fan
Speaker 6: of that defense for a very long time, as well
Speaker 6: as the offense. Of course, you know, I think this
Speaker 6: league is a quarterback driven league, and to win in
Speaker 6: this league you have to have a quarterback with the
Speaker 6: tangibles and the and tanigles, and I think Trevor kind
Speaker 6: of embodies both of those things.
Speaker 2: So that and I mean the sunshine doesn't hurt.
Speaker 4: Sunshine never hurts. That's offensive. Lineman Mitch Morse is going
Speaker 4: to be the starting center for the team in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four. I'm kind of Annie Stephen's here on Jaguar's
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not a hard sell, I would imagine,
Speaker 4: other than I mean, us, as long as you get
Speaker 4: as long as you get the money, right, I think
Speaker 4: it's an easy sell for environment.
Speaker 2: Which is what we're saying about you last year, right,
Speaker 2: as long as you have the money.
Speaker 4: I don't get I don't get these kind of contracts, though,
Speaker 4: if that would make it a lot easier. Because I
Speaker 4: was a little scared about training camp. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 4: especially because I hear all these stories. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going to pass it on training camp and everyone's
Speaker 4: going to.
Speaker 1: Be I don't think you did.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: But we're very close to the MEC now. We're very fortunate.
Speaker 4: This isn't the old days where you're just bacon in
Speaker 4: the sun all day with no sunglasses on. So we were.
Speaker 4: It was a and you eased me, and I appreciate why.
Speaker 1: Practices you get some guys that are gonna have to
Speaker 1: get used to it.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean Mitch Mores in Buffalo, Darnell Savage's he's
Speaker 2: been bay and.
Speaker 1: If Armstead signs he's been in the Bay area that.
Speaker 4: You know, that's get a nice little breeze different, yeah,
Speaker 4: a little different, all right? Well, Well these are good,
Speaker 4: good problems to have though, right, good problems to have,
Speaker 4: especially around November December for them, so a lot of
Speaker 4: new faces in town. We do want to talk about
Speaker 4: the O line. Mitch Morris was actually signed earlier because
Speaker 4: he was released by Buffalo, so we had him in
Speaker 4: here earlier in the week. He says all the right things.
Speaker 4: A veteran, certainly something we've been talking about for a
Speaker 4: while that they needed to address that issue, and Mitch
Speaker 4: Morse did address the issue in terms of coming in
Speaker 4: and starting over Luke Fortner, and he said he's talked
Speaker 4: to him already and that they feel like it'll be
Speaker 4: a good vibe in the room.
Speaker 6: You know, Luke and I have chatted and I'm just
Speaker 6: looking forward to competing and growing with him. Like I
Speaker 6: think that's that's what football is all about, right, I
Speaker 6: guess it's about, you know, no matter where you are
Speaker 6: in your career, growing and being a better professional and
Speaker 6: learning how to take your game to the next level.
Speaker 6: So you know, no matter what happens, how that works
Speaker 6: it out. Like for me, I'm trying to be a
Speaker 6: resource for him. He's going to be a resource for me,
Speaker 6: and we're just going to see how it plays out.
Speaker 6: But hopefully, first and foremost, just make a good relationship
Speaker 6: in this offensive line room. Lasting a lot to do
Speaker 6: is polarize anything.
Speaker 4: Not a ton of divas in the offensive line group,
Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised that they're all on the same
Speaker 4: page there, but happy at least. I mean to see
Speaker 4: that the team is understanding of, hey, we did something,
Speaker 4: it didn't work. Luke Fortner was an issue on that
Speaker 4: offensive line. Obviously they dealt with some injuries as well.
Speaker 4: I think that at eight or nine different players that
Speaker 4: started at one point on the offensive line this year.
Speaker 4: But it has to give you some hope going forward.
Speaker 4: And then Brian, as we've mentioned, the draft is always
Speaker 4: an option.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt. But when you put a player john
Speaker 1: like Morse in the middle of your offensive line and
Speaker 1: you've re signed Ezra Cleveland and you've got two guys
Speaker 1: in Cam Robinson and Walker Little, you feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about the guys that you've got and upgrading. And then
Speaker 1: obviously they love what Anton Harrison gave them last year.
Speaker 1: So the one spot that you're talking about now thinking
Speaker 1: all right, we got to make sure we've got competition
Speaker 1: there is with a guy who played five times as
Speaker 1: a five ten pro bowler, right Brandon Sheriff, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, credit to him, gutted through an ankle injury
Speaker 1: that lingered all season long last year, and he just
Speaker 1: never was willing to come out of the lineup, So
Speaker 1: a lot of credit there. You can see. You can
Speaker 1: make the case where this offensive line, just by adding
Speaker 1: Morse and re signing Cleveland is poised to have a
Speaker 1: significantly better outcome this season.
Speaker 2: Well it should and.
Speaker 5: Just by it if they're stouter up the middle, which
Speaker 5: I get. It was hard to tell in the last
Speaker 5: five games what exactly Ezra Cleveland was right, because you're
Speaker 5: coming in trade, deadline trade, you're playing the last five
Speaker 5: He gets hurt pretty quickly against the Brown. Even if
Speaker 5: he hadn't, there's so much going on, you know, you're
Speaker 5: losing games. It's you know, this guy's can make all
Speaker 5: the difference, get him a fresh start. They obviously like him.
Speaker 5: What I like about Mitch Morse.
Speaker 4: Is a.
Speaker 5: His results show you that he's stouter on the interior
Speaker 5: than Luke Fordner, so you start there. But center is
Speaker 5: also and I'm sure Luke handled this part very well.
Speaker 5: A center is of all the of the Lyne positions.
Speaker 5: It's a leadership, communication position, A veteran center who clearly
Speaker 5: it is a mature, intelligent, engaging person.
Speaker 2: This guy seems to me like he.
Speaker 5: Can step in right away and be if not the
Speaker 5: captain on the offensive line, he can be the captain.
Speaker 5: But he may I have the c But this guy
Speaker 5: can lead steerly, can communicate, he can learn the offense.
Speaker 2: He can give Trevor ease, you know. So he fills
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 5: So even if he's not the Mitch Morse that he
Speaker 5: was maybe in year five, he certainly strikes you as
Speaker 5: a guy who can be a good veteran for this
Speaker 5: team for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: You tell us, I mean you've interviewed enough guys and
Speaker 1: understand body language and presence. You were with him yesterday.
Speaker 4: He gets it and that's huge, right and John, you're
Speaker 4: alluding to it because you need that on the offensive line.
Speaker 4: We can't forget Trevor is a young quarterback and to
Speaker 4: have a center that's been there, done that and knows
Speaker 4: how it goes. He's played, you know, with Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 4: in his second year, he's played with Josh Allen for
Speaker 4: several years.
Speaker 2: To have that kind of.
Speaker 4: Calming presence, and especially if you happen to do have
Speaker 4: the injury bug again, the centerpiece knock On Wood is
Speaker 4: the same and that can kind of keep some security
Speaker 4: because there were times. We don't want to say Trevor
Speaker 4: necessarily saw ghosts, but you could tell he was getting,
Speaker 4: you know, running around a little bit last season, and
Speaker 4: maybe that was just, you know, not being familiar with
Speaker 4: where people were going to be at certain times, and
Speaker 4: you need your quarterback to feel comfortable if you want
Speaker 4: them to be successful.
Speaker 1: Now I'll throw this out there. They've signed Mitch Morse.
Speaker 1: It's great. They've re signed Ezra Cleveland, fantastic. I still
Speaker 1: want to see with one of the first two picks.
Speaker 1: I've loosened up a little bit. I wanted to do
Speaker 1: seventeen man. I wanted to right tackle right because I
Speaker 1: think you got Anton Harrison is your long term future
Speaker 1: at left tackle at least that's my understanding of what
Speaker 1: he's capable of. A great draft, a great draft for
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Go get big, meaner, better, younger, have a
Speaker 1: guy in there, because remember Cam's in the last year
Speaker 1: of his deal, and so too is Walker Little. So
Speaker 1: you have one tackle one under contract for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Don't let this thing be good this year and then
Speaker 1: slide back. Go find a guy.
Speaker 4: There are moves to be made, for sure, whether that's
Speaker 4: at seventeen the first round or in the second round
Speaker 4: as well. There, and we do want to mention that
Speaker 4: Eric Armstead proposed deal reported John Saw on Twitter a
Speaker 4: little bit earlier from Ian Rappaport that Eric Armstead might
Speaker 4: be added because they got stout or on the offensive line.
Speaker 4: The defensive line was a little bit of an issue
Speaker 4: towards the end of the season. They were great with
Speaker 4: the run stop early and then kind of things are falling.
Speaker 4: I don't know IF's communication or what, but things were
Speaker 4: falling off at the end there. So if you can
Speaker 4: have someone like that in the middle, it just changes
Speaker 4: the whole dynamic. If that's going to be what you
Speaker 4: have in the center.
Speaker 5: Well, it gives you three. You know, this seem's gonna
Speaker 5: play a four to three. It gives you Trayvon, Josh
Speaker 5: Eric Armstead. That's three and we were gonna get mad.
Speaker 5: And I say it has three Pro Bowl level talents.
Speaker 5: I know, Trayvon has not played in a Pro Bowl
Speaker 5: LA yet. At the end of last year, he's coming on.
Speaker 1: He's coming on.
Speaker 2: And in terms of.
Speaker 5: Stoutness, you know, if you line up Armstead and Trayvon,
Speaker 5: that's hard to move, you know, So all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: you're better if you add to that a healthy Devon Hamilton,
Speaker 5: who was really coming out at the end of twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two.
Speaker 2: The formula is there. Now things have to go right.
Speaker 2: But Trayvon next to Armstead on the line.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of length there, right, I mean, Armstead
Speaker 1: is six foot seven. He was here. He made a
Speaker 1: visit nine years ago out of Oregon when they were
Speaker 1: letting guys talk to us when they would come visit,
Speaker 1: and I remember vividly him filling the doorway. Right. He
Speaker 1: and Brnston buck are DeForest Buckner what they were teammates
Speaker 1: at Oregon. They were back to back first round picks
Speaker 1: by the Niners, and when the Niners went to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in twenty nineteen. Yet those two massive bodies
Speaker 1: in the middle. Now he's thirty years old. Okay, so
Speaker 1: he's not a young man. But you've got incredible wingspan
Speaker 1: for Trayvon, which makes him a very dangerous player. You
Speaker 1: got the same thing on this with even more weight
Speaker 1: and height. I think that's an interesting If I'm Ryan Nielsen,
Speaker 1: I'm really intrigued about the games I can play with
Speaker 1: these two guys on one side of the line together.
Speaker 4: It ups your athleticism in that regard just having that
Speaker 4: kind of range there.
Speaker 1: Well I'm putting your hands up and blocking passes.
Speaker 4: Well, that'll do it too. We gotta see. That is
Speaker 4: Ryan Nielsen, I'm sure has come in and said what
Speaker 4: he wanted to run. But he's got to have a
Speaker 4: hand in some of this, right, like, Hey, I need
Speaker 4: this and that. Do you think that's something you focus so.
Speaker 5: Certainly in the secondary, there's no question, of course, and
Speaker 5: up front as well, because there are games we played
Speaker 5: up front. But everything that I have been able to
Speaker 5: glean from reading and talk to people about Neelsen, he
Speaker 5: likes to rush with four and wants to get it all.
Speaker 5: Defensive coordinator who run a four to three want to
Speaker 5: get there with four, but he really wants to do that.
Speaker 5: And now you've got three guys on your interior and
Speaker 5: Devon when he's right. Devon at the end of twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two was getting penetration all of a sudden. You've
Speaker 5: got four guys on your D line if you line
Speaker 5: on Trayvon, Armstead, Alan and Devon who can all get
Speaker 5: some pass rush and so Canroy. When Roy was right
Speaker 5: at the end of twenty two twenty twenty two, he
Speaker 5: was getting some pass rush too, so maybe an area
Speaker 5: to be more disruptive upfront.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can added anything to that because
Speaker 1: the one thing I was gonna say was Devn Hamilton
Speaker 1: from the end of his rookie season was a guy
Speaker 1: that you could see. He was powerful, so he could
Speaker 1: push people backwards. But for his wide a body he is,
Speaker 1: and he's wide, he can slide between two offensive linemen
Speaker 1: like few big guys do. So if you've got that
Speaker 1: and he's not having to play, you know, sixty five
Speaker 1: percent of the snaps, you'll get him back closer to
Speaker 1: where he's supposed to be.
Speaker 4: A nimble, big guy, nimble, nimble on his feet sometimes.
Speaker 1: Did you see him out on the practice field last
Speaker 1: summer with his little little, like two week old child,
Speaker 1: I mean holding him with his great big hands. You
Speaker 1: could barely see the baby.
Speaker 4: It's a big guy, but he's fast. So I think,
Speaker 4: is this something where maybe we might see a later
Speaker 4: round pick trying to get someone on a line and
Speaker 4: maybe someone a project, just like physically, a large person
Speaker 4: that you could work on to like build going forward.
Speaker 4: Because obviously this is great, but in a couple of
Speaker 4: years we have the same issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did it last year with Lacey and he quietly.
Speaker 5: Lacey played most of the games and and and was there.
Speaker 5: So that's sort of what you do. You always sort
Speaker 5: of hope a later round pick can come along and
Speaker 5: be impact on the defensive line. That's tough because usually,
Speaker 5: you know, the great, big ones usually go early. So
Speaker 5: uh sure, I wouldn't have a problem if you went
Speaker 5: defensive line, offensive line one two in the draft most years,
Speaker 5: but it's hard for teams to do that when you
Speaker 5: have needs. And I think it'll be hard for this
Speaker 5: team to do that this year, frankly, because you still
Speaker 5: have a need a corner.
Speaker 4: And that is something I'm looking at. John. I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've publicly said what you think they're going
Speaker 4: to do at seventeen, but I still feel like corner
Speaker 4: might be in the mix there. Do you feel like
Speaker 4: they're edging one all?
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely the mix.
Speaker 2: I think it's I.
Speaker 4: Feel like that's what's going to be. It's just so
Speaker 4: hard to get a good corner.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like the question is will they be
Speaker 1: a run on them before they draft, Will they.
Speaker 4: Have to move will they be available at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Trent really really really likes drafting big people.
Speaker 5: So I am in which is fair, which is a
Speaker 5: great game. Yeah, And so I'm saying that as a
Speaker 5: compliment because that's how you build it.
Speaker 2: Most gms do. Most gms want to do that.
Speaker 5: But then when you get on draft day and you've
Speaker 5: got a hole in your roster and you're thinking how
Speaker 5: you're going to line the team up, that's where the
Speaker 5: push and pull of life and real decisions and sitting
Speaker 5: in the room going I wish I had five picks
Speaker 5: right here.
Speaker 2: You only got one.
Speaker 1: So the variable that we can't account for is we
Speaker 1: don't know who they like, right, We don't know who's
Speaker 1: the number one corner on that board, and are they
Speaker 1: willing to go up because they covet the guy from
Speaker 1: Toledo perhaps, right, that's a name that a lot of
Speaker 1: people have talked about it with a guy from Alabama.
Speaker 1: Who's going to be there and who do they like?
Speaker 1: There's just so many variables to it, but you can't
Speaker 1: go wrong with a big guy the way the board falls.
Speaker 4: As they say, we got a couple more weeks to
Speaker 4: talk about that.
Speaker 1: And also, by the way, Trent how many times they
Speaker 1: moved back last year? Right? Yes, I mean they moved
Speaker 1: from twenty four to twenty five to twenty seven.
Speaker 4: I think we all remember because you were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're finding on the board. Oh just kidding, Oh, just kidding.
Speaker 1: So the possibility exists that that they will do that again.
Speaker 1: They'll play around a little bit to get in a
Speaker 1: spot and get the guy who matters the most to them.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Gotta get rid of one. Okay, so we got a
Speaker 1: bagel with waffle pancakes. Friend, hildre my bagel.
Speaker 5: Guys, are.
Speaker 4: I love an icebreaker?
Speaker 5: Question?
Speaker 4: Darnell Savage was asking everybody in the building safety from
Speaker 4: Green Bay, what you would get rid of given the
Speaker 4: options for breakfast foods. I think one of them is
Speaker 4: kind of already out of the mix for me. But
Speaker 4: we'll get there. So his options were bagel, French toasts, pancakes, and.
Speaker 2: Waffles, as long as I can have bagel.
Speaker 4: Correct. First of all, here's me, bagel's kind of out
Speaker 4: of I feel like it really should be French toasts,
Speaker 4: pancakes and waffles, right, But if you're gonna put it
Speaker 4: in bagels, absolutely staying. See you're a Northeastern, I'm a
Speaker 4: good bagel, a good bagel.
Speaker 1: I'm a Midwesterner. Bagels mean nothing to me, so I
Speaker 1: would toss the bagels out.
Speaker 4: Yes, it has to be a good bag I guess
Speaker 4: that would be the precursor to that. But I think
Speaker 4: waffles are going for me. I like a good waffle,
Speaker 4: but I feel like a lot of waffles don't hit home.
Speaker 5: So I'd say French toast because I'm more of a
Speaker 5: basics guy, And if you had to, you could live
Speaker 5: off bagels and waffles and pancakes. French toast really isn't
Speaker 5: good unless you have syrup on it, So you're going pancakes.
Speaker 4: So syrup.
Speaker 2: This is madness if you if you had too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's accessories.
Speaker 2: The condimental my pancakes.
Speaker 4: Booberry pancakes, absolutely now we know, look at this, we're
Speaker 4: all getting.
Speaker 1: To know each other as long as we don't have
Speaker 1: to give a bacon.
Speaker 4: No, bacon's obviously involved in this, oh for sure. By
Speaker 4: the way, there's mo Mosa's beer and bacon.
Speaker 1: I have a recipe for a French toast that's infused
Speaker 1: with bourbon that you might like.
Speaker 4: Also croissant French toasts.
Speaker 2: A very little question.
Speaker 4: I would like that bourbon involved. Yes, absolutely wrong, as we.
Speaker 2: Got rid of the French toast. That sounds great.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: This is not a breakfast show. It is a sports show. Promise, Ka, Nannie, Stephens,
Speaker 4: briand sext and John Osier with me here on Happy Hour.
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Speaker 4: River Water Management District. And it's been a busy day,
Speaker 4: but a fun day. We like when new faces are
Speaker 4: coming to town a little bit, probably more like two
Speaker 4: years ago when you guys had a bunch of people
Speaker 4: coming in new as opposed to last year was a
Speaker 4: little more quiet, probably a similar roster, not as many
Speaker 4: free agents coming in. But it feels like John, we've
Speaker 4: discussed a little bit, just to reiterate Eric arms Sad
Speaker 4: obviously a big name if that comes to fruition that's
Speaker 4: floated out there, that he'll be added to this mix.
Speaker 4: But of the people that are coming in, you know,
Speaker 4: veteran presences, you know, filling some needs, but also nothing crazy,
Speaker 4: which you want to build off what you have but
Speaker 4: also address issues.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you get tight against the hap and have
Speaker 5: to make changes, you have to manage what you do
Speaker 5: in freegency a little bit. And Brian's mentioned they spent
Speaker 5: a lot anyway, seventy five million that year, but they
Speaker 5: really this year couldn't come in and just break the
Speaker 5: bank on guys they had. When they decided that ray
Speaker 5: Sean and Darius were clearly not fits for what they
Speaker 5: wanted to do. Well, that's fine, except now you've got
Speaker 5: situations where you need those players. Well, it would have
Speaker 5: been hard to go out and get top of the
Speaker 5: market guy in those two situations. So again, are they
Speaker 5: worlds better from a just pure Hey look at my
Speaker 5: depth chart and with this talent. No, but I think
Speaker 5: their scheme fit better and I think they've made logical
Speaker 5: moves in some important places.
Speaker 1: Well, they're trying to win this year, right, I mean
Speaker 1: that they lost the chance to win the division on
Speaker 1: the final play, close to the final play of the
Speaker 1: Sea so they're not looking at it as the roster
Speaker 1: long term. They're looking at this year and for them,
Speaker 1: the guys that they went out and signed, they're looking
Speaker 1: to fill gaps. I mean, Ronald Darby is thirty years old.
Speaker 1: That's old for a football player, right, but they think
Speaker 1: you can still play. And Eric Armstead is thirty years old,
Speaker 1: Mors is thirty one. Mors is thirty one. So they
Speaker 1: are clearly looking at these guys and the value for
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, even though because of their cap they're
Speaker 1: having to make these multi year deals and push some
Speaker 1: of the money out. But you're always trying to have
Speaker 1: an eye towards two, three, four, five years down the road,
Speaker 1: and that's where the draft comes in, which is next
Speaker 1: on their list.
Speaker 4: It's good for me if I'm looking at from a
Speaker 4: fan perspective. I felt like last year maybe they you know,
Speaker 4: other than the addition of Calvin Ridley off after his
Speaker 4: suspension was up, it was a similar roster of the
Speaker 4: year before where you finished. Yeah, there was a great
Speaker 4: you know, playoff game in there. Comeback. That was awesome.
Speaker 4: He won the division, but that was a nine to
Speaker 4: eight team. Then you got pretty much same roster nine
Speaker 4: eight team, And yes there was things that happened throughout
Speaker 4: the season, of course, but I want to see change
Speaker 4: in the off season. Even if you're a super Bowl team,
Speaker 4: you see change in the off season, and we're certainly
Speaker 4: seeing that so far. We'll obviously see that with the
Speaker 4: draft as well, but so far I feel comfortable with
Speaker 4: the plays that they're making so far, at least the
Speaker 4: additions that we've seen through free agency.
Speaker 1: That's a good point because the Jaguars did bring everybody
Speaker 1: back off of that team, and usually your turnovers about
Speaker 1: a third of your roster, which means you're going to
Speaker 1: lose a couple of starters out of your starting twenty
Speaker 1: two that didn't hit them last year. They were able
Speaker 1: to adjust the cap and make that one work. But
Speaker 1: you know, new Blood, this.
Speaker 4: Is much more familiar position I think for most football
Speaker 4: teams kind of replace and can.
Speaker 1: Run you, and you've got to bring guys in that
Speaker 1: you can develop that are your guys, and you've also
Speaker 1: got to keep the cap replanished. You can't. I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example, because I'm a bit of a cap geek, right,
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints look like the two thousand and
Speaker 1: two Jacksonville Jaguars. They have been keeping everybody, keeping every
Speaker 1: you know, extending contracts and pushing money out, and they're
Speaker 1: in a position where they got unto the cap this year.
Speaker 1: They're okay this year. Next year they have already a
Speaker 1: fifty five million dollar deficit. They're fifty five million dollars
Speaker 1: over the cap that's projected for next year with only
Speaker 1: forty two players on the roster. You never want to
Speaker 1: get to that point. You never want to get to
Speaker 1: a point where you just keep keeping on and don't
Speaker 1: and don't because it kills your cap.
Speaker 4: It will be a fire sale at some point.
Speaker 1: I'm sure for them to blow up next year.
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Speaker 4: Keith from Duval by way of Miami. This is a
Speaker 4: good point because I thought of this recently. Stakes we
Speaker 4: haven't talked about it after that deal fell through. But
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on the kicker position.
Speaker 2: Well, they have Riley Patterson on the roster.
Speaker 5: Brandon McManus was allowed to hit free agency, which I
Speaker 5: don't think was a huge surprise. I think right now
Speaker 5: they're in decent shape because Riley's has shown he can
Speaker 5: make big kicks. I would be surprised if they don't.
Speaker 5: I mean, they'll certainly have competition for him. I would
Speaker 5: be a little surprised if that competition is not a
Speaker 5: draft pick. I think they'll draft a kicker at some
Speaker 5: point and try to find the guy that can be
Speaker 5: a X number a year guy.
Speaker 1: When I was in Kansas City last year, the rumor
Speaker 1: was that they were trying to get the kid from Michigan.
Speaker 1: Is it Jake Mooney that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what. Yeah, they were I think they
Speaker 2: were trying to get him.
Speaker 6: That was the rumor.
Speaker 1: And then the Niners jumped over the Jaguars and took him.
Speaker 1: So they were trying to address the position. You're always
Speaker 1: trying to address it with a young guy that you
Speaker 1: can bring in here and be that long term solution
Speaker 1: for you. I don't know if there's one in the draft.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the kickers. You haven't been focused
Speaker 1: on the offensive line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, hopefully I'm not taking a kicker at seventeen,
Speaker 4: so that'll be a little.
Speaker 1: Little fit Joseph Astian Janakowski.
Speaker 4: In this year, it's a little farther down the line, hopefully.
Speaker 4: Our second question for John is ericrom Jacksonville Beach. She said,
Speaker 4: we talked a little bit about this. What will the
Speaker 4: Jaguars do with wide receiver now? Round one?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Round one?
Speaker 5: You think, well, that was the automatic sort of quick trigger. Oh,
Speaker 5: they lost Ridley's a huge need. They got to go
Speaker 5: get one a round one. I would be very surprised
Speaker 5: if they went after round one, considering what we've all
Speaker 5: been talking about that Trent likes big people and the
Speaker 5: need at corner. So I think I think if something
Speaker 5: fell in their lap where they could, you know, if
Speaker 5: a veteran out there made sense, they could still make
Speaker 5: the same maneuver with Zay being available for release. But
Speaker 5: I kind of think that they don't see it as
Speaker 5: a huge need. And I don't know that for sure,
Speaker 5: but I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if they don't
Speaker 5: consider it a hot button issue.
Speaker 1: Right, now, you know, there's part of me that says,
Speaker 1: no receivers in the first round unless you're Marvin Harrison junior. Right,
Speaker 1: that's six foot four guy. I know, there's the Brian
Speaker 1: Thomas kid from LSU that has that sort of a frame.
Speaker 1: And then I remember last year that Zay Flowers was
Speaker 1: a late first round selection by the Ravens and he
Speaker 1: was really productive until that, you know, that playoff game
Speaker 1: against Kansas City. I mean, there's a really, really good
Speaker 1: player for them. So I suppose if you're sitting there
Speaker 1: and there's some guy that you have a high grade on,
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be a best available player purist,
Speaker 1: well then okay, if you've got a guy who can
Speaker 1: be an impact player. I just for the reasons that
Speaker 1: John has talked about on some of the shows this week,
Speaker 1: there's so many receivers now the game is at the
Speaker 1: college level is a passing game too, and there's just
Speaker 1: tons of receivers out there. Go find your guy. There's
Speaker 1: only so many big men on the planet who can move,
Speaker 1: and I just don't want to get away from those guys.
Speaker 4: I do think we should mention today the other person
Speaker 4: that's been in the building via trade. Is Mac Jones
Speaker 4: backup quarterback kind of the role they're seeing him as
Speaker 4: he was in the same draft class as Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 4: Things did not work out in New England. That was
Speaker 4: a bit of a mess up there. Not all his fault.
Speaker 4: They had, you know, three different offensive coordinators, one of
Speaker 4: which was not a real offensive course coordinator. So that's
Speaker 4: a tough situation to be in. But he's Jacksonville kid,
Speaker 4: He's coming back home. I have to imagine Doug Peterson's
Speaker 4: kind of like, let's see what I can do with this.
Speaker 4: Maybe I can make something out of it. John low risk,
Speaker 4: high reward, maybe a solid backup if you need him
Speaker 4: to play.
Speaker 5: I think you say Zachy right, it's low risk, low cost,
Speaker 5: a six round pick, and if he's here for a year,
Speaker 5: then you've got a six round pick that you're you know,
Speaker 5: paying minimally for a backup quarterback. And from max perspective,
Speaker 5: he said it in the pressure a minute ago, I
Speaker 5: want to get the trains back. I want to get
Speaker 5: the train back on the tracks. So he's a young guy,
Speaker 5: he's got plenty of experience. He talked a little bit
Speaker 5: in the presser about just how fast things move for
Speaker 5: a rookie when you're drafted, you come in and all
Speaker 5: of a sudden, you're the guy. You're the guy, You're
Speaker 5: the guy. I think this year could be good for him.
Speaker 5: You're with a quarterback guru and Doug. You don't have
Speaker 5: to worry about the pressure of what's the meeting and
Speaker 5: save abman? What's Belichick going to save abm it? What's
Speaker 5: this gonna happen? What's this gonna happen? And it's entirely
Speaker 5: conceivable for mac if if Trevor gets hurt for a month,
Speaker 5: which let's hope not, but if it does, he comes
Speaker 5: in plays well, it goes three and one. The quarterback
Speaker 5: needy free agent team in twenty twenty five is beating
Speaker 5: down his door and so that scenario could easily play
Speaker 5: out for him. And he's a good kid, even though
Speaker 5: he went to Bowls. This Episcopal grad hopes he does well.
Speaker 1: Listen, he was an academic All American with a four
Speaker 1: point zero at Alabama. Okay, he already has his master's degree,
Speaker 1: and he's made twelve million dollars, almost thirteen million dollars
Speaker 1: playing football. At the end of this year, it'll be
Speaker 1: about fifteen million dollars. He's at home.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: We heard Gabe Davis talk about being back in the
Speaker 1: sunshine in Florida, the big smile on his face, that
Speaker 1: he's glad to be home. I think he's in the
Speaker 1: situation where he can relax and work on himself, which
Speaker 1: he couldn't do as the starting quarterback. Right. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great situation for him, and clearly he's excited
Speaker 1: about it. I love the quip about his mom coming
Speaker 1: to pick him up from work.
Speaker 5: I'll promise you this, if my kid's living at home,
Speaker 5: he's made that kind of money, You're not picking up
Speaker 5: paying the mortgage for the next couple of months.
Speaker 4: You're not gonna be his super driver and come pick
Speaker 4: up up.
Speaker 2: I give him free rent. I gave him much money
Speaker 2: for you for you for a couple of months. Mac
Speaker 2: ain't getting free rent. Right, That was my kid. Maybe
Speaker 2: his mom feels different.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure she's happy to have him home. A
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