WEBVTT - My Test Image is the Centerfold

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeart Podcasts and how the

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<v Speaker 1>tech are you today? I want to tell the story

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<v Speaker 1>of Lenna orsin her role in the history of image

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<v Speaker 1>processing and technical papers, and why some publications and organizations

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<v Speaker 1>are now banning papers that contain her photograph. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't actually heard of any of this before I read

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<v Speaker 1>an article in Ours Technica by BINGJ. Edwards titled Playboy

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<v Speaker 1>image from nineteen seventy two gets banned from I Tripoli

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<v Speaker 1>computer Journals. Yeah, we're going to be telling you about

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<v Speaker 1>Playboy and nude modeling as well, because that all is

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<v Speaker 1>involved in this story, all right. The first up, who

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<v Speaker 1>is Lena for Senne? Well, she's a model from Sweden.

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<v Speaker 1>She moved to America and in her early twenties she

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<v Speaker 1>was a model and Playboy discovered her and she became

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<v Speaker 1>Miss November nineteen seventy two. The centerfold photo of her

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<v Speaker 1>pictorial would become entwined with tech history, and not just

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<v Speaker 1>because some tech heads were subscribed to Playboy, although I

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<v Speaker 1>suspected that played a large part in it, and her

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<v Speaker 1>image is one that you've probably seen at least the

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<v Speaker 1>portion of the image of her centerfold that has been

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<v Speaker 1>used in the tech sector, because it's literally been used

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of times. I know that when I saw the picture,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh, that's where that's from, because I had

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<v Speaker 1>never thought to look any further into it. So a

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<v Speaker 1>photographer named Dwight Hooker took the photo in question, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the photo, Lena Foceen stands facing a mirror and

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<v Speaker 1>her back is to the camerage. She's turned her head

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<v Speaker 1>so that she's looking back over her shoulder to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the camera lens. And the centerfold version of this

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<v Speaker 1>photo is full body, you know, from head to toe,

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<v Speaker 1>well technically hat to toe, because she is wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>hat and a boa and really nothing else. The section

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<v Speaker 1>of the image that matters the most to our story

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<v Speaker 1>is from her shoulders up shoulders to the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the feathered hat she is wearing, because that's the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the image that we play a huge role in

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<v Speaker 1>the development of image processing in general, and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a cropped image from a centerfold photo

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<v Speaker 1>in Playboy would become a source of debate and I

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<v Speaker 1>hesitate to use the word controversy. I'm not sure that

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<v Speaker 1>it was that controversial as much as it was concerning.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll talk all about that when we get toward

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this episode. But let's go back to

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen seventies, more specifically the summer of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three. Getting more specific than just the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three is a bit tricky because the folks who

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<v Speaker 1>have related the story as it unfolded about using this

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<v Speaker 1>image in the first place, we're all working from memory,

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<v Speaker 1>so they were just like, it's June or July nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three. That's about as specific as we can get.

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<v Speaker 1>The place, however, we can narrow down. The place was

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Southern California, and specifically the Signal and

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<v Speaker 1>Image Processing Institute or SIPI or SIPPY as I will

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<v Speaker 1>call it. The institute at that point was pretty darn young,

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<v Speaker 1>so an alumnus of USC named William Pratt led a

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<v Speaker 1>group of alumni to establish this institute in nineteen seventy two,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had the goal of tackling three big challenges

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<v Speaker 1>in computing and digital images. So, according to the organization's

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary celebration page because they just recently celebrated that

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years ago. The challenges were to solve quote,

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<v Speaker 1>image code, image restoration, and image data extractioned. So remember

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<v Speaker 1>this is decades before we would get industry standards like JPEG,

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<v Speaker 1>and even still more than a decade before the bitmap

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<v Speaker 1>image file format. So the folks at USC SIPPY, which

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<v Speaker 1>back then was just called IPPI, they were doing work

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<v Speaker 1>that would inform these later standards. So this is like

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<v Speaker 1>the early work where they're coming up with the methodologies

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately would find their way into various file formats

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<v Speaker 1>much further down the line. So they were laying the

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<v Speaker 1>groundwork now. In that summer of nineteen seventy three, an

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<v Speaker 1>electrical engineering assistant professor named Alexander Sawchuk was working with

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<v Speaker 1>grad students to find an image that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to scan. So Sawchuk had a colleague who was preparing

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<v Speaker 1>a paper for a conference, and this paper was all

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<v Speaker 1>about the process they were using at USC to scan

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<v Speaker 1>images and to digitize them. And Sawchuk wanted to grab

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<v Speaker 1>something that they hadn't already used a dozen times in

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<v Speaker 1>various test scans, like they had some stock photos that

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<v Speaker 1>were their go to, but everyone had seen those already,

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<v Speaker 1>and moreover, the folks in the lab were just sick

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<v Speaker 1>of them, so they wanted to get something new. Plus,

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<v Speaker 1>they wanted something that would really show off their methodology

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<v Speaker 1>to good effect. So they wanted something that was special.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted a glossy photo that had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>intricate detail inside of it and also a high level

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<v Speaker 1>of contrast in it. They wanted something that had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of dynamic elements so that their methodology could be

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<v Speaker 1>shown off in the best light, so to speak. So

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<v Speaker 1>he also wanted the photo to be of a person's face,

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<v Speaker 1>to really, you know, have something that people could see

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<v Speaker 1>and recognize immediately as oh, that's a human being, and

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<v Speaker 1>thus be able to tell how well the process worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Now history has lost the name of the heat Row

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<v Speaker 1>who walked by carrying an issue of the November nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy two Playboy magazine. Let me just say, the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies were definitely a different time. But even as someone

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<v Speaker 1>who was born in the nineteen seventies, as an I

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<v Speaker 1>was born in the seventies, y'all, it is hard for

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<v Speaker 1>me to imagine just casually bringing a Playboy magazine into

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<v Speaker 1>an academic lab like that, or just carrying it around

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<v Speaker 1>at a college campus. It's hard for me to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. But then I'm also not an electrical engineer,

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<v Speaker 1>so maybe I just I'm just built different. The scanner

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<v Speaker 1>that the team was using was a mirror head or

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<v Speaker 1>mir head muirhad, I'm butchering the pronunciation, but he was

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<v Speaker 1>a wire photo machine and had a scanning resolution of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred lines per inch. Their plan was to scan

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<v Speaker 1>a five twelve x five twelve image, So five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve lines by five hundred and twelve lines I

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<v Speaker 1>meant the photo that they scanned could only be five

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<v Speaker 1>point one two inches to a side right one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>lines to an inch. So that would mean that they

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<v Speaker 1>could not do a full scan of the centerfold, and

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<v Speaker 1>they shouldn't even have thought of it anyway, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they didn't because it would have been incredibly inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>to present the centerfold as a scanned image in a

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<v Speaker 1>conference paper, considering the nudity. That would just be inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>So they just went the top five point one two

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<v Speaker 1>inches of the image showing, which would crop the photo

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<v Speaker 1>at Lenna's shoulders, so it would just be the shoulders up. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the actual scanning technology for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in the early nineteen seventies, and you might

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how old was wire photo technology. Believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>wire photo services had been in operation for around fifty

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<v Speaker 1>years by the time we're talking about making computer scans. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, in the early twentieth century, people were not

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<v Speaker 1>scanning photographs into computers. That wasn't happening. But what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing was they were using technology to turn photographs

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<v Speaker 1>into electrical signals that could then be transmitted over wire

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<v Speaker 1>or over radio waves. Now, there were different particulars for

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<v Speaker 1>the various methodologies. There wasn't just one device out there

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<v Speaker 1>that did this. But generally speaking, a typical approach with

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<v Speaker 1>a wire photo scanner would have a machine that consisted

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<v Speaker 1>of a drum, and on this drum you would place

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<v Speaker 1>the image because kind of similar to like a photocopier

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<v Speaker 1>in that respect, and the drum would rotate and as

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<v Speaker 1>the drum rotated, there would be this tiny dot of

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<v Speaker 1>light that would hit the photograph and slowly make its

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<v Speaker 1>way across the width of the photograph. So as the

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<v Speaker 1>light was moving, the drum would rotate fast enough so

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<v Speaker 1>that the light would scan the entire length of the photograph,

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<v Speaker 1>and the photograph would reflect some of that light onto

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<v Speaker 1>a photovoltaic cell, so kind of similar to what you

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<v Speaker 1>would find in the solar cell right now. The intensity

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<v Speaker 1>of the light that hit that photovoltaic cell would determine

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of electrical charge that the cell could generate.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means you would end up with this variable

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<v Speaker 1>electrical signal, and that signal would represent the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>light that was reflected off the photograph. You can think

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<v Speaker 1>of it as a really strong signal shows a bright

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<v Speaker 1>part of the image, and a weak signal would show

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<v Speaker 1>a dark part of the image. To oversimplify it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you could then take this electrical signal and you could

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<v Speaker 1>send it to a destination. You could do so directly

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<v Speaker 1>over a wire, it's like a power line or phone

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<v Speaker 1>line or something. Or you could further transform the information

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<v Speaker 1>by converting the signal into radio waves and then broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the radio waves to a receiver which would then reverse

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<v Speaker 1>the process to capture the radio waves, convert them back

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<v Speaker 1>into an electrical signal, and then send them on. So

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<v Speaker 1>either way this electrical signal would make its way to

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<v Speaker 1>the other end, where you would have a similar device

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<v Speaker 1>to the scanner. It would also have a drum on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of a photo on it, you would have

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<v Speaker 1>photoreactive paper or film on it, and the drum would

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<v Speaker 1>rotate in synchronization with the rotation of the original drum,

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<v Speaker 1>synchronization of what it was going at when it was scanning,

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<v Speaker 1>that is, and it would also project a light, and

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<v Speaker 1>that light the projection of that light would depend upon

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<v Speaker 1>that varying electrical signal, So in strong parts of the signal,

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<v Speaker 1>the light would be more intense, and in weaker parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the signal it'd be dimmer. And so this light

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<v Speaker 1>would hit the photoreactive film on the drum. As the

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<v Speaker 1>drum rotated, the light would also scan across the width

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<v Speaker 1>of the film. And then you would take the film

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<v Speaker 1>and you would develop it, and you would end up

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<v Speaker 1>with a copy of the original image that was used

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<v Speaker 1>on the first device. This was really clever. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>clever way to take an image, transform it into a signal,

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<v Speaker 1>and then take that signal and transform it back into

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of the image. All Right, we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break here. When we come back, i'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about how this centerfold image found its way into

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<v Speaker 1>tech history, but first let's take a break to thank

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsors. Okay, we're back. So I talked before the

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<v Speaker 1>break about the actual technical approach toward wire photo scanning,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a very clever approach. However, it's also an

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<v Speaker 1>analog approach, so, in other words, it's not directly compatible

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<v Speaker 1>with the world of computers, which is a digital world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's built on top of the concept of binary right

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<v Speaker 1>zeros and ones. You can think of the computer as

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<v Speaker 1>viewing the world as stuff that's I off or it's on,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas analog is more like a continuum. This, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the many bases of arguments that audio

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<v Speaker 1>files make that analog audio is inherently better than digital audio,

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<v Speaker 1>because analog is a representation of an unbroken signal, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>digital is a bunch of zeros and ones that give

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<v Speaker 1>you little, tiny steps. And yes, the steps can be

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<v Speaker 1>very very tiny, so tiny that to our perception it's

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<v Speaker 1>no different than an unbroken signal. But if you get

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<v Speaker 1>down far enough, it is it's broken up. And apparently

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<v Speaker 1>that's enough to make digital worse than analog. Not every

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<v Speaker 1>audio file believes that. By the way, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to paint everyone with the same brush, but that is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the arguments that audio files make. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>personally buy into it. I do think you can reach

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<v Speaker 1>a level of fidelity that is so indistinguishable from any

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<v Speaker 1>other format that it makes no difference, but that's my

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<v Speaker 1>own personal opinion anyway. The wire photo scanning approach is

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<v Speaker 1>an analog technology. You're getting this variable electrical signal that's

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<v Speaker 1>a continuous thing, not a bunch of zeros and ones.

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<v Speaker 1>So in order to be able to process this in

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<v Speaker 1>a computer and to be able to make a computer

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<v Speaker 1>scan of this, the lab actually had to use analog

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<v Speaker 1>to digital converters to connect to the scanner in order

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<v Speaker 1>to change those signals into binary data that a computer

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<v Speaker 1>could make sense of. Actually, the lab had three analog

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<v Speaker 1>to digital converters. They had one for red, one for green,

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<v Speaker 1>and one for blue, and collectively these three converters would

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<v Speaker 1>supply all the information needed to recreate the image on

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<v Speaker 1>a computer with the proper colors, because obviously if you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have that then you would have to work with

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<v Speaker 1>a monochromatic digital image, right you would just have information

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<v Speaker 1>as to the brightness or darkness, but you wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>that related to things like what color that was. By

0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:08.400
<v Speaker 1>using filters and three different digital analog to digital converters,

0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:12.680
<v Speaker 1>they could recreate that. Now. The computational side of their

0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.760
<v Speaker 1>work was handled by a Hewlett Packard twenty one hundred

0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.000
<v Speaker 1>mini computer. Now we don't tend to use the term

0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.840
<v Speaker 1>mini computer anymore these days, and the name might give

0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you the wrong impression if you aren't aren't ancient like

0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I am. Many computers were not teeny tiny machines despite

0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the name mini computer. Many computers were still honking big computers.

0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.120
<v Speaker 1>They could weigh more than two hundred pounds easy. Now

0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they were called many computers because despite their size, they

0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.440
<v Speaker 1>were smaller and less powerful than the giant mainframe machines

0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.640
<v Speaker 1>you might find in some places. Many computers came out

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<v Speaker 1>before the era of personal computers, but there was quite

0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a bit of overlap between the era of many computers

0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.560
<v Speaker 1>and the era of PCs did come out. While many

0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.960
<v Speaker 1>computers were still very much the regular type of machine

0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:09.280
<v Speaker 1>you would encounter in say a scientific lab, a research lab,

0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.360
<v Speaker 1>or maybe a financial institution. That kind of thing you

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<v Speaker 1>were more likely to run across a mini computer than

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<v Speaker 1>a personal computer because for lots of years, PCs just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't match the performance of many computers, and a lot

0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of organizations had higher needs than a PC could provide,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't have such high demands that they needed

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<v Speaker 1>to invest millions of dollars into a mainframe computer, So

0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the mini computer was kind of the best solution. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time you get to the late nineties early

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands, personal computers were at a performance level where

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<v Speaker 1>many computers weren't really relevant anymore. Many computers also were

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<v Speaker 1>reducing in size. There was kind of this convergence happening

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<v Speaker 1>where PCs were essentially being able to do the stuff

0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.520
<v Speaker 1>that the mini computers of the past could do. But

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<v Speaker 1>back in the nineteen seventy, if you were doing serious

0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.360
<v Speaker 1>scientific research on the computer, chances are it was a

0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.920
<v Speaker 1>mini computer unless the geeks and the college mainframe center

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<v Speaker 1>really liked you and gave you time to use on

0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.560
<v Speaker 1>their machines. But time on a mainframe was a really

0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.800
<v Speaker 1>sought after commodity anyway. The HP twenty one hundred was

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<v Speaker 1>a sixteen bit machine that means it could handle data

0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.320
<v Speaker 1>units that were sixteen bits wide. That means it could

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<v Speaker 1>store two to the sixteenth power of values, which is

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five, five hundred and thirty six values. These days,

0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you probably own a PC running. I mean, at least

0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.320
<v Speaker 1>it's a thirty two bit mode, if not a sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four bit mode. So we have come a very long

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<v Speaker 1>way from those days in the early nineteen seventies. Now,

0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the scanning process itself took quite a bit of time,

0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and it was a little bit finicky. In fact, during

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<v Speaker 1>that first scan there were a couple of errors in

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<v Speaker 1>the process. For one thing, there was a software issue,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that at the end of the day there

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<v Speaker 1>was a single line missing from the scanned photo. It

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<v Speaker 1>only had five hundred eleven lines, not five hundred twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>So the team decided that in order to fix that,

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<v Speaker 1>they would just copy the very top line of the

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<v Speaker 1>image and then place it at the very top of it,

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<v Speaker 1>so the top line of the image was there twice,

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<v Speaker 1>and that way they got the five hundred and twelve

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<v Speaker 1>lines that they wanted. They also found out that their

0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:29.080
<v Speaker 1>analog to digital converters were not properly synchronized with the drum,

0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:32.800
<v Speaker 1>so the image they had was just a touch distorted,

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<v Speaker 1>not like to a terrible level, but it was a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bit elongated. Now, from what I understand, you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>really know it unless you were comparing the scanned photo

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<v Speaker 1>to the original photograph. It wasn't like it was to

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<v Speaker 1>a point where it was, you know, disturbing or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if you were going to compare it

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<v Speaker 1>to the original, it means that you just brought a

0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.040
<v Speaker 1>copy of Playboy into the conference and that probably is

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<v Speaker 1>a reflection on your own sense of propriety. But who

0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.080
<v Speaker 1>am I to judge. I'm somewhat amused that the team

0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.600
<v Speaker 1>felt that replicating a top line and accepting a little

0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:11.680
<v Speaker 1>deformation in their copied image were both within acceptable limits

0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.800
<v Speaker 1>for their colleague's conference paper. So my guess is they

0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:19.080
<v Speaker 1>must have really been under the gun to meet a deadline. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine that they wouldn't just try the scan

0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.399
<v Speaker 1>again to get a better result. Then again, maybe the

0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:30.040
<v Speaker 1>process really was so slow and cumbersome and unpredictable that

0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.879
<v Speaker 1>no one really had the desire to give it another

0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.680
<v Speaker 1>go without a guaranteed success. Right, So maybe the scan

0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.920
<v Speaker 1>was actually better than what they normally got out of

0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the process, and there, they felt they were lucky getting

0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.119
<v Speaker 1>away with what they got. Whatever the reason, this imperfect

0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:49.080
<v Speaker 1>scan was what made it into that conference presentation, and

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.840
<v Speaker 1>ultimately it's what would make Lenna something of a celebrity

0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:56.080
<v Speaker 1>within the image processing world. Well, that and the fact

0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.199
<v Speaker 1>that Lenna's photograph showcased her youth and beauty, and you know,

0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the jaunt tilt of her hat with the long purple

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.440
<v Speaker 1>feather added some flare to it. And there's no denying

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that the photograph has just got great composition in lighting

0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:12.720
<v Speaker 1>and that it captures Lenna's looks really well. I mean,

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a picture of a beautiful young woman, so it

0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 1>obviously had some captivating factors all by itself. Now, the

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.080
<v Speaker 1>story goes that attend days at this conference wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to test their own processes and methodologies against

0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the Sippy Labs version. But to test like against like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they would need to have two things. They

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<v Speaker 1>would need a copy of Sippy's version of the scanned image,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would need access to the original image so

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.120
<v Speaker 1>that they could perform their own scans and then compare

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.080
<v Speaker 1>them to Sippy's results. Well, access to the original was

0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty easy because it was in a published magazine, which,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I gather, was a pretty large circulation in general,

0:19:56.040 --> 0:20:00.720
<v Speaker 1>but seemed particularly popular in computer engineering circles. So apparently

0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>there was no shortage of that original centerfold. The scanned

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 1>version they would need to get from Sippy, but Sippy

0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.120
<v Speaker 1>chose to share it liberally. They said, sure, yeah, well

0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.560
<v Speaker 1>absolutely share this image of our scan. You can have

0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.719
<v Speaker 1>a copy of it now. The result of all this

0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.040
<v Speaker 1>is that Lenna's image became a de facto standard for

0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.560
<v Speaker 1>testing scanning technologies and compression algorithms, and her photograph were

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<v Speaker 1>rather more specifically, a scan of her photograph would find

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<v Speaker 1>its way into countless journals and papers about the different

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:42.480
<v Speaker 1>methods for creating digital image files. This actually reminds me

0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:45.960
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the history of the MP three format.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might remember that the engineers behind the MP

0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.000
<v Speaker 1>three algorithm, you know, when they were trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out the compression algorithm to use, they used a version

0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:01.879
<v Speaker 1>of Suzanne Vegas Song Tom's Diner to calibrate their approach,

0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.640
<v Speaker 1>so they would make tweaks to how the algorithm would

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<v Speaker 1>choose which information to keep and which information could be

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<v Speaker 1>tossed aside. That's how the MP three file format really works.

0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.600
<v Speaker 1>The compression algorithm, and I'm talking about file size compression,

0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 1>not audio compression. The filesize compression algorithm looks at the

0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.600
<v Speaker 1>elements of a sound file and says, what can we

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of that isn't going to compromise the quality

0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:33.159
<v Speaker 1>of the audio to such a degree that it's undesirable.

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<v Speaker 1>So they would make changes to their algorithm. Then they

0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:42.040
<v Speaker 1>would put Tom's Diner through the algorithm. Then they would

0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:45.760
<v Speaker 1>listen to the compressed song and find out if the

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:49.239
<v Speaker 1>changes they made were manifest, if they were obvious when

0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the song is played, they were perceptible. So the goal

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.480
<v Speaker 1>obviously was to maintain the song's quality as much as possible,

0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.239
<v Speaker 1>even as they would reduce the file size. Well in

0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:02.840
<v Speaker 1>some ways, this play always centerfold photograph of Lenna served

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 1>much the same purpose, but in image research labs, you know,

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the labs that we're working on the future of digital imagery.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's interesting to me about this part of it

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>is that Playboy found out about this. The magazine found

0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.000
<v Speaker 1>out about this, and in a move that is a

0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit surprising considering how we typically see companies really

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.719
<v Speaker 1>move swiftly to protect their intellectual property. Playboy chose not

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:32.119
<v Speaker 1>to do anything about it. For one thing, the distribution

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.240
<v Speaker 1>of Lena's scanned image was pretty good publicity for the magazine. Plus,

0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:38.919
<v Speaker 1>the various labs that wanted to test their own processes

0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:42.280
<v Speaker 1>would need copies of the nineteen seventy two November issue

0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to measure their results against what Sippy produced, So you

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 1>had some guaranteed magazine sales out there. So Playboy's like,

0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what, this is not bad for us. We're

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:55.480
<v Speaker 1>not gonna pursue the fact that this image that we

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<v Speaker 1>owned the copyright too, is being used in various academic papers,

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in thousands of journals. As for Lena, she got word

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.879
<v Speaker 1>that her picture was being used by computer labs to

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<v Speaker 1>advance digital imagery technology, and it sounds to me like

0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:13.120
<v Speaker 1>she was pretty tickled by the whole thing. She certainly

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.560
<v Speaker 1>was happy to appear at a nineteen ninety seven conference

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.359
<v Speaker 1>in Boston. Playboy actually helped track her down so that

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:25.000
<v Speaker 1>she would be invited to this engineering conference. So there

0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:30.080
<v Speaker 1>she goes, a former Playboy model appearing at an electrical

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>engineering conference in Boston, Massachusetts, where she signed autographs for

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 1>people who had been using her photograph while working on

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:43.760
<v Speaker 1>their own imagery projects like she was a celebrity. There. Okay,

0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>we've got more to say about this iconic image and

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:49.919
<v Speaker 1>its place in the tech sector and how that place

0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>is changing. But before we get to all that, let's

0:23:53.240 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>take another quick break to thank our sponsors. All Right,

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 1>we're back now. According to numerous sources that I came

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.399
<v Speaker 1>across when I was researching this, the image of Lenna

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:18.320
<v Speaker 1>found its way into literally thousands of papers and articles

0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>over the following decades, in the nineteen seventies, the eighties,

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 1>the nineties, the two thousands. I mean, it's it's still

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 1>found in circulating articles and papers to this day. And

0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:36.080
<v Speaker 1>not only was it essentially ubiquitous in the tech literature

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and often used by people who had no idea of

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that image's history, it also became sort of an icon

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 1>for an ongoing conversation that's really nuanced and complicated and

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 1>important in the tech space, and it was an easy

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:57.919
<v Speaker 1>way to kind of point to this one image and

0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 1>use it as sort of the entry point for that conversation.

0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:04.879
<v Speaker 1>And there's been a movement now to really call a

0:25:04.920 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>stop to using this picture in academic papers and articles

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 1>because it reinforces an aspect of a harmful environment in

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the tech space. Again, this is nuanced, This is complicated.

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to just say using a picture

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:27.159
<v Speaker 1>that originated from Playboy magazine is already inherently bad, and

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>that's the start and end of it. It's not the

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>start and end of it. It's one aspect of a

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:36.479
<v Speaker 1>much larger conversation. There is no denying that historically the

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>field of computer science has been dominated by men. Now

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>this is despite the fact that many women, incredible intelligent

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>women have made phenomenal contributions to computer science. Some of

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the most important contributions to computer science came from women,

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>women like Ada Lovelace. Ada Lovelace envision that numbers in

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>mathematics could be used to re present everything from paintings

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 1>to music. She was arguing for computer science before a

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 1>computer existed. Or you had women like Grace Hopper who

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:14.719
<v Speaker 1>led teams developing early computer programming languages. Or you had

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the women who worked for the US military who calculated

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>ballistics charts for artillery. Again for the military, these women

0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>were actually the first computers. That was their job title.

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:32.840
<v Speaker 1>They were computers. They computed those ballistic charts. So they

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 1>clearly have made some massive contributions to the field. However,

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>when you looked at a typical computer lab, especially like

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies, that was a space that was

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 1>almost filled exclusively with young men. In the United States,

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 1>it was usually young white men at that point, and

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:54.040
<v Speaker 1>this homogeneous group of people fell into a tendency that

0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>typically happens when you get a bunch of people together

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 1>who all share the same backgrounds. It doesn't just happened

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.399
<v Speaker 1>with white guys, like it happens with any group of

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>people who are all very similar to one another. Certain

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:10.479
<v Speaker 1>things are going to rise to the top and become

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:13.679
<v Speaker 1>norms within that group. And if you didn't belong to

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that group, those norms might not be very welcoming. In fact,

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>they could feel downright hostile or demeaning. And again, this

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>happens with any group of homogeneous folks, like these norms

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>just kind of establish themselves over time. Now, that was

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>a large part of what would become the Losing Lena movement.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a lot of different organizations that took part

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in this. In fact, there was a documentary called Losing

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<v Speaker 1>Lena Women, and these organizations really began to push for

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>publications and the various technical societies to abandon the use

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.159
<v Speaker 1>of Lena's image as a testing standard. They argued that

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<v Speaker 1>the tech world is far more diverse than that, that

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.359
<v Speaker 1>there are lots of different voices in the tech space,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and his image taking such a prominent role in tech

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>was really a byproduct of bias from these homogeneous groups

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of mostly white guys who really kind of created the

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<v Speaker 1>culture of the tech space, and they felt that this

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<v Speaker 1>was something that they could actually address and maybe start

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation about all of that. As for Lenna herself,

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<v Speaker 1>she came out in favor of retiring her photos. In

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. She made a statement saying she had retired

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<v Speaker 1>from modeling and it was time for her to retire

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<v Speaker 1>from technology as well. Now she remains proud of her work,

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<v Speaker 1>and she should, but she also recognizes how the almost

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<v Speaker 1>mandated use of her photograph in digital imagery could reinforce

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<v Speaker 1>an unwelcome environment considering the origin for that picture, Playboy,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where the conversation really needs to get nuanced.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most folks who criticized the use of Lenna's

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<v Speaker 1>photograph in technology, they don't harbor any animosity toward Lenna herself.

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<v Speaker 1>They aren't saying that she was a bad person for

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<v Speaker 1>taking the job or working with Playboy or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think most of them are even calling out

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<v Speaker 1>Playboy beyond the fact that Playboy was catering to a group,

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<v Speaker 1>a demographic that also happened to be the same demographic

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of defined the culture of the tech space.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's really the problem, right, There's this deep culture

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<v Speaker 1>in tech space that has at best been unwelcoming toward women,

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<v Speaker 1>and at worst, it has been downright hostile. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>does not mean that every tech department in every business,

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<v Speaker 1>or every school or organization or whatever is bad or

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<v Speaker 1>just staffed entirely with misogynists. That's not what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's also no denying that many of the institutions

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<v Speaker 1>in tech are male centric and male dominated, and this

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<v Speaker 1>poses a challenge. How do you address a male dominated

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<v Speaker 1>industry in a way that opens it up and makes

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<v Speaker 1>it more welcoming to people who aren't male. And to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear, I really do think opening up is a

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<v Speaker 1>good thing. I think welcoming people from different demographics ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>it results in better output, whether it's a service or

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<v Speaker 1>a product. Bringing people from a diverse collection of experiences

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<v Speaker 1>and backgrounds helps you get new ideas and approaches that

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have occurred if you're just working with a homogeneous group.

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<v Speaker 1>You find perspectives that you hadn't considered before. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that the whole diversity, equity and inclusion topic, the

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<v Speaker 1>DEI topic, is a hot button issue, and often folks

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<v Speaker 1>will weaponize the idea to suggest that the real goal

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<v Speaker 1>of DEI is to water everything down. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why that's the go to. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think most people are like, hey, I want everything to

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<v Speaker 1>be crappy. In fact, I think that's exact opposite. You know, personally,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe that making DEI a focus is

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<v Speaker 1>a bad thing. However, I do understand that other folks

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<v Speaker 1>have a very different opinion. And certainly there are instances

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<v Speaker 1>in which a company or organization might make token gestures

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<v Speaker 1>toward DEI but ultimately cause more harm than good in

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<v Speaker 1>the process. I've seen that happen a lot. I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>companies that have done these sort of token gestures, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately it is demoralizing, it can harm their output, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's because there's no genuine commitment toward improving diversity and representation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more about how can we look good on the

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<v Speaker 1>surface level without having to take the hard work of

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<v Speaker 1>addressing the underlying issues. But that's a topic for another time. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it really does benefit a group to consider

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<v Speaker 1>the opinions and expertise of folks who come from other

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<v Speaker 1>backgrounds and points of view. But to do that, you

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<v Speaker 1>first have to make sure that you're not just discouraging

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<v Speaker 1>these people from participating in the first place. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what the Losing Lina movement was really about, using just

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<v Speaker 1>one component of a much larger cultural issue in technology,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's been some progress on that front. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just this week, the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers

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<v Speaker 1>or I Triple E, or as I like to say

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<v Speaker 1>I E, they just announced that they would no longer

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<v Speaker 1>accept papers that included the Lena image in them. In fact, editors,

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<v Speaker 1>if they find the image in the paper, are supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to reach out to the producers of that paper and

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<v Speaker 1>work with them to select a different image to go

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<v Speaker 1>in that place, rather than just an outright rejection. So

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<v Speaker 1>the IEE or send out an email to their members that,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, stated quote in alignment with this culture

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<v Speaker 1>and with respect to the wishes of the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>the image, Lena for sen IEEE will no longer accept

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<v Speaker 1>submitted papers which include the quote unquote Lena image end

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<v Speaker 1>full quote. So the I Triple E is not the

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<v Speaker 1>only organization to announce this kind of a ban. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>a year before or Lenna herself came out to support

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<v Speaker 1>her removal or the removal of her image rather in

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<v Speaker 1>various papers and journals, the scientific journal Nature said they

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<v Speaker 1>were banned any papers that were submitted that included the

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<v Speaker 1>Lena image. So this has been going on for a

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<v Speaker 1>few years. And again I do think this is a

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<v Speaker 1>very complex issue and it requires compassion and critical thinking

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<v Speaker 1>to approach it properly. I see really the whole Lena

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<v Speaker 1>image thing as an opportunity to start having deeper, more

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<v Speaker 1>meaningful conversations about the cultural climate in the tech sector

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<v Speaker 1>in general, and really to examine what is and isn't

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<v Speaker 1>working on that cultural level. And yes, that might mean

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately you might have to make some changes in

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<v Speaker 1>how your organization does stuff. Those changes might to some

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be arbitrary or irritating, but if it means

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<v Speaker 1>creating a more welcoming environment where innovation can come from

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<v Speaker 1>news sources. Ultimately, every every body benefits from that. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's one reason to support these kinds of changes, at

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<v Speaker 1>least the ones that are made at a genuine level

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<v Speaker 1>and not just a way to get good quote unquote optics,

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<v Speaker 1>since we're talking digital imagery here. Plus, if you're really

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<v Speaker 1>upset about the Lina image being phased out of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole tech sphere, that picture's everywhere on the web. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not disappearing like. You could do a quick Google image

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<v Speaker 1>search and you're gonna find countless examples of the Lina

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<v Speaker 1>image out there. I mean, if you wanted to, you

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<v Speaker 1>could probably even track down a vintage copy of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy two November issue of Playboy if you look

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<v Speaker 1>hard enough. It's okay if the imagery world moves on

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<v Speaker 1>to adopt other pictures as a means of testing technologies

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<v Speaker 1>and algorithms. I mean, Lenna said, So, all right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>it for this episode of tech Stuff. I hope you

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