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Speaker 1: of three point attempts in an NBA game? Too much
Speaker 1: of a good thing? Chris Mannox will join us on
Speaker 1: loan from Sports Illustrated coming up. I'm looking at the numbers.
Speaker 1: The NBA is on pace to make twenty seven thousand,
Speaker 1: seven hundred thirty one three pointers this season. That would
Speaker 1: be just two hundred and twenty four shy of the record,
Speaker 1: which was set in twenty eighteen. Keep in mind, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have ten games less for each team this season.
Speaker 1: Team's averaging almost thirteen made three pointers per game. The
Speaker 1: league is on pace to break that record for a
Speaker 1: ninth consecutive season, also averaging thirty five attempts from three
Speaker 1: point range per game. That'll be a record for the
Speaker 1: tenth consecutive season. But I'll talk to Mannix about it.
Speaker 1: Saw an article on ESPN that said, may maybe you
Speaker 1: limit the number three point attempts or made. Let's say
Speaker 1: you have twenty that you can do each half, and
Speaker 1: then after that at three point shot counts is two points.
Speaker 1: I think if you brought a little bit more physicality
Speaker 1: to the NBA where you could hand check somebody that
Speaker 1: might help out a little bit. Right now, it's basically
Speaker 1: free flowing where you can just stand on the perimeter
Speaker 1: and everybody can take a shot. Ball movement pretty good
Speaker 1: on the perimeter. Kids love it as well. I mean
Speaker 1: you're able to imitate your best player, your favorite player.
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine that you get on the court, you
Speaker 1: want to be Steph Curry. How often do you get
Speaker 1: to do that? But I don't know if people are
Speaker 1: bothered by it. Maybe it's just a purist that there's
Speaker 1: too much of a good thing here. This is what
Speaker 1: basketball is. It's about dunking, it's about layups, and it's
Speaker 1: about three point attempts. Okay, So we're going to take
Speaker 1: away something that the players have improved upon, because for
Speaker 1: a while, there are a lot of players who weren't
Speaker 1: great shooters. They made themselves great shooters. I think what
Speaker 1: the NBA may look at is, are we creating great
Speaker 1: basketball players? Are they one dimensional? Just stand on the
Speaker 1: perimeter and you can stay in the league for next
Speaker 1: or five years because you can shoot. Or we've seen
Speaker 1: marquee players like Jason Kidd or Vince Carter, they become
Speaker 1: three point specialist. I'm okay with it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be I don't want to add gimmicks. Hey, how
Speaker 1: many three pointers have we attempted? Nineteen? So you get
Speaker 1: one more this half or in the final six minutes
Speaker 1: it's been proposed. Now this is just you know, I
Speaker 1: think power brokers behind the scenes talking about this in
Speaker 1: the final six minutes. Then the limitations are off. You
Speaker 1: can shoot as many threes as you want to. I
Speaker 1: don't need gimmicks. This is basketball. You said this is
Speaker 1: what you need to do, and players have improved their games.
Speaker 1: Now I go, oh, wait a minute, you guys got
Speaker 1: too good? Got too good here? Yeah, Paul, you sound
Speaker 1: like a guy who doesn't need a gimmick, but you'd
Speaker 1: kind of like something to cool off the threes. I
Speaker 1: would like. Okay, First of all, you watch games now
Speaker 1: where nobody's called for palming, like you can get your shot,
Speaker 1: there's no traveling, and I can't put my hand on you.
Speaker 1: These guys are so elite in what they do and
Speaker 1: I can't slow them down. This is when you go
Speaker 1: back and you watch a game that Jordan played in,
Speaker 1: or Bird or magic. I can physic, I can be
Speaker 1: physical with you. I could put my hand on you now,
Speaker 1: it was still entertaining. I just I don't know how
Speaker 1: it's so hard to play defense now because I can't
Speaker 1: put my hand on you at all, and there's no
Speaker 1: nobody calls carry anymore. John Stockton and Allen Iverson used
Speaker 1: to have a little bit more of a handle and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Why I was watching a
Speaker 1: game last night college, I'm going nobody's calling this North
Speaker 1: Carolina notre name. And you could see how it's such
Speaker 1: an advantage. I can take that ball and I I mean,
Speaker 1: I can have you off balance in a second, and
Speaker 1: you can't put your hand on anybody. There's the physicality
Speaker 1: of just being able to man up is gone from
Speaker 1: the NBA. But you know, maybe it is too much
Speaker 1: of a good thing. But I don't think we're going
Speaker 1: to be doing anything anytime soon. I don't want a
Speaker 1: gimmick in there where we're counting the number of threes. Yes, McLevin. Also,
Speaker 1: the fouls on James Harden and Dan check are they're unwatchable,
Speaker 1: Like why do they call those little things where Pardon
Speaker 1: just throws his body into you. Yeah, And Trey Young
Speaker 1: has mastered this where he's running down the floor and
Speaker 1: then he's shooting back up into you. And Steve Kerr said,
Speaker 1: you know, you can't do that. You can't allow that.
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller, I think invented that, by the way, Yeah, McLeman.
Speaker 1: But the NSAY tournament is going to be decided by
Speaker 1: one play and one play only landing in the three
Speaker 1: point That was the only thing that That's why UVA
Speaker 1: won a title. They won like four games off that
Speaker 1: one call. Yeah, I hate that rule. Yeah. Did they
Speaker 1: do that when you were a jumpshooter back in the day,
Speaker 1: you did get a space, did you? No, they would
Speaker 1: put their foot underneath you that they wanted you When
Speaker 1: you would go up, they put their foot underneath so
Speaker 1: you were thinking about coming down and avoiding their foot.
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. But I'll talk to Mannix about this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything that can be done
Speaker 1: should be done, but you know, you're seeing the proliferation
Speaker 1: of the three point shot college in high school, even
Speaker 1: grade school as well. Eight seven seven three DP show
Speaker 1: email address DP at dan Patrick dot com, Twitter handle
Speaker 1: a dp show I did to find this story amusing
Speaker 1: this morning because it feels like the Boston Celtics are
Speaker 1: in on every possible free agent, all the big names.
Speaker 1: Danny Ainge, Oh, we just missed out on Chris Paul,
Speaker 1: Kevin Love, Jimmy Butler, Kwi Letter and Anthony Davis, Paul George.
Speaker 1: Then a story comes out that they just missed on
Speaker 1: James Harden. Here it feels like Danny Ainge wants everybody
Speaker 1: know that Danny Ainge is doing his job as a GM,
Speaker 1: that we're trying. We almost got him, Like they almost
Speaker 1: get these great players, you know who they've gotten exactly
Speaker 1: none of these players. Hey, we got Kemba Walker, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. Chris Paul, Kevin Love, Jimmy Butler, KWHI, Leonard,
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, Poulter. We oh, we almost got him. Hey,
Speaker 1: were you guys sitting on the James Harden sweet Yeah,
Speaker 1: we almost got him, almost got him. Yeah, we almost
Speaker 1: got Will Chamberlain. Now got we almost got cream Allen. Wait, Danny,
Speaker 1: you weren't there, then you almost got Tim Duncan. Oh,
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Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I love watching the three.
Speaker 1: I think it's exciting. I think it's more exciting than
Speaker 1: the dunk. And the strategies that go into this I
Speaker 1: think are really important. But I will say this, James
Speaker 1: Harden is getting credit for changing his game. James Harden
Speaker 1: is getting a lot of credit for an MVP candidate.
Speaker 1: Why he changed his game and you know why because
Speaker 1: he had to because if you look back on his
Speaker 1: game in Houston, it didn't succeed. He needed to change. Now,
Speaker 1: is there a middle ground here? Because I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the Lakers. Lakers aren't a great shooting three pointing team,
Speaker 1: a great three point shooting team. They don't shoot volume.
Speaker 1: The seventy six ers, I think at bottom of the
Speaker 1: list there Utah Jazzer first and shooting threes. What is
Speaker 1: sustainable because there is sustainability in the regular season, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't always translate into the postseason. Postseason comes down
Speaker 1: to half court basketball, in my opinion, always has always will.
Speaker 1: We're playing the same opponent, there's no tricks. It's not, hey,
Speaker 1: we got to deal with this guy one night, now
Speaker 1: we move on to another guy. It's every night we're
Speaker 1: going to be facing you, and here's our game plan.
Speaker 1: And then you see what teams are really all about,
Speaker 1: that philosophy, that game plan, does it work, and it's
Speaker 1: going to be the same this year. You taught jazz
Speaker 1: they fire threes? Okay? Is it sustainable in May or June?
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. The Nets? The Nets
Speaker 1: have mid range jumpers. I got Joe Harris and James Harden,
Speaker 1: but Kyrie kd mid range jumpers here? Is that sustainable?
Speaker 1: Do you have to play great, great defense this year? Right?
Speaker 1: You got to play great defense always? I always think
Speaker 1: you have to. Maybe the Nets they break that mold
Speaker 1: this year. You don't have to play great defense. Just
Speaker 1: play or at least give the impression you're playing some defense. Here.
Speaker 1: All I gotta do is outscore you. It's rare, but
Speaker 1: that's what the philosophy is right now. But I just
Speaker 1: saw the article and I started thinking about the three pointer.
Speaker 1: And I don't mind watching good three point shoo. It's
Speaker 1: when you watch bad three point shooters that's when it
Speaker 1: drives me crazy. Yes, McLevin. Is that why the Warriors
Speaker 1: had to add Durant for like the slower pace of
Speaker 1: the playoffs like a mid range guy. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: he's one of the great scores of all time. Durant
Speaker 1: can shoot three, can get to the hoop. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's a walking basket. But that three point style
Speaker 1: worked for them for a while, just nothing but threes.
Speaker 1: But then they didn't really I don't know if that
Speaker 1: could have won them four to three titles. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if Durant doesn't get hurt, I mean you
Speaker 1: can go down, you know, look back on that hit
Speaker 1: the wayback machine. And because they all they did was
Speaker 1: hoist threes and it worked for them to a large extent.
Speaker 1: But I have two of the greatest shooters in NBA,
Speaker 1: three of the greatest shooters in NBA history. So it's
Speaker 1: not like it's a plucky team like the Utah Jazz
Speaker 1: and you go look at them, they won the title.
Speaker 1: I got Steph Clay and Kevin Durant. Those are three
Speaker 1: of the greatest shooters in the history of the game.
Speaker 1: And I could put Clay and Staff up there as
Speaker 1: just shooters. Durant's one of the great scores in the
Speaker 1: history of the game. That's a pretty good advantage against
Speaker 1: any team there. Yeah, pulling. I don't know if this
Speaker 1: has been asked, Someone's had to ask us, would you
Speaker 1: rather have in their prime to start your super team Steph,
Speaker 1: Clay and Durant, Harden, Kyrie and Durant? Is that an
Speaker 1: easy one? Our hard one? Assume everyone's in their prime.
Speaker 1: So the Golden State Warriors three years ago to three
Speaker 1: years ago, Durant, Steph Curry, Clay Thompson or the current
Speaker 1: NETS three, and I assume everybody's healthy. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: don't know about Kyrie that I just I'm not honor
Speaker 1: off the court well just Kyrie. Yeah, I'm just not sure.
Speaker 1: It feels like Clay and Staff, there's no drama whatsoever.
Speaker 1: There was drama with Draymond and Durant because Draymond knew
Speaker 1: that KD was just stopping through to pick up a
Speaker 1: title and then he was leaving, and I think Draymond
Speaker 1: had a real problem with that. But when they were
Speaker 1: on the same page that was beautiful as beautiful basketball
Speaker 1: to watch. So I would take those three because it
Speaker 1: feels like I have two of the greatest deep shooters
Speaker 1: of all time and I have one of the top
Speaker 1: five scorers of all time. Add that, you know, put
Speaker 1: that together. If one guy's off two guys, you know,
Speaker 1: what are the odds that two guys would be off
Speaker 1: and one guy would be on. Or you had two
Speaker 1: guys who were who were on and one guy was
Speaker 1: off and you and you got a coach who was
Speaker 1: a shooter, Steve Kerr. That's all he did was shoot.
Speaker 1: But I would I would take that group Harden. We've
Speaker 1: seen in the playoffs. It's not good. He doesn't come
Speaker 1: up big in the playoffs. Yes, mc glove permission to
Speaker 1: completely annoy you with a system. Take No, it's too
Speaker 1: late now you open the door. Do you really want
Speaker 1: to do that to me, Paul, He says, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: do it. Go ahead, our Stephen Clay, Stephen Clay if
Speaker 1: they didn't play in that Warrior system. And my proof
Speaker 1: being Steph was not Steph with Bark Jackson as a coach.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you can judge them independently
Speaker 1: of each other in a way. Well, Steph had the
Speaker 1: ankle injury first couple of years. True, all right, Clay
Speaker 1: grew up right before our very eyes. Is a great shooter.
Speaker 1: If I put Clay in today's NBA, Clay Thompson could
Speaker 1: be even better if he was out of Golden State.
Speaker 1: From the standpoint of he wouldn't share the bat he
Speaker 1: would get. He would he would be averaging, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty eight points a game. But what if the Timberwolves
Speaker 1: had listened to you and taken Steph instead of Johnny
Speaker 1: Flint or whatever it was. And it's a chance Steph
Speaker 1: might not have developed the same way. That is fair.
Speaker 1: But do I think he would still be great and
Speaker 1: All Star? Yes? I do. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: down through history, look at the players. You know, Let's
Speaker 1: say Bill Russell didn't end up in Boston. If Bill
Speaker 1: Russell ended up with the Cincinnati Royals, Hey not Bill Russell?
Speaker 1: Or is he that's why when you saw him play?
Speaker 1: Like was he that? But he's known as a winner?
Speaker 1: That he was not? He would he was had eight
Speaker 1: Hall of Famers in the lineup. If the Bears drafted
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, like you have a perfect situation for greatness
Speaker 1: down through history. I mean, look at it. Kurt Warner
Speaker 1: doesn't get the chance to play. When Trent Green goes down,
Speaker 1: he gets the chance to play. And then we saw
Speaker 1: that there was something. So what if Trent Green doesn't
Speaker 1: get hurt? What if Drew Bledsoe does not get hit?
Speaker 1: Like all of these what ifs and careers that hinged
Speaker 1: upon that. What if Belichick's days with the Jets? What
Speaker 1: if Belichick and Sabans stay with the Browns? Like it's
Speaker 1: just crazy that, you know, when you start to think
Speaker 1: about it, there is a lot of luck that goes
Speaker 1: into these these great careers, whether it's coaching. What if
Speaker 1: what if Nick Saban stayed with the Dolphins? What if
Speaker 1: Alabama wasn't open? Like, it's just it's littered with all
Speaker 1: of this. It's crazy. Yeah, mclovin, I guess my Yeah.
Speaker 1: My point is that Hardened, Kyrie and Kevin Durant might
Speaker 1: be more individually talented, but when the three of those
Speaker 1: guys were humming in Golden State, it was like a
Speaker 1: greater triumvirate. If it does that make sense? Yeah, But
Speaker 1: imagine like the Lakers won the coin toss with magic Johnson.
Speaker 1: What are we talking about if the Celtics had gotten
Speaker 1: Tim Duggett, Yeah, yeah, but Magic was going to go
Speaker 1: to the Bulls. So it's a coin toss like that.
Speaker 1: That's how crazy all of this is. But then once
Speaker 1: you got him, what you did with him, then you
Speaker 1: got showtime. What if Portland had taken Jordan? Would that?
Speaker 1: I see? That's that's why it's just history is littered
Speaker 1: with that. That's why when you always say, well, it's
Speaker 1: system quarterback, there's a lot that goes into that. And
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning could have gone to the Chargers if the
Speaker 1: Colts took Ryan Leaf, right, and Ryan Leaf no, I
Speaker 1: don't know, Hey, until it would have been successful. Probably
Speaker 1: he would have been successful. But they always say that
Speaker 1: Chargers the organization was a mess. Yes it was, Yes
Speaker 1: it was. But the NBA starts in second half in
Speaker 1: earnest tonight. I don't know what that means. Mclovin in
Speaker 1: earnest I always hear that, No, how about the NBA
Speaker 1: just started second half tonight? Yes, time? And is it
Speaker 1: insulting to like those couple of games that were played
Speaker 1: last night? You know in earnest it means the majority
Speaker 1: of the schedule. But if I'm the Grizzlies of Spurs
Speaker 1: or something like that, hey, we're important too. We just
Speaker 1: happened to be one of two games from West night
Speaker 1: in Earnest. Where is Ernest? By the way that guy
Speaker 1: Ernest goes to Cambra? Is there is there a town
Speaker 1: called Ernest? Remember when they changed Montana Joe Montana? That
Speaker 1: that city they named it Joe Montana. Where's is there
Speaker 1: an Earnest? By way? I heard it? Yes, Sorry, some
Speaker 1: NFL free agent was tendered again that I had laughed at,
Speaker 1: Like what other sport do we use the word tender?
Speaker 1: He was tendered? I mean it sounds so nice. By
Speaker 1: the way, I gotta play some of Jerry Jones's comments
Speaker 1: from the press conference yesterday. Oh it was priceless. Yes, boy,
Speaker 1: there was an Ernest Pennsylvania and Ernest Georgia. That's the
Speaker 1: only ones in America. Imagine if Elway had gone to
Speaker 1: the Colts or Elway had gone played for the Yankees. Right,
Speaker 1: history is you know, rewritten with all of these moments.
Speaker 1: That'd be a good podcast, like imagining all those differences
Speaker 1: in there. I've brought that up before. I wanted somebody
Speaker 1: to do the heavy lifting, so I could just take
Speaker 1: the cliff notes of what they came up with. But
Speaker 1: what if, like you just did a what if podcast
Speaker 1: or column kind of like a sliding door. Has you
Speaker 1: ever seen that movie the rom com with Gwyneth Paltrow?
Speaker 1: Did I just lose our man card for the day?
Speaker 1: Sliding Doors? Like, if she went this way, her life
Speaker 1: went that's way. If she went that way, her life
Speaker 1: went out. It's a great rom com. Well, I did
Speaker 1: wonder that. You know, when you take a job or
Speaker 1: you help somebody get a job. I have broadcasting students
Speaker 1: and you help them get a job someplace, and then
Speaker 1: they might meet somebody in that job that turns out
Speaker 1: to be their wife or their husband. Like what school
Speaker 1: you go to and you meet somebody there and because
Speaker 1: you went there, or you took a job and you
Speaker 1: didn't think you were going to get that job, or
Speaker 1: you missed out on a job like just it's so
Speaker 1: it's weird. I believe in fate, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of luck that goes into this. Yes, Polly, I was
Speaker 1: bartending in New York, spinning my wheels doing nothing in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties, and I worked late because some other
Speaker 1: guy wanted to leave early bartending, and I met a
Speaker 1: dude who worked at three in the morning for CBS
Speaker 1: Sports and we started talking and he goes, yeah, we
Speaker 1: have an opening for like a researcher on the NFL
Speaker 1: Today shows, like oh, I would love to be part
Speaker 1: of that, and they end up bringing me in. I
Speaker 1: always think to myself, if I didn't work late that night,
Speaker 1: do I meet that dude? Do I get a job
Speaker 1: at CBS Sports? Yeah, it's wild if I didn't miss
Speaker 1: out on the job in Dayton, Ohio. And then I
Speaker 1: want to feel sorry for myself. And I went to
Speaker 1: see an ext girlfriend in Atlanta and the last day
Speaker 1: I'm there, I took a tape into CNN and then
Speaker 1: got hired that day at CNN. If I don't if
Speaker 1: she says, hey, just they're hiring at CNN. I go
Speaker 1: to Atlanta last day and I have my audition tape
Speaker 1: and I'm going I'm not I can't get a job
Speaker 1: at CNN, And I went in got a job. A
Speaker 1: week later, I'm doing headline sports at CNA. Yes, do
Speaker 1: you remember there was another guy who is going to
Speaker 1: do what I did for SI Right before we were starting,
Speaker 1: Mark Bechtel. I'll say the nays, but he got some
Speaker 1: book project with the Daytona five. They're like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: parlof you're up. Otherwise this whole thing, for me, we
Speaker 1: never would have happened. It was just like a stroke
Speaker 1: of luck. Damn, I gotta blame sorry about that. I
Speaker 1: can remember the day we met mcloven at Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 1: We were there and mcloven, you were goofy. You were
Speaker 1: kind of like jittery and and talking really fast and
Speaker 1: your arms are flailing in the air when you were talking.
Speaker 1: And Dan didn't remember your name. When you walked out
Speaker 1: of the room, he goes, he know that one guy.
Speaker 1: He's he's got something. And that was the entire discussion,
Speaker 1: and then it kind of morphed into something that's not
Speaker 1: what happened. That is partially what happened. I was suave
Speaker 1: and cool. No, you were not. You were not. You
Speaker 1: were whacky. Get out of here. You were. You don't
Speaker 1: remember that day up, I'm not making it up. I
Speaker 1: can remember its specifically. It was the same day because
Speaker 1: while we're waiting for you to be in the room,
Speaker 1: Rick Riley called in to quit Sports Illustrated and we
Speaker 1: were in the room of the Heads Illustrated while Rick
Speaker 1: Riley's calling in the quit. Dan and I are sitting
Speaker 1: there in the room listening to the phone call. That
Speaker 1: is true. They put they put Rick Riley's call on speed,
Speaker 1: and I'm listening to Rick Riley saying he's quitting Sports
Speaker 1: Illustrator to go to the mothership. And then and then
Speaker 1: I met you right after that talk about sliding doors.
Speaker 1: By way, Rick Riley goes to ESPN and you go
Speaker 1: to Sports Illustrator. Look, everything happened. There wasn't exactly a
Speaker 1: trade because that ESPN didn't do well in that trade,
Speaker 1: but it was presented that way. Oh, Riley for Patrick
Speaker 1: and I went, Nah, that ain't true. That was like
Speaker 1: Joe Barry Carroll for Kevin Mcalan Robert Parris. Wow. I
Speaker 1: did help Riley with that trend. You know, he wanted
Speaker 1: to know about ESPN and I did help him with that.
Speaker 1: And that's I did warn him, you know, and I said,
Speaker 1: know what you're going into. And you know Riles wanted
Speaker 1: to be a TV guy and he was tired of
Speaker 1: writing column Sports Illustrator. Wow, how did we get here?
Speaker 1: We got we got a little deep there all right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. Chris Mannox will join us. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about too much of a good thing with the
Speaker 1: three point proliferation, as they like to say, a few
Speaker 1: other things with Mannix coming up. Doug Gottlie will stop
Speaker 1: by if if Duke looks like they're on the doorstep.
Speaker 1: If Duke beats Florida State next game, Duke's in the tournament,
Speaker 1: I think, and Mark Few, the Gonzaga head coach, will
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Speaker 1: the good three point whole question? Polly has his idea
Speaker 1: that what if you make it worth two and a
Speaker 1: half points? Oh no, no problem solved. No, problem solved
Speaker 1: analytic beginning of the problem. No, No, the two and
Speaker 1: a half point shot would take over the NBA. It
Speaker 1: would devalue that shot enough, but it'd still make people
Speaker 1: shoot it. And then twos would be more in play,
Speaker 1: but not. It wouldn't be like a you know, a
Speaker 1: street fight down for twos, but you could win like
Speaker 1: one thirty two and a half to one twenty nine.
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Speaker 1: he commended, hardened from two and a half. Couldn't well,
Speaker 1: not in the playoffs. It wouldn't be um, that's cold.
Speaker 1: Chris Mannox he's a senior writer covering the NBA for
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated, joining us on the program NBA shut down
Speaker 1: a year ago on this day. What do you remember
Speaker 1: about that? I remember being relieved from minute because I
Speaker 1: had been scheduled to do back to back Celtics games
Speaker 1: for local TV there. I just finished writing a story.
Speaker 1: I was exhausted, and I remember thinking like, great, you
Speaker 1: know this would be like a week, a couple of
Speaker 1: days off, I can get back into the flow after
Speaker 1: kind of a mini vacation. Didn't turn out that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when it first happened, and I remember Paul text me,
Speaker 1: he said, turn on ESPN, And I turned on ESPN
Speaker 1: and it wasn't like eleven o'clock at night to watch
Speaker 1: Sports Center. It was eight o'clock and you're going, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, what's going on on ESPN? Oh, they got
Speaker 1: a basketball game. No, they're supposed to have a basketball game.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, it was basically Oklahoma
Speaker 1: City drive home safely. And then you realized, Okay, what's
Speaker 1: this mean? And who would have thought? You know that
Speaker 1: Sacramento later on they had to tell that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, there's contact tracing with these officials, and
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty incredible what happened, what happened quickly
Speaker 1: with the NBA, and then everybody else sort of followed suit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was when you look back on it now, it
Speaker 1: was remarkable. I remember I think it was the Hawks
Speaker 1: game that turned out to be Vince Carter's last game
Speaker 1: of his career there, and I remember kind of wondering, like,
Speaker 1: you know what are you guys doing Why are you
Speaker 1: even finishing this game? I mean, like you know, the
Speaker 1: whole referee thing you were talking about, you just wondered
Speaker 1: why everybody didn't just stop short right there and ended.
Speaker 1: But I think that goes to show that back then,
Speaker 1: nobody believed that this was going to have the kind
Speaker 1: of impact on the season that it had. I remember,
Speaker 1: for talking to coaches executives in the days that followed,
Speaker 1: all of them had said, look, it's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: about a week for this thing to settle down. Then
Speaker 1: we'll come back in empty arenas. There was an acceptance
Speaker 1: that they'd be back in limited to no capacity at arenas,
Speaker 1: but no comprehension that this could wind up shutting the
Speaker 1: league down until they could go into a bus. And
Speaker 1: remember Lebron said that he's not playing if there's no
Speaker 1: fans in the stands, and that was I was in
Speaker 1: LA for that, and somebody asked that he was kind
Speaker 1: of walked into that a little bit, where, yeah, he was,
Speaker 1: he didn't know about all the things that were going
Speaker 1: on in that moment. When the NBA said that he's
Speaker 1: you know, of course he responds, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: playing without fans. I play for the fans. Well, that
Speaker 1: obviously changed very quickly as as the reality of the
Speaker 1: situation kind of set in. You know, you look back
Speaker 1: on the bubble and we didn't know it was going
Speaker 1: to work, and you know, you had some players who
Speaker 1: were adversely affected by it. But I still maintain what
Speaker 1: Lebron and the Lakers pulled off is as memorable and
Speaker 1: as difficult as any team has gone through with no
Speaker 1: home court advantage, there a sterile environment. Have we given
Speaker 1: the Lakers enough credit for what they pulled off in
Speaker 1: winning that championship? I think we have. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: a tough person to talk to about the challenges of
Speaker 1: the bubble den because sitting in a hotel room eating
Speaker 1: Buffalo wings is not all that abnormal for my day
Speaker 1: to day life. So it's it really is, like I
Speaker 1: kind of say that, I mean, I sympathize with people
Speaker 1: that have families and are away from them. That's just
Speaker 1: not me. And so if you like tell me that
Speaker 1: I can get wings twenty four hours a day like
Speaker 1: I'm and there's a never ending supply of pandy in
Speaker 1: the mess hall, like I don't. I don't really do
Speaker 1: all that, But you could see it. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you're in that bubble, and I was in it for
Speaker 1: two plus months, you can see the mental wear and
Speaker 1: tear it takes on players in real time. From the
Speaker 1: first week where everybody's kind of like, all right, we
Speaker 1: can do this, we can hang by the pool, no
Speaker 1: big deal to like the second month, when you see
Speaker 1: these guys walking to the dining hall, just trudging heads down,
Speaker 1: not a lot of conversation amongst each other, sitting down,
Speaker 1: getting through a meal, and then going back to the room.
Speaker 1: It obviously had an enormous mental toll taken on these guys.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where you rank it among the
Speaker 1: most difficult things the NBA team has done to win
Speaker 1: a championship. But it's up there to be able to
Speaker 1: go three plus months and win a title. Chris Mannox,
Speaker 1: the Sports Illustrated senior NBA rider joining US, I saw
Speaker 1: an article a column, and it had to do with
Speaker 1: ESPN speaking to some several prominent figures around the NBA,
Speaker 1: and that there was a radical proposal that maybe you
Speaker 1: could limit the number of threes you attempt in a game.
Speaker 1: Let's say it was first half, you got to attempt
Speaker 1: twenty second half twenty and then after that everything counts
Speaker 1: as two until the final six minutes of the game.
Speaker 1: Are we getting to the point is it too much
Speaker 1: of a good thing that what the three pointer means
Speaker 1: to the NBA? Right now, we're not getting to that point.
Speaker 1: You can't put the genie back in the bottle. And
Speaker 1: this is what the NBA wanted twenty plus years ago,
Speaker 1: when the ratings were starting to dip the physicality of
Speaker 1: the game was causing too many low scoring games. You
Speaker 1: remember that time, Dan, you know, David Stern and NBA brass.
Speaker 1: I mean, they wanted what we're seeing right now, a
Speaker 1: free flowing game, a lot of three point shots. Maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't want it at the level that we're seeing
Speaker 1: where teams are just reflexively shooting thirty five forty three
Speaker 1: points per games, sometimes more. But this is the tradeoff.
Speaker 1: This is what you get. The idea that they're going
Speaker 1: to limit three pointers in a game is just it's
Speaker 1: as likely as them ultimately instituting the four point shot,
Speaker 1: which was kind of a running joke, you know, ten
Speaker 1: or fifteen years ago. You're you're gonna have to deal
Speaker 1: with the fall up because this has helped grow the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the most popular players in the game,
Speaker 1: the most emulated players in the game. It begins with
Speaker 1: Steph Curry and it goes down to all these three
Speaker 1: point shooters that have helped make the game as popular
Speaker 1: as it is today. It just is what it is. Dan,
Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to change what the
Speaker 1: NBA has become. But is there a really good team
Speaker 1: who doesn't rely on the three pointer as much as
Speaker 1: everybody else does? I mean, there are teams that do
Speaker 1: it at a supersized level. I don't have the numbers
Speaker 1: in front of me on which team ranks towards the bottom,
Speaker 1: but every team is gonna jack them up at a
Speaker 1: high level, especially in the fourth quarter. I mean, look, Dan,
Speaker 1: coaches in the NBA, every coach, this is what they teach.
Speaker 1: The best shots are layups, dunks, and three pointers. The
Speaker 1: way that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant played the game,
Speaker 1: every coach would try to dissuade them of that. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: they don't want mid range jumpers, they don't want turnaround
Speaker 1: post shots because they have been deemed inefficient. Layups, free throws, threes.
Speaker 1: That is all every coach wants from their team. You know,
Speaker 1: you might see some numbers dip here and there from
Speaker 1: one team to another, but by and large that's the philosophy. Well,
Speaker 1: I got Utah's the number one three point shooting team
Speaker 1: in the NBA. The Sixers are the lowest. The Lakers
Speaker 1: are in the bottom five as well. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that changes when we get to the postseason
Speaker 1: or later in the season. But you know, do you
Speaker 1: have to be jacking them up? And are you all
Speaker 1: in on Utah being a team to beat or you know,
Speaker 1: one of the teams to beat. I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to be jacking them up to be a championship team,
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about the Lakers and Sixers, who
Speaker 1: are both at least can be elite defensive teams with
Speaker 1: the personnel that they have. So if you can be
Speaker 1: great on that end, you're fine. I am buying the
Speaker 1: Jazz as a serious threat twitter championship because I was
Speaker 1: going through this over the All Star break. There's really
Speaker 1: nothing the Jazz do that you look at and say
Speaker 1: that's not sustainable. You've got Mitchell playing at a high level,
Speaker 1: which is a natural progression of his game. Mike Conley
Speaker 1: was not great last year. But this is the Mike
Speaker 1: Conley Dan that we've seen for most of his career,
Speaker 1: the guy that we saw playing so well in Memphis.
Speaker 1: Gobert to me is a sneaky MVP candidate. I mean
Speaker 1: he has become such a presence offensively with his screen
Speaker 1: setting that he's a real impact player on that end
Speaker 1: of the floor without shooting the three. They've been an
Speaker 1: elite defensive team during Quinn Snyder's time there. Certainly when
Speaker 1: you get into the playoffs, I want to see if
Speaker 1: Mitchell can make plays, if Conley can make plays end
Speaker 1: of game situations. But right now, like the only question
Speaker 1: you have is can like Jordan Clarkson continue to be
Speaker 1: the sixth Man of the Year type of player or
Speaker 1: does he revert to being an inconsistent gunner. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sold on what the Jazz are. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I can't give Rudy Gobert or MVP credit if he
Speaker 1: sets nice screens. Chris, of course you can. No, I can't.
Speaker 1: Why can you imagine that? Where you're going? What did
Speaker 1: he do so well? Man? Can he? Okay? Okay, now
Speaker 1: now you're now you're twisting words here, like it's not
Speaker 1: it's not he's just this great screen center. He's also
Speaker 1: the most intimiding defensive presence the league has. Seems it's
Speaker 1: a tumbo, so like that's a big factor in all this.
Speaker 1: But offensively, you ask those Jazz players and I've done this,
Speaker 1: like you know, what's what's Gobert's influence And he just
Speaker 1: sets some bone crushing screens that freeze up these guys
Speaker 1: as an impact. Okay, Like he's never gonna be a
Speaker 1: three point shooter Dan, that's obvious, but if he can
Speaker 1: be a massive screen center, that'll impact the offense. The
Speaker 1: Lakers can't win a title without Ad. Can the Nets
Speaker 1: win a title without KD No, neither. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Lakers, frankly can win a title without Dennis Shrewder
Speaker 1: for that matter. But that's a conversation for another time.
Speaker 1: And he's been that impactful for them. Um, Look, the
Speaker 1: Nets are going to test the theory if that that
Speaker 1: you need to be a top tennis defensive team to
Speaker 1: win a championship. They're not going to be that type
Speaker 1: of team no matter how many guys they sign off
Speaker 1: the street in the next couple of weeks. But because
Speaker 1: they're so dynamic, offensively at full strength. Because they've got
Speaker 1: three guys, which is almost unpressed in three guys that
Speaker 1: can take over a game in the fourth quarter. They
Speaker 1: can get away with being a middle of the pack
Speaker 1: or worse defensive team. But without Durance, without him being
Speaker 1: completely healthy, there's too many good teams in the Eastern Conference.
Speaker 1: I think that can knock them off. Great to talk
Speaker 1: to you again, Chris. I hope you're well. I thought
Speaker 1: you'd appreciate screen set like you know, kind of a
Speaker 1: grinder in your day, I know, but I just I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's nice. I mean I didn't set screens. I
Speaker 1: was a shooter, so right, but you went around them, right,
Speaker 1: so you knew the value of a screen. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: you know it wasn't you know, one of those things
Speaker 1: where I said, gosh, you know that guy, he's more
Speaker 1: valuable than I am. It didn't matter if they were
Speaker 1: setting screens are not for me. I mean, okay, next
Speaker 1: time you have Reggie miller on, ask him that question.
Speaker 1: He didn't need screens. He just ran all day. Well,
Speaker 1: you don't just run without getting a screen set for you.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. The reasons and you're running is you're kind
Speaker 1: of trying to rub guys off screens and Reggie had,
Speaker 1: by the way, two of the better ones in the
Speaker 1: Davis twins Antonio and Dale, who just set rocking screens.
Speaker 1: They weren't twins. I know it's they were called that though.
Speaker 1: With that's I know there weren't twins. I just think
Speaker 1: you hate the French. I don't. I don't hate the French.
Speaker 1: I love Tony Parker, just him, Yes, just Rudy and
Speaker 1: the Gobears. I love. I love Rudy. Got it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to tune into the next Jazz game just to
Speaker 1: watch him said screens. God, I'm telling you must see TV.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. Thank you, Chris, you got a
Speaker 1: div Chris Mannox Sports Illustrated senior basketball writer and a
Speaker 1: man who loves a good screen. Take a break. Play
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Speaker 1: We've been wondering about fate and luck and how that
Speaker 1: could have changed sports history. When you think about it,
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Speaker 1: that game against the Jets, when does Tom Brady get
Speaker 1: his chance? What if the Saints had drafted Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and he had to sit behind Drew Brees for a
Speaker 1: couple of years. All these what ifs. The Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Buccaneers held the number one overall pick I believe this
Speaker 1: is nineteen to eighty six or eighty seven. Paulie can
Speaker 1: help me out on that. They decided to take Bo Jackson. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: there was a slight problem. He told that Buccaneers don't
Speaker 1: draft me. He refused to play for Tampa because he
Speaker 1: visited the team facilities and that was in the spring.
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Speaker 1: convince Bo to just play football for the Buccaneers. He
Speaker 1: obviously never played for the Buccaneers. Selected by the Kansas
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Speaker 1: and then he was selected or then his rights were
Speaker 1: traded to the Raiders, I believe after that, I think
Speaker 1: at eighty seven draft, the Raiders took him late in
Speaker 1: the draft and worked out some type of deal where
Speaker 1: they took over his rights from Tampa. Yeah, the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Falcons had the second pick of that draft. Imagine if
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons, a Southern team, acquired Bo Jackson in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six. Now, I mean he was a household name,
Speaker 1: yeah at nineteen, and he you know, playing both sports
Speaker 1: there and he was great at both, but he would
Speaker 1: have been a Hall of Famer in either one, I
Speaker 1: think had he decided to just concentrate on that sport.
Speaker 1: But you know, Bono's Sports one of the great ad
Speaker 1: campaigns in history. Mclub And what's the poll question today? Well,
Speaker 1: we started out with are there too many three pointers
Speaker 1: in the NBA? And sixty four percent said yes. So
Speaker 1: that means we have to address us. We have to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I don't know if we do. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the ratings are or what attendance will
Speaker 1: be once we're allowed to have fans that come back.
Speaker 1: Is it bad basketball? Is it entertaining basketball? You know,
Speaker 1: scoring is up? We love scoring. This is what the NBA.
Speaker 1: This is what every league is trying to do. Have
Speaker 1: more scoring, more offense. It's like the home run. Is
Speaker 1: the three pointer? Like the home run in baseball that
Speaker 1: you have guys with launch angle, they go up there.
Speaker 1: This is all they're trying to do in the NBA.
Speaker 1: You've got guys they want to shoot. Everybody want to
Speaker 1: shoot the three. What are you tired of? More home
Speaker 1: runs or three pointers? Because home runs go up every year,
Speaker 1: they break the single season record every year. Now three
Speaker 1: pointers every year break the record. Yeah, MC club passing
Speaker 1: yards and touchdowns too. Yeah. Same in NFL. It feels
Speaker 1: like we're okay with that. It still feels like that's
Speaker 1: difficult to do and you don't have ordinary people doing
Speaker 1: extraordinary things. It's the elite, you know, are able to
Speaker 1: do this, whereas in baseball you go, lady, that guy's
Speaker 1: got how many home runs? Or that guy is a
Speaker 1: great three point shooter. It feels like it's a little
Speaker 1: more random when it comes to baseball and even shooting
Speaker 1: three pointers than it is. You know, that guy has
Speaker 1: nineteen touchdown receptions or that guy's thrown for forty two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll get phone calls coming up next hour.
Speaker 1: We will check him with Doug Gottlieb. Is there a
Speaker 1: chance that Duke is going to get into the tournament
Speaker 1: with a win against Florida State? Feels like that feels
Speaker 1: like that. But if you're Kentucky, would you go to
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Speaker 1: do you want Duke to be in a tournament? Yeah?
Speaker 1: But you know some people hate Duke. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like a bit of a historical ducat. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you hate him, you want him in so you
Speaker 1: see them lose. Make him a sixteen seed. That's what
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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones coming up next down. Jerry did not disappoint
Speaker 1: because I thought, hey, if you did such a great
Speaker 1: job with Dak, you got to be taking a victory lap.
Speaker 1: Need not taking a victory lap, or at least a
Speaker 1: victory lap that you thought he would be taken. But
Speaker 1: we'll hear from Dak Prescott and Jerry Jones after that
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